Sakamoto says the interest of Metroidvanias encouraged more Traditional

He means he saw AM2R and realized that fans can make better Metroid games than he can.

>>383425621
>He means he saw AM2R and realized that fans can make better Metroid games than he can.
but Super Metroid and Zero Mission squishes that fan shit tho

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>"Metroid is a very important IP for Nintendo."
>"timing is something that needs to be taken into consideration when we are going do this"
is he right?

>>383425470
I actually like this a lot even though I'm still skeptical as hell about Sakamoto being in charge. It's about damn time someone at Nintendo realized that people love the hell out of Metroidvanias and that there should probably be a new 2D Metroid game being made in response to the demand.

>>383425621
AM2R isn't as good as you think it is, anon

>>383426082
this

AM2R is fun and a good fan project, but lets not pretend it's the best Metroid in the series. even Fusion shits on it.

>>383426082

>Super Metroid

Yes.

>Zero Mission

Lol no.

>>383426082
AM2R is of equal quality to ZM. It parallels it in many regards and is effectively to M2 what ZM was to the original. The only thing truly holding it back is the use of unoriginal assets.

>>383427230
reusing zm's chozodia assets doesn't make it better bub

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there was even another Sakamoto interview
>>>/m/15626475
this was posted in /m/ only to avoid /v/ retards from shitting up the discussion

>>383425470
>>383426375
METROID BACK, MOTHER FUCKA! I can't wait to see Metroid Dread (Metroid 5) after this, I hope Nintendo adds the GBA VC to the 3DS.

>>383425470
The problem is this is that Sakamoto seems to have a hard-on for linear, story-driven games. And I only just realized how incredibly sexist Other M was.

>>383426375
>"So, Basically I have this image of what I want to do."
Sakamoto having images should be an offense, globally.

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>no really guys, after going into self-imposed exile because nobody appreciated my """masterpiece""" I totally care about the genre in general and want to make a good game
>I also happen to be saying this months before a new Metroid is coming out, and I need you to buy it so I can purchase another yacht

I can only imagine the "enlightened" individuals who think this is anything but a desperate attempt to sell his new game.

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>>383427928
>I hope Nintendo adds the GBA VC to the 3DS.
If you have CFW you can inject GBA games using their VC.
I did it for Zero Mission.

>>383428024
>I can only imagine the "enlightened" individuals who think this is anything but a desperate attempt to sell his new game.
oh here we go, retarded thinking pirates or fangamefags hold any giant relevance to the consumer base for Metroid.

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>>383428401
>retarded thinking pirates
Get the fuck out of my board, Galactic Federation cucks.

>>383427902
Good call. You and i wouldnt want /v/ermin scum shitting up the discussion.

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>>383428401
>you can't be skeptical of this nutjob who spend 7 years crying about how the "evil entitled fans" didn't enjoy his baby wank fanfiction

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>>383428579
we fuck your entire race

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>>383428754
and next i'm going to hear Other M sold shit
fucking japs bought MPH more so that Other M

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>>383428846
What is happening in this image?
And where can I get the source?

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evidence on the "japs bought MPH more so that Other M" part (>>383429008)

>caring what Sakamoto thinks of Metroid after he was given full creative reins of Other M and a console capable of giving him all his desires

Super Metroid was a fluke, not the intended goal. He wanted to have his submissive shit waifu from the start hiding her special 'Sakamoto-only' mole.

Shit was evident from Fusion with all the forced cutscene/story breaks.

>>383429060
Methados drew it

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>people don't like Zero Mission
>people liked Fusion more than Zero Mission
Why?

>>383425470
>I haven't even played other games in this genre and don't like them but the market wants them so I'll make games in that genre anyway

Sounds like a recipe for great games

>>383429008
look, >>383429251 says it better than I could. Sakamoto didn't want to make a good Metroid game. From the very start he just wanted his own self-insert fanfiction and have his waifu jerk him off. Infact, the amount of creative control he was allowed is inversely proportional to how good the game is.

>>383429251
>Yoshio Sakamoto has said that the primary focus of the game was to show Samus' personality, since the Prime series left many players with their own idea of who she was, and he wanted her to be consistent for any future titles. The game was also intended to seamlessly blend cutscenes with gameplay. As a result, the story and gameplay were developed simultaneously. Sakamoto said that he sees the game as another 2D Metroid game due to its simple controls and "elegant" gameplay, and calls it an extension of Metroid Fusion.

>He claimed later in an interview that he regretted absolutely nothing about the project and felt that very little could have changed or been done better. It entirely reflected his original vision of the game. He was concerned about how the fans would take the Search View feature's lack of movement, but he didn't want to add the confusion of figuring out where players were after switching between the two views; he anticipated backlash but felt it was still the right way to go.

>Many aspects of the original Metroid game came about due to technical limitations—he cited the Ice Beam as an example. They couldn't add any major changes to the code for upgrades, but simply changing enemies' color and collision settings led to one of the most iconic and dynamic features in the series. He sought to recreate these limitations in Other M's development by forcing the use of only one Wii Remote, hoping this would lead to inventive workarounds for issues rather than just powering through them like other companies do.

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>>383429251
>Super Metroid was a fluke, not the intended goal.
haha this is what AM2Rfags think

next you're going to cite an fake article from p4rgaming, a site that doesn't exist anymore

>>383425470
The market never disappeared. Cave Story was getting fellated ten years ago. If you want to count it, and you should, Prime 3 was also out and got positive reception with solid sales.

>>383429978
>Prime 3 was also out and got positive reception with solid sales.
Prime is an action adventure though.

>>383426082
>Super Metroid
Absolutely not. AM2R dunks on it.

>>383427395
But all AM2R assets are original. Based off of existing ones, but original nonetheless.

>>383429835
>AM2Rfags
You keep using this term, yet you imply that it wasn't the best game to come out in years. Infact, I will say that it was even better than Zelda: Breath of the Wild. Zelda is shovelware in comparison to AM2R.

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>>383430149
>>383430154
I really hope this is falseflagging.

>>383430302
>falseflagging
What? AM2R was fucking fantastic and no amount of shitty Super Metroid-style level design will make Sakamoto Returns' 30 FPS Mirror of Fate adventure good.

>>383430302
Or maybe it's someone who just doesn't like modern Nintendo and isn't comfortable with games that have amiibo DLC and season passes and can barely reach 30 FPS. Look, I want to be excited about Samus returns, but you're asking me to turn my back to a guy who's wearing a "super metroid dev" mask and holding a butterfly knife in his right hand.

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>>383430154
>I will say that it was even better than Zelda: Breath of the Wild. Zelda is shovelware in comparison to AM2R.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here, buddy

>>383425470
Can you imagine the looks Sakamoto must have gotten at work after his imagined magnum opus flopped completely? SR is like his chance at redemption, and I bet his superiors have been sure to make that clear. They want a game that sells, and they wouldn't put him at the helm of it if they were sure that he'd just create another aberration.

>>383431050
see>>383430514
AM2R has received free updates and patches, and thanks to its ability to be modded, it has only improved from its inception. Meanwhile, to access a basic hard mode in Zelda, you gotta cough up 20 bucks.

>>383430123
Vague genre. The Mario games are considered action games in Japan. Prime still has the large, labyrinthian maps and ability upgrades that aid both your ability to navigate the environment and combat prowess. It scratches the same itch, if the question of whether there was a demand for such a thing was asked, Prime should have answered it.

>>383431216
You forgot that to top it off, Sakamoto admitted that Nintendo was so colossally incompetent and close-minded that they genuinely didn't know AM2R so much as existed until after it released. This tells a lot. For one, that they are incredibly close-minded and resistant to innovation from external pressures (such as other Metroidvanias) and their only "big innovations" are making it more casual and importing the Mirror of Fate-style counter move into Metroid because Sakamoto would never be able to so much as conceive of an intense boss like Torizo or The Tester. For another, that you shouldn't expect much of anything new as a result of that.

If you really care about Metroid, don't support trash like Sakamoto Returns. Send them a message by playing AM2R instead.

>>383431216
>a shitty randomizer and making the game a little less linear makes it better than BotW
Next you're gonna tell me that Minecraft is better than Super Metroid

>people again replying to ACfag

>>383428024
Even when MOM came out he was saying he wanted to make more traditional Metroid games.

>>383431871
>everybody who doesn't like muh sakamotroid is ACfag!
Fuck off.

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Anyways.

How do you guys feel about the Prime spinoffs?
I honestly like how fast Prime Hunters is, it reminds me of Quake and the boss fights sort of reflect that. The levels are also very Quake-like. But that's about it. I think it has some decent gameplay and I don't mind touch screen controls. In fact, one of my favorite games on the 3DS has touch screen controls.

Federation Force is sort of weird, since it's nothing like a Metroid game and it might as well not be, and the story is just as weak if not weaker than Hunters, but the gameplay isn't HALF bad. It is a little slow and weak, but as multiplayer game it's SOMETIMES enjoyable. Depends on the mission. It's definitely one of the weaker games, but it's not unplayable and there's few other multiplayer titles on the 3DS, let alone shooters.

We all know Pinball is a masterpiece.

>>383430415
I'll just assume this IS falseflagging.

>>383431658
Honestly, I don't mind them DMCA'ing AM2R. I thought it was a dick move, but legally there isn't much that can be done. However, what you said was right. If they didn't want it existing, they should've done more about it, and really neglecting the series for 7 years didn't help.

>>383431834
>a shitty randomizer and making the game a little less linear makes it better than BotW
That just adds onto the game being good. Even by itself it's better than BOTW which is pay2win by the way, thanks to amiibos that give you instant upgrades and items with no cost. and you act like Zelda's hard mode is of any level of quality, when it's essentially glorified damage sponging of most enemies.

>there is a market for metroidvanias and metroid in general
>lets make a remake instead of a new game
fuck you gook

>>383432046
>I'll just assume this IS falseflagging.
Why?
AM2R had superior level design. Compact areas are a boon for Metroid, and "interconnectivity" is a convoluted tumor that needs to be cut out. Unfortunately, SR fails to understand the value of that which leads to poorer map design.

>>383425621
>>383429251
>>383429679
>>383430149
>>383430154
>>383430415
>>383430514
>>383431216
>>383431658
>>383431946
>>383432134
Metroid fags everyone. Mad when they do get games and mad when they don't.

>Shilling for a fangame
What do they even pay you in?

If he said this 10 years ago I would believe him

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>>383431658
>If you really care about Metroid, don't support trash like Sakamoto Returns.
The least you could do is give it a try before you cast it off as garbage.

>Send them a message by playing AM2R instead.
That won't really accomplish anything.
You already stated they aren't aware of what goes outside their company.

>>383432375
I don't even read these, I just give (You)s.

>>383432519
S-Some of us are cool.

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>>383432519

>>383427185
That's right, it's better.

If I had any desire to go back and replay the old Metroid games, which I used to love, I would throw them away in disgust.

Why?

Because I've been spoiled by AM2R. I've been spoiled by what this series CAN be.

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>>383432375
How do you know SR has worse level design than AM2R if it has't even come out yet?

>>383428754
>you can't be skeptical of this nutjob who spend 7 years crying about how the "evil entitled fans" didn't enjoy his baby wank fanfiction

are you taking that one onion article seriously?

>>383433124
Why are you in a Metroid thread if you don't like Metroid?

>>383432909
>The least you could do is give it a try before you cast it off as garbage.
I've seen 30 fucking minutes for footage. That's enough.

>That won't really accomplish anything.
It'll tell them that nobody gives a shit about their game. That much they will notice.

>S-Some of us are cool.
Mindless drones like you are anything but cool.

>>383433139
See above.

>>383432519
I want a good new Metroid game and not 30 FPS trash that gets dunked on by a fangame which also managed to surpass every single previous outing in the series.

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>>383428316
>that pic
If you fail to recognize the exact segment that picrelated depicts, you are not a true Metroid fan.

>>383429404
Good bosses. And actual tension.

>>383433591
They didn't show the whole map in that footage

>>383433557
I love Metroid. Nintendo does not.

We already played Metroid 2 last year. We don't need Another Metroid 2 Remake.

The only thing Nintendo could do to redeem the series is continue the story after Fusion.

>>383425470
Well duh.

>>383433692
It doesn't depict any segment because Samus never runs around with her helmet off

>>383433817
>I love Metroid. Nintendo does not.

Are Metroid fans really this deluded and entitled?

You're reaching like, Smashfag tier here.

>>383433882
It depicts a very specific map segment, though.

>>383433817
>I had any desire to go back and replay the old Metroid games, which I used to love, I would throw them away in disgust.
You don't, You just jack off to one game and shit on anything that's not it.

>>383433940
He's not a Metroid fan

What is AM2R?

>>383432909
>>383432519
>>383433472
>>383433940
Look guys, can you at least understand the standards that some of us hold for this upcoming game? I expect Nintendo, a company with billions of dollars and thousands of developers, to be able to match, if not surpass, the job done by some neckbeards in their basement on a budget of 10 dollars. Do you know how pathetic that would be if Nintendo couldn't even do that? A massive mighty AAA corporation being outdone by an indie dev at their own game that they've had a license over for 30 years? Nevermind that I predict this Metroid 2 game to cost 40 dollars and an additional 40 dollars for content they'll lock behind amiibos and season passes. You want a hard mode? That'll be 30 bucks!

So pardon me if I don't want to put my blind faith in a soullesss AAA corporation.

>>383433591
>>383433783
Heck, they even cut to a more advanced save file to show off the Varia suit so there's no way to determine the quality of the map from that stream.

>>383433817
You're either a shitposter or actually obsessed to an unhealthy degree.

>>383433940
I'm still waiting for a new 2D game. Samus Returns is clearly just an inferior version of a game I already played.

Excuse me if I actually have standards.

>>383434187
What are search engines?

>>383434187
Google

>>383434285

why not both

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>>383433817
>The only thing Nintendo could do to redeem the series is continue the story after Fusion.

I get the feeling Sakamoto probably doesn't really know where else to take the story at this point. He's kinda written himself into a corner, with Samus being reunited with Adam, her iconic suit being gone forever in favor of the gaudy Fusion Suit, her also being a wanted criminial by the federation, Ridley and all the Metroids being dead, etc. Which is kinda why they've had to rely on remakes and interquels/prequels over the last 14 or so years.

>>383434368
I dont know
>>383434385
Google changed names?

>>383434276
Oh so this is just another case of stickening it to the man?

>>383434347
A new 2D game isn't gonna happen if they don't test the water with SR. Metroid is not a series that sells well.

>>383434587
I think you misunderstand. It's more of a "I'm not giving Nintendo money until they prove that they can surpass the quality of a fangame" rant.

>>383434719
Metroid Prime?

>>383434276
>So pardon me if I don't want to put my blind faith in a soullesss AAA corporation.
You don't have to, you can just pirate.

>>383425470
>2017
>"what you say? people liku metloiduvania still? intelesting..."

People have been screaming for this shit for 15 years and they give us other m and federation force while shutting down AM2R. Seriously where do they even find these people? At least the typical western EA suit guy generally knows what he's doing when it comes to just making money but these japanese suits have their heads so far up their asses it just blows my fucking mind.

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>>383433782
>Good bosses.
Only memorable one was Nightmare.
And I re-played it like a week ago.
Gedo and Serris were alright.

Everybody else? Garbage mini-boss that was as simple as following a brain-dead pattern.
Hell, I had to look up the names of Gedo and Serris and looking at the pictures reminded me Ridley was in this game.

>And actual tension.
I never felt any of that.
The only thing the game made me feel was frustration.
Frustrated that I couldn't go back to a sector after I finished it, and frustrated at Nightmare. Also, frustrated at detours that led to nothing and nowhere because this game was so linear for the sake of telling you a story that's not even remotely that interesting. In fact, the story can be summed up into this.

>Samus Clone.
>Galactic Federation clones Metroids.
>Computer is this random guy nobody knows (or knew) named Adam.

Well, maybe I did feel a little something when Samus wanted to just blow up the ship with her in it, and a little pissed off at Adam (but aren't we all)?

>>383433591
>I've seen 30 fucking minutes for footage. That's enough.
Oh, really? How was it?

>It'll tell them that nobody gives a shit about their game. That much they will notice.
You could simply not purchase it.

>Mindless drones like you are anything but cool.
Now you're just being a prick.

>>383426375
Yes, this is their chance to make Metroid BIG
>starve niche fanbase of their game for years
>it becomes a meme
>meme becomes true
>internet explodes
>series is now a lot more popular than it was before
This has happened quite a few times in the recent generation and has been proven to work well.

>>383434757
A good game, fitting exactly what I wanted. However, they've yet to recreate that. Infact, I feel as though Sakamoto hates the series. He only says good things out of PR obligations. But even one glance at Metroid: Other M will tell you how much he hates videogamey products. He'd rather make games on par with Gone Home and Undertale. You know, "novels" that tell a "story."

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>ITT: manchildren have a pathetic grudge against a company
Ever the AM2Rs creator likes SR
Get the fuck over it.

>>383435454
>I like being fucked in the ass by companies

>>383435454
That's only because he doesn't jerk off his creation as the best thing ever. it's admirable and rare among devs. That doesn't mean we can't take offense over Nintendo's other issues.

>>383435107
I feel like you're making a lot of assumptions over loosely translated articles on the internet.

Unless you've actually met Sakamoto, you're in no position to make such claims.

>>383435542
You don't get fucked in the ass if you were never there to get fucked.
Is it so difficult to move on to other things? You have an entire library of metroidvanias not made by Nintendo.

>>383425470
He's right about there being a big ass list of Metroidvanias, especially if you look at just the past two or three years. My only real problem with the official Metroid 2 remake is that the developer they chose for it are the ones responsible for the shitfest that is the Lords of Shadow subseries

>>383435590
This wasn't an article. This was something he did himself when making Other M. Why would a man who supposedly likes Metroid, make a game where he rips out everything good about metroid? And it wasn't even one time, he's been doing this for years with Fusion and Zero Mission. His idea of a good Metroid game is one where Samus cries and has feelings and emotional breakdowns. Even now, he doesn't regret Other M one bit, and his words are filthy lies.

>nintendo is no longer allowed remake things if a fan remakes said thing before them

>>383433783
>>383434278
We saw more than enough.

>>383435006
>Oh, really? How was it?
It was garbage.

>You could simply not purchase it.
That's the idea.

>Now you're just being a prick.
Pot meet kettle.

>>383435820
There's absolutely nothing wrong with giving Samus character. Other M was obviously the wrong way to do it, but are you allergic to dialogue or NPC interaction in a metroid game or something?

>>383436058
A fan remake that blows their garbage out of the water.

>>383436158
I'm allergic to my videogames wanting to become hollywood movies.

God Metroid fans are the fucking worst.

>>383436264
AM2R fans are not Metroid fans

>>383436264
Most Metroid fans are ecstatic about the new games. Pay no mind to AM2R dick riders

>>383436338
You imply it wasn't this bad before AM2R came out

>>383436338
>>383436412
>nearly an entire minute apart
Alright drone, whatever you say.

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>>383436417
tru

>>383436264
>>383436338
>>383436412
>>383436417
>>383436498
>You have to like Metroid: Other M, or you're not a fan of the series

What did they mean by this?

>>383433817
Yeah how dare Nintendo use their own intellectual property instead of being video game cucks.

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retard

I like castlevania more

>>383436238
garbage that you haven't played yet

>>383436548
That's not what anyone you replied to said.

>>383436548
>You have to hate Nintendo, Samus Returns, the GBA games and dick ride AM2R to be a real metroid fan

>>383434535
I want Nintendo to pull a kojima and give us a new Metroid game with very little story at the beginning that reveals at the end that you're playing as Samus' clone or child and it's actually Metroid 6 just to fuck with people.

>>383436548
>I like strawmanning to the moon
Jacking off to one game doesn't make you a fan

>>383436634
Konami is dead tho

>>383436707
>That's not what anyone you replied to said.

>Most Metroid fans are ecstatic about new games.

>>383436802
Well everyone dies at one time, you know

>>383436846
He said
>THE new games
Specifically Prime 4 and Samus Returns

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>>383436846
>Other M is a new game that is comming out in 2017

>>383436949
>>383436904
This is exactly what was said when Other M came out. Its the same exact excuse, rehashed for 2017. If you guys truly hated Other m, you would understand why people are skeptical. But since you're saying that anyone who doesn't love Sakamoto is a "stupid faggot" as some anons here have said, then that leads to only one conclusion.

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>>383435542
>I like being fucked in the ass by companies
How are they fucking you in the ass, Anon?
Did they take down any possible host of AM2R?
Are they forcing Samus Returns onto you?

>Why would a man who supposedly likes Metroid, make a game where he rips out everything good about metroid?
Because he clearly doesn't know anything about Metroid, why people like it, and only cares about "his vision".
He wants Metroid to be a movie, not a video game. And he has really fucked up logic and clearly doesn't care about the main character herself, judging by what he did to her in Other M.

>And it wasn't even one time, he's been doing this for years with Fusion and Zero Mission.
Wow, wow, wow.
Don't you bunch up Zero Mission with Sakamoto's Vision and Sakamoto's Vision 2: All Women Should Wear Heels.

Zero Mission was incredibly fun.

>>383436136
>It was garbage.
Well I'll judge that by myself.
Don't you think it's better to come to your own conclusions rather than letting somebody you don't know tell you "It's garbage, don't pirate it."?

>That's the idea.
I don't see how playing AM2R is part of that idea.

>Pot meet kettle.
No thanks, I don't do drugs.

>>383436158
>There's absolutely nothing wrong with giving Samus character.
There really is no point to it.
Samus doesn't need to be anything more than the suited bounty hunter who faces galactic level threats despite not really getting payed for most of it.

She doesn't need to say a word. We love Samus for who she already is, not for what she could be.

>but are you allergic to dialogue or NPC interaction in a metroid game or something?
The interactions in Prime are fine.
I've honestly never played a first person game where I've felt it would be more enjoyable if the main character talked back. I feel like it actually breaks from the immersion, very important for a game like Metroid, where the atmosphere and just the feel of it is very important.

As for 2D Metroid. Well, story hasn't proven to work in those.

>>383437305
Fuck off retard

>>383437323
>Don't you bunch up Zero Mission with Sakamoto's Vision and Sakamoto's Vision 2: All Women Should Wear Heels.
Zero mission was a mostly okay remake that had unnecessary zero suit fanservice near the end, all to make her seem "vulnerable." It was gimmicky and unnecessary, and I don't like to go into the cringeworthy anime scenes where she cries when she remembers the chozo. I fall asleep every time those moments come on.

>>383437305
>But since you're saying that anyone who doesn't love Sakamoto is a "stupid faggot" as some anons here have said
What thread are you reading?

>>383437670
see>>383436412
>>383429835

>you dare to like something that isn't made by Nintendo? You're a "fag" and you're "stupid"

Right from their posts.

>>383437769
Fuck off retard

>>383436264
It's /oneguy/ who'll keep turning Metroid threads into shitfests until it kills him.

>>383437769
>all of this autism
They are refering to the people who ONLY like AMR2 you idiot, like this fuckwad >>383433124

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>>383437923
see pic

>>383438076
I was called an AM2R fag despite openly saying how much I enjoy Super Metroid and Prime. So no, that statement is false.

>>383437323
Somewhere in there I meant to reply to >>383435820

>>383437546
>unnecessary zero suit fanservice near the end
I felt like it didn't add or take away from the game. But it very well could have been an attempt at shoehorning Zero Suit Samus rather than a genuine attempt at adding something different, extra content.

>all to make her seem "vulnerable."
I'd rather run away and live on Zebes than have to face Space Pirates. I honestly found it kind of impressive. But that's just my interpretation.

>and I don't like to go into the cringeworthy anime scenes where she cries when she remembers the chozo.
Must have selective memory, but that does sound garbage and forced.
I can understand the desire of wanting to expand Samus' character, and remind us she's human (it only adds to how great her achievements are when you're reminded she isn't an immortal demi-god like Master Chief or something). But making her cry and literally showing us she's got human bits isn't the way to go, I'll agree on that.
I do think the drawing was cute though.

But I guess you are right, Zero Mission did try to give Samus character, even if not to the level of Fusion or Other M.
I just don't think the game is on the same tier as them for adding a small segment.

I can't understand why Metroid fans will never get over Other M. It's like a fucking curse hanging over Nintendo's head.

>Make Other M
>It's absolute fucking dog shit
>Fanbase goes utterly insane
>Years later release Federation Force
>Fanbase refuses to play it because they're still mad abou Other M
>Mention you have some other games in the oven you're not ready to talk about
>A year later announce Samus Returns and Prime 4
>People still refuse to let Other M go and still whine about it, on top of Nintendo putting an axe through AM2R when they have a storied history of shitting on fan projects

Can't fucking win. Metroid fans are like a woman, god forbid you do or say anything because they'll start screaming about that time you go drunk and shit your pants seven years ago.

F-Zero fans got flat out fucking told they're never gonna get a game again unless they can gimmick it up and haven't seen a game since the motherfucking gamecube and you don't see them screaming and demanding shit like Fast Racing get cancelled.

What a bunch of metroid faggots
We finally get not 1, but 2 metroid games and still you faggos arent happy, you retards dont deserve shit

Also ZM and Fusion are fucking great

And you AM2R fags get out of your fucking high horse, yeah its a great fan remake, but its not that thats gonna help fans get more Metroid games, and get this, the guy that made it is looking forward to the official M2 remake

So stop with your retarded hateboners just because fucking sakamotos only low point in the series

Are you faggots also gonna hate tanabe because of FF

>>383438361
>Fanbase goes utterly insane
That's all you need to know

I'll never understand the kind of autism that makes people like backtrackan games.

>>383438283
>I felt like it didn't add or take away from the game.
It slowed down what was otherwise a fast paced game. And it ddn't really do anything as a stealth segment, since the pirates are braindead idiots. Might as well just let me kill them outright instead of pretending that I'm outsmarting something.

>I'd rather run away and live on Zebes than have to face Space Pirates.
At the very least they could've given her the power suit to do it, and just make them really strong. Infact, the romhack Metroid: super Zero Mission does this, it's pretty tight. the game never slows down in the action, but you can't just shoot your way through them, since they're elite grade pirates.

>I just don't think the game is on the same tier as them for adding a small segment.
I don't want to consider it on the same tier, but it's a slippery slope. Literally the only thing separating Zero Mission from Fusion was an extra couple hours of cutscenes and mandatory mission briefings from Mr. Daddy issues himself.

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>>383437323
>it actually breaks from the immersion

Only if done very poorly and jarringly. Otherwise, a talking character can set a scene just as well as a hero mime, if not better because it shows their engagement with their circumstances, and thus heightening our own.

Even Master Chief, the poster-boy for silent PCs, has voiced dialogue in cutscenes. And as for painting blank slates, the re-characterisation of BJ Blazkowicz is probably the most successful example in recent memory, to the point that it feels like an integral improvement rather than a design gimmick.

>>383438520
>>383438582
>>383438569
>>383438361
Honestly, all I want is for Nintendo to stop using Other M as a reference tool for how Samus should be and act. Every bit of fan material shows her as a kawaii anime kid who shows off her ass and strips out of her suit every 5 seconds. Then you have Fed Force which pushes Samus to the side because "she's a weak stupid woman" according to Sakamoto. Now you have Samus Returns, which will infest Metroid 2 with even more story cancer and cinematics and feelings. Essentially it'll do everything Other M did wrong, but on the 3DS.

I'm upset with them because I don't want a cinematic experience. I want a video game. Nintendo should know how to do that. They've been in the business for 100+ years, and have been in videogames for 40+ years. How this is such a hard concept is beyond me. Genuinely, I would've been fine if Metroid took a dirt nap after Prime 3, but ever since Other M I've just wanted something to wash the taste of movie game out of my mouth. And is that an unfair request? At least with F-Zero, they didn't go out on a piece of crap that would barely qualify as a visual novel.

>>383438978
>Only if done very poorly and jarringly.
see: every single time it's ever happened.

>uses Halo as a positive talking point
Pffft. That's a good one.

>>383439091
Samus Returns won't be a 'movie game', anon. Don't worry.

>>383439091
>YEAH BUT FUCKING OTHER M THOUGH

Way to prove my point

When David Carradine died nobody talked about how he accidentally killed himself trying do that "I need to choke myself to jerk off" shit, they talked about all the good ass movies that guy starred in

You know you can totally ignore Other M and that changes nothing about your enjoyment for the past games? That would be like if I wanted to fucking cry about Battle Chip Challenge every time Capcom put out another Mega Man game (pro tip, they aren't)

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>>383425470

Was AM2Rfags' intention to be such obnoxious faggots to the point of making people hate the game?
Because it's working.

>>383439471
>>383439565
>replying to ACfag

>>383439471
Oh, the interviews have told me plenty to the contrary, about how Sakamoto wants to expand the relationship between Samus and the Metroid she has a total of 5 seconds of screentime with. And we all know what happens when Sakamoto wants to "expand character lore".

>expand Samus's relation with the chozo (Zero Mission ZMS segment)
>expand Samus's relation with the GF (Fusion)
>expand Samus's relation with Adam (Other M)
>expand Samus's relation with some literally who's (Fed Force)

>>383439565
>You know you can totally ignore Other M and that changes nothing about your enjoyment for the past games?
See, that's the problem. AM2R was our way of ignoring Other M and being hyped for possible new Metroid games. But Nintendo being too incompetent to shut it down before it was finished, then crying about how fans are "entitled" when they got off their lazy asses, was a slap in the face. Then they shove Fed Force in our faces and expect us to lap it up.

And honestly, I could forgive it all if Samus Returns is a decent game. But that's not the case. modern Nintendo will not release a game unless it's full priced, half-assed, and brimming with season passes, DLC, microtransactions, the whole she-bang. Look at the first Splatoon for instance. It doesn't even have 1/100th the content of a PC shooter or arena game, and yet they've already moved on to charging for the sequel. Where's that free content they promised? Oh right, it stopped after a few months.

But this time they totally got it, right? I should just ignore every other problem they've been exasperating for this generation and mindlessly lap up their new releases?

>>383439218
How about you actually try to counter argue against them?

>>383438361
>I can't understand why Metroid fans will never get over Other M.
It was and incredible smudge on what was a near perfect record, and one that seemingly nearly destroyed the franchise and sent it to its dark ages.

>Fanbase refuses to play it because they're still mad abou Other M
That is not what happened, at all.
Sakamoto didn't even have anything to do with Federation Force. Why would anybody refuse to play Federation Force because of a game it has nearly no ties to? They're not even from the same subset.

>A year later announce Samus Returns and Prime 4
>People still refuse to let Other M go and still whine about it, on top of Nintendo putting an axe through AM2R when they have a storied history of shitting on fan projects
We're happy that Metroid Prime 4 is here, but that's all we got.
What else is there to talk about besides make speculations? Hell, even talking about speculations is a mess considering the amount of possibilities.
The only thing we can all agree on is that Sylux will play a role, and even that's probably debatable and we can't agree on what that role will be, it could be anything.

This isn't even a Prime 4 thread, this is a thread for the game that we've actually seen and is nearing release.
You want us to ignore the game that is closest and has actual footage and details up?

>Metroid fans are like a woman
Oh, I see what's going on here.
Nice try, Sakamoto. You can't stop us from shitting on your game.


>>383438678
I guess it could work for something like Wolfenstein. The New Order was pretty story driven and did a good job at mixing story and gameplay. But Samus doesn't usually get the chance to talk to others. Sure, she's in contact with the Galactic Federation a lot, and then she also has SOME interactions with other Hunters, but that's kind of where it ends.

But maybe with Metroid Prime 4 that can change, since it is implied she is going to face Sylux, another Hunter. But it's unlikely, probably for consistency's sake too.

What is it about Metroid specifically that attracts autistic, mentally ill shitposters?

>>383439910
Dude, ten years ago I was dating a very wonderful girl I absolutely head over heels in love with. She broke up with me, and I felt devastated and alone for about half a year. Metroid fans are still crying about Other M seven years later. If I was still doing that about the girl, I'd be considered a fucking psychopath, and yet Metroid fans should be given this free pass?

Federation Force is a good game who's only crime was being released after Other M. If you motherfuckers actually played the shit you whined about, that game is basically a mission based Prime 1.5. Splatoon was also given content updates for a little over a year.

You have also not been blocked in any way from getting AM2R. I just downloaded a torrent of 1.23 the other night, and it was like the first page on google when I searched it.

>>383440204
Game series get bad releases all the fucking time, and yet Metroid is this sacred cow it's not allowed to happen to. Get fucking real. It was not a slap in the face, it was a company shitting a turd of a game.

>>383440038
Simple: There's no such thing as a "well done character narrative". Infact, there's no such thing as a "good video game story". Games are about gameplay, and Metroid's strength was to drop you into a world and let the game tell you the story. You didn't need a dialogue box popping up with tutorials everywhere. You didn't need Samus to have feelings and expand her character lore. We didn't need cinematics constantly telling us what emotions to feel because the game thinks we're idiots. You could go through the entirety of Super metroid without watching a single cutscene, bar the intro and the Mother Brain scene, but as multiple romhacks have demonstrated, the game is even better without those segments.

>>383440204
Replying to your post on the other hand, if the game HAS to have some story, it needs to remember minimalism. Samus is at her best when you don't remember that she's a woman. If she was a man, you don't need to be reminded of that either. She's essentially a character self-insert. She's like Mario or Link. If you want me to feel the emotions in a game, let me feel them. I don't need a queue card that tells me when to cry.

>>383440385
>If I was still doing that about the girl, I'd be considered a fucking psychopath, and yet Metroid fans should be given this free pass?
It's a mistake they still haven't learned from. They continue to think that women only exist to be sexual fanservice and should never be allowed competence without showing their ass or their tits. This was one of the prime (heh) problems of Other M. And it pervades every game they develop and publish, from third parties like Bayonetta and Xenoblade (both utter garbage) to first party games like Fire Emblem and Zelda. I can't find a single female character in any of these games that is a good example of a female videogame protagonist. Either they have to have sex appeal constantly shoved in, they have to be emotional trainwrecks, or they don't shut the hell up about their feelings. If I had the opportunity right now, I'd take Melia, Jeanne, Elma, and Lucina, and throw them off a cliff for being whiny babies and whores who've ruined the entire damn industry with their focus on sex appeal and lack of focus on good gameplay.

>Federation Force is a good game
Do not give me that. Fed Force shoved in multiplayer in a series about exploration and isolation. Turning it into miniature call of duty/rocket League for children was unforgivable.

>You have also not been blocked in any way from getting AM2R
Nintendo's definitely trying. If they cared, they would at least understand people's desire to play it. I'm not saying they have to let it stay up, but stop acting so cold.

>>383440780
>Either they have to have sex appeal constantly shoved in, they have to be emotional trainwrecks, or they don't shut the hell up about their feelings.
So they act like realistic women?

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>>383441152
>he wants realism in his video games

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>>383425470
>I know there's a shitload of indie Metroidvanias but I'm not gonna play them
Understanding that the market exists means nothing if you don't know what the market OFFERS.
But you know, he's the producer, not the director. Which means that his only concern is: would this make money? Yes? Do it.

The director is Takehiko Hosokawa.
He directed Other M almost a decade ago.
Before that was Wario Land 3 back in 2000.
I don't know what to expect, but I doubt it'll be a work of love and passion. The guy is way past his prime. No pun intended.

>fans improve Super Metroid and Fusion with romhacks
>fans improve Metroid 2 with AM2R
>fans even improve Other M with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW-XeKDRxPM

I'd say the Metroid fandom is a grab bag of extremists and geniuses if you ask me.

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>>383440385
>Game series get bad releases all the fucking time
Yes, but rarely does that release prelude a drought in games from that series.
What are we led to believe? The first and most obvious conclusion is that Other M did so poorly that Nintendo might have just assumed we didn't like Metroid, or that if Sakamoto, pretty much the guy leading the franchise, couldn't do anything good with it, nobody could.

It's not hard to understand why people resent Other M the way they do.

There's also the fact that it shows Sakamoto is entirely out of touch with the playerbase, or simply doesn't care.
Other M wasn't just a bad game, it was like Sakamoto took everything everybody loved about Metroid, and threw it out the window.
Power-ups aren't collected, Samus is entirely undignified, and the atmosphere of being alone in an enclosed space with a bunch of alien monsters is entirely gone in favor of a cast of characters that simply die in at the end.
Add to that all the cutscenes, which everybody says Sakamoto seemed to be obsessed with, and you've also got justified the hate towards this man being so much as allowed to touch another Metroid game, which is why you can understand why some people aren't satisfied with the new game.
I do think not liking Samus Returns simply because of AM2R is extremely petty, specially considering the guy behind AM2R didn't really seem to care.

>>383432519
Still less annoying than jugdralfags

>>383440443
>Samus is a self-insert

Please stop with this meme.

>She's like Mario or Link.

Are you trying to imply that Mario is a self-insert too? Because he isn't. Link is though.

>>383430154
>You keep using this term, yet you imply that it wasn't the best game to come out in years.
no, it's just you fags hailing it over other great shit like Fusion, Prime, and Super, it's romhacks, and paint every attempt by Nintendo to bring back Metroid as a threat to Metroid

it'd be better to label you fags than people putting the blame on the author, his team, and his fangame

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>>383431871
you don't even know how ACfag posts, faggot

>>383433940
>you're reaching like, Smashfag tier here.
smashniggers been evasive in this fanbase for a long while as a matter of fact.

>>383435542
>hurr why can't i make fans work for another episode, i need muh college rent
fuck off AlvinEarthworm

>>383440357
very easy place to bait people
just like Fire Emblem's Jugdral/Awakening fanbases

>>383428316
But I want to buy the Metroid games not steal them.

>>383441951
>I do think not liking Samus Returns simply because of AM2R is extremely petty
Here's an analogy for you
>your friend builds you a new house
>it's a nice house
>you move in with your family and your pet dog
>suddenly some faggot barges in and burns down your house and rapes your dog for good measure
>the faggot turns to you and says "it's okay goy I'll build you a new house"
>he finishes building the house
>it's fucking shit
>"B-but you haven't even set foot in the house goy! No refunds btw"
Exactly the same shit is happening with AM2R and Sakamoto Returns.

>specially considering the guy behind AM2R didn't really seem to care.
>implying he isn't being paid by Nutendo to just shut up and take it like a bitch

>>383441205
Ignore him bro, Sakamoto cucks just want every game to be a movie these days. No different from Uncharted cucks.

>>383444607
Awww, is the widdle Sakamoto cocksucker mad that a fangame shat all over the Sakamotroid garbage being shat out today?

>>383440357
The only mentally ill people here are the fags supporting Sakamotroid and will unironically buy Sakamoto Returns and Color Splash Prime 4.

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>>383446953
>Color Splash Prime 4.
>paperfags latching their autism to another stable sub-series again

>>383447251
>literally fucking directed by Tanabe
>who also showed interest in giving the game "le epin time travel gimmick XD"

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>>383447391
>>literally fucking directed by Tanabe
who directed the entire trilogy
>>who also showed interest in giving the game "le epin time travel gimmick XD"
source?

>>383447391
>>383447391
>directed
Tanabe produces the product, not direct it

>>383438361
I already got over it, unlike the faggots, it doesn't exist with 2D Metroid so I'm happy. Not only that but the only 2D Metroid games are Metroid Metroid II Retrun of Samus, Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion, Metroid Zero Mission, and Metroid Samus Returns, feels good.

>>383449468
I'm not gonna say I've been in love with the series my whole life because Prime and Fusion were the first ones I played, but I still went back and beat 1, 2, and Super and I don't see this shit as the fucking holy artifact everyone else sees it as.

They're good goddamn games with platforming as tight as a field mouse but Christ how many goddamn times can you collect the same powerups over and over in a slightly different world?

I love Mega Man like nobody else should reasonably love something and I can fucking admit that shit got stale REAL quick

>Oh boy I can't wait to get missiles, bombs, and the screw attack
>REEEEEEEE WHY ISN'T THIS SUPER METROID 2

>>383439091
>Honestly, all I want is for Nintendo to stop using Other M as a reference tool for how Samus should be and act.
They already did though, somebody didn't read the Kotaku interview.

Sakamoto: "To be honest, as far as wanting to change that depiction of Samus, I made what I wanted to make. It did give me some momentum, I guess, and the ability to look at Samus from a new viewpoint, and maybe reconsider what I wanted to show about her."

>>383449805
>They're good goddamn games with platforming as tight as a field mouse but Christ how many goddamn times can you collect the same powerups over and over in a slightly different world?
As many times as fans want, if you want something different, that's where the Prime series comes in. Like Halo you have the FPS games which has the same weapons and vehicles and the RTS series, if you don't like Halo FPS there's the Wars series for you.

>>383450115
>If you want something different, that's where the Prime series comes in

Good. I can't stand the constant Power -> Varia -> Gravity shit. Mix it up for fucks sake. Prime 2 making the gravity boost an item so that you could get a DIFFERENT SUIT was a good thing, but I forget that Nintenbros scream and throw an unholy fucking fit at change.

>>383450115
don't forget, there's always the old games to play.
plenty of pre-Fusion Metroid romhacks and Halo 1 Custom Edition mods out there.

>>383450425
The go play Prime, I can care less about that series I'm happy with just the 2D series just like I am playing Master Chief in a FPS Halo game.

>>383450780
*Then

>>383440204
>It was and incredible smudge on what was a near perfect record,

Eh Hunter was pretty garbage in fact I would argue that it's on par with Other M.

>>383451025
just the single player, right?

>>383428024
Of course its a desperate attempt. And that's a good thing. Because when developers are desperate to get their games to sell, they pander to the people they know are interested in then, and they pander HARD. Nintendo's userbase and fanbase has made it clear to him, his shit isn't going to fly, so he can either fuck up again, or desperately pander to these people, regardless of if he likes the game style or not. Video game companies and developers are like hollywood, they are either desperate, or arrogant beyond compare, there is no inbetween. Success typically only lasts as long as the successful decide to think its just luck and not skill. Because the instant they think its skill, they start abusing their position instantly.

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Reminder that the Metroid fanbase is the worst fanbase and Samus Returns and Prime 4 aren't going to sell well at all just like FF, Other M, Prime 3, Prime 2, Prime Hunters, Prime Pinball, and supposedly Zero Mission.

>>383451365
Yeah. Multiplayer was ok but the single player and story was frankly worse than Other m.

Honestly the only thing I like about Hunters are the designs and origins of the Hunters themselves, but they never get expanded on.

>>383452334
This

Japan doesn't even fucking like it. The best that series has ever been treated are the Prime games, and nobody will admit it.

>>383440204
>and one that seemingly nearly destroyed the franchise and sent it to its dark ages
Yeah Metroid has never had a huge hiatus before, and certainly not 2 before 2010.

>>383452334
>Reminder that the Metroid fanbase is the worst fanbase
Halo fanbase is the same

>Samus Returns isn't going to sell well at all
I disagree, I can see it selling well over a million or even in the 2 million.

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>>383452334
>just like FF, Other M, Prime 3, Prime 2, Prime Hunters, Prime Pinball, and supposedly Zero Mission.
except only FF, Pinball, and Zero Mission were conceived "not met in standards" for a good seller
oh wait! i'm speaking to some retard pretending every Nintendo game all have standards to sell fine.

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>>383452334
aren't you so wondrous?

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>>383452607
>Japan doesn't even fucking like it.
mmhm, any more recycled lies to spew, /v/?

>>383452607
>The best that series has ever been treated are the Prime games, and nobody will admit it
Wrong. the 2D games were the best the series has ever been, the Prime series only had one good game which also isn't that good compared to the 2D games, the rest of the Prime games were either mediocre or in the DS and 3DS games case, shit.

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>>383452835
>Zero was dank as fuck.

>>383452738
>1.61 is selling well
>When Nintendo released MP3 the same time as Halo 3 like a fucking idiot, the original Metroid Prime sold 5 Million, and the Wii's install base was about 8 times larger than the Gamecube's and still sold about 1/3rd of Metroid Prime's count, not to mention the very likely chance that MP3 cost more to make than MP1 due to motion controls and voice acting.

Keks were had.

>>383452835
I thought all the archives died years ago

Also you are missing the one about Metroid games becoming retroactively shit.

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>>383452334
>Metroid fanbase is the worst fanbase
>when Under "send a needle cookie to some artist who likes a ship i don't like" Tale exist
>when Fire "more divided and crap than Final Fantasy fans" Emblem exist
>when Smash "fuck good gameplay, let's bitch about unlikely literal who characters from games i've never played" Bros

>>383449928
>It did give me some momentum, I guess, and the ability to look at Samus from a new viewpoint, and maybe reconsider what I wanted to show about her."
In other words, he wants to rehash Metroid: Other M. You don't seriously believe he shows even an ounce of remorse for that, do you?

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>>383453195
>>1.61 is not selling well
>when Nintendo literally said a simple 1 million is success for a typical Metroid game
but hey, it's not my fault backseat expert nintenbros keep using big sellers as proof it's not a good seller to them, not the fact they all have different standards.

>>383453195
>the original Metroid Prime sold 5 Million
2.87 million you armchair shit

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>>383453718
>we don't know why Other M didn't sell, because it's a great game
>IT'S A GREAT GAME

I know his job is to be a marketing tool who sucks off Nintendo every day, but this still makes me mad.

>>383453494
Metroid Other M doesn't exist it's not a 2D Metroid game so it's not a Metroid game at all.

>>383453910
I'd love to believe that Other M doesn't exist, but the deluded mastermind behind it still holds it as his favorite Metroid game, and will continue tainting every future Metroid with its influence. Are you ready for Super Metroid HD, where Samus has a harrowing flashback every time she goes into a new area because it triggered her maternal memories about the baby metroid?

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>>383453718
I'm pretty sure Metroid Prime 3 cost more to make than Metroid Prime 1, all things considered. Add in the fact that Retro made bank with Donkey Kong Country Returns, and it's not really a surprise that it took us this long to get another Metroid Prime game, that isn't even made by Retro!

Just because it made a profit doesn't mean it makes sense financially.

>>383453852
Whoops. Did we ever get confirmation on how much NES Metroid sold? I was told that was also 5 million.

>>383454295
>Did we ever get confirmation on how much NES Metroid sold?
2.83 million

>>383454191
I only remember Sakamoto working on 2D games, I never heard of this Other M you speak of. These are the only 2D Metroid games
Metroid
Metroid II Return of Samus
Super Metroid
Metroid Fusion
Metroid Zero Mission
and the upcoming Metroid Samus Returns

>>383454505
People like you, who deny things just because they don't like it, are terrible human beings. Do you drive home drunk just because you don't like the idea you might have had too much to drink at the bar?

>>383454648
You're not doing it right, if you forget something bad, then you can only think of the good times. Since "that game" isn't a 2D game, it doesn't exist.

>>383454295
i really love how you just dodged my entire post and keep going on about muh big sellers and muh dev team costs when Nintendo outright said a million is even financially fine for them.

seriously, i can't fathom how could someone gets butthurt over Nintendo gives okay over Metroid not being one of those frequent 5 million sellers, while he gives free passes to shit like Zero flopping more so than Command or FE needing 3 versions of the same (awful) game to break 2million for the first time.

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>>383454859
>I forgot I'm drunk, therefore I am not drunk
Clearly I am among intellectuals.

>>383454990
Opportunity costs.

Did I ever give a pass to Zero? I'm well aware we'll probably never get another Star Fox game again.

>>383455004
I guess I need to get my bat, when I'm through with you, you will only remember that there is only 2 Metroid series their is no third type of Metroid game, JUST 2!!!

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>>383455140
>I'm well aware we'll probably never get another Star Fox game again.
Miyamoto is never letting go Star Fox, even despite him saying reception is critical for the series.
i bet he kept trying ways to release SF2 normally so he can have some redemption on doing shitty Zero

>>383434276
So you put blind faith in some random fan made project. Then you don't even have the guts to give it critisim. You just start spouting how amazing it is compared to the AAA dev. Meanwhile having no idea how much effort it takes to make a modern game.

Basically you're just upset that you aren't being pandered to so you'll praise soem fan made shit just cause you think it might cause the real devs to do something.

>>383428024
>I also happen to be saying this months before a new Metroid is coming out, and I need you to buy it so I can purchase another yacht
Does he even make enough for a yacht? I figured even the higher ups in Japan get severely underpayed because its "honorable".
Starting pay for programming in Japan is under $24k a year even though they have the same COL and living standards as the US.

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>even IGA excited for Samus Returns
https://mynintendonews.com/2017/06/24/castlevania-symphony-of-night-designer-is-super-excited-for-metroid-samus-returns/

i need an angry simon belmont wojak for this.

Are AM2Rfags/Metroidfags the worst fanbase? Reading this thread gives me a fucking headache.

>>383458193
Superfags are about as bad as Bungiefags that suck the dicks of ODST and Reach.

>>383458193
see >>383453339

>>383458193
read these threads and tell me this isn't more a headache than this tame ass thread
>>383263331
>>383380735

>>383458193
They really should've just let the series die. I never imagined a fanbase could get MORE cancerous once they decided to actually make new entries.

>>383427902
I probably would be more open to the Prime Federation trooper design if I had seen them like they are in 3 first instead of just seeing them dead in a flashback in 2, they feel so disconnected from Metroid for me.

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>>383458630
>he kill a series over a shitty discussion on /v/
are anti-Metroidcucks this autistic?

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>>383458564
>Nami Komoru
oh great, seems like FEfags are going to have their very own dev boogeyman now
>even japan's on it
i'll get the fucking popcorn

>>383453195
>I thought all the archives died years ago
you fucking wish, they're kept alive on pure autism

>>383458745
>he thinks it's only this thread and only /v/

Whatever you say cuckboi

>>383459087
>it's not /v/ thing i swear!
sure is something to sleep on about faggot

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>>383456425
you have this
:^)