The sooner the game industry crashes, the sooner mainstream audiences

this industry.... needs an enema...... *unsheathes katana*

>>383233530

Vidya is now a $100 billion a year industry. It isn't crashing you fucking underage shit

>>383233530
>indie

lol

>>383233530
Go all in with the SJW pandering. Trust me, it killed the audience of Marvel comics. The movies will die soon, too, and then good comics will finally come back. We need to give them enough rope to hang themselves with. There's very little we "need" to do other than sit back and watch.

>>383233530
Why would i want the industry to crash when big studios still make the best games by far?

>>383233530
>industry that literally makes more money than Hollywood
>crashing

You're a fucking moron, m8

>>383233891
This is just my observation, and I might be completely wrong, but big industries only make the best games now because they killed the smaller guys that used to take chances and make more specialized titles.

>>383233718
>>383233995
>What is market cannabalization?

>>383233623
Perfect.

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>>383234091
>market cannibalization
Explain.

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>>383233718
A $100 billion industry padding its numbers with adtech revenue from mobile games and AAA marketing campaigns.
The games themselves are built on the backs of at-will (((employees))) seeing less than a collective 0.1% of the games total profits in their paychecks. All after working unsustainable long hours both physically and mentally destructive with no union to correct the abusive hiring and project management practices.
Not even the CS and design schools see enough freshmeat to cover the AAA slaughterhouse burnout rates at a sustainable pace.
When the laborers cease to exist, so will the industry behind it. Marketing team ready to shovel shit or not.

Call it marxism if you want. It's reality.

>>383234091
>but big industries only make the best games now because they killed the smaller guys
Piracy killed the smaller guys.

>>383234224
>>383234208
>>383233995
>>383233718
I'm not saying that video games will be gone forever, I'm just saying that this is a necessary cycle that needs to advance, and that the faster it does the better.

A lot of the same games and franchises you know and love will still be around, companies will change names and faces, but it can only change things for the best.

Imagine a market where triple A titles have to come up with something fresh and exciting to entice customers rather than just rehash the same shit with a glossier paint job ever eight months.

>>383234490
The smaller guys were dying out long before piracy became common.

>>383234510
>something fresh and exciting to entice customers

Annual rehashes are the top selling games each year. Face it, it's fucking over. The sooner you come the accept it, the better.

>>383234490
Also true.

I imagine it like big companies shot 'em in the ass, then piracy just trampled over them while they were pleading for help.

>>383234603
>Face it, it's fucking over.
Explain.

Specifically what do you mean?

>>383234603
this. something original comes out you call it one of these things ironically:
>artfagshit
>weebshit
>furshit
>indieshit
>pixelshit
While the rest of the general public parrots it for real then runs out to buy CoD18 and Fifa49.

>>383233530
>Fun_Police.jpg

How do we make the bigger companies pander to us again?

That's what we want right?

I mean, I just want good games with good gameplay and to not be annoyed by SJW pandering political bullshit literally every 2 seconds in every single Western title, but it would also be nice and even "edgy" if they started pandering to us, wouldn't it?

GTA, for example. If they go the left wing route next time, they are going to look played out. I can't see them avoiding political topics, either. Rockstar is an industry leader if not THE industry leader. How do we take advantage of this?

Related, not trying to get all /pol/ here but, when will CNN and other media outlets begin to embrace right wing traditionalism? That's what needs to happen. There needs to be a culture shift. We can't stop fighting for this. It's necessary for literally countless reasons. It'll happen, but we need to speed it up, regardless.

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Doesn't the vidya industry make as much as Hollywood nowadays? I don't see it crashing, not unless there is a great recession or something.

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>literal faggots, hambeasts, furries, trannies, dykes, etc make their own video games
>/v/: WHY DOESN'T ANYONE MAKE THE VIDYA I WANT?

Holy shit, go and make your own games. Making vidya has never been easier.

>How do we make the bigger companies pander to us again?
Become the vocal majority that actually pays for games. That's A LOT of normies you have to beat out by sheer numbers. Good fucking luck.

Normies never get tired of eating shit. I know people who have been subbed to WoW for 10 years. Not because they play it, but because they simply forgot they have autosub on.

When EA figures out how to do that with their franchises, gaming is fucked.

>>383234991
To add, I think Japanese games and Nintendo specifically do a great job handling their subject matter ie. they keep fucking politics out of it. I think and hope we can be more like them in the future.

>>383233530
>You know... The kind of games that video game enthusiasts actually want to play.
The same kind of "enthusiats" who keep flooding the board with garbage like Overwatch? People has just bad taste in general nowadays, there is no large crowd of enthusiats anymore, it's either indie games or AAA rehases-

>>383234865
If it's getting called weebshit or pixelshit, that's often already another problem the dev brought upon themselves.

>>383235158
Normies also follow trends. They're going to get bored eventually, right? It's happening slowly but surely with comics, as I mentioned earlier. Us hardcore gamers, as gay as it sounds, will the ones who last. I also don't expect SJWs to hang around long in this industry as they don't have to guts or the brainpower to handle such demanding requests.

>>383235175

>nintendo regularly censors games to avoid offending SJW's
>keeping politics out of it

Retard

>>383235303
Don't they only do that in the West? I've never been a huge Nintendo fan.

Lick my balls.

>>383235303
>pleasing SJW's
The games would be much worse if that were the case.

General cultural sensibilities =/= pleasing the attention whores. Look at Ubisoft, Activision or EA for true examples of that.

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>>383235302
>They're going to get bored eventually,

a..any day now

>>383235246
fucking skins man...

even Quake Champions is a free to play model with fucking skins

just end me

bring back ruthless competitive games that aren't balanced around people who swallow every fucking marvel movie that comes out

>>383235487
The bubble will burst once another trend comes along. I'm just not sure what that will be. I do think quality in games have dropped to a point that even normies are beginning to notice, one by one.

I think spreading information is the best solution.

>>383235576
phone games will kill PC and console gaming

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>>383235576

i..it has to crash eventually guys

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>>383235576
It's not happening. Normies hijacked console/PC a long time ago. Nothing will change that. Especially not VR.

>>383235828
>PC going down phone games rising

Phones games will kill PC and console gaming

what are you even talking about, the indie industry is the best it's ever been. it has all the tools and crowdfunding gives it all the money, the only thing an indie needs to do is propose something interesting and it will happen.

>>383234510

The industry's playing it like Hollywood does with rehash after rehash that gets gobbled up.

>>383235902
>forecast
You can't play CoD on a phone. That's what this infograph is completely wrong about. Current market shows mobile games in decline across the board.

>>383235756
Are you retarded or do you not know how these things work? If you think you're some kind of businessman then you're even sadder for not recognizing basic patterns when it comes to this stuff. Fucking idiot.

>>383233530
Please stop being a faggot, and don't try to be chums with everyone.

There are as many games for video game enthusiasts now as there ever were.

You can just not worry about the games you don't perceive as catering to you.

>>383235641
Unlikely.

But if you believe that, you might argue it already has.

>>383235969
that's where you're wrong.. played FPS on a shitty phone like 5 yrs ago now, you can easily play CoD on a phone

plus people will get sick of CoD eventually..right

>>383236043
>don't try to be chums with everyone

Where are you from, friendo? You live in the US?

>>383236043
Also, this. There are plenty of other options available. Video games have gotten to the same point as TV, movies, and music, with 90 percent of it being normie shit made purely for money. You can still find good stuff if you look.

I have a feeling most of it is on PC, though.

Who cares about western game devs anymore? They put out like three or four truly good games a year. Long live Japan! Glory to the rising sun!

>>383234991
>>383235175
Because Tumblrites, furfags and SJWs have more initiative and creativity than the right which only knows how to complain.

Why don't you create your own games to sell your ideology then? I doubt they will sell at all though.

>>383235568
I don't understand why people have a problem with customization/cosmetics as a sustained business model.
Isn't usually a good thing, since sustained business model usually translates to sustained development?

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>>383234224
>actually believing this

You're discounting the enjoyment of a job, and how those people making games generally enjoy creating them. They get paid adequately, but of course, a profit share would be nice. But your argument is still fundamentally retarded.

Would you say the same about the movie industry? Because its exactly the same sort of structure.

>A $100 billion industry padding its numbers with adtech revenue from mobile games and AAA marketing campaigns

This is where I know you are fundamentally retarded as a person. How do you expect the money to be made without advertising? "A good product sells itself"? Re-assess your life, please.

>>383236028

The last vidya crash was in 1983 due to completely different factors. It's been 34 years and there hasn't been another crash and there won't be one in the near future. Now fuck off.

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>>383236156
What a shitty self-induced thread bump.

Your contrarian shitposting is stupid. This thread is stupid.

>>383236225
We will, we do. We make better games than you guys do. White men still control the gaming industry. It's just unfortunate that affirmative action and liberal fascism is killing the industry, currently. I'll stick with Japan until then.

>>383236281
Development of what? Most games these days are utter shit and are easy as fuck. Made for 12 year olds with rich Moms. Believe me, I know. I have two step brothers who play games only to blow things up and shoot stuff and "feel like a badass". It's a joke. Games are made for literal kids. They can be so much more. Capitalism is cancer.

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>>383233837

>>383236281
cause it's total bullshit in competetive games where optimally you'd be able to change the settings to whatever the fuck you want so you can play better, but instead you get a cluster fuck of different skins and ability colors, some of which are objectively better then others.

Seems like the only active sustained development is MORE SKINS so they can make more fucking money

>>383236284
You would be right, if it didn't have such a huge turnover rate, and he's correct. Labor can exist without capital, but not the other way around.

>>383236293
The economy isn't doing too well and game companies are getting too greedy. Plus, we have the internet and places like 4chan becoming more popular and relevant, especially since November. It'll happen, just wait.

>>383236343
Good luck, I anticipate seeing the threads making fun of the right equivalent of:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/348270/Social_Justice_Warriors/

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>>383236284
>actually being this retarded
Sure, whatever. I'll fuck you up too, child:

>You're discounting the enjoyment of a job
14 hour crunchtimes 7 days a week for weeks t months on end for pittance pay at some point stops becoming enjoyment.

>They get paid adequately,
KEK

>How do you expect the money to be made without advertising?
How is that AT ALL related to a fucking thing I said? Actually read the post before you reply.

Don't talk like you know shit about a road if you've never walked it.

>>383234224
This is awesome. Also, it's not necessarily Marxism. Nazis believe the exact same thing. Just saying ;)

>>383236281
also when balancing/expanding a game is for your market who is there for loot boxes and skins, you really get patches that are aimed at making the game easier and more accesible.

You also get a bunch of soft cunts who are so scared of voice chat you don't get it despite the fact it's a mother fucking team game.

LoL/HotS

>>383236657
>The economy isn't doing too well
>8 consecutive years of GDP growth
>unemployment down to 4.3%
>wages and household income up

Fuck off, retard.

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>>383236802
I just want to say that I unironically wish death upon you.

>>383236343
>Liberal fascism
Wow, you're retarded.

>>383236805
Isn't Valve one of the worst offenders with CS:GO and Dota 2 with their item markets?

CS:GO's design literally promotes match fixing and betting (usually under age kids)

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>>383233530
>Then small indipendent studios will be able to gain some ground
indie studios currently exist BECAUSE the industry is doing so well you dumb fuck

This is one of the worst threads I've ever seen on /v/, I genuinely feel embarrassed.

>>383236929
And you're, what? 16? Maybe 20 or so if American.

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>wanting a crash
>when indie developers produce nothing but pixel garbage and walking simulators

ITT: Butthurt shills.

>>383236981
>I'm not american so I'm smart
Where are you from then?

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>>383233530
Pull your head out of your ass, indie developers can and do already make whatever the fuck they want in whatever niche they want. Just because you're a goddamn moron and can't see two feet past your own fat face doesn't mean the world stops existing beyond your realm of perception.

>>383233530
>>383234091
>>383234224
>>383234510
i made it this far. are you by chance a 14 y/o because it's like you've never had a job and you dont even understand the words you are using and the things you are suggesting.

you aren't even making much sense, probably just using words you saw on /biz/ and thought you knew what they ment.


video games as an industry is not going to burst as a bubble or "cannibalize"
jesus christ, the other half of the world is RETARDED

>>383237031
how do we revive AA gaming? These were alway the best of both worlds

>>383237091
Canadian. If you don't think liberal fascism is a thing then you're an idiot and probably a liberal.

Even your God Christopher Hitchens said "coming out" as a conservative is harder than coming out as gay for most people these days. I would have to personally agree. Wholeheartedly, even.

>inb4 tired leaf insults because you have 0 counterargument

>>383237031
most of the people here wanting a Crash is probably indie devs wh want it to happen so they can shill their Games and make money for themselves
Its what I would do if I were an Indie dev

>>383237161
>/v/ is one person
Gonna bet leaf here

>>383237208
>"coming out" as a conservative is harder than coming out as gay

lamo, what a fucking bitch.

The way indie devs are now no thanks
All of them are greedy assholes

>>383237276
Are you butthurt, sweetie? Use lube next time, faggot.

>>383237208
>Literal paradoxical words
>Duck clothing this hard
If you think making assumptions about me and defending yourself with a leaf shaped shield is a way to argue then you must actually wear a helmet in public.

>>383236483
Shit games with tacked on customization are shit games regardless, anon.
I'm saying if a game is good but features cosmetics as a source of sustained revenue, what's the big deal?
Sustained development as in patches/updates/etc.

>>383236568
For the most part cosmetics don't impact target recognition. TF2 is the only thing that really comes to mind as having cosmetics that fuck with target recognition, but at least you can disable hats with an addon.
CSGO weapon skins don't really change anything. Skins in mobas usually don't effect anything due to the unique kit of each hero being enough of an identifier; however, I do concede that there are situations where skins can interfere with the game, especially for players that are colorblind.

>>383236742
I think Riot intends on adding voice chat to league sometime in the near future, instead of their "2toxic" stance before.
I'm pretty sure most competitive games (including League, not sure about HotS since I don't play it) balance around high level play, with the goal of the game being balanced at all levels. Accessibility isn't inherently wrong.
Most competitive games (regardless of cosmetics) are also not that easy, even if they are accessible.

When was the last time the movie industry crashed?

>>383237357
>paradoxical words

And let me guess, Marxism leads to utopia, as well?

>>383237161
Not him but you didn't even offer any sort of counter argument.

explain how market cannibalization makes any sense here and how it is a bad thing with video games. it's literally how the video game industry wheel turns you morons

>>383236937
Yes and steam is still full of shitty games. That does not make op any less of a stupid faggot

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>>383237208
>inb4 tired leaf insults because
There is no because. It is scientifically PROVEN the leaf's own retardation is MAGNITUDES greater than than those of the posters they claim superiority over.

You invalidated every single one of your posts by coming out. Even the ones you stated something remotely coherent in.

>>383236225
>Because Tumblrites, furfags and SJWs have more initiative and creativity than the right which only knows how to complain.
You forgot to mention their """"creativity"""" brings down in flames everything they touch, like modern day Marvel comics.
And it's not a fight between left and right, but between SJWs and normal people (not confused with normies). And everything good so far came from the second group.

>>383237463

>DUDE if people buy more Tesla's instead of Ford's the auto industry will crash!

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>>383237067

>>383237463
Nintendo is winning and I couldn't be happier. Maybe other companies will follow suit and stop pushing their shit tier liberal ideologies down our throats.

As soon as that happens, /pol/ leaves /v/, btw.

>>383237429
>still making assumptions
I bet you're relieved I haven't made an actual argument yet so you could just attack me through inferences.

>>383236225
so uh... there's this country called japan

>>383237535
If you're a burger then you are from the memiest country on the face of the earth and there's no point in listening to anything you have to say.

>>383233891
b8

>>383237590
>implying an occupying force leaves if they see the occupied conform

>>383237625
Go ahead. I've been waiting.

>>383237736
4chan has always been right wing you little fag. Shut the fuck up and pop your dad's dick back in.

It was so much better when being right wing wasn't a point of contention here.

>>383237359
> Skins in mobas usually don't effect anything due to the unique kit of each hero being enough of an identifier; however, I do concede that there are situations where skins can interfere with the game, especially for players that are colorblind

There is a ban list of skins for League of Legends in the LCS, there have been numerous occasions where skins have bugs that are a competitive advantage

two examples, gragas skin that helps animation cancel his ultimate, it appears out of no where

brand skin that literally changes walking animation when walking into a bush - basically wall hacks

also many skins such as lux and blitzcrank skins have terrible colors that are very hard to see

all of this is anti-competetive and only exists due to two factors

1. casuals want skins
2. companies want thousands of people to see their skins live during pro games

>I think Riot intends on adding voice chat to league sometime in the near future, instead of their "2toxic" stance before.

Yet it's been what? 5 fucking years and no voice chat

>>383234224
>A $100 billion industry padding its numbers with adtech revenue from mobile games and AAA marketing campaigns.
so what?
> at-will (((employees))) seeing less than a collective 0.1% of the PRODUCT total profits in their paychecks. All after working unsustainable long hours both physically and mentally destructive with no union to correct the abusive hiring and project management practices.
you mean 80% of jobs? you are a crybaby
>Not even the CS and design schools see enough freshmeat to cover the AAA slaughterhouse burnout rates at a sustainable pace.
yep its' very competitive and requires specific talent
>When the laborers cease to exist, so will the industry behind it
grasping at straws, you've provided no evidence to suggest this is possible

>>383234091 > >>383237463

>>383237461
he is barely handwaving to push his fantasy of developers producing games only he thinks are good, but there

>>383237837
oh its your first year here?

>>383237837

>being this underage

Nice to know you weren't here during the Bush years.

>>383237837
Like I said, normies ruin everything. They take our memes for themselves and try and come here and change everything that made the place great to begin with. Fucking sheep, Jesus Christ.

>>383237837
>all this projecting

>>383237837
>I am underage dumbass that has not been in 4chan long

>>383237915
7th, kiddo.

>>383237938
Hey Gen X, how's it going turning irrelevant?

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>>383237950
>>383237948
>>383237938
Agreed, fuck that guy. 4chan has ALWAYS been liberal as fuark, old /v/ would never stand for alt-reich shit

>>383237767
For another chance to call me an evil left wing fascist Nazi communist am I right?

OP here, I literally just made this thread on a whim and know nothing about marketing or the state of the game industry. I just know that talking about the industry crashing gets y'all rustled. Now that I've had a bait thread that got over 100 replies, I'm going to bed. Good night friendos. Have a good one!

OP here. B-B-Baited bitchhhhhhhhhhh

Is "games industry's inevitable crashing" meme /v/'s equivalent to /pol/'s "race war" meme

>>383238203
:) I was just pretending to be retarded.

Did you like the market cannibalization line? I thought it sounded smart.

Gotta go to bed now, before my mom wakes up.

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>>383238151
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

>>383238046

People tend to become more conservative as they grow older.

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>>383238314
Nah, when you grow up you become a liberal.

>>383238314
Other wise known as losing brain cells

>>383238353

And now he's a nu-male hipster, whoa.

>>383238353
lol is he waiting for his mom to get back so she can drive him home

>>383238421

Yeah fuck old people xD

The fuck is experience? I, the 18 year old, understand the world better than your average 40 year old.

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>>383238487
>>383238505

>>383233530
>small indipendent studios

Wow anon, stop right there. I prefer to play FIFA and Call of Duty every year than to play some pretentious indie shit game.

>>383238557
What, pray tell, am I projecting, young one? ;)

>vidya industry crashes
>millions of jobs lost
>billions of dollars lost from the economy
>america goes into a recession and then depression
>the massive gap left never gets filled
>china invades and takes over
>turns USA into communist hell
>slowly proceed to conquer the rest of the world
>soon its only china and russia left
>massive war of before unseen scale
>nukes launch
>world decends into complete ruin
>last life on earth dies off from fallout

thanks OP your idiotic suggestion destroyed the planet

some idiot will take this post seriously

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The industry crashed a long time ago when most middle tier companies were bought out/ closed. No one heard about it cause the PC market was the hot shit at that point. The console market only lives on through dudebros and autist homeschooled kids.

>inb4 404
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57qTegcMT3g&index=298&list=PLLjbEvIXv3H7ZNDPRgwZODDF60KnL_51O

>>383238761
>last life on earth dies off from fallout
somwhere, somehow, some humans will prevail

>>383238775
>was the hot shit
>was
>not still fucking is

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>It's an "I'm an underage retard that understands nothing about video game history" thread

>>383238761
Worth it tbqvh

>>383238915
see i told you it would happen

>>383238761
Eventually life will come back, although it probably won't be >hurr humans.

>>383233530
Smaller independent studios like The Chinese Room? Yeah nah, I'll take the shit I've got right now

>>383239105
Devolver, sweeties, Devolver.

>>383233530
>The sooner the game industry crashes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb76AobIgcU

>>383238689
The young bit you stupid faggot. I never said all old ones are stupid. What I have seen is a lot of old farts think they are hot shit just because they are old, not noticing that everyone ages and the trick is learning from those experiences over the years.

video games went from being something only weirdos played to something casuals can play
video games have to be lame again so the normies get out ree

>>383238918
The PC Market is only being held up right now by mmos and the latest hot game, likely owned by Blizzard. The PC market outside of those esport cash cows is dead.

>>383238761
>turns USA into communist hell
dont worry anon, America is already doing that to themselves

>>383239213
I agree with everything you just said.

For the record, I'm not even right wing, just hate SJWs and their insane level of hypocrisy.

>>383236962
Its not

>>383239259
>he actually thinks this

crash will never come anon what kind of games are you even looking for anyway?

>>383239353
The PC market cant crash cause crashing is stupid and the PC market is mostly free market. The console market already crashed, at least for old gamers like myself who grew up on games that werent at the extreme ends of either AAA or indie crap. All that indie shit today would never have been spoken of if shit like Banjo, Lotr games, etc were still around. In fact, you can pinpoint the "crash" when licensed cartoon and movie games stopped being made.

>>383239353
it literally isn't
>top grossing game of 2016 was COD Infinite Warfare
>sold over 12 million copies on consoles
>sold an absolutely pitiful 400k on PC

>>383237642
Japan gives no fucks about Western ideals and the right or left, don't bring Japan into this.

>>383239291
SJW not a useful term, it has been overused to the point of meaningless.

>>383237837
lurk always, newfag

>>383233530

>wanting vidya to die as a whole for an unknown amount of time instead of just picking and choosing good games from the bad using your own judgment

Holy shit I've never seen someone so lazy.

>>383239535
What is preferable? I think it suits them pretty well.

I could just call them fanatics, since that's what they are. Sexists, maybe? Bigots? What?

I could even call them racists with their white saviour bullshit.

>>383239616
Except when your judgment says all games are bad cause there are rarily any good ones.

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>>383239259
>>383239473
hmmmmmmmm
> crashed means i stopped liking it
now it makes sense

>>383239478
>the most unpopular cod by far
>implying its sales on PC mean anything

>>383239651

Then look harder or lower your impossibly high standards you dumbass. With an industry this fucking massive there's gonna be something you like.

>>383239662
Do you have a list of which PC games it's referring to? Is it only going off Steam sales? I need more details considering how the PC platform is not a consolidated platform like a console.

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>>383239757
>lower your standards

Fuck no. I'm not going to become a shit eating casual like the lot of you. I know what I want and I won't buy shit until it satisfies the bar set by older devs who had less power than today.

>>383234091
>>383234490
Piracy didn't kill shit. Their net profit was, at best, marginally affected by even the most rampant piracy. Look at all the relatively successful smaller games that made it big and the supermassive titles that have flopped. There is one thing in common, their market appeal. That's the biggest problem with the industry, which brings me to the overarching theme.

Big business didn't kill small studios, it absorbed them and in doing so created a homogenous mass of paltry and repetitive iterations of easily marketable and uncreative bullshit. Large corporate entities known as publishers destroyed every little bit of leverage a developer had by buying them out and leaving a hollowed carapace in their wake as most of the founders immediately abandon their studios after an assimilation. That's pretty much how it always works in just about every industry. When they don't willingly leave they're ousted, there are a small handful that by some magic (asskissing and cocksucking) manage to extend their employment.

This is one of the problems: developers of any size with no leverage over their products simply cannot pitch foreign or novel features into a game to a publisher who is injecting superfluous sums of money into their development cycles. This means they have no creative freedom when it comes to market, meaning even if the developers wanted to cater to niche audiences they couldn't unless they opted out of publisher relations. This is well within the realm of possibility, there are small studios and independent developers that do this, and successfully. Problem being is that as an individual developer there is a massive workload to accommodate. Beyond that there is a certain limit to what a singular person can accomplish. Modelling, texturing, mapping, sound, coding, writing, lighting, designing, promoting, scoring, demoing and etc...

>>383239823
This. That other guy's a fucking fag.

>>383234991
You can't.
The industry right now is pandering to the lowest common denominator.
Someone who buys into all the marketing, has brand loyalty, buys what his shit taste friends buy and who has no concept of quality or the drive to acquire it.
He will continue to buy vidya as long as the marketing targets him.

>>383239823
So out of curiosity, what games do you like, and what made them better than games nowadays?

>>383239823
and what do you want? what sort of game are you looking for right now you are being so incredibly vague its totally impossible to know what you are looking for

what was the last game you enjoyed?

>>383234510
You clearly don't understand a damn thing about industry, economics, marketing, or anything, really.

The video game industry is quite literally too big to fail.

The only reason it managed to crash in the '80s was because it was still a new, fledgling industry without many big players.
It was pretty much just Atari at that time, and they royally fucked up by allowing the production of low-quality and non-functioning games in excessive numbers. This flooded the market with garbage, and consumers had no way to determine which games were worth their money.

This is where the Nintendo seal of quality comes in. This is where game reviews and magazines come in. Then the ratings boards follow from there, now we have the Internet and immediate access to information about any game we see.

The circumstances that created the crash in '83 are now impossible.
The only people who think it could happen are delusional retards who think "well games today are bad (read: I don't like them), that means a crash is coming!!!"

>>383239938
>>383239964
Does it fucking matter? Telling you shit wont change anything. Again, Im going to sit here until my death until some dev magically decides to give a shit again. I dont listen to promises like in kickstarters where people try to hope they get that old magic again then get ultimately scammed. I'll know it when I see it, but with the state the industry is in and the lost of nerdy devs who use to make games in the basement, it's not coming back.

>>383239626
After the Last Night fiasco of tumblrtards dedicated to harassing one of their own because he "dared" to say Queen Anita might be a little too witch-hunty (and was part of GG), I call them marxist-cultists whenever not saying SJW's or attention whores. Suits them pretty well IMO.

>>383240110
>literally doesnt know what he wants

go away and stop our time

>>383239762
>steam sales
no, it collects metrics from companies interested in it's reports
https://newzoo.com/about/clients/

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>>383240314
So it's a irrelevant poll as usual.

>>383233530
>the game industry crashes

Joke's on you, there will be even tv galas with old normalfags talking about videogames and us normies before you can react.

>>383239762
>he wants PC to be a consolidated platform


FUCK YOU I HOPE YOU FUCKING DIE GO FUCK YOURSELF FOR EVEN SUGGESTING IT RETARD

>>383240418
no one said that. I said Pc isnt consolidated so getting sales from those games is always going to be biased toward an unshown number.

>>383239626
I think good start would be stop calling those that make with games with women, blacks, gays, and other stuff like that SJWs. We really don't need fools yelling shit like SJW every time a game has a woman in it as it does not make you any better than those you are mad at. Next work out who is the real SJW, they do exist and can be loud but there is not as many as morons on /v/ make it seem. Don't be this retard >>383240223. Finally after you find out what the real SJW are like call them SJW.

>>383239616
>Naughty Dog only makes cinematic experiences now
>Rare forced to make Kinect and party games
>Konami no longer makes video games period
>Square Enix killing off their properties to become a full time capeshit developer
>Capcom on the verge of death releasing flop after flop
>id Software is now Zenimax's puppet
>Blizzard is now Activision's puppet
>Ubisoft will be bought by Vivendi and killed off
>Epic Games is now the Gears of War company
>SIE Santa Monica only makes movies now
>Countless studios killed by EA: Pandemix, Bullfrog, Maxis, Westwood, Origin

But what do I know? Good games are still out there. Just play an unpolished indie ripoff on Steam. Just turn your brain off bro.

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>>383240370
oh wow. i literally hold your hand and do everything but force feed you the answer but you still cant figure anything out

maybe you're just having a laugh, i hope so

>>383240607
This says it all. Thats why I dont settle for less when people tell me to just play other games. I tried. They were shit. I have thirty years of experience of game playing. I can tell a lazy shitty game to a good one. And I havent seen a good one in a very very long time.

>>383240607
>no other quality devs exist besides this handful of industry giants
Fuck off

>>383239826 cnt'd
Small teams of developers without funding are naturally unstable. The individuals in the group must have income, so they're either working part or full time, otherwise they're unemployed and, necessarily, dependent on someone else. This means scheduling becomes a nightmare, project deadlines are missed, code goes uncommitted, stress builds, people wall up and things fall to shit. This also means that a tight knit group, while having less parts to fail, each part is more critical than in the 50+ person, pre-established studios. A failure to show, or a personal betrayal, a bout with insecurity or prolonged drug abuse of an individual in a team of five or ten means one person isn't carrying their weight which is all the more critical in that situation. This means failed projects, lots of them, lots of lost time. It's possible though.

The problem though is that these groups and individuals now have to spend more time and therefore more money to develop a game that can compete in the market, and grab attention of the demographic. It's becoming increasingly difficult now as indie games are promoted more and more pushing the less-spoken titles down further. The market is over-saturating now as well, profuse amounts of half assed games are scattered across every market on every platform despite curation. To top it off more and more publisher owned or supported developers are pushing half assed games out as well, finishing them with DLC while enforcing things like platform parity. It boils down to the marketing and how easy it is to push games being that their key demographic is the easily manipulated younger group. The fact that there are focus groups dedicated to enriching the marketing behind shitty games and building games around the focus groups themselves.

>the sooner mainstream audiences will become disinterested in it.
Do tell me how this will be a good thing. I'd love to laugh at your ignorance.

>>383240858
Because they were all killed off. No one will remember Black Isle.

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>>383240659
Tablet/Phone games don't count.

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>nintendo

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>>383240556
You didn't answer the question, retard.

>>383240659
i can totally see this chart happening but only if some companies start taking smartphone controllers seriously

>>383240908 cnt'd
It's all really about the fact that publishers, both privately owned and publically traded are only in the medium for turning a profit, not building or supporting it and they'd just as soon abandon it if they were to lose any substantial margin of their continually increasing net profit. If they were to start frothing at the mouth and contorting the whole market would fail, unfortunately they have more money than god and many can outright buy studios with no second thoughts. Developers who work for these publistudios aren't in it for the medium, either. Perhaps they were when they broke into the industry but the standards and practices of most of these studios will inevitably leech out every iota of creative interest you have.

And there are thousands and thousands of them, which is another key point. There are too many egg shells to tiptoe around if you're working with a thousand people. There are too many moving parts trying to build one thing for it to be efficient. There are too many points of view and too many ideas to process. So they pound away day after day to create the focus group mandated smegma-emulator and call it a night. There is no way to influence the whole of that as an individual or as a group.

>>383241389
I am sorry reading is too much work for your pea brain.

>>383241428
Its obvious that the devs are nickel and diming the consumers as much as possible. If they wanted a healthy industry for the long term, there would be lower budgets and more emphasis on solid gameplay.

>>383241517
I am not sorry answering a simple question is too much for yours, retard.

>>383241584
But I did a answer it you retard.

>>383233530
Can't go back OP.
People aren't going to stop playing games just like people aren't going to stop watching movies.
Only hope is to show support for your niche.
Even that doesn't always work though.

RIP single player tactical shooters.

>>383241791
>Uhh... You know, you should use the term, but not to those people we use the term for, but for those, you know, actual SJWs. Yeah, that's it. But I'm not gonna tell you who those are, so whenever you use it, it means it's wrong, you fucking nazi retard. Just like the nazi retard who offends Anita here >>383240223. Everyone's a nazi but me.

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>>383235147
I tried, but I'm only good at music.

>>383234991
get with the times faggot

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/V is the only thing that needs to crash

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>>383233530
>>383234510
>>383240607

>thinks that the industry crashing will somehow lead to some AA renaissance rather than things consolidating even more, with only the massive EA tier corporations surviving

Crash retards are the worst

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>>383233837
No, shit quality killed marvels comics. Also perlmutter being a petty shithead. Marvel has many factors going beyond "muh liberal boogieman"

Most people are relatively liberal anyway, so adding black people or gays in a game really only bothers people here and that's it.

>>383238046
>Agreed, fuck that guy. 4chan has ALWAYS been liberal as fuark, old /v/ would never stand for alt-reich shit

>if i keep saying it maybe people will believe it

>>383235147
Where did they steal the parts?

I can't code or draw or make music. Shit, I can barely type a full sentence without fucking up.
How can I make games?

>>383249115
Apply to Ubisoft.

Oh yeah, i cant wait for my only options to be 2d indie pixelshit roguelikes and platformers.