>play Skyrim >full melee character, never use any magic

why was your non-mage character trying to join a guild for mages?

>>383437325
It makes sense. Mages are fucking useless in Skyrim, so obviously they are going to want a fighter as the archmage so that they have someone that can actually do something while they play around with their useless magic.

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>get Kidnapped by the dark brotherhood
>Cuntfac Mcgoo tells me I have to kill someone in the room before I can leave
>Kill her
>Triggers quest to hunt down the remaining members of the Dark Brotherhood

Was actually surprised by this after all the 'GO BE EVIL' quests that give me no option to do anything but be evil

>so you made a stealth archer with 0 magical aptitude
>but you suddenly feel like joining the mage guild
>great! because in skyrim, everyone is a winner!

the guilds in skyrim are legit fucking awful, you do a handful of quests for each of them and you become DA GREATEST MOST POWAFUL LEADER EVA and jesus christ that fucking thieves guild questline what the FUCK were they thinking?

>>383437789
>We should block off content from players in a single player game for no apparent reason

Dont want to be a mage? Don't be a mage.

>hey i wanna do something even though im totally unqualified for it
>what the fuck it actually lets me do it!?

They make the games like that for you people and then you just turn around and spit in todd-kun's face when he gives you what you asked for.

>>383437325
>playing a magic fearing nord warrior
>have to join the college during the main quest
>quest is forever stuck in my quest log
>Galdur amulet quest forever stuck in my quest log

This bothers me more than it should

>>383437958

iirc in morrowwind you needed a certain amount of skillpoints in specific things in order to join each of the guilds and also to advance in rank, it makes perfect sense from a gameplay perspective but of course in a modern game everything has to be dumbed down for the american xbox audience

>>383438101
Morrowind was on the american xbox and entry levels into the guilds were typically so low you could join anyway

>>383437958
The idea would be to encourage the creation of new characters with different skill sets rather that one character that can do everything.

The College reminded me of this gay club that used to be in my small town. They were struggling for customers and one night as some friends and I walked past the bouncers invited us in. When we told them we weren't gay they said we could come in anyway and gave us flyers for free drinks.

>>383437958
If there's no challenge in something, then the reward is diminished in kind. Go blow your participation trophy, fag-face!

>>383437958

>You aren't allowed to join the mage guild in Skyrim until you level up Destruction/Restoration/Alchemy etc a tiny bit

Woah, that would truly throw a wrench into the works and confuse everyone, let's just make it so you can join regardless of if your character is a literal retard who doesnt even know how to cast the most basic of spells.

Thanks Bethesda!

>>383438212

obviously talking about the 360 from like 2007+ onwards

at least it HAD a skill level gate, skyrim doesnt at all

>>383437614
Well, you wouldn't want a scholar to protect a group of scholars. It just makes sense.

>>383438101
Yep so you had to make a whole new character if you wanted to see three of the major questlines in the game. it makes no sense and is only defended because of nostalgiafags. May as well stop the character from doing the story quest and go tell him he has to level up 20 more times before he's allowed to see the next quest

They had to do this because at some point it was written into the main quest so they had to just make it so some roided barbarian with 0 MP join up. They weren't even trying.

Mechanically, Skyrim is not a role-playing-game

A shame the world is wasted with shit gameplay. Can be comfy at times. Is it bad to have nostalgia for it?

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>>383438294
>>383437325
>>383437789
>>383437992
Did you fuckers even play this game?

You can join by just being dragonborn. You dont need any magic. You can tell the dude "I got jack shit for magic but.. I AM the dragonborn"

He'll say "Prove it"

Then you shout him right off the bridge.

Fucker runs up and is like WOW HOLY SHIT COME ON IN

The end

>>383437325
Bethesda games aren't about making choices, they're about ticking lists, and becoming the archmage is on the list

>>383437325
>Want to do thing in a video game
>video game lets you do thing
>WOOOWWW I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS GAME JUST LET ME DO THIS INCREDIBLY BASIC THING LIKE HOLY SHIT HOW TERRIBLE
Would you rather have to start the entire fucking game and slog through te shitty missions? Its literally a test to be an apprentice, of course it's supposed to be basic as fuck. If you're going to bitch about skyrim at least bitch about actual issues.

>>383438483

>you had to make a whole new character if you wanted to see three of the major questlines in the game

ummmmmm no? i had multiple playthoughs of morrowind with every single guild questline finished and the houses & morag tong questlines etc

i have no idea what you are talking about

>>383438575
What game did you play? Cause that doesn't happen in Skyrim

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>>383438624
see
>>383438275
And, all you participation-aware faggots

>>383438575
>hi I understand you are looking for electricians
>are you a qualified electrician?
>no but I am a good plumber
>WOW COME IN PLS

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>we will never get oblivion-tier side and guild quests again
>we will never get the depth of morrowind again
>all we have to look forward to is VR ports of watered down versions of dead franchises and beyond that is too horrifying to think of

>>383438671
Yeah it can, I remember it too

>>383438931
>depth of morrowind
???
Not having quest markers isnt depth.

>>383438212
The barriers for entry were low enough for anyone with a good racial bonus or slight focus on a school of magic to become an apprentice errand boy doing bitchwork. But you had to focus on 2+ schools of magick to get past that peasant level. Meanwhile in Skyrim you cast 1 apprentice level spell, a second apprentice level spell, then do a bunch of draugur dungeons in any combat style and bam you are the archmage.

>>383437325
>>full melee character, never use any magic

So fucking boring. Melee in these games is trash.

>>383437325
And if you couldn't join as a melee character you'd complain about muh freedom.

>>383439023
You say that as if the magic is much better.

>>383438687
>reward
You're just joining a school. There should be no reward. Again, you should bitch about the fact that advancements are no longer tied to skills like in morrowind, and that the quests are nowhere near as interesting in order to forgive that, as the ones in Oblivion.
>>383438931
>depth of morrowind
The only deep thing about morrowind is the lore. Morrowind excelled in atmosphere and lore establishment, but Oblivion is the better game overall

>>383439118

Only shit magic is destruction.

>>383438993
>>383439212

I want millennials to leave.

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>>383438575
I don't even remembering this but the way you described it gave me a giggle, so here is a (you)

>>383438671
not him but I remember doing it

How do I make other characters fuck in Sexlab without participating myself?

>>383439291
Tell me what depth morrowind actually has.

>>383438847
Oh come on, thats not a fair comparison.

>>383438575
Shouting IS magic tho you can block every single dragon shout with the ward spell

>>383437763
>first play-through of Skyrim
>start getting messages from dark brotherhood
>oh shit, GOTY quest line incoming
>It never triggers
>Some NPC's start saying I look, and smell like shit
>All NPC's start saying I look, and smell like shit
>Beat the game
>Friend tells me you have to sleep to trigger it.

How the fuck was I supposed to know that?

>>383439371
Select two actors by pressing N. Open Sexlab in the mod menu, go to the animation testing section enjoy watching your waifu get BLACKED

>>383438575
That doesn't explain why you can become a part of the Mage's Guild before consuming the first Dragon Soul or getting a single Shout while also being a blithering retard warrior.

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>Be the Dragonborn
>You are literally half of Akatosh
>Mastered the oldest Nordic school of my magic on your first fucking attempt
>Literally a demi god in lore
>Anon believes you are somehow too stupid to cast a base level restoration spell
>Anon believes you are so pathetic that there is no possible way you could know stealth, fighting AND magic.

>>383439291
I want Morrowindfags to be able to be objective and realize that most of its quest are shitty filler but we're both doomed to be dissapointed

>>383439245
The rest is mediocre magic unless you add mods Still miles better than swords I guess

>>383439572
>he didn't play oblivion

>>383439774
I tried multiple times.
Always quit right after exiting the sewers

>>383439380

The magic system for starters and combat in general. Dialogue trees and how you can interact with NPCs and the world, hand crafted dungeons and stories, multiple options and outcomes to any given quest including both how you proceed through the quest and how the quest ends, as well as the fact that you can choose to say fuck prophecy and be a traveling alchemist going from town to town amassing a fortune of gold and potions.

>>383438059
big pet peeve of mine when playing skyrim, fucking quest items

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>>383439885
>Missing the best game in the series
C'mon, anon. The potato faces even become goofily cute after a few hours.

>>383439913
>Dialogue trees and how you can interact with NPCs
Are you joking, """"""""""conversations in morrowind are even worse that skyrim.
Diceroll combat is ass.

>>383439429
sound fair to me. The Dragonborn does not have magic like everyone else and uses either a completely different magic system or has magic-like abilities. Not sure how exactly shouts work.

>>383440050
Shit anon you really convinced me with those hot opinions.

>>383440039
It's too late anon. The sewers won. It's become something of a yearly tradition. I boot the game, exit the sewers, the sudden urge to quit creeps in, uninstall the game. Rinse and repeat a year later.

I hated that Harry Potter rip-off guild with such a burning passion. Even when you get in the characters are still shilling the place.

>>383437614
>>383439118
>Mages are fucking useless in Skyrim
>Duel wielding level 2 destruction spells knocks people down from a distance and is spammable

I don't know why you people always talk shit about magic when you can break the game with firebolt spells. It's like when you get the paralysis weapons enchantment only without dead bodies ending up unlootable.

>>383438237
Did you go in?


Or come out :^)

>>383440394
Just get the alternate start mod my brother. The sidequests are worth it, even though the main quest is shit.

>>383439746

Shield Mage master race.

>>383440530
No you don't seem to get it. The Sewer is the best part of the game. It's the open world you're thrust upon that scares me. The sewer is predictable, the sewer is safe, there's a finite and linear, and familiar route in the sewers. Outside is only chaos.

>>383439774
>>383440039
I can't even be bothered to mod it. I saw a how to video to make oblivion look and play not shit and it lists nearly 70 mods and like 5 different programs. It's too much a hassle when I can play any other adventure game

>>383440090
The voice is the traditional nordic magic. Not everyone is 'gifted' with it like a dragonborn, but it can be mastered like any other discipline. In that way I can see one gaining admittance based on it.

Frankly I'm shocked it never comes up during the Mage's Guild quest outside of this entrance exam. Hell the dragons aren't really a subject for the MG. Surely someone has to be wondering if a soul gem could capture a dragon's soul.

>>383439572
Plays Skyrim like cod
Bitches
Retarded cocksucking faggot
Reddit spacing

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>>383440832
>PCniggers unironically need 70 mods before they will even play a game
Holy shit
Just play the fucking game you dipshit

>>383441229
But it's shit

>>383439669
>Half of akatosh
>Demigod at start
Go home

>>383441229

>have to mod a shit game to make it playable


You don't say..

>>383441275
Seems you dont know the lore there friend

>>383440832
if you need to download 70 mods to make a game """playable""" then you might actually start to think that the game wasn't good at all.

>>383437409
>why was your non-mage character trying to join a guild for mages?

Why was I able to? Why are there no barriers to what any given build can do? Why bother making progress in anything when you are given complete omnipotence from the get go?

>>383439669
Dragonborn is Shezarrine too

>>383441446
That's what I'm thinking

skyrim

is a good video


game

>can open master level locks without any prior training by shoving lockpicks in there until it works

>>383439596

Thanks bruh

>>383440513
>I don't know why you people always talk shit about magic when you can break the game with firebolt spells.
Or just stealth archer and kill everything in one hit.

>>383441334
you too honestly.

>>383437409
Cheevos bro

>>383440295
Not him but Morrowind NPCs being literal walking talking encyclopedias isn't a meme at all.

So, i only played this game once and it was on xbox 360

Starting a new run on Special Edition on PC, which mods do i need?

>>383437409
You have to go there if you want to finish the main storyline or Dawnguard by talking to the librarian about where to find the elder scroll

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Name 1 (ONE) thing that Skyrim does better than BotW.

>>383444043
I don't think anyone would disagree with you other than shitposters that BotW is a infinitely better game overall. Still a game like BotW but with character creation and RPG mechanics would be incredible.

>>383444043
I'd rather not think about either game if that's okay with you.

>>383444043
Roleplaying
Bye sweetie

>>383444043
Mods

>>383444343
>he thinks that having character creation automatically constitutes roleplaying

>>383444043
mods and shitporn mods,you play skyrim if you dont like to have fun and you like to jack of to ur wifus XD

>>383444404
Nope
>he thinks playing a character that already has an established name and a long fleshed out history is roleplaying

>>383444043
Mods, skyrim's only good quality

>>383444608
Who are you quoting? Nobody ever said Zelda was an RPG

>>383444608
it literally is. you're roleplaying as link. when people "roleplay" for sex, do they use a character generator to fashion their idea role to fuck with? no, they put on a fucking football helmet or something and pretend to be a specified archetype. and if you want to take that idea further, character generation isn't really "roleplaying" by your definition either, since it's just a very very large number of preset characters to "choose" from. apply yourself anon.

>>383444746
>Name 1 (ONE) thing that Skyrim does better than BotW.
Your going to compare an action adventure game vs an rpg ofcourse the rpg will be better with roleplaying
Its an obvious answer

>>383445172
skyrim is as much of an rpg as a gta game.

>>383445280
Urr.. No
In every gta game you play as 1 (or 3) character that will always go through the same story with no choices or changes
In skyrim you dont even have to play the shitty main story

http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=14422

Unironically one of the best reads ever.

This guy completely picks apart the Thieves Guild questline and exposes how awful it is and how much it doesn't make sense. It's pretty entertaining too.

>>383445594
The dark brotherhood questline in oblivion is still one of the best side questlines ever
Skyrim has nothing that can even compete

>>383444043
Skyrim is available on PC. This is pretty important, considering WIi U and Switch is worse than Indian feces.

>>383445594
>ywn write plots for games so they aren't retarded dimwit shit for the lowest common denominator

>>383445807
Harty keks!

>>383440394
this is me for skyrim.
>plyed it and completed it on console like all beth games.
>buy it on steam sale years later
>install non lore breaking and game function mods
>get past helgen
>get to the near town
>quit
>try again next year

fuck sake, skyrim isn't even that bad.

If Skyrim had better combat and better quests it would have been a very close to perfect game.

>>383437409

I went there to train restoration for my melee character. You can get some really good healing skills without adding any mana and just a few perks.

>>383445979
>replaying the literal worst part of the already terrible Skyrim over and over
At least Oblivion sewer quitting anon had a fun dungeon to crawl through.

>>383444043
Quests, lore, gameplay progression, npcs, towns.
Sorry for not naming one, this isn't even a comment on the quality of skyrim, its a pretty average game, botw just falls short in some ways.

>>383437325
>Only know a handful of novice spells
>"Hey, you should become the archmage over these other senior members of the guild"

Nice progression there.
At least it makes more sense in the fighter/thief/assassin guild since you're actually forced to do some fighting/thieving/assassin stuff to prove yourself.

>>383441460
No matter what, your character will always have access to magic at level 1, I think, so that makes sense.

>>383446108
Todd doesn't get why players start new characters to do different guilds.

>>383441431

The fuck are you on about?

>>383446238
This kind of shit irks me, and it's not just Todd who does it either. Some people don't WANT to be a Master-of-All for fuck's sake.

>>383445982
skyrim is a shit tier RPG though.
what would make it a great game would be if you progressed far in one guild, you are locked out of other guild quest lines.
i.e multiple playthroughs and alts.
Like morrowind was

actually going to classes and learning and learn creating spells rather than be given them in a quick read book.
a deeper craft system, like morrowinds alchemy system.

Fighters guild you have to actually work, by helping people kill monsters and clear dungeons to progress up the ranks.

a more RPG system that, join guild, do 5-10 short quests, instantly leader of the guild

>>383446108
They should at least postpone your character becoming an archmage until you at least learn one master spell.

>>383446385
This
Toddler howtard is obsessed with power fantasies

>>383446427
>skyrim is a shit tier RPG though.
stopped reading right there

>>383446230
>No matter what
there are mods to remove starting spells

I would fucking love an open world game with your typical fighters/thieves/mages guild that only lets you rise up to a prestigous elite position after doing all the quests.
Becoming the owner/leader of the guild is completely fucking stupid. It's a pencil pushing job, which you never fucking do.
Once you become the leader of a guild, you fuck off and basically never involve yourself with that guild ever again.

>>383437763
>Kill her

i think everyone does this, she's incredibly unpleasant

i cut her leg off in one swing thanks to mods

>>383446071
fuck I couldn't quit after getting through the sewers.
that comfy feel of first coming out into the luscious green of cyrodiil after the sewers is one of the best feel in an ES game.
Only things that stop me from playing oblivion is the terrible combat system, the overworld loading and finding a decent mod to sort the leveling issue out.

Skyrim I just cant get past that area.
I know there are some comfy places and good quests to do too

>>383446645
>Skyrim was my first RPG

>>383446708
b-but radiant quests

>>383437325
>full melee character
>not stealth archer
Never should have come here.

>>383446823
What if he picked High Elf?

>>383446427
>>383446645
Id say its more of an average rpg
But thats the usual case with bethesda games
They are average without mods,wich is why beth is smart enough to support the modding comunnity,wich is the only reason their games are even relevant today

>>383444043
Roleplaying
Music
Overworld
Quests
Dialogue
Writing
Content
Replayability
Environment
Atmosphere
Weapon Design
Graphics
DLC

Virtually everything

>>383446917
Well then he can fuck off.

>>383446725
theres a mod that autocompletes BFB and gives you the dragonstone so you can get on with the rest

>>383447060
Where the fuck is Elder Scrolls 6 Todd

>>383438575
but thats even worse

>>383437409
It's a main quest.

>>383447173
not really, Dragonborn would be interesting to the Mages College
Not that they actually take interest in that fact ever

>>383446724
>i cut her leg off in one swing thanks to mods

Woah what? What mod man, I love dismemberment.

>>383437325
I wouldn't care if they didn't make me their fucking leader every single time after maybe half an hour of talking to them.

Seriously, I don't want to be the fucking Archmage/Guild Master/whateverthefuck. I'm the Dragonborn I couldn't give less of a shit about your gay little club. Let me be the go-to muscle for someone that's actually qualified to run this shit.

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>>383446645
RPG games have role play, have choices and decisions that impact the world, change your character and peoples reactions towards you.

Literally the only actual choices you have in skyrim.
>what race you will be
which does not make a single difference other than a few different dialogues by npc's
>who you will enter helgen keep with
which does not matter as you can join either faction later and the person you entered the keep with will just be an enemy.
also, always go for the nord guy as his family is the blacksmith guy who gives you free shit that you can then sell back to him so the choice is gimp yourself or not
>what faction questline you want to join stormcloak or imperial
>kill parthanaxx or not
which just either locks you out of further dialogue with the greybeards, so you cant have quest markers to words, that is if you haven't got them all already.
Or locks you out of having a few NPC's help you kill a dragon, like you need the help only you have rend anyway.

4 "choices" in an RPG game.

bravo Todd

>>383437763
I wish the rest of the questlines had shit like this, being able to hunt down the Companions with the Silver Hand would be cool if you're playing an overly zealous Daedra hater.

Same with being able to take down the Thieves Guild with Mjoll, that's especially weird because you get shaken down by a guard to even enter Riften then once you're in, her bitching about them is the first thing you see. They went out of their way to give you a nasty first impression of the TG but you've no way to keep running with it.

>>383438931
Oblivion's guild quests are better than Skyrim's but still overrated. Especially the Dark Brotherhood.

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>>383438671

>>383447576
>always go for the nord guy as his family is the blacksmith guy who gives you free shit that you can then sell back to him so the choice is gimp yourself or not
i think you can do this anyways
also Gerdur gives you way more shit and her house has good potions you can just take

>>383447619
>Same with being able to take down the Thieves Guild with Mjoll
I read somewhere this was planned for the game but they had to scale it back because consoles lol

>>383447326

deadly mutilation

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I JUST WANT TO FUCKING PLAY
AN RPG
WHERE THE WORLD DOESN'T REVOLVE AROUND ME

>>383439572
How did you think the DB questline is GOTY at all if you've never experienced any of the DB questlines in previous TES games? If you read about it, then how did you not know that you had to sleep to trigger the first quest?

Why are country orcs so mean? They made fun of me for being a city orc.

>>383447863
it's always better to go for the blacksmith, you are allowed to take most or all of his ore by the forge iirc.

>>383447968
>because consoles lol
nothing about that has to do with graphical or processing power
it's just because Bethesda is either lazy as fuck, or their 11/11/11 deadline limited their scope, or both (likeliest of all options)

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>>383447976
fucking this!

>>383447974
>deadly mutilation
I'd suck your pussy if you had one.

>>383447976
>>383448114
Try real life you autismos.

>>383447976
Mount and Blade

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>>383448082
>you will never live in the timeline where they went for the 12/12/12 memedate instead, giving both Skyrim and New Vegas an extra year of development time

>>383448114
I remember first playing through the College questline and at the end everyone was like "well gee I think you should be the archmage, I can't think of anyone more qualified for the job" while I'm literally standing there in all Ebony armor and a warhammer on my back.

I love this game, but it is just complete garbage and if you aren't playing this with mods you shouldn't even bother.

>>383448031
meh iron/steel ingots are everywhere and can be smelted from garbage loot with mods

>>383444043
I have played neither but don't think it's fair to match a game that has a few years behind it with one that is new-gen

Also Zelda is pretty distant from the generic RPG setting of TES

>>383447976
>what is Live Another Life

>>383446917
They make great stealth archers thanks to Alteration, Illusion, and Conjuration until they can get something stronger than an ebony bow.

>>383448384
I install the skyrim community college mod.
it adds a non intrusive building by whiterun with every book, spell, ingot potion, alchemy ingredient and master trainer.
It is non lore breaking but if you wanted to level from 1-100, master everything in 1 go and become rich you can do it all there.
Plus I install a spend dragon soul for perk mod which adds little dragon shrines close to the first village so once you have all the words you spend your souls there to level up perks.

Non intrusive or lore breaking mods are my thing

>>383441460
If you're role playing, it shouldn't matter. A fighter would never go to a magic school unless it was to beat the shit out of nerds

>>383437409
Marry the qt dark elf student

>>383446385
>>383446238
I don't mind being able to master everything and become the absolute most powerful person in every guild, earning the title of Archmage General Listener Faggotron but at least make me work for it the fucks. Even Oblivion had you trekking to the guilds in every city and doing menial shit like an apprentice before moving up and taking on grander things. The progression was still piss easy but at least it was there, all of the guilds took their time unfolding their tale, presenting their characters and making you feel like you're a part of it.

In Skyrim, you hardly do any thieving in the Thieves Guild, you do like 3 shit quests before turning joining the inner circle of the Companions and hardly need to cast any spells to become the Archmage of the Mages Guild. I never even bothered with the Dark Brotherhood after being continually disappointed by all of these factions, the main quests and most of the side quests too. Ended up just building my home and collecting armor/weapon sets to decorate it while exploring and earning new shouts.

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>oblivion thieves guild
>pull off bonafide heists and generally put your sneaking skills to good work in clever quests

>skyrim thieves guild
>quests aren't guild members collaborating to pull off heists, it's all just a retarded overarching revenge plot
>daedra prince gets involved, there are "Nightingales" who wear jet black armor to serve them, most retarded unthief like shit ever
>you're forced to sell your soul to her just so you can advance in the revenge plot
Skyrim was awful.

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>>383437325
Alternatively
>Get to a point of the game where the requirement to join is higher
>Have to go there to learn about elder scrolls
>No option whatsoever to say you just want to consult with the knowledge they have on it as an outside party
>The only way inside is to cast a fucking flame atronacht to "join" the college
>Have 100 mana and no interest in joining the fucking college
>Can't progress the fucking quest
thanks todd

>>383446823
>should have
/v/ has gotten so shit these days that I'm genuinely pleased to see people saying 'should have' instead of 'should of'.

>>383438575
That's just a lie though, if you say "Even if I'm dragonborn?" She'll just say she's not impressed.

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>>383437325
She was being sarcasting, you brainlet.

>>383449273
you forgot
>give up the only useful item in the whole game

>>383445594
That was pretty great, any chance there's more shit like this where people pick apart Skyrim's quests? I'd love to see someone take a crack at that awful main quest.

>>383440513
2 hours after that you're just repeatedly stunlocking enemies for 5 minutes every time you enter combat where as stealth archers still one or two hit them and fighters kill them in 10 seconds or so

>>383437325
How's Bruma? Noticed some anon has been desperately trying to make threads for it but the best he's managed so far was a thread around 60 posts

>>383438847
no it' more like
>hey this is a home renovation guild, can you renovate to specs?
>not modern era but I'm a professional at victorian era and greco-roman interior
>hey that works, come in!

>>383449273

The little things in the Oblivion thieve's guild questline are great too, like the Gray Fox getting Hieronymus Lex reassigned to Anvil to keep the Countess further safe.

>>383438931
Oblivion's Mage's Quest was pretty bad too. I'll still take Oblivion though. It's pretty derpy, and the bad parts of it are probably the lowest points in the whole series, but there's parts that are actually great and worth playing through, unlike Skyrim, where everything just kinda blends together. There's nothing too horrible in Skyrim, but nothing really good either, and it just comes out to a bland, grey mess. Additionally, most of Oblivion's features can be modded over to an extent, whereas Skyrim, the issues are baked into the very structure of the game.

>>383452909
Skyrim was the most polished of any of Todd's games, but that doesn't really amount to much if what you're polishing is scrap.

>>383438575
>>383447821
The fuck? I didn't even need to do a shout to prove it, they just let me in at my word.

>>383443778
If you go as part of the Main quest line you can bypass magic entirely and gain entrance by showing off your Thuum.

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>>383440039
>>383440832
All you need for non-potato characters is:

OCO - Oblivion Character Overhaul
OBSE - Oblivion Script Extender)/Blockhead

Optional additions would be:
Some hair/eye pack
Wrye Bash and very rudimentary skills to make a bash patch with it

It's not that complicated. OBSE is literally just drop into your Oblivion directory. No ESP, and if you have the Steam version, no EXE, required. Wrye Bash is right click, build merge patch, done.

>>383449058
my nigga

>>383455758
You also need archive invalidation and BSA registration, but they have automatic tools and workarounds for that nowadays. Really, people today have it easy. Try modding Morrowind, where if you deactivate anything in a play-though, you've corrupted it, or Oblivion circa 2006, when you had to manually do archive invalidation and BSA registration.

>>383452909
Oblivion's MG was interesting. Some of the quest I will never forget, like going to get a personally made staff as a symbol of member hood, and that bit of research you pull off for the Vahtacen Column.

>>383456126
>Vahtacen Column.
I don't even remember that shit. Most memorable for me was trekking across Cyrodiil to do the initiation quests, however.

>>383456279
The initiation is probably the shittiest part, but it has a vouple of quests I enjoy, like the prankster cat. You can dispel him yourself to skip the diary theft if you find him with Detect.

>>383456126
Oblivion, like Morrowind, understood that you had to have build up for the epic shit. Doing mundane tasks served to frame the crazy shit in later quests, and scaling back shit helped make things I M M E R S I V E.

>>383448992
You're not actually roleplaying if the game doesn't respond to the choices you make in any way.

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>>383455758
There's something hilarious about a mod that tries to adhere to lore and a "realistic" western aesthetic being better for making cute anime grills than the dedicated Jap/Weaboo mods like XEO or MBP.

>>383456478
Of course it is. I was not complaining. It just puts me off redoing it sometimes. A shame since my favorite slavmod for Oblivion requires Archmage status.

> tfw non russian speakers will never know the glory of the 7 Roads Tavern/The Dead and Alive mod

>>383456990
this man is so handsome, I would gladly polish his spear

>>383448992
I think that most people play hybrid classes anyways. Being a dedicated fighter or thief isn't that fun. Will make an exception to Morrowind, where playing a pure mage was amazing.

>>383437325
That's their shitty writting right there.
Every time that I join to some shit and inmediately I get chosen as the next leader's succesor (even if you don't do shit) ruins the inmersion completely.
I fucking hate when that shit happens

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>>383457169
It's a really, really nice mod. NPCs are arguably better looking than even Skyrim's.

>>383457312
It's because the mod author was using Morrowind's take on races as his basis.

>>383457312
a common criticism for these mods is that it gives the NPCs a bad case of same face, I can see that being a problem here. also not helpful is the vacant stare with those prominent eyes.
probably still better than potatoblivion, though.
this is OCO?

Can someone explain why the dialogue in skyrim feels, off? Like, it isn't just bad but there's something else wrong with it that I can't put my finger on.

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Dumping

God I wish Bethesda had announced the next TES at E3, they really are the only company left that knows how to make RPGs.

>>383448992
What if you want to roleplay a fighter that eventually wants to try magic? Why would you want to restrict your roleplaying experience simply because the game doesn't respond to the logical consequences of your choices?

>>383438575
What?
I remember trying that and it just turned her hostile and suddenly everyone is cone-of-colding me.

>>383457727
Last point is great.

If you luck or out-skill a high level enemy you can have so much fun with your super gear.

>>383447576
Skyrim is not even an RPG game.
It's just an action game with an open world and some little RPG elements. If it would have been an RPG, it would have different endings; your choices would impact the world one way or another (and you would have a lot more); let you be good or bad; your race, sex, backstory, specialization and (hopefully one day) your size and looks would affect your dialogues, missions, the NPCs' actions, endings and fuckton of more things. And I would add that to master an ability, whether is magic, craft, endurace or whatever, would take way more time and be more complex that create ,for example, a fuckton of iron daggers. Same goes for aiming to be the champion of a faction, the leader of a group, creating a group or even entering one.
There are a lot of things that would have been so damn awesome to have in the game that by just thinking about it makes me sad about the final product (not that I didn't enjoyed the game)

>Can't help Mjoll fix the clusterfuck that is Riften
>Can't join the silver hand and purge furfags from Whiterun
>Civil war is extremely lackluster, and that guy who made that one really cool mod had a hissy about Trump winning and took it down
>Companions (followers, not the guild) don't give a shit what you do, for example, Erandur doesn't care that you're a werewolf/vampire and tear apart people just for looking at you funny, despite being a priest of Mara
>Skyrim is DRASTICALLY changed from what it used to be (frozen wasteland ruled by warrior kings who rose and fell constantly)
>No ability to assist the Thalmor in some way and fuck over everyone
>Can't tell Delphine that you're the god damn dragonborn, you aren't killing Mario and she's still going to follow your orders (though the mod fixes it)

I have a few other complaints but those are the big ones I have with the game.

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>>383457510
Nah, there's some pretty fucked up NPCs to balance out the handsome or good looking ones, and then there's all the variations on the face textures they've attached to the age slider.

>>383458135
Civil War Overhaul was a shit mod anyway. It was bugged to hell and back, bloat your save, and he wouldn't accept help in developing his mod at all.

>>383439118
At least it has pretty lights

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>>383458189
You could always throw something like ES74's Unique NPCs on top if you wanted more variation. Works with OCO because it changes effected NPCs to MBP based races, but some might find it distracting. But hey, you'll at least get NPCs with beards and mustaches.

>>383458294

Oh, that sucks. I never got around to playing with the mod simply because I got bored with Skyrim, though recently I tried Skyrim: The Journey (it being technically illegal or not isn't any of my business) and I'm actually having a blast even if it's causing my PC to have a heart attack at times.

>>383458518
>not turning off self shadows

>>383458518
looks cute
>>383458631
nothing wrong with that image

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>>383458518
ES74's uses pre-Blockhead meshes, so you might get some dissonance between the highly detailed OCO heads, and the more abstract/anime MBP heads.

>>383458772
>nothing wrong with that image
It looks fine there, but self shadows is usually kinda buggy and crappy, so many people turn it off.

>>383452492
Yea at first you think she's a lover or something but then you actually learn Gray Fox was the count of Anvil all along, fuck Nocturnal

For all we rip into Skyrim for your actions being inconsequential, and nobody ever acknowledging your accomplishments, and even the Civil War quest changing nothing, at least Dragonborn Herma-Mora acknowledges it if you've completed his vanilla quest.

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>>383452417
>tfw you will never afford greco-roman interiors

>>383459436
whiterun is skyrim's imperial city dude

>>383459338
It's more like everyone is rude to you and treats you like an imbecile (which the Dragonborn kinda is if his dialogue choices are anything to go off of).

In Oblivion/Morrowind, you show up, and the quest giver is like
>Please, sir, I have these rats in my basement, can you take care of them?
Once you kill them, it's
>Oh thank you, I'm in your debt for clearing those vermin out.

In Skyrim, the quest giver would say something like
>Hey, jackass, I'm talking to you. Go kill those damned skeevers for me. Yeah, that's all you're good for, you milkdrinker.
and when you completed it you get
>Haha. Those skeevers must have been real pushovers if a little baby like you could kill them.

Even the beggars treat you badly, like they're entitled to your gold and are doing you the favor by begging for it.

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>>383437958

>>383459645
> King
Asset

>decided to replay Oblivion last week
>finished up my playthrough
>started playing Skyrim

Christ this game is so much worse.

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>>383458772

>>383460328
Not necessarily. The bad parts of Oblivion are way worse than the bad parts of Skyrim. I would say that Skyrim is much more boring though, because unlike Oblivion, it doesn't have anything really good to keep you going through the bad.

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>>383459645
>ulfric cockshining
here's the truth lad

I can't stand the combat in Skyrim. It's so fucking slow and floaty. It's almost like your character is constantly wading through invisible jelly. Forever.

I don't suppose there are mods that fundamentally change all combat animations to initiate faster?

>>383459925
why did Bethesda go down this road so hard? do their writers think themselves clever? does todd have a bully fetish, being the manlet he is?
the kids too, bethesda knows they made them untouchable so they poured their efforts into creating to most asshole dialog for them

>>383460335
geez, really makes me want to give that mod a spin. but I can return to Oblivion, anon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vHd021a55Y
There's an oblivion one too but I can't find it

>>383460865
I mean can't

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>>383460865
>>383460928
Pretty sad. Oblivion still has the best mods in the series in my opinion.

>>383458135
>Skyrim is DRASTICALLY changed from what it used to be (frozen wasteland ruled by warrior kings who rose and fell constantly)
Do you want me to explain why you are wrong?

>>383460335
>>383461045
>>383458518
>>383455758
Why does that Disney aesthetic look so amazing in Oblivion? It'd never work with Skyrim or Morrowind.

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>>383460670
>empire + redguard are fighting the dominion
>dominion is running out of soldiers and realizes that they'll lose the war if it goes on any longer
>they make an offer to Emperor Dumbass to sign a treaty
>Emperor Dumbass not only accepts their invitation, but agrees to basically surrender his entire empire to the dominion
>in doing so, he betrays his redguard allies
>redguards go on to fight the domionion TO A STALEMATE after which the dominion signed a ceasefire because they could not win

Had Emperor Dumbass not betrayed his Redguard allies, the two of them would have been able to defeat the dominion.

Also, let's not forget how Emperor Dumbass became Emperor. His Father stormed the imperial city and killed the previous Emperor which caused most of the provinces to leave the empire.

He is a traitor and he comes from a family of traitors.

>show up out of the blue
>beefy warrior hunk
>ok come in
>some faggot elf is being a cock sucker
>fuck him up
>damn son you should be the arch mage
>appointed master arch mage god after one day while Tolfcuck has been there for 800 years and is only an english teacher
>leave and never come back
no wonder they blew up half the fucking city

>>383458135
Riften is schizophrenic in general
>all those quests to help regular citizens
>Thieves Guild Quest line requires to you incriminate one of them in theft and shake down several others
This goes for fucking Markarth too though
>forsworn conspiracy quest
>find out silver bloods are a bunch of fucking traitors to the Empire who were funding terrorists
>kill the forsworn assholes and get out
>forced to accept a fucking payoff from the silver blood cunt and nothing happens to him or his family
I outright removed their essential status just to kill both those brothers. I mean I know the one brother becomes Jarl if the Stormcloaks when but they could have had the Jarl expel their asses when he found out(with them returning thanks to Ulfric if he wins), he clearly was baying for their heads from his conversations with his stewards.

>>383461615
The dragonborn is a stupid mercenary douchebag. The dialogue options and questlines make it impossible to be anything else.

>>383447619
>an overly zealous Daedra hater
like the vigil of stendarr? who do fuck all in the entire game

God I hate Bethesda

>>383439913
>he actually thinks the combat in Morrowind has depth
How
You have one or two (at most) viable melee attacks
It's literally chop or thrust the majority of the game

>>383461615
This annoyed me to no end.

There's no way to clean up Riften and the Thieves Guild questline is shite.

>>383447619
And that is why Maven Blackbriar is often #1 on people's characters that shouldn't be essential but are lists.

>>383461162
Because the game already has a cartoony look to begin with.

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>>383439913
>combat in morrowind
>depth
ESfags are some of the most deluded faggots

>>383461865
except in the Markarth case it requires little effort to make what I said happen and does nothing but give the player an extra choice. The dumbass Silver Blood guy wrote incriminating shit in a diary which is one way to find out his role, the guy you were helping during the quest prior to imprisonment is murdered under his orders/henchman for getting too close, and if the original intended victim survives she clearly hints the Empire was trying to undermine the Silver Bloods for supporting Ulfric. For any of those reasons you might want a different option instead of being given a ring by him and having no consequences except (maybe) his cunt wife being murdered. All they needed to do was add an option to tell that cunt to fuck off instead of accept the ring, an option to give the diary to the Jarl as damning evidence, and them getting shipped to Windhelm like usurped Jarls with them coming back if the Stormcloaks win. That's like 1-2 minutes of dialog if and the reuse of a mechanic they use endlessly to actually make a decent end for the quest. But no, the lazy cunts couldn't be bothered.
>>383462348
there is no greater feeling then all the times you fuck her over on the various quests

>>383438237
>but I'm not even gay
>That's okay. Here, suck my dick for 50 septims and we'll let you in

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>>383440513
>Did you go in?
>Or come out :^)

Is there even a single enjoyable quest in Skyrim?

>>383460925
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKF-4DS4acU

>>383446427
>alts
skyrim was made for super casual people that wouldnt make alts and just wanted to be BADASS. therein lies the problem. mods made it decent but that was for people who wanted older rpg shit in a casualized game

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You fuckers talked me into reinstalling. Does anyone have that list of required mods? I'm an Oblivion veteran so I want something new to change things up

>a fighter can't be in the mages guild!
what do you faggots have against spellswords

>>383458135
>had a hissy about Trump winning and took it down
WHAT

>>383447619
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/28880/?
Yes,i also think "mods will fix it" is a bullshit excuse

>>383447619
I think this is because the game still had a lot of unfinished parts, like the civil war.

Never ceases to amaze me and disgust me at the same time how Skyrim threads pop up pretty damn often what, five years or so after the game was released and they garner a few hudnred responses each time.

And how people bitch that it's an average, bad, horrible game citing various things and yet the threads are still made. The discussions are still there.For a horrible game, you sure play it a lot to have such strong feelings about it.

>>383465330
Yeah it's like the game keeps coming out again or something, I don't get it.

>>383438624
Yes actually. Each guild should have quest lines that are as long as all the guild quests and the main quest were and getting into more than one per game is extremely difficult and three is basically unheard of. No one is good at everything. In fact most people aren't even good at one thing.

>>383444043
Everything
To be honest

>>383447060
This desu.

Zelda had better combat, but that's arguable with mods.

>>383465330
It's like the star wars prequels/sequels. So much went wrong with the game that people have this need to talk about it in order to reach some sort of catharsis. Same goes for FO4 too.

>>383437325
>Morrowind
>need a magic skill at 90 to reach the top rank in the Mages Guild
I hate the you're the greatest thing ever for no reason in Skyrim shit

>>383444043
>Name 1 (ONE) thing that Skyrim does better than BotW.

passive storytelling
the size and detail of towns
voiced dialogue for all NPCs
more intimately detailed map
anime tiddy mods

That's about it, I think.

>>383445773
>>383445773
>The dark brotherhood questline in oblivion is still one of the best side questlines ever
>Skyrim has nothing that can even compete

The Skyrim DB quest is still extremely good. You mostly go out and assassinate people while the story builds up. It's not a simple power fantasy like most of the game. The story is mainly about someone else and some of the side characters even change. The way each of the guild members warm up to slowly is very well done.

The story is about Astrid, who has her cozy little family. Then you and Cicero show up and it upsets her control over it, and by trying to hold on to it at any cost she ends up destroying it horribly.

>>383465330
Worst of all, those same people played hundreds, if not thousands of hours and are filled with vitriol towards the game. Seriously, look at some Steam reviews. None of those bad reviews have like 2-3 hours, but hundreds of hours clocked in.

Why? Why would you do this to yourself? If the game is such shit to you, why would you waste months of your life playing it when there are literally thousands of games on the market for you to play.

>>383457727
While I agree with everything else on this list, I hate the part about weapon attacks missing. That's fucking retarded for a real time game. I could understand something like say, attacks glancing off due to high armor rating and doing less damage, but if I thrust my sword straight through someone's chest in a real time game it shouldn't tell me "Oops! your opponent got lucky and it missed!"

>>383437614
Wrong

>>383458354
>New Vegas companions being able to deal with cliffs
Yeah, I'm gonna call bullshit on that. They're fine with hills, but try to make them do anything that requires their feet getting off the ground is impossible. Many times I've had some companion get completely lost simply because I jumped over/off a small bump. (Not that Skyrim isn't the same)

>>383441446
It's a shit game. Thats the whole point of modding it. What's your point?

>>383469610
There's no other game like it. It's a really fun and engaging toy box to play with that's essentially "build your own fantasy game". I have around 400-500 different mods running at the same time, which I also managed to get under the limit by merging half of them. There's no comparison, my game and everyone else's is a completely unique experience. It's all thanks to mods that this shitfest, garbage game is even playable.

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>>383437325
>play oblivion
>every character feels somewhat different
>has a class system

>play skirim
>never have any incentive to play more than one character, all races feel the same, there is no class system either.
>certain sections of the game are heavily "jack of all trades" focused, a big portion of the game which is fighting dragons is atrocious to get through with a true melee only character due to how shit and annoying their flying AI is.

>>383447993
Not him but are you slow or something? Did you even read that post??

>>383438059
15 times doing that fucking red bandit sword quest shit, gotta stop picking up random books in the hope for free levels

>>383459615
whiterun is not imperial. it's run by a jarl

>GREENTEXT
>play skyrim
>legendary difficulty
>so flawed and shit tier
>sneaky archer wins again...
>archer
>archer
>arc..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

>>383447976
Dark Souls to an extent

>>383445550
>the same story with no choices or changes
Thats exactly what happens in Skyrim, you have no meaningful impact on the world beyond deciding if this one NPC from this one village still continues to exist after you complete the quest.
Dark Brotherhood questline is the biggest fuck you to anyone who might want to play in a different way, you just get some gold and miss out on ton of conent.

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>>383445773
>The dark brotherhood questline in oblivion is still one of the best side questlines ever
No it's not, you idiot. There's no branching, no significant choices, absolutely zero consequences, no skill checks, no stat checks, no nothing. The only quest that offers multiple solutions is the locked mansion one, and it's over in like five minutes.
You like the writing, the characters or the missions? That's great, but that's not what makes an RPG questline good. Might as well praise San Andreas for its 'RPG questlines'. You need more than a consecutive series of missions to qualify, and Oblivion doesn't cut it.

>>383471725
Install the mod that makes previously unread books glow. It makes skill books glow a different color and helps me with book collection.

>>383437325
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYLADaTrE-w

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>>383472813

>>383441176
Skyrim is as much of a normalfag game as cod you nigger.

>>383471725
you should know by now all the skill books will have high values and everything else will say less than 10 gold

>>383448323
>New Vegas
Bethesda didn't make New Vegas, you dumbo.

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>>383472894
The fuck did you just make me watch?

>>383446724
Your a fucking liar because everytime I try to get that mod to work it never fucking works

Fucking never.

Please teach me your wisdom

>>383439056
Nobody said you shouldn't be able to join, but it should be something other than a fucking level 2 fireball.

i have never played a single bethesda game

should i buy any, todd?

>>383472813
>no skill checks, etc
on the contrary didn't all of the contracts have bonus conditions? Granted they are optional and don't result in failure as long as you can kill the person and get away.
For instance, the first time I did those quests I was not a sneaky character. I was unable to sneak into the old man in Bruma's house and loosen the trophy mounted on the wall to make it look like an accident. Instead I had to just straight up murder him, and his manservant managed to get away and alert the guards. I escaped but needless to say I failed the checks to get the bonus.

What are you doing magic for when all you need is poison.
https://youtu.be/uJ9GaYGJEWE

>>383440513
>I don't know why you people always talk shit about magic when you can break the game with firebolt spells.
why should i spam firebolt for 5 minutes in one draugr when i can one shot him with literally anything else?

>>383449273
You forget that you literally can't fuck up the Thieves Guild quests in Skyrim. The first two have options that, by all rights, should see you never joining up at all. But you can utterly botch them and they just give you a slap on the rump and let you keep going. Hell, the later missions don't even have anything resembling a fail state. Get caught by the guards, kill everyone you see, steal everything in broad daylight, who cares? The Thieves Guild isn't about subtlety, it's about taking shit!

>>383472958
>oblivion kiddo can't prove him wrong
i liked the DB questline but fuck off holy shit
worse fanbase than Skyrim

>>383439572
the real question is: why the fuck did you never sleep?

it takes like 20 seconds of your time at most, and gives you an XP bonus for hours so you level up everything faster

>>383459436

Console limitations
I say this as a primarily console player.

Why they don't break the area down into a few different smaller sections with load screens instead of just gimping the town/city I will never know.

>hurr skyrim is garbage
gee, big fucking news

>>383457640
painfully true. Skyrim is just Dragur/Dwemer Dungeon Simulator.

>>383474269

Skyrim and Fallout 4 are both just

>Go to place
>Kill X
>Acquire items from place
>Return

Whole fucking game
Can't let you kill our special NPCs who send you out to those places!

Kinda surprised Todd didn't just go all-in and make Alduin a shapeshifter and his second phase would be him splitting into a draugr army.

>>383449314
but 'should of' is the meme

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>>383459436

the best quest is the dog one
I wish I could have kept sucj powerful dogger

>the good
Daedric quests, Dragonborne, interesting tidbits here and there, Blackreach

>the bad
Mage's college, dark brotherhood, the civil war, the main quest

>the ugly
Radiant anything, thieves guild, Markarth, Dawngaurd, thieves guild

>>383437325
stop plaiyng such an old fuckign
game

>>383439913
I agree with you. I also enjoyed the fact that you need to know how to use swords in order to hit the broad side of an N'Wah.
also fuck Cliffracers.

>>383438059
use console commands to drop Quest Items.

>>383475702
there are 2 more in the market district, plus the mage headquarters
check mate

>>383443624
I would recommend SkyUI and Quick Loot. I recently started using them and they enchanted my experience.

>>383438212
Of course barrier of entry was low, you are a worthless sack of shit apprentice who only gets shitty jobs for someone who is learning.

But try completing the guild quests without skill in their respective talents and tell me how that goes.

>They will never top the Oblivion mansion quest for the dark bortherhood

>>383441460
>Why are there no barriers to what any given build can do?

There are no builds.

>>383477135
You can't help people who choose to be retarded anon, only pray to Akatosh for them.

>accidentaly got the Marcer's plans and the Chillren sword before joining the Thieves Guild
>the quest Pursuit is completely bugged, won't start at all after Hard Answers even after I returned the items in the mansion and used 200 different console commands to start the quest
>thieves guild can't be finished on my 80 hours savegame
Goddamit

>>383477386
Report it on Bethesda forums. They are always swift with bug fixes :^)

>>383477386
Had something similar happen on my 360 playthrough, had a good amount of hours in. The mages guild quest with the strange Dwemer observatory machine broke and wouldn't activate anymore. Couldn't finish it.

>>383439650
"The heart of the cards"

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>>383437325
>you can become ARCHMAGE without knowing how to cast a fucking spell
>people are defending this
what the fuck

>>383477386
>>383477502
Can't you fix it with console?

For me, the achievement for collecting Daedric artifacts bugged - I took some time collecting them all, but it didn't unlock.

>>383477748
>Master every magic school
>Become Archmage
>Invincible unstoppable mage
>"Go cast your fancy magic someplace else"

>>383477843
As I said, the console commands won't fix anything. I tried resetting the hard answers quest dozens of times, forcing the quest to start with setStage TG07, teleporting Karliah to Red flagoon, nothing seems to work. I may have to use a savegame editor just to start the fucking quest, it something like that even exists.

>>383477748
How about instead we talk about if you want to cast any cool spells you need to fucking grind magic so fucking much, I really hate how long it takes in skyrim to master something

I think the problem was that your rank in the guild was determined by how far in the quest line you were. It should be determined by both quest line and skill.

>>383478017
But that's wrong.
Any skill that you actively use will normally get maxed through your playthrough.

>>383438101

>american xbox audience

plz leave neogaf

>>383478134
that is not fucking true at all

>>383446230
>so that makes sense.
Now that´s a sentence that should never be uttered in connection with a bethesda game.

>>383446645
Yeah, it is the only thing that is worth mentioning, everything else is just embellishment.

>>383474109
More like engine limitations.
TW3 had much bigger cities despite also being on consoles, while trying to merge all of FNV's Strip with mods will often cause crashes on PC

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>>383476812

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>game lets you to be anything you want to be
>somehow its a negative

Fucking retards, Skyrim is the best RPG ever made

>>383444043
Mod Support

>>383444043

Lore.

>>383478331
new vegas is good

>>383439572
werewolf furfag detected

>>383478396
3 is better

>>383478331
>game lets you to be anything you want to be WITHOUT ANY CONSEQUENCE
>somehow that is not an incredibly lazy negative
>somehow Skyrim deserves to be called an RPG without having a lick of roleplaying
>somehow player count is an argument
And candy crush is the best game there is.

>>383437325
If you've started the Main Quest and are proven to be Dragonborn, instead of casting a spell you can Shout to gain access.

I like that way a lot better. There hasn't been a Dragonborn in ages, it makes sense that with the return of the dragons the college would want to study a Thu'um user.

Mage's guild in Oblivion was by far the weakest faction quest line of that game, so it seems like Bethesda just doesn't know where they want to go with the group

>>383438993

Oh, shut the fuck up.

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>playing a warrior character
>get enchanting to 100 though to get decent armor/weapons
>need more perk points for combat sills
>craft '-100% mana cost for alteration' equipment set
>grab a platter with telekinesis to level alt.
>can hold forever and get 100 alt. in a few minutes
>get level ups/perks
>reset alt. and do it all again for more perks
Who else /minmaxingfaggot/?

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Skyrim thread? Which one of those should I get?

>>383478495
>look mommy such a hipster i am can i get an award nooow?????

Faggot contratard

>>383478608
Nightsky

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SKSE64 WHEN TODD?!