Will Mania save Sonic? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDF aRMmWbKo

I don't see how, we had plenty of fan games before, I don't get why people act like this is impressive

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>>383384381
Yes. Just over 5 more weeks left.

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>>383385032
>DID YOU LIKE THE NEW SUPER MARIO BROS GAMES BEING SHOVED DOWN YOUR THROAT CONSTANTLY? WELL GET READY FOR SEGA'S EQUIVALENT WITH THE SONIC MANIA SERIES!

No, if anything Mania succeeding will make them abandon 3D Sonic all together instead of learning from their mistakes

>>383385032
Because other fangames didn't have support from Sega. Also Sega has already stated that Mania's performance will affect the future development of the series.

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>>383385557

Good.

>>383384381
Not likely. Sonic has over 25 years of games with conflicting atmosphere that relying on just a single kind would get stale and a lot of fans wouldn't appreciate the series stagnating. Which is saying something

It certainly makes up for the piece of shit that was Sonic 4 at least

>>383385557
I blame Sonic Team never having an idea of how to even handle 3D Sonic. Adventure had the best gameplay, but always had tacked on gimmicks everyone hated we never will get to appreciate it on its own

Also Classic Sonic > NSMB so it's not a big loss

>>383385726
classicfags are such cancer

>>383385906
Classicbros are the only ones who actually care about the series, Adventurecuck/Boostbabby.

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>>383385906
>the ones wanting good games are cancer

>>383386039
>not advancing at all is caring
Stop being suck in the 90's, there's more dimensions than two you know. Mania looks like a rom hack compared to Mario Odyssey

>will a glorified ROM hack save Sonic?

All sources point to NO

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>>383385906
>People who want good games are cancer

>>383386198
The series hasn't advanced since 3 & Knuckles, only regressed. Making more shitty games is not good for the franchise, not that a retard like you would understand since you don't even know what a ROM hack is in the first place.

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>>383386294
t. retard

>>383386198
Sonic Team isn't smart enough to pull off a Mario Odyssey

If you want quality games like that hope for Sega to either dissolve Sonic Team and rely on a smarter developer or kick their asses and stop producing mediocre crap

>>383386371
>The series hasn't advanced since 3 & Knuckles
and it never will with Mania

>>383386198
What is there to advance? It's a platformer either way. The only things to do with the genre are to either make a good one or a bad one. Odyssey doesn't look like it's drastically different from it's predecessors. Granted I'm not saying it looks bad.
>there's more dimensions than two you know
Yeah and some people prefer 2D platformers. Just how some people still prefer Super Metroid to Prime. Dimensions are just genres at this point.
>>383386484
That's fine since 3&K is really good and still arguably the pinnacle of the series.

>>383386484
Mania already looks just as good as 3&K even better in some aspects. Without it the series would never get better anyway because the reason why the new games suck compared to the classics is because Sonic Team and Dimps don't understand the fundamentals anymore. Going back to the series roots properly is the best thing to happen to this series in decades.

>>383386484
It will. Mania is a small advancement in the right direction. I'd prefer Sega to refine quality 2D Sonic gameplay into perfection over the next decade instead of attempting a bunch of failed 3D experiments.

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>Years of mediocrity, the best 3D Sonic's been is Generations and even that's losing its luster
>Sega announces a 2D Sonic made by the fans
>Everyone gets excited since Classic Sonic is agreed on being consistently high quality by anyone with a brain
>Some faggots on /v/ still have to shit on it just because >liking things

>>383387376
BUH THE 3D GAEMS ARE AUTOMATICALLY BETTER CUS MORE DIMENSHUNS EX DEEEEEE

>>383387510
3D Sonic is for casuals who grew up with PS2

>>383384381
It's going to be a Sonic game. Have you played Sonic 2 and 3? It will play nearly exactly like that with one new mechanic.

>>383387691
Rather the Gamecube and their first Sonic game's Adventure 2 Battle, which explains why they don't know any better.

>>383386198
Mania isn't trying to be Odyssey. Mania is just supposed to be an actual tribute to the classic games. Now if you want to compare something to Odyssey, look at Forces.

>>383387856
So a fantastic game? Hell yeah, dude.

>>383384381
If I'm being honest, I've only played like 3 sonic games. Thought all 3 were mediocre at best and I've never considered myself a sonic fan. Sonic mania does look better than the average sonic game though. Looking forward to it. Hell, might even end up being great. Make sonic great again

>>383388078
>played like 3 sonic games.
Those being?

Can't wait for this romhack to sell poorly and /v/ to be BTFO.

>>383387913
Anon is being a faggot and trying to compare the Sonic series to one established to have a competent developer

The literal romhack is guaranteed to be fun, while Forces isn't even fucking trying to be any more than a shitty Generations clone. Meanwhile Odyssey looks like it's trying something genuinely new, over the NSMB series which has stagnated with its very second game

That really should explain the state of either series, and the fact Anon's a faggot

>>383387990
If you liked Sonic 2 and 3, you will probably like Sonic Mania. Though, honestly I tried playing them again and it's moreover nostalgia for me. I had more fun with the games when I was a kid.

>>383387376
gamecubebabbys who got sonic adventure 2 battle with their console and super mario sunshine for christmas are now technically adults who can post on /v/

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>>383388173

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>>383388173
Keep dreaming, cuck.

>>383388260
Boost is fucking nothing like Adventure/2, I don't even know why they choose to defend those games

Unleashed onward always have shitty 2D sections that aren't fun and it's obvious that they're hiding behind those awful, awful 2D sections so they don't have to make real 3D games

>>383388173
People had been waiting for a proper 2D Sonic Game for years. The game would have to be literally unplayable in order to underperform. Just look at fucking Generations. Half-assed 2D sections and classic Sonic by themselves made people love this mediocrity.

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>>383384381
I don't know if endlessly remaking S3&K with modified levels will "save the series" but at least we'll get a good game out of it.

>>383388583
This thing stills like one of those shitty 3D fan game engines used for crap 3D Sonic fangames.

>>383388619
>Remaking S3&K
>No S3 levels yet

What did he mean by this?

>>383388763
How's it shitty?

>>383388763
still better than anything Sonic Team's done

>>383388836
>No S3 levels yet
Stop crushing my dream of Hydrocity probably not appearing in the final game.

We're getting Labyrinth, lads:

http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?showtopic=35709&view=findpost&p=895639

http://info.sonicretro.org/Game_Secrets:Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(16-bit)#In-game_vs._technical_level_order

https://twitter.com/teelopesmusic/status/850072943791144964

But on the bright side we're likely to get a Sonic 3 multiplayer stage to represent that game, since that was one of the things they wanted to do for the Sonic 3 & Knuckles remake.

>>383388864
Not really until they make some actually challenging levels using that engine. Adventure and Heores gameplay models also worked pretty well in the first zones.

>>383388942
Hopefully they'll redeem that zone with mania. They've said before that Green hill is the tame act 1 remake, so I'm expecting Labirynth to undergo some radical remodelling.

It's gonna be a fantastic game at least. Sonic getting "saved" at this point has lost all meaning.

>>383389098
Act 2 will be like Hydrocity on steroids, just you wait.

>>383388942
>"What should Sonic Mania's water level be?"
>"Let's use the one that has a general fanbase opinion of 'no fuck this place.'"

brilliant

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>>383388942
>Inb4 Labyrinth was chosen because during the conceptual stages for Sonic 1 it was originally intended to be the second Zone
>After you beat Mania Hill Zone it goes to Labyrinth and they make it one of the most fun stages in the series

>>383388942
>A racing stage from Sonic 3
Neato. It'd be cool to something from the Master System games like Bridge Zone. Labyrinth Zone is fucking terrible, though.

>>383388942
If they do Labyrinth, it'll end up feeling like a Labyrinth/Hydrocity mix. Good mixed with the tedious.

>>383389302
>>A racing stage from Sonic 3
>Neato.
It's not confirmed mind you but it's very likely. Meme man has been hyping up Mania for have tons of really cool surprises such as Mean Bean Machine being the boss for Chemical Plant.

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>>383388942

Nah. The second level will definitely be a new zone, if they start the game with 2 old ones it might turn off people by making them think the entire game will be old levels only.

Moreover if falling down the hole transitions in a new level you have to consider the implications. What if you -don't- fall down? Does it mean that defeating the boss normally would take you to a different stage? Or would it take the player to an act 3?

Those things are unlikely, it will most likely be just a different boss phase, most likely something easier.

>>383388942
Please don't be true, I will lose my shit if it's hydrocity

>>383389921

100% won't be since it's on an entirety different island.

>>383388942
>no hydrocity
it hurts bros

If you dont like labrynth zone then you are a casual cucklord

>>383389979
Who knows, maybe angel island will come crashing down or something. Idk it's a dream game man anything can happen.

>>383384381
Probably not, but its nice to have a good classic Sonic game back

>>383384381
At least the music is good.

>>383390185
But Hydrocity is Labyrinth refined to a mirror shine.

>>383389893
>What if you -don't- fall down?
I don't think that's an option because it would definitely trigger a 3&K level transition cutscene of Sonic chasing Eggman down the hole after the score tally.
>Or would it take the player to an act 3?
I'm 99.9% sure Mania only has 2 acts per zone because the structure so far has been exactly like 3&K (act 1 mini boss->falling sign post, act 2 Eggman boss->animal capsule)

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>>383388942
it's gonna take a lot to make that shit fun. Hope they're up for the challenge

>>383385032
>>383385906
>>383386198
>>383386294
>>383388173

>not liking something based purely on principle

One day these kids will all grow up and realize how retarded they've been.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSdCTS4QTNQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyXg9kAp4Vc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDFaRMmWbKo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52UGIIIp9WE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG6z9E6_LA8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV4WrCW-5Lw

>>383390185
But Hydrocity is Labyrinth but good.

>>383388942
>tfw like Labyrinth just for the music alone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0apF7V9l-VM

>>383390185
Tidal Tempest is better.

>>383388942
>Labyrinth
RIP Hydrocity.

Hopefully they'll be able to get Ice Cap in despite the music issues then. Otherwise I'll be extremely disappointed that neither of the best Sonic 3 zones are in.

>>383390825
Is there any footage of the Mean Bean Machine or The boys,
those dudes bosses?

>>383391909
Nope, only a select few game journos saw them in previews.

Game Gear Labyrinth Zone >>>>>> Genesis Labyrinth Zone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbygcFhV784

Maybe not save it but it's the only Sonic game I've been excited to play in nearly a decade.

>>383386198
>comparing a throwback 2D platformer to a 3D collect-a-thon
You're just being silly.
Besides, it's not like Sega had been pumping out 2D Sonic games since the GBA.

>>383392059
God damn is Sonic 1 8 bit's music underrated.

>>383392059
Aqua Lake >>>>>>>>>>>>>> any iteration of Labyrinth Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qmf8lp7feU

I wonder what Dimps does now.

>>383392314
Still making episode 3

>>383392274
>Azure Lake >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdrHtJk4o1E

>>383392314
Hopefully wallow in self-pity

Get a different developer to make 2D Sonic. Seriously

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>>383392198
>yfw Janet Jackson sampled Bridge Zone from 8-bit Sonic
https://youtu.be/MXDG6zFcCi8?t=96

>>383390825
It looks like we can rule out what zones aren't getting in based on the gimmicks put into the zones that were shown off.

In Chemical Plant act 2 we see stuff from Wacky Workbench, Metallic Madness, and Star Light zone, so I'm guessing they won't make an appearance. In Flying Battery there's reverse gravity which also rules out Death Egg. I'm guessing that Flying Battery 2 will borrow a lot more stage gimmicks since Chem Plant 2 seems to point towards that being the pattern.

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>>383392439
>Get a different developer to make 2D Sonic.
Leave Sonic to us.

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>>383392435
>Oil Ocean: the multiplayer map
>better

>>383392314
According to Wikipedia mostly working on fighting games, including work on Street Fighter V, Xenoverse 2 and a Boku no Hero Academia game.

>>383388382
I hate that USA can still pre-order the PS4 version. :(

>>383392556
More like Oil Ocean except good.

>>383392059
God the OST for 8 bit Sonic was catchy as fuck.

>>383392636
Well, that's because it's not 5 minutes long of doing random shit trying to know where the fuck to go.

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http://www.strawpoll.me/13392381

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>>383392518
>In Chemical Plant act 2 we see stuff from Wacky Workbench, Metallic Madness, and Star Light zone,
and Quartz Quadrant/Carnival Night. Plus Stardust Speedway has stuff from Marble Garden and Mushroom Hill.

>>383392991
I want a Sonic Rivals level

https://data-discs.com/products/sonic-mania

Reminder to preorder this for any /mu/ fags lurking

>>383392628
I'm pretty sure all versions sold out over there, you can still pre-order the Xbone version in Europe if you want.

>>383385715
>ruin the surprise

It's Hidden Palace Zone isn't it?

>>383385557

I really really hope this happens.
I want Sega to give the rights of Sonic to Tax... let him pump out new Sonic Mania games as frequently as Fire Emblem.

>>383393185
The Sonic 2 remake already had that.

>>383392991
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hegAVk7TxJ4

Balloon Palace or riot.

>>383393806
I want Chrome Gadget

>>383393806
Do you want Balloon Park or Desert Palace?

>>383384381

Nope. I think mania will be pretty good but sega won't take the lessons to heart (see sonic forces shaping up to be ass)

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>>383384381

It's going to be a great Sonic game, it's going to be a great Classic Sonic game as well, but it won't save the franchise.

The only ones who can do that are Sonic Team and until they get their heads out of their collective asses and stop misreading every single message the fans and the people close to them send them it won't happen.

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Threadly reminder that this website is pure unfiltered kino.

http://sonic.sega.jp/SonicMania/

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>>383385557

Na'h, it's more like if we had tons of Mario 3 esque games shoved down our throat. Not ideal, but not the worst possible timeline either.

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>tfw you want to go into no spoilers mode so that the rest of the zones are a surprise but at the some time you want to keep browsing these threads

What do I do, lads?

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>>383393806
>Sonic 3 rep is Balloon Park with elements from Spring Yard, Casino Night and Carnival Night
>85% of act 1 has to be original since the original level is just a race track

>or even crazier, every competition level put into a blender

>>383394481
wrong pic, I'm a retard.

>>383394440
It's pretty flashy.

>>383394489
Mania's dev team have said they aren't revealing anymore details. Legit when the game releases I'm staying off /v/ till I see everything the game has.

>>383388382
FUCKING NEAT

>>383385557
>this happens
>the comics are dead
Will Adventurecucks and Boostoddlers finally go extinct?

Anyone else doesn't care for Azure Lake? I think Aqua Lake from 8 bit Sonic 2 does the lake theme better.

>>383388260
I love this post anon, thank you.

>>383392991

Azure Lake 4 lyfe

>>383394779
Balloon Park, Chrome Gadget and Endless Mine were my stages.

>>383394119
This image is so

I get it, it's cringe, but

It's so fucking bad, it's like art? do yo uknow what I mean? like you could frame this shit and be seen as a fucking genius or a complete moron

That fucking look of utter dread in that boys eyes, mixed with that level 1 straight outta uni philosophy degree sentence

it's fucking art

>>383388583
This looks like a very cool concept yet at the same time it's mostly running on empty space with some elevation changes here and there.

Also, I bet the enemies are slow ass moving obstacles at best and the best way to deal with them is just skipping them altogether instead of having any kind of interaction.

>>383388583
There's nothing to do, and there's no focus. It's only fun at first when you learn how to go fast, and then the fun fades away.

You guys keep shilling this demo as a game, but when people say the "game" is boring you always backpeddle into >REEEEEE ITS A TECH DEMO

>>383394779
I never got past that zone as kid.

>>383390825

That studiopolis music is enough to make me weep. It captures the feel so perfectly, could have been made 25 years ago and still be held up as one of the best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMtWq2kA_nc

>>383395112
>>383395123
Wait for SAGE 2017.

>>383395103
It's a screenshot from a documentary about a boy with autism, with Sonic being one of his only ways to escape.

>>383392991
>http://www.strawpoll.me/13392381
>Chrome gadget winning

My faith in /v/ has been restored.

>>383385032
Normal people haven't nor know how to play those games.

>>383395351
>documentary
No, it was an artsy fartsy indie film.

>>383395438
>That aesthetic
>That music
Clear winner.

If Mania have 9 old stages, does this mean Sonic CD will be the one with only one stage?

>>383396442
where are you getting 9 stages from?

Are there any more playable characters other than Sonic, Tails and Knuckles?

I mean I can play as all 3 of them in the phone games.

>>383385032
Fan games lack budget and often don't get finished for various means. This is an official Sega product with the budget, direction, and cohesion that all of that implies, with actual good members of the fan game community.

Also, it won't save Sonic, at least in the public eye, he's always going to be a joke to people, but this is a good start.

>>383396959
No: >>383385715

>>383385032
Production values + polish. Compare Mania to After the Sequel and Time Twisted and you'll see a world of a difference.

>>383396596
5 Hard Boiled Heavies → 5 new original stages + one final stage → 60% remixed 40% new → 9 old stages

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>>383397258
You fucked up anon. If only 40% are new, then you would have to have 6-7 remixed stages to be 60%

>sonic mania comes out and is everything hardcore sonic fans want
>most people finally realise sonic was never that good
>critical reception is lukewarm
>sales are amongst the lowest of all sonic games

mania is the game that kills the franchise

>>383396959
No, but people speculate that there will be one unlockable secret character since all Whiteman ports had at least one.

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>>383385032
Fuck off Arin. This is what we want Sonic Team to do, but 10 times better, not 100 times worse. Until that faggot Iizuka and the director of 06 and Forces dies off, Taxman does what Segain't.

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>>383397571
Keep deluding yourself.

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>>383385032
>>383386198
>>383386294

>>383385032 (Cont)
Oh and one other thing btw.

>>383397569
Final stage possibly also original since it's been confirmed Death Egg isn't returning. So that's 6 new stages.

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>>383397571
>Small retro title that will most likely make back most of its budget made by a group of passionate, off-hand devs
>Killing the series
Forces is the only game the even has the chance of killing the series.

>>383397571
Mania is probably the only reason people even care about Sonic in 2017.So keep deluding yourself

>>383384381
Is Mania getting a physical Switch release?

Anyone got the Genesis arrange of Mirage Saloon Zone?

>>383399432
No physical release for every platform. Just digital release.

>>383399432
Maybe?

//forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?showtopic=35709&view=findpost&p=898253

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>>383399537
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z-JhQmoFWQ

>>383392991

No love for Endless Mine, you know it would be cozy like Lava Reef Zone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SKcTZNeRnQ

>>383384381
>floaty controls
fucking no, why can't they do tight controls in 2017?

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>>383400254
>>floaty controls
>classic Sonic

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Will they play Mania?

>>383400254
This isn't the Forces thread.

>>383400459
I hope not, because they already are a piece of shit.

>>383400324
She's just making random shit up. No need to reply to the bait.

>>383400459
It would be pretty fucking cringy because Oney, like Egoraptor doesn't know shit about vidya.

>>383400459
What's their opinion on Sonic, are they part of the "Sonic was never good" group?

>>383400709
Dingdong was defending Sonic Adventure all throughout their playthrough.

>>383400459
Game Grumps for the people who hate Game Grumps.

>>383400903
Is he an Adventurecuck or does he realize that the classic are objectively the best?

>>383400927
Grumps won't play Mania, Arin explicitly goes out of his way to only play the worst games and refuses to play any of the good ones on the show.

>>383400972
Don't know, I don't think they've done a Classic game on the show yet.

>>383400972
>Gay furfag
He's an Adventurecuck.

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>>383401060
>Former animation unironically said that Mania's title screen is "over animated"

>>383401119
I can see it already:

>Sonic wasn't good until 1998!

>>383401060
>>383401214
reminder that e-celebs who promote the "sonic was never good" meme are chumps who were personally offended by sega ads taking shots at nintendo

>>383400459
I hate oneyplays.

>>383401214
>>Former animator
That's what gets me the most about that petty complaint, it's like nigga at least it HAS animation, you fucking let's play sell out.

>>383400972
the latter. He's excited for Mania and they played a bit of Sonic CD during the Ouya episode and he loved it.

>>383401119
But he did a CD play through on The Best Gamers stream and on his own stream he said he's looking forward to Mania.
>>383401549
I mean would you trust a shitty flash animator on his animation opinions? Kind of like trusting an Olive Garden chef's opinion on food. Forgive the food analogy.

>>383401732
Good, maybe I'll check out their playthrough if they do one.

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>>383384381
>>383385298
>>383390825
>tfw taste the pixel level physics accuracy

>>383388260
Gamecubebabby here, 3D Sonic was never unironically good and Mania is going to be the best game in years
t.lifelong adventurefag

Mania can't save Sonic. In order for it to do that, it would need to sell really, really well. Unfortunately, the chances of a retro-style 2D platforms accomplishing that is really low.

>>383402381
>Unfortunately, the chances of a retro-style 2D platforms accomplishing that is really low.
t. clueless

>>383401119
Julian is the gay furfag.

>>383402585
Sonic Generations sold 3.7 million copies and is basically the most popular of the "modern" Sonic games. If Mania manages to outsell that, that's when Sega execs will turn their heads and decide shit needs to change.

I dont possibly see how it could be a bad game from everything we have seen.

Everything looks great. Remix levels look fantastic, new drop dash mechanic, graphics and physics are top notch. New levels and music look cool.

What exactly could go wrong?

>>383403352
>What exactly could go wrong?
Literally nothing.

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>>383402381
Sonic is in need of critical praise, not huge sales. Every Sonic game does well financially even turds like '06 and Boom. Look at how they reacted to the praise the Unleashed day stages got. If something works they keep at it and Mania works.

>>383403517
A business produces what sells. As long as it makes money, nothing else matters to them. A "revolution" won't just happen if people like a thing. The only thing that convinces businessmen is cold, hard cash.

>>383403352
Only way that could happen is if it's somehow broken as fuck or the physics don't work properly, which almost certainly won't be the case considering it's using the same engine the 1/2/CD ports do.

>>383403718
Sonic will sell no matter what. I can't name another franchise with so many blemishes that still stands today. That fanbase is dedicated. 06 would of killed any other franchise but Sonic's still here.

>>383404118
Basically This. Shadow was a garbage spin-off everyone hates but still outsold Devil May Cry 3.

Mania doesn't have anything to worry about in terms of sales. The majority of the fan base, critics and even normies are really hyped for it. Collector's Editions are already sold out everyone and I keep seeing plenty of people who pre-ordered digital copies by now.

>>383385906
Let me guess your one of the fags that think Forces will be good?

>>383405550
Not that guy but this is a perfect opportunity to list everything I hate about forces
-3 gameplay style, none of which looks good
-classic Sonic for no reason
-the game looks like fucking Sonic SATAM/comic game adaptation, except with none of the OC characters
-the story is supposed to be serious, yet we get fucking Green Hill Zone again
-story being serious again is by itself a bit eh
-villains don't make any fucking sense. Shadow was supposed to be a good guy by this point. There is no reason why chaos should return
-one of the villains is another fucking hedgehog
-bosses look totally banal and boring
-too easy to get an S-rank, some guy on youtube already did
-fucking Sonic friends never shut-up. It's like making an entire game out of Generations boss
-avatar options are retarded. No Squirrels, Foxes or Echidnas. What a load of crap. Not to mention abilities are unbalanced as fuck.
-music is garbage

>>383385032
Well done, anon. You sure got yourself a lot of (You)s there.

>>383406129
It looks like they took Sonic Generations and somehow fucked it up. Also the over reliance on 2D sections in 3D games is really getting annoying

I think after the initial boom of everyone freaking out over the Donut the Steal it just looks like shit and feels like a decade too late. Imagine the reaction if a game like Sonic 06 was announced with the avatar. Now it's nothing but jokes

It's like the more they reveal about it, the worse it gets

>>383406129
>Shadow was supposed to be a good guy by this point
The one game in which he's a good guy (06) was wiped from canon and since then he has only reappeared in Generations, so he very well could still be a neutral character who became bad for whatever reason.
Is Shadow the Hedgehog canon to mainline Sonic?

>>383406658
>Is Shadow the Hedgehog canon to mainline Sonic?
Yes.

>>383384381
Yes and then Forces will fuck it up again.

>>383406776
ugh, why?? Thanks for the answer anyway.

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>>383406776
how? there's like a million different endings. 06 is retconned and yet that shit isn't?

>>383406658
Wasn't he already a good guy at the end of Adventure 2? I think that the only game he appeared him where he wasn't openly heroic at the end was Heroes.

>>383406658
All games made by Sonic Team and questionably Dimps are canon. Anything that they haven't worked on doesn't count

>>383406952
Because it basically exists to bury Sonic Adventure 2's story and anything to do with Gerald and Maria Robotnik or GUN from the continuity

>>383407018
Shadow has a true story ending, remember? The one you get access to after getting every other what if ending.

>>383407018
Last Story exists

Whatever happens in-game doesn't matter but the last level you have to unlock

>>383407205
>>383407224
Oh, I never played that game 100% and I feel bad for anyone that did. Getting one ending was more than enough

>>383406658
He's been a good guy since the end of Adventure 2, you can go for evil endings in Shadow the Hedgehog but it can't be canon since the final ending is him helping everyone defeat the aliens and saving the world.

>>383407397
I haven't played it at all.

>>383407115
Maybe I can stomach Shadow being canon, but Sonic 4? No way, not with the way it messed up Sonic CD's placement in the timeline as well as Little Planet's status (currently trapped).

>>383407517
it's like Sonic Heroes but your playing as the slippery as hell speed character the whole time with worse level designs. Also guns but they're not nearly as bad as people make them out to be, the asinine plot and controls are much worse

>>383408057
Guns area actually a blessing because without them you'd have to rely on unreliable homing attack.

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>>383408040
4's not canon anymore, ep. II ended on a cliffhanger and the third episode was cancelled before the second one even came out.

There's shit levels all over, so no.

>Flying Battery
>Green Hill
>Chemical Plant

NOT SAVED

>>383407018
>HERO OR VILLAIN? YOU DECIDE
>jk shadow is actually a hero

am i the only one who hates both hydrocity and labyrinth? my water level of choice is aquatic ruins. very comfy

>>383408514
All 3 are good. The only problem is that Green Hill and Chemical Plant are overused as hell.

>>383408514
So, what are the shit levels?

>>383408040
Doesn't CD take place between 1 and 2? What did Sonic 4 change?

Also Sonic 4 has to be easily one of the laziest games to ever be made. It's like it exists to make NSMB look original and daring

The moba generation is ruining video games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI97jY3FZ9Q

It's aight

>>383406129
>-avatar options are retarded. No Squirrels, Foxes or Echidnas. What a load of crap. Not to mention abilities are unbalanced as fuck.
>Echidnas
They're all dead, m8. I agree with literally everything else, but the Sonic autism in me is flaring up.

>>383385906
sega is obviously trying to reset everything to see where they went wrong the first time instead of endlessly trying new gimmicks in the hope that one will finally catch on.

Predict Mania and Forces's overall rating.

Mania: 9/10

Forces: 7/10

>>383408771
I think they changed it so that it takes place after 3&K, which I don't approve of because CD was perfectly fine nestled between 1 and 2 like you said. Little Planet gets trapped inside the Death Egg mk. II at the end of Episode II, which is never resolved.

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>>383408898
Genuinely thought this was one of the fan versions before I saw which channel uploaded it.

>>383408040
Obligatory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYMenKEwpps

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>>383408514
>Flying Battery
that's one of the better later stages in 3&K. Sandopolis immediately after sucks.
>Green Hill
it's not a shit level, just overdone
>Chemical Plant
are you one of those scrubs who drowns during the rising water platforming part because that's easy as hell and you should be ashamed for thinking it's challenging. Metropolis on the other hand is purposely shitty.

>>383408947
I thought only Knuckles "tribe" or whatever was dead. Isn't killing all Echidnas a bit extreme. In addition, since they've adapted the whole "Eggman is the evil overlords, Sonic is the rebel" shtick, they might as well start including Penders bullshit.

>>383408514

You forgot >>383388942

Labyrinth adds not only the double dip of garbage from Sonic 1, but another shit zone.

>>383409128
Mania: 75-85%
Forces >65%

>>383408641
>aquatic ruins. very comfy
More like very boring. Never got the appeal for that stage.

>>383409129
Well the Sonic 4 marketing team were dumb enough to say Knuckles' campaign took place at the same time as Sonic's so it's obvious they don't play the games

>>383409536
It didn't? Holy fuck, I was wrong my entire life.

>>383408898
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e9r5hx47kxM

>>383400709
Ding Dong is a classic physics savant and is excited for Mania. Chris seems just fine with the 2D games, not strongly. Julian probably only cares about Vector.

>>383385298
This image is posted in every Sonic Mania thread.

>>383408671
How is Chemical Plant currently overused? I mean, I guess you can argue that once Mania and Forces come out, but otherwise it's only shown up in 2 main games, Sonic 2 and Generations.

>>383409128
Mania: 80-92%
Forces: 60-78%

>>383409536
Also they said Sonic CD was a prequel to Sonic 4, What. I honestly think i was set between Sonic 1 and 2

>>383388942
Act 2's music better be the Game Gear version's music.
It could be great.
https://youtu.be/EbygcFhV784

>>383409592
Pay attention to the background in Angle Island while playing as both Sonic and Knuckles.

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>>383409642
Fuck Mariel, these are our guys.

>>383384381
What if the events of Sonic Mania takes place before the events where Classic Sonic appears in Sonic Forces.

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>>383409648
It's a cool webm.

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>>383408898
>singer from Hoobastank
I thought Mania was the throwback game. They couldn't get Crush 40 for this?

>>383408898

>Main theme's called Fist Bump

Cringe

>>383409708
>>383409129
Technically speaking, I don't think CD's placement was officially confirmed. However, the Tails easter egg, the fact that both games were in development at the same time and the implication that Sonic 2-3 & Knuckles took place consecutively (kinda), it being between 1 and 2 makes the most sense.

>>383409657
And Pocket Adventure, and Wreck it Ralph.

>Hydrocity Zone
>Labyrinth Zone
>Chemical Plant Zone

7/10 too much water NEXT SHIT GAME PLEASE

>>383408898
Eh this doesn't sound too bad I gu-
>the singer
AHHHH REPRESSED 2003 AWFUL MEMORIES OF MINE

>>383408514
>Flying Battery
>Shit
I'll give you the other two, but Flying Battery is great you tasteless hack.

>>383410273
Hydrocity wasn't confirmed.

>>383409850
>>383409648
And it's my first time seeing it. Thanks anon for posting the webm

>>383409592
http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_3_%26_Knuckles_chronology_and_endings#Knuckles_After_Sonic.3F

>>383410273
>Hydrocity

weak bait 2/10

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>>383410448
You're welcome.

>>383410273

But bubble shields now exist.

Anyways, I love labyrinth zone's aesthetics and music.

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>>383410629

>>383410762
Shit like this makes me rock-hard.

>>383408641
Aquatic Ruin is a lot like Hill Top. It's painless but extremely forgettable. I consider them both nice transitional zones for more iconic levels. I like Hydrocity, especially the way Act 2 starts out

>>383384381
what do you mean "save"? It's not going anywhere - it's pretty secured with its fanbase.
Or did you mean "will it save SEGA"?

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>>383410629
>>383410762
>People call this shit "just a romhack"
>People say this isn't pushing the boundaries of Sonic at all

Friendly reminder that

>PC cucks will cheat the leaderboards
>There will be no 16-bit soundfont option for an arrange soundtrack in the options menu for the game
>This wait will be pointless, and once you 100% the game, you'll never touch it again unless you have speedrunning autism.

Sigh.

>>383385557
3D Sonic is a mistake

>>383410978
I've meant if it will push make Sega start making quality games again.

>>383384381
Why is it running at 60fps though? The original games didn't do that.

>>383411125
>you'll never touch it again unless you have speedrunning autism.
luckily that's what the classic fanbase is known for

>>383387691

What is Sonic 3D Blast on Sega Saturn for 200, Alex?

>>383411189
popularity has never pushed quality - only talents within the dev team

>>383411213
Because it's supposed to be a game Sega could have made if they decided to make a quality 2D mainline Sonic title for Saturn.

>>383411213
Because it can?

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>>383411125
>2015+2
>not replaying classic Sonic games at least once every year
ISYGDDT

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>>383411343
Not even true 3D that was a port to make up for the mismanagement of the Saturn

>>383411125
>and once you 100% the game, you'll never touch it again unless you have speedrunning autism.
I still play the classic Sonic games despite beating them 100% tons of times. Why would this be any different?

>>383411365
Sorry for not making my point clear. I've meant if it will finally convince Sega to replace Iizuka and all the other hacks.

>>383411463
Hey, there was true 3D! In the Special Stages of the Saturn version (and not the PC version)

>>383410456
Angel Island bit is mindblowing.

>>383411213
>not wanting your speed based platformer to run at 60fps
next you'll say you don't want widescreen either

>>383411491
I think SEGA is just slowly burning into nothingness and within such atmosphere not a single executive usually feels like pushing an envelope and do something drastic - they just ride the wave, meet the quarterly report figures (or attempt to explain the underperformance to business co-owners)

>>383411696
Sonic CD wasn't widescreen, and they still figured out how to make it a fine experience. Just move the screen forward and you get a better view of what's ahead.

>>383384381
Sonic doesn't need to be saved dude. The guy has survived a terrible 2D-3D jump with Blast, was completely absent for generation five, had his goddamn console manufacturer pull out, made not one, but two of the worst games of all time, within the span of a year, cameback, failed, came back successfully, then made another one of the worst games of all time. No matter what he does, his brand for some reason, is still gonna be worth something. Nothing can stop him.

>>383411835
But why not make it widescreen when you can?

>>383411428

Rocket Knight Adventures is my go to "once a year" game

I feel like there's no point to play S3+K unless I go ultra autism and go for all chaos emeralds, and I don't particularly have it in me to blue sphere. Not anymore.

I just prefer RKA to Sonic. Always have.

>>383411696
Retro Engine already supports custom resolutions, so a 4:3 setting isn't out of the question. Now for me to dig out my old CRT so I can enjoy some Mania the authentic way

>>383411835
>Sonic CD wasn't widescreen,
The definitive version of CD is however.

>>383411948
Why make a game that harks back to the past if you're not gonna make it faithful?

>>383411765
Than I can at least hope that Mania will outperform Forces and make him commit suicide out of shame.

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>>383384381
God, finally a Sonic game after over 20 years that is going to be good.
WAHOOO Jump Man was always a subhuman disgusting 40 year old smelly Italian faggot pedo shit I had to bear with because of lack of proper Sanic games.

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>>383411835
>Sonic CD wasn't widescreen
the taxman port was and it's the definitive way to play Sonic CD. If only they had a steam release for 1 & 2 and make 3&K after Mania. Release that shit already SEGA

Sonic force will outsell sonic mania.

Be ready for the OC era in the future sonic games

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I found pudding!

>>383412038
To make it play better than the originals?

>>383411957
>Rocket Knight Adventures
I should go back to that one more often, loved it to bits when I was a kid. I bought the reboot like five years ago and only made it to the middle and never came back to it, just wasn't compelled to because it's so boring, not even bad but just really uninspired.

>>383412401
post that comic if you're so great
but seriously don't do that

>>383411213
yes they did

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>>383412386
delet
i'm fine with both selling well. A Sonic OC creator would of been amazing for me as a kid

>>383412931
I now realized that I'd play the hell out of Pop Team Epic Sonic-style platformer. Or just a hack that replaces Sonic with Popuko.

>>383412384
Sega is a bunch of pussies and they're too scared of the Michael Jackson's rights owners, even though his name is nowhere to be found anywhere.

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>>383408467
HOLY SHIT, HOW DID I NOT SEE THAT

THE BUTTONS REPRESENT THE CLASSIC GAMES

SONIC 1 2 3 &KNUCKLES

NOW WE GOT MANIA AT THE TOP

IM GOING TO CUM MY DICK OPEN

>>383413306

>CD is not canon.

RIP good games

>>383384381
>
sanic doesn't need saving, he is doing just fine

>>383413420
Stardust Speedway is in Mania, so Mania isn't ignoring it.

>>383413420
They dropped the ball on that one.

>>383413420
>Stardust Speedway's in Mania
It's still canon but doesn't have set place in the timeline.

>>383413420
sanic cd sucks

>>383413291
Didn't they also cancel the comic because some shit writer pulled a Penders on them?

>>383413587
that's because cd never happened

sanic went back in time and undid everything that happened

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>Tfw 5 weeks until we get to hear Tee Lopes God Tier Stardust Speedway remix.

>>383413420
It wasn't done by Yuji Naka

Sonic 3&K follows up 2 while CD was an experimental sidestep for the series

>>383413420
Of course its canon, why Amy would stalk Sonic without that game?

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>>383413717

>>383413845
>Amy is not in Mania

>>383413740
Every fucking game made after S3&K was an experimental sidestep.

I NEED CHROME GADGET IN THUS GAME LIKE I NEED ANIME GIRL FEETS IN MY FACE LADS

>>383388942
Tee lopes already said that each photo he twitts or posts on his facebook doesnt mean "X confirmed"

>>383411125
>Sigh.
you should've written that at the start of the post so i wouldn't have to waste my time reading this all

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>>383414220
You mean there won't be a Sonic Boom remix done by him?

>>383412038
>the game is not faithful, it's bad!
>the game is a romhack, it's bad!
there is just no pleasing everyone

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>>383399775
I hope this implies we'll get a 16-bit option for the OST when playing the game.

People love shitting on Sonic 4 but I believe it had the best Metal Sonic boss fights in the series, really hoping to see Metal Sonic return in Mania, and hoping for the best in Forces. Metal Sonic as a one-off in CD and Generations is a bit disappointing, though it makes more sense in Generation's (and Mania's) context, hoping to see him as a reoccurring villain and rival throughout Forces like he did in 4 though.

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>>383412038
because you're eliminating a flaw and making it a better experience. WILL YOU UNSATISFIED FAGGOTS EVER BE QUENCHED?

What kind of devilry is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me2mMnZdGFQ

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>Post yfw Pre-ordered sonic mania

>>383415617
Tee and Stealth keep stressing that this was done just for fun.

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>>383416360
The deed's done. Now to play the waiting game.

>>383416193
I don't know why slutty sonic is so hot

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>>383416360
On every available platform

>>383416381
That's disappointing then, I still hope later down the line something comes from it, even if it's free DLC or something, at the very least maybe a mod but I'd still prefer to hear all 16-bit remixes be from Tee but I doubt that'll happen if he only did this one for fun.

>>383416658
Cuisine's Sonic is better.

>>383416864
I'd gladly pay 5 bucks more to get a 16 bit music option.

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>>383416117
If they wanted to eliminate a flaw, they'd cancel the game.

>>383416867
his uploads are so slow

>>383417060
We're not there yet. Mania needs to outsell Forces before the Japanese go full "WAITO PIGGU GO HOME" and sabotage everything

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>>383416360

>>383416658
cuz your gay for sonic

>>383417442
Well, we already know it's shit thanks to reports of people that have played it, so only the most delusional fanboys and furries will buy the damn thing.

>>383413717
But wait, will it be the US or JP one?
What if it's US one for one act and the JP one for the other?

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>>383418006
& knuckles

>>383417060
>>383418056
This isn't the Forces thread, sweetie.

>>383418056
but can Mania outsell the amount of autism an OC creator entails. We'll just have to find out

>>383418317
Forces demise is needed so Sonic can prevail.

>>383418387
That's a good point, and a worrisome one indeed.

Whats the best version of Stardust Speedway's theme?

>>383418920
Good Future JP.

>>383418920
I don't know why, but I always liked US's bad future the most. I think it was most fitting for the race against Metal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRcR0v6I_w8

>>383418920
I really like Present JP, Good Future US, and both versions of Bad Future.

>>383400586
Dingdong is pretty good, tho

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>>383418920
My favorite is the Past rendition of it, hell it's like one of my favorite songs in video games in general & you have no idea how excited I am to hear it in Mania. One fucking month away until we get Mania, I don't believe it's finally happening soon, I'm legitimately so hyped.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHLaaOSaOY8

>>383418617
Mania has an advantage. There are no big Sonic releases before it releases and the press already likes it. On the other hand Sonic Forces will release a few months after Mania, which is bad for two reasons. First of all fans won't be starving for a new Sonic game. Secondly, subpar 2D sections and Edgy theme will look bad in contrast to Mania. Classic Sonic will be a nail to the coffin. When Generations was released most people already forgot how the originals played so he was a welcomed addition. When Forces is released Mania will still be fresh in everyone's memory and nu-Classic Sonic will look like ass in contrast with the real Classic Sonic.

>There's still not a clean rip of the miniboss theme heard in GHZ Act 1
baka

>>383385557
A man can dream
https://youtu.be/21LGv8Cf0us

Hopefully I get to hear this again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8epM3f7ub8

>tfw we still haven't heard Mirage Saloon's Act 1 music
>or a clean rip of the miniboss theme for that matter

>>383385906
B8