>haha he plays video games for story! haha *tips fedora* >MGS

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>game's only goal is to tell you a story
>story is shit
>this isn't enough a reason to say the game is shit
kill yourself my man

I pick the option that realizes there is more than one person on /v/
kill yourself OP

So you go to an American football game. I dunno why. All kinds of weird stuff happens in hypothetical situations. Just go with it.

The NFL has decided they want to give the sport a bit of highbrow class, so they’re having players come out to enact random scenes from Shakespeare’s plays. It’s terrible. Everyone is wearing mouth guards, so you can barely understand what anyone is saying. Since it’s just a bunch of random scenes there’s no sense of investment or drama. And since the actors are football players, the acting is pretty much intolerable. Half the guys are punch drunk and can’t even remember their lines.

The crowd either boos or sits in stony silence during these scenes, but the coaches don’t give up. Every 15 minutes the game stops and you have to endure more mangled Shakespeare.

At half time you’re talking about this with a friend, shaking your heads and wondering why the NFL went to all the trouble. Then a guy a few seats back starts yelling at you. He’s a burly guy in facepaint and a team jersey. He’s gesturing at you with his ten dollar beer and shouting, “Dude! Who cares if it’s good? Football has never been about the story! Just shut up and watch the game!”

>>383487597
I think it depends on the series, MGSV having a terrible narrative and characters was particularly bad because that's one of the best parts of the series.

Only gameplay matters, you have to be a fucking neo-/v/ faggot to care about story at all.

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>>383487870
The only MGS game with a good story was 1.

>>383487841
yup, that was fucking retarded but I'm guessing its pasta.

Story is a motivation to play a game with a shit gameplay. There is no reason to play a turn based game if the story suck.

gameplay faggots have become just as obnoxious if not more so than story fags

>>383487841
Shamus wants his analogy back.

>>383488192
Kill yourself, cuck.

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>>383488640
I've been stealing his paragraphs for years and he's only just now seeing the ancient ones, he can't stop me.

>>383487597
/v/ became one person?

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>>383487597
Having fun with your straw men, dipshit?

>>383487943
What an ironic post

>>383487728
/thread

MGSV is shit because it's half baked and unfinished.

Shitting on it because the game abruptly ends right in the middle of the story's second act is fair criticism. Especially when the missions in the latter half of the game are copy pasted filler from a gameplay perspective, made even worse by the lack of narrative drive to complete theme.

>>383487597
Fallout 4 was shit for a lot more reasons than the bad story.

>>383488098
The article he copied it from was complaining about how badly diablo 3's story was shoehorned into the middle of the gameplay, it doesn't work as well when complaining about games as a whole.

>>383489276
The broader point is still "if you're not going to make a good story then don't put a story in at all"

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Burnout 3 had pretty much no story
I can't understand why people like this garbage

Pretend you are a person who has been told that, by pressing these buttons in a certain combination, you will give you a really tasty treat that you can consume. You gladly press the buttons in the combination, but the treat you get is pretty disgusting. It's nothing like the treat you were promised, which is disappointing.

Does the shitty treat retroactively make the button-pressing less enjoyable?

>>383487597
I just pick whatever is the most controversial opinion and just roll with it

Anyone who actually believes in the first one is a moron. Trying to generalize every video game ever like that is just nonsense, and overly reductionist.

The term "video games" is becoming a broader definition than it once was, so people are bound to have different opinion on what it stands for currently and everyone is gonna have their own opinion.
Should photography only exist to record actual events? Should film? Is the genre of fiction wrong to exist?
I'm sure people have argued about this back then. A medium has to evolve to include more under its wings, it's alright that you love the things that came before, but it's not a valid reason for you to restrain it to your own likings. That's selfish.

>>383487597
Neil Druckmann had a good tweet about this, every once in a while someone comes along and says how all games should always be and they're always wrong

>>383489385
>The broader point is still "if you're not going to make a good story then don't put a story in at all"
I think that's a fair criticism. Or maybe more broadly "only put in as much story as you need to carry the game". Less is more, and all that.

If you're making an RPG, sure, go story heavy. Obviously. That's what people are coming out to see. If you're making a mindless actioner, then keep it lightweight and off to the sides. Kojima's probably a bad example though, because squeezing in more fluff than anybody wants or needs is kinda his hallmark.

Of course, the best games manage to actually give you a ton of story, but do it organically without stopping the game. Half-life springs to mind - you get a ton of background, but the game never stops and dumps exposition on you... it's there if you want to look for it though. Dark Souls did something similar.

>>383489385
The whole thing was a lead-in to complaints about that specific game, the general point being that Diablo 2's story wasn't "good" in the traditional sense, but it did it's job by setting the tone really well and then got the hell out of the way, while Diablo 3 was constantly shoving shit in your face.

The analogy is kinda retarded when applied to games as a whole, since the story of some games is a big point of it, as opposed to D3.

>>383490070
>since the story of some games is a big point of it

If the big point of it is to dump a huge steaming turd into the player's face, then maybe choose a different point to begin with or hey maybe you're just bad at making games and should stop forever.

>>383489848
The discussion about whether fictional film should be allowed to exist was a pretty major one at the start of the XXth century. Ironically the documentalist side was fueled by literal Jews in charge of news companies who wanted the new media toy to stay an exclusive way to make money, while fictional cinema was regarded as some shit-tier lolrandom wankery from a bunch of unprofessional undertrained shitters (protip: they were only undertrained because kikes hoarded the overpriced equipment and gave no training to anyone who wasn't their 9 to 5 wageslave). Shit like that happens all the time, because art and media is a boiling pot of idiots trying to make a quick buck and even bigger idiots who think those idiots are cool/smart/sexually attractive enough to defend them.

>>383489920
>caring about what Cuckmann says
Kill yourself.

>>383487728
>game's only goal is to tell you a story

You play games for fun, if you want to experience story read a book or go to cinema.

>>383490421
fuck off Reggie

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Great story helps bad gamplay
Great gameplay helps bad story

Bad story plus bad gamplay=awful game(unless you're a child)
Good story plus good gameplay=amazing game

>>383490508
But MGS V has best gameplay in entire series.

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>>383490421
I'll take nonsensical and overly reductionist arguments for $1000, Alex!

>>383490504
>>383490684
Oh god, has reddit invaded us?

>>383490669
No it doesn't. That honour goes to 3.

>>383490508
>Great story helps bad gamplay
Only if you're Jennifer Hepler and turn the difficulty down to babby.

>Great gameplay helps bad story
Bad story actively disincentivises gamplay, if you're forced to stop playing and endure nails on a chalkboard then you just turn the game off and play something which doesn't brazenly punish you for daring to play.

No story at all is preferable to bad story: the players aren't getting splints hammered under their fingernails and the developer isn't wasting time and money on something which only harms their product.

Nobody wants a version of Geometry Wars that plays a clip of Birdemic every thirty seconds.

>>383490147
I'm not sure if you're retarded or are trying to miss the point on purpose to act retarded. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and explain it more clearly. The "Shakespeare play in the middle of a football game" doesn't work for a lot of games because the story is often something you play the game for, even if not exclusively for it. No one would give a fucking SHIT about games like Fallout, Portal, or Deus Ex if it wasn't for their story. It's an integral part of many games that would be worth far less if you stripped all of the characters/plot/worldbuilding out.

>>383490879
MGS3 is linear and overrated. MGS V provides you with shitload of tools and two giant playgrounds.

>>383487597
Best thing about games is that there is something for everyone, being challenged, having fun, being creative, learning something, working out, relaxing, making money, dancing, getting lost in a story, socialising, killing time and fuck loads more.

The diversity of games available to us should be celebrated. And if you are not happy with the fact that most people can find some sort of enjoyment out of games your a sad sad person.

>>383487597
I dont know about MGS, but F4 had much more issues than just story

>>383491031
wow two giant playgrounds of nothing wow

openworldfags are cancer

>>383491006
Your argument only makes sense when you ignore the bad fallouts.

The bad fallouts are bad exactly because their characters, plot and worldbuilding are bad at best and frustrating nonsense at worst.
They are poopy caca that should not have bothered exist.

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>>383490292
I still remember as a kid reading horrible science books and thinking the early filmmakers are just fucking around with a camera and nothing more.

Why is conveying a feeling/a message to someone this hard?

>>383490797
If you want to prove your point, at least make a real argument about it, faggot.

>>383491197
What are you talking about? I assume you are jesting? You are not fond of collecting herbs and animals?

>>383487597
The thing is. MGSV's story was REALLY bad. But it was not the only bad thing about it, and you know it.

>>383487778
I hate you these shitty autopilot these shitty copy/paste posts out. May as well be a chinese shitposting bot.

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>>383487597
MGSV and fallout 4 aren't shitty because their stories are bad. They're shitty because they fucking suck shit.

There are certain aspects of an RPG that are more important than just the main plot or story. Fallout 4 neglects the elements that make a good RPG, so no, it isn't shit just because the story is shit.

>>383491218
Probably should have made it clear that I was specifically talking about the original Fallout, but that furthers my point about the story being important to how people enjoy certain games.

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I feel like a lot of gamplayfags equates gameplay with combat, which is not true. Influencing companions in Kotor 2 in order to turn them to dark/light side is also part of the gameplay. Just like roleplaying in crpgs.

The funny thing about these games like MGS is, when you first play them, they're kind of cool and a lot of fun.
But when you start to replay them (over and over, because why not?), you keep having to skip these cut scenes.
I remember in MGS2, you could barely walk 5 meters without a codec call or a cutscene interrupting the gameplay. Same in MGS4.
MGS3 and MGSV are easily the most tolerable in that regard, and have the highest replay value.
But in MGS3, at some point you start to wonder what the whole point of the story is.
Volgin was literally surrounded by spies. Eva, Ocelot, The Boss, Granin. Some fan theories say that Raikov was a spy too (his first name Ivan is pronounced like Eva-n, suggesting that he was the original male nsa codebreaker named Eva).
There was no point in any of this bullshit, when all of the spies could have just ganged up on Volgin and killed him right from the beginning.

>>383491938
Oh god, this. Fucking combatfags need to go to hell.
>exploration is not gameplay
None of those fuckers has enough skills to finish even something as combat-oriented as Contra, let alone the hell of Metal Slug, but no, only combat is gameplay
Fuck you if you think like that

>>383487728
CSGO HAS MUCH STORY

>>383491627
this
also
the shit story directly railroaded players into playing a certain path and with a certain immutable predetermined morality that is contrary to past fallout games and also contrary to RPG conventions as a whole. it's a big picture thing.

Speaking of mgsv, am I the only one who thought peace walker was better? A damn psp game

>>383492212
lol its true buddy

exploration music and story are just icing

I look at it like if the gameplay is great, a good story is icing on the cake. If the gameplay is mediocre, a good story can save a game, though.

>>383492493
Back to overwatch with ye

>>383487597
I play some vidya (like Half-Life 2) for story and some just for keks (like Fallout 4). Dunno what part of your autistic brain makes you unable to understand that you can get different types of enjoyment from the same thing.

>>383487597

MGSV is shit because japan is pitifully out of touch.
its just a grab bag of random dumb shit + half assed environment

>>383492619
that game is garbage

>>383492212
hey have you heard of dark souls liek literally dark souls every game should be like dark souls

>>383493526
>exploration=dark souls
besides this being a fallacy, you're just plain a retarded faggot. Every game plays differently, but saying exploration is not gameplay is some tip-top-tier idiocy.

>>383487597
>/v/ is one person and the hivemind must hold unanimous views
No.
>MGSV
Was expected to be story heavy so on top of having great gameplay people expect the best, especially from something marking at least supposedly the ending. (I'm still only halfway through and I like it a lot btw)
>Fallout 4
Was expected to have good writing. I don't know about story since the main story arc was never a big draw in Bethsoft games so long as the other writing and sidequests and mini-arcs are good so that sounds like bs honestly.