What is it called when a writer utterly rapes his own work? This

>>383429086

Didn't he get revived in X-2?

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>>383429086

>Teedus getting his head blown off by kicking a bomb he mistakes for a blitzball

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi96ucB7ZdI

>>383429086
>What is it called when a writer utterly rapes his own work?

It's called "I want a paycheck."

>>383429263
That sounds like one of those videos of goats yelling.

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Why does he hate Teedus so much?
>Gets his blown off and dies
>Yuna brings him back to life but he isn't the same anymore
>Yuna breaks up with him which defeats the purpose of two whole fucking games

>>383429086
Relax it doesn't affect you. Who cares if some dude took a shit all over his lore? It's his to do what he wants with.

>>383429086
I remember hearing that it was actually fan fiction that the writer had come upon, and decided to make canon because he liked it better than what he had written himself.

>>383429086
>Teedus getting his head blown off by kicking a bomb he mistakes for a blitzball and being revived by Yuna is canon.

How is that bad? it sounds fucking hillarious.

>>383429198
He gets revived at the end of FFX

>>383429559
I think that was on one of those "hilarious" fake news sites

>>383429086
Sounds good, he should stay dead.

>>383429539
There's always one of these types of people on any forum.

Teedus getting his head blown off will never not make me smile.

Pulling a George Lucas/Ridley Scott. I wonder what Yuna's new love interest looks like. I hope they get together and make out in front of Teedus.

>>383429263
Do you have the link for the one where they add raunchy music and hentai sex noises over this?

>>383429834
Wait i never read any of those stories what happened in X2 and X2.5 ?

>>383429818
Rational?

>>383429086
>watching the end of FFX
>very emotional scene where Yuna falls through Tidus and starts crying while begging him not to go
>I think about this book and burst out laughing

As retarded as Blitzbomb Tidus was, I'm curious about the interquel written between Final Fantasy XIII-2 and Lightning Returns. It couldn't have been pretty, given how badly things went to shit for 500 years before Lightning woke back up.

>>383429086
Didn't even check out the audio drama in the collection. How bad it is?

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>Tidus kicks a bomb and gets his head blown off. His head has a shocked expression on it as it lands next to Yuna who faints
>Yuna brings him back to life
>Auron suddenly has a daughter
>She's the biggest bitch and annoying cunt in FF history
>Yuna is back to being a religious nutjob which completely erases all character development she got in FF X-2
>Tidus and Yuna break up because.. reasons
>Sin is back because... reasons
>All of this is canon
If I gave two fucks about FF X lore I would be so pissed that something I cared about got shitted on this hard

>>383429981
In X2.5 Tidus see's a blitzball that's actually a painted bomb or whatever, runs up to it, kicks it, and it exploded and decapitated Tidus, then Tidus' decapitated head lands in Yuna's lap, and she screams and faints or something.
Thats all I can remember about it.

>>383430171
"reddit gets a chance to write a followup" bad

>>383430365
This sounds ridiculous, even by FF standards.

>>383430171
see>>383430360

>>383429086
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Laconic/TorchTheFranchiseAndRun

>inb4 tvtropes
This still isn't a good name for it, i'd maybe go with Death of the Author?

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Would you buy Final Fantasy X-3 /v/?

>>383430360
What I want to know is is there supposed to be a followup to this whole trainwreck. What is this meant to build up to? Another book, audio drama, or a fucking game that'll take ten years to make?

FF7 has it far worse than FF10.

you can ignore everything that happens after the game as a 'what if' scenario

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>>383430360
>re-revived Tidus is different which is why Yuna breaks up with him
>they don't explain why
>and then the Farplane starts shitting out real things instead of monsters/dreams
>they don't explain why
>Tidus lives in Bevelle and Yuna is her girlfriend until she says she isn't his girlfriend and she has a boyfriend instead but they are boyfriend and girlfriend and go on a journey together to fix the farplane with is broken for unexplained reasons
>oh and Tidus is injured from his death and it's not explained why he is injured despite that he was revived

>>383430929
God no, the story would probably be even more raped than it was in X-2.5

>>383429983

irrrational since as people consume media, it does affect them.

>>383430932
Probably nothing, it's just the perfect way to forever leave a sour aftertaste to the FFX saga. Character development? Undone. All the struggle with Sin? Undone. Character relations? Undone. It makes everything so pointless, that it's absolutely absurd.

>>383430960
›GACKT
Fuck dirge of cerberus

Didn't Yuna bring Tidus back by fucking his headless corpse or something? I don't think I'm misremembering that.

>>383429086
Lucasfilming.

>>383431349
What did you try to do?

>>383431349
That's a new meme arrow.

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>>383431395
Oh god please let this be true

to be honest ffx is the downfall of the final fantasy

even as a 15 year old I knew 10 was shit compared to the previous games

>11 mmorpg, doesn't count
>12, vaan added last minute, destroyed the continuity of the story, while if Basch stayed MC it would have been probably very good
>13 linear hallway, the game, departure from the thing that made FF a successful series - the battle system
>14 - mmorpg, doesn't count (1.0 was a failure tho)
>15 - haven't played but reception is mixed i've heard

>>383431395
They call it "beckoning"

And once Yuna does it, they never explain what it does, how it works, and also they never beckon anyone else, ever.

>>383431349
lol

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>>383431395
>>383430360
good thing i never played this shit what the fuck

>>383431881
FF8 was the downfall.

That was the first one they decided they needed to tie the game to marketing pop music.

I just live happily ignoring absolutely everything that is supposed to come after FFX.

>>383431881
FF12 is also an aborted MMO which was changed to a single player RPG at the last minute.

>>383431881
If 14 wouldn't "count" as a good game, why are you "counting" 1.0 as a failure?

>>383429086
>What is it called when a writer utterly rapes his own work?
George Lucas

>>383431940
That's from the light novels, the games story aren't that fucking stupid, though X-2's comes close.

>>383432073
FF7 was the downfall.
That was the first one they decided it had to be done in 3D

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Why is this so fucking funny?
Who the fuck thought that having tidus mistake a bomb for a blitzball, which then proceeds to blow his head off sounded good?
Fucking kek, I will never not find this shit pure comedy kino

>>383432086
I just live happily ignoring absolutely everything that is supposed to come after every day in my life

I'm so glad I only played FFX (it is my favorite in the entire series), and didn't bother with X-2 or anything else that was shit out. As far as I'm concerned, only FFX was canon, and that's the end of Tidus' story.

>>383432197
FF4 was the downfall.
That was the first one they introduced the shitty ATB gameplay and prioritized story and graphics over gameplay.

it was raped with x-2 i dont see why this made people so triggered, i just disregard everything but X

>>383432327
FF1 was the downfall.
That was the first one.

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>>383432327
Nigga FF4 was the start of the Golden Age of Final Fantasy. Let's be honest FF 1 - 3 was shit and completely forgettable. It's literally comparable to Season 1 of The Simpsons. Yeah it laid the ground work but it's aged horribly and is just shit and boring. The Simpsons got it's groove in Season 2 and became amazing starting with Season 3 where as FF got its groove with FF 4 and became amazing with FF 5

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>>383432274
>I'm so glad I only played FFX (it is my favorite in the entire series)

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>>383429086
6 > 5 > 7 > 4 > 3 > 9 > 1 > 10 > 10-2 > 13-2 > 8 > 12 > 13 > 2

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Okay lets do this

7 > 6 > 9 > 10 > 5 > 4 > 8 > 15 > 12 > 1 > 3 > 13 > 2

It is so bad it makes me question the sanity of the writer.

6>5>9>10>4>7>>>3>2>1>>>>>shit>>>>>>foot fetish>>>13>>>>>8

>>383429086
What about the Japanese fans? What did they think of this?

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X-2 was already fanfiction tier

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>>383433034
I find it more surprising that Square actually signed off on this. Like, nobody at Square saw this and laughed it off as a joke. Tetsuya Nomura never even reached this level of insanity and his stories are batshit insane

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12 > 10 > 8 > 7 > 9
Haven't played the others and never will.

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>>383429479
>That gif
Holy fuck my sides

>>383432947
8>5>7>4>11>12>9>2>3>10>1>6

>>383432924
>>383432947
Only what I've finished
10 > 9 > 7 > 3 = 4 > 15

Every one I've played
10 > 9 > 7 > 3 = 4 > 5 > 15 > 1 = 6 > 8

>Sin is revived

This kills FFX for me.
Everything in both games was killed the moment this happened.

Any of you guys see Final Fantasy Distant Worlds concert?

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>>383429086
>This is fucking canon.

>>383433494
There was so much funny OC from a few years ago when X-2.5 came out. I wished I saved most of it

>>383429086
Haven't they mentioned the possibility of an FFX-3 eventually? That makes this novel's existence even worse.

meth of the author

>>383429765
I've never seen a story about FFX on CNN

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>>383433740
X-3 will be about Braska's pilgrimage.

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>Tidus is killed in a freak accident but summoned back by Yuna as an unsent with him unaware of his status as such, and this causes them to break up. The dead are returning to Spira including the return of Sin, and Auron has a long-lost daughter that is trying to get the party back into action to stop it. The novel also includes a lot of backstory including a parallel version of Spira during during the Zanarkand-Bevelle war, and a pantheon of five "gods" that predates Yevon and have their own laws on summoners and summons, their summons called "Jūshin," a type of summoning that relies on what is implied to be a sexual connection between a summoner and their summon.

>They explore the forest hoping to find a clue on how to return home when Tidus mistakes a bomb for a blitzball and is killed in an explosion. He is brought back by Yuna's feelings for him, although Tidus does not realize what has happened

No matter which summary of it I can find online, it will never not sound stupid

>>383430365
>In X2.5 Tidus see's a blitzball that's actually a painted bomb or whatever, runs up to it, kicks it, and it exploded and decapitated Tidus, then Tidus' decapitated head lands in Yuna's lap, and she screams and faints or something.

This is some Tom & Jerry level shit

>>383429086

>What is it called when a writer utterly rapes his own work?
Poetry.

>>383429919

>Ridley Scott
Prometheus is hardly on the level of Star Wars, Metroid or Final Fantasy. Ridley Scott also didn't write it.

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>>383433652
Written by the same writer who wrote FF X and X-2 and Square confirmed that X-2.5 and the audio drama in the HD Remasters are all canon

How can FFX-3 be raping when FFX was already poorly written and FFX-2 already was a joke?

Do Tidus canon fuck Yuna? When I say canon, I mean not any of this 'vaguely implied' shit too.
Is there even any vaguely implied shit as well though? I have my doubts for both. Sounds like head canon.

>>383432107

because it almost bankrupted the entire company

>>383434181
Well, she does fuck his headless corpse to revive him. Sounds like perfect head canon to me.

>>383434181

All Tidus and Yuna did in the first game was kiss in a pond and have a teenage flirt. Yet the story tries to make it out that they had some kind of Princess Bride level eternal bond. I'm confident that the writer of FFX-2 and 2.5 are just trolling the fanbase who took such a weak love story to be so perfect.

>>383430981
and apparently he has become an anchor to sin, as long as he exists so will sin

>>383432223
It just seems so ridiculous looking at what he did in FFX he defeated a giant spirit whale that terrorized Spira for a thousand years among other things then dies because he kicked a fake blitzball bomb? It sounds like some kind of ridiculous slapstick humor like if Cloud died because a drunk driver hit his motorcycle, it just sounds so absurd knowing what they had accomplished before.

>>383434296

I wish it did. But sadly, while FFXIV was a disaster, 2.0 and on has made all that money back, plus several times more.

It did finally get Wada kicked out though.

>>383433917
They can pull some kingdom hearts bullshit and call it Final Fantasy X-0.2 or X-0.3475498735

>>383434447
Man, I hate it when authors do that. My mind is already aching as it tries to repress examples.

Oh fuck one is here.Fuck you Araki. Fuck you for killing off Johnny after he accomplished every weebs dream. Fuck you as well for killing Jotaro like nothing.

Seriously though, I don't know why authors do this.

>>383434447
Exactly anon. That is bang on correct. That is LITERALLY what makes it so fucking hilarious.
After all of the crazy shit they make it through in FFX, after all of the odds they overcome, he dies because he mistook a fucking bomb for a blitzball, like holy shit kek. And that's not even the end of the comedy, his HEAD gets blown off and rolls right by Yuna. Come on now, who thought this was a good idea? Really now. Jesus christ.

>>383433202
They burned all their merchandise, and sent death threats.

The usual.

>>383434727
Is that true? That would be swell.

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What's a worse rape of your own work? This or what Toriyama is doing with Dragon Ball Super?

>>383434727
We aren't so different after all.

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>>383429263

>>383432947
X > VI > V > IX > VII > VIII > III > IV > XII > I > XIII > II > XV
Not trying to be objective, just my opinion
XV objectively sucks though

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>>383432947
Of what I've played:

4 > 1 > 15 > Crystal Chronicles > Lightning Returns > 13-2 > 13

Though I actually enjoyed 13-2 the most because I have shit tier taste. I rated them for how I think they play out critically.

>>383434727

>They burned all their merchandise, and sent death threats.
After buying it though. That's how Final Fantasy continues to survive. Everyone bitches up a storm, but after buying the latest game. FFVII Remake is going to be the biggest shitstorm in Japanese gaming history. But all the fans will still buy it.

>>383435073

Toriyama doesn't care about his work and has been writing Dragon Ball on the fly from the beginning. He was never serious about it and wanted the thing to end halfway through DBZ. He was just having fun with it from the start.

The writers of Final Fantasy on the other hand treat their writing as being super serious. Both in tone and defending it. Which makes games like FFIV, VII and X pretty sad once you realize the writers still think that was actually good writing.

>>383435397
I hope you're planning to play the rest

>>383435098
I actually think the Japs take shit even worse than we do. I remember when Ash lost the Kalos League finals they sent death threats to the studio.

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>>383434702
Is that a rogue Jojo reference I see there?

>>383435073
>Manga and anime running at the same time
>oh well, they will probably be the same thing
>events happen completely different in each version and fans are at each other's throats
>meanwhile, Toriyama is making money from both works with minimal effort

Toriyama never really took anything serious and now he can make easy money again by basically doing nothing besides giving the roughest outlines of plots. Business genius.

>>383432947

Theathrythm > XIV > IV DS > X > VIII > VI > VII > the rest are below mediocre

>>383435507
Hope to eventually. What would you recommend I start with?

>>383435728
If you feel like 2D:
V for fun leveling mechanics and light hearted adventure
VI for dramatic story and big nonlinear endgame

If you want 3D:
VII for a diverse roller coaster of a journey
IX for its great classic fantasy adventure vibe
X for the best combat in the series and an entertaining story

>>383429086
everything after FFX isn't canon.

>>383436753
that means FFVII isn't canon either

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>>383436609
>Rock paper scissors
>Best combat

>>383436807
I guess so.

>>383436827
Many normal battles do boil down to that, but it also has a great turn order system, snappy pace and fun puzzle bosses.
Which Final Fantasy do you think has the best combat?

Doesn't the bomb just kill him? Where did it say anything about blowing his head off?

>>383436827

Every FF game has that. What's your point? Even the 'hard' FF games like FFIII and IV on DS are just 'spam slow, blink and haste and then attack endlessly'.

The later games don't even require you to use skills. FFX is very shallow, but so are all the FF games.

>>383437276
the head rolls up to her feet if I remember correctly.

>>383437276
It said that his head lands in Yuna's lap and she faints

>>383437680
>>383437725
you're all full of it

>>383432947
Tifa isn't for lewd

>>383433917
I want this game

>>383435626
I thought for a second thay sounded cool since what I've heard about DBS revolves around multiverses, but then I realized that it's probably just laziness

>>383437929
You're can't handle the truth

>>383438023
It's sadly not 2 parallel DB universes running at the same time. Don't get any hopes in that direction.

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>>383437929
It's okay to be in denial anon. I was in denail too because I thought it was a joke and nobody would be that stupid to shit on a legacy that hard but leave it to Square to prove me wrong everytime

>>383429086
It's not like FFX was some kind of masterpiece of storytelling. The writing in it was always at the level of a young adult novel.

>>383431881
X was mechanically nothing but an improvement on the formula with the sphere-grid. There's no correlation between it and the games afterwards. It was just the last game before they started departure from the formula.

>>383432924
15 > 14 > 13 > 12 > 11=13-2 > 10=13-3 > 9 > 8=10-2 > 7 > 6 > 5 > 4 > 3 > 2 > 1

>>383438089
>>383438281
I don't even particularly like FFX, there's just no way they'd write something that ridiculous. It sounds like a meme and an exaggeration of an already crappy plot.

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>>383438385
Sphere Grid was linear trash though.

>>383438534
You've had like 2 years to accept it.

>Caring about Japanese written anything
There's a reason why the japanese have never written a single worthwhile piece of literature. It's because their culture paired with their mongoloid language will never allow them to make a single worthwhile story.

>>383438586
When you come to Los Angeles you can suck my cock

>>383429086
Is that real? That's fucking hilarious.

X had a less interesting story and cast than XII

>>383438667
I'd rather not go to LA, I heard there are degenerates there.

>>383430612
That's already the name for a much more important concept in art generally (also has its own tvtropes page).

Only good thing about ALL of FFX is Kamari.

>>383432947
any final fantasy >>7

I can't believe you shitters are still eating it up.

>>383433917
>The shoopuff that Jecht attacked is a boss.
>You lose all your gil after the fight.

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>>383438534
>Putting tension in a story and accepting that natural selection gets rid of the idiots in the world is a crappy plot
You idiots are too used to happy endings, go back to jacking off to Tifa

Lads, listen.
I want to have sex with Yuna. I bet her untouched cunny would feel absolutely incredible to just plunge your dick into.

>>383432947
4 > 12 > 7 > 8 > 5 > 6 > 2 > 10 > 9 > 13

Haven't played 15

>>383431395
That was a mistranslation. Yuna learns a story about how a summoner in Zanarkand 1000 years ago forged the bond with her guardian necessary to call the final aeon by riding his dick. Yuna then uses her love for Tidus to summon his spirit back as a Fayth, or some shit. Early translators mixed it up and said that Yuna was riding on Tidus instead.

Which is a shame because it's 1000x funnier that way

>>383429479

>Be on /v/ the day the translations for this book come out
>Meme onslaught ensues

That was one of my favorite days here.

>>383439530
I wonder how many stories were ruined because of poor translation?

>>383432947
7 = 9 > 11 > 12 > 5 > 6 > 14 > 4 > 15 > 1 > 2 > 3 > 8 = 10 = 13

XIII-2 goes = 13
LR goes > 15
X-2 goes just below 12

>>383434043

Arguably the only thing objectively wrong with Prometheus is that they let Lindelof write it.

He's the source of everything anyone complains about in the movie.

>>383434405

I always interpreted the pond scene as implied sex.

>>383440197
But Kimahri is watching.

>>383440030
That's one of the better lists in the thread, but I don't get your hate for 10

>>383440258

They're into it.

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>>383439042
>being a furry
End your life now

>>383440291
It's not hate, the game just has a lot of flaws, and it's very similar to 8 and 13 in many ways. I'd be willing to concede that it is overall more engaging and less blatantly flawed than those games though, so you can just as well shift it to be 10 > 8 = 13, maybe even put 10 above 2 and 3.

>>383439042

You mean the guy I never leveled up at all and only used once when I had to fight those two assholes on the mountain?

>>383440537
>the game just has a lot of flaws
Then XV should be at the end of your list with a copious amounts of >>>>>>>, now that is a piece of shit I've ever seen one. Doesn't even have launchers.

>>383439042
The game hates Kimahri

>has no unique role in the combat system
>limit break is completely overshadowed by Rikku
>is missing during one of the best grinding sections in the middle of the game
>least dialogue of all the characters
>ultimate weapon locked behind annoying minigame (though many characters had this)
>no use at all in an endgame party

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>>383437996
Tifa is literally built for sex

>>383429954

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcVkjejnOok

>>383441058
You forgot that he has Flare in his Grid which is pretty good.

>>383440537
Your list seems to follow a specific pattern with the preferred against the most hated
It seems liking one makes you dislike the following game

Also, 2 is one of the worst, probably even worse than 13

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>>383441118
I remember the first time I saw this. I had to pause the video. I was laughing so hard I started to cry. It's still brilliant. Shitposting has reached godly levels and I fucking love it

>>383441058
>The game hates Furries

Good, Furries are a disease that need to be purged

>>383430612

Death of the Author is when idiots take "BUT THAT'S JUST A THEEEEEEEEEEEORY" and run with it to pretend their fanfiction is real

>taking japanese tie-in novels seriously

I remember one that revealed a bad guy was actually shat out by his mother in a toilet and had to live on her feces as a baby.

This was for a children's show.

>>383441271
>>383440827
The whole bottom half of that list (anything under 4) is largely interchangeable tbqh. The top 4 spots are the only ones that I'd say I'm locked in on 100%.

>>383441670
Asakura had a hard life.

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>Teedus getting his head blown off by kicking a bomb he mistakes for a blitzball and being revived by Yuna is canon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcQSGB-eb9M

>>383439865
Not this one.

Tidus really did get his head blown the fuck off. There was no saving it.

Can't wait to see Tidus in FFX-3 if they do ever make one.

I can just imagine his limit break Blitz Ace but when you missed the bar the ball explodes in his face sending his head to the monster instead of the ball to do damage lmao.

How is the writer still employed?

>>383443064
He left Squeenix like 10 years ago man

>>383443064

He wrote for games that sold massively well. Even though marketing was the reason and not his writing.

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>>383430929
If Yuna got another updated costume, then yes.

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>>383443845
>Lightning

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>>383444054
The fuck is up with her body?

>>383431395
I feel like this thread has thoroughly spoiled FFX for me but I'm dying with laughter so it's a worthwhile trade

>>383445060
It's a trash story so don't worry about it

So was the fucking Teedus corpse thing real?

>>383445470
Sorta, I mean Tidus was just a dream of Sin's afterall...

So wait, what does that make Yuna fucking Tidus' head then? Was Yuna in Sin's wetdream?

>>383430929
Yeah but this time I want actual lesbian scenes rather than the teasing lime of X-2

>>383433917
Awaken my masters

>>383444185
it was designed by a repressed Japanese metrosexual

>>383431881
>mmorpg, doesn't count
What is this meme all about? Such a common opinion here and it's utterly absurd. Every game since 9 is completely different from the previous, why single out the MMOs as if they don't count? Count towards what, even? They are as much a valid entry as any other.

>>383445958
Everyone already knows you fapped to this as a kid anon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLlvM6OziYI

>>383444185

Lightning started off as a 'female version of Cloud'. And the designers took it too literally.

>>383444185

Nothing about that woman is ideal.

>>383446354
Was it ever explained where Paint came from. I don't remember much about this game at all. Mostly I just remember thinking Yuna got herself a domme Butch and thought that was pretty weird.

>>383444185
>shoulders too wide
>hips too thin
>ugly face
>tits too small
How is this ideal?

>>383432947
Bravely Default > 6 > 7 > 9 > 10 > 12 > 5 > 4 > 3 > 1 > 13 > 2
15 is not a Final Fantasy game

>>383433415
>9 last
Garnet is the most beautiful woman in the world and that alone makes 9 the best game ever for me

>>383447667
If Agnès wasn't a character, BD would probably be my favourite. As is, I can't bring myself to finish the game.

>>383447101
Paine has a bromance-y subplot that's told in spheres iirc. It was pretty good. Really most of the stuff outside the main plot was alright in X-2.

>>383447784
Unacceptable!

>>383438335
X honestly had the best story. Not the best writing but the story was interesting

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>>383446420
>Nothing about that woman is ideal.

Oh yeah fucko?

You're absolutely right. But post proof of your claim.

Which prelude is the best?
I'm going with this fucked up thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FhS5eRD6iM

>>383432947
6>4>2>9>1>>>>>>>>>8
Never finished 7 so I can't really rate it.

>>383448252
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPx3h5bwXVQ

>>383441118
This is how I imagine his first first time with Yuna sounded like

>>383443845
Literally the only way Lightning is even acceptable is in fan art rendering. Pathetic.

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>>383429539
>"hey there's a continuation of the ffx story maybe we can drum up enough interest to get it localized so we can buy it"
>"nope its fucking shit, im keeping my money"
It's so easy to spot unaccomplished mouthbreathers like you who have never meaningfully contributed to anything.

>>383444185
>Ideal female proportions
In what fucking universe

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>>383448146

You won't like the type of girl I think is ideal so have some Prier instead.

>>383448985
>You won't like the type of girl I think is ideal
DFC, furry, or girl (male)?

Will Final Fantasy ever be fantasy again?

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>>383448759
Ok, so I tried, but I can't find any "good" pictures of lightning.

I'm done digging in the gutters though, apparently Lightning isn't even good enough to be trash.

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>>383449271
>You know why they're called Final Fantasy?
>Because your final fantasy with the series is the games being good!

>>383449473
I don't get it.

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>>383449201

Chubby Shortstack

>>383429086
>I just don't understand why would you tarnish your own story and characters like that

And the icing on the shit sundae is that after they did all that Square Enix doesn't even plan on making an X-3 or going any further with it.

Yeah. So after they completely rape and shit all over their own canon then they leave it open on a completely unnecessary manufactured cliffhanger that will never be resolved.

>>383447667
It's more of one than 13, 13 had like no final fantasy fan service

>>383449473
What?

>>383449618
We are two of soul, anon.

>>383443845
>Lightning with ass

good joke

>>383449271
It is fantasy and always has been.

No, fantasy does not mean Tolkien, nor does it mean you can't have technology bullshit.

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>>383449271

Technically Science Fiction started off as fantasy. But no, it won't ever be dragons and medieval worlds again, aside from the rare spin off. Dragon Quest already became too synonymous with the setting. And Final Fantasy tried to compete with them for two generations. It was only able to surpass Dragon Quest when it went scifi.

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>>383443845
christ that art looks awful
>>383444054

>>383449693
Yeah, everything about it feels like the people responsible absolutely despise and revile their fanbase and wanted to piss them off. I cannot think of any other reason to do what they did.

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>>383449473
DOOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO

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>>383449931
Will Final Fantasy ever have a girl to surpass Jessica?

>>383450341
Tifa did nearly a decade before.

>>383450134
Not really.

The dude just really like his story, and was going to release another book that finished up the story ... again. Turns out he never got the chance because 2.5 was universally panned by everyone in Japan.

>>383430360
What the fucking shit! I actually loved the ending of FFX and enjoyed FFX-2 even if I felt Tidus should have remained dead for sadness. Time to dump these into non-canonicity.

>>383450438
Too bad, they're canon.

And they will be forever, since they're never going to back to the story.

>FFX's theme is moving on from the past
>future installments refuse to move on from the past

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>>383450341

Jessica is a bad example since she's one of the only lackluster DQ girls. Oh she's hot, but her character is totally one dimensional. I'd go so far as to say she's the only flaw Dragon Quest VIII has as a whole. Tifa has her same body but also a better personality.

Any other DQ girl though is better than any FF girl you can compare her to.

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>>383450995
ANY FF girl?

>>383429086

The only canon of FF X is FF X itself OP.
Yuna feel in love with a dream and the dream ended. That´s it.

The same aplyies to FF VII and VII spin offs.
Nothing of that Angiel shit and Sephiroth friends is real or canon. It just a capitalization of plotholes for retconing shit.

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>>383451095
Especially Yuffie.

>>383450536
Ah well it's not mass effect 3 ending tier.. yet. We have to kill this series now before they pull a catalyst and that random bird n the cut scene was actually yu yevon and sin.

>>383451095

Yes. Alena and Barbera do Yuffie's airhead genki better than Yuffie did.

>>383451207
>Ah well it's not mass effect 3 ending tier.. yet

Did you miss the part where Tidus's head gets blown up by a blitzball shaped mine?

And it lands in Yuna's lap?

And then after she wakes up from fainting, she fucks his head?

And then he comes back to life?

And then they break up instantly?

>>383429582
I think she also carries his head around like some kind of fucking good luck charm or something

>>383451207
It's so very close. X-2 fucked up X's story but this is something else entirely. X-2 was an accidental fuck up. X-2.5 seems more malevolent. Teedus and Yuna's love was supposed to be true and the primary reason why they were able to grow into the heroes they were. X-2.5 killed that. Sin was the result of Yu Yevon being a nigh perfect summoner and a knee jerk reaction from a hopeless situation. Now he's back just because. Who the fuck is this daughter Auron had? Where did she come from? Why didn't we hear word one from her through 2 games? When Yuna was a fucking celebrity?

>>383430360
>killed Sin's Fayth
>comes back anyways
waow

>>383451653
Auron's daughter is Sin's imagination, just like Teedus.

Again.

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>>383451205
>>383451447

>>383451521
>Did you miss the part where Tidus's head gets blown up by a blitzball shaped mine?
Give me ONE (1) reason why this is a bad addition to the lore, it's tonally consistent and perfect believable with the established lore of Spira.

>>383438503
highly underrated post

>>383451521
>And then after she wakes up from fainting, she fucks his head?
>And then he comes back to life?
That's not what happened. Although it may as well be considering how much it fucked X. What actually happens is Yuna wanders off and meets a guy who supposedly a super summoner or something like that. Who tells Yuna that summoners have way more potential than she knows. Like she can make anything using Pyreflies. So she uses the ability to recreate Tidus. But she can't do it the way Fayth can so Tidus is more hollow and not himself.

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>>383451858
Good Yuffie's easier to find than Lightning at least.

>>383451653
Not going to hear me disagreeing with that lol.

>>383451736
This problem started with X-2. Because X-2 brought Aeons back even though they were supposed to be sent to the Farplane.

>OMG YOU KILLED YUNALESCA THERE'S NO MORE HOPE

Why are you angry? Apparently going to the Farplane affects nothing. Yuna made the Pilgrimages easier.

>>383451938
You know what?

Technically, you're completely right about that first point.

Doesn't change the fact that the rest of it terrible and shit, but yeah, the first point does make sense.

>>383452173
That is the worst fan art I have ever seen, no hyperbole.

>>383452009
>So she uses the ability to recreate Tidus.

You know that ability's Beckoning?

And that Beckoning is loosely described as fucking?

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>>383452309
let me change that

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>>383452309
Do NOT tempt me.

>>383444054
Cidney is just as bad but people here still fawn over her.

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>>383452493
>>383452507
What the fuck is this shit? Post more.

>>383452556
who

>>383430929
I love FFX so I would not. Just like I love CT and would not buy a sequel.

So was it explained why there were bombs disguised as Blitz Balls on a beach to begin with?

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>>383452680

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>>383452678
You asked for it.

>>383452493
>>383452507
This isn't even close to koala KLK tier yet.

>>383452972
Koala KLK is so bad to me that it wrapped around and I have some weird fascination for it somehow and it's horrible

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>>383452972
it's all I got

>>383452916
That isn't fan art though.

>>383452493
I unironically think this looks kinda cool, I like how the materia looks, glowing on all their equipment.
The only thing that looks bad are half of the faces.

>>383453080
Is the girl behind Cloud the chick who dies at the very beginning during the bombing mission? Jessica I think her name was.

>>383429479
Well he did have YRP act like the biggest of BFFs and come the added dungeon crawler sequel they act like catty bitches to each other and decide it's better for them to split and not bother anymore

>>383453080
>Tifa and Jessie are twins in wigs
>Costanza Wedge
>Cloud as Prince
holy fuck I'm in tears

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>>383452972
Just how bad do we want to get? Even I have my limits, but I could definitely go deeper if we want.

>>383432073
Don't even talk shit about Eyes on Me you tastless faggot

>>383452493
Sad part is, Red XIII and Cait Sith look great, but everyone else looks awful.

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>>383452556
>Cidney is just as bad

Fuck you?

>>383453478
What's wrong with Cid?

>>383432947
9 > 7 > 6 > 5 > 8 > 4 > 10 > 15 > 12 > 3 > 13 > 1 > 2 >>>>>>>>>> 11 & 14

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>>383453625
GOLEM GET YE GONE.
Looks like his neck's all fucked up.

>>383453203
Jessie

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>shitty fan art

Do I win?

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>>383432073

>That was the first one they decided they needed to tie the game to marketing pop music.
The games marketing gimmick was FMVs. Just like FFVII before it. Eyes on Me was a very small part of it. Suteki da Ne in FFX was 100x worse as 1/3 the songs in the game were remixes of it and every commercial focused on that damn water hugging scene.

Also FF was doomed from the start because of its contrarian design style. Always trying to be different from what the previous games did slowly angered the fanbase, as each new game shat on what fans liked in their favorite game.

>>383452507
Honestly, just some 90s Disney tier stuff. Not all that bad compared the rest of that shit, not even a red nose in sight.

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>>383453873
What about shitty official art?

>>383453561
Her back looks like its in pain

>>383453080
Why hasn't anyone made a game where all female characters are played by super buff dudes in drag and nobody acts like there's anything weird about that?

>>383452507
Disney tier, circa Hercules

>>383453995
I like to think that no one is that gay

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Why no posts about best girl?

>>383453995
Mortal Kombat 9

Relm is the best and cutest FF girl
Please post Relm

>>383453885
The only rearrangements of Suteki da Ne are Spira Unplugged, A Fleeting Dream, Yuna's Theme, Game Over and Lord Braska's Daughter. Last I checked X's OST had more than 15 songs in it.

Might I remind you that Melodies of Life Appears FOURTEEN (14) times throughout IX's OST?

>>383454131
S/He's dead bro

>>383446354
How does Rikku have less clothing in X-2 then she did in FFX?

>>383431881
the main complaint with Vaan is he's completely pointless to the story, which he more or less is.

The story sucks because your group in general is not important to anything interesting about it at all. Every single bad guy shit pretty much happens outside what your doing. Until the story suddenly decides to give Ashe an obnoxious forced push just because. Basch being the lead would not have changed anything already fundamentally flawed.

>>383454456
Everyone has less clothes. And even though I know it's pandering, everyone in the world is like that. People in Kilika wear basically nothing. Donna has a combat thong even in X. So she fits in.

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>>383429086
it doenst matter how much it hurts its their work we have to deal with it.....
it doesnt matter if they fuck it up a little right?

>>383454110
You don't have to be gay to think it would be really funny.

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>>383454603
>Barthello didn't hit that
Was he gay?

>>383454160

Five remixes and two versions of Suteki da Ne itself is still pretty damn bad dude. Especially since they play those songs multiple times in different areas of the game.

>Might I remind you that Melodies of Life Appears FOURTEEN (14) times throughout IX's OST?

I wouldn't know since FFIX is one of only two FF games I haven't played yet. But everything I hear about it continues to make me not want to. I will say that at least the actual Melodies of Life song I've heard is way better than the main version of Suteki da Ne. Both the written music and the singer.

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This doesn't seem so bad, but the longer you look at it, the more you want to vomit.

So if understand everything that has been said the FF X lore is this:

FF X
>Tidus and Tuna fall in love but disappeares at the end because he's dead or some shit

FF X-2
>Yuna joins with Rikku to form a sphere hunting group because she saw a sphere with someone that looked like Tidus.
>True ending, Yuna and Tidus reunite and get into a relationship

FF X-2.5
>couple years pass and Yuna and Tidus get flung back thousand years for who the fuck knows
>Tidus kicks bomb thinking it's a football
>Que head on Yuna lap.
>revive Tidus
>get together again I think

FF X-2 last mission
>I have no fucking idea

FF X -last will-
>more time passes
>Yuna and Tidus together
>insert random female friend A that knows Tidus
>Yuna breaks up with Tidus because she thinks he s cheating on her.
>Yuna finds new guy
>Tidus stays as Yuna's guardian because reasons.
>Oh yea, sin is back.

I actually liked FF X, until all this shit happened. And did I miss anything?

>>383454693
He tried. Donna didn't take him up on his offer. Or maybe she did, I never got the 100% ending on that storyline

>>383454160
Melodies of Life is a better arrangement instrumentally than Suteki da Ne.

I do have a soft spot for the piano remixes in 8, although I do not like Eyes on Me.

>>383454787
>This doesn't seem so bad
if you're fucking blind maybe

>>383454737
>Five remixes and two versions of Suteki da Ne itself is still pretty damn bad dude. Especially since they play those songs multiple times in different areas of the game.
To perfectly add to feelings and emotions of the scenes and tie the game together.

>>383435397
Do you unlock outfits as you progress or are they all some DLC shittery?

I got the PC pirate version

>>383454936

Suteki da Ne doesn't add feelings or emotions to anything. It would have to be a good song to do that. Instead, it's a nasal, depressing song that doesn't even fit the cheesy scene it is attached to. Let alone the various other areas it appears.

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>>383454835
>Tidus and Tuna

>>383454835
I was wrong, Yuna broke up with Tidus because she was jealous of Tidus's female friend

>>383455142
Do you hate all Final Fantasy OSTs? All of them use recurring leitmotifs, I can think of ten songs that use the overworld theme from VII in the game.

>>383455221
Gotta love mobile auto correct

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>FF rankings
>not a single fucking mention of tactics
easiest way to spot a shitty FF thread.

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>>383438545
playing around with it and finding the best route to take for getting to the end of the game fastest is still fun to plan out, get right and then apply to practice.

>>383434309
ayyy

>>383434309
Literally underrated.

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>>383455469
FFT is already the indisputable best.

Why would anyone bother ranking it?

>>383454693
He was literally Donna's man slut.

>>383434309
that was too good a post for this thread

>>383455313

>Do you hate all Final Fantasy OSTs?
Can you make an argument with resorting to extremes?

>All of them use recurring leitmotifs, I can think of ten songs that use the overworld theme from VII in the game.
Go ahead and name them. I sure didn't notice that in FFVII. You're also pointing out part of the problem in FFX. In other FF games, they might repeat a theme a few times. But they do it subtlety, with just a few bars in an otherwise unique song. In FFX, they just flat out have Suteki da Ne remixes. It isn't just a couple seconds of an otherwise unique song. The whole song is just Suteki da Ne, note for note. Only this time its 'jazzy'.

>>383455469

Actually, mentioning FFTactics is the easiest way to spot the edgy hipster. Like all those Game of Thrones fans who think they're unique and edgy for mentioning the show.

>>383454519
Vaan kinda is important to the story. He's the one who, by luck, gathers most of the party together. If it weren't for him being a little shit and trying to steal from the castle, he never would have met Balthier or Fran, or Basch and Ashe.

>>383456434
Under the Rotting the Pizza
The Highwind Takes Skies
On That Day 5 Years Ago
Steal the Tiny Bronco
Who Am I?
Staff Roll
North Cave
Tifa's Theme
The Planet's Crisis

>In other FF games, they might repeat a theme a few times.
That isn't true at all though, like in VIII most character themes are rearrangements of Balamb Garden.

Not making musical education mandatory was a mistake.

>>383433652
It's official released material, and it's fucking hilariously bad.

>>383434546
>2.0 and on has made all that money back, plus several times more.

no.. 14 is WILDLY in the red because of development costs. They don't expect to actually turn a real profit for roughly 5 more years. which is reasonable since they released the data with declining retention rates in mind to holders.

>>383456732

>Not making musical education mandatory was a mistake.
Apparently so was not making reading mandatory. Like I said, almost all the songs you named just had a few bars of the song reference the FFVII theme. Under the Rotting Pizza literally just uses four notes of the main theme in an otherwise totally unique song. This is not at all like FFX, where an entire song is just Suteki da Ne, note for note.

>>383456707
Plus he's needed for Ashe to move on and give up her desire for revenge

>>383430360
Sin comes back because of Yuna. By bringing Tidus back she fucks up the farplane and people are coming back to life when beckoned on the farplane.

Someone beckons back Sin.

>>383429086
There are no games or anything after it, so who gives a fuck?

>>383457398
>This is not at all like FFX, where an entire song is just Suteki da Ne, note for note.
None of the rearrangements are note for note, just an example off the top of my head: Spira Unplugged cadences on an E7(13) chord which is nowhere to be found in the original.

Oh and in VII Flowers Blooming in the Church is a rearrangement of Aeris' Theme and Sending a Dream Into Space is a rearrangement of Cid's Theme. I'm sure there are plenty more examples, every FF OST is based around this premise.

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Which is worse, this or IV: The After Years?

>>383457686
Did After Years completely butcher its characters and irrevocably fuck its world?

>>383457381

>no.. 14 is WILDLY in the red because of development costs.

Your example is pretty specific. What source are you going on for this? Because as far as I've read, SE won't ever show actual net earnings or development costs for its games (except FFXIII-2 for some reason). But SquareEnix did cite their MMOs (combining FFXI, XIV and DQX together) as the major factor that swung them back into the black since 2014. FFXIV clearly had to make a lot of money since they went from a 14 billion yen loss in 2013 (the year FFXIV was pulled) to a 6 billion yen gain in 2014 (the year ARR started going on the books). If these numbers heald steady, it would only take three years to overtake the losses they had with FFXIV. Though again, that's rough numbers since SE won't ever release actual numbers.

>>383457686
After years because square backtracked on this hard and said just kidding. after years is a fucking game that can't be taken back.

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>>383458094
>X-2
>Canon

>>383457686

They're both pretty much the same. Two sequels to games that didn't need sequels. And the original games already were tied for the dumbest story in the series.

>>383458005
>square backtracked on this hard and said just kidding.
Source?

>>383457950
Their actual fucking data released to shareholders, ff14 is wildly in the red still. They show net earnings all the fucking time, just get the shareholder reports you stupid fuck.

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>>383454693
I've only played like an hour of X-2 but Donna is a cunt.

>>383456434
>FFTactics is the easiest way to spot the edgy hipster. Like all those Game of Thrones fans who think they're unique and edgy for mentioning the show.
shit taste and missed the whole reason why FFT is great.

>>383458178
X honestly gets a worse rap than it deserves. It's not Hemmingway but the broadstrokes work and it follows its themes well enough. It passes basic scrutiny which is A LOT to ask out of a Final Fantasy game.

>>383458242

And you found this data...where? The stuff I'm citing is also data given to the shareholders. Which claims all their MMOs are gaining profit. So clearly one of our sources is wrong.

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>>383429263
Fuck. I remember my first year after high school. Sitting in front of a computer with 5 or 6 friends watching this after drinking all night. I haven't been that happy in a long time. I think I'll play FFX tomorrow.

>>383458513

Actually, FFX gets praised far more than it should. There are massive plot holes that people just overlook because most people don't focus so much on the details. A flashy FMV and fight scene covers them up enough for the average player.

>>383458401

>and missed the whole reason why FFT is great.
Oh please do enlighten us to what makes FFTactics so great.

This will be good.

>>383458718
That's what I mean by basic scrutiny. We're not talking about LOTR here. As long as the general line of the story makes sense and the character motivations make sense then it's doing pretty good for a FF game. Like 8 is an example of a plot falling apart halfway through because of the GF thing. But X mostly makes sense because the endgoal is clear from the start and it's not so much about the magical elements of the worlds so much as Tidus and Yuna growing as characters.

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Does anyone have the intermission blitzball music from FFX? Can't find the name of it on youtube. If it helps, I think Nyanners did a video about for 2012 /v/ memes with that song in the background. I just want the music. It was a remix of the main Final Fantasy theme.

>>383459076
This?
https://youtu.be/4oDJE7TrXjI

>>383458967

But FFX has a 'twist' that is far worse than the orphanage/time compression in FFVIII. And falls apart under even basic scrutiny. The only difference is the presentation. FFVIII goes out of its way to make Squall into a whiny bitch the minute you put in Disk 3. FFX just acts like all the characters and goals are the same even after the big plot reversals.

I get what you're saying and I agree. But it doesn't have to do with the story. It has to do with the presentation. The story in FFX is even more messed up than FFVIII. But it is executed in a way that the casual player won't care.

>>383429086
and then...they pork

>>383458152
X-2 is canon, and sadly, so is X-2.5.