How can there be a prosecutor who never lost a case? Sometimes

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>>383276131
he picks the right clients

I guess in some countries prosecutors actually get to choose who to prosecute or who not to prosecute. But yeah, I get it. Every prosecutor in the Phoenix Wright series has this "I've never been beaten" meme and it does get old.

>>383276131
Ace attorney has basically always gone by make-believe rules. Every character would have been held in contempt of court at least once during a game in the real irl.

Law in Japan is super different than in America and even AA plays it up beyond that, quite a bit is lost in translation.

I never took it so seriously, if I wanted the real deal I'd just go watch some primetime drama.

>>383276131
That's because he never prosecuted before, so that technically means he never lost.

>>383276740
/thread

Japan has a 99% conviction rate. Over there it's assumed that if you're put on trial, you must be guilty. Thus a character like Phoenix who actually has innocent clients is novel over there.

>>383276131
In that character's case it's explained about 20 seconds later.

On a more serious note, Edgeworth used forged evidence in 1-5 and just moped about in Europe for a bit until he felt like coming back. Phoenix used forged evidence in AJ's shitty flashback case and was kicked out of the profession on the fucking spot.

The legal system in Ace Attorney is complete shit.

>>383276131
>Sometimes people are proveable innocent
>proveable

Doesn't that need to read "provably"?

>>383277565
>Edgeworth used forged evidence in 1-5 and just moped about in Europe for a bit until he felt like coming back.

No longer canon when he returns in JFA.

In Japan, you're guilty until proven otherwise.

>>383278634
>No longer canon
1-5 was written after the trilogy. The writers knew what they were doing when they stuck it at the end of AA1, it takes place between the end of that game and before Edgeworth 'dies'.

>>383278968
I know.

But that very fact that it wasn't in the original means that 1-5 never happened.

And even if it did, Edgeworth not getting in trouble for using forged evidence is because he had connections unlike Phoenix.

>>383279168
1-5 IS canon, faggot.

>>383278634
>>383278968
>>383279168
They updated the script in the Trilogy (at least the 3DS one) to reference 1-5 in 2-3, so it's very much canon now.

>>383279168
>unlike Phoenix
His notboyfriend is the Chief Prosecutor and atleast in DD he's treated as a celebrity, how could he not have connections?

>>383276131
If I play 1 game and win, then I've never lost that game, anon.

I'd guess Godot would've had to win 20-50+ cases to actually gain fame, so it's still possible even if the cases were 50/50.

>>383276131
In those cases it never goes to trial. Instead they just get kicked out of jail and back on the streets, no prosecution needed.

>>383279331
Assuming >>383279393 is right about the script in the trilogy being updated, go play JFA right now and see for yourself Phoenix saying Edgeworth left because of his "petty perfect record".

Honestly seeing that again after 1-5 was just stupid.

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>>383279519
They hadn't thought of that yet by AJ (probably) to be fair.

That being said, in the first game alone Phoenix nails an extremely powerful information broker, a famous producer who had ties to the mob, and the most succesful and influential prosecutor around. It is a bit weird that isn't more influential than he is (though the games sorta run on that underdog feel I suppose)

>>383279168
I guess Ema isn't canon, and therefore the Apollo trilogy isn't either.

>>383281998
Well I know her sister Lana isn't.

>>383276131
He could have come to many compromises on his cases. If your client is looking at death and you get him life you technically didn't lose.

>>383276131
>This really breaks immersion.

Thats because it was parodying japanese law more so than american law. Since the way the nip law system worked at the time, though supposedly its gotten a tad better since then, prosecutors or prosecuted shit they though would be a slam dunk and such and was and unquestioned matter of pride as to how few cases they would lose. Since stuff kind work as guilty until proven innocent kind of way. And since it was thought of that by many then it meant that a bit of stigma happened that made seem more so like one is prosecuting an guilty person trying to get off instead of the whole supposed trying to find the truth and from the truth proper guilt would found accordingly.

So yeah that part about prosecutors never losing or never having lost is a bit of an immersion breaker in countries which had a bit more fair idea as to how trials should or do work instead of court system that initially influenced and had a game built around it.

>>383278602
Probably

>>383276131
Don't they also claim that Mia Fey has never lost a case?
So presumably they've never been against each other.

>>383276131
Von Karma managed to stay undefeated for 40(?) years by manipulating evidence and testimonies and intimidating witnesses. You play dirty.

>>383283746
They haven't faced each other, no.
But the reason he hasn't lost a single case is because the case from OP pic is his first case ever.
If it's his first time, he hasn't lost a single time

I've played the first two games and I really don't understand why people enjoy this series. The "gameplay" is terrible both during investigation and in court, and if you try to look past it you're left with a poorly written VN about anime characters in a nonsensical legal system. I didn't find any of the characters likeable or interesting even though they mostly look cool and memorable

>>383285540
That's quite unfortunate for you.

>>383279393
Prove it nigger

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>>383287813
you are MY nigger
Didn't think they'd ever "fix" this because it was annoying

>>383287813
Now post the part when Edgeworth returns.

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>>383288398
They also added this, which I thought was pretty neat way to acknowledge the fans.

>>383283746
Mia Fey is known to have lost a case in the case previous to this one

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And here is Phoenix and Maya at an All American Diner eating cheeseburgers and french fries. The classic American Lunch.

>>383285063
That's the weird thing about it, though.

Atmey literally told you at the end of the first investigation day of 3-2 a whole bunch of bullshit about how Edgeworth acknowledged Godot as the best Prosecutor in the country and how he was literally Godly at what he does. And then we find out that none of that was true.

I mean, it WAS Atmey saying this, but still...

>>383290131
>I mean, it WAS Atmey saying this, but still...
That's the joke, Anon; he's full of shit.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoHe1rB_las

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>>383289926
I thought there was no verdict, for obvious reason.

>>383290437
I thought I was talking to someone who didn't know their shit
Yeah, I just think Mia would never consider that anything but a defeat
Isn't that why she's motivated to defend Phoenix?

>>383289796
>boot to the head

I feel like I have read that in a different game a while ago.

>>383276131
Godot had never had a case before

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Underrated girl.

>>383291196
She's shit.

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>>383290847
What the hell is that weebshit?

>>383291501
She's adorable.

>>383291196
>>383291750
She was pretty horrible to Gumshoe in Recipe for a Turnabout, but I agree.

>>383289531
>that sameface

>>383283412
Even in American law, prosecutors often pick and choose what they prosecute. This is why it's so important that police come up with a sufficient case against someone to actually take it to trial. Basically if it's not a slam dunk most prosecutors will tell the police to fuck off and make a better case.

The way it really differs from American law is that in America prosecutors are typically the good guys in criminal cases while the defense is usually defending Tyrone for being a gud boi who dindu nuffin. It's every other type of case that's up for debate on who the good guy is.

In Japan it's also usually up for debate, but the law heavily skews towards the prosecution regardless of the defendant's actual guilt.

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>>383291749
>That Minions shirt

>>383276131
You can choose to take only sure-fire cases.

>>383276382
I think only the first three games did that? Klavier was just "sup, yeah I'm the prosecutor" and for Simon I feel like they just introduced him as a really dangerous prosecutor who used psychology to turn the tides to his favor. I forgot if Nahyuta was introduced that way. And if you want to include them, Barnham and Darklaw are simply fearsome opponents in Labyrinthia.

>>383292576
Fucking why
Why the fuck does this exist
Whyyyyyyyyyy

>>383285540
Because of the characters and overall aesthetics. If you don't find the visuals charming, the characters endearing and the music and tension engaging then there's really nothing here for you.

>>383292576
Why did I click this? I mean I know the Phoenix Wright games have a large gay fanbase. But fucking hell.

>>383276131
Because this is his first case, dumbass

>>383290847
>Pearl laying on Phoenix's lap
I want this.

>>383293283
What did you expect out of "delicious maya ecchi"?

>>383276131
Fantasy law is always different then real law because real law is boring as fuck.

Even in movies and TV shows the only time I can think of where law is treated more or less realistically is in Better Call Saul

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Admit it, you would.

>>383293661
My Cousin Vinny as well.

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>>383276131
Japan has a 99% conviction rate.
It's really fucked up actually.

>Unbroken records is what breaks OP's immersion
>In a game where animals go up to the witness stand

>>383294739
Hey that parrot saw everything.

Working as assistant to a public defender in Brazil, I can assure you it's incredibly easy for a prosecutor to win every time for 20+ years if he's prosecuting poor people.

>>383294986
>public defender
This must be the worst fucking job. Especially in Brazil of all places. 99% of the time you're defending the most worthless scum of the Earth.

>>383276230
Don't you mean the Wright clients?

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>>383295406
You know for all the whipping and dominance posturing, Franny is probably a sub.

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>>383291196
Did my boy Gumshoe ever get to smash?

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So we ever getting DGS? I know Capcom think games without Phoenix as the star sell (which is debatable when people tend to shit on Apollo, Athena, etc a lot) but you play as his ancestor which is close.

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>>383292576
>We get shit like this over good Ema/Maya/Franziska porn

>>383295513
It's pretty obvious that all that bravado she has is just overcompensation especially by the end of Justice for All. She's definitely matured though, even if just a bit. I really wonder what Franny in her late 20s would be like. Would she still go around whipping everyone or would she finally calm the fuck down?

>>383296193
Phoenix wasn't advertised as the star of AJ
DD was advertised as having multipe protags and him & Apollo get roughly equal focus in it outside of the DLC, Athena's the only one they push hard
SoJ was advertised as having joint protagonists

Capcom doesn't push the series in the west because it doesn't sell that well (by their standards), that's all. Spin-offs sell less than mainline even in Japan, DGS probably isn't seen as viable over here.

>>383295089

Yeah man, it's as bad as you imagine.

>>383294674
A conviction rate is not necessarily an indicator of something running afoul.

It may simply be a prosecutor that only starts a trial, when he has absolutely no doubt with regard to the guilt of the suspect.
I don't know how this works in other countries, but in Germany prosecutors are technically supposed to be absolutely neutral. They are supposed to look for evidence towards the guilt of the suspect as well as for evidence towards the innocence of the suspect.

>>383276131

Defendants in Japan are prosecuted at a 99.9% conviction rate. It's entirely conceivable to never lose a case as a prosecutor there.

Although it helps that there's barely any crime in Japan, and when people do get charged it's almost aways the right guy due to the crazy high burden of proof.

>>383298405
I ain't japanese, but I'm pretty sure their juries being unable to render a not guilty verdict is a recurring theme in their politics.
That and figuring out ways to up the birthrate.

>>383298660
Does Japan even have juries?

I thought that was mostly an US thing.

>>383298660
>>383298754
Japan has no Jury. They tried to implement it around the time AJ came out but it failed. That's why DD dropped it. This fact is in almost every AA thread I'm surprised it isn't common knowledge.

>>383276425
this
if Discovery existed in the Ace Attorney world none of this shit would happen
but that would ruin the exciting feeling of nailing a witness down and feeding them their own lies through their asshole

The implication really is that they found innocent people guilty.

Edgeworth and Von Karmas were depicted as being in the wrong because of their perfect records.

And if you haven't figured it out yet the legal system in Phoenix Wright is fucked, there is no presumption of innocence/reasonable doubt.

How did the Von Karmas get a perfect record in America (burger localization fags get out reeeee) despite the fact their methods would probably not fucking fly?

>>383296193
DGS2 is releasing soon in Japan so they're already 2 games behind. With the 3DS liekly ding by the end of 2018 there's no fucking way they'll ever bring them over. The only chance is if we get a re-release on Switch but that has to exist in the first place.

At least the fan translation is coming along.

>>383299706
because even if we assume it is in america it's in some sort of alternate history where they use japan's legal system

>>383299863
>Even in the real version of AA Japanifornia exists

>>383299706
>implying other country's legal systems aren't just as fucked as Japanfornia's.

>>383292989
>Nahyuta

You gotta remember that in his country, lawyers are pretty much banned. So he can be considered "unbeatable" because he literally has no one to beat him.

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They did NOTHING wrong.

>>383299987
America's and Japan's legal system is fucked for completely different reasons.

>>383300120
they are all fucking scum and I hope they burn in hell.

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>>383300120
imagine actually believing this

>>383300120
Is there a single person there who didn't do something wrong?

>>383292989
Nahyuta's introduced as just some bigshot international prosecutor, not the latest undefeated prosecutor.

Nahyuta's kind of a shit anyway.

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>>383300168
I mean yeah but it's like the series sticks to real world conventions.

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>>383300363
Thalassa.

>>383298608
"""""""""""""""""""""barely""""""""""""""""""""""""" any crime, you mean

>>383294739
>In a game where animals go up to the witness stand

http://www.thefrisky.com/2016-06-06/5-times-animals-served-as-witnesses-in-criminal-cases-from-talkative-parrots-to-blood-stained-cats/

>>383300390
I know there's the gif of Godot hitting Dahlia. Is there anymore?

>>383300536
>AJ
>Phoenix, I think we should tell Apollo and Trucy they are related.
>DD
>Thalassa, I think it's time we tell Apollo and Trucy they are related.
>SoJ
>Seriously we should do it now.
>AA7
>Do you want to tell them before or after the wedding?

rayfa a cute

>>383300868
I think it's never going to happen desu

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>>383300884
Yes my daughter is very cute.

>>383300868
Apollo fucked off to Khura'in, bit late by this point.

>>383300868
They're gonna tell Trucy, which will make her want to go see Apollo, she'll get caught up in a murder and then Apollo will defend her and she will tell him at the end of the case right before he's about to confess his feelings.

>>383301104
jej

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>>383301208
>implying Trucy isn't going to sneak off there too
She already snuck into Edgeworth's suitcase to do it.

>>383301104
this is the fucking best aa gif

>>383301446
>implying sending him to khura'in wasn't just a way of finally disposing of him because he's not needed when phoenix isn't a bum

>>383300390
Haha, Nick hit Apollo hard with that LADDER

>>383301602
>not needed
Hey now, Apollo proved he was competent enough by saving the office in 6-2. He's way more needed compared to Athena.

>>383301602
yeah, sure, that's why they keep making him so important

>>383301826
Actually it's a step ladder

>>383301826
It's a stepladder

>>383301908
>>383301919
he won't be important in AA7, mark my words

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>>383301112
I want to bully Rayfa!

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PHOENIX BETTER NOT DIE A VIRGIN

>>383301602
>>383302108
If it wasn't for that Thalassa scene at the end I'd agree with you. Also Apollo's one of the most popular characters now (maybe they'll sacrifice Apollo to the fujos in Phoenix's place so that he can finally just settle down already)

>>383302186
he's not.

>>383302186
He is

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>>383302186
>Phoenix recruits some unknown fresh out of law school
>and is insanely fucking protective over her during the entirety of DD
>is never on toilet cleaning duty
Clearly a case of sleeping with the boss going on here.

>>383302767
Eh, a large part of that was her relevance to the Blackquill thing, which his best buddy Edgeworth had asked him to work on.

>>383302767
>he'll fuck athena but not maya
Gay.

>>383276131
Here is how the legal system works in Japan
>Guilty until proven innocent
>prosecutors can have it very easy to prove someone guilty.

>>383302767
>is never on toilet cleaning duty
She is now that Apollo is gone

>>383302767
You have no idea how much it pisses me off that he has more of a father-daughter relationship with Athena than he does with Trucy.

>>383300390
>>383301104
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywzFpZKhxIY

>>383276131
The prosecution rate in japan is well over 99%.
This isn't just some persona 5 factoid either, a quick google shows the reality of it.

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>>383303026
>prove client guilty beyond all reasonable doubt
>but can't identify the actual culprit so client is found guilty anyway
It's a weird hangup of how this series' gameplay works

>>383299861
I thought Capcom shut down the fan translation

>>383303736
I don't think so. I played their demo a few months back

>>383303736
They shoahed a Youtube playthrough with subtitles, not actual fan translation.

>>383300120
All of the Gramaryes are assholes, with Zak and Magnifi being at the top. Even Trucy has her moments. Apollo too.

>>383276131
I actually recently was watching one case in the courtroom and prosecutor lady was like chill "yeah, no objections", like, dude who didn't want to go to jail had good reasons etc.

And I just imagined if Miles Edgeworth was on that case and was like HABJECTION EVERYONE MUST BE GUILTY and going apeshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TujEf4aSK9o

>>383303916
Fucking Christ, why though?

>>383303650
So OJ would've been declared guilty in AA?

>>383304131
Because they uploaded game footage to youtube. Jap companies are behind the times and think that they can still stop let's plays.

>>383276131
With some of them especially prosecutors like Manfred von Karma is very clear they achieved their 100% conviction rate by doing things like doctoring evidence and innocent people were convicted. You really have to take some of it with a grain of salt applying real world logic to the series makes it seem stupid as fuck.

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>tfw no /ss/ doujin of Cammy being groped and molested by a boy while she's sleeping

>>383300120

Why does even the series itself act like they're nice people?

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>>383304824
>pretending to be sleeping

>>383304939
It doesn't. To the public they are, but the games make sure to let you know that they're fucking scum. Except Thalassa, of course.

>>383303650
>>prove client guilty beyond all reasonable doubt
Wow you suck Nick.

>>383305002
Even better

I liked that one Touhou doujin too.

Anyone else get an uncontrollable boner whenever they see Franziska in those Japanese youtube parodies where she's dancing? Just seeing her reduced to some moe kawaii waifu does weird things to me.

>>383305853
no

Why exactly why Zak was an asshole again? I really don't remember much from AJ.

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Could Phoenix beat Matlock?

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What's his fucking problem?

>>383302264
>(maybe they'll sacrifice Apollo to the fujos in Phoenix's place so that he can finally just settle down already)
Sure. And Phoenix'll learn to play the piano, too.

>>383306182
Runs in the family.

>>383306385
Are you sure this isn't some Ace Attorney Online screecap? I don't remember this at all.

>>383306182
There is no reason. He's just a natural asshole

>>383300536
Did you forget all about Turnabout Serenade? I can't blame you.

>>383296845
She'd probably upgrade to something like a traumatic pistol and only use it sparingly. About as calm as Edgeworth was in the original trilogy, but once you spark her you get a plastic ball right in the nads. 20-something Franny would be really cute when frustrated.

>>383306545
I can tell it's not because it's not in all caps and featuring profanity in every other word

>>383276131
any legal system that has juries is shit. instead of having your case decided upon by a professional, impartial, jurist who can't be tricked or swayed by retarded arguments, you get a bunch of literal whos, dunces who decide based on their feelings

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>>383276131
Press A a few times and he literally explains it away for you.

>>383306545
AO has a different font.

>>383304648
Frankly prosecution has such an advantage that I would believe none of them need to cheat to maintain a 100% conviction rate.
Judges have to compulsory hand down a guilty conviction at the end of the 3rd day of trial unless there was a rare qualifying circumstance.
There is no appeals system to amend passed sentences or refute mistrials.
These trials are so rushed the cops still have fucking crime scene investigations going on during the trails. Meaning people are still collecting evidence when the prosecutor uses maybe two day's worth of investigation trying to use their fallguy.
Everything prosecutors say is the operating understanding of the judge; even with clear contradictions to their earlier facts and theories, and as long as their imagination is sufficient to win an argument with the defense attorney; then they prevail.
Prosecutors can withhold evidence and it's absolutely legal, worse they don't have any obligation to disclose to the defense their intended evidence, and provide no opportunity to scrutinize in US's 'discovery' procedure. Even if it turns out to be false or irrelevant; the introduction with the allegation of the prosecutor are often the only details in the court documents.
Hell I'm shocked there even are defense attorneys. Nick needs divination magic and the testimony of the dead to win most of his cases.

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>>383306545
AO's font looks like this