what are good hack n slash games like Titan quest or torchlight

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Play some Diablo 2 mods.

>>383480485
>check median
>epilepsy

>>383480117
Grim Dawn is a straight better Titan Quest

>>383480117
Dungeon Siege series (except the 3rd one, we don't talk about that piece of crap)

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>>383480559
Play mods that aren't Median.

>Zy-El
>Battle for Elements
>Eastern Sun
>Back to Hellfire
>D2Scrabble

>>383480674
the fuck is this?!

>>383480117
when was TQ ported to mobile?!??

>>383480758
i forget the name, but it was abandoned years ago and can't even be downloaded anymore

>>383480117
>like Titan quest
Grim Dawn is made by the Titan Quest guys, it's basically the same game with improvements in a different setting

>>383480579
Isn't the steam versions bad? like it doesn't have all the add-ons and what not?

>>383480563
Not even remotely

>>383481062
Idk desu, i have the retail discs. Track down the retail copies if the steam version sucks ass, go for the budget ones like from Xplosive if you don't wanna wait for a good deal on the original boxed ones, those are everywhere for 2 bucks or so. Or just pirate them.

>>383480117
pirate diablo 3
PoE
Grim Dawn
Dungeon Siege (super linear and no random levels)
Sacred
Nox
There was also this great hack'n'slash in feudal japan, but i forgot the name.

>>383480117
This came was literally click the same button over and over again to kill everything, with bare bones RPG mechanics. So disappointing.

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>>383480758
D2scrabble. It isn't very noteworthy aside from the futuristic city mega level. The difficulty is absurd, but it isn't even close to the hardest mod out there.

>>383481673
what's the hardest mod for d2 then?
on that not, what's the most enjoyable one?

>>383481107
Not that guy , but its way better.

>>383482429
Better at being not as good, sure

>>383481756
>hardest mod
If you count multiplayer mods, then Netherworld Rises or The Midlands.

>boss fights take around 30 to 50 minutes each
>if you die, you have to start the boss fight all over
>a single mistake can easily cause death
>this is just on normal difficulty


>most enjoyable one
Nezaramontias, because the balance is retarded but in a fun way.

>>383481535
that's all ARPG's though

>>383481062
There is an easy guide on the steam community that has links for all the missing content and how to install it, it's bretty good.

>>383482493
Nah, it's better. Keep it up though! I'm sure Titan Quest 2 will come out soon due to its great success.

>>383484527
TQ had
>Better atmosphere
>Better level design
>Better music
>Better story
>A lot more varied everything instead of being grimdark everywhere

>>383484669
That's a whole lot of subjective material you're listing
>A lot more varied everything
Yeah like every armor set being a dress. I'll stick to grimdark, I'm not feeling transdark myself.

>>383481673
holy shit, it's real

>>383484827
You literally travel all over the ancient world in TQ, you just move from a dark place to another dark place in GD

>>383484887
Neat, that's how I like it.

>>383480117
>what are good hack n slash games like Titan quest or torchlight 2 or diablo rn? Diablo 3 comes to mind but I've heard others say that it got bad with some patches in the past and I'm bored with the ones I just named

path of exile is the best one on the market right now, but its pointless to start playing it at the moment. you can check it out in a month when they release their next big expansion.

>>383484991
Well then your opinion is dogshit and wrong

>>383485298
Okay sport.

>>383484527
>not knowing they already announced titan quest 2 as soon as THQ became THQ Nordic last year

wew lad, you Grim Dawnlettes will never learn

>>383480117
Poe is the best by far once you kinda get it

>>383486585
>best
that's D2
>least shit after D2
yeah, that's PoE

>>383486979
>d2
>good

hahahaha oh goodness me

>>383487058
>the game that created the entire genre
>bad
hmm

>>383486979
>tq and ds are mentioned in the thread
>puts poe above them
Get a grip

>>383487158
>D2
>creating the genre

hahaha oh my

>>383487185
havent tried dungeon siege but tq was way too slow for my taste

same thing with grim dawn

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>>383487058
I love TQ, but you are delusional. TQ may have better design elements listed here >>383484669, but these things don't make a hack&slash game good. Diablo is objectively superior h&s game due to much better gameplay mechanics. At the very least you don't spend 80% of the time autoattacking in D2 with most characters.

>>383487342
The TQ anniversary edition lets you speed it up to a playable level.

Victro Vran
Asura

WASD movement, mouse aiming, like a twin stick shooter. In my opinion that's what current gen ARPGS are missing. Controlling everything with mouse alone is something from the past.

What's the deal with those games? I have played titan quest anniversary recently because of the sale but after three hours it got extremely boring. There is no story to speak of and the world is unrealistically packed full of monsters. You just go from town to town and upgrade on the way while clicking on monsters. Shops are useless because drops are better in every way, no strategy to speak of because it's just mashing buttons.

The only reason i can think of is using tittymods on those games and pretend to be an amazon chick that likes letting them hang out, like i did in sacred 2 ten years ago. I even managed to sink 30 hours into that game, even though it was the same shit over and over again.

>>383480563
I agree. Only got about 5 hours into Titan Quest. The setting is shit. I played all the way through grim dawn though

>>383488362
>"Help us there is a plague of monsters!"
>the world is unrealistically packed full of monsters
The shops can actually be useful in legendary difficulty due to the power spike rares can get over legendaries.

I wish someone would remake PoE without the stupid retarded RNG currency, and without player trading stuff you didn't loot playing together, there game is 350% better.

>>383488362
You haven't played on Legendary, you don't know shit about the game. The point of these kind of games is tremendously long and complex character advancement that allows you to enjoy the feeling of progression constantly as you play the game. The point of these kind of games is to continuously keep improving your character and face harder and harder challenges by playing higher difficulties with the ultimate goal being survival on the hardest difficulty setting. These kind of games are the munchkin's dream games and they are fun as fuck, unless you're one of those mongoloids who plays games for the story.

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>>383480117
Just play TQ's sequel.

>>383488724
TQ's sequel comes out next year though

>>383481290
>There was also this great hack'n'slash in feudal japan, but i forgot the name.

Throne of Darkness

>>383481290
The Japanese one is called Jade Empire

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>>383480117
I always liked Throne of Darkness, but because it's hardlocked at 640x480 or 800x600 it's basically unplayable in this day and age. Probably the closest thing to Diablo except in feudal Japan and you control four characters.

>>383480674
Can you recommend me a mod that is:
1. Hard.
2. Slow level ups.
3. Normal skills and not bunch of crazy op effects?

Literally in all mods I tried after 2 hours of playing I already had full uber-epic-legendary- equipment with +bazzilion to all stats and had skills like "spam the entire universe and beyond with 100000 fireballs that spawn other fireballs while summoning giant diablo minions that crate ice explosions".

Those mods are just shit. I'm looking for a mod that feels like the original Diablo, maybe even harder since Diablo is pretty easy, only different classes and quests.

Anything like that exists?

>>383488723
If there there isn't even a proper story and drive behind the MC then at least provide some service in the form of tiddies, me thinks.

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>>383488972
Me thinks you should gas yourself, mongoloid.

>>383488854
You should not care about the resolution anon, you're missing out on a lot of fun. I still play from time to time when I can the first two RE on PC and they barely get to 640x480.

>>383488854
Those portraits call to mind A BIB A TOOT

I would like to play this game but those resolutions would be horrible. Wonder if there are any fixes

>>383480117

If you want a modern game that is similar in complexity and design to Diablo 2, then you should play Path of Exile.

The more time you put into it, the more rewarding it is.

>>383480117
The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing.

>>383489037

Why's that doggo such a pussy and why is that birbs legs broken?

>>383489037
story on pic?

>>383484669
I agree, grim dawn sucks its just two roads of brown/darker brown at night
everything feels too proc based, grinding for rep isn't fun, the shoehorned in 'choices' you make in quests are lame as heck
TQ has xmax and super flying bodies, grim dawn has some better crafting mechanics, big woop

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>>383487932
>Victro Vran
would you

>>383490074
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>>383487932
>WASD movement, mouse aiming, like a twin stick shooter.
that's why the console version of diablo 3 is so vastly superior to the PC version despite lacking seasons.

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>>383480117
Try Van Helsing

>>383480117
Gauntlet is pretty nice

>>383480117
Only ones I'd care to play are Diablo 2 and PoE.

Maybe I'd try Grim Dawn or that marvel game.

I really enjoy Diablo 3 and I don't care what anyone says.

I'll agree that before Reaper of Souls it was a total shitshow.

>>383490670
Yeah I thought so, then again, mouse aiming is much better than stick aiming.
But once played it's very hard for me to go back. Same with mobas. I can't enjy Lol/Dota after having played Bloodline champions/ Battlerite.

diablo 3 is good if you want a casual experience
poe is good if you have autism

>>383487932
I enjoyed Victor Vran

>>383484669
Is this a joke? Grim Dawn has better gameplay, way more interesting items, a pretty good crafting system, the masteries are waaaaay the fuck better in grim dawn because there's more you can do with them and they have more interesting skills. Most of the masteries in titan quest were boring as fuck (except dream of course). Oh and leveling in TQ took way too fucking long. I can hit 85 in grim dawn no problem. I beat tq at level like 65 on legendary with doing most of the side quests. This is probably because there's either more quests in grim dawn or the side quest give better xp. Also I feel like exploration in grim Dawn is more rewarding because there are massive freaking dungeons that are completely optional. Also I think if you read the little lore pieces grim dawn becomes a lot more interesting setting but I do agree that there's not a huge amount of variation in the enemies you fight or the scenery which is disappointing. And tq definitely has way better music. But these things aren't why I play these games. Grim dawn is better in most of the important ways.

Diablo 3 would be better if there was more content and if you could put gems into skills

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>>383488724
WHEN IS THE INQUISITOR COMING OUT GODDAMN IT FUCK SHITABAIBNAIF

I played all you listed here except for Asura.

Post some more obscure h'n's

Diablo 3 is utter shit. It's extremely easy, there is no character development, game plays itself. You just aim.

>>383491737
you could say this about every game in the genre
(or was that intentional)

>>383491572
Soon™

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Grim Dawn is an excellent choice

I really enjoyed grim dawn, it's by the same makers of Titan quest and also features that (sub)class system. You should check it out, OP

>>383484669
Titan Quest is for patricians, the plebs can keep their gay steam-monster punk adventure and pissdark environments

Van helsing 1,2,3, or all three in directors cut. Also divine divinity.

Grim Dawn, Dungeon Siege 1 and 2, Torchlight 1 is worth a go if you liked 2

>>383492803
is the final cut worth those 27gigs?
dont want to waste all day downloading something with my dogshit internet if its too repetitive

>>383490845
D3 has good gameplay, good graphics
but horrible end game

like, you rift... and get a minor upgrade, so you can rift one higher level... so you can get another minor upgrade, so you can rift one higher level, until you hit a mechanic roadblock where your class isn't good enough to get past X rift level and you just sit and wait for a new balance patch to shuffle shit around and a new fotm build comes up.

Or am I missing anything? it feels very shallow and gets stale very fast. It has the core to become really good tho.

>>383493372
The end game is the same in every one of these games

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>>383493372
>good graphics
the graphics were literally the worst part of the entire game

>>383491775
No. Every other h'n's (Torchlight 2, GD, VH) has skills, attributes etc. that you choose yourself. There are different builds. You feel satisfied when you succeed in making a good warrior. Also you use different skills, tactics during fights.

Diablo 3 has none of these.

Path of Exile is probably the only good hack'n'slash game on the market. It's got some atrocious gameplay flow, especially early game, but the depth in mechanics and itemisation more than makes up for it as the game goes on.

Everything from Titan Quest to Torchlight to Grim Dawn has similarly clunky gameplay and generally brainless character customisation.

expansion in just a few short short weeks

>>383493519
diablo 3 does have different builds that you can figure out for yourself though?

>>383480117
If you still enjoy Diablo 2 then go play Throne of Darkness. It was overshadowed by the release of D2 LoD but it's still great

>>383493519
Diablo 3 most definitely has different builds you can use

still shit, but you're wrong about everything but the attribute points

>>383493463
Says someone who never got to the endgame for any of these games?

>>383493682
>levelling up unlocks some arbitrary skill that can be switched out at a moment's notice
There's absolutely no sense of building your character with this shit system intended for plebs.

>>383493519
>meet minimum level requirements for gear
>dump rest of the points in vit
wow such magnificent variety

>>383493682
>>383493760
You mean those auto-levelling skills? All I can do is to choose between few types of attacks. I have no control over character development. It's EXTREMELY simplified comparing to D2, GD, even Torchlight 1

I am about to play Titan quest anniversary for the first time. What are some fun class combinations and how do they play? I have heard dream is a must but I am open for anything

>>383493959
just go warfare and defense, youll have endless fun

>>383493519
You're too fixated on the superficial systems that don't really matter much in the grand scheme of things. If you think that classic skill tree offers much more mechanical depth than rune system then you're either a noob or delusional. PoE is another example of the game which doesn't have traditional skill tree and it doesn't have the same issues D3 has. Rune system of Diablo 3 is not THE issue with the game, the issue with D3 are:
1) Cookie cutter skill sets that force you into playing with them. There are NO builds that revolve around legendaries, sets are always the core of the build. Legacy of Nightmares builds are not exception.
2) Complete lack of purpose of attributes, except for damage and sustain
3) Item level bloat, which makes any sub 70 level items irrelevant, which in turn makes any sub 70 level gameplay irrelevant. The game basically begins at level 70, everything before that is a tutorial and a waste of time.

Anyone here played one of these games:

>LOKI
>Asura
>Frater
>Space Hack

? Are they any good?

>>383493845
>There's absolutely no sense of building your character with this shit system intended for plebs.
I don't see how making the levelling up system more complicated would make the game any better

having skill choices be permanent is silly because it just encourages people to look up what build is best and then proceeding from there
it kills any sense of creativity
diablo 3 lets you switch things out on the fly so there's a lot more room for experimentation and flexibility

>>383493953
>auto-levelling skills
again, having to do that manually doesn't make the game any better
and you do have runes which do give you some control over character development
sure it would be better if you had to go out of your way to physically acquire those runes in the game world, but again, people would just look up which ones are best and beeline towards doing only them

>>383494426
>I don't see how making the levelling up system more complicated would make the game any better
>having to do that manually doesn't make the game any better

It actually does. It is a sense of excitement when you wonder where to add a skill point. It requires a bit of reading and thinking. Then, when you choose and master some remarkably useful skill/attack, you feel that it's your doing. Not that some arbitrary system developed your character.

>>383494392
>>LOKI
That game is pretty bad.
When you put your skills on the hotbar, you're not activating them instantly by pressing a number, but instead you select them and then with right click you cast the spell.

>>383494692
The excitement only works the first time, not when you're making your 10th character based around *insert your attack skill here*

Excitement over making new builds overall is still there, but not because of the skill system, but because of how the whole builds works in new conditions.

>>383494860
So the same as in Diablo 2. Not a big drawback for me

>>383494426
to be fair most runes are overshadowed by one or two top runes that mesh well with whatever set or legendary power you're running just giving you an illusion of choice.

the itemization and balance around it has hurt the build diversity much more than anything else but lack of a skill tree still contributes to lack of builds

>>383493959
If you want to cheese the game go harbinger (dream and warfare). Both have relatively good survive ability, if you dual wield you can do massive dps, and dream has crazy good aoe.

>>383494392
Space hack is cool and super hard but you mostly just autoattack and money is giga hard to come by, especially if you use energy weapons which use money for ammo

>>383494342
>There are NO builds that revolve around legendaries
But the most powerful build in the game revolves around a legendary ring?

>>383495887
which ring?

>>383496017
Really? Manald Heal

>>383490346
kys

Diablo 3 is better if you ignore the class set armors. Sure you wont be going into super high greater rift levels but who give a shit, you'll have much more fun making builds.

>>383493953
Yeah, I'm not saying it does, but you can definitely have multiple builds with all the skills you get and assign them to different keys, not like when it first came out where you had to assign one power from one category to one key only

the updated way allows for multitudes of builds, not saying its incredible but it does allow for different builds contrary to what you said

>>383496064
Sorry anon, I've only been playing casually for a week while waiting for the next season to start.

I knew lightning mage was the strongest build, at least before someone cheeses something more op with necro, but I had no idea why.

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>>383480117
Grim Dawn is boring as fuck and has a lot of little annoying things that pile up and piss you off.

Go do The Incredible adventures of van helsing final cut.
It comes with all the 3 games with DLC and the earlier games have the improved combat and class systems from the later games.

You can get it for free by buying the first three helsing games and claiming a free final cut key on their website. Then refunding the three keys you bought.

It honestly is better D3. It even has an end game that is like diablo 3 with the adventure map.

>>383493953
wow SUCH character development instead of the game doing this tedious task for me, I'm going to assign one point in strength and two points in vitality

stop being so fucking delusional, diablo 3 has many faults so why aren't you picking one of them instead

>>383496450
Van Helsing was better without class but the final cut was still enjoyable because the banter between Van and Katarina is funny.

>>383494426
>I don't see how making the levelling up system more complicated would make the game any better
It makes it so it's literally you building your character, and not arbitrary unlocks happening every level, what's so difficult to understand here? You're not building anything in D3, hence there's zero attachment to the character.

Now, granted, there's an argument to be made that it's just a psychological effect to an extent and that it can be abused or can quickly wear off with a shitty levelling system, but that's why you create something unique and good (see: Path of Exile), instead of removing it altogether.

One thing I also absolutely hate about D3 is that it's just one more level where the flow of the game breaks. First level-ups do one thing, and then once you run out of skills to unlock, it starts doing a completely different thing. Doing this shit removes coherence from the game design philosophy, and D3 is master of that. Nothing naturally flows from one level to another, it's just "oh, hey, doing this broke that, how do we fix this without introducing any depth to the game" type of shit.

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>Max settings in Grim Dawn
>60fps while traveling
>40fps when fighting
>Change to the lowest settings, remove particles, shadows, set rendering to the lowest, pretty much set it to toaster mode
>60fps while traveling
>30fps when fighting

>download Path of Exile
>max settings
>60fps
>has better graphics too

>>383496761
>>download Path of Exile
>>max settings
>>60fps
Wait until you get in higher difficulties where there is particles overload.
At least it seems they've fixed in the 3.0 beta.
Grim Dawn has the same problem, but because the engine is old and trash.

>>383490214
This. Allthough Victor Vran got boring after 10 hours. But it's more fun than any other arpg.

>>383488854
Young me was very bad the game, but I figured out how to cheese it by only using one character that got ridiculously OP. Until I reached the point where one character was no longer enough and I got stuck.

>>383494426
>having skill choices be permanent is silly because it just encourages people to look up what build is best and then proceeding from there
No it encourages people to stick to a build once they've started with it.

Not just peeking at a build for 1 minute and then go back to whatever cookiecutter shit you looked up.

>>383496992
>Wait until you get in higher difficulties where there is particles overload.
Haven't played PoE in years now, but I remember wishing I could just replace the lightning arrow effect with a bright red 4 polygon square.

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>TQ
>after the boring desert act expected something dull again
>got Babylon, Himalayas, The Great Wall all packed into one unforgettable trip
Act 3 is the single most immersive hack and slash experience ever.

>>383491119
>(except dream of course)

>He cheeses the game using OP dream tree

>Enemies drop what they wear
Too much technology 4 me

>>383496246
This, get Littany of Nightmares or whatever that gives you +20% damage and 4% DR on epic item equipped. Takes a bit longer to make a build because all your other slots have to be epics, but man you can use anything.

Crusader that casts bombardment every 10 seconds making the game a poor michael bay flick is fun.

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>>383500162
>cooldowns in ARPGs

>>383500162
>epics

it's bad enough they renamed uniques and made rares completely trash but c'mon

What trees should I pick if I want to make a good archer toon?

>>383501653
>toon

>>383501367
You need CDs for balance idiot

>>383502776
its shit

>>383504458
just like my median xl !!!

threads, this is your op speaking:
tnx

>>383505124
no problem

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New expansion stuff
http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54852

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>>383480559
I fucking love it. I hate that Marco removed support for Multires in the 2017 version cause muh fairness

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>>383505029