I don't get this shit. The second half of the game feels

Everything after Anor Londo was rushed to hell.

Maybe they should have git gud at making games.

>>383256590
I don't think the second half is utter garbage, but the first half is so well designed that the drop in quality becomes far more noticeable

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I liked Duke's Archives and the DLC a lot. Really only disliked Lost Izalith.

>people shit on DS3 for being too linear yet people like the linear part of DS1 the best
Really makes you think.

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>>383256590
Nah, only 4cucks sucks pretty hard.
Otherwise, second half isn't THAT bad.

>>383256590
>The second half was trash meme
Lost Izalith is the only really bad area in the game. The slight drop in quality is noticeable, yes, but the later levels are still good and perfectly playable for the most part.

The duke's archives is great.

>>383257285
The first part of DS is not linear at all you stupid retad

>>383256590
Catacombs is well designed and one of my fav areas.

>>383257323
Ice Caverns is also fucking shit. Just awful level design.

>>383257285
>first half of DS1
>linear
Nani?

>>383257508
Yes it is. You go from one place to the next and it is always obvious where you should go next.

>>383257605
you can access the catacombs early game so it doesn't really count. it's still part of the initial main hub of the game

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Why are Chaos Witches so hot?

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>dark souls after Anor Londo

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>>383257850
>dark souls after sen's fortress

Anor londo was also disappointing as hell

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>>383257970
>DARK SOULS

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>>383258101
>GAME

>>383257731
The very start of it is essentially very linear, as without the master key a first time player has no reason to do anything but go up to fight the Taurus Demon unless they're so much of an autistic fucker that they actually go down and decide to kill Ingward. But once you get the the forest the game becomes incredibly non-linear

>>383257797
Graveyard maybe, not the Catacombs.

>>383256590
This is why DaS, despite being as great as it is, falls behind Bloodborne, the only game in the entire collection of games that feels done and dusted in perfect execution from start to finish.

The start of the game is also entirely different to where you end up at the end. It's a greater thematic ride. You started out thinking thts was your typical lycan victorian romp, and then it goes full blown cosmic insanity on you.

The entire descent through the forest, killing Rom and then arriving at The One Reborn is in a single stretch some of the most memorable gaming in years for me.

>>383257970
This too. You get this whole city that you cant explore at all and you're forced to go through a single path through the whole thing.

>>383258310
git gud

Only Crystal Caves and Demon's Ruins / Lost Izalith are bad. Duke's Archives, New Londo and Tomb Of the Giants are better than Anor Londo.

>>383257970
This. You can literally see where the game drops in quality after you beat the Iron Golem and the path to Anor Londo turns out to be a sealed door that you get around with a cutscene.

>>383257731
Oh damn, sounds like literally any video game ever created! One place to the next!!

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>>383257302
sucks, as in literally? All of my want.

Is the second half of Dark Souls the Dark Souls of Dark Souls?

>>383257075
I think so too, people overstate the flaws of the second half all the time. I thought New Londo was really good, and Duke's Archives and TotG were pretty decent too, only Lost Izalith was garbage and even then not as unsalvageable as some people tend to say.

>>383256590
Second most overrated series after MGS

>>383256590
Nice meme bro. Ebin!

>>383256590
I fixed the game for myself by pretending that S&O are the final boss and titties my reward.

>>383258281
Not anymore than DS3. You have some branching paths but that's the same as DS3.

>>383258786
That's my point. DS3 is a good game and DS1 is about as linear as DS3 in the beginning.

>>383256590
that applies to every soulsborne game. from can only design half a game

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>want to replay das1
>remember those black knight archers on anor londo

>>383259576
Yeah New Londo is fine, I usually do it pre Lord Vessel anyway. I'm not really a fan of TOTG, the darkness makes the area seem far bigger than it actually is. Dukes Archives is kind of just there and I generally don't bother with Izalith

>>383256590
Yeah I was really enjoying it up until after I beat Anor Londo, then my interest was almost immediately killed. Still need to beat it though.

>>383256590
>Dat final battle with Gwyn.
>Hole-lee fuck.

Janky ass shit.

I need to git gud.

>>383260162
>You have some branching paths

No, its way more than branching paths, if you can access the forest then you can to shit crazy out of order.

>>383260591
>the darkness makes the area seem far bigger than it actually is
True but the darkness is the whole main feature of the place. It can get really nerve wracking the first time you go there, but on repeat playthroughs the novelty is gone.

>>383258302
You can go there since the beggining of the game so it still counts as pre-Lordvessel. But like 90% of first time players won't go there before Anor Londo so I dunno.

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>>383257849
The witches from DS2 are even hotter.

>>383258652
>Duke's Archives
>better than Anor Londo
Place is a total pain in the ass not to mention bland as fuck.

>>383260789
Not to mention all the optional shit you can do even before the second half. The only areas that you absolutely have to do after Anor Londo are TotG, Duke's and Izalith. Everything else you can sequence break your way into.

>>383256590
DUDE
>smokes blunt*
WEED
>plays Normiewatch*
IS
>whines about dark souls being hard, can't git gud*
AWESOME

Go fuck yourself

>>383260580
They're not that bad anon, you just have to see where they are and think about their firing angles. Or just rush one of them, they don't respawn so once you kill one the other is easy.

>>383257285
There are 7 different bosses that can end up being your first boss. Play the game before you talk about it idiot.

>>383261429
You can do that in Dark Souls III. It doesn't mean most people will.

>>383261501
>Doesn't think Dark Souls is normie

>>383261558
Lol okay. Cause most people will fight the four kings first and not being able to do that would totally ruin the game!

>>383261558
Like I said before, that's technically true, but almost everyone will have Taurus as their first boss. It's only after that and once you're reached Andre that game really opens up sans master key.

>>383257731
There's like 6 bosses you can choose to fight when you arrive at Firelink. Have you never chosen the master key?
Do you think OoT is linear because there's a path the game wants you to take?

>>383260580

>Hold up shield with 100 physical resistance
>Run straight into the face of the archer on the right, lowering shield between shots to regen stamina faster
>Kick his ass off the ledge while he switches weapons

I've never understood why people have trouble with them, really.

>>383261876
Yes. If you can rank the bosses with an obvious difficulty that is basically linear.

>>383261781
>what is replayability

>>383260751

Gwyn is one of the easiest bosses in the game.

>>383257970
B-but anor londo is the best part of the game!

>>383257850
I thought this was just a meme but I'm replaying DaS right now and I really don't want to go on after I just got the lordvessel.

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>>383256590
>designed by amateurs.
what
but at least not rubbish heap

>>383260751
I defeated him to the 5th attempt just after changing to the armor of havel and the halberd of the black knight

Quite disappointing

>>383261781
>>383261861
How does it matter what most people do? The advantage of being able to do things in the order you want, get the items you want for your character, and mix up replaythroughs is there whether most people take advantage of it or not.

>>383261501
OP isn't even whining about dark souls being hard you stupid nigger. Learn to read.

>>383261959
Okay well you can access consumed king and lothric castle early in DSIII so it isn't much different.

>>383261921
Because retard

There's 2 of them and the one behind you will shoot your back

>>383260580
>replay dark souls last week
>get to anor londo
>vietnam flashbacks of archers
>make the run up in one go and shield
>archer falls off on his own
They aren't that bad

>>383262359
Cause most people just use "I-It's too linear!" as a meme argument against DSIII.

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>>383261501
>Souls cucks being autistic

Typical.

>>383262359
>How does it matter what most people do?

Because having meaningful reason to explore on your first playthrough is hella important.

>>383262416
It is different

one of them let's you have 7 different first bosses

You mention 2 bosses that can't be first bosses

>>383261958
It's not by any definition linear when you have all these options. Also, difficulty is decided by the individual. If they think Quelaag is a pushover and they don't want to deal with the Depths and Capra, then they'll go to her first.

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>Start playing DaS1 again
>Get to Blighttown

>>383262578
What the fuck difference does that make? By that logic Demon's souls is the best game because it has 15 3rd bosses to choose from. You know the consequence of that? Demon's Souls was super easy because every boss is viable and that means after you beat 1/4th of the game you can easily take on any enemy.

>>383262416
It's one side path versus a bunch of interconnected paths. I defeat Dancer early to get chunks but I don't bother going on because the full path isn't even unlocked at that point in the game.

>>383262634
I will still forever be pissed off that Blighttown isn't a proper shanty town with huts and more than one NPC in a bog outside the main walls.

>>383262634
>not getting the master key to skip almost all of blighttown
I went through it once, never again

on another note, I wish Grant was good

>>383262634
It's my favorite level actually

>>383256590

I keep reading this on /v/, and I am not sure I get it.
When I think about playing DaS again, what I dread the most if having to trudge to the boring ass start. There's nothing more painfully boring than going through areas like Blighttown or the sewers.
And I want to cut my wrists every time I have to drag myself through Sen's garbage funhouse of gitgudatiframes.
And boy I sure enjoy the retarded walk through the catacombs of random pit falls you can't get back from! So fun!

Game only honestly picks up in Anor Londo and on.

>>383256590
I hate when people generalize "the second half of the game" as being all bad. It was only the Demon Ruins and Lost Izalith that were bad, everything else is solid.

>>383262634
Just go through the valley of the drakes, I skipped the sewer entirely when I play last time

>>383262598
>being able to skip bosses and areas completely is a good thing
Isn't that just casual? Unless they go back and fight them but how many actually do that? If you want to go through the depths it is better to enter through undeadburg. Hell I am pretty sure you HAVE to because of all the holes you fall through.

>>383263047
When the fuck do you need to know how to use Iframes in Sen's Funhouse ? The main issue I always have in Sen's Fortress is how much defense the snakes have, a +5 weapon doesn't do shit to them and you can only have two or three big titanites at this point in the game unless you got lucky on drops. Most of Blighttown and the Depths can be skipped, and who does the catacombs before Anor Londo unless you want to gravelord sword anyway

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>>383261141
They're alright, their set looks a lot better in DaS3 though. Namely because the female models don't have manshoulders. Still Chaos Witches > Desert Sorceresses

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>>383262870
>tfw The Gutter was once supposed to be exactly that

>>383262870

That's because it's just meant to be the Valley of the Defiled all over again.
Which is one thing I will never understand.
People give shit to DS3 about "guys remember Dark Souls 1?!!", but literally, absolutely, every single thing in DS1 is just "lol remember Demon's Souls?!", from layout, to NPCs. Everything is pretty much just a reference to Demon Souls. Even the asylum demon is literally just the Vanguard again.

>>383257203
Izalith just feels so empty. There's really only one path and it's straight to the boss.

>>383257302
I actually like the 4 Kangz. That shit was trippy as fuck the first time.

>>383263234

I mean, you literally have to grab Gwyndolin's ring from the catacombs.

>>383263234
Every run of dark souls I do I get the rite of kindling first, you can also get some nice shields and rings in the catacombs for the rest of the game

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I haven't beaten Four Kings, Nito, Witch of Izalith, or gay crystal dragon. Every save I have I just kind of don't feel like playing after Anor Londo.

>>383263539
Oh, right. I never really bothered and often go back to kill Gwyndolin after doing Nito anyway
>>383263636
I almost always just use Ring of Favor + Havel since I'm a sucker for fat armors and don't like leather and robes, and what shields are there in the catacombs ? There's a couple smol shields you can get in the graveyard just before, and maybe the bonewheel one from the spinning spooks ?

>>383262754
Demon souls is mission/level based like Nioh

Where as Das is literally an open world, not GTA massive but still an open world

>>383263119
>Isn't that just casual?
Depends on how you think about it. Options are for experienced players. They know what they want and want to get to it quicker. I personally skip the depths because it's the most boring area in the game with the dumbest fucking boss in the game that I don't want to waste my time on.

>>383264049
the only good reason to do the depths is because gaping dragon gives 25k souls which is a bunch at this point in the game

>>383263929
Not really. If anything it is a metroidvania but even that is pushing it. It is only mildly open but mostly linear.

>>383264049
If it were any other game /v/ would call that casual.

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>>383263706

So you've never experienced the whole game, visited the most thematically interesting sections of the game like the Painted World, Oolacile, the Archives or the primal forest, your have you culminated any of the storylines for the characters' questlines or gotten any of the best spells/armors/weapons with the most fun mechanics.
Congrats, I guess.

>>383263902
I was the same way when it first came out, now whenever I go back I try to use something new. There's also the effigy shield and sanctus, and I always get the silver serpent ring for early game boost in souls

>>383264376
I've been though the Painted World, and the Archives but not Oolacile, primal forest

Not sure why you're congratulating me either, I don't feel proud or accomplished by not completing but rather conflicted I want to finish the game but some of the lord soul areas are such a drag and genuinely kill my interest in playing.

>>383264376
what the fuck is the primal forest?

The Souls series is only good during your very first playthrough of Dark 1. Once you have become familiar with the ins and outs the 1 and the sequels become a whole lot more dull. That feeling of learning how everything works, overcoming challenges which were fresh at the time, and exploration will never come back no matter how many sequels come out. You know what you're getting now apart from bullshit cheap tricks to catch veteran players out. It's a shame.

>>383264737
Even if you don't beat the game, you should definitely check out Oolacile

>>383264937
also I've never played Demon's so I can't comment on that.

>>383260580
>hide behind pillar and wait for the knight to shoot
>run up the flying buttress
>roll through the arrow he shoots next
>sit in his face and wait for him to switch to a sword and swing at you
>parry it
wow that was hard

>>383264994
I don't have the dlc so I doubt I'll see it

>>383263316
It's because they started from dark souls and never played demons so they don't know that it's a total rehash itself.

>>383263293
oh my

>>383264243
It's a 3D metroidvania. Other games do what DaS does and /v/ is okay with it.

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>>383263461
The thing is, Dark Souls has a very bleak and gritty atmosphere, and faggot animu shit like 4 gay emo angst niggers floating in some black vast cesspool utterly ruins it.

>>383257302
Hardest boss for me besides the first gargoyle. I actually liked these trippy fucks.

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>>383265219

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Best waifu did nothing wrong.

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>>383265828
You sound like /dsg/'s eternal faggot the 4kings hater that loves menas' shitty art and hated some literal who artist

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>>383257302
honestly speaking I have zero idea how could From let THIS into their game.

>>383266085
>menas' art
>shitty
wow wow ease down there buddy

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>4cucks apologists

>>383256590
am I the only one who thinks that demon ruins/lost izalith is the only bad post-londo zone? feel like i'm taking crazy pills, I have never thought the other zones were a drop in quality.

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>>383266310
menas does have shitty "art" though

>>383266472
You are like the 10th person in the thread to say this.

I honestly wish everyone who "finished the game" using sorcery or summoning died right now.

>>383260580
Just poison those fuckers

>>383262373
>>383262548
[spolier] it's a new meme [/spoiler]

>>383266529
I think it's pretty great imo, for a hobbyist.

>>383266013
god dammit B team why did you have to fuck it all up

>>383267252
Because they whole game got scrapped half way through development. I think the DLC shows what the game could have actually been like had they been given time

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>>383266067
Is Gwyndolin better for lewd or for protecting/worshipping?

Every time I make a new chacter I literally stop playing after sen fortress.

The second part is dreadfull, so bad designed and too many shit tier bosses, ariamis painting and the first half of the catacombs part are the only part enjoyable.

>>383267747
>too many shit tier bosses
correction - only 4shits. The rest are pretty fine.

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>>383265828
how can anybody seriously hate this?

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>>383267494
adoration

>>383268000
The only good ones are O&S, Gwyn, Priscilla and Gwyndolin (this last 2 are optional)

Seath, Nito, the centipide, Discharge, bed chaos, Four kings, Pinwheel and the rehashed one just fucking suck mate.

>>383258281
so it's linear unless you "are an austistic fucker" and break the linearity so you can go kill 7 different bosses and access almost half the game? Nice knowing the criteria for linearity is just arbitraty bullshit you make up.

>>383261687
You literally can't tho

>>383256590
This is just something that /v/ repeats over and over. The second half of this game is still phenomenal. Also, depending on what you do, it's really not half of the game. It's closer to the last 25% because you're familiar, leveled, and capable at this point. Dukes, Crystal Caverns, Demon Ruins, Tomb of the Giants, New Londo, and Lost Isalith are all fantastic. And Kiln of the First Flame is literally he best final area in any FROM game. And let's not forget that the DLC which is the best they've ever released is found in Duke's effectively making Kalameet, Manus, and Artorias post-Anor Londo bosses. To be honest I can't think of a better "second half" round of bosses than Nito, Artorias, Kalameet, Manus, and the Four Kings.

>>383269154
other than Priscilla's gimmick what is good about her fight

So when they remaster this will they put everything that was planned for this into the new game?

>>383271357
If they did it'd only piss people off since a bunch of the stuff that people like about Dark Souls is stuff that's only present because the game's not finished, like bonfire leveling. I'm sure Bamco's well aware of this.

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>16 hours in my first playthrough
>Fell for the Drake sword trap
>Replaced it with the virgin Halbred and upgraded it
>Finally start understanding the game
>Love the fucking Halbred even with the stumble shit
>it's finally clicking
>In darkroot garden now , finally had enough souls to open the door
>Been farming souls and shit, upgrading weapons
>I'm finally starting to get it
>Stopped looking at the guide like 8 hours in

This has been the most fun I've had playing a video game in a long time. I regret not playing this game earlier. I'm buying SOTFS once I beat this game twice. I'm hooked.

>>383272313
The zweihander is the better early weapon.

>>383272602
Betterthan the Halbred? I don't have it I haven't gone to the graveyard yet

>>383272313
Glad to hear anon! I also experience it late. Best gaming experience of my life. SOTFS is also a must play, just look at it as a Dark Souls side-story rather than a true sequel. Dark Souls three is alright but the magic from 1 & 2 are missing. After 2, go back and play demons. If you don't have a PS3, borrow one. Demon's is a lot different, it's more level based with a little more Zelda-like qualities and hidden mechanics that make it worth playing through a few times. Dark Souls is a game you can play forever though. When you start getting into NG+ SL1 runs you'll realize it's one of the best games ever made.

>>383273664
You can get that in like the first 15 minutes of the game. When you make it raw it is beastly. Although I always trade up for the black knight halberd later because it is even better.

>>383257075
>>383259576
I agree, the second half has really grown on me over subsequent playthroughs, but the first couple were a real chore to get through. It has it's quirks and positives, it's just overshadowed by such a well designed first half full of more memorable bosses and areas.

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>>383274268
I killed the Knight in the basin and he didn't drop it I was trying to get it

>>383274381
There is another in tomb of the giants that has one. There is a bonfire right by him so keep at it until you get it.

The second half sucks but it doesn't matter because the first half is still a masterpiece. It's not like the second half affects the first.

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>>383274513
>keep at it until you get it.

BKs don't respawn in DaS1 m9.

Apart from those in the Kiln.

>>383275403
No save at there and restart when you don't get it.

>>383275587
Oh whoops, never thought about doing it like that.

>>383275715
Yup wear the gold serpent ring and it makes it so much easier.

Start a new save or complete a save

So how much was actually cut from this game?

>>383276614
Souls 1 ? Izalith was rushed afaik also andre was orginally gwyns son and you could travel with priscilla

>>383276614
In DaS1's case, not really that much outside of stuff like that New Londo king, a bunch of equipment, a different way to enter the inside of Firelink Shrine and all that stuff that ended up unfinished.
Apparently you were also supposed to actually enter Anor Londo through the large door instead of the halfassed light ring.

DaS 2 on the other hand, oh boy, like half of the game.

>>383276614
I wish 4shits was cut (it was actually meant to happen once PTDE comes out) but alas nice things cannot be had.

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Why do you even need other weapons when this exists?

>>383277729
Because it's slow as fuck and uses a fourth of your stamina with every swing. Halberd for life faggot.

>>383276747
>also Solaire was originally gwyns son
FTFY

>>383277876
>Claymore
>slow
Whats your complaint about stamina use, it barely uses any stamina to one hand swing it

>>383277960
No anon, andre, that's why he looks like gwyn.

>>383278109
>1h claymore
nigga you gay

>>383262859
This, DS2 and 3 have side paths but lack the interconnectivity of DS1.

>>383277729
Because it's boring

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>>383266085
If these niggers were 4 lewd Queens I'd genuinely love them. But right now, they can all go and suck big faggot dick.

>>383256590
You mean the whole series.

Also roll roll attack.

>>383277960
That was never intended at all. In development, it was supposed to Andre, and he'd move a pillar or something like that and it'd open the Kiln. Solaire being the first born is and was always a fan theory, it did make sense in DS1, but it was never official.

>>383277729
roll r1 roll r1 roll r1

yeah fuck off mememan

>>383279321
well it's obnoxious since including andre, they left a fuckton of hints and suggestions that it's solaire. And then in 3 they just say "lol it's neither!" I mean wtf.

>>383279654
Well the thing is, they never do confirm it's the Nameless King either. It's very very heavily implied but it's never outright stated. So if they truly wanted to retcon it, it could work still.

>>383276747
>you could travel with priscilla
I need this.

>>383264937
>You know what you're getting now apart from bullshit cheap tricks to catch veteran players out
This is what I hated the most about DS2, it was like the game was constantly trying to get a cheap death out of me.

>>383262475
You can literally angle yourself so you can take one at a time once you get up the buttress. Like most DS boss fights, it boils down to just rushing your enemy rather than hanging back cautiously

>>383280124
DS1 had a few issues with cheap deaths and hitboxes but DS2 turned that up to 11. I think most people don't care because they just wanted to feel like they're being challenged even if it was from "fake" difficulty.

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>mfw normies call 4fags "Four Kings"

>>383256590
Game goes to shit after bell gargoyles.
Everything from undead asylum to that point is kino. The stuff after is garbage and shouldn't have been included in the final version.

>>383281002
You know those retards that play like retards and rush into things and then falls into traps that are obvious as fuck and then get all LUL DARK SOULS SO HAAAARD ? DS2 feels like it was made with those people in mind. It's like the devs thought oh well people are gonna be retards and call everything unfair anyway so why even bother making it fair.

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>>383280124
>>383281002
>critique das1
>"B-BUT das2!!!"
Everytime.

>>383281302
All the ambushes they put in the game never really caught me but it got kind of repetitive after a while. But a bigger problem I had was all the hitbox issues, I'm not sure why it was so much worse in DS2, unless it was done on purpose.

>>383281513
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. We aren't allowed to compare the games to each other?

>>383256590
Sounds like the first part too.

>>383264376
Honestly the rest of the game isn't that great. Oolacile and the archives are pretty meh and by anor londo you've got pretty much anything worth having. I've beaten dark souls only about a handful of times but I've made a new character a shit ton of times and I usually get burned out by the time of Anor Londo.

>>383260580
Homing soulmass.

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>>383281513
Jokes on you, I genuinely like all souls games I played for being entertaining.

>>383260580
just make the one on the way to the bonfire agro, then run back to the rafter you ran on and he'll fall off the ledge trying to get you, just make sure to watch out for the other archer

>>383256590
Just pretend sen's fortress is the last level and always skip blight town if you play on console
Game is a lot more fun that way

>>383261501
Imgur spergs out about DarkSouls almost as much, if not more than Normiewatch. Why you bitching about other people when you don't even know what they're into?

I enjoy both a lot and will play OW later with friends.

>>383261781
>Options are now bad, and will lead a clueless player to one of his many deaths.

So, you're the guy who hallway'd all our FPS maps!?

>>383266013
>>383267252
That level would run poorly and 90% of it wouldn't be visible.

>>383256590
The Ice Cavers were worse than Lost Izalith. What the fuck were they thinking?

>>383265828
>Wah 4kids beat me up the post

>>383285456
>not liking slip n slide souls
casual

>>383258310
Bloodborne's second half is just as bad. Miyazaki can only design half a game.

>>383256590
>muh second half

Forced meme. This only applies to Lost Izalith and to a lesser extent Demon Ruins, every other area is fine.

>>383275403
>you will never have a comfy firelink shrine with everyone around
>you will never save everyone
>you will never convince petrus and lautrec not to be dicks
I didn't even know Ingward could move to Firelink
also, does Crestfallen Warrior still go sudoku if you don't talk to him ? same question about Sieglinde/Siegmeyer not leaving if you don't talk to them

>>383258310
I love Bloodborne but the non optional bosses after Vicar Amelia are aren't that great. Shadows aare parry fish and hiding behind the big rock. Rom annd the one reborn are just fat blobs that you can eeasily kill after killing the other enemies. Micolash is wasted potential. Mergo's wetnurse is alright, fighting her the first time, but after beating her once or twice she becomes easy aswell, she is nowhere near beast bosses. Moon presence is shit.

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Why does everything bad happen to Rhea?

>>383286452
Micolash is only alright as a ridiculous character, his fight is tedious but I do like him as a character with his ridiculous laughing and what not

>>383285372
The "options" mostly seem to be there to make the game seem hard but force you to the "correct" path anyway. Most people who played DS1 for the first time probably went through the area with the respawning skeletons which seems really hard and is available for you to try, but it's not really the right way to go anyway since you'll just eventually come to the orange fog and have to go back.