Woa.. Really.. Hm... Makes me think... Why is The Witcher 3

spoiler alert: its shit

>>383307774
Excuse me? The Witcher 3 is not shit at all it is one of the greatest games this decade...

>>383307536
Is this a troll image or real numbers? Because BotW felt much, much bigger to me. Maybe because it was so empty.

>>383308476
Obviously real anon

Eh, I'm sorta in the middle. I love the game and think W3 is great overall but I'm also a Witcher fanboy who's currently reading the books so I'm a bit impartial. I'm more then willing to acknowledge the game as flaws though, namely that the loot system is fucking broken and I'm tired of getting relic weapons that are less powerful then base swords. Also a good majority of the armor in the game looks terrible (that's why you always go for Witcher armor)

>>383309115
*not impartial, partial towards the game
>fuck me

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whoa. cute map kid does it come in adventureer size?

>>383307870
either the witcher 3 is one of the only games you've every played or you hate RPGs

>>383307536
I think Witcher was able to have alot of good side quests while keeping the world that large, but there was ALOT of really half-assed contracts especially in the Nilfgaardian base in the bottom right. Skyrim is just dense as FUCK, as bad as the Skyrim dungeons are the Witcher ones are literally nothing.

GTA's map is a joke, only really utilized in GTAO

>>383308476
Skyrim is only the lighter area of that map, BoTW is that entire area.

>>383310384
this thread is for RPGs, faggot, not braindead social simulators

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excuse me

>>383311403
>GTA V

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>Westashit

Here is what a TRUE map looks like

>>383311572
nice walking simulator

>>383311050
Name a better RPG that's come out between 2015 and now

>>383311050
not him but witcher series along with VtMB my favorite rpg series. almost 20 years of gaming.

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>>383311703
Mass Effect Andromeda

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>>383311468
yeah no thats nothing

isnt xenoblade x the biggest?

>>383311572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dms58hFsz74
most of that is empty and only accessible using exploits.

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>>383307536
>witcher 3
>rpg

>>383311291
The sea water on GTAV shouldn't count towards it's size, either.

>>383310384
might be impressive if 80% of the map wasn't water.

having a huge map is a bad thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsCWy5wUs04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BJ4s622JnQ

when a bunch of forrest gumps say that witcher 3 is good

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>>383307536
Minecraft possible map size is 8 times the size of the earth surface. Your mear KM are funny.

>>383312894
but thats literally the issues the gta and witcher map has except its more like 90%

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nice map you got there nerds

Witcher 3 is the best rpg since Dragon Age Origins. Anyone who says otherwise has never played it, doesn't like rpgs, is a weeb who doesn't like combat unless they're watching the game play it self. Or is a contrarian. Fact

>>383313157
purposefully making it look worse than it is. Desperate and sad.

>>383313157
>unpatched game
>20 fps
>PS4
nice bait

>BOTW
>full of content and interesting locations
>TW3
>devoid of content and interesting locations

Really makes you think.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/Observable_Universe_with_Measurements_01.png
you guys are all fucking subhumans

>>383307536
Show me the source data on these area numbers please

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>>383312315
Nope, Daggerfall is, by A LOT

>>383307536

Source: My massive gaping asshole

>>383313737
oh look shrine number 234. YIPPE! "content"

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>>383312059
Ya blew it

>>383313604

trying to find a reason to defend this game is actually desperate and sad

>>383307536
GTAIV and GTAV both have WAY TOO BIG of maps. map size is pretty much irrelevant, it's the amount of novel+interesting content and the map design that matters.

>>383313916
Well yes, an empty field with randomly-placed tree and rock sprites can be arbitrarily large.

>>383307870

show me the sources that it is the greatest game of this decade

>>383314120
Yup. Your 1 minute second video about the horse really convinced me. Cherry pick harder dumbass.

>>383314294
>amazing story
>unique sidequests
>amazing combat


uhhh.. anon?

>>383314539


I'm not good at convincing dumbasses sry

>>383307536
It's not an RPG, that word means nothing at this point, it's a simlplistic action game married to an MMO. In other words, a typical game shoved into a giant world without any open-world design.

It's not even a good game, I just think it has a few really good qualities. For me it's yet another case of an open world feeling especially vacant, boring or dead. Some people like these games. Some people also like Stardew Valley.

you know you could just make a small map and have the player run slower, scale everything smaller and closer together...

>>383315476
>Not an RPG
>You don't choose how your character acts and reacts
>You don't choose how your character fights and deals with problems
>You don't roleplay
Maybe you didn't

>>383315626
You mean make a large map and have the player run faster, and scale everything larger and further apart, thus winning map dick swinging contests.

>>383315745
you can't do that because they generally measure the size based on run speed

w2>w3

>>383315831
W1>W3

>>383315976
Witcher 1 Early Beta>>>>W1

lets see how much more hipster we can get

>>383307536
Ark has better maps and its a lot more interactive. Cross server wars and warlords. I quit. Almost led to a divorce. Been in a war with Cobra for around 1 year. Our entire alliance can fill 8 servers up.

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Is this a map a thread?

>>383315716
Those don't make it a role playing game, those just make it a videogame. Thanks for your weird response, anyways.

>>383307536
Does that account for Toussaint?

>>383315476

That's the lowest quality bait i've read in this whole year.

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>>383316195
No it's a dick sucking contest between ninteniggers and cucked 3 faggots.

No Man's Sky is about twenty gorillion times larger than that. Best game ever confirmed.

>>383316567
>i-it's just bait
right. you'd trip and hit your head trying to criticize it anyways.

Witcher's not that big.

At least it doesn't feel that big. You're map's off OP. Skellige's bigger than Velen/Novigrad, and White Orchard is a bit smaller. Skellige's mostly water too.

>>383313291
only faggots play that shit game

>>383313291
>70% water
>an entire continent is empty for no reason
>Australia, NA and SA are just shitty copies of the starting area
>none of the African quests make any sense
>only one quest giver in the china region
>shit land forms (A FUCKING BOOT, SA and Africa fitting together)

>>383311572
I'm still laughing at you retards who thought the world would actually be that big.

How big is Ghost Recon Wildlands? It is impressive in-game.

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>>383310384
Step aside chumps

>>383316119
i fucked ur mom kid

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>>383316915

>Says its not a RPG even though it obviously is
>Simplistic action game having more mechanics than any other game that you can name of its size
>giant world without any open-world design when its exactly the opposite.

I mean, do you even walk outside? TW3 world is pretty fucking diverse and detailed as far as the enviroments are concerned and there are lots of different NPC and designs. Fucking hell, why am I even responding to bait?

>>383317471
lol

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Is there a larger more lore developed world?

>>383308476
BotW feels huge because you run slow as shit, even when gliding its barely faster than sprinting speed

>>383317471
upvote

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>>383316669
That's a shame

>>383317580

Role-playing is about improvising a character in an improvised story with other people. It's a pretty fucking complex thing that is not descending into videogames any time soon (that's why I said it's a meaningless term, at least applied to videogames), so any time a game is called an RPG it's using some vague cloudy definition that includes stats, levels and inventory (which is in non-RPGs). Every example you could give me of Witcher's "role-playing" would be pathetic relative to actual role-playing. That's not a criticism of the game, just a point about the categorizing that /v/ doesn't like.

The game is huge, so no game with complex combat even aims for such a big one. What else even competes when you include its size? I shouldn't of said it was simplistic, I realised that on my own because there's some good depth in there, but I found the encounters with enemies to be fairly shit and just found myself just gaming their dumb AI (just like Witcher 2).

Open world design is when parts of the world reach over the open world and touch each other (such as a police chase). A bunch of little closed off singularities (sidequests) is what you would encounter in any game. To be fair, open-world is a vastly undeveloped branch of game design, and I played Witcher 3 for 3 or so hours before I died of boredom, but I doubt it has much good open world design. Filling a big world full of lootable boxes, sidequests, empty areas and mobs standing still makes me think of an MMO, not a stimulating open world. In other words, don't bait yourself too hard into thinking it's a good game.

>>383316274
Then what does make something a roleplaying game?

>>383307536
What if I don't like playing as Geralt?

>>383317471
ebig :-DDDDDDD

>>383317796
You don't even fly in the air space of half those nations.

>>383318629
>ACKTEWALY if it's not tabletop it's not real Roleplaying
Fuck off back to /tg/

>>383307536
skyrim has a billion caves, mines and ruins that are separate from the main world. not really fair to compare it to these

>>383318503
Fucking greenskins are everywhere

>>383317949
>>383318912
Thank you fellow tumbldores

>>383313291
real life is p2w and literally requires years of grinding
only morons play real life

>>383318726

Role playing proper, with other people, involves creating the characters and story and playing them out in your imagination. This involves necessary structures (dice rolls, stats, inventories), but people typically call games RPGs just for having that necessary structure. Is Mass Effect really an RPG, or a third person shooter with some extended accounting on the surface you get to manipulate?

RPGs are defined by an extensive improvised control over characters and a much bigger situation/story. The choices in vidya RPGs aren't worth a shit compared to that. You play a role in them, the difference is between a toy car and a real one. Now the word is so abused that people will tell you that a toy car and a real one are the same thing. "You drive them both anon!!!! they're both cars!!!!"

>>383319070
And yet we know they're there. What do we really know of Nirn or the worlds of Witcher and Zelda? Until the next installment to the franchise those worlds are just pangaeas.

>>383307536

I keep seeing maps like this posted but I never really understood how you even measure something like that.

>>383319462
But calling them "developed" is just a lie, we don't know anything about them other than they're there and have flags.

>>383319461
Refer to >>383319091

We talk about video games here
well, we at least don't talk about tabletop

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>>383319213
I noe rite?

>>383319091
The word "role playing game" came from table-top games. Games appropriated it but completely stripped its roleplaying guts (muh stats)

Sorry that my point couldn't safely land in your head, anon. I blame the poor landing strip.

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>>383319726
DOGGER LAND!

>>383319726
>Doggerland
What retarded game is this? Please don't tell me it's named this way because anthropomorphic dogs live there.

>>383317862
Only because maybe...uh you can go everywhere

whereas skyrim clones is just walking on flat ground

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>>383317471
upboats to the left!

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>>383320265

>>383319661
Versus the alternative where we know nothing outside of one continent and a game that is set elsewhere is a risk devs don't seem to want to take.

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>>383319461
The only way you get that kind of RP from a game is by making a large sandbox and letting between 5-10 players do their thing. Most of the time it would be players running around either pvping and/or wiping out every NPC or monster, with the rest trying to use it as a platform for ERP and a tiny percentage actually attempting to role play.

>>383319667
You're missing my point, so I refer you back to what I wrote.

If you took "RPG" out of videogame language, games would be labeled more accurately. Calling games RPGs is a practice that can be abandoned easily because there are better labels in every single case.

So-called videogame RPGs have absorbed only the table-top of roleplaying, not the greater part of the material which still sits in the imagination (this is where the complex improvisation comes in). Nothing about video-games even matches "role playing" outside of a really sleight sense, so far, so as far as I'm concerned I'm bang on.

The table-top is just the origin of more complex roleplaying, where you get to imagine a ton of shit on the fly and account for a massive swath of the game yourself. We're not close to a game that can do that, and we might never be, but if we tried to make more games like that (going beyond stats and inventory, modelling bigger dynamics of the world and your character) you'd end up with some seriously fucking interesting games.

>>383320857
>U.S. after 8 years of global warming under Trump

>>383310384
>world of warcraft
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>383319726
That map gives me a hard on. I wonder what cool shit is buried under the North Sea?

Now put Xenoblade maps up next to those. Then put some older games with shitty filler generated maps that take 5 real time days to go all the way across. Huge maps doesn't make a great game.

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Don't mind me, just being the largest map in video game history

>>383321103
Stone spearheads and atlatls

>>383308476
In games, distance is totally relative, and thus useless for making any judgments as to how "large" a game feels.
For example, racing games like Forza would naturally feel smaller than Bethesda games because you travel so much more quickly.
The player's actual speed is, of course, only one variable of many, such as the density of the world, its repetitiveness, how far into the distance you can see, if there's fast travel. etc. etc.

>>383319985
>>383320870
>If it's not the thing I call X then it can't be anything related to X
Here's a small hint for you guys
If a game is made so you can roleplay,
it's a roleplaying game
The Geralt in my game was very different from the Geralt in some of my friends games, which means we roleplayed him differently

>>383321382
So TF2 is a roleplaying game because my scout sucks, while not all do?

>>383313291
Reality has gone downhill ever since the Renaissance expansion. Combat isn't even a central feature anymore.

>>383322180
>he hasn't left the starting area
Let me guess, you just grind professions.

>>383313916
daggerfall is also procedurally generated, it doesn't count

If having a big map means a game is great, then why isn't Daggerfall the best game of all time?

>>383314578
>>amazing combat

What game are you talking about? I thought we were talking about Witcher 3.

>>383314270
actually daggerfall is tiled, not randomly generated
that doesn't make a difference in argument that daggerfield is not impressive, but it does make daggerfall "smaller"

>>383322180
What? Weren't you around for the gulf war DLC's anon? Or were you too much of a richfag to care?

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*blocks your path*

take into consideration the very vertical nature of the game world as well

>xenoblade 2 is even bigger with more emphasis on exploration

can't fucking wait

>>383321336
minecraft is much bigger

>>383322768
Jesus that's fucking tiny.

>>383322029
Nope, that's player skill not game design
Nice try though, good job continuing to not understand the point because your head is so far up your DM's ass

>>383320857
There's some promise in this idea, you could make some pretty elaborate exchanges take place between players, but it's still computer-assisted-roleplaying at that point. I say this because the meat of the roleplaying is still bound up in the imaginations of the players and not really manifesting in the game world (the game world is still a table-top relative to the roleplaying).

I can't entirely imagine a videogame that captures the crazy potential and dynamics of older role-playing-games (or, takes everything that had to be formerly imagined with a tabletop and sticks it on a screen for you)

>>383321382

What you call "roleplaying" here is roleplaying, but in a very sleight sense. Those original role-playing-games like DND went beyond wielding a character like a fork and knife, and it was because you got to imagine things with other people and make it up as you went. This flesh of roleplaying games can get so complex that you have to imagine it and have humans oversee several angles, so a computer-roleplaying game will only give you so many rails to ride on, so you can hardly press yourself into those choices like you can in a tabletop RPG.

Anons hate that I am using tabletops as an example, but I'm just trying to point out fleshy, elaborate role-playing is beyond Geralt looking different at the end of the game. If you look at my plate of food, you can see how I role-played a fork differently, but that's nothing like tabletop roleplaying, the fucking INSPIRATION for videogame RPGs.

>>383320986
>he believes in memes
PFFFT

>>383322817
double the size of witcher 3 with FAR more verticallity instead of just plains

>>383322578
daggerfall is tiled, you goddamn idiot. Nothing in the game is procedurally generated

>>383322961
I can literally make out individual features. It looks like 5 wow zones.

>>383322945
>Tabletop roleplaying where literally everything is inside your head is higher intensity roleplaying than a video game that was made by other people
Gee whiz mister, tell me some more stuff that's totally not obvious

The existence of Everest does not disqualify Kilimanjaro from being a mountain

>>383323062
you're right, my bad. Still shittly made

>>383322775
t. autist

>>383322768
yeah its big and it looks nice but it feels so dead
wild monsters always spawning at the exact same spot
item pickups are all just generic crystals laying on the ground that you vacuum up
can't interact with plants/trees
after playing botw its hard to go back to that map

>>383317471
Witchercucks BTFO

>>383323146
Yeah but the existence of an apple does disqualify oranges from being them.

>>383307536
Op, if you think giant maps automatically means better game then you will fucking LOVE Daggerfall! I believe it is still the largest map to date.

With that said though you logic is fucking stupid though and not everyone have a map size fetish.

>>383323136
I suggest playing the game if you want to experience one of the best exploration in gaming

>>383323194
when did this "the world needs interactivity to be good" meme start? I know it's not with BotW because it was parroted before it. Mira is master-crafted with the idea behind exploration and content, not lighting trees and shit on fire

>>383322768
XBC is pretty small it's smaller than Skyrim when you don't count verticality and only slightly bigger if you do. Should have posted XBX

>>383319441
>real life is p2w
No it's not. A p2w game is one where you can use real currency earned outside of the game to purchase power. All wealth in real life is obtained in real life, there's nothing you can spend that you earned outside of real life to gain an advantage.

>>383323431
seriously consider seeing an optometrist

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This is the biggest game world

>IT'S NOT ROLEPLAYING UNLESS YOU USE PEN AND PAPER REEEEE

the absolute state of /v/

>>383323578
Daggerfall was already posted, see >>383321336

>>383323430
>opinions = memes
maybe its time to get off the internet for awhile
Mira is like Disney World, it has a fresh coat of paint and it looks great, but once you realize all the rocks are fake and most of the buildings are dummies, it loses its charm

>>383323430
Name a single other game with a chemistry engine so fine-tuned that you can light grass on fire, have that fire kill a wolf, which drops meat, take the meat, proceed to take out wood and drop it on the fire, have it catch alight with a campfire, then let that fire persist and warm up your temperature, then put a piece of meat next to it and have it dynamically change state into a cooked piece of meat that you can eat to recover even more health than it would have normally.

Nice job though, trying to hand wave that with "just lighting trees on fire and shit on fire lol". BotW has a living, breathing world. Its map size is only part of it, more important are the environmental, climate-influenced and chemical interactions that make it come alive. Who the fuck cares if your generic levelling RPG number 502251 has a bigger map?

>>383323824

Doesn't count because it's fake

>>383323146
If you think Everest and Kilimanjaro are reference points for a cRPG versus a real RPG, well, lol. It's more like mountain versus a molehill, even moreso if you're a particularly imaginative role-player. This also isn't just a difference in degrees, this is two different worlds of game mechanics and roleplaying, and one is the degenerated bad-copy of the other as far as actual role-playing goes (but hey, I still like them). Gee whiz smartass, how hard is that to grasp?

>>383324180
I think your anti-sony posting device is malfunctioning, I love BotW I just don't think you need interactivity to have a good world (Xenoblade X)

>>383322282
Professions are the only part of that game that still have any depth. Exploration, discovery, and many other important gameplay aspects have all been ridiculously simplified. It's not even the same game anymore.

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>>383307536
Man I sure fucking LOVE exploring empty goddamn space.
OPEN WORLD
FREEDOM
CHOICE
AMERICA

>>383324071
like I said you don't need interactivity. The way Mira is designed emphasizes exploration/level design, not microinteractions with the environment. If you believe otherwise that's fine but you're discounting many quality games based off that arbitrary rubric

>>383323328
>What you call "roleplaying" here is roleplaying, but in a very sleight sense
Those are your words
at least I think, I can't tell if I'm arguing with two people or one

>>383323772

As it is, pen and paper can give way to a bigger role-playing space because you can make a more colourful, unique impression with pen and paper than you can pressin' buttons on dialogue options. A real videogame RPG would beat out absolutely any tabletop and videogame, but as far as roleplaying games go, tabletop STILL has more roleplaying. I pity you miserable kids who can't grasp something so insanely simple.

>>383324294
It's like you don't understand the argument we're having at all
Let me recap
>Hurr durr TW3 is not an RPG
>Yes it is
>Blurga blah blah Vidya cannot be roleplaying
>Yes it can
>Murna burna boo even though you're right I'm gonna move my goalposts

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>>383307536
>Witcher 3
>Only 135 km/2

Top zozzle.

>>383324514
Don't get me wrong, I mostly like XCX, but I don't see how its map did anything groundbreaking that WoW didn't do years ago

>>383321336
>procedurally generated
it's shit :^)

>>383325182
no one said the map was groundbreaking, it's just EXTREMELY well made

>>383325214
>procedural meme
good job faggot

>>383325182
>it has to be innovative to be good

>>383323431
get ur eyes checked bud

>>383325525
again, never said it was a bad game or a bad map, I just don't love it all that much
but it does have to be innovative to be great

>>383325710
>but it does have to be innovative to be great

highly disagree with that, innovations are important historically but rarely does the first of an innovation be the greatest as it is build upon by other games

>>383325834
I'm also not saying that innovation = instant masterpiece, or that the innovation has to be a major upheaval of a genre, but when a game can be innovative and also really good at what it does, instant classic

>>383323521
> he still has his soul
fucking retard

>>383312894
irrelevant next expansion when the entire ocean becomes playable area

>>383326304
>delusional
They will make a few water zones that you can teleport to.

>>383311703
Dark Souls 3

>>383324914

It's an interesting point I'm making and it's actually very clear every step of the way, I'm sorry you've been forced to author greentext like a dipshit.

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>>383307536

>map size = direct correlation to greatness

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best game of all time coming through

>>383311703
Xenoblade X in all categories except story and graphics

I never got around to checking out the bottom right corner of the witcher map with what looked like some sort of camp. What's actually there?

>>383327102
loli whore house

>>383307536
Bigger maps is actually a bad thing. Sadly it'll be a while until the industry comes to that conclusion.

>>383326840
You should be sorry, you're the one who forced me into it

You've admitted yourself that TW3 is roleplaying, however light you consider it to be
Nobody ever claimed it was at the same level as tabletop stuff, your autism just can't seem to let you accept that traditional roleplaying and Vidya roleplaying are different things
One is based around roleplaying from scratch and the other is based around roleplaying within predefined limits
Have you never played a pre-built module? Have you never had a railroading DM? Are tabletop games like these examples not roleplaying because you're getting direction from outside sources?

TW3 is an RPG
RPGs exist as video games
Fucking deal with it

>>383327245
No they aren't. Empty maps are a bad thing. A huge, dense map would be fine.