Does Ryzen offer the best bang for your buck when it comes

>>383377417
I dunno about the 7 but I ordered the 5 1600 and it's doing well so far. I'm not gonna touch intel products for a while until amd fucks up.

>>383377417
yes

>>383377573
whats your temp

Eh, it's sort of a toss up. Honestly depends on what you plan to do with it. Ryzen's got more cores and is better for performing a variety of functions in addition to gaming. Intel is more focused on gaming performance and seems to get better results for those who focus exclusively on that.

>>383377573

The last AMD I owned, I had a pair of 2000+ cpus, the ones with the lower clock speed but higher ticks per second. I think they were like 1.6ghz but ran equivalent to a 2ghz.

I will never touch AMD again. Shit was definitely cheaper but holy shit it was hot as shit and was dinky as hell.

I 100% Intel now.

>>383377748
How does the 1600 stack up against Intel's similarly priced equivalent for gaming performance?

>>383378297
You're missing out because now intel is the hot and dinky one what with the 90c housefires and mandatory delidding

>>383378904

I have an i7 and mine doesn't ever go higher than 70 under extreme load, like Battlefield for 5 hours load.

I'm not opposed to using better equipment but from where I'm sitting, AMD just pops up with a gimmick and goes 'WE'RE BETTER!' and offer arbitrary numbers.

It's like when someone brags about their IQ, it's such a subjective number. Ultimately what it boils down to is how many years will it last and how much of a hassle it is.

>>383377417
just wait for the threadripper

>>383379168
Kaby lake and the new i9s are huge housefires and pieces of shit, the last good intel chips were sandy bridge.

>gimmick
I don't think you actually researched ryzen beyond fanboy forums or shitposts because ryzen is a legitimately good chip. It has the IPC equivalent of broadwell. Broadwell started at like 1k and you can get ryzen for 400 dollars or less.

The ryzen 7 eight core is like two 4790ks glued together. How the fuck is that a gimmick? Plus they're soldered, no delid bullshit.

The 6 cores, yes, because they are good value for money and if you need more you can upgrade to a Zen+ or Zen2 8-core in a couple years without throwing away your motherboard.

The 8 cores a bit less so just for gaming, but an overclocked 1700 is still a lot of value for money.

Only alternative are Intel quadcores, which are an exercise in planned obscolences.

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For gaming? Not really currently. You'd be better served by a 7700k on a pure performance standpoint. Most games don't really utilize Ryzen properly. Whether that's an issue with the hardware, Windows, or the actual games is sort of up in the air, because the platform is so young and still has some slight issues.

If you do more than gaming however (content creation), then Ryzen is a great choice. Ryzen pretty much blows away anything else Intel could offer in its price range in most of those cases.

Still, I'd say just get Ryzen to help stir up some healthy competition. Intel has been sitting on their asses for far too long.

>>383379221
This^
Threadripper will be the ultimate CPU for rpcs3.

>>383378297
>I will never touch AMD again. Shit was definitely cheaper but holy shit it was hot as shit and was dinky as hell.
ah right so because you didn't get a good fan you've decided that AMD aren't worth it

dumb cunt

>>383379398
>>383379354

It's so hard to separate truth from delusional fiction though. I don't know of any objective comparison sites that test things I care about.

I don't care how fast it can apply a filter to a 32 gig jpeg, I just want to play vidya. Once you get off the numbers wagon it's full on feudal AMD vs. Intel combat as far as the eye can see.

>>383379830

I had a great fan but it was still a warm CPU, anon. I'm not here to joust with you on semantics of the word hot, maybe you should go back to reddit where you can downvote things you don't like.

Depends what you're after. There are valid reasons to go for both the ryzen 1600 or 7700k, both of which are the best price/perf of their respective line-ups.

Don't fall for the AMD gpu meme though.

>>383379863
in 90% of games it doesn't even make a difference which CPU you buy. Only way to tell a difference is to run high end GPUs on low resolutions.

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>>383377417
>Rich and don't care about wasting money?
>Plan on upgrading your whole motherboard and CPU in the next year?(6 cores intel came out soon next year, so does devs will make them compatible with it)
>Okay with spending more money for another expensive CPU fan or not care having your CPU throttling due to heat?
Go with Intel

>>383377417
Here is the real question, is intel x series worth buying?

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>>383379991
>Don't fall for the AMD gpu meme though

The RX 480 and RX 580 are solid mid tier GPUs with great price/performance. Nothing really wrong with them.

Not to mention NVIDIA no longer has things like Shadowplay or GSync to hold over people's heads to tempt them, so the competition is only getting more interesting.

Vega is looking kind of shaky though. Won't lie there.

>>383379863
Just because you don't care about synthetic benchmarks doesn't mean they aren't relevant

In terms of video games 4 are still good, but there are videos on youtube showing how eight cores actually help for smoothness vs 4 core, since the 4 cores cores will be mostly under load vs the 8 core being under half load

>>383380197
Fuck no. And I say that as someone who fucking loves Intel.

>>383380179
>6 cores intel came out soon next year, so does devs will make them compatible with it
What did he mean by this?

>>383380179
>just wait!
or you could just buy ryzen 1600 now and cruise for the next 8 years

r5 1600 is the best value cpu in the mid-range market with the longest longevity.

>>383377681
Not him but high 30s low 40s idle and high 40s low 50s under load. Overclocked to 3.6ghz on stock cooler

>>383379943
not other anon, I agree with you. I've had an r9 290 for a few years and it is hot as hell. I've got good fans but the issue is that all that hot air gets pushed out... into my apartment. In my tiny apartment it gets to the point where I can't play demanding games in summer because it's just too fucking hot in the room to comfortably sit there.

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>>383380307
This was from a game that came out in 2012.

>>383379776
Kinda fucking doubt it, but the R7 1700 would be great for it

>>383380207
Maybe if you're American. AMD has never been cheaper for me when it comes to gpu. Also we're talking about midrange gpu's which use as much power as 1080/ti under load which isn't impressive at all (rx 580).

At the end of the day most people buy whichever is the cheapest for them and pretty much everywhere outside of America has Nvidia cheaper hence why they sell a fuckload.

>paying 300 trumpbucks for 4 cores in the current year

>>383380494
I was commenting more on your english than your point.

>>383380606
Its pretty cheap in china and SEA before the etherium craze, sorry yurop.

>>383380706
Chink chong nip nong.

>>383379727
>7700k meme
Don't listen to this retard. The 7700k is only good for content creation. You will not notice a difference in games between a 7600k and a 7700k. ryzen performance isn't far behind intel so you won't notice much while gaming. ryzen 5 1600 or an i5 7600k is your best bet

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>>383380485
When is this meme going to die? GTX 780/780ti produced just as much heat, so do current high end cards like the 1080ti.

>>383378904
This.
>Get a devils canyon
>only considered OK because I put the equivalent of a car radiator in my case

Never again.

>>383380494
>doesn't say which game

nice strawman

>>383380893
https://medium.com/layerth/benchmarks-dota-2-streaming-feat-i7-vs-ryzen-b9a4936499bd

>>383380810
I can't comment on the heat output of cards that I haven't owned. I can comment on the one I do own. It's like turning an oven on and leaving it open. That's a very pretty graph anon, thank (you).

>>383380939
Fair enough

yes
AM4 support till 2020 too

>>383379991
r9 390s and 290s were god tier, don't be a brand loyal cocksucking drone

I will never understand why amd shills here

>>383381268
>see people showing support for company I don't like
>sh-sh-sh-shills!!!!!!
take your meds you bloody schizo

>>383380626
DUDE CORES LMAO

>>383381227
Tell me how anything I said in that post makes me "brand loyal". Fuck off retard.

t. Actual 390 owner in the past

>>383381337
Nice try amd marketing

>>383377417
there are no "gaming CPU"'s you fucking shill.
a fucking pentium can provide 60FPS.
And if you play on 144hz you get an i7

>>383381341
>Don't fall for the AMD gpu meme though.

>>383377417
No. 7700 non-K is literally better than EVERY Ryzen for gaming.

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>>383380790
>The 7700k is only good for content creation

The fuck are you smoking? The 7700k is terrible for content creation. You'd be much better served by Ryzen in that regard.

As for performance, in most cases, the difference you're looking at between say a 7700k, and an R7 1700 is maybe 10 FPS at most, but if you have a decent GPU capable of pushing most games past 60 FPS, then it doesn't really matter. You'd be hard pressed to find the difference between 90 FPS and 100 FPS, for example.

Still, from a pure performance standpoint for a pure gaming setup, you would be better served by a 7700k. If you do more than just game, then you'd be better served by a Ryzen.

Ryzen just can't comparewith Intel.
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core--i7-7820X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X/3928vs3916

>>383381508
How does that make me a brand loyalist you melt?

Go on. Let's see this in depth investigation you've obviously undertaken to come to the conclusion that I'm a brand loyalist because of a personal opinion based on past experience.

>>383381859
Too bad the X299 is an abortion.

>>383381340
DUDE CLOCKS LMAO

>>383381862
sure thing. this post is attempting to dissuade other people from an entire brand of gpus because you've decided they're a 'meme'. from my exhaustive research I've concluded that this definitely demonstrates you're a mouth-breathing twelve year old fanboy.

>>383381709
It's absolutely intel's best for content creation. You don't need the extra threads for gaming you dumbshit. If you're buying an i7 for gaming you're fucking stupid

>>383377417
Some of the lower ones, the 1600 for example, maybe, but even that often loses to an oc'd 7600k

>>383381708
non-K Intel is trash.

>>383382171(You)

>>383381859
>15% better performance
>Insane power draw/out of control thermals
>2x the price

Yup a clear winner here.

>>383382158
>If you're buying an i7 for gaming you're fucking stupid
It's 2017 granpda, not 2008

>>383382187
Yet still better than any ryzen. Oh the irony.

>>383382124
Nice projection ranjeet. If I were to say the same about Intel or Nvidia I wouldn't be a fanboy amirite?

Fun fact: my main pc for years was a full amd build with an msi r9 390 gaming 8g. The 390 was a bad (at the time of crimson drivers anyway), power hungry and hot gpu. Cry more shill.

What's next? You're going to claim it isn't?

>>383382158
I've never bought an i7, but don't high-end gaming rigs mostly have overclockable i7s?
and game these days use up to 8 threads

>>383380179
Plan on upgrading your whole motherboard and CPU in the next year?

Lol why would you upgrade next year?

A 7700k or an oc'd 6700k is the best for gaming right now and it looks like it will stay that way for the foreseeable future

>>383382472
you can get almost the same perf with an overclocked 1600 tho :)

>>383382472
What a fucking joke. It's like you're not even trying when you come up with this shit. http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1600X/3887vs3920

>>383381708
that's only if you look at average framerates. A 6 core Ryzen has higher minimum framerates and it's not on a dead end platform like LGA 1151.

>>383381268
they put out a genuinely good CPU
and infinity fabric is some magic shit

>>383382694
Except for a few fringe cases, the 7700k also has higher minimum framerates.

Also keep in mind that many Ryzen users still struggle getting their ram up to 3000 mhz lmao

>>383382514

>>383380494
Intel 8th gen coming soon to counter Ryzen, more reason for devs to start optimizing with more cores CPU platform
But hey, I'm not stopping you if you want to buy a new CPU today and complain why Devs start catering to next gen Intel or AMD next year.
That's why I said go with Intel if you don't care about reasons I said before..

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>>383382772
>lmao

>>383382482
>If I were to say the same about Intel or Nvidia I wouldn't be a fanboy amirite?

No you're not right, you're just projecting your imbecilic thought processes onto me. That's what projection actually looks like by the way friend.

Before you slam out another furious nvidiot screed do you have any reason why radeon cards are a 'meme' other than the fact you don't like the card you have right now? for instance you mention power consumption; the rx 480 has roughly equal performance of the 390 at almost half the tdp. why is that a worse purchase than the nvidia equivalent? are you just assuming everyone else uses their computer in a broom closet like you?

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> mfw I own a FX 9590
> mfw I also own a XFX R9 290
> mfw I also live in Florida

I am moving to Ryzen though, one the fence on getting another amd video card though. Thing is hot as bawls.

>>383382772
you can easily reach 3000 or 3200 with samsung rams
rams from other brands can easily get to 2666 but not above that
but you won't benefit as much from 2666 to 3000 compared to from 2400 to 2666

>>383383028
>planning to buy any kind of GPU with today mining craze.

Yes
My 1700 works great

>>383382472
even 1500x is better

>>383378841
Better than the i5 7600k in most titles
The i5 has a clockspeed advantage, but those extra cores on the ryzen really make a difference in modern games

>>383380790
The 7600k is shit for gaming
100% CPU load in many demanding games, which causes frametimes to be all over the place
Just get a Ryzen 1600

>>383381709
>>383380207
hey asshole you just ruined my fucking day
4chan is my safe space, ok?
I don't want any footfag amd shills on this board
go back to r/amd and hang yourself on a cord

>>383382960
>there is people still posting the fake joker benchmarks

>>383380207
>Vega is looking kind of shaky though. Won't lie there.
Looks like Vega is likely going to be somewhere between 1080 and 1080ti
Really depends on the price if its worth buying

>>383382513
high end rigs do usually have them because they're either making content or they think it'll give them noticeable performance. Gaming is still largely bound to single threaded performance so those 8 threads aren't really utilized. an i5 or an r5 are more than enough for gaming

>>383383219
no, the 1500x can't really get better than the 7700 unless it can overclock up to 4.xGhz
but still, it's a better cpu for the price

>>383383126
Only mid-range GPUs are fucked. 1050ti and lower tier as well as high end like 1080ti are pretty much unchanged and still in stock. I know because I've bought 1050ti just yesterday for 160$

>m-m-muh value
Gaming is not cheap hobby! Why are you so fucking dumb?

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>>383377417
got a r5 1600 along woth 3200mhz ddr4 corsair vengeance on a b350 motherboard.
i am blown the fuck away by how cheap yet powerful the system is.
i think the 1600 is the best price/performance sweetspot when ryzen2 is out itll probably be the 1700 though.
but holee fuck. i had a 3570k before but it died due to hardware failure and this is such a huge fucking upgrade. its not even funny how powerful the system is. its like were back in the phenom 2 days when amd was actually relevant.
they are seriously giving intel a run for its money. sure it cant compete ipc wise with intels high end stuff. but it performs similarly while being 400-600 bucks cheaper.
its fucking phenomenal. i will only switch back to intel if they can make a i7 tier cpu that has at least 8c/16t for 250 bucks max.
because thats what ryzen feels like currently.

>>383377417
1700 is the only good ryzen processor.

intel just cant compete with 8 inch BBC cores.

>>383383478
1500x is on par with that locked trash, 1600x shits on it completely.

>>383382995
>own amd
>say something that shills (aka you) don't like seeing
>n-nvidiot

Some amazing logic right there.

>current amd card uses less power than a known power hungry gpu from previous gen
>somehow makes it a must buy compared to a cheaper Nvidia gpu which also sucks down less power whilst having better performance on average

What makes it a better buy than the Nvidia equivalent? There's fanboyism (you) then there's simple logic (everyone else). Unless you can find amd gpu for cheaper than the Nvidia equivalent there is no reason to buy it for gaming. Price has been the main reason people by amd. They no longer have that advantage.

got a ryzen 5 1600 2 months ago. very good cpu so far, very fast, energy efficient and perfect for future multithreading heavy games. the sticker is also nice heh.

b350 mb also offers great value for price

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>>383383703
I want a PC, not a nuclear reactor.

>>383383723
>r5 1600 along woth 3200mhz ddr4 corsair vengeance on a b350 motherboard
My nigga I just got the same setup myself. Waiting for delivery next week. Your post makes me happy

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>>383383723
>3200mhz ddr4
>cheap

>>383383991
oh but speccy doesn't work with ryzen yet, so it seems. In my bios temp says 50 degrees celsius but in bios the cpu runs always at full speed. so maybe 40 idle or so. with stock coller ofc. it's a good cooler

>>383384103
you don't really need an expensive 3200mhz ram for ryzen
samsung rams overclock incredibly well, so you just buy a 2400mhz samsung, overclock it to 3000 or 3200

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>>383384037
be sure to update your bios my ram would initiall only run at 2133 mhz.
update your bios and it should offer you a DOCP profile for your ram automatically. you want to enable that because it will also enable XFR on your cpu which will net you 100-300mhz extra cpu performance for no extra cost basically.

im really happy with my system. gotta upgrade my card though.
im waiting though for vega and nvidia 11xx series.
but even if my card is a bit dated i still manage to pretty much max out everything i can throw at it @1080p60

>>383384103
120 yurodosh for a 16 gb kit. well atleast thats what i payed for it.

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>>383384282
>mfw didn't consult qvl for ram
>refuses to overclock

If you do get Ryzen, pair it with the highest frequency memory you can get. Performance makes a significant difference beyond 2666Mhz

>>383384282
I got 16gb 2400mhz ram from crucial. is there a noticable difference between 3200 vs 2400?

I've had an i5 2500k running at 4GHz since I got it when it first was released. Cooled using a corsair h70.

Has literally never caused any problems and I plan on using it until it dies, which will probably be another 10 years

>>383384247
cheapest 16gig samshit b-idle costs $177.99

>>383384282
Will do thanks.
I'm getting it with 1050ti, so if your 760 can pull off 60fps in modern vidya, then I'm golden. Good times eh

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>>383383954
>Unless you can find amd gpu for cheaper than the Nvidia equivalent there is no reason to buy it for gaming.

Unless unless, it's actually better than the nvidia equivalent, which the rx 480 is compared to a lot of nvidia cards, obviously, and most importantly is better than the gtx 1060... which has a higher MSRP.

>>383384484
absolutely.
ryzen scales with ram thats why xfr such a great feature.
i dont know fully how it works but the new chipset lets the cpu talk with ram more efficiently and faster. which results in faster instructions on the cpu itself.

>>383384484
check linus video on it depending on the games you can have some pretty serious gain and 3200 mhz are a lot more expensive

>>383384484
there's a great difference between 2400 and 2666, but as it goes above 2666, the performance gain won't be as noticable on gaming

>>383384608
are not *
you're going to pay around 120 buck for ram anyway

>>383384103
Barely any more expensive than DDR4 2133

IGNORE r/AMD SHILLS

THEY'RE MAD AS FUCK NOW BECAUSE RX VEGA IS A FUCKING FLOP

>>383384682
I usually spend around $300

>>383384830
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>>383384830
It's faster than a 1080, not a flop for anyone with common sense

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>>383385165
>barely beats a 1yo gpu with tripled tdp
wow we sure showed them

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>>383384592
nope. even amd's rebrand with a heavy OC can only beat the 1060 stock by 2.5% on average. the 480 is now factually slower.

if you want to talk about those aftermarket gpu you have in your picture which are neck and neck. lets see the pricing.

1060 ftw+, £295:
http://www.morecomputers.com/p/?pid=06G-P4-6368-KR%3E%3EEVGA&referer=PCPart

480 gaming x, £337:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01K1JTT8S/ref=asc_df_B01K1JTT8S44102756/?tag=pric097-21&creative=22374&creativeASIN=B01K1JTT8S&linkCode=df0&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

you tried. you failed.

>>383384830
Vega is piece of shit, luckly Ryzen 5 is god tier to make up for it.

Can we just admit that AMD CPU division did great in 2017 but the GPU division utterly fucked up Vega launch?

>>383385346
>480 gaming x, £337:
Hmm, I wonder why this one is expensive....
Something mining something

>>383385481
amd cpu are good. they changed up the market for the good. the gpu division has been shit for the last 6 years but shills will deny this.

Yeah, every Intel CPU is worthless except the g4560 and 7700k. I guess Broadwell-E is still relevant until Threadripper if you need pcie lanes.

>>383385481
>ayymd gpus are garbage
But they're not for 1080p. It's just that cryptoniggers drove the prices up the walls.

>>383385481
this is the fact

>>383385595
>>383383954

>Unless you can find amd gpu for cheaper than the Nvidia equivalent there is no reason to buy it for gaming. Price has been the main reason people by amd. They no longer have that advantage.

i was right once again.

what's next for your narrative?

Is it relatively painless moving from intel to amd? I don't feel like reinstalling windows so I just gonna deactivate windows, change the motherboard and reactivate.

>>383385619
i5 line-up is better for games

also earlier cpus are still OP

>tfw had 4690k and got R7 1700
>tfw playing games at 1440p ultra settings and streaming on "faster" preset and smooth as silk

>>383385165
>It's faster than a 1080
Based on what? Only the most delusional of shills think that it is going to happen.

>>383385950
They're relying on the leaks.

>>383385752
Raja shat the bed with Vega's launch
Unless there is so magic curry driver that he has hidden away the FE is drawing 300W on stock off the walls with 1070 levels of performance.

>>383386068
>leaked """"benchmarks""""

>>383386028
r/amd has been in full shill/panic mode since FE's launch. I won't trust any leaks from that place. Even Adoredtv aka AMD's resident youtube shill shits on VEGA.

>>383385901
i still have a 4690k at 4.4ghz. top cpu. runs every game like a dream. if i stream or record i just use my gpu encoder at 20mb/s.

>>383386068

Wasn't that a workstation card though?

I guess they said the same thing when Ryzen was underperforming.

>>383386139
FE isn't leaked benchmarks you fucking moron. RX of course will be "optimized" for games but the architecture and silicon will be the same for both cards. Do I expect the RX to be better than the FE? Of course. Not magically better than a 1080.

>>383384458
>>383384484
there is only a performance gain past 2400mhz if you are using a high end GPU like a 1080

1070 and lower almost no difference

>>383386218
>streaming at 200000kb/s

the mad man

>>383386237
>Wasn't that a workstation card though?
It is a prosumer card. Professional consumer. Meaning it isn't good enough to be a workstation card but also not good enough to be a gaming card. It basically straddles the middle of the two. It target audience is for developers who make games and also want to play them.

>>383378904
>>383379354
i9 is a special purpose cpu not for home use

i dont understand why people dont get this? like you expect it to be in a watercooled rig its a special purpose part.

>>383386165
I won't trust leaks, but I highly doubt you can truly compare the FE with the RX.

But it's obvious it's gonna be nowhere near TI levels and maybe just around 1080, lower or just a tad higher

>>383381859
Why would I go for the Intel which is only slightly better but a have to pay double the price?

>>383386461
>just a tad higher

only amd part to ever beat equivalent nvidia part: radeon 9800 pro, 1999

good luck

>>383386461
I am not. I expect it to be better than the FE but it is currently drawing 300 watts off the wall @ stock. This isn't suddenly going to change with the RX. It is 290x / Fury X all over again.

>buy x299
>buy a low end $300 CPU
>cant use half the features of the motherboard
>intel expects people to buy lower end CPU now and upgrade later

>>383386364
they clearly labled it as workstation card though. since it has all the features like double floating point precision and more raw TFLOPS in compute power.
its kind of weird that despite being labled as workstation card everyone jumped the ship and benchmarked it as a gaming card.
thats on the consumers.
however amd is also to blame for making " gamingmode " drivers for the FE.
amd should held back the frontier edition longer and launched it together with rx vega and clearly say. hey guys this card is for gaming. but this more expensive card is for buttcoins, science and 3d modeling/video editing.

that being said i have a really bad feeling about vega in general. the only real thing amd has going for them right now is having actualy async compute which gives them an edge in vulkan. due to amd cards having and actual hardware scheduler. nvidia didnt have a hardware scheduler since fermi. thus no asynch compute. since a software scheduler is just way too slow.
however it does not look gude for vega.

if it is just barely better than a 1080. but still worse than a 1080 ti while drawing more power, generating more heat and most likely being not optimzed at all for a long time. i fear for amds graphics future. theres also a rumor going around that the leaks are the "strongest" vega card costing about 600 bucks. while the cheapest vega starts at 300.

>>383379354
>>383378904
I have a 7700k oc'd to 4.6 ghz and it hasn't ever gone above about 63 degrees

>>383386918
>they clearly labled it as workstation card though
No certified drivers means no one will use it as an actual workstation card.

>everyone jumped the ship and benchmarked it as a gaming card.
Go look up AMD's statement on it. People are benching it because it is an indicator of how the RX will perform. No one said it will be identical but unless RX magically pulls out 20-30% increase in performances while lowering the TDP, it is going to be shit.

Not convinced? Let youtube biggest AMD shill convince you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iaUjU-2Jmc

>amd should held back the frontier edition longer and launched it together with rx vega and clearly say
Because they want to say they launched VEGA in H1. This is for the investors.

Only bought intels but now I am buying a Ryzen. The chip lottery in i7s and the shit i9s is too much for me.

>>383379863
>I don't know of any objective comparison sites that test things I care about.
I see, you aren't even trying anymore. What is Gamers Nexus? What is Guru3D?

I recognize Ryzen to be slightly worse in games than the intel equivalent, but I bought a 5 1600 anyways, cause intel really pisses me off with their shit. New processor line? 5% more performance, minimal architecture chanes, but yeah sure YOU NEED A NEW CHIPSET, BUY THOSE MOTHERBOARDS, GOY

>>383388118
Intel sandbags themselves so AMD has a chance. Too bad Nvidia doesn't sandbag their cards so AMD has no chance and their GPU department is pretty incompetent.

>>383386409
Broadwell-e wasn't nearly as bad though. The CPUs are hot because more cores means more heat, but Intel sabotaged Skylake X by using paste instead of solder. If you watch reviews of the 7900X they mention even running an AIO at 100% doesn't help. It's not a heat issue, it's a heat transfer issue. You need an overkill cooler because of how inefficient the TIM is. If Skylake-X was soldered it would still be hot, but it would be more manageable.

>>383380243
>synthetic benchmarks

only if they're relevant. I could throw a cpu off a roof, calculate the air friction and claim X IS BETTER THAN Y, except the whole thing would be fucking worthless.

>>383377417
At the Ryzen price point intel doesn't offer anything worth buying. Intel chips are already being taken to 70-100% load in modern games and when something in the background needs a bit of cpu the game will typically stutter.
Do you use steam? Have a browser open? Chat clients? Torrents? Doing those things while playing something like gta5 will cause it to stutter on an intel chip similarly priced to ryzen.
The ryzen 1% low frames, basically the sudden noticible stutters are much more infrequent than on intel.
But this is 4chan, go ask about this stuff elsewhere. You're going to get contrary shitbirds who make wild claims.

>>383385815
It's generally recommended to reinstall when changing motherboards, although if you're using Windows 10 it downloads all the drivers automatically so you might not have any compatibility issues.

>>383388118
Check newer comparisons. Ryzen is now better or at par with intels. You're info is when it was still new and has no updates.

>>383385815
you will need to reinstall windows

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For 1080p 60fps a mid tier Ryzen 5 CPU, a Pentium g4560, or i5 7500/7600k. Only go to an i7 if you're using a high refresh rate monitor. If you're using other CPU intensive productivity applications consider a Ryzen 7 CPU.

>>383389474
>i7 for higher refresh monitor
>not a better GPU

>>383389042
Just replaced my motherboard and find all the drivers ere up to date when I checked, so can probably confirm.

>replace computer note that I know what I'm doing
>only thing I don't replace is the graphics card because it's fine
>a week later it dies out of nowhere
>between bills, student loans, and a vacation I already paid for, I'm stuck with my outdated back up until I can afford a new one

Feels bad man

>>383389743
For 1080p/144Hz you need an i7 and a GTX 1060 while for 1440p/60Hz you only need a Pentium and a GTX 1070.

>>383389903
what the fuck?

for what game?

>>383377417
who cares about CPUs when the mining jews are driving up the prices of every fucking gpu

>>383390192
Minesweeper

>>383377417

Of course. The i5 1600 is the sweet spot because you'll have amazing gaming performance and amazing multitasking as well.

Intel cpus only make sense if you're going for an absolute poorfag build with a pentium or an i7 7700k if you are going for 144hz on very demanding games due to the slightly higher IPC.

Ryzen cpus also double down as being an outstanding deal for video editing.

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>>383385346
>>383385595

I've got a 580 8GB NITRO+ on the way for £234, which was cheaper than the 1060s on Amazon, and a better card.

Really boggles my noggin

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>>383391887
before the mining craze?

right, here are some prices before that. the 1060 is still massively cheaper.

>>383390285
Protip: Buy workstation GPUs

They weren't affected by the mining craze and the Quadro P2000 is equal to a GTX 1060 in video games.

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>>383392074

Nope, few days ago. Thinking of just selling it off when I get it and buying a 1080.

Also, funnily enough, I've just checked PC part picker and there's only 1 1060 6GB that cost less than my card, and it's from a website with zero reviews

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Ryzen is neat, but, although it wouldn't be worth it all in my case. What I want from AMD is a non-shit GPU so I can use freesync and 75hz. Fuck vega though.

>>383383225
>but those extra cores on the ryzen really make a difference in modern games
this will never be true.

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>>383392448
nice bait. there are 1060's going for £220 on amazon warehouse right now. probably where you got the 580 from.

>>383384830
Aren't the Vega cards for playing vidya still not out?

>>383389743
That is already a given, retard.

>>383392764
you dont need a i7 for high refresh rate retard

>>383378904
>>383386984
i have a 7700k with a noctua cooler, and it never goes over 50 even under load. this housefire meme is so dumb, especially since it's still AMD that runs too hot. intel's cpu's definitely run hotter than ever, but AMD will always be fire starters.

>>383392837

Yes you do if you want to keep frame drops to a minimum at 144hz you imbecile. Intel has higher IPC. If that isn't your case, then ryzen all the way.

>>383392704

I'm not baiting you faglord, I literally took that screenshot. How is pointing out a fact baiting?

If you could provide, say, as link to this supposed deal, I'll have a look. But I got a brand new, unopened 580 8GB for £234, that's a fact.

>>383392954
>If you could provide, say, as link to this supposed deal, I'll have a look.

i could as you the same. the burden of proof is on you.

>>383392913
Housefire meme started with nVidia(GTX480) and Intel(Pentium 4) trying to compete with AMD.

>>383393071

I don't get it, you just said a 1060 6GB was on sale for £220. Post a link you fucking faggot.

I don't know what I have to prove, I bought a card? There's a screenshot. I looked at 1060 prices? There's a screenshot.

>>383389903
Is this how retards think?

>>383393303
>says rx 580 can be bought for £234
>makes the original claim
>i ask for link
>he can't provide link

where are all these 580 nitro + for £235? i'd like to buy a few. i'll wait for your link before i provide mine.

>>383392937
>Frame drops minimum
>On DelidInside stutter lake
LOL

>>383392937
im not replying to you any more

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>>383392837

>>383392704
>>383392704
It honestly shocks me how fellow eurobros can still buy amd after the way they fucked us all over back in the 3xx series days. Remember when the 390 was €50 more than the 970 despite it being worse and then amd blamed it on tax? Absolute cancer company who doesn't give a shit about us.

>>383393643
This graph just proves his point, you fucking retard.

>>383377417
Do i7s have a reason to even exist anymore? For single threaded perf you want an i5 and for anything mulithreaded Ryzen murders Intel. Funny thing is Threadripper will do exactly the same again to the abomination that is Kaby Lake.

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>>383393643

>>383393776
>AMD
>Caring about prices of GPU manufacturers
would like that citation please.

>>383393481

Look through your previous posts and show me where you asked for a link, are you fucking dense?


Since you actually fucking asked, here's mine: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B071Y7CKM2/

OOS and gone up £50, couldn't be happier with my purchase. Now, since I'm not a little faggot fanboy like you, I'm probably going to sell this and get the best card for the money, so can you show me the cheap 1060?

Jesus Christ you fucking manchild.

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what's the point of this?

>>383393786
What? This graph proves that even the fastest CPUs are not fast enough for 144FPS in Crysis 3 while even an i5 manages 60 FPS.

>>383392683
good goy

>>383394158
to fuck people off

>>383394158
to compete with Threadripper.

>>383394001
so you basically can't buy rx 580 nitro + for £234 except a used one off amazon warehouse? right. means i have nothing to show you. :^)

nice rage though. let it all out.

>>383377417
I lost my first house in a fire when I bought AMD product last time. Never ever.

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>>383393643
>FX8350 shitting all over i5

>>383394189
Graph is also "CPU test" what ever that means, but it shows that no matter what CPU you have, you wont be reaching that 144Hz limit

>>383394241
they literally cant lmao

>>383394189
>max frames matter
No, if your Median frame is anything below your refresh rate, it already failed.

>>383394265

Good lord, it's sold by Amazon, not Amazon warehouse, it's on my first screenshot.

So you can buy a new one for £234, cause I did. Enjoy being an edgy faggot on 4chan

>>383394276
its lies
i have been maintaining fx8xxx pc since its launch, they are fucking garbage.

>>383394158
To curbstomp AMD? Ryzen is a fucking joke compared to the i9.
>inb4 amdrones/poojeets get mad

>>383394371
No they can't, but 7900x is actually CPU that takes advantage of X299 platform unlike other CPUs on that platform.

so if you need massive amount of PCIe lanes, this is the CPU to go for as of now.

>>383394202
how come my 7700k with 4 cores and 8 threads annihilates my friends AMD cpu with 8 cores and 16 threads? could it be that no fucking games need 1 million cores? even retarded meme games that are 99% cpu based, like ARMA, run infinitely better on intel, even fucking 10 year old intel cpus.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hnJMNN

Please help me build a better machine

>>383377417
No. Ryzens are workstation CPUs

How's the emulation performance?

One of the reasons why I stayed with Intel over the past years is because apparently AMD CPUs perform way worse at emulation.

>>383394656
>Paying for windows
>7700k

There is no helping you

>>383394565
Having a 7900X during winter would be pretty rad but it'd probably kill me in the summer due to a heat stroke.

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>>383394265

:thinks:

>>383394449
>max frames

Which benchmarks show max frames? I can't say I've ever seen one in 20 years.

>>383394656
Replace CPU and mainboard with a i7-7820X and a compatible board.
Remove one video card. SLI is a meme.
Pirate Windows.

>>383394506
do you not know what warehouse is? it's still sold by amazon and labelled as being sold by amazon. anything sold below the display price on amazon and displayed under the "new/used: starting from [insert price here] is amazon warehouse. you literally bought something which was used and returned.

>So you can buy a new one for £234

still waiting for the link to all these cheap 580's.

>>383394831
Gray box is, median FPS red or blue is max FPS
You should only pay attention to grey box of that graph.

>>383394625
This. Core performance > Core count. i7s are the new i5s as of 2017

>>383394767
You need those Intel HEDT CPUs if you want to run RPCS3 at high frame rates.

>>383394924
>i7-7820X
u best be joking nigga

>>383394971
Gray is minimum FPS and red/blue is average FPS.

Please learn Russian instead of assuming bullshit.

>>383394971
Blue/Red is average, dipshit.

>>383394924
Is a single 1080ti enough!?

ryzen 1600 is the best perf/dollar so yes it is the best gaymen cpu i guess

>>383395182
I'm Russian. You wrong.

>>383395005
i don't understand these fucking morons and their brand loyalty. if AMD came out with a cpu that thoroughly destroyed intel in every single way, it would only make sense to go AMD. but they haven't done that yet, so there's no point in gimping my experience to fly a flag for a company, for free.

>>383395335
Thing is, if you think that CPU matter for games as much as you do, you are a retard who is bottlenecking his GPU.

>>383395467
>7700k adds 30 more frames to gta 5 over the top amd cpu

what did they mean by this?

>>383394656
>sli in 2017
just get one 1080ti
>cheaping out on the CPU cooler
get a NH-D15 noctua
>sandisk SSD
get a M.2 for OS
get a samsung 850 EVO for a SSD for 2nd drive
WD black is ok for 3rd drive
>meme tower case

>>383395690
>720p
>all low settings

borrowed from /pcbg/ because it's true

CPUs:
No i5 unless discounted
>G4560/G4600 - Budget builds (<$500)
>R5 1400 - Cheapest quad core you can get (Ryzen 3 soon)
>R5 1500x - Good but up to 1600 if you can
>R5 1600 - Best value for higher fps gaming / mixed usage; 1600x if you want higher stock clocks
>i7 7700k - 144hz only
>R7/Used Xeon/Threadripper - Compute/Multitask/VM/mixed use; Not for just gaming

GPUs:
Coin miners have driven price up and stock down, waiting to buy a GPU might be wiser
>Integrated CPU Graphics - Desktop stuff and very light games
>GTX 1050(Ti) - Lower end budget cards, drop settings on newer games, RX560 beaten by both
>RX570 - 1080p@60~hz maxed, running most maxed older games at 100~Hz
>RX580 and GTX1060 6GB - 1080p@80hz maxed, 1440p@60hz at lower settings; RX580 better in newer games
>GTX 1070 - 1080p@130hz /1440p@60hz at high
>GTX 1080 - 1080p@144hz / 1440p@60hz maxed, 4k@60hz in a few games; Probably the highest end card you need for 1080p/1440p
>GTX 1080Ti - 1440p@144hz and 4k@60hz maxed/high in many games

RAM:
>Check your Mobo QVL before buying any RAM
>Ryzen CPUs benefits a lot from high speed RAM

>>383395806
>ultra
>4k

wow, stunning, the AMD cpu couldn't do it's only fucking job. really made me ponder.

>>383395467
>implies CPUs don't matter in games
>If you think CPUs matter in games, then you're bottlenecking your GPU

This is perhaps the most broken logic I've ever read on this board. What the fuck did he mean by this?

tfw got an r5 and 1050ti on the way

first time really upgrading from my previous desktop with a phenom (1) quad-core and gt 630

>>383395983
Your GPU is bottle necking and your FPS would be exactly the same on all CPUs that can handle the GPU.

>>383394158
It's a knee jerk reaction from Intel that tries to compete with threadripper, but shits the bed.

>>383396119
yes, my 1080ti is bottlenecking. you're done, please leave.

>>383396035
it means that your GPU needs to do heavy lifting not the CPU.

>>383396042
how was the stone age, grandpa

>>383396212
You're retarded.

>>383396170
So, what is the problem?
You FPS is exactly the same on all the i7/i5 and r7/r5

>>383396212
I don't think you know what bottlenecking means.

reminder that if you're a normal person playing at 60fps on a 60hz monitor at settings which your components can handle, the chances of being bottlenecked by any modern cpu or gpu is very slim.

graphics and fps whoring is for retards. i'm running a 3 year old processor with a modern nvidia gpu and i get a pretty much locked 60 fps at high settings (or higher) in 9/10 games i play. i'm not retarded enough to ramp all the settings to the absolute max and complain about bottlenecking and shit fps because i don't have a $600 i9 or 1080 ti.

>>383396561
but muh sick nasty riced out $2000 pc bruh

>>383395945
Interesting, thanks man.

>>383396561
for the bulk of this dumb board the g4560 would be more than enough.
1600 ryzen if you are 1070 or above region

>>383396561
>fps whoring is retarded
>complains about shit fps lower than 60

So you're an fps whore, but you just have low standards, much like consolefriends. Got it.

>>383396837
I agree the current pentiums (not specifically the 4560) would be nice to entry/near-mid level gaming.

I personally went with an R5 1600 because I'm hopeful for PS3/360 emulation (even with its lack luster single threaded performance).

>>383385901
What kind of difference do you experience in performance? I have a 4690k and have been slowly considering a cpu/mobo overhaul, but it sounds like Ryzen's IPC is virtually identical to Haswell cpu's, but with moar cores.

i considered small things like emulation when i went with intel. amd just isn't there with per core performance.

>>383377681
idles around 90, when i game it just goes up

>>383397147
Fahrenheit?

>>383397147
This is far too much. Are you sure that you connected the CPU fan correctly?

>>383396859
shit fps doesn't mean less than 60, retard. it means fluctuations, frame time spikes, latency spikes etc which normally correlate with framerates below 60 anyway.

i bet you're one of those retards who thinks high fps is the be all and end all of pc gaming but then recommend shitty apu's to anyone asking for console equivalent builds (x1x, pro) for the same price.

>>383377417
bought my R5 1600 on sale for $180, so yes. It's better than all i5s(which is what the r5 was made to compete with)

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>>383397534
>shit fps doesn't mean less than 60
(You)

>>383397147
lol never heard of thermal paste

>>383397534
Not only are you a shit-eating hypocrite, but you've got a low IQ or brain damage apparently.

>>383397784
Don't the stock coolers come with paste pre-applied?

Don't know about that guy but I live in butt fuck south Florida, so I'm not expecting particularly low idle temps either.

Granted, it should beat out my previous 95W CPU.

>>383397534
>i bet you're one of those retards who thinks high fps is the be all and end all of pc gaming but then recommend shitty apu's to anyone asking for console equivalent builds (x1x, pro) for the same price.
>60hz or die!

l m a o

fucking idiot

>>383383126
>Have 960
>Want to upgrade
>It costs 800$ to upgrade
Wallet closed immediately after. Just a hunch, but I'm pretty sure the Jews are behind this.

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>>383397835
great points of refutation! oh wait...

go back to shilling amd on /g/

>>383392683
Yeah i was gonna say. Core stacking is a meme

not buying amd again for a long time after i got literally burned on the muh price/perf vishera meme

I moved from a 4670K to a 1600X and it has been a smooth transition. Dont skimp on the ram though, bumping my flareX kit from 2133mhz to 3200 netted me ~20% single core performance, despite what the reviewers are saying.
I went from 20fps in rising storm 2 to 60 just by bumping ram speed (rising storm only uses 1 core).
I did not buy ryzen expecting a huge bump in performance, i bought ryzen to vote with my wallet since intel has been so cancer in the past 5-10 years.

>>383397921
yes but he definitely did something wrong. My temperatures never go above 50c under load

>>383398446
>vishera
Everyone said it's an awful CPU, you are the retard who didn't listen.
Now you don't listen again.
Cycle continues.

>>383398220
We can't refute points that don't exist, dummy.

You're a shit-eating poorfag who acts smug about his choice, or lack thereof, to fight off the cognitive dissonance.

I bet you go on /r9k/ and /redpill/ daily to tell everyone how your virginity is your choice lmao.

>>383377417
You're mother offers the best bang for the buck lmao!

>>383398532
>50c
You took the bite didn't you?
90f is 30c he was just pretending.

>>383397147
My 1600X barely hits 50C under full load with a h110.

>>383398583
so someone saying to play games at standard framerates with settings which are good for their hardware means they're "a shit-eating poorfag who acts smug about his choice, or lack thereof, to fight off the cognitive dissonance". we should all spend $5000 on i9 and 1080 ti to play at 200 fps right? right on bro!

>I bet you go on /r9k/ and /redpill/ daily to tell everyone how your virginity is your choice lmao.

ah yes, the classic projection of ones insecurities onto another. like clockwork.

>>383394767
They're fine now for emulation

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>>383377417
Oh man, I am excited for both the AMD's Threadripper and Intel's i9 Extreme. As the average consumer, it is important that I have a minimum of 16c/32t to accomplish my daily needs of using notepad++ and playing Visual Novels on steam.

Corelets BTFO

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>>383398446
Had to replace my fucking phenom with that shit because it slots AM3
got much worse performance, swapped it again with some idiot for a ivy bridge.

never been happier.

>>383383702
>tfw you live 6 miles frommicrocenter and got a 1050ti open box deal for 121 after taxes.

feels gud. Still watching open box deals for the next 25 days while I'm in the return window. I also bought EVGA so I can just use their step up program and get a gtx 1080 for normal price.

feels gud

>>383377417
AMD is for the same people who drive Audis and vape. Go buy an Intel so you can be happy with your purchase.

>>383398950
it always irks me how micro and mini are named.
usually micro is smaller than mini on a size scale.

>>383398905
>standard framerates

Oh man, this post just oozes 'I'm poor' lmao

>ah yes, the classic projection of ones insecurities onto another. like clockwork.

Ah yes, the classic 'I'm rubber and you're glue' projection meme, deployed when backed up against the wall after getting incinerated with every post. Like clockwork.

>>383399079
But people who vape and drive audis, are happy with their purchase, are you having buyers remorse and now are trying to insinuate that everyone does?

>>383383723
i want a gf like that

>>383399203
>Oh man, this post just oozes 'I'm poor' lmao

right, right. please enlighten us all with what the standard framrate and monitor refresh is if it isn't 60 hz and 60 fps. you may as well go ahead and show us your elite build too.

>Ah yes, the classic 'I'm rubber and you're glue' projection meme, deployed when backed up against the wall after getting incinerated with every post. Like clockwork.

Ah yes, the classic 'I'm rubber and you're glue' projection meme, deployed when backed up against the wall after getting incinerated with every post. Like clockwork. :^)

>>383397534
>i bet you're one of those retards who thinks high fps is the be all and end all of pc gaming but then recommend shitty apu's to anyone asking for console equivalent builds (x1x, pro) for the same price.

ah yes, the classic projection of ones insecurities onto another. like clockwork.

>>383399435
The standard is 144 Hz currently but there are already many 240 Hz monitors on the market.

>>383399239
>these comma placements

jesus christ

>>383399532
you know, comma placement, isn't as bad, as you might thing, with your, high-school, education.

>>383399435
The standard is 20-30fps. Nobody cares about 60fps except nerds.

>Wasting money on nogames spreadsheet PCs
What a fucking retard

The only reason to go Intel right now is emulation or 140Hz gaming

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>>383397835
>>383398583
>>383399203
>>383399531

The absolute state of amd shills

>>383399491
Ah yes, the classic 'I'm rubber and you're glue' projection meme, deployed when backed up against the wall after getting incinerated with every post. Like clockwork. :^)

>>383399774
>projecting

Not surprising, AMD CPUs can't even handle 60+ fps

over 60 fps is literally placebo

>>383399725
so theres no reason to go amd unless youre poor

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I am still using my stock intel cooler after 1 1/2 years. I'm finally getting a noctua this week and going to try and get that sucker to 4.5ghz

Should I step up to the 1080 or 1080ti? I eventually want to do 4k gaymen. Next year I'll probably build an entire new PC around the 1080/ti

>>383399923
>4k
>1080ti
Nah, not good enough.

>>383399909
If you do anything else with your computer alongside gaming then ryzen.

>>383400035
from the benchs I've seen it gets close enough. I'll probably get a 1440p/high refresh monitor anyways.

just buy whatever linus tech tips recommends

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>>383401132
i watch gamers nexus, bro.

>>383401132
Linus breaks shit, you mean?

i7 4790k

That's all I have to say.

>>383397083
certain games are ALOT smoother like GTA/PUBG/ARMA/BF1

and i can actually stream new games now and my PC doesnt take a shit

PUBG 1080p ultra settings streaming with "faster" preset and no frame drops/skipping

>>383401207
my nigga

based steve isnt afraid to take a shit.

>>383397083
Went from a FX8350 to a Ryzen 1700, because my board was on its last legs
Nice upgrade, but in most games there is little to no difference as I was already GPU bound

>>383379991
I fell for it and am glad, AMD GPU's age really well.

>>383401207
Gamer's Nexus is actually pretty good, despite the name.

pure gaming no (but barely)
gaming/doing other stuff yes

>>383395945
Why not the i3-7100 for budget builds?

>>383404019
same performance as pentiums yet it cost much more

>>383404019
i3s are stupid

>>383399368
me too

>>383379221
>just wait for x
love this meme

>>383404019
Kaby lake bentiums are hypertheaded now, Intel sacrificed their whole i3 line to undercut AMD's APU's for some reason.

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>>383383451
>Looks like Vega is likely going to be somewhere between 1050 and 1050ti

>>383407727
>basing RX performance off the FE card

>>383407790
remember how /g/ said the 580 was going to DESTROY the 1080?

>>383408169
no, i don't actually

>>383408196
You probably have brain damage, I bet you wont remember the whole vega > 1080 in a couple months :^)

>>383408575
not my fault you take shitposts seriously

>>383397141
Ryzen CPU's have like 10% less single-core performance than their direct competitors. That's actually not a lot, and they are generally cheaper.
Besides, a R5 or R7 will run most emulators pretty damn well. And newer emulators, like RPCS3 are being coded from the ground up with multi-core performance in mind, and the newer consoles all use AMD cpu's.
In the end, the benefit of intel over most emulators is very slight.
The only one that really benefits is dolphing, but with a 1600 you'll be way above the recommended CPU power.

>>383408751
you shills said the same shit about piledriver and vishera

>>383408996
why are you commenting on things you aren't up to date on? holy hell this thread reeks of retards and poorfags with outdated builds.

>>383408996
Nigger, I just presented you with some facts in an unbiased manner. You only need a fucking Core2Duo at 3Ghz to emulate the Ps2.
I'm posting from an Intel system right now, and something with greater CPU power could easily run the emulators that aren't still in the crawling Phase.

>>383408575
RX was never supposed to compete with the 1080.

>>383408751
Also RPCS3's current go-to for better performance is "more cores".

>>383380475
you can overclock on the stock cooler?
what the fuck?

>>383411876
The non-X R5 1600 is 65W with a 95W stock cooler.

Little headroom

>>383407661
t. Tejas

>>383378297
>a pair of 15 year old processors
Wow guess I can claim Intel is shit because I used the Pentium 4 or Nvidia because of the 5600.

>>383411876
https://youtu.be/LzIIIoSveU0
Ayymd delivered when Intel didn't.

>>383378297
/pcbg/ would promptly tell you to stop fanboying

>>383378841
Around 4-8% behind intel price to price.

>>383379830
He is talking about early athlons from over 10 years ago.

I was thinking of either upgrading my i5-4430 to an i7-4770k, or buying a 1600x.

What would be better?

>>383413736
4790k

>>383408996
Bulldozer had like 26% less single core performance than Sandy Bridge, and since SB came out first and was such a huge performance leap over Nehelem and Westmere it made the FX 8150 look outdated at launch. Meanwhile Ryzen having 10% less IPC means a lot less since Intel's barely progressed beyond Sandy bridge in 6 years.

>>383413736
The 4770k is about equal to the 1600x for vidya gaems.

My younger brother fell for the Ryzen meme and there isn't much difference as we both use a 1080, same monitor, same RAM and I own an older Samsung SSD and he got the newer gum stick ones.

You should go for a used 6700k or a brand new 7700k, ignore the heat meme spouted by AMD fanboys.

>>383414504
>ignore the heat meme
But it's not a meme, unless you delid you will have extremely high temps.

It's kind of funny that AMD will never live down Bulldozer despite it being their only real failure on the CPU side, besides maybe the K5, but even that led to the K6 and Athlon so it worked out. Meanwhile Intel had the 80186, first gen Celerons, Pentium 4, Itantium/EPIC, and Atom.

>>383414903
You forgot Larrabee and iAPX 432.

>>383401132
>>383401207
>these guys shat on Intel really hard when Skylake-X hasn't met their "expectations"
>GN even purposedly dropped a sample sent to him by Intel in the most unprofessional manner
>now that Vega's release has bombed these two tech influencers are carefully wording their reviews in order to not offend their AMD subscribers
>no calling Vega shit, no dropping the graphics card, no dramatic theatrics on how AMD dropped the ball

Really makes you think.

>>383415067
>glorified compute board is shit at gaymen
Do the ROCm.

What's the best cheap gaming laptop?
I'm just trying to play games made after 2010, my laptop lags playing rpg maker games

>>383415067
He didn't hate Kaby Lake-X because they were bad, but because it was a colossally stupid marketing decision and by putting them on LGA 2066 instead of LGA 1151 it effectively made them worthless. Don't forget Intel gimped the PCI-e lanes and limited them to dual channel memory because "Fuck you." Kaby Lake-X deserves zero respect. Skylake-X's biggest issue, poor heat transfer, is a DIRECT consequence of using thermal paste instead of solder. These are all Intel's decisions. Even if Vega is shit you can only blame it on incompetance or lack of funding. Intel's problems are all their fault.

>>383415676
>Intel gimped the PCI-e lanes and limited them to dual channel memory
They are not limited. It's the same die as KBL-S, hence only dualchannel and 16 lanes.