Are you prepared, /v/? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1b tODz3Zyk

>private server
move on with your life. what you miss isn't the game, you miss the freedom and youth

you will never recreate it. seek to make new experiences instead

>>383336364
I'll be playing.
Little concerned with server location.

>>383336662
Ok then. Sell all your previous games pre-2010 and never consider playing them again. Why not? You'll never recreate the experience you had playing them, so why bother?

>>383337632
I did and I have tons of free space now.

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Wake me up when there is a wrath server.

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i just can't do it anymore. its over for me. i got to 64 on hellground just couldn't stick with it.

i wish i could be interested in wow again i miss the feels

>>383336364
No because TBC was shit. Completely ruined my class. Every single raid night, all i did was press my stupid fucking steady-auto-killcommand macro, watched my cool downs and topped recount. 18 months of that shit. Got me fucking PTSD. I hate TBC with a burning passion.

>>383340815
Then why did you use the macro? The greatest secret of TBC Hunter was that it was actually fun to play if you did it manually.

So corecraft is completely dead.. still? I'm never going to get over this.

>>383340815
>wow, you're in full t6
>why do you get only 3k crits?
>you don't know how to play your class?

>>383340815
It's not like vanilla WoW was different with its 2 button rotations either.

WoW was always easy as fuck.

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>>383336364
>BC was 10 years ago

>>383340978
Peak performance. It was super obvious if you fucked up or had bad latency or fps. The macro made all that shit irrelevant.

>>383341094
>the zones created by Cataclysm are now older than the zones they replaced were

all wow expansions were a disaster for the game

vanilla or nothing

there was no need to post this here anon, we already have enough ppl

>Warcraft Thread

Neat.
So does anybody else play the single player project? It's coming along quite well.

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>>383341169
>he fucks up more than once in a thousand tries
Don't ever talk about peak performance again.

>>383341060
But at least you had a rotation, not one spell that didn't have a cool down. You had to weave your shots and avoid clipping autos while not wasting the CD of your shots.

>>383341383
>So does anybody else play the single player project?
you mean retail?

>>383341221
Yeah sure loved having half the specs in the game being complete dog shit and raids being a test of grinding instead of skill.

>>383341383
retail?

>>383337632
Not him but you can recreate the original experience of many older games. WoW was defined by the people at the time.

>>383341542
>>383341581
>Ba dum tish

>>383341416
>his class leader didn't analyze every single players recount data and put you on notice if it looked like you weren't using the macro

>muh bc

wow, these shitters still can't let go of the past.

it's amazing how many manchildren in their late 20s/30s still can't grow up and have to associate their shitty youth with this awful expansion.

or cancerfag underaged who just joined the fedora bandwagon

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>>383336662
this, I wasted over 5 years on regular WoW and then another 5 on private servers

It's not worth it

>>383341618
This I can still go to locals for third strike in japan or a melee local in the states.

WoW can't be replicated since alot of the magic was due to the fact that most of the people literally had no fucking idea what to expect outta vanilla WoW.

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10 years since you first set foot into Karazhan

What's the point of this? There's already private servers for every expansion, even vanilla, what am I missing?

>>383341812
i'd rape that anime girl

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>>383341708
>Being someone with autism in a guild for autists
>Gets mad at the expansion for it

>>383341878
I'm gonna assume better scripting. Even though there are private servers for every xpac and vanilla not all of them are retail like.

>>383341945
It got us through sunwell pre-nerf.

>>383341169
>tfw regularly out DPSd the other hunters in my guild while doing the rotations manually instead of using the macro

>>383342042
Yeah, look where it got you. Bitter and angry at an otherwise fulfilling experience. So congratz?

has trinitycore fixed the steelforged defender bug yet?

>>383342046

>a grown man who's still in his "my dad works at nintendo" phase

hard to get lower than having to lie and brag about a video game 12 years in the past.

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>had no idea some dope looking TBC server was getting ready to launch
>one of my old GMs just told me he's trying to get the band back together on this server

I'm pretty fucking hype.

>>383342046
Then your buddies weren't using the macro either because nobody can be too stupid to hammer one button for 15 minutes and make sure you're not standing in the fire and use drums and keep BW/trinket on CD and the right food and keep his pet alive.

>>383342210
Tons of scrubs couldn't even do sunwell at 80 POST NERF in wrath. Sunwell was extremely over tuned.

>>383342485
I always wondered why they never bothered to fix it. IIRC that shit killed more guilds than OG Naxx.

>>383342485
Every single progress guild on our realm that was wiping on the Twins or Brutallus crushed sunwell after the pre-wotlk nerf patch. I can't imagine people wiping in Sunwell at 80.

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>>383342413
I only have 1 SS to backup my claim but usually with the macro users I'd notice a drop in their dps on pretty much any fight that required any kind of mobility

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>>383341878
>>383341915
>>383341945
>>383342016
>>383342042
>>383342046
>>383342210
>>383342361
Hi, you don't seem to understand

TEN FUCKING YEARS AGO

>>383342721
Progress guilds are full of good players and that asshole GM that gets shit done.
Most WoW players even back then smoked a big fucking bowl before pugging with some randos on trade chat.
There is a reason why LFR was invented.

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>want to level alliance
>remember HUH
>guess I'll go horde again

>>383342786

>people actually called BC content hard
>literal retards who only need to press 1 button are only hitting 60% of their potential are still able to clear everything when it's current

These are the people who called mythic archimonde/helya/guldan easy.

>>383343054
Nobody with a brain can deny that fights in nu-wow have more difficult and plentiful mechanics, but you can't deny naxx/TBC(pre-nerf gruul, muru etc) were just plain unforgiving even if the mechanics were simple in comparison

They were the first raids where there was no room for dead weights, nobody could be carried

>>383343054
1 universal difficulty level was just better for the game

>>383343331
So much this.

>>383343021
I never met those people. Put effort into my gear in vanilla, got the best 5 man gear, stumbled into a raid guild and never pugged again until i quit after we cleared Sunwell.

>>383343054
You can press 1 button and reach 60% of your potential even now

>>383341618
>>383341849

None of the answers you gave are either right or wrong but personal feelings. You can't determine for someone else what is a "new" or "magical" experience that can or cannot be replicated.

The fact people are willing to level, grind, farm, gear, and replay is absolutely no different than the nerds doing SGDQ or anything else this considered repetitive in gaming. The fact is it's still being done.

>>383343821
>You can't determine for someone else what is a "new" or "magical" experience that can or cannot be replicated.

If you ask anyone who played Vanilla or BC at the time they will always say it was a new or magical experience. If anything it's nothing but personal feelings.

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>>383336364
Shadow Priest or Holy Paladin?

>>383344009
Dunno, i just really liked the pvp. Seeing some mage in the distance, creep behind a tree, line up an aimed shot and boom, crit, 75% of his health is just gone aaaaaaaand here comes the auto followed by a multi - hey there, spirit healer.

You can imagine how crushed i was when they introduced flying mounts and pvp gear with resilience while handing out defensive cool downs like fucking candy.

>>383343821
I don't care if anyone enjoys private servers. It's just that the gameplay is down to a science at this point and there's nothing left to do really that you hadn't done a hundred times before. It's almost like a nicotine addiction, I know you still get a small dopamine release at getting a phat piece of loot

>>383344009
You are still assuming to a whole player-base that the whole reason they are playing is because of nostalgia. Classic WoW players deserve better than to proactively explain to other people why they continue to play what they play. You yourself I'm sure enjoy a sitcom or a sport over another sitcom or sport.
"I prefer to play baseball over soccer, it's what I feel comfortable with."

The game has vastly changed from what it was, and people want to continue to enjoy the game that they paid for. To me, this is no different than someone getting real good at a old fighting game or doing runs on SMW.

>>383344521
>The gameplay is down to a science at this point
So new could emerge if it was allowed? And not everyone who is interested in the old gameplay has it down to a "science", come on.

>>383336662
>you will never recreate it. seek to make new experiences instead
tried countless of UO private servers for years until I realized this

>>383344521
Nobody has it down to a science until emulators and server admins can actually REPLICATE that "science" you speak of and not have broken quests and broken abilities..

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Will there ever be a good Wrath server?

>>383344927
Hey I have my vices too and WoW private servers were a vice of mine for a while. I don't really think there's anything wrong with a WoW addiction, it's comforting and not really unhealthy as long as you do it in moderation

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>>383345227

>>383344521
>>383344927
It's hilarious when shitters go on private servers, read a couple of guides and THINK they got the gameplay down to a science. Newsflash to anyone who belongs to that group: the guides you're reading are aimed at the broadest audience possibly and are only talking about basic and/or moderate tricks.
Of course that's not even taking into account that pservers are never 1:1 replicas of the real thing and some weird gameplay modifications always appear that change the optimal ways to play. TBC servers in particular always have some really weird shit going on with casters.

>>383345352
I don't even have nostalgia for Wrath. My computer was fucking garbage so I only played through Naxx. Tried to do Ulduar but I could only get like 5 fps in there. I just want a good one so I can fucking try it since everybody acts like it's the best expansion.

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>>383336662
I go back to games I played in middle school and realize everything I missed when I played as a kid and seeing these games from a new perspective creates new experiences

>>383338423
>I did and I have tons of free space now.
All that empty room is perfect to store your meaningless existence.

>>383343465

prove it.

show your recount with only 1 key used and compare it to your 95% theoretical max.

>nostalgia/lfrcucks

>>383345328
Ok.
I've been in the private server WoW scene since like 2010 so it's been awhile. I don't consider private servers to be really any different than any other retro gaming, yet it is extremely scrutinized by both players and the company who made the product.

>>383336662
delete this post right now

>>383336662
>Get told this bullshit for years after WotLK
>Play Nostalrius
>It's fantastic and I love it

WOW
It's almost like you're not me and you don't know what I want in a fucking video game.
Kill yourself to death .

>>383345421
>It's hilarious when shitters go on private servers, read a couple of guides and THINK they got the gameplay down to a science

I was talking more about raid strategies / character optimization being nearly flawlessly figured out and the resources being so accessible. It was more interesting when almost everyone sucked

>>383346021
Right, and nobody would disagree with that. However there is nothing wrong with players wanting to play Vanilla or TBC again. Things might not be the same but that typically isn't what they are looking to do in the first place. Usually players want to experience the content that they were not good enough to do or were too young to access at that time. I'm really surprised Blizzard has shown such neglect for players that want to restart, but whatever, fuck them.

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>>383345673
This guy still enjoys his hobby.

>>383341812

You spent over 10 years playing the game. You obviously found some sort of enjoyment out of it.

What else would you have done? watched all the newest tv series on netflix? Played mobas for the same amount of time?

If you're playing wow for that long chances are you if you stopped playing you wouldn't have learnt a new language or learn to play the guitar.

Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted.

>>383345559
>I just want a good one so I can fucking try it since everybody acts like it's the best expansion.

What people mean to say is that Ulduar is the best raid. I don't think anyone really believes WotLK was the best expansion.

>play private server
>dump hundreds of hours
>woops sorry we're shutting down lol
>end self

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>>383346624
It's just hard accepting that I spent so long playing that game and have nothing to show for it except a neglected real life in shambles. I wasn't even playing WoW because I enjoyed it most of the time, I played because it was the only thing I was any good at. Over those years, I saw so many names and faces come and go, so many internet friends and relationships that died, so much awkwardness and drama that plagues my mind, and towards the end, the last year or so of my time on WoW, I was basically playing it as an interactive single player game and distancing myself from everyone in game because it was embarrassing getting so personally invested in the game when my life is so shit. If you have a decent life outside of WoW and just play it to relax from real life then that's totally fine, but sinking your life into it, especially a version of it that is essentially living in the past is no way to live

>>383347283
This is why I can never play endgame, I got to 60 on nost, did a bit of pvp and it was fun.

Then I saw people with full T2+HW after the shutdown announcement and just wonder how much of their life they spent getting it all

Oh boy, another private server that will be dead in three weeks after being overrun by chinese gold sellers that the admins refuse to ban.

>>383345559
everybody acts like it's the best expansion because it was when most people started playing.

>>383347912
Good post.

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I'm ready as fuck for gummycraft. Been waiting for this shit for close to a year and a half, since Corecraft died.

Gummy is our lord and savior, I just want to spread my characters and let him unload his massive bugfix changelog all over the server.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE8Q9DVBdxc

>>383347060
Throne of Thunder was better. Ulduar is a meme raid that was way too fucking big

>>383345559

People act like it's the best expansion because the content was so easy that you could just slap your dick on the keyboard over and over and clear every dungeon and raid. Wrath is when the casualized design of WoW started going out of control, and "coincidentally" is also when the subscriber count started plummeting.

>>383348042
The old nost characters got imported to elysium though

>>383336364
Will they actually have a proper Felmyst encounter?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryyT9I8IadU

>>383345559
>everybody acts like it's the best expansion
I've always found this to be hilarious since everyone I knew HATED WotLK when the expansion was actually current and couldn't wait to be done with it, especially after over a year of ICC. Ruby Sanctum was a slap in the face and Cata actually looked pretty cool even though it ended up being dogshit.

That people look back fondly on it now is just unreal to me

>>383341618
WoW was defined by people with no experience with the game and no widely distributed wikis/database miners/etc.

There will be no sense of exploration for anyone experienced with the game (which is most people), so there will be no recreation of old experience. Instead the experience will be whether or not your gear is of certain ilvl or gearscore (yes gearscore has been backported to tbc/vanila servers). Its cancer. Whoever invented this gearscore-type addon virtually destroyed the game.

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>>383336662
I never played vanilla WoW when it came out, but Nost launched, and I leveled three seperate 60s, made a bunch of friends I'm still talking to most days 2+ years later, and saw stuff I never got to see in the old days. Just because I'm playing the same game doesn't mean I'm having the same experiences.

>>383348841
>"coincidentally" is also when the subscriber count started plummeting.

The fuck are you talking about? Didn't the subscriber numbers peak during WOTLK?

>>383348847
on a server that barely breaks 1000 pop

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Is there an expression that conveys overwhelming nostalgia? I'm actually feeling it in my stomach right now, browsing EJ through Wayback Machine.

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Why would you play on some no-name private server on some shitty server made by literally whos, when you can play a nice, stable progression TBC server right now @ Warmane?

>>383341383
How good is it? Are the npc player-bots able to play their class well and raid/do heroics effectively?

>>383349067
To be fair, with the backporting of gear/content to 2.0 from 2.4.3 that Felmyst is doing, a lot of the wiki content is completely inaccurate. The same with mods like DBM which are going to have a lot of things wrong due to content being pre-nerf.

>>383349198
Stability is literally the only thing warmane has for it.

>fake pop numbers
>cash shop
>inflated queue so you have to pay to play
>no scripting

You realise that as soon as felmyst launches that 90% of warmane's non-russian population is going to flee like rats from a sinking ship, don't you

>>383349160
it stays pretty steady at 1000 pop but thats now, most people quit or went to the new server

>>383336364
is it out, or is it still in "beta"?
if not, when is it out?

>>383349563
watch the god damn video

>>383349563
it'll release just after corecraft comes out

>>383349623
Oh, it was too low quality for my tastes.

>>>reminder of a much better fanmade trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTDSBS6njuM

>>383349627
>>383349563
It's releasing next friday, nerds. Watch the fucking video.

>>383338423
Also make sure to delete any pre-2010 music and throw away any pre-2010 movies. Why bother watching or listening to them or watching them again? You'll never recreate the experience you had when you first got them. You only ever seek new experiences after all.

what makes this better than vengeance?

did retail TBC launch with SSC/TK?

>>383349810
Its in open beta right now, play it. Take a look at the changelog too, the guy who runs it goes by Gummy and hes nuts. This is quite literally the best scripted private server to date.

>>383349810
4 years of core development/bugfixes. This shit is beyond corecraft-level from playing both betas. Also, it's US based and not run by Ukrainians.

Elysium already hinted at releasing a TBC server in their latest anniversary trailer. Might as well just stick with them if you want a private server community.

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>>383349898
>>383349810
the servers are currently down, but here's one of the changelogs.

https://www.felmyst.com/changelog/wzrrdwlpnfmixozjdsdkitmmyprjdzlqu.htm

That's four fucking days worth of bug fixes. That's more more than most servers fix in a month.

>You must level from 1 to 70.

nvm then

>>383350179
Back to /elyg/ with you. Elysium is utter garbage and everyone with some sense has left, all that remains is the 70% chinese population.

>>383350202
forums, I should say. I think the beta servers are still up.

>>383350024
afaik vengeance has been in development for over 5 years. it's not a perfect server but it's certainly the most stable private server i've played on in regards to functioning skills and amount of quests that work

>>383336662
More like a missed opportunity, like if they released a classic server we get the chance to raid all those dungeons at the appropriate level cap and experience everything in its prime.

It's really more of a highlight of the problems with MMOs constant development and patching. It's like if your favorite franchise scrapped every previous iteration when a new title launched. Imagine you could never play Dead Rising again because they closed a server and said "just play 4" or every previous Metal Gear Solid was scrapped because they released a new one.

They should bring vanilla WoW to consoles.

>>383350410
but it's been in development while at the same time being hosted and maintained, which takes a large amount of any dev team's time. This has been in full scale development and closed testing for the entire time.

Gummy is also one of the oldest and most experienced private server programmers, he built his own tools to reverse engineer the server code, for the most part.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiz7bEhkNH8&t

>>383350227
I was going to call you a faggot but I just remembered this is a children's website

>>383350275
stay mad, kid. I'm having fun.

>>383349860
i think so, iirc everything but black temple/ ZA and the one with Kil'Jaeden were out at launch but you needed to unlock them so you had to do them in order

>>383336662
>you miss the freedom and youth

Weird, when I was younger I had no time to play TBC and missed out on a lot of stuff due to having to study and do lots of volunteer and club bullshit. Now that I am an adult with my own place and a career I have tons of free time to do whatever I want.

I dont understand private servers of WoW, why would you want to play the game gameplay wise back then? You can simulate that old broken experience but you cant simulate the people.

i miss tbc so much. i used to be a shadow priest, i was pretty damn good and my guild loved having me in their raids. i raided nearly every night of the week and it was so much fun. now i'm an adult and everyone at work and school thinks i'm a faggot. i want to escape again

>>383351471
Yeah that guy needs to sucka dick., I was a dumbass kid when vanilla came out, I had a shitty pc and no way to talk and coordinate. Now I'm a less dumbass adult with a nice pc who can talk over a mic. Playing Nost was tons of fun and I don't regret playing at all.

>>383344470
belf pallies were cool before with the "Our Naaru, who art in the basement" backstory. Then they just had to retcon them to being actually pious. I liked them better back then.

>>383351497
because the modern experience is far more broken than the old experience

>>383351019
I'll be having fun too, but on a much superior server

so what is gummys server a meme now

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>>383348841
>>383349128
Azjol'Nerub was supposed to be after Ulduar but due to the lack of resources they turned it into the Trial of the Crusader. This failure was the ultimate turning point for WoW.

fuckin' wrathbabbies
>naxxramas
>trial of the crusader
>snorefest of ICC
only ONE good raid and lore bending for the sake of having a uniform continent of diversity and lush plant life instead of an interesting frozen wasteland

>>383352432
DKs were cool before they dumpstered them and shoehorned all the tanks into Blood

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>>383346608
It's funny cause not too long ago I was stuck in this mindset that I need to fully clear every game I play and it felt like a chores to play video games
then I realized I wasn't having fun and forgot the point of playing video games is to have fun
the minute you find it annoying to have to clear a game or you just have to force yourself to play it you're not having fun and should not be spending your time playing video games

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>>383336364
tfw playing on a wow vanilla server with just me and 7 irl friends

>Miss TBCWoW
>Know that it's just a timesink and won't have the community of retail at the time
>Still getting the urges to join up
Frankly WotLK will always have a special place in my heart for making Tank the role i fell in love with Was known by name as one of the only competent Frost DK tanks at launch

But still, i would only join if there's the chance for community

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So what faction and class are you going to roll?
I might finally go horde this time, can't decidce on the class yet

>Logged into bnet to help a friend on D3
>Flist is empty, thats weird
>Check Bnet account, WoW account is active
>Change pw and check accounts
>multiple max lvl demon hunters
>Main has +40k gold

T....Thanks Chinese

>>383352432
Don't forget the canceled troll and Utgard raids, both of which had entire loot tables, some of which was not seen until MoP, and most will never see the light of day. And also the dropped Nerubian questlines and zone. And Crystalsong, that was never used for anything but a few dailies.

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>>383352937
remember, no chinks

>>383353274
based

>>383353008
probably alliance. They've said they'll introduce a per-faction queue if one gets too much higher than the other, and people always roll more horde on TBC servers cause of muh bludelves

>>383353008
draenei mage
got burned out of priest leveling from Elysium, though I enjoy healing the most

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>>383353218
Aerial combat, which was even advertised on the back of the box.

>>383353678
shit, forgot about belves
alliance it is, gonna be a racist dwarf

>>383353274
Ok now i'm more interested

>>383340101
There are literally more wrath servers than there are players

>>383353796

top-tier choice.

I was originally thinking of playing a Dwarf rogue that kills Blood Elves on sight, but I'm thinking I might go for a spacegoat shaman instead, since I want to kill people in world PvP without feeling like I cheated by stunlocking them to death. still kind of undecided though

>>383353008
UD or Tauren Warrior, depending on how the Tier sets look
Belf Paladin because i love the lore behind it
Dwarf Hunter because it looks rad

I'm conflcited anons

Someone explain

Is it live right now?
Do i have to torrent the game or can i use my current B.Net install?
Can i go through all vanilla content on top of BC content?

>>383354270
out july 21

>>383336364
I'm waiting for northcraft. TBC is great but wotlk has defined too much of my hardest years in life, I now have rose-tinted glasses directly filtering what my eyes transmit to my brain, I cannot take them off.

>>383354127
Go with the shaman, belf pallys (the only good belves) will smoke your rogue's ass.

>>383345673
This is a good post.

>>383354270
It's currently in open beta. You can connect, make a level 70 and test everything out if you want.

You'll need to torrent a patch 2.4.3 client, they have one for download on the website.

Do you mean vanilla leveling or vanilla endgame content? You'll still need to level to 58 before you can start the BC content. The exp required is much less than it was when 60 was the cap though.

>>383354393
I was waiting for northcraft too. I've been waiting for a decent WOTLK server for ever. but from what I saw of the beta, it really does seem to be a super basic stock server with only a few things here and there fixed. From what I've seen of their team I'm not convinced they have enough dev experience to get it polished before release.

And after testing a server with proper scripting I'm not sure I can go back. The Irony is I was going to play Northcraft while waiting for Gummy's to come out and Northcraft's release is now a month after gummy's.

>>383353780
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The Aerial Combat was in the Beta up until really close to the Launch its weird you can't find any footage of it. It was Janky as shit and just sucked.

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I'm already playing on Warmane, will probably change the realmlist and check it out when it goes live.

>>383354806
Yeah, I don't expect the scripting to be good either, but sadly we're running out of option to play wotlk in a way that is not "farm ICC, or farm ToC to prepare for ICC". Ulduar is so fucking great and nobody gives a damn about it.

Progressive release is so damn good. HC dungeons being more than your dialy +2 emblems of frost, titansteel items being relevant other than "I got my alt to 80 lets get some items", and the likes.

>>383354935
I played on Lordaeron a lot but now that it's on ICC it has just lost its purpose for me

Icecrown is a terrible ToC-ICC simulator, I tried joining a few people to do progressive raiding with them but people would just miss raid times, leave, go elsewhere, and generally it wouldnt work

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>thread makes you go looking for a nostalgiatrip
>browse Elitist Jerks through Wayback Machine
>see if you can find your old posts
>find them
>typing like a Borderlands-character, completely effeminate nu-male speak
Getting the wrong kind of chills right now.

>>383345227
>a good Wrath server
How can there be a good server for a shit expansion?

>>383355182
I do want that, and I could probably get most of that from northcraft. But the chances of getting a decent wrath server in future are probably higher than getting a TBC server better than Felmyst any time soon. So I'd rather miss out on NC's launch for now. Shame they had to launch so close to eachother.

>>383355563
I can still find my awful posts on an RPG maker forum back in 2002. Reading those makes me full on cringe.

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>It's anon can't decide what class/race combo to play again episode
What a blast from the past

>>383354428
I think I will go for goatshaman. At least that gives me a canonical reason to kill all blood elves on sight. Shame, because I love the TBC rogue tier gear so much.

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>>383345854
Easily done.

>>383349160
Elysium is literally 6000+ at all times.

>>383353008
Probably Alliance. I went Horde last time I went on a private server, so I'll go Alliance this time.

Not like it matters a bunch, but I guess at least I'll have the benefit of having that hit chance aura from Draeneis.

>>383356108
*4k chinese.

>>383356329
You get lone PM from a chink like every 30 mins. It's ignorable.

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Can't decide to go Fem UD or Fem Tauren Warrior
Both the animations and gear look much better than i remember

help

>>383356565
Not talking about gold sellers bud. Talking about the black lotus farming, non-english speaking, gray killing, character hacking chinks that make up at least half the server.

No inshop makes it look nice, already better than any wotlk server
Why wotlk kids are so stupid and ready to play on the servers where you can buy even epics for the real money?
ANyway, anyone saw beta of this server? How is it?

>>383356645
fem UD
fem tauren look too rigid
fem orc is god tier though

>>383345807
Underrated post

>>383356849
I have no idea what you're talking about. Care to elaborate more?

>>383356891
I played it for a couple hours, seemed stable enough and got a couple starting zone quests no problem
You can use debugger tools in the beta to give yourself max shit so I'll probably make a 70 and dick around contested zones until the release

>>383356934
the thousands of chinks that infest private servers, they are mechanically awful at most aspects of the game but they farm like machines, usually skewing the economy and the ranking system to an extreme degree.

>>383336662
fpbp.
It's really not worth it. If you've never played WoW before I guess you could try it out but otherwise just move on.

>>383357108
I've never really noticed anybody like that throughout my whole time playing on Elysium though. The only thing that really annoys me is how much shit I see like spanish/BR/RU guilds. It's a fucking American server gtfo.

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>>383352258
they must have figured "why release such a big complex dungeon and delay another expansion release when we can just pushout Icecrown and a new expansion$$"

mannn, an azjol'nerub raid could have created a nice blended atmosphere between AQ40 and original Naxx. First I've read about that and I'm disappointed since WotLK was the last time that raiding was still had some level on intrigue in it

>>383356893
Interesting, i've never considered FemOrc
Just that UD starting > Orc Starting

Got anythign else that might persuade me?

>>383357437
Futa orcs are easier to roleplay than undead futas.

>>383357283
You must have been lucky, chances are if you made it to 40+ thats when you start to run into the chinese death squads that roam around killing lowbies to farm honor. I got farmed for almost 2 hours in badlands trying to farm those black whelps.

>>383357314
Azjol'Nerub was a zone, not a raid.

>>383357574
Well maybe you're right as my char is only 27 at the moment. Maybe that was a while ago as the mods have been throwing the ban hammer around like crazy as of late. Outright banning anybody who even plays on a chinese client I've heard.

>>383357512
>Magical Realming
>Ever
This thinking ruined Males NElves

>>383353678
people roll horde in TBC because the racials are gamebreaking and can give a massive advantage in high rated arena

>>383357870
>Magical Realming
this some D&D term?

>>383357965
I wonder what the server pop will be though, since after a constant 3k people, you don't really notice too much imbalance

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>>383357437
fem undead has probably my favourite animations, especcially for caster characters. I dunno bout warrior though. I generally hate taurens, their animation is so slow and bulky. Fem Troll warrior would probably be one of the rarest race/class combos, you'll always stand out at the very least.

>>383356891
I leveled to 30 in the beta, found maybe 6-7 bugs (mostly stuff dropping wrong items, questgiver mobs mssing a bit of dialogue, nothing game breaking), all of which got fixed a few days after I reported them.

I think the most noticable difference with this server to any other is probably the Mob AI. If you get too close to a mob they'll scoot back a few steps to get back into normal combat range, instead of standing on top of you like other servers. If you're fighting a couple of mobs they'll fan out rather than stack up in one spot. Spellcaster mobs will also keep their distance and cast spells until you engage them, rather than cast one spell and then run in to melee like any other server. I can't tell you how happy I was when a kobold netted me, ran a few metres away and started crossbowing me while I was stuck in place. I've never seen that on a pserver before.

In terms of scripting quality it's miles ahead of any other server. It's not quite retail but it's easily the closest thing at the moment.

>>383358269
kobold? I meant gnoll, I think. The guys who look like dog creatures.

What happened to Crestfall?

>>383358478
indefinite development

>>383356893
>>383358269
I never though out >>383357965 point of everyone rolling Horde for them BElves
Though i did play Vanilla > LK in Alliance

I'm conflcited

>>383358478
Release never, hype killed, elysium is picking up their slack and gummy's releasing soon

>>383357965
I had this discussion with a friend. I was arguing that the amount of people who are actually good enough at arena for those racials to decide a fight make up like 1% of the people roll horde for the apparently superior racials. So it's more like a perception that they're better for 99% of the playerbase.

It then becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. People think that horde are better at pvp, so pvpers go horde. Alliance loses more, and more people switch over to alliance so they don't have to lose. Soon, you have 90% of the pvp population playing alliance and the server dies. I'm hoping the queue might fix this.

>>383358705
arena/bgs ruined PvP so don't worry about it

>>383358705
I can't play horde in anything past TBC. The thought of playing with blood elves ruins the whole faction for me. Vanilla is the only xpack I'll play horde in.

>>383358885
forsaken should have ruined it
they don't fit in with the Horde at all

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lemme guess, another kara-only server for the 10th time

>>383358269
>Fem troll
The feet look stupid in mail/plat

>>383358931
Well, if we're talking WC3 lore, Night Elves never should have been alliance and Forsaken never should have been horde. But I guess they had to squeeze em in to make the game work.
At least undead were hideous and fit in with the horde aesthetic. blood elves should have always stayed a killable faction, like Naga. The idea of them joining up with the horde makes less sense than tauren paladins.

>>383358725
I don't think forced factions are fair in the spirit of WoW but I've come to loathe TBC arena because of racial imbalances. Orc warriors stun resist and will of the forsaken are so amazingly overpowered in the rock paper scissors RNG shitfest that is TBC arena. I think you'd be surprised at how often you lose matches because of the other team having a racial advantage yet they don't even know that's why they lost and just assumed that the other team were better players

>>383359351
>Tauren templars were in lore since wc3 rpg rulebook times
>BAAAAWW I ONLY PLAYED SINCE WOTLK AND TAUREN PALADINS DON'T MAKE SENSE
Literally cancer

>>383358996
Pretty sure up to thee end of T5 has been fully tested and developed and will be on release. Then there'll be a custom attunement where you have to kill kaelthas to get access to Zul'Aman and Sunwell Isle, to stop the OP gear from those places ruining the raid progression.

This server has gear reverted to it's 2.0 pre-buffed state, so Heroic, Tier 4 and 5 gear is about 5-10% weaker in stats, making the raids much tougher. Heroics will also require revered with factions before you can get the key. Which means we're going to need to get geared up in normals before we can take heroics/tier4.

He apparently wants no catchup mechanics, so that everybody has the same progression experience no matter when they start playing the server, unlike most 2.4.3 servers where people get sunwell badge gear which is tier 6 level as soon as they hit 70 and skip tier 4 altogether.

>>383359785
It's more the idea of them being "sun druids" and not changing the class at all.

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Looks like i'll be rolling Horde this time around, despite the pretty obvious overpop due to BEs
But now i have 3 races to decide over

Good thing Wowhead's modelviewer is still a thing and i need to see if i can come up with a backstory for each possible one

>>383360085
There will be a ton of belves for sure but the polls done on the felmyst forums and reddit have more people picking alliance. Also for what its worth every "top" guild will also be playing alliance.

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What the fuck is the appeal of BE's? They're just humans but pink and with big ears. Atleast Night Elves look somewhat different. Also Trolls a best.

>>383360465
It will still be more horde for sure, I think the percentage of people who post on the official forum is pretty small and smaller for reddit. Would be neat if I'm wrong tho, would be great to see as close as possible to 50:50.

I had my heart set on going orc shaman but after convincing a bunch of RL friends to play with me they all want to go alliance. I fucking hate spacegoats so now I'm fucking torn and have two weeks to sperg internally about it.

>>383360465
those represent just the nerds who play basically nothing but pservers tho. Once the masses roll in you'll see a shift to horde, I'd say.

>>383360684
most superior race of the eastern kingdoms with their magic

>>383360684
They pretty and proportionate, thats it. WoW has a comic book look to it, beat meaty dudes who aren't exactly good looking. Then you have belves come in with their pretty faces and anime hair.I reckon there would be less belves if humans and nelves weren't ugly, undead had no bones sticking out, and the horde races stood up straight.

>>383360684
Trolls and dwarfs are best races, unquestionably. If only they'd let dwarves be shamans earlier on, I'd have never have wanted to play anything else.

>>383336662
I wanna play Vanilla / TBC servers exactly because I have more freedom and could actually put forth the time and effort to raid. I have more freedom to game now as a working adult with a wife and a small child than I did when I was a student.

>>383340101
what's wrong with warmane's Lordareon ? 1x WotLK server with turned off LFG/LFR, it's literally perfect

>>383336364
"Felmyst - Burning Crusade - Private Server is currently unavailable"

Great server guys

>>383361615
u wot? The server and website are both up.

>>383361608
people don't want to roll on a server that's been up for years and everybody has been farming end raids for ever.

>>383346624
>I-It's O-OK to do anything as long as you enjoy it, r-right?
Found the retarded wanna-be baby boomer.
KYS faggot.

>>383336662
im playing elysium right now and having a blast, many people either played one class and/or never got to max level, the opportunity to shoot for these things in different ways is exciting. the game hasn't aged nearly as much as people imply

>>383361857
>people don't want to roll on a server that's been up for years and everybody has been farming end raids for ever.
>people also don't want to roll on a fresh dime-a-dozen server that might as well shit the bed after the first month and you're forced to re-roll from the start on another, fuck knows what kind of server
I'll take stability over memery any day
There needs to be a new server on a known realm, that would be ideal
All I can tell from this "Felmyst" server is that they can create a website, that's all, fuck knows who's running the shit and it's based in Jew York, I can bet it won't last more than half a year until the playerbase never even reaches 5k or so

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>>383345673
this guy gets it. what great post on a sunday

>>383362269
Educate yourself fuckstick. Its run by Gummy the supreme bug fixing autist ,and theres been an open beta for a month now. And get your retarded Nost numbers out of here, anything over 3k is more than enough. Elysium has 5k and they're mostly chinks, while Warmane jsut fucking lies about their pop.

>>383362269
Classic Cuckmayne shill

>>383360465
See this is what bugs the shit out of me.
So far i'm choosing Warrior, because i'm a sadist and i love tanking in pretty much every genre.
But the only races that look good on Alliance are MHuman and, despite the memes, MNElf.

The only other alternate alliance i'd play is a Dwarf Hunter

>>383360465
>"top" guilds
>forgoing Horde racials
Heh

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>>383341206

>>383362845
Human is the best race for warrior alliance side, for dps and tanking.

>>383336364
>inb4 a millon chinks and russians
no thanks

>>383363317
VPNs are banned, english client only, read the thread.

>>383363317
see>>383353274

>>383363389
two things will happen: chinks find a way to play, or chinks will pay to play. mark my words

>>383363279
Nightelf called, they want their 2% dodge back

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>>383363279
I'm 90% sure i'm going to roll Horde since i've been Alliance in retail AND during Nost
I need to change it up

Now it's just deciding whether to be Fem UD Warrior or Fem Orc - or if i'm just going to be picking a class that everyone and their mother will choose
I guess the only other viable tank would be BElf Paladin

>>383363389
>vpns are banned
where did they discuss that?

>>383363652
>doesn't trust based gummy
fuck off the server then

>>383363652
Yes there will but significantly less.
>>383363669
Human's sword and mace expertise is better, less glancing blows, less parries, more threat. Sorry if you lkikenelves man but they're the worst race in game, at least at this point.

>>383362243
Literally the only bad things about Elysium is the chink gold sellers and the huge amount of fags from /v/ or /pol/. It's so obnoxious seeing 4chan memes outside of it.

>>383364375
And bugs. And "patches" breaking even more. And Russians. And trannies

The only WoW game worth playing is Vanilla. It's the only good WoW game. Anything after is complete shit.

>>383364668
Stop false flagging Wrath/Legion fag. TBC is literally Vanilla part 2.

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guys I just hit 70 on warmane... what's wrong with warmane exactly?

>>383365040
>he actually wasted time leveling on shitmane
hahahahahaha

>>383365083
i mean it really wasnt hard with 7.5x xp

>>383361608
>what's wrong with server with level boasts and epic shop
I wonder

>>383364857
>TBC is literally Vanilla part 2
Fuck yes it is, improves everything about vanilla.

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I haven't play wow in a long while and want to hop on a private server for the first time.
Thing is, I don't think I understand completely, are private servers always stuck on a single expansion? I guess I should try one but, whats the appeal of that?

>>383365737
>whats the appeal of that
playing content that's better than that's currently out

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What kind of priest do I roll on Alliance? I know Priest racial abilities are still a thing. Was thinking Draenei just for the hit bonus since I'd like to do shadow.

>>383365809
I mean, I get that part but don't you run out of things to do in a single expansion?

Anybody else play on Excalibur?

>>383365574
>welfare epics
>flying
>small continent compared to vanilla
>daily quests
>khadgar's minion's tour

>>383365904
Only in wotlk+

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>>383336662
First post best post

Good servers will progress through patches at roughly the same rate blizzard released them on retail. Currently no server has had decent enough developers/stayed alive and popular long enough to progress past a single expansion. A lot of them want to, and the gameplan is to basically open a second server on the new expansion and let people transfer characters across.

If you want to start pservers, I'd play when felmyst comes out next friday. it's probably the best one you'll get the chance to play on for a few years at least.

>>383336662
This is a meme arguement propagated by Blizzard.

I am playing Elysium right now and loving it.

>>383365904
Just roll an alt on the opposite faction. Shit, leveling to 60 alone takes a good 3 weeks if you aren't autistic. It's not like retail WoW that I'll be playing for 3+ years. It's just a fun experience during a time where the market is filled with absolute shit.

>>383365981
meant for >>383365737


>>383365904
also, in vanilla and TBC there's enough content to keep people playing for a year or more. Wrath is where they started to go content-lite and added difficulty modes to try and stretch the content out a bit further.

>>383356090
>At least 5 other buttons pressed
>Marked shot increases the damage of Aimed shot
Not an argument

>>383365945
Memes, memes, and more memes.

>>383366171
he was arguing that 60% of his damage came from a single ability. you're moving goalposts now.

>>383366291
>Only 1 key used
>Compared to 95% theoritcal max
Hmmmm

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if you're feeling nostalgic, why not come and help on wowpedia, /v/?

>>383366195
good arguments

>>383366698
Hes lucky I didn't post a smug anime girl.

>>383365945
>>welfare epics
explain?

>>383366858
Badges of Justice

>>383366858
I guess he means epics from badge/heroics. But with heroics locked behind revered rep, and the 2.0 nerfed gear, items being epic will be almost irrelevant on gummy's because it'll be inferior to a lot of blue gear that drops from normals/heroics. Progression will be structured more like vanilla where blue gear would still be an upgrade over/on par with epic loot from MC 50% of the time.

>>383367206
Oh please, badges weren't welfare, they were genuinely difficult to get for you average player, you'd only get 1 piece of badge gear every 2 weeks to a month or so

>>383367206
BoJ weren't welfare
They were for people who couldn't raid

>>383368007
And TBC raids were FUCKING HARD.

>yet another private server that will end up in drama like the #328372492742947 ones before it

>>383368061
As they should be. There was real respect for those wearing the best gear.
They were also FUCKING FUN

>>383366058
>good 3 weeks if you aren't autistic
Lad...

>>383366058
>good 3 weeks if you aren't autistic
you mean 3 weeks if you are autistic?

>>383369863
>>383369783
Who plays private servers to speed through like you're on retail?

>>383366058
>iirc it took my 13 days /played to hit 70 in tbc from 1
Yeah more like 3 months anon

>>383369969
3 weeks is a pretty good speed for vanill/tbc

>>383336662
Nigga why do you have to ruin my day like that, you think I don't know that? I'd love to play it with my friends like the old times but they just play casual crap now.

Daily reminder to use an unique / shady / throwaway email coupled with a unique password that you share on virtually nothing else coupled with an unique nickname to register to private servers.

You can't even begin to understand how unsecured these are.

>>383370538
>tfw I do all of this
Am I fucked?

>>383370538
good thing we have cock.li and keepass

>HURF DURF ITS JUST NOSTALIA
>U JUST MIS BIENG A TEENAGER WITH NO RSPONSIBILTIES
>go on Nostalrius
>have fun again
>make new friends

Gotta love how people project their shit on others. I just want a decent MMO to play.

>>383370538
bring it boris i am not afraid of you

>>383371164
I wouldn't doubt that it's literally just FFXIV fags.

>>383371164
It is literally that guy who argues that fun isn't a good enough reason to say a game is good

>>383371221
>boris
It's not Boris that you should be afraid of, but Chang

>>383371398
>implying the chinese don't have all my info already
you underestimate the chinks

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>>383336364
At this point I would only play tbc with some custom balancing when it comes to races and classes.

I'm tired od stunlocking people to death, i'm tired of being indestructible as resto druid, i'm tired of spamming rank 1 frostbolts, and i'm tired of always outnumber / being outnumbered in pvp because of retardedly imbalanced faction racials.

>>383336662
this
how many servers must be axed before privatefags learn?

>>383371703
>you think you want it, but you don't

>>383370961
>keepass
>not storing all your passwords on paper in a small safe itself contained in a bigger safe

Anything stored on a computer is meant to be compromised, disregarding if it's encrypted or not. Plus, you're way more likely to have your shit compromised on a computer than your house robbed.

Also the dude behind cock.li can virtually access every email so i wouldn't do that either. Even for a throwaway shit.

>>383371968
vincent can read all my emails if he wants, there's nothing there I care about, it's a throwaway anyways. Plus you can nice emails from him sometimes.
Also, I'm currently in the process of writing down all my passwords on paper in case I lose them somehow, but still prefer the program since you can just copy paste it

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>>383372063
forgot pic

>>383371597
>Leftie/pol/ comics

human or draenei priest?

>>383373964
go hume for that hot ass spirit racial.

Plus, TBC is very rep heavy. You'll be very thankful for the 10% extra rep in the long run.

>>383373964
Blood elf

>>383374074
but if I go draenei people want me in their groups for 1% hit

>>383374119
There will be draenei shamans everywhere anyway

>>383374210
and what about hymn of hope/chastice!?

>>383374119
raids want 1/5 players in raids to be shamans since totems only affect 5 players. There will be tons of draenei on alliance side. You'll still get the hit talent regardless.

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>>383373964
Human.

>>383341849
As a shitter who raided as a ret paladin in retail vanilla, I like the idea that I actually know what I'm doing now. I don't know why people act like this is a bad thing

>>383347912
> If you have a decent life outside of WoW and just play it to relax from real life then that's totally fine, but sinking your life into it, especially a version of it that is essentially living in the past is no way to live
Thats how every addiction works. At the beginning you distract from your daily routines by some new things, then they are consuming more and more of your daily attention until you have no life, cant live not thinking about it everywhere and everytime until you lost all of your juice and cant continue cycle.

>>383336364
Why play this over elyssium exactly?

>>383376048
Because people want to play on a english speaking server, not being the 10% population out of 90% being chinese and russians

Also
>>383370538
>>383353274

>>383356329
>>383356565
If this is true then it almost perfectly emulates Vanilla WoW

Those little chinese shits were constantly doing this. It was fun to run around and flare their NE Rogue farmers out of Tyr's hand and blast them to hell for hours.

>>383376241
it's also hosted in murrica so you amerifats might finally get more to play because no high ping

>>383353274
Noice.

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>post yfw this gets shut down by Blizz once it gets too popular

>>383376780
So maybe don't be obnoxious cunts like the nostalrius crowd and annoy both WoW forum posters and /v/ posters with the shitposting, and just do what every other private servers do and keep quiet

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>>383337632
>Little concerned with server location.
whats the location?

>>383377009
New York

Funny I just visit the reddits looking for a server and then I got this fucking 12 days I want to play now

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>>383377342
>Funny I just visit the reddits

>>383377469
It was a honest 1st google link. And reddit isnt bad for its content, silly.

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>>383377974
>reddit isnt bad for its content
There is a private server general on /vg/, they talk about new servers and stuff and current ones

>>383378131
Do i navigate through the chan, use the horrible search catalogue and then ask generally horrible people and wait for the answer, or do i just google it? Hm, really makes you think, fellow anonymous.

>>383378131
other guy here. There is no way in hell that /vg/ is better than reddit. I would ask guys smoking at a bus shelter for their opinion of private servers before I asked /vg/.

>leveling 1 to 70
>rates are x1
Nah. No way I'm wasting my time on this again.

>>383378740
This desu. After years of private servers I think I'm finally fully burned out. Leveling up through Azeroth for the thirtieth time and then farming pre-raid bis from dungeons I've completed thousands of times only to do raids I have seen dozen of times doesn't sound all that interesting anymore.

>>383379350
>>383378740
it's not our fault you sunk hours into subpar servers. ever since corecraft was on the horizon, I've avoided playing TBC servers so I didn't burn myself out on the content, and it's finally going to pay off.

hypefags are fucking clinically retarded
Remember when corecraftfags got BTFO 7 months ago? I do

Are Chinese IPs banned?

vanilla 243 is superior

>>383373964
Draenei zone sucks less compared to the original alliance races, and you will leave all green/blue on the 20lvl
Same with BE

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>>383381814
>That feeling when you got your Blood-Tempered Ranseur and Seal of Command and you leave Quel'Thalas ready to fuck up the Barrens

>>383380861
Honestly, they should be. Japan and China does it against westerners and it's okay. The Chinese are too bothersome a community in online games; it's not racist it is simple fact.

>>383382372

>when a good blue weapon drops just as you get windfury

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>>383382601
>having a high level help push you through your Whirlwind Axe quest at 30 back when the PVP brackets ended on the 10's

>>383381814
tfw never even explored the draenei zone

>>383348841
wrath was the peak of wow sub count. It started going down during cata.

>>383382878
I miss those days. Developers need to learn that Power Spikes are fun and rewarding. Doing something difficult that lets you stand out from the pack while you're leveling is a great way to engage players. The Whirlwind Axe questline was a great example of MMO design, it had its basis in lore, in gameplay, and in the social aspects of the game and it integrated all of them to create a fun experience.

>>383382372
>>383382956
I've done azuremyst but I've never done bloodmyst, in 10 years of playing wow. Kinda looking forward to it.

>>383383042
tfw you get mortal strike and buy an executioners cleaver at level 43, and proceed to fuck up every clothie in sight

but the glory

>>383379552
1) i played tbc retail, i was talking about that. Nowhere did anyone say that not wanting to waste your life on x1 is your problem. 2) corecraft is dead.

>>383352032
thats gonna get shut down by blizz in a year :)

>>383382416
There are a number of legitimate reasons to segregate player populations that have nothing to do with racism.
When one community contains 99% of the gold farming and selling, it should be an obvious indicator that something should be done.
One semi-interesting thing is that even with all of the chinese gold selling spam you'll see on certain servers, the vast majority of gold selling is chinese to chinese. NOT chinese to western players. Western players certainly do buy gold but it's nothing compared to what the chinese players purchase and is really only a nice bonus.

When Nost was out there were several chinese gaming forums where they were astonished that they had free reign to get on this relatively nice western server and play/farm gold, etc that was free.
Back on nost if you installed chinese fonts to read blank messages and then translated, half of everything said in ironforge was related to gold buying/selling. They would talk about it openly and many of them had no idea that it was even considered against the rules or a taboo. It's an entirely different gaming culture and I know how that sounds like a meme but it's true.
If you're a chinese mmo player and you're not buying gold, you're considered poor and not cool.

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>>383336662

>when the first post is by far the best post in the thread

>>383383252
you're burned out from retail TBC, which hasn't been around since 2008? Jesus, give me a break. If nine years isn't enough time to recharge your interest in content, well, I don't know what there is from you.

1x is the game. If you want something else, look for a highrate fun server. But it's not WoW you're playing.

>>383383516
when that post has been refuted 1/4 the way into the thread
>>383345673

>>383383642
Stop talking about burning out. The wow leveling was never good in the first place. I've played wow since vanilla and while i was leveling my very fucking first character, i already became bored of how slow, grindy and tedious it was.
I dont even know why the hell did you replied to me. Did you get triggered by me not wanting to play the server you're playing? Jesus, kid.

>>383380861
no but I don't think the cancer chinese that don't communicate will be willing to play on English clients

>>383384160
What? I'm replying to the dude who said he was 'burned out from leveling on private servers". Sorry if you mistook me for replying to somebody else.

Anyway, I've played since early TBC and I was still surprised to meet new/decent people on private servers who I'm happy to hang with outside of WoW

>>383384307
You realize they can just connect with a Chinese client, right?

>>383384631
see
>>383353274

>>383384675
So what? The devs literally can't do anything to detect the language setting of the client and likely won't do anything to enforce the public chat rules.

>>383384675
This is not how it works
I just tested their beta with full russian client and everything worked
Honestly I doubt that they could lock not english players even if they wanted. Just look how they decided to fix problem that you can't make both alliance and horde characters on the pvp server, they fucking made 2 servers to fix it