https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z-JhQmoFWQ
So uh, 8-bit versions of all Tee's songs confirmed?
Sonic Mania thread
Obligatory.
>>383242704
>8-bit
Are you blind? Also Sonic Retro are speculating the same thing and Stealth came in and posted the quote from this video's description.
I had a dream tonight where I was watching a pre-release gameplay video for Mania and it contained the Special Stages. They were in the style of Sonic CD but the goal was to take out Eggman who was in the center of the stage surrounded by bumpers and various ground and airborne badniks, the machine itself looked like a crab or something. The entire thing was sprite based too.
>tfw over five more weeks left
>>383242704
I just want a new sonic ova done in that style
anon, FINISH THE MANIA SIDE. SOMEBODY DO IT. MAKE THE IMAGE COMPLETE.
>>383244765
You'll get an animated opening and ending for Mania and that's it.
>>383244945
I don't think there's footage (at least direct feed) of the missing sections.
>>383245104
>and that's it.
You never know, both the megadrive comics and mania have been well received so far. I could see them going full nostalgia fag especially if Forces under preforms
https://youtu.be/SYMenKEwpps
So did any of you get the 25th anniversary art book?
>>383243883
it's GOING SLOWER
WE'RE GOING FUCKING BACK IN TIME I SWEAR, IT WAS 2 WEEKS 6 WEEKS AGO
MAKE IT GO FASTER REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
>>383246621
What is the chance of any information being released before releasse? Or is it going to be MIA until release, nada, zilch, this is all we get
>>383246621
>>383246713
didn't mean to reply to that, but while we're here
what art book? never heard of that one
>>383246713
The book's already out, m8:
//forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?showtopic=36039&view=findpost&p=898167
I remember a few weeks back I heard someone mention a scanline filter option for Mania. Was he bullshitting me, or is that in the game?
>>383248018
That's old news, m8.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al0GFfRfq9w
>>383242704
The Michael Jackson "woo" is out of place
>>383248170
Ah, good shit.
>>383245371
Mega Drive is dead tho
>>383248384
Fuck Archie for being so incompetent.
>>383246621
Where can I get it in the UK?
>>383249064
Order online.
>>383248170
Scanline filters never look the same. Better off finding a way to play on an old CRT.
>>383250283
Even as a whole Sonic 4 was inferior to almost every single 2D Platformer that had came before it. It's a shame they wasted the name on such a cashgrabThe only really great game Dimps ever made was Rush 1
>>383250283
>>383251494
>The only really great game Dimps ever made was Rush 1
Advance 1 & 2 and even Rush Adventure are better than the original Rush.
>>383251923
Love that one stool on a moving platform high up in the air in Mirage Saloon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB9RP2SV8HY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWEqIdgzw4s
>>383251939
I can't get into the Advance series. The Special Stage system is utterly retarded and honestly Advance 2 it's completely pointless to play as anybody but Sonic or Cream
Rush Adventure should've been better if it wasn't padded by shitty cutscenes and unnecessary, tacked on mechanics. In Rush you just hit Start and you're thrown right into the game. Rush Adventure you're forced to skip through a 15 minute cutscene
>>383246649
I know, July is going by, really slow
>>383248384
Tyson Heese was at Anime Expo last week and when I asked him about the final issue of Mega Drive, he said that it was practically finished and that he and his editor were working on a way to get it published through Sega directly. So there's hope that it might still come out.And he said that if that falls through, he'll just leak it
>>383252326
You should play Advance 3 then. Many characters in the game actually have a noose
>>383252326
But the actual game part of Rush Adventure is far superior to the original Rush, since it offers much better level design (more interesting gimmicks and better flow) and boss fights (they're not stop and go and have actual flow to them).
>>383252608
Sorry, *use
>CRT filter
>Entire soundtrack has 16-bit versions of each song
God, what other shit is this game hiding.
>>383252326
Don't play Sonic Advance 3. That other guy is tricking you into experiencing some truly shit tier level design and enemy placement.
>>383252608
>tfw Advance 3 was the one I played most as a kid
The partner gimmick was nice, but the level design could've used a lot of work
I feel like the Advance games just weren't really up to par with the Classic ones, so I usually only give Rush a pass because it tried something new without bogging it down with too many unnecessary elements.And holy fuck is it harder than I remember
>>383252549
My fucking nigga Tyson pulls through. Love that guy.Boxer Hockey when ;_;
>>383252549
What a bro. It's cool we'll actually get to see the final part of Mega Drive at some point, some day.
>>383252776
Level design was fine. A few pits and spikes aren't a problem
>>383252958
>Level design was fine
t. faggot who knows nothing about good level design
>>383245423
https://youtu.be/bxvPG4xCyCA?t=290
>>383253070
t. casual
>>383253070
If it wasn't then neither would late game Advance 1 or 2 level design
Dimps has always been bad at level design
>>383253301
Really solid argument, champ.
>>383253305
Don't get me wrong, I have my nitpickings with Advance 2 too but it really shines in Advance 3 and not in a good way.
>>383253367
Y-you too
>>383253472
>>383252549
I wish he would leak the pages for each issue with no dialogue so people can crop better images
>>383253541
Anon I....
>>383253785
y-yes...?
Anyone actually really like Sonic & Knuckles solo? It feels like a much more solid game than Sonic 3 solo. I feel like Sonic & Knuckles added a lot more to 3&K than Sonic 3 did
>>383254313
I haven't played Sonic and Knuckles solo in years but yeah it added a lot. Sonic 3 Complete is the best version of S3&K.
>>383254426
I'm too lazy to look it up, what changes did Sonic 3 complete make?
>>383254512
Combine Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles in such a way that the lock on tech never happened and it was one game from the start. You can change Flying Battery to play after Carnival Night like how it was in a prototype, change the music to Sonic 3 style all the way through, change the music for CN, IC and LB to the Sonic & Knuckles Collection tracks, fixes a bunch of bugs and just cleans everything up. It's the best thing we got next to a Taxman remake.
>>383248170
Those are good scanlines too!
Not just that shitty version that's just slightly darker alternating lines. This actually renders each RGB pixel.
>>383252128
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EsJd9iLZSE
>>383252756
>>Entire soundtrack has 16-bit versions of each song
That's wrong.
>>383254313
Yeah I like S&K solo a lot. S3 is kind of barebones by itself really and my favoruite part of S3&K is undoubtedly the S&K portion.
>>383254765
All it needs to be is 16:9 and it would be literally perfect
>>383255445
Let me dream, Satan.
>>383252128
>Hyper Potions
I assumed it was Anamanaguchi, a lot of these chip tune bands sound the same
>>383254313
s&k is far more awkward as solo than s3 imo
also s3 has better ost
>>383255343
Can't listen to this without thinking of Grand Dad Mania
>>383256052
Anamanaguchi's always been mostly chiptune rock or just more fast paced chiptune. Cause it is basically just rock music with sound manipulation straight from old consoles.
>>383256097
S&K mini boss > S3 mini boss
S&K invincibility > S3 invincibility
S&K 1-up jingle > S3 1-up jingle
S&K Knuckles' theme > S3 Knuckles' theme
>>383248170
Who the hell cares about fucking scanlines anyway? They must have some serious autism to give a shit about crt scanlines!
>>383255013
Did you expect anything less of a team filled with Mega Drive-era autists
>>383256504
>Who the hell cares
Some clearly do.
Can't do this in Forces, Generations or 4.
>>383257480
Deliciously smooth rolling
>>383257480
TELL ME ABOUT THE WINDMILL
WHY IS THERE A WINDMILL
>>383257951
It's a love hotel
Who /preordered/ here?
>>383258671
Day you could. It's been a long, and continuing to be long, wait.
Like, all I care about right now is this game coming out.
>>383258818
>Like, all I care about right now is this game coming out.
Basically this, the wait is agonizing and I can't stop thinking about it every day.
>>383258671
>we are never getting the other taxman ports
>>383259106
I still believe we'll get the 1 & 2 remakes on consoles and PC, what you should be sad about is that we'll most likely never get the 3 remake.
>>383259106
I bet if Mania sells well Sega will release the S1/S2 remakes on Steam/consoles
>Green Hill
>Chemical Plant
>Stardust Speedway
>Flying Battery
Hopefully the 3 stage is Hydrocity. Ice Cap has some good music but it's kinda boring. Plus it takes care of the obligatory water level.
/ourguy/ has gone such a long way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJa-4tMqVNc
>>383260285
I want Hydrocity pretty bad.
Half because I bet they could do something super cool for the 2nd act and half because I wanna see Tee Lopes make a crazy remix of Act 2's music.
I hope I make it to August 15th.
>>383254313
Absolutely. I thought I was alone on this. I think the levels on S&K were cooler on average.
>>383254313
I like Sonic 3 more than S&K especially on music though the latter half of S&K is probably the best part of the lot, though I don't like S&K's first half nearly as much as 3's
>UNBE-FUCKING-LIEVABLE: THERE'S A HUUUUGE AIRSHIP!
>AND IT'S BOMBING ME?! OH GOD WHAT THE FUCK
>IS THIS THE POWER OF BLAST PROCESSING?! IT MUST BE, 'CAUSE I'M HAVIN' A BLAST!
>WHOA... SONIC'S GOING SO FAST, HE JUST BURSTED INTO FLAMES! THAT'S AMAZING!!!
>AND THERE'S TAILS! DROP-IN, DROP-OUT 2-PLAYER COUCH CO-OP MULTIPLAYER HAS NEVER BEEN BETTER NOW THAT HE CAN FLY!!!
>THAT BURNING BACKGROUND LITERALLY IS A GREAT PAINTING. IT'S THE MOST BEAUTIFUL GOD DAMNED THING I'VE EVER FUCKING WELL LAID EYES UPON, SO HELP ME, GOD.
>ONLY 4:23 INTO ACT 2, AND MARIO HASN'T EVEN MADE IT PAST HIS OWN TITLE SCREEN YET. LMFAO!!! BITCH, STEP IT UP, WHAT A FAT DISGRACE
>ALREADY HAVE 41,310 POINTS, 326 RINGS. 30 LIVES. THAT'S MORE THAN NINTENDONT'S WHOLE FUCKING COMPANY WILL EVER GET
>>383260824
>barely legible text written in children's crayon, so randum colors in no particular order
>old wood scattered around the periphery, why did nobody clean this junk up?
>1990, 1991... which is it? game doesn't know or care when it was made, must not be very good
>gloomy atmosphere as if it's going to rain (how depressing, I don't want to play this)
>annoying bushes all over the otherwise featureless flat field filled with nothingness. yay.
>Mario's not even there, probably got bored and left, now you have to be the turtle instead
>your only ability is walking forward in one direction, and that happens automatically and there's no way to stop doing it
>Mario Games
>>383259221
>we will never get S3&K in 16:9 with the improvements of the other ports
God please just kill me, life is not worth living
>>383260285
>>383260415
It's gonna be Labyrinth, lads:
http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?showtopic=35709&view=findpost&p=895639
http://info.sonicretro.org/Game_Secrets:Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(16-bit)#In-game_vs._technical_level_order
https://twitter.com/teelopesmusic/status/850072943791144964
But on the bright side we're likely to get a Sonic 3 multiplayer stage to represent that game, since that was one of the things they wanted to do for the Sonic 3 & Knuckles remake.
>>383261621
Chrome Gadget or riot
>>383261621
Daily reminder that it'll be Labyrinth zone but act 2 of it will turn into Hydrocity. you know this is the truth, search your hearts.
>>383261732
That sounds totally perfect. I'll expect that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omKGDC4JaMU
Really informative video which basically destroys any doubt of the 'sonic cycle'
>>383261732
>but act 2 of it will turn into Hydrocity
In level design only, the aesthetic and music will still be Labyrinth, which is why I would be half okay with this.
>>383242704
I never would have thought that in the year of our lord 2017 a fucking Sonic game would be the only game that has me hyped for its release.
>people thinking this proves there will be 16 bit remixes in-game
>when the song clearly uses some of those MJ sounds that are half the reason Sonic 3 will never get a taxman remake
yeah okay
>>383261852
That chuckle fuck completely under sold Pagoda West.
>>383262132
Not to mention that both Tee Lopes and Stealth said that this was done just for fun.
>>383252128
Something about this song gives me hope.
>>383258671
I preordered the special edition as soon as I could
>>383262132
MJ IS TO BLAIM FOR THIS
MJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI97jY3FZ9Q
When Crush 40 are not in town and you get your old school band mates to do the sonic theme lyrics
>>383262681
His estate too.
>>383262965
Not great. Reminds me of a light novel anime adaption opening.
So is this game getting a standard edition physical release? Not a fan of digital
>>383263214
The collector's edition is the closest you'll get to a physical release as of now.
>>383245104
Or there are animated cutscenes.
>>383263626
Nope, see: >>383242774
>>383262965
It honestly sounds like a fan cover. The instrumental is way better.
So have you guys brushed up your_____Puyo Puyo_____skills?
>>383264227
I love me somepuyo puyo.I have no worries.
>>383264408
I've been playingPuyo Pop Fever DS to try and learn the game more, can't build high combos consistently for shit.
Only recently have it got what classic sonic is, it never really clicked with me before but once you get how speed allows exploration and that you don't need to rush to the end the whole game changes
The amount of little stuff in these games it is no wonder people get so autistic over the details
>playin muh mEAn bEAn with some friends
>suddenly, 4 thugs storm friend's bedroom
>literally start attacking friends
mfw
>>383264227
No but I've gotPuyo Puyo Tetrison my shelf so I'll be fine
>>383252326
Sonic Advance 1 is awesome. Advance 2 is a shitshow.
>>383264797
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t9HvMXU2wo
playing in the background as your friends get there shit kicked in
>>383265190
TThis music... is a little too good for a game about falling beans? Isn't this a little bit too intense? This is some final boss music shit
>>383264227
>tfw can't do anything but 4chain long stairs
>>383254313
No, I feel the other way around. Marble Garden is my favorite Sonic zone, and the only zones that don't feel like a chore to me in S&K are Mushroom Hill and Sky Sanctuary.
>>383265345
That's some one-on-one in the same room sitting right next to you human opponent shit. Let the battle of wits begin.
>>383258671
Sonic CD sucks.
Poor visuals.
Poor music.
Poor gameplay.
I would wish it out of existence, if it didn't give us the blessing that is Amy.
Metal Sonic is overrated. Pure edge. Edgier than Shadow, but people give him a pass because he's a robot.
>>383265526
>poor music
This really makes me ponder
>>383261621
>since that was one of the things they wanted to do for the Sonic 3 & Knuckles remake
I need a source of this. Great if it's true.
>>383265345
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNulXX68LPQ
>>383265414
My man, S3 is way better. It's levels are richer, faster, more fluid.
Marble Garden is a respectable choice as well.
>>383265614
You really should ponder your taste, if you think CD's music is good.
>>383265526
>Poor music.
Gr8 b8, must be str8 f8 I didn't w8 or hesit8 to r8 an 8.8, no h8 or deb8. Now that I 8 with N8 by the g8 on a cr8 can't be l8 for my d8 with K8, it would cre8 an ir8 st8. Cya m8.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzH2-Gkikzc
>>383265834
>Someone who writes something like that has shit taste.
Not surprising. Just disappointed.
>>383259106
>we are never getting the other taxman ports
Taxman mentioned in a recent interview that the original plan for Mania was a small, modest game full of original content bundled together with his remasters of Sonic 1 and 2.
There's always a chance that could have carried over into the final product and they've decided to leave it as a secret until release.An incredibly small chance, but still.At least it confirms that we'll be seeing them on other platforms eventually.
>>383265834
>cya m8
>>383265996
not him but don't get ir8 you get blown the fuck out of existence
If you could put any sonic reference (including weird shit the fans have done) into mania what would it be?
>>383266269
Chris Chan playable character
any other answer is incorrect
>>383266072
>Anon delivers what is likely a copypasta of an old dead 8 meme.
>Drops a single youtube video.
>This counts as good comedy, and BTFO material.
CD fags really are little brains, aren't they? What am I saying? It's really just classicfags who are so simple minded. CDfags are just the worst examples of classicfags.
>>383266359
Stick that shit in Forces.
>>383266072
>blown the fuck out of existence
All that anon did was post like a teenager and link a music track. Not even the same anon you're replying to, but come on.
>>383242704
>16bit remix
So whats the original sound like?
>>383266359
>Not asperchu
If you are putting in anything sonichu it should be to annoy chris
>>383266381
Why do you hate CD with such a song hatred anon? Did something happen to you while you were playing it in the background and give you some kind of vietnam flashback whenever it is mentioned?
>>383266359
>OMG CHRIS CHAN IS SO RANDUM AND FUNNEH XD
No.
>>383266269
I just want good characters to get a nod. Like Marine or Sticks. It's like Sonic Team does everything in the power to forget good characters. But they'll continue pushing Cream until the day Sega dies.
>>383266598
Go watch a gameplay video of the stage.
>>383266598
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGR5fTO2oio
>>383265626
https://www.sonicretro.org/2015/02/regarding-sonic-3-guest-post-by-stealth/
The site's dead so here's an archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20161009040559/http://sonic3remastered.com:80/sonic-3-remastered-features.html
>>383266647
A Blaze cameo would be cool. She's one of the only new characters that feels like she has a place.
>>383265526
I just replayed it on PS3 and it's still fucking awesome.
>>383266269
These guys.
>>383266621
Simply got sick of CD fags acting like their opinions aren't shit.
>Shadow is too edgy, but Metal Sonic is dah bess village evah!
>They ruined Amy in Adventure, Classic amy is da cootest!
>CD is the best classic Sonic.
The game is actually pretty bad. Most of the talent went to work on Sonic 2.
A brand new Knuckles rap, written by Eminem and the ghost of 2pac.
Vulgar, and racist, and gangster style.
>>383267000
I wonder if Madonna will make a cameo somewhere
>>383266598
https://youtu.be/uB9RP2SV8HY?t=2m47s
What if I told you these 3 things:
>Amy and Metal Sonic are secret characters
>the Special Stages are Blue Spheres but slightly easier
>There's a NiGHTS stage and many more SEGA references (even a Puyo Puyo one)
Would you believe me?
>>383267061
>shadowfag
and it all made sense in one sentence.As you were, anon.
cd is nowhere near the best sonic game though
>>383267064
Why did they give Knuckles a hip-hop soundtrack, but gave him a regular white guy voice? Not even a cool white guy.
>>383267283
The 2nd point was debunked cause they said that the special stage is something we haven't seen before.
>>383267283
Amy will 100% be playable, metal sonic, makes me hmmm
special stages w/e
nights I doubt, but maybe, just MAYBE.
>>383267283
>Would you believe me?
No because we already know what's going on with Blue Spheres: >>383242774
>>383267061
>but Metal Sonic is dah bess village evah!
he is though
>>383267314
Yeah, because comparing one character to another makes me a superfan of the character that opposes your opinion. That's how it all works.
Nothing to do with objectivity.
>>383266269
Integrate some of the OVA.
Make Sonic and Tails end the game on their crashed plane island home, have Knuckles ending putting the hat over his head laying back against a tree for a nap, stuff like that.
>>383267061
>Adventurecucks
wew lad
>>383267538
I sense that you like the adventure games, anon?I'm so sorry.
>>383266769
I want to play this level so bad. I hope Mania have some of them since we aren't getting the remakes anytime soon.
>>383267760
Sonic 3s sprite is fucking horrific, holy fuck
>>383267283
Blue sphere would be perfect with a greater view of the horizon. Though I suppose they would need to increase the area of the field in order to pull that off. I'm not sure exactly how they generate blue sphere levels anyway. I'm pretty sure the field isn't an accurate globe. But just give the impression that you're walking on one using a visual trick.
>>383267323
>Knuckles
First time you meet him, he mugs you for your bling, laughs at you, calls you a bitch and runs away.
He's a dumb brutish savage who lives in the jungle.
He's got filthy dreadlocks.
He raps.
He wears a Nike jersey.
So in conclusion to answer your question I don't know.
>>383267760
I'd much prefer Chrome Gadget or Azure Lake, but Balloon Park would be cool too.
>>383267635
>>383267739
Yes, because comparing one game to another makes me a superfan of the game that opposes your opinion. that's how it all works.
God, CDfags really are the dumbest of the dumb.
>>383267829
It's fine.
>>383267283
I recently replayed the sphere minigame in sonic 3 and it is honestly the hardest shit ever unless you know exactly where the fuck you're going
it is the definition of casual filter
>>383267943
>He raps.
No he doesn't. Clearly a black man raps the songs. Knuckles is white, if his voice is anything to go by.
Also, that's not a Nike logo on his chest. It's an unsnatchable chain.
>>383267829
I agree, even though I strangely preferred it as a kid. It's a good thing you can play Sonic 3 Complete with the S1/S2 sprites.
>>383268029
Sonic's standing sprite in mania is awful too. I can't believe people defend it. They really should have redrawn it from the ground up.
The new Knuckles sprite looks amazing for example. Why couldn't Sonic have gotten the same treatment? Though they did draw Knuckle's pupils too small. His expression looks berserk.
>>383267987
>CDfags
But my favorite game is Sonic 3 & Knuckles. And don't fucking deny being an Adventurecuck after multiple posts shitting on classicbros for no reason, you're not fooling anyone.
>>383266269
I'd go for some really fucking obscure shit but considering Studiopolis already has references to the fucking popcorn machine of all things they're pretty set on that department so I dunno. I'd probably shoehorn in Honey from the fighting game as a background cameo somewhere.
>>383268185
Did someone make a patch or something? Sounds cool. Just another excuse to play through the whole thing again.
>>383268393
>>383268424
They should reference the Sonic police car and Sonic space patrol kiddy rides.
>>383268516
>>383266269
>>383268424
Oh it has a lot more than that.
>>383268625
>>383268394
Shitting on classicfags, is not the same as shitting on the classic games. Your love for the classic games, has no bearing on the games themselves. It only makes you look like a fag, when you say shit like CD is a good game. Anyone who isn't a fag realizes this isn't the case. You only think CD is a good game, because it's among the "classics".
I shit on classicfags in this case, because that's what's pertinent to the conversation regarding CD. Not to try an assert some Adventure superiority. Don't be a tribalistic retard.
>>383268516
Yes! The one on the left is SO much better. Love it.
>>383267283
I could believe it but I doubt any of it's true besides maybe the Amy thing.I hope you aren't bullshitting because I'm a huge Nightsfag and I'd absolutely gift out a few more copies solely because that fucker's in it if true.
>>383268857
>You only think CD is a good game, because it's among the "classics".
No? I think it's a good game because it is, replayed the Taxman remake twice earlier this week even.
What are the chances you think that Super Sonic (if in the game) will control like in Sonic 3C with the multi-button option, and the ability to deactivate?
So I'm late and all, but could you guys help me to find who is drawing/animating those Sonic gif you posted here ?
This really is some good stuff.
>>383268458
>he doesn't know about Sonic 3 CompleteI didn't use the S1/2 sprites since I feel like it'd be really fucking jarring but if I ever get around to downloading it again I'll probably try it
>>383269013
You're blind to your faggotry.
>>383269017
I have a good feeling that it would be like that with all of the focus on the Drop Dash and all.
>>383268691
I know but that's just the most obscure thing that instantly came to mind.
>>383268562
I'd love that too, yeah.
>>383269017
I'd say decent.
I'm worried about Tails and Knuckles getting super forms.
>>383253973
I..I thought you were a GEP gun.
>>383269117
If you're talking about the stuff from the trailers then it's Tyson Heese
>>383269127
It is pretty jarring, but i'm a purist for S3&K, to the point that I play it in the original level order, and just appreciate it for the improvements and glitch fixes.
>>383269117
Tyson Hesse. The guy behind Boxer Hocker and those Sonic parody comics with Nipples the Enchilada, plus Sonic Mega Drive.
>>383268516
That left sonic is too skinny, looks awful
>>383269117
Tyson Hesse mainly, with some help from a couple of other animators one of which is Mariel "Kinuko" Cartwright.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvD8NZN9Zsg
>>383269332
>>383269354
Yes, thanks a lot.
>>383254313
Aren't they the same game split in two? Why play either solo?
>>383267829
I prefer them, actually. Sonic's head is too perfectly spherical and bulbous in the other sprites.
>>383269136
Sorry you hate good games, Adventurecuck.
>>383269541
Even though they were both suppose to be one game, there's a big difference in atmosphere compared to Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles.
>>383264686
Is this official!?
>>383269680
No.
>>383268029
Sonic 3 is objectively the best there ever was:
>confident grin
>eyes dead ahead
>spikes taper in conformation with the shape of his body
>arms relaxed but at the ready
>feet position optimized for maximum balance
Sonic 1, 2, CD, et all:
>flippyflappy coneshaped "shoes"
>feet in awkward southpaw position as he attempts to stand up tall to look more intimidating because he's really insecure
>noodely arms flexed tight as possible still don't look tough
>spines coming out his asscrack the same size or bigger than the ones on top of his head
>blank expression
>lazyeyed stare in which two pupils become one
>>383268424
How about that 90s Japanese Sonic UFO catcher game?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyg-dvTFKxs
>>383244765
I just want SEGA to acknowledge that the OVA even exists. Soundtrack release never. BD never. Maybe if a petition is made they 'll finally notice.
>>383242704
>8-bit
>We live in a time when kids don't know the difference between 8 and 16 bit
>>383269756
Shame...
Good sprite anyway.
>>383269905
Starlight Zone is a pretty good choice for crane game music.
>>383270084
Or how to read for that matter.
>>383269127
Playing Knuckles in Sonic 2 is already pretty jarring. Tails' sprites for the most part seem to be the most consistent out of the three
It wouldn't be too jarring. Nothing relevant in-game would make Sonic feel out of place. Except maybe those pillars in Hydrocity
>>383269541
I prefer the levels in Sonic & Knuckles and it feels more like a complete game by itself than Sonic 3I like the subtle feeling of progression between the two where the Sonic 3 half is full of water due to the island sinking, but the higher you travel the less water there is
>>383269905
these fucking things are so rigged
>>383269604
I'm not an adventure cuck. But since that matter came up. I will say Adventure had some good ideas, that I feel is a shame that Sega Team gave up on. Instead of improving and polishing the good ideas, they outright dropped them. Fact is, Sonic Team is an incompetent developer when it comes to game design. The majority of Adventure's flaws comes from unrefined physics, and unrefined mechanics.
The problem was never the fact that it had too many characters. That's the test of the moron. Anyone who complains about the amount of character in Sonic, is a moron. The problem with the game, is that every bit of it was like the alpha build of a good game. None of it felt complete.
Like take grinding for example. Detection is finicky, you can't reliably switch rails without fear that Sonic will simply clip through them and plummet. It's a mess. So what did Sonic Team do for future games? Did they refine the rails? No. They just casualized it to the point where rails might as well not be in the game. No when you switch, your character does a big retarded arch, and magnetizes to the rail. The arching jump takes so long to perform, that any obstacles placed along the track, must account for the jump time. So they hardly put any obstacles on rail tracks anymore. And they don't let you jump off the sides of rails anymore.
Rails are more or less cinematic spectacles.
Point being: Adventure games are good in concept. Even if their execution was poorly done by an incompetent developer. If you didn't like Adventure at one point, then you're probably only 16 years old and never played them when they were new. Or you simply don't appreciate what they were going for. Because that would actually require an open mind. Something classicfags lack. Classicfags only want what they're already familiar with.
>>383270785
>Point being: CD is good in concept. Even if their execution was poorly done by an incompetent developer. If you didn't like CD at one point, then you're probably only 16 years old and never played it when it was new. Or you simply don't appreciate what it was going for. Because that would actually require an open mind. Something fags lack.
Really activates those almonds.
>>383262134
>Pagoda West is ex-S2HD members
Well this team makes more sense to me now. No wonder literally every aspect of it is so amazing, they actually don't need Sega or Sonic Team for any single aspect of it, and they probably aren't getting "help" from them at all.
>>383271395
Except CD is based on a solid foundation of classic Sonic mechanics. Yet, their level designs sucked ass, their visual designs sucked ass. Their music was lacking. And the time gimmick was more of a bother than it was fun.
What little CD brought to the table, was the shitty time gimmick. While everything else that was already established, like levels/visuals/sound, they fumbled on.
>>383271626
>and they probably aren't getting "help" from them at all.
Besides Izuka giving the okay for things that seems to be the case. Stealth revealed some more team members lower in this image too: >>383242774
>>383271626
All the have is Iizuka watching over them. God, I remember that old drama over the first public demo of S2HD having a keylogger in it pretty much destroying the project there and then.
And it's super lucky as well because the reason why Tee Lopes is doing the music is because he's part of PagodaWest.
>>383271736
>Yet, their level designs sucked ass, their visual designs sucked ass
Sonic Adventure was just described
>And the time gimmick was more of a bother than it was fun
You don't even need to bother with it, it's an optional way to get the good ending
>>383271872
>Sonic Adventure was just described
Adventure had good levels for the most part. There were a few stinkers, sure. And let's not even talk about Big the Cat.
>You don't even need to bother with it, it's an optional way to get the good ending
So don't bother with the only interesting concept CD introduced? Gotcha. There's literally no reason to play the game then. The other classic games did everything else better.
>>383242704
This is smooth as fuck.
>>383271872
>You don't even need to bother with it, it's an optional way to get the good ending
Not him but that's one of the most fun ways to play CD because of how much it focuses on exploration. And I like that that because I'm not a close minded faggot like him, so I don't mind playing a Sonic game a bit differently. Honestly kind of ironic.
>>383272180
That's a pretty succinct image, anon.
Mind if I download it?
>>383272180
Oh I agree, I'm just saying that if the Time Travel gimmick bothers someone, they have another way to get to the good end
>>383272330
No, it's mine and my alone.
>>383272379
Fuck you I'm stealing it then
>>383272180
I'm not closed off to exploration in a Sonic game. It's just that the way CD handled it, was pretty poor.
Also, Sonic 2 is not exceptionally speedy compared to the other games. Neither is Sonic 1 exceptionally more platform oriented. This would be a nice chart if it were accurate. But it simply isn't.
Of course someone is going to argue it is accurate, because the uniformity satiates their autistic need to fit things into neat groups.
>>383242704
That version sounds sweet. Some parts of it remind me a bit of SoR as well.
>>383272658
>Nope.
Ah, I see. Of course. I felt the chart was accurate, but I should have realized...
>>383272180
somebody put in sonic mania on this
NOW!
>>383269947
You wanna know why they don't?
Rights shenanigans.
>>383252128
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSBX1UkWmus
>tfw "SEGA PROUDLY PRESENTS"
>tfw i have to wait a year atleast for a decent job to afford mania.
Fuck me guys, and it's only 22$life is looking up but damn i wish i was still living under my parent's wings
>>383272580
Don't you fucking DARE. It's MY image and I'm only SHARING it with you.
>>383266269
>>383245423
>Cybershell
I guess he isn't dead afterall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSdCTS4QTNQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52UGIIIp9WE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG6z9E6_LA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDFaRMmWbKo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyXg9kAp4Vc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qKh-5msybk&index=16&list=PL0B59A49725C84F57
>when you're somehow more excited for the soundtrack then the game itself
Tee you beautiful FUCK
>>383273249
I was lucky I had 20 extra bucks in my Steam wallet thanks to a birthday Steam gift card I got months ago for a birthday gift.
>>383272908
Wait till we're able to rip the sprites from it.
>yfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j0q2DbXgAc
Crash and Sonic are both back, and a new mario is on the way, it's a mighty great time for platformers.
If we don't get an Icecap zone, I hope we still get a snow/ice themed level. I love me some chill levels, Snowcap Zone was my favorite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYxlqTpZ-24
And I'm probably alone here, but I really liked Hilltop Zone too, I guess its the 'on a mountaintop' location with the pine trees and such.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnBlHfc4Lh0
>>383273438
I can't wait to hear the Act 2 track.
>>383273438
>>383273326
Sonic Mania literally brought him back from the dead.
>>383266269
>Metal sonic theme is Stardust Speedway bad future
>Second phase
>Go into an abandoned, run down sector outside of the main city
>Remix of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTT2YYcPEmk
Yes please
>>383273438
I'm really hyped for the possibility of Vicarious making an original Crash game.
>>383271841
>>383271857
It really is the absolute perfect team for the game. You've got the best coder and engine developer in the Sonic fangame community with Taxman, the best level designer in the Sonic fangame community with Stealth, and some of the best artists in the Sonic fangame community with Pagoda West. I don't think anyone could make a more faithful classic Sonic game in the world. Well, I don't personally feel like Tee Lopes' soundtrack is very faithful to the originals, but it does sound like if the Sonic soundtrack stayed modern going down the same path rather than going down Buttrock Avenue.
>>383272658
>Sonic 2 is not exceptionally speedy compared to the other games.
>what's Emerald Hill, Chemical Plant, Aquatic Ruin and Hill Top???
>Neither is Sonic 1 exceptionally more platform oriented.
>what's Marble, Spring Yard, Labyrinth???
Try actually playing the games, my man. Those aren't even the only examples of general level design philosophies for those games.
>>383273438mario is the only one that doesn't look good to me.
It's like we're in a bizarro world
>>383273872
>What are these cherry picked zones, compared to these other cherry picked zones.
Stop.
>>383273438
>>383245423
>all of those advancefags in the comments being mad at him calling Dimps shit
Glorious.
>>383274001
>Cherry-picked
>Literally half of Sonic 1 was listed
Also Sonic 2 is eons faster than 1 or CD because the level design was streamlined to be more about getting to the end as fast as possible
>>383274120
The comments have so many fucking Episode 4 apologists.
>>383274120
The Advance series wasn't bad but boy was it inconsistent. None of the 3 feel like a very strong entry overall, the closest being maybe Advance 2, but the typical Dimps problems shine throughout all of them making them feel more like noteworthy spin-offs rather than great main series titles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s55a7BVVbY
3:08
DAILY REMINDER That the bad ending of Sonic 2 on the game gear, Tails fucking dies. Never forget.
>>383274109
mario is better
>>383268035
It's a lot easier if you don't go for the perfect
>>383274231
I'm not getting into a level-by-level debate with you. You're entitled to your opinion. I just disagree.
>>383274421
I'd not forget if I could ever get past the first fucking boss
>>383273651
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgLxoqs1Is0
>>383273438
>Sonic Mania
>Metroid Samus Returns
>Super Mario Odyssey
>King Knight's campaign
>Freedom Planet 2
>Bloodstained
>Indivisible
God damn is it a good time to be a platformer fan.
>>383274421
What the fuck is this
>>383274317
I liked Advance 1 the most
>>383274421
I'm confused. At what point did Tails die? I never played that game. So the ending sequence doesn't really explain what happened.
>>383274638
this is fantastic
>>383273438
Been playing Crash for the first time, wrapping up 100% in Crash 1, getting real DKC vibes from it actually, dunno why people always poise it against Mario aside from releasing close together in early 3D times.
Between Mania, Crash, Mario, more Shovel Knight DLC, and a couple of other platformers, this year has been incredible.
>>383273860
It is suppose to be a hypothetical Sega Saturn 2D Sonic game, so I think the music is fine.
>>383274317
I think Advance 1 is the closest to being like the Classics. The other two take liberties with it.
>>383274638
That was embarrassing.
>>383274818
Tails got captured and basically he's Robotnik's captive. If you beat him and destroy his base while not having all the Chaos Emeralds, Tails perishes. If you have all the emeralds you save him before he dies.
>>383274269
It's fucking disgusting to be honest with you.
>>383274975
>dunno why people always poise it against Mario aside from releasing close together in early 3D times.
because the advertising usually had Crash insulting Mario or standing outside of "nintendo HQ" with a megaphone calling out the "plumber boy".
Crash used the sonic model of advertising which was to shit on Mario
>>383274638
This was okay
>>383275221
So Sonic and Crash were both betrayed by their own marketing.
>>383274753
2017 is such a good year for games
>>383273249
>shit happened
>medical bills
>pc doesn't work and can't waste money fixing
>don't have new consoles
>few days ago, car needs to be repaired
Last few months have been great
>>383274818
Miss an emerald, can't get the 6th emerald from Silver Sonic to reach the true last level. Never save Tails. That ending happens
>>383274638
That existed
Sticks is cute. CUTE!
>>383275628
She's also an annoying cunt with one overtold joke. Thank god she's stuck in Boom.
>>383275410
not really. They were betrayed by failure to jump generations.
Sonic never entirely got how to transition the classic formula to 3D. It's the same thing that killed Mega Man slowly and painfully. (and Castlevania for that matter)
Crash had to suffer a jump to the next generation of consoles, with high expectations, but without it's original dev team that perfected his formula over 3 games there to expand the game properly
>>383273249
Post your steam you dumb baby
>>383273501
I like Hilltopit's the last good level in sonic 2 before it goes from a cool game to a shitty one.
I think, can't remember if it came before or after Mystic Cave. If before then the second last.
>>383276134
Hill Top is before Mystic Cave.
Mystic Cave is the final really good level before the boring Oil Ocean and the fucking terrible Metropolis.
>>383265526
Anon, the Sonic CD port defaults on the American soundtrack, you need to change it manually.
I know, it's a hassle but trust me you'll change your opinion soon enough.
>>383245423
too much REEEEE 4 me
>>383276278
Yeah okay then second last good level.
Seriously though why does that game just fall off a fucking cliff after a certain point quality wise?
>>383276278
And then Sky Chase is boring, I always cheat by going through the fan on Wing Fortress
>>383242704
>8 bit
>literally says 16 bit in the title
>even that isn't quite true since while the genesis was 16 bit, it's more accurate to call it an FM synth as that's what it was going for
I wish nothing but painful, painful death upon everyone who calls fucking everything that uses pixel art or any form of SNES/NES/GEN/etc soundfont or chiptune "8-bit".
>>383276134
>>383276278
Oil Ocean confuses me. It makes sense to have a hard factory level near the end of the game, even if Metropolis takes it a step too far
But for what purpose does Oil Ocean serve? It's like it exists to be a time sink
>>383275628
Tyson's take.
>>383276648
And Death Egg is a no-hit boss rush hassle.
>>383276602
I remember hearing Sonic 2 had sort of a rushed development of a sort. The game had a bunch more levels planned and the story was supposed to involve time travel like CD
Metropolis screams last minute clusterfuck
>>383276862
s'okay
>>383276985
I guess but I see tons of rushed games that are just shitty throughout. It's not usually that blatant where time ran out.
>>383276679
It does feel like padding doesn't it
I'm a 4fag, how does Sonic 4 play into the classic series plot-wise? It was confirmed to take place after 3&K, and it most directly connects with CD with the Death Egg mkII being built around Little Planet. How will Mania play into this? What do you guys think?
>>383277459
Sonic 4 isn't a part of the classic games so it won't be mentioned.
>>383277459
It's non-canon. Mania ignores it as does Sega.
>>383242704
Man I hope there's an option to toggle between the original and Genesis-style musics.
>>383270785
>The problem was never the fact that it had too many characters. That's the test of the moron
More characters = more dev time spent on those instead of improving the core while also having to balance the game for multiple characters.
This is why Adventure 2 is very linear instead cause they focused on one each but still had to make multiple.
>>383277459
R E T C O N N E D
>>383276881
>Beat Death Egg Robo
>he had dropped bombs
>Lose control of Knuckles
>He just runs right into the bombs and dies as I had no rings and lost control of him
i was so mad
>>383277459
It doesn't.
>>383277708
>>383277772
I'm hoping for an actual reason why CD isn't in the elevator when Stardust Speedway is gonna be a level.
>>383274231
>the level design was streamlined to be more about getting to the end as fast as possible
That isn't good though. It meant that the top path was always the best so you don't think as much and you got less content for doing better at the game
>>383277126
That was back when game development was a lot easier to do, especially sequels. Most of the game was pretty much already made since Sonic 1 existed, they just added a few new bells and whistles to improve what was given to them. Usually I remember hearing that early game stages are some of the last ones to be developed because they require the most effort to make easy, but engaging
So they probably just made Metropolis and didn't put much thought into it
>>383277270
I often forget it exists unless I'm playing Sonic 2. It baffles me how Dimps thought it was a good idea to make a sand version for Sonic 4
>>383277708
>>383277772
Still very confused about this elavator
will it just be a trailer cutscene? will it be ingame and they keep going back and forth to this magical elevator whatever the FUCK it is
>>383277708
>>383277772
Is CD retconned too? Don't see it on that elevator strip.
Sad to see Sonic 4 treated like this though, it was far from being great but it wasn't awful by any means ):
>>383277870
Probably because it isn't a direct sequel and would fuck up the sequence 1-3.
Don't read too deep into it, most important thing is 4 isn't on there.
>>383278048
Metropolis feels like a complete "fuck you" to the player in almost every way. It goes on for far too long, every badnik is an asshole to deal with, the boss is crap, the gimmicks are annoying.
>>383278193
Stardust Speedway is in the Mania trailer, so no idea how it works.
>>383278193
>Sad to see Sonic 4 treated like this though
Nah, it's great because it's everything that putrid shit deserves.
>>383277459
Mania is the real Sonic 4.
We don't know where Sonic CD fits in the timeline, I think its between Sonic 1 and 2.
>>383278193
>it wasn't awful by any means
Yes it was.
>):
>>>/r/eddit
>>383277870
CD takes place on Little Planet, which sorta just blinks in and out of existence every so often. Since CD sorta retcons itself with Sonic undoing eggman's shit, and LP is just a clusterfuck of time shenanigans, it's sort of its own thing. If they explain it in the story, they'll probably just have them leave the elevator and actually go find LP.
>>383277870
Maybe it just listed the Yuji Naka games since those were sort of a progressive improvement on the formula, while CD was more of an experimental sidestep?
>>383278005
It's better than actively padding out the game with very slow obstacles to avoid like Sonic 1
>>383278278
not him but
Metropolis is without a doubt
THE worst level in any Sonic game. Every part of that level is designed for you to get hit, make you fail, and just stop speed. It is fucking horrific and i have no idea how it got into the final game, atrocious level
>>383278329
Hoping to see some sort of reference to Sonic 4, even if it is just shitting on it, I want some acknowledgement at least.
>>383278398
Episode II was a lot better, I consider I and II to be part of one overall "Sonic 4" package.
>>383278419
>It's better than actively padding out the game
Or you could just play 3
>>383278527
The overall Sonic 4 package is inferior to any of the Classic games. It's a cash grab that shows Dimps really can't make games like the original Sonic Team was able to
But Advance should have been proof of that
>>383278527
>Episode II was a lot better
Still shit.
>>383269541
Because it was released as two games and Sega continues to acknowledge it as such?
>>383278630
S3&K/S3C is by far the definitive Sonic game, which goes back to what the original post was talking about
1's platforming + CD's exploration + 2's Speed = S3&K
>>383278527
>episode 2 was a lot better
2 x 1 is still 2.
>>383278775
Too bad S3&K had the worst Sonic sprite of the games. They made him fat and shitty.
>>383278802
>2 x 0 is still 0.
ftfy
>>383278728
>and Sega continues to acknowledge it as such?
Does it? Steam release has both together
People may not always say 3 & punchy sonichu but the generally seem to be considered a package.
>>383278649
Post yfw that was replaced by anentrance to Hidden Palace Zone
>>383277772
>>383278979
>Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles are two different games
Ha, eat shit!
>>383278957
>They made him fat
fat sonic is best sonic
The lankier sonic gets the worse he gets
>>383278957
I know the S3&K Sprite isn't as good as the othersBut that's what Sonic 3 Complete is for
>>383245423
This is the dumbest fucking thing in existence. I mean, if ONLY there were a number that came after four that we could use to call Sonic Mania for short!
>>383279217
The letter M isn't a number
>>383279086
But CD/2 had the perfect mix of fat and lanky.
https://youtu.be/JCSL7naH-8A
Sonic needs to have just a biiit of lankiness, to emphasize the speed. Adventure onwards took it WAY too far, yeah, but S3&K takes it too far in the other direction.
>>383279425
I was referring to five, you twit.
>>383279534
Mania isn't a sequel to 4 and has nothing to do with it
The series goes 1, 2, 3, K, M
Maybe CD can go in there too since Sega likes to actually acknowledge it these days
>>383279020
>>Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles are two different games
Nah:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct1cErthI6s
>>383277702
Making Tails fly, or Knuckles climb, or Amy swing a hammer, was not preventing them from making good core mechanics. Incompetence did. They simply didn't know what they were doing.
And how about Unleashed? The build a beat em up game from the ground up, and they still somehow managed to get the boost mechanics right. Why didn't the werehog prevent them from making good boost mechanics Unleashed?
>>383279534
That would imply 4 exists, which doesn't.
>>383279880
Because Boost is inherently shit in 3D compared to Adventure platforming, so two mediocre gameplay styles didn't drag each other down like making the mechs and hunting stages play worse than Adventure did
Pick your levels you want MANIA'D.
>>383280074
>like making the mechs and hunting stages play worse than Adventure did
Hang on. If Sonic Adventure 2 has fewer characters, yet you claim their mechanics are worse? Then doesn't that contradict your argument? With fewer play styles, and more time, shouldn't the mechanics have gotten better?
>>383280102
Azure Lake.
CD can't go between 2 and 3 or between 3 and K because those 2 games all immediately leads into the next. CD can go between 1 and 2, or between K and M, or after M.
I think it goes: 1, CD, 2, 3&K, and then M.
>>383280010
Oh so you're one of those, "I don't like it so it didn't happen" people, aren't you?
Sucks to be you,twit.
>>383280326
No shit CD takes place between 1 and 2. There's no Tails and Sonic's Spindash was crap
>>383280339
Who the fuck actually likes Sonic 4, let alone more than any of the Classic games?
>>383280339
>"It was shit and a disgrace to the predecessors so it didn't happen"
Fixed it for you, pumpkin boo.
>>383280547
>red herring
I never said Sonic 4 was good.
>>383280602
Strange that we haven't had a Sonic game in six years then, huh?
>>383260824
>He came during the initial airship sequence
Hydrocity must have been painful
>>383280339
It didn't happen because it's no longer officially acknowledged in any capacity, it was cancelled before it was finished, it's never referenced, Sega wants to forget about it just as much as Sonic fans want to forget about it. There's no reason to care about or consider it anymore.
>>383280102
>that mural on Hidden Palace zone
DEEPEST
LORE
>>383280641
Sonic Lost World was 2013, cupcake. They've been setting up Mania and Forces since then.
>>383280741
Why even bother reasoning with these 4 apologist subhumans? They're fucked in the head and are a lost cause.
>>383280339
>Game ends in a cliffhanger
>It's never going to be followed up
Yeah, sure it happened
>>383280848
Sonic Lost World? I've never heard of it! Are you pretending things exist when they MOST CERTAINLY don't exist?
>>383280102
>Only level I REALLY wanted back was Flying Battery because it's my favourite
Feels good, guess I'd be down for Mystic Cave for a remix of the theme
>>383281067
>there is actually a sonic 4 fan in the world
>he really does have no idea what he's talking about
Holy shit this is sad.
>>383281183
>Use your own logic
>"Ha look at this idiot!"
>>383281330
>doesn't get the logic
>still pretends that he does
>>383273249
It's $18 m8
>>383281330
>Game that ends with a cliffhanger and isn't ever going to be followed up due to Sega no longer giving a fuck about it
Sometimes playing Devil's Advocate really, REALLY isn't worth it
>>383281156
Mystic Cave is supposed to be a haunted mine right? I feel like they never fully realized that level's potential. They should play up the spooky aspect. While still making it funky.
Like what they did in Sonic Heroes. The hunted mansion is one of their funkier songs.
>>383281330
Except there's a gigantic difference between a game canonically not happening, like in 4's case, and a game nobody cares about, like in Lost World and in 4's case.
Also, I'm not even that Anon. You just sound like a fucking retard and I'm pointing it out. Retard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j0q2DbXgAc
>TFW This is act 1 music
>>383281330
>>383281067
The red Zeti from Lost World, Zavok, is in Forces. Sega still acknowledges Lost World. The Lightning Wisp in Forces is also from the 3DS version of Lost World. Sega still acknowledges that game. Meanwhile, Sega themselves cancelled Sonic 4, they themselves are the ones saying it no longer matters.
>>383278446
I like it. After so many easy levels (and the endless pits in Mystic Cave), Metropolis Zone remembers you that this is not a cutscene and that you should for once look where are you going. It's an ordeal that you have to go through, after all you are on the end of the game. And yes, it's 3 acts long because fuck you.
>>383278446
Marble Zone.
>>383281496
Continue living in your lala land where you can cherry pick which games exist or dont exist.Probably one of those #notmypresident protestors.
>>383281580
Prove it.
>>383282000
But Sonic Lost World never fucking happened because it's shit, remember? They introduced Zavok in an Olympics game. But wait, that was shit too! This is going to be Zavok's first appearance.
>>383282508
You're such a bitter cunt
>>383266269
I just want super mecha sonic from sonic 3 and knuckles.
>>383282508
Keep deluding yourself 4 is worth a shit, because Sega or the rest of the mentally stable fans sure as fuck won't.
>>383282508
I'm not the one deciding this shit, Sega is. Take it up with them if you're so bitter about Sega preferring Lost World over 4.
>>383282508
You're a fucking hypocrite.
>>383281156
>tfw knucklesfag
>tfw seeing how great his animations are
Feels fucking amazing.
Lost World wasn't the best game but it at least had interesting new gameplay concepts that just got bogged down with bad level design. All of the parkour shit was great and I hope it comes back in the future. The kick thing could be refined into something that makes more sense, the ability to kick enemies into other enemies speeds up combat and does have the potential to be very functionally different from a homing attack where the primary focus is air mobility and locking on to important objects. Sonic 4 added nothing but garbage level design.
>>383280102
3&K Death egg. Probably my favorite final level in any game
So, is there any concrete evidence that 4 is retconned, and not just "hurr it's shit"? If CD is canon, it's really not too far-stretched to have 4 be canon as well.
>>383283837
>Sonic 1's final level was Scrap Brain
>Sonic 2's was Wind Fortress
>Sonic CD's was Metallic Madness
3&K's Death Egg is by far the absolute best in the series. I don't think any 2D spinoff game even comes close either
>>383283612
damn thirsty hoe where's my season 2
>>383283923
4 ended in a cliffhanger that never got resolved, because Sega themselves cancelled the whole planned Episode 3.
>>383280102
Bring back Wacky Workbench.
>>383283923
The fact Little Planet was turned into Death Egg Mk. II and that's a plot thread that will never be brought up ever again
The fact Stardust Speedway is in Mania actually contradicts Sonic 4. And you're a faggot the thread's constantly shat on
>>383283923
Name one thing that references Sonic 4 in any way that isn't Sonic 4. Anything. Any game, spin-off, background element, anything at all. Find Sega talking about Sonic 4 in the last 4-5 years. Find anything that connects anything TO Sonic 4, not Sonic 4 connecting to anything else. It's impossible, it doesn't exist. You can, however, find every other Sonic game getting play constantly outside of shit that also doesn't matter like Sonic R.
>>383284127
What was the cliffhanger exactly? Metal Sonic was destroyed again in Episode II, getting all the Chaos Emeralds doesn't do anything.
>>383284050
Everyone who worked on PSG has left at this point
>>383283612
All 3 characters have amazing animations. Tails is fucking adorable.
>>383282508
I'm an adventurecuck and I'm glad I'm not you. Fucking kill yourself.
Why they use Sonic 1/2 sprites instead of 3?
>>383284417
3 had shit sprites
>>383284349
Oh I don't know, the fact that Little Planet's still trapped in the fully intact Death Egg Mk II?
>>383284417
1+2's design is more iconic
>>383284236
That brings up my point of CD again though, and Stardust Speedway is still in Mania.
>>383284260
Death Egg mkII was destroyed though, Little Planet was freed again. We don't know what idea the devs are using to bring Sonic back to these old levels, whether its time/space disruption like Generations or something else. It could possibly still coexist with 4's Stardust Speedway if there's some spooky dimensional shit.
>>383284050
NEVER EVER
>>383284370
I'd hit that
>>383284646
>That brings up my point of CD again though, and Stardust Speedway is still in Mania.
Yeah, because CD's canon unlike 4, which was retconned because nobody likes that piece of shit.
>>383284475
Tails had the exact same sprite
>>383284745
Stop that right now
Oh shit, I never realized that Little Planet was never freed at the end of Episode II.
I concede, 4fag has fallen. /v/ wins again.
>>383242704
I have not been following the sonic threads as of late but I just want to say Eggman/Robotnik is the most likeable villain of all time.
Best sonic character too.
>>383284829
yup
>>383284819
>the exact same
No he didn't.
>>383284901
>>383285017
>>383268029
It's the same style, just the shading is different
>>383284025
I kinda like scrap brain too, but death egg just screams "FINAL LEVEL". It also has criminally underrated music
>>383285154
Some sprites like the flying one are outright redrawn.
>>383278728
Sega only acknowledges it as such for the same reason why they did back when it was released: two Sonic games sell better than one. Anyone with a brain can tell you it's just Sonic 3 split in half to cut production costs and to milk more cash from the cow.
>>383285004
good to see
>>383285054
what is the context of this image
>>383285054http://www.furaffinity.net/view/19074722/
Eggman will team up with Sonic in Mania for atleast one boss fight, you heard it here first.
>>383285192I like it too Anon. I actually like all the Sonic final stages cause they're all pretty tough and fun to slog through with pretty great visuals
>>383285324
Sonic Generations post-credits scene
>>383285324
Final Sonic Generations cutscene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhKhd5GX3LU
This website's pure kino.
http://sonic.sega.jp/SonicMania/
I'm gonna miss 3 acts per zone with unique music for each, Mania only has 2 per zone right?
>>383285337
>>383285498
>>383285580
thanks
old eggman is adorable
>>383285346
>Le epic secret final boss villain that takes over the plot XDDD
no please
no please
>>383244945
I know this was hours ago, but I just woke up.
A. like the other anon said, there's not footage for the missing parts.
B. The game's out next month (jesus the game's out next month, so close!), someone will definitely have all of the maps ripped, in a much nicer looking fashion.
>>383285654
>Mania only has 2 per zone right?
Yes and thank God for that because 3 acts is WAY too much. Don't even get me started on Chaotix and Colours.
>>383242774
>slingerland is helping too
How many fucking people from Retro do they have working on this?
>>383286013
Don't know about Chaotix but Colors definitely would've benefited from 4 acts instead of 6, each zone had at least 1-2 filler acts, sometimes more, and that just sucks.
>>383286013
>Everyone says Colors is too short
>There's 6 fucking levels for each world
Colors has honestly some of the worst pacing of any "3D" game in the series. Despite the fact like 4 of the Lost World levels were just shitty, 30-second long padding
Why is it such a drag?
The real question is will there ever a developer who can correctly do a 3D game? 20 years and no successful results yet.
>>383286045
>>slingerland is helping too
On the level design specifically, Chemical Plant act 2 was by him (mostly at least).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04nBdQU9rbc
>>383286245
>Don't know about Chaotix
It had five fucking acts per zone.
>>383286295
>Lost World
I meant Colors, I don't know why I put Lost World in there
Post YFW this is the final boss
>>383286304
GHPAnon and Lange have provided the best proof of concepts so far. We'll see how they refine things from there.
>>383286304
We had a thread about this yesterday with the sonic utopia guy
Basically instead of properly adapting old sonic, or just going with the strength of new sonic they try to recreate old sonic with set piece and spectacle. Then they add some shitty gimmick on top and a load of 2D stuff cause they lack confidence in the base game they have made.
>>383286295
Because a lot of the levels in Colors were originally supposed to be connected, but the Wii couldn't handle it so what would have been Act 1 gets chopped up into Acts 1, 2, 3, and 4 and just so they don't feel stale they add challenges to them to make them different.
>YFW Beat Metal Sonic in a raceEvery single Mecha sonic appears and have a 4 way race against them all
>>383286728
>Never get a port of colors
>Get Lost World instead
>>383284646
>Death Egg mkII was destroyed though, Little Planet was freed again.
At the end of Ep 2, Sonic and Tails flee the Death Egg Mk II though.
>>383286901
Definitely weird, Colors is my favorite Sonic game, and while I still have a Wii and Wii U to play it on, having it on PC would be nice too, especially since (as far as we know) Colors wasn't made under any exclusivity deal unlike Lost World.
>>383286779
>Have the first time I beat Metal Sonic without damage recorded
https://webmshare.com/g8x4Y
>>383286987
Yup, acknowledged my mistake >>383284824
Kinda sad about that, hopefully an Episode III or Sonic 5 comes to continue the story and then close it off to help everything make sense, but we all know that's never happening.
>>383287138
>but we all know that's never happening.
For the better honestly.
>>383287452
It's all opinions man, this board's flamed me enough for mine already.
Hey, Sonic 4 fans, can you explain why you like it and think it's better than all other Sonic games?
So there's totally going to be a hidden character, right?
I'm placing my bets on classic Amy or Metal Sonic, since we haven't seen either one of them yet.
>>383287797
becuss its FAST XD
>>383287797
Think I'm the actual only 4fag here, I started all the other 4 discussion up above too.
I don't think it's best Sonic, but it is my favorite mainline 2D Sonic, meaning, yes, I like it over CD and 1-3. I use 4 as a fun stress reliever, something I just romp through when I'm feeling down or tired or something and don't feel like doing anything else. I find it a lot easier easier to maintain forward momentum yet also explore multiple paths with Tails' flying ability. I just find it to be overall more fun, especially with the Red Rings since I have a hard-on for those.
I have all the 2D games on Steam, 1-3 look terribly stretched and it just feels uncomfortable to play without actual widescreen, I love the CD remaster though and it's right behind 4 for me. That being said, I'm still very very very excited for Mania and have it preordered on Steam thanks to a very generous Anon.
>>383288017
If there's a hidden character then I'd actually expect it to be Mighty because a) a bunch of fans have been asking about him, and b) he's literally just a Sonic recolor so it's less work.
>>383288448
was 4 your first one?
>>383280102Crisis city
>>383280102
Marble
Labyrinth
Aquatic Ruin
Mystic Cave
Hidden Palace
Quartz Quadrant
Ice Cap
Azure Lake
Sandopolis
Lava Reef
>>383288448
Sounds like 4 was your first 2D Sonic game
>on Steam
And there's another strike against you, play the originals on something that doesn't make them look and play like shit.
>>383288448
>a generous anon gifted Mania to a fucking Sonic 4 subhuman
Man, I'd feel like shit if I was him.
>>383289115
I wouldn't. The more the game sells the better.
>>383288709
Nope, I got into gaming really late due to strict and orthodox immigrant parents, my first Sonic game was actually Sonic Genesis on the GBA.
Then I played the Advance and later Rush games, first console game was Heroes, then jumped to Colors and played every game onwards barring 4. Played 1-3 2 years ago, CD and 4 last year.
>>383288895
Any recommendations? I actually really enjoyed 3&K's level design and music, just felt wrong playing it on PC though. Praying for a Whitehead remaster, also hoping 1 and 2's remasters get on PC even if I didn't find them to be all that great or memorable.
>>383289115
I only made it obvious I was a 4fag after it was gifted, though that wasn't intentional.
Daily reminder that Forces will outsell Mania by the bucket load, simply because of a physical release, and sega bought out the fucking big guns, the true behemoth of autism they sealed behind a locked gate with 1000 locks only promising themselves they would unleash unless it was needed
THE OC CREATOR
which caters to autism, which'll sell billions.
inb4 Forces outsells Mania so hard, that we never get a fucking sequel, and Mania just stands as a standing point in gaming for WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN.
If FUCKING only Mania was going up against Sonic Boom, can you imagine, we would of got the entire franchise going the 2D way, instead, it's going up against something that no game can stop, that OC creator. All is lost.
>>383289530
>my first Sonic game was actually Sonic Genesis on the GBA
That explains everything, low standards.
>>383290042
The OC creator really should've been the centerpiece of its own game. I know people love memeing about how Sonic rips of Dragon Ball, but a Sonic XenoVerse would've been absolutely perfect. Instead it's a half-assed feature with half-assed gameplay in yet another half-assed game that tries to appeal to as many retards as possible to make up for the complete inability of Sonic Team to do any one thing well, which has been going on since Adventure.
>>383290042
I feel like the idea you can make Donut the Steal seems better on paper than in practice. Although we joke and talk about how all the autists are gonna hop on that shit, a lot of the worst Sonic OCs were from 10 years ago and were sparkledog tier in terms of character design. Plus no foxes or echidnaslolPendersis gonna hurt the creativity for said autists
It's likely Forces will do better than Mania, but if anything it's because you said it's because of the physical release
>>383290042
I think both Forces and Mania will sell great and more games like Mania will get released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG2dXobAXLI
Just came out, very relevant.
>>383290042
You'd be right if the OCs weren't so restricted
Lack of options, only in certain levels plus you don't get to be a super special mary su who marries Knuckles who is a girl now.
>>383291223
it doesn't matter how good/shit the oc creator is
the fact it exists in a trailer, just as a real thing has guaranteed the autism to buy it
it doesn't matter, it just needs to be some kind of creator, and in a official sonic game, done.
you take for granted how much shit sonic fans will lap up.
>>383291417
Maybe like 10 years ago
Sonic fanbase was at its worst during the 06 era. Nowadays it's mostly just a bunch of chill YouTubers or the autists documenting everything Classic on Sonic Retro with the occasional furaffinity twat or Chris Chan trying to be relevant again
>>383291417
Seriously, look at them all going gaga over Mania.
>>383289530
>>383289804
If you're still unimpressed by 1 and 2, and it's 3K's level design and music alone you find enjoyable, I don't think you've truly grasped the genius of the games, and 4's true faults.
Give the four of them (1, 2, CD, and 3K) another playthrough some time, and while playing, abuse the FUCK out of rolling; use it as an attack when you approach a badnik on the ground; make sure you do it every time you hit a speed booster, spring, or begin going downhill.
When you're going fast up a slope, jump at the peak of it for massive air.
When you jump and land on an enemy or monitor below you, make sure you're holding down the jump button for an incredible rebound back to your original height.
I'll post a few webms to help illustrate some of this stuff.
No guarantee that you'll stop liking 4, and there's no need for you to do so. But gaining a true appreciation for the depth of the mechanics inherent to the original quartet is paramount to understanding why 4 really comes up short for most of us.
Also: if you're playing on PC, I recommend just emulating 1, 2, and 3K (play the Sonic 3 Complete ROM hack) in Kega Fusion. Or try and pick up Mega Collection if you have a console that'll play it. And lastly, you're playing with a controller, right?
>>383292792
>>383242704
This sounds really bad. I've heard better Genesis/32X arrangements. I really don't get why this guy is praised as much as he is. He's not that good.
Also, it says "for fun", so I imagine this is a one-off thing, not something in the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxiWVTH0Jdk
:3
>>383293010
It's like a fucking sum41 song
>>383293010
It's shit.
>>383292895
>>383292792
>>383292895
Thank you based Anon, I replay CD almost as much as I replay 4, honestly the only thing holding it back for me is that the spindash just doesn't feel very powerful, It's a small thing but it matters to me for some reason. I definitely will go back to 1-3 eventually though, especially if I love Mania. What you've displayed is still possible in 4 to some degree, but I can very clearly see its faults compared to just what you can do with 1-3's physics.
Doesn't help that 4 essentially has two engines, episodes were a mistake.
>>383267283
>the Special Stages are Blue Spheres but slightly easier
...Are you kidding me? Blue Spheres is easy as shit. How could anyone possibly find it difficult?
>>383293346
What Sum41 songs sound anything like that?
>>383293564
I used to be able to do them so easily as a kid but nowadays I get too tense when the stages get faster. Growing old sucks, don't do it
>>383293534
>What you've displayed is still possible in 4 to some degree
Not even close, try doing anything like >>383292792 in Sonic 4, you can't.
>>383293534
The original underpowered spindash works in CD, because it keeps the Super Peel Out from being obselete. Peel Out is stronger, while Spin Dash is safer.Of course, you could just roll right after a Peel Out, but that's a tad more esoteric, considering how few people think to roll in general.
Yeah, unfortunately, both of 4's engines fail to live up. And it's not just a fault of Sonic 4. Both Generations and Forces (from what we've seen) likewise fail to grasp the basic mechanics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R16IBC_kD5o
Notice in the examples for 1, 2, and 3 there, it's literally just gravity that's making you go fast down these hills. In the modern games (4, Generations, etc) you would be incapable of going this fast on your own, and would instead be propelled by a series of boosters.
>>383282508
Friendly reminder that even the Sonic Social Team routinely dunks on Sonic 4, and one of the guys was the brand manager for the games.
4's not coming back and is in the same dunking tier as 06 and the Boom Games.
>>383294082
Was actually just playing Generations right now to see how it feels compared to 4 and CD, and god it feels terrible. Jumps are static and don't vary on button press, quick spindashes don't come out in only 1-2 charges, startup feels really slow, it just feels wrong, especially with the abundance of boosters. 4 suffers from the booster problem as well, but I've been able to circumvent it and just have fun by flying around with Tails in Episode II, the exploration is nowhere near as grand as something liek CD, but finding all the Red Rings is fun.
Thank you for showing me the light instead of endlessly trashing me Anon, I won't forget you and your efforts. Will definitely replay 1-3 asap now. Gotta keep working on CD too, that Tidal Tempest webm was insane.
>>383286045
>Taxman
>Stealth
>Slingerland
>Original Sonic 2 HD Team
>GeneHF is on the social team
>Falk
Is Sonic Retro taking over Sega?Thank god.
>>383259106
>want to replay sonic 2
>can't use actual 16:9 on an emulator
>>383294174
I kinda love how Sonic PR is nearly all shitposting now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnwXmFwVSVM
In a weird way it is almost like how Sonic tapped into 90s culture so well, he taps into shitposting just as well
>>383291417
I think you are overselling he appeal of the OC creator. Sonic's fanbase has lots of autists, but it isn't entirely OC DONUT STEEL furry autists. the majority of sonic autists are exactly the kind of people who Mania is perfectly catered to. nostalgiafags who orgasm over Sonic 1-3&K. (mind you, those same people are often the ones who also orgasm over SA2) a proper Sonic 4, or Adventure 3, has been what almost the entire fanbase has been asking for for years. While Forces is a shitty generations 2 cash in that gets overshadowed by a fucking 2D sprite game. it's a sonic game that brings back bad memories of the dark ages of 3D sonic games with all of its choices
>>383294796
Get an Android emulator.
>>383294592
No problem, always glad to help someone understand!
Also, if you haven't already done this, you should get the good ending of CD without the time stones. Travel to the past in each level, and find both the robot generator and the Metal Sonic hologram.
It takes some dedicated exploration to find the past signs and the things you need to destroy, and it takes some experimentation to find a good spot to maintain a constant top speed in order to time travel. But it's very worth it. That's what the level design is built around.
>get to Metal Sonic's boss fight
>this plays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE21Rde8VDU
>>383295054
>Metal Sonic hologram
Those aren't required for the good ending.
>>383294945
I like that Sonic Forces feels like the first Sonic game that wasn't some dumb, play it safe parody of the series that's been the case between Colors and Lost World but everything else just seems so wrong like Sonic Team is regressing to 06 territory
Except it won't be total shit because they're playing it safe by using the formula they established that works since Unleashed
>>383291834
>Nowadays it's mostly just a bunch of chill YouTubers or the autists documenting everything
Honestly I really love this. I like listening to someone who is really passionate and open on a topic.
i don't always agree with them but you can tell some of these guys do know a lot about the series and have really thought about it.
>>383294597
Wait Falk is working on Mania?
>>383295465
yep, with tee lopes on the soundtrack
>>383295413
Still the best analyst:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AK3n-srj5E
>>383295465
Yeah, see Stealth's post at the bottom: >>383242774
>>383252128
https://youtu.be/pxiWVTH0Jdk
>>383295465
They got together the fucking dream team for classic Sonic everything. At this point I don't even know if Yuji Naka himself could pull together a better classic Sonic game.
>>383295708
It is sad that I have sat and listened to all of these, wish he did more videos in general. His ideas for a 3D sonic sounds really similar to utopia in retrospect
>>383244945
Is this just Act 1 in Mania?
If returning zones are gonna be good portions of both old Acts in Act 1 and all new stuff in Act 2 then I have absolutely no issue with over half the game being classic zones.
>>383295348
Colors was absolutely not play it safe.
First the colors themselves could have been badly received, also it featured more 2D levels as opposted to 3D levels, this helps the player appreciate the atmosphere and stay in levels longer, building a connection with each planet you visit.
The boost levels in Unleashed or Generations were built for pure speed with reflex jumping. Colors was more exploratory and closer to the kind of platforming you'd do in the classic games.
>>383251494
Rush 1 was garbage. It nearly had every problem Sonic 4 did plus the boost gimmick and worse level designs. At least the music was okay I guess. Advance 1 and Rush Adventure are the only great handheld Sonic games. Advance 2 and Colors DS were okay. The rest were bad or terrible.
>>383295943
I watched all of the parts plus completely re-watched the first one a second time, it's just too good. The Sonic 4 fag should really consider watching it.
>>383295954
>Is this just Act 1 in Mania?
Yeah, that's just act 1.
>>383296031
Colors was nothing like the Classic games and it's the epitome of playing it safe
>Cut out the Werehog
>The gimmick of the game is 90% optional, all of them basically just Mario power ups
>Story cuts down everyone to just Sonic, Tails and Eggman + his dumb robots
>We have no faith in our Boost gameplay so here's a bunch of half-baked Mario 2D levels with a double jump to make up for the shit physics
>Bosses are even more pathetic than usual
If Sonic didn't have the boost I'd be hard-pressed to even call it a Sonic game. Shit was hyped up way too much as Sonic's return to form when in reality it's just the least busted game he's been in for years
>>383266269
These two as a mini boss.
>>383296031
>flat blocky platforming
>anything like the classic games
Fuck off, poser. Colours barely feels like a Sonic game at all.
>>383296031
>appreciate the atmosphere
By building a barrier between you and the level?
>stay in levels longer
In one minute stages?
>Colors was more exploratory and closer to the kind of platforming you'd do in the classic games
By completely missing the point with gameplay unfit for it.
>>383296031
>Colors was more exploratory and closer to the kind of platforming you'd do in the classic games.
I enjoyed Color's but it had no momentum based platforming.
>>383296325
Yeah it didn't really take risks, but people liked it because it cut out most of the bullshit from previous games. As mediocre as the sidescrolling portions were they were still less miserable to play than the werehog levels, the weaker Adventure characters, and the entirety of 06.
So how will these returning/remixed old stages going to effect replayability of this game and the originals?
I really hope Mania 2 will be all original levels.
>>383296747
>how will these returning/remixed old stages going to effect replayability
They won't because those act 2s look God tier.
>>383296747
Act 1 will be similar to the old level, remixed layout but returning setpieces and elements. Act 2 is an entirely new take of the original stage. New gameplay concepts and new elements. All in all I don't think it'll matter much, it's more using the theme again rather than just dropping the old stages in.
New thread if anyone wants to keep this going
>>383296896
>>383296476
A lot of stages are 5-7 minutes.
>>383296747
Depending on how major the act 2 alterations end up being I wouldn't mind more remakes/reimaginings of classic levels in a potential sequel. Or maybe a Mania spinoff that's nothing but reimagined classic levels while proper Mania 2 is all-new stuff. I loved playing the remixed classic levels in Generations and Mania seems to be doing them even better.
>>383296747
You can be rest assured that if this game sells well, and Sega sees the demand, they'll give Whitehead and co the full reigns and allow them to go fucking -insane- in the sequel, just balls off the wall maddest sonic game yet.
And anwyay, the act 2 of each of these zones is basically a new zone, they're amazing
>>383296743
Which is the point of my final sentence
>in reality it's just the least busted game he's been in for years
People were so excited to play a Sonic game that wasn't inherently broken that they were willing to look passed how un-Sonic like it really was
>>383297314
Werehog and the lesser Adventure stuff weren't really broken, they just played like ass. 06 and some of the shittier ports (Adventure HD, GBA Sonic 1) were the only broken ones.