Legion final patch looks great! Who else hyped? >Magni Bronzebeard:

So what's gonna happen to the Illidari with Illidan and the Legion gone?
We just going to irrelevant literal who mode like the Ebon Blade was for the past three expacs?

>Xal'atath Blade of the Black Empire: Such potential here, but all of it wasted on a doomed crusade.
>Xal'atath Blade of the Black Empire: Can you taste it on the air? The sweet nectar of madness? Mmm... this place is swollen with it.
>Xal'atath Blade of the Black Empire: This one shows promise. The whispers lure her toward her fate.
>Xal'atath Blade of the Black Empire: The caterpillar has become the butterfly. She is all but ours now.
>Xal'atath Blade of the Black Empire: He flaunts his defiance of the shadows. Arrogance will be his undoing.
>Xal'atath Blade of the Black Empire: Watch now as a weak mind gives way to darkness.
>Xal'atath Blade of the Black Empire: While I relish a healthy lust for power, this one fumbles for it like an amateur.
>Xal'atath Blade of the Black Empire: Now this is true beauty! At least one of the mortals in your midst can appreciate what it offers.
>Xal'atath Blade of the Black Empire: So much effort, so much bluster, only to delay the inevitable victory of their betters.
>Xal'atath Blade of the Black Empire: Imagine this machinery infused with our power. Interesting...
>Xal'atath Blade of the Black Empire: What a disappointment. He squandered his potential by backing the wrong side.
>Xal'atath Blade of the Black Empire: These pretenders play at whispering madness. Amateurs! I should demonstrate proper technique.
>Xal'atath Blade of the Black Empire: This one would make an excellent champion for our cause. Perhaps he can yet be turned.
>Xal'atath Blade of the Black Empire: Long have we sought entry to this realm! To think we have a mortal to thank for giving us our foothold. Your service will be remembered!

This is pathetic

>>383233264
>grinds ap to remain raid viable

>>383234665
I stopped playing with the release of Tomb because my game time ran out and I wasnt really interested in continuing with my shitty guild.

AP was a big issue at the start, but Concordance is such a tiny DPS increase its just not worth farming or bothering with. Its one thing they actually fixed. Now if only the same could be said about the legendary system.

>play since launch
>literally every legendary on my frost mage but the BiS bracers and Sephuz
>get Sephuz
>patch drops
>new legendaries are introduced
>will never get bracers
>quit

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I thought the pantheon was already destroyed and the titans were dead/ abandoned azeroth?

How are we suddenly able to just fucking contact the literal titans? Is it magni getting in contact with them through the titan in Azeroth?

If all the titans band together to seal away Sargeras, effectivly banishing themsleves with him, why does Illidan become the jailer? The fuck did he do?

so what happens to the rest of the Demon Hunters? do they go back to Maiev's sex dungeon?

>>383235284
the titan's bodies were destroyed and the souls hidden away. Sargeras managed to capture the souls

>>383235926
>>383233794
They get the Death Knight treatment.
They will just end up sticking around to help fight queen Azhara and the Old Gods because they have nothing else going on for them.

>>383233264
So Illidan magni and velen are locked in a room with sargeras forever?

>>383234665
>lies on the internet

>>383235926
>Maiev's sex dungeon
I want to see that

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thats retarted since sargeras is still alive in somewhere else so burning crusade is not going to end.

>>383236171
I would make a joke about reading comprehension but holy shit anon genuinely get a pair of glasses or get checked for dyslexia

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>>383235945

Chronicle and the Legion in-game events make the Warcraft universe feel so small now.

It's all just a little too close and convenient. Nicely packaged.

>>383233264
>Illidan has gone from jailed to jailer
10/10 pure kino blizzard has done it again

>>383236752
The world does tend to grow a little closer when you got a horizon spanning portal into the twisting nether in your skybox

What's catch up like at the moment?

Are the 'infinite ap grind' memes accurate or can you get close enough without too much misery? Do I have to grind mythic+ all week anymore?

>>383237035
It's easy as fuck, max AK you can fill out a spec in like three days without trying or grinding much at all.

After the final trait all the successive ones are just slight buffs to a proc effect.

>>383237035
artifact knowledge lvl 25 can be bought instantly afterwards it takes 4 hours per level. Once you got full knowledge it takes like half a day of doing very little to et to the paragon trait, afterwards you're competitive in terms of ap

>>383237035
getting AP somewhat up to speed is not much of a problem

getting the few desired legendaries for your spec is the main problem

>>383236942
Speaking of which, I'm sorta hyped to see the new planets we're gonna check out in the invasion rift scenarios.
They're small areas, but I'm surprised that most of them have original and new looking art and assets for them based on what the dataminers have dug up.

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>>383237175
>>383237183
>>383237284
Oh god and it's an aff tier.

Welp, looks like I might be resubbing.

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How the fuck are they going to handle character boost for the next expansion?

Are they just going to include max artifact power, if so I can see that rustling some jimmies, but if they don't how will a player ever catch up?

Are they increasing artifact power levels? What about the players that don't have any, will they have to quest through legion just to get AP caught up?

The whole artifact weapons just seems like a shitshow for future expansions

>>383237881
They'll just throw another system on top of it.

Maybe a maxed artifact will get you one point early or something.

>>383237737
>tfw Blizz took my favorite ranged spec and turned it into a patchwork horror abomination of a melee spec
>tfw they know they fucked up so bad that they don't even try to balance it or make it remotely viable

>>383237881
They already said that artifact weapons are going away after Legion.

>>383238090
>Legendary weapons of utmost lore value locked in a nobody's bank

Sasuga blizzard

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>>383238090
Really?

Oh god I can almost feel the Ret pally asspain from here

>>383238090
Why? It's a good system.

>>383238027
Survival is still fun for pvp senpai

>>383237881
You'll get a level 117 green that outclasses it :^)

>>383238127
I'm sure they will let you transmog your weapon to any artifact skin you unlocked. Otherwise, there would be very little incentive to go back and do Legion any content.

>>383238126
I believe you will still be able to use them for tmog.
All of the alternate skins also become unobtainable after Legion is over if you don't unlock them before then.

>>383238127
What pisses me off is that some of the artifacts are shit and should be ditched and some are sick and should stick around.

Like Ashbringer is great, but Truthguard is a little lame. Kaifu is fucking laifu, but stuff like the Warswords are so generic. Ebonchill is boring as hell, but Aluneth and Felo'melorn are awesome.

It's like half I'd be fine with ditching and half I'd never want to give up.

>>383238331
>All of the alternate skins also become unobtainable after Legion is over if you don't unlock them before then.

Bullshit, source?

>>383238546
I actually like Ebonchill.
The frostfire, water elemental, and the pvp prestige skins are all of my favorite mage artifact appearances.

I want to level a paladin to tank but even with the catch up mechanics I feel like I'd be too far behind to be meaningful in raids. Shit sucks.

>>383238610
I'm trying to find it, but I believe it was in. Q&A.
They basically said that the appearances will still be unlocksble, but not transmoggable sort of like how the vanilla PvP gear works if you didn't earn it when it was current content.

>>383238942
*was in a Q&A
*unlockable
phoneposting is hard

>>383238649
Sure, but I think either the BoP skin or challenge skin are lame as fuck. Base and upgraded skins aren't much better.

But when you compare things like the Twinblades of the Deceiver with the Aldrachi Warblades, the warblades are way cooler and have way better lore. Titanstrike is weird and Talonclaw is over designed. Fangs of the Devourer are more Assassination than Sub, and practically all three of the Warrior weapons could be changed except maybe Arms.

>>383238942
I don't believe that's true. With the grind to get almost every skin and alt color, fucking nobody is going to get half of them on most classes.

How is someone supposed to do the entire balance of power questline, the entire PvP grind for all four colors, kill their challenge bosses and do all the raid/dungeon achievements for some skins, on even more than two or three characters?

Fuck I've barely gotten the PvP skins on two so far.

>>383238610
Couldn't find the original Q&A, but here's a link to a thread that a blue responded to basically restating what they've said about it before.
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20753445397?page=37#post-739

>>383239539
Legion is just not designed with having alts in mind. Its doable, but there is so much grindy stuff and daily shit you have to do that trying to invest time into more than one character will burn you out fast.
You would think they would make the PvP and balance of power skins account bound but I really, really, doubt they will at this point.

>>383241497

>supposedly casual friendly game
>retarded grind
>AP
>random legendaries, if the wrong one drops youre fucked, get ready to reroll
>forget your alts too

Fucking stupid.

>>383233264
So it's all over then? Sargeras is defeated? And they're not even going to attempt to explain his reasoning behind attacking Azeroth and shit?

>>383243938

They did a terrible retcon about how the void lords are the actual big bads, sargeras dindu nuffin, the titans are all gone but azeroth is a baby titan or something

>>383243938
Azeroth is titan and old gods are there to corrupt him
old gods lords are void lords, and they are outside of universe, but if any planet will give birth to the corrupt titan it will be end for our reality

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>>383237737
>Enh shaman
>Middle of the pack.
>LOW middle of the pack.

Nope go fuck yourself blizzard.

>>383244187
>>383244096
why not just tell the peoples of azeroth that "Hey guys, Sargeras here, you know you have a dormant titan that will end all of existence if the void lords reach him, so let me do my thing and create a demon army strong enough to defeat the void lords". Instead he...just attacked the people of azeroth in order to get to the titan before anyone else did or what's the story here?

>>383234665
It's like 0.02% extra damage per rank of concordance

>>383237737
? this is old as fuck probably from fucking 7.0 unholy has been on the bottom 3-4 since nighthold launched and frost has been ahead of unholy since 7.1.5

>>383243605
>i dont play and have read nothing about the expansion
the post

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>end game
>nothing but raids
Todays MMO's miss the point of what an MMO is supposed to be. world filled with players! Instead they just box them into instances like this raid shit.

raids ruined the MMO.

>>383244381
this is why you retards shouldnt talk about WoW or even worse argue about it
sargeras made the burning legion to destroy the universe before the void lords corrupted it

>>383244591
It's literally statistics from parses of Tomb of Sargeras over the last two weeks: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/13#difficulty=4

You're thinking of single target sim results which are completely meaningless.

>>383244746
>sargeras made the burning legion to destroy the universe before the void lords corrupted it
what point would that serve? Don't tell me it's the "There's too much suffering in the world, if I kill everyone there's no more suffering" logic?

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>the titans are now generic good guys

Oh well, there goes the last interest I had in WoW lore. They're just gonna pull the same shit again with the mysterious void gods

>void gods: Fucking mortals.
>voice of aman'thul: There must always be a void battery.
>corrupted jaina: *le ebin "do you really think you can beat the void" line*
>khadgar: I will be the jailer of the void.
>thrall: His sacrifice has ended the Void. Oh shit, but the Grimdark Empire is now a thing.

>>383238027
I wish they would add old survival as a fourth spec but this is Blizzard we are talking about here.

>>383244926
more classes need 4th specs
>tank shaman
>tank warlock
>healer DK
>ranged DPS DH

>>383244187
>but if any planet will give birth to the corrupt titan it will be end for our reality

>sargeras is a corrupt titan
>gets his shit smacked all the time

>>383245090
to correct him, azeroth is not just a titan soul, its by far the most powerful titan soul in existence

>>383245079
>tfw too many bads in this game for us to ever get a warlock voidlord tank spec

>>383245090
Void Titan > Sargeras

Especially Azeroth is expected to be the strongest Titan

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>>383233264
>people give a shit about this mess of a lore

This is some Sonic fluff shit, jesus.

>>383244826
Sargeras is a Titan born of Order and deems a universe devoid of life better than one ruled by anti-reality

>>383245090
Sargeras was corrupted by fel, not void
in his mind, total chaos > nothing at all

Are they really releasing the final patch soon? Didn't it only just come out lateish last year?

>>383244826
>>383245378
he also became insane after spending literal eons as the titans greatest champion who was chosen to go out into the vast cosmos and kill / defeat anyone who stood in the titans way of ordering the universe

>>383245583
after fucking up the content length in the last 3 expansions they want to make sure to keep every raid consitently on a length of 3-6 months.

>>383245583
the patch won't be out until october to match the release of ff14s patch and then the raid will be locked until January for when ff14 does the next patch after.

Just like how they held tomb of sargeras for 3 months after the patch's release so it would be out the same week as stormblood.

>>383244862
>first everyone becomes corrupted meme
>now everyone becomes a jailer meme

Quality

>>383238090
>It's another 'huge expansion feature turns out to be a horrible idea and is completely dropped for the next expansion' episode

>>383245583
With Legion they've stopped having raids actually open with the big content patch.
7.3 will add Argus but the raid won't open until 7.3.5

>>383245908
kek you're retarded how about looking up with 7.2 launched and when the raid released.

>>383245974
They started doing that in WoD I think

>>383244826
You're pretty much bang on. He wants the universe to die to stop the void lords from corrupting it (a fate worse than death).

>>383246034
>7.2 released March 28th
>Tomb of Sargeras released June 20th
>Stormblood released June 20th

are you retarded?

>>383246267
i forgot the .5 and no tomb was not a 7.2 raid that was still nighthold they've been doing this for years now

>>383234665
>Legion is a grindfest

It's so obvious who among you played Vanilla and who didn't. Most of WoW's critics aren't nostalgiagfags as it's believed, they are fucking noobs who can't compete.

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>>383233264
>Legion final patch looks great!
>Who else hyped?

You certainly are, Mr. Marketer.

>>383246514
>he thinks he's hot shit for having played WoW vanilla

You're the noob, kiddo.

>>383246514
i've played sc1/nost/k2/elysium and i can tell you legion is a bigger grindfest than vanilla is.

We wuz titans and sheeit

>>383237737
>Arcane
>Not top 3

What the actual fuck is going on? Arcane always dominates end of expansion.

>>383238169
It's a terrible system. It is a very slow grind to unlock small damage increases which give you the feeling of progression you used to get from story.

>>383246757
that's for tomb though.
the first few argus ptrs came out and nothing related to the raid to make any sort of logs

But is it fun?

>>383237737
>my main spec is finally at the top

Feels fucking great, man. I love what they did to Sub in 7.2.5.

>>383238090
It's Destiny 2 trailer all over again

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>>383247137
>shitting on everyone as Retribution because I went from 907 to 926 in two weeka of Tomb
>Dps rankings have us simming at or near the bottom
>Never declined because ilvl in finder shows as 939

I like this patch

>>383246694
you clearly didnt if you actually believe thats true, holy shit be less obvious next time

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wait if the Titans are going to jail Sargeras who the fuck is going to power us now ? Weren't it their blessings that allow us to manipulate magiks both arcane and primal ?

>>383247743
The titans are not the source of those magical energies. Where would you even get that idea.

>>383247935
>>383247935
You're right I forgot that there are other much stronger Deities that set the Titans on their path like Elune and shit. Forget I even asked.

>>383237737
Time to switch from BM to MM.

>>383247743
The titans are reality warpers that created many of the mortal races but the 6 primal forces existed before them

>>383245908
this should have legal consequences if true

>>383246757

blizz has made sure that arcane stays dog shit for this xpac. all their legendaries are garabage, and they've gotten nothing but nerfs since the xpac released, and fire is in the same boat. Mages have gotten shit on this entire expansion. Frost was their one playable spec and it's been nerfed pretty hard this patch.

>>383244862
>>the titans are now generic good guys
are you fucking retarded? They go from planet to planet in order to bring order and smite chaos
they we always good guys

>>383233794
Death Knights? They sit in some flying fortress and are barely anyone left? Shit, the fuckers are in the Legionfall, I mean, the other factions with classhalls do fuck all to but add cannon fodder.

>>383248423
My wife's favorite character was her Arcane mage before Legion. Arcane has literally been dumpster tier the whole fuckin' expansion with no signs of stopping.

Meanwhile I got to see my hunter cut up into 3 specs it didn't have the fantasy or abilities to lend to, so each one has been some gutted version of its former self.

>>383238546
I want to keep my fucking Thas'dorah. What makes us throw it away? We need to use it to lock up Sargeras?

Great job locking up Sargeras, I bet the Old gods are behind it.

>>383248513
That guy really missed the point where Sargeras and brodude smashed the demons all over the galaxy like a restored Emprah in 40k.

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>>383246694
>legion is a bigger grindfest than vanilla is.

>>383248513
by smiting also means complete eradication of all indigenous lifeforms on the planet Or have we forgotten Alagons little speech ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMkRWwYyWd0

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Reminder that Nightborne is for Horde only

>>383248703
algalon was a program to cleanse worlds corrupted by the void, not a titan.

>>383248715
Nightborne? Horde? They rather more turn to their Night Elves brethren that is the most similar race to them. If any the Elves are more likely to dump Alliance and Horde and make their own third faction now after Suramar. They have proven they can cooperate.

>>383248703

it was because algalon found that the planet had been corrupted by the old gods (curse of flesh / corruption of keepers), so in order to stop the planet from being completely taken over by Old God bullshit, he was going to nuke the planet.

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>>383248703
>by smiting also means complete eradication of all indigenous lifeforms on the planet
bitch please. Trolls, furbolgs and even the gold gods themselves survived the titans.
learn your lore before to cry about it

>>383248824
>Silgryn: In my entire lifetime, I never left the borders of Suramar. To see this place is to understand the fate that almost befell my people.
>Lady Liadrin: And nearly mine as well. The sin'dorei also had a leader who struck a bargain with the Legion, poisoning us in the process.
>Silgryn: An unbridled thirst for power is the most terrible corruption of all. How did your people find their path forward?
>Lady Liadrin: We banded together to fight for our place on Azeroth. And we realized we needed allies to stand with us.
>Silgryn: And has the Horde served that purpose for you?
>Lady Liadrin: It has. Make no mistake, ours has not been an easy road, and we have struggled through dark times. But together we face a world that has often turned its back on us. Together, we find strength.
>Silgryn: A valuable perspective, Lady Liadrin. You have given me much to ponder.

Also >implying that Tyrande doesn't have a beef with the Nighborne for what happened 10k years ago

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>>383248882

>>383244723
You're just parroting Kungen, but you're right though.
It's funny to me how this genre has seen so much analyzation and the perfect formula now pretty much exists but no one has jumped on the opportunity to create that game.

>>383248997
>Old bitter irrelevant "hasbeen"
>"True"

>>383249073
You really should be able to separate people from the ideas they're putting forth. Unless you have autism. Maybe that explains your situation.

>>383248969
It do not imply the Nightborne go anywhere. They probably keep out of the petty conflicts of Alliance and Horde like any sane faction on Azeroth would do. Tyrande got bigger issues than some moldy old mages in Suramar that she helped. First Arcanist closed the well to. I bet the Blood Elves cry over that.

>In Before Blizzard goes apeshit and you can play Nightborne as the "Night Elves" of the Horde, High Elves on Alliance as the "Blood Elves", High Mountain tribes joining Alliance, An neutral Orc tribe joins Alliance and disgruntled dwarves of the Magni clan hops over to the Horde.

I haven't really had a chance to gloss over the PTR yet.

Are there any new artifact skins? Either in the files or confirmed by Blizzard.

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>>383249220
>You really should be able to separate people from the ideas they're putting forth

>>383249314

yeah some "Light" inspired ones.

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>>383249295
That sounds fun doe

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Taking into account what we've read online and what the spooky tree of darkness and madness said.

Shit is about to go down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsK7Eh0n1Ho

>>383249452
Yeah, mix in some more factiosn that break that stiff fucking race boundaries, add in Dark Ranger and other race bound classes, Let us play undead Elves. Toss in some new lvl 1 to 100 areas that is more based on exploration.

if they really got the balls they remove the factions fully, or make it so that you can atleast play with your friends over factions (Legionfall already proves the individual people can work together) Hell they could even make a Blood Elven-Forsaken third faction or make the Elves unified again but not likely to happen.

>>383249314
I don't think there's any 'new' ones, but you can use WA to see a couple Ashbringer models that never made the cut.

The upgraded Ashrbnger and the Balance of Power Ashbringer both have other skins in game that were eventually changed to what we have on live.

>>383249593
>new lvl 1 to 100 areas that is more based on exploration
Or make it to how broken isles work, so that you can pick and chose any area to quest and level in, there is some zones I want to finish because they're fun, and some zones I avoid like the plague

>>383248513
No they weren't, calm your asscheeks. They were all about order, not good. We are degenerates caused by the old gods, we are the chaos.

>>383249817
I honestly expect this to happen.

Hopefully it means I can avoid having to ever level through Outland again.

>>383233264
Does anyone empathize or even have any connection to this incarnation of Illidan? That booming voice as he commands people around as some perfect Tirion Fordring type character just doesn't square at all with the slightly pathetic tragic character that he was in WC3.

>>383249817
That be both annoying and good to be honest. We won't breeze tthrough areas anymore but yes, It will be much more easier to do that shit and get all the zones done and over with. I haven't tried them all yet.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnfHdZrmMAw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWb0_WW15is

Play both of these at once

>>383236420
http://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=1906466

>>383249817
the old zones should scale like this
>1-10 you're forced to do starting zones
>10-40 every zone in that level range scales to you
>40-60 every zone in that range scales with you
>58-70 every Outland zone scales
>68-80 every Northrend zone scales
>80-90 Cataclysm and Pandaria scale together
>90-100 Draenor scales after the Tanaan scenario

>>383238090
>half the skins are pure RNG, nothing else.
>if you don't get them now you won't get them ever
This is master level trolling.

>>383250068
And you'll still hit 61, realise 61-80 is the most miserable slog of any levelling experience and just buy a boost instead.

>>383249907
>Hopefully it means I can avoid having to ever level through Outland again.
Or Northrend
Or Cata (Except Vashj'ir) I feel like such a hipster but I like it
Or Fucking pandaland
WoD is pretty alright because of bonus objectives and you can go 92-100 in like 15 minutes setup with a 15 minute execution time with exp potion
>>383250068
It wouldnt be too hard to change old quest rewards to be scaling, so no

>>383249348
>greentexts my post
>attaches a nazi war criminal with a photoshopped
smug pepe hand
What did you mean by this?

>>383250252
Gee, did you think that out all by yourself Skipper? I might have to make you a junior detective

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>>383250016
that's actually really good

>>383250207
Vashj'ir is great just for the novelty of it

>>383250068
>Zone scaling for the old world.
>A good Idea.
>when if I go back to certain parts of the world I'll have to deal with shit hitting me the same way when I just want to farm some mats to sell.

Nope thats a bad idea.

>>383250252
Hes a Pollack.

>>383250373
but I specifically excluded that from my idea
once you level past a zone cluster, everything will be the max level of that range. If you can tell the difference between a level 10 mob and a level 40 mob, or a level 80 mob and a level 90 mob; you're not high enough level to care

>>383248574
There's datamined dialog where alleria tells you to keep it.

>>383250203
>not 90-110
Draenor stinks and I don't like it

>>383250560
Fuck yes, wonder if I get to keep it AFTER Legion although.

>>383251252
Draenor takes no time at all to get through on an alt. You'll be 98 before you even finish Gorgrond, even faster if you get the Sparring Arena and hunt the elites.

>>383250016
4 minutes well spend

>>383248683

What is there to grind in vanilla?

No rep farms, no dailies, nothing to do between raid logging. The only shit that took time was r14.

Why do you think vanilla is so popular on private server scene? It's casual as fuck, you can log in and goof around without having to worry about farming rep/ap/doing dailies.

who cares about a lore thats even more fucked up than dc comics

When are we going to have an expansion that doesn't follow this formula

>discovery a new threat to the world
>lets put aside our differences and fight together
>we must overcome this world-threatening force!
>we did it through the power of friendship!

>>383244187
>him

>>383251743
pandaria wasnt that for 90% of the expansio nand even siege had more than a bit of conflict between alliance and the non-garrosh horde

>>383251542
>No rep farms

You fucking idiot, you needed rep for pretty much all endgame content.

>Repfarm for profession patterns
>Repfarm for Hydraxion waterlords just to get sceptre to douse runes in MC to summon Rag
>Repfarm for Brood of Nozdormu for AQ shit
>Repfarm for Argent Dawn just to enter fucking Naxxramas

Do you not remember things clearly? And instead of dailies or AP grinding, you got to enjoy farming cloth/ore to make gold.

Just incase it wasnt mentioned, Xe'ra dies which leaves the Naaru in a red dragonflight kind of situation.

>tfw cancelled my battle.net account because Legion is hot garbage

What's a fun mmorpg to play?

>>383252048

Guild handles profession patterns. Same goes for waterlords rep.

The rest of the rep farm is handled through your weekly raid logging.

>farming to make gold

KEK

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>>383251743
>Warcraft could have advanced its main story through the RTS games with the expansions and story of the mmo could have taken place between the big events of the rts where horde and alliance find new areas to colonize and new factions that don't necessarily threaten existence
>Instead we had to become the chosen ones and forever settle the most giant events in the franchise in this subpar low production singleplayer experience in a 10 year old mmo
Why did they decide on doing this. Fuck.

>>383252048
You're probably replying to someone who leveled a warrior to 30 on nost (because of shitty youtube videos of unbalanced warriors using oneshotmacros to portray some sort of """"skill""""" and then quit, oh heavens no not because it was terrible to level it, but because of reasons he doesn't want to share.
And he never touched vanilla when it was current, and if he did maybe he got a shaman to 60 and did a few AV's before BC came out

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>Your favorite character was just a tool of something much bigger.

I don't even care, he will always be my favorite.

>>383252317
Blizzard is shit at world building.

>>383250016
best part of legion

>>383250068
1-20
20-40
40-60
60-80
80-100
100-120

or, just remove leveling altogether and replace it with a new form of progression. its an outdated system

>>383253523
Any ideas in mind?

>>383243605
">random legendaries, if the wrong one drops youre fucked, get ready to reroll"
El oh el

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>>383233264
this patch is preparation for upcoming addon

here the new map

>>383252379

This has been the case literally since WOTLK.

>>383254335
I know how you feel.
KT was a cool guy too.

>>383254281
That image is so old, Deathwing called

>>383254281
that's pretty nicely doneeven though it's more outdated than sylvanas vagina

>>383249842
Yes but we're surprisingly useful degenerates seeing as we bailed them out of Sargeras' rape prison.

>>383250203
Just breezed through 58-70 on my Holy Paladin doing just dungeons.

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>>383254697
>Lolbro, just do dungeons!

>>383250117
I believe they said that artifact weapons skins will still be unlockable, like the mage tower challenge will still be there to do.

>>383254792
it works surprisingly well in everything before WoD

>>383252379
He died in WC2.

>>383252048
>>Repfarm for profession patterns
Like what? Timbermaw? Shit can be farmed to Honored in a day which is the most relevant thing.

>>Repfarm for Hydraxion waterlords just to get sceptre to douse runes in MC to summon Rag
This is literally one day thing as well.

>>Repfarm for Brood of Nozdormu for AQ shit
Doesn't even apply to most of the server.

>>Repfarm for Argent Dawn just to enter fucking Naxxramas
You get Revered just by doing dungeons to get your prebis and doing all the quests in EPL/WPL. AD is one of the easier reps in the game because it's tied to running useful dungeons and bunch of areas that give the best XP in the entire game.

>Do you not remember things clearly? And instead of dailies or AP grinding, you got to enjoy farming cloth/ore to make gold.
No? I go run couple Strat Lives for orbs and I'm set for the week.

In other words: fuck off retard.

>>383254281
Two of those zones don't even exist anymore

>>383254905
Playing tank or a healer makes them pop really fast.

>>383252379
Is this news to you? This is alternate gul dan from draenor remember? What do you think happened to our gul dan the first time?

>>383254975
I wonder if blizz will acknowledge WoD to have been a thing in the future or if they're gonna make up some other bullshit why there was suddenly a gul'dan around in current azeroth

can anyone summarize the Warcraft narrative in one paragraph

>>383246514
In Legion the grinding is artificial and has no need to be there. AP grinding is stupid and exists for no reason on top of existing grinds, such as flasks, potions and food, but because money is literally handed to you they had to add something else.
In Vanilla grinding came to exist because people wanted to be prepared for raids but these days you can just get in LFR and kill the same exact bosses as mythic raiders, with the exception of some end bosses which adds no incentive for casuals to grind AP and get into raiding. Raid difficulties are one of the worst things added to MMOs.

>>383255241
Corruption

>>383255241
life sucks and then you die

>>383254281
>Kul Tiras
>Not neutral
Obviously fake, Blizzard would never allow that to happen.

>>383255241

>im good, uh oh now im bad
>im bad, uh oh now im good

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>>383255241
Big bang happens. Fel, void, and light come around. Planets are eggs that titans come from. Enough titans hatch and form pantheon. First to fight void, then fel. One goes crazy, kills everyone, enslaves demons to form the Legion. Azeroth is the best titan egg. Everyone wants it. First covered in void jizz, then elves summon demons, then human summons demon-orcs. Alliance forms to fight Orcish Horde. Orcs reform. Then an orc under demon orders uses humans to create zombie empire. New Horde and Alliance skirmish. Their forces kill end up killing Old Gods, the Legion, the Undead, the Old Gods again (2x), an alternative universe Orcish Horde, and finally they lock up the evil titan. But there's still void jizz to worry about.

How did I do?

>>383255562
Yeah, because the Horde has so good relations. Not to mention Jaina "Dismantle the Horde" Proudmoore, especially now with Varian dead and Sylvanas being the Warchief.

>>383255241
orcs are niggers

>>383255795
Surprisingly well.

>>383255795
9/10 not enough mentions of corruption

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This thread as usual

>>383255795

are the talking weapons the void lords?

>>383255795
what the fuck is a titan?

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>>383237737
>Tfw top tier guild just throw the entire graph in the trash and just stack Rogue/Hunter/Mage to completely cheese encounter where you have to soak

>Still havent gotten all Legendaries for Demonology despite playing since Janurary


What do they expect me to do? I do LFR/Normal Weekly, M+s and WQs

>>383233264
Yea man! Im so hyped! World pvp out of wack, duels outside of org/ironforge completely dead, pruned abilities, facebook tier end game content, Shit world quests that have absolutely no fun repeat value, and the only thing keeping that shit game alive is the guild/raid experience! REALLY FUN HEHE

>>383252048
>Repfarm for Hydraxion waterlords just to get sceptre to douse runes in MC to summon Rag

HAHAHAHA

I can see you didn't actually play vanilla

>>383256253
Pretty much a god.

>>383256372
Dont forget recycled lore! When the game loses 5 million subs just bring back the burning crusade!

>>383256253
Superpowerful reality warpers spawned by the Arcane. Responsible for most of the ancient machinery around the planets and most intelligent races

>>383233264

Does it still have all those time gates?

>>383250016
Kek

>>383256372
>world pvp out of whack
because it's been historically super balance amirite
>duals outside of org/ironforge completely dead
That's because people moved to outside stormwind during like wrath on most servers that aren't complete backwater dumpsters.
Oh and those areas are still actually alive on prominent servers because if you play on a server that's active enough you can actually have the same people outside stormwind every day, if you play on a dumpster backwater server new people get phased in and out every minute, it stunts a culture of people chilling there from developing.
>facebook tier end game content
I can't even begin to imagine what kind of games you play on facebook but if they're as thrilling as pushing through mythic tomb, sign me the fuck up
>pruned abilities
you mean every class got completely reworked like every fucking expansion? Do I need to show you all 12 of my max'd classes ability bars because they're all just as full as they've been since wrath, the only difference is now slots are being taken up by actual abilities rather than needing multiple ranks of frostbolt bound to my most pressed keys area.
>shit world quests
Why the fuck are you still doing world quests? Are you retarded or just new and still need legendaries that desperately?

>>383256609

what is arcane if there was only void fel and light

>>383252331
Awful post by a tryhard retard. Apply yourself.

>>383256204
No, the Void Lords are something so OP they can't even take form in reality or the nether apparently. But they can fuck with it by sending out smaller fractions of themselves.

>>383256930

so the talking weapon and tree is an additional bad guy?

>>383255831
>Horde slaughter Dalaran citicens
>Horde gets invited into Dalaran anyway
>Horde slaughters more Dalaran citizens
>Horde uses the Dalaran portal network to smuggle WMDs with the express intent of committing genocide
>Horde gets invited into Dalaran again
>Horde uses Dalaran as a staging area to attack the local demigod that we DESPERATELY NEED as an ally
>Nobody cares
If people reacted logically to the Horde and their actions they would've been wiped out before Vanilla even started. Kul Tiras is going to hold a Horde Pride parade as the orcs march down the streets.

>>383256903

CRZ was truly the worst thing to happen to the WoW Community, Why the fuck couldn't they just make virtual shards?

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>>383256903
>y-y-y-your fault for not playing on one of the five servers that still has an active population

>>383257114
to be honest, why wouldn't you join one of the high population servers?

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>>383256906
There was only Light, then Void formed in the gaps and the clash generated Chaos that is manifested in Fel energy
Order is the polar opposite of Chaos and has Arcane as its energy

>>383257061
Yes. They're underlings, essentially.

>>383257069
Which DemiGod?
The horde has killed a couple, gotta be more specific

>>383255795
It's ok but definitely not enough mentions of everyone always getting corrupted when Blizz wants a new villain. Or alternatively becoming mad. It's always either or.

>>383256903

>started playing in wotlk

hahaha

>>383257181

to be honest, why are the servers managed so poorly where low populations are possible?

>>383257181
because only a stupid fucking braindead gentile would pay for a transfer or reroll when it should be blizzard's imperative to merge dead servers like they have done in the past

>>383257181

Because before CRZ there were actual Server communities to be had?

>>383257069
>>Horde uses Dalaran as a staging area to attack the local demigod that we DESPERATELY NEED as an ally
??????

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>>383256903

>>383257208
>>383257373
I guess he's talking about Sylvanas conspiring with Helya in imprisoning Eyir to make more Valkyrs

Lot of samefaffin from some antiblizzdrone that just came into the thread

>>383257314
>Vanilla
>Nooo Blizzard! I want to play on a NEW EMPTY REALM! MAKE NEW ONES!
>Blizzard makes new realms that don't need to be made
>Legion
>Noooo Blizzard! I want to play on POPULATED REALMS! MERGE THEM!
>Blizzard ignores the faggots

Pottery

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>>383257314
>>383257321
>>383257327
I see

>>383257069
I mean looking at Europe I don't think it's that far off to be honest.

>>383257515
>game's population is growing by the millions
>"MAKE MORE SERVERS!"
>game's population is dropping by the millions
>"MERGE MORE SERVERS"
damn....... really makes me think............

>>383257515

You know there's like 12 years between vanilla and legion right?

Are you fucking retarded or something? Here take this >>383257430

>>383257582
>>>/pol/

GUYS IT'LL BE GOOD THIS TIME, WOW IS FINALLY SAVED, BASED BLIZZARD, WHO RESUBBING

>>383233264

I haven't player for about a year, just before legion came out.
I am considering subbing and buying legion. I just want to level my main and maybe another char and do solo staff, not going into hardcore raiding.
How is the game for me right now ?

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>>383257707

>>383257838
Be a bit more specific, at least say pvp or pve for starters
raid or casual etc.

>>383257837
good post my man, good post

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Got a battle box last night, never really played before so I'm gonna give it a shot. I might get a sub and expansion if I decide to keep playing. Any tips?

>>383237737
tfw frost dk

>>383257838
>How is the game for me right now ?

Facebook tier, where you navigate menus and "upgrades" that are locked behind week-long time walls. You will also enjoy very short, shitty quests to get crappy looking artifacts. These quests are often recycled from class to class, despite the apparent uniqueness of each artifact.

>>383248997
this genre has seen so much analyzation and the perfect formula now pretty much exists

What the fuck do you mean? The development the genre has undergone the past decade has taken us away from a world-centric game. Not towards it

>>383257937

A bit of everything except hardcore raiding, i don't want to turn wow into a job again.

What is a good sub class? Just to do some casual offnight raids with outside of mythic raiding, anything but pure dps please, and no druid or shaman, want to level something and just play with it

>>383257582
Warcraft has better immigration policies though.

>willing migrants travel to Europe
>proceed to blow up and drive trucks into the locals

>unwilling migrants murdered, carted into Lordaeron, and raised into undeath
>not so much as a complaint out of them after Deathknell

>>383258072
because the genre has been developed through market analysis, not critical analysis.

>>383257838
It's a raid simulator. There's really not much MMO left in the game.

>>383257838
The you'll probably enjoy it. Levelling content is fine, profession progression is really nice, dungeons etc are really good the first 100 times, some of the world quests will keep you entertained.

As a casual game it's a return to form after WoD.

>>383258076
I guess if you stay out of LFR it's fine, if you enjoy doing challenging dungeons (Mythic+) then it's alright, if you planning to play to just mass gold it's fine too, but if you're just gonna be the "casual" and even worse, not touching raiding, I wouldn't recommend, ToS is hella nice though, very little trash compared to previous tiers

>>383254281
as if Blizzard would put that much effort in the game, too many zones for them these days

>>383258295
that's a funny thing to say about the first expansion since bc where dungeons are actually relevant again

>>383257838

Most MMO elements are gone and pretty much all RPG elements are gone.

>>383258307
>Levelling content is fine

boring

>profession progression

pointless

>dungeons etc are really good the first 100 times

Average the first time, a chore after that

>some of the world quests will keep you entertained.


Less so than flash games on newgrounds

>>383258110

Go pally. Or priest. I enjoy healing.

>>383258432
>crying about raids being the only content
>shitting on everything that isn't raids as 'boring' and 'pointless'

eat shit

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>>383258456
>tfw I sorta enjoy pally healing, but hate ret and prot
>tfw I enjoy shadow priest, but holy and disc are awful
I don't know what to pick

>>383258420
Dungeons have been the same amount of relevant in every single expansion and vanilla. Now they are just forced relevant compared to before.

>>383258712
define forced relevant, that seems like a really spicy new meme

>>383258582
It's better to find a class with at least 2 specs you enjoy vs. a class with only one spec you truly like.

>>383258828
Itemization on off pieces are 90% garbage, almost all specs need something from mythic+ to get their best in slot set for a tier.

>>383256903
literal retard

>>383258838
I do enjoy arms and fury, but it's my main, just want to play some alt but it's really hard to find one I like, got like 3 alts that are at 900 ilvl that's never played outside of professions (Rogue, Mage, Hunter and a SP around 880)

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>>383258582
I dont even play WoW anymore but I can never get the same feeling as I did when playing a fucking resto druid in WoD of all things... I kinda want to resub just to play it

>>383259094
You can stop samefaffin the post you don't agree with now

>>383259275
make me

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Making a horde shaman

Name
Race
Gender

>>383259735
Cronch
Troll
Male

>>383259735
Name: YotsubaKakio, CandleTrick
Race: Orc
Gender: Female

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>>383259803
>Name is unavailable
You playing Ragnaros EU ?

Nonetheless, need another name

Also meant Druid
>>383259958
Scratch that, meant druid

>>383259735
The only reason I know who Asmongold is, is because when I played WoW the general forums would spam downvotes on any post that mentioned him. Ended up in a random BG with him one time (did an armory check in case it was just a fan) and he's a pretty chill guy.

Any reason for the rabid hate he gets?

>>383260064
Same Names
Tauren
Female

>>383260231
>Any reason for the rabid hate he gets?
Well, besides the usual hate anyone gets just from being slightly popular and shit that happened like 10 years ago with ninjalooting when he was a kid

>Thinks LFR should be removed from the game
That's enough to get retards to hate you instantly

>>383260231
because he is popular and people dont like that

>>383260231
Shit talks SJWs, trolls the fuck out of people etc.

He is one of us man, hell he might be browsing this thread right now.

>>383260507
He has mentioned he lurks these threads, not sure about posting in them, and he condems the general on /vg/ cause it's avatarfags and furries

He said something along the lines of "If I want a circlejerk and everyone agreeing with eachother I go to reddit, if I want different opinions but with a lot more shitposting and a mix of constructive and uncostructive, I go to 4chan)
>>383260480
Pretty much

>>383257069
>Jaina is somehow the bad guy for finally calling them on their shit
Nu-blizzard is the worst

>>383261839
Where was Jaina when alliance king was killed?
Nowhere
She's not in any position of calling out horde for retreating when she just go somewhere after making bridge

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>>383258046
>tfw breath is a cool spell but completely fucks up the entire spec when you're totally reliant on it to do even remotely decent dps

>>383257069
its funny, you talk like the horde has actually mattered since Cata. Horde are not in Dalaran as some plot point, they got jammed in because the devs couldn't be assed to make a horde capital
At this point I wouldnt be surprised at all if the next expansion was kultiras and the horde was either the one dimensional antagonists or just along for the ride again. Someone on the official forums pointed out the armor set they added has the same naming scheme as previous expansion quest gear

>>383258046
I guess Frostmourne isn't as powerful as some random knives

>>383251252
>buy huge ogre cache
>buy xp boost pots from garrison quartermaster
>run instances
>hit bonus objectives
>be done with draenor in no time

>>383247137

How do you play sub anon?, always preferred playing outlaw for the CD and finisher spam feeling so fast and energetic and the guns being really neat, but seeing how well sub is doing Im willing to try it out since its the only other spec I like after assa being boring AF during all of WotlK.

>>383262032
When we are back to fighting the horde if that ever happens that's when she will be around.

>>383262854
It's all about proper Shadow Dance and Symbols of Death management. You don't just spam them whenever possible, you line them up so you waste as little energy as possible while getting the most GCDs inside of a Shadow Dance as possible, with at least one Eviscerate in there.

>>383256305
sauce?

>>383263403
>Eviscerate
All about that Death From Above now in shadow dance

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Allright scrubs. I have some inside info on the next expansion. Allthough most of it is "no shit"

> Kul'tiras and the other islands like Tel'abim are our "continent"
> a "filler" expansion featuring N'zoth and Azshara pretty much setting up for the Void Lords expansion after that
> NO NEW RACES OR CLASSES
> Subraces and improves customization are the big new thing

Announcement at Gamescom. Major panels and such at Blizzcon

That's all I got.

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>>383264139
>safe guesses: the post

>>383263916
Of course, but that is literally just a more powerful Eviscerate with a cooldown.

But man is it fun to use in heavy AoE now. Stack up Shuriken Storm, pop SD and SoD and then one target gets fucking annihilated.

>>383264139
"Subraces". You think they will even sell an expansion on new character creation? Like what would that be?

Nightborne? High Elves? Tauren Tribes? Ironhammers?

>>383264324
Dark Iron Dwarves, High Elves, defecting Eredar.

>>383264549
>defecting Eredar
Warlocks unlocked for Draenei the next expansion

>>383264549
>defecting Eredar
Honestly it makes sense.

Also
>high elves
Skin for night elves?

>>383238027
>make survival a melee spec
>instead of giving hunters a tank spec named survival they make some clunky shit dps spec no one likes

So what's the next expansion? Are we ever getting a reboot/pulling the plug and going back to fantasy orcs and humans with magic? Are we stuck with space travel, evil magic and lovecraft gods?

>>383264789
>Are we ever getting a reboot/pulling the plug etc
literally why would they ever do that except to sate some vague sense of nostalgia of people shitposting on internet forums/boards who are never gonna buy Blizzard games again anyway

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>>383264324
Amani!

>>383264549
I have a hard time seeing them doing this, but one can hope.

>>383264997
The lore is changed to be space ships and Titans, so yeah, we never see fantasy Orcs versus Humans. The best chance of getting that is nagging on a Faerun RTS or something-

>>383264324
They could even add those things through the barbershop.

>>383234665
>grind
>40 mins of world quest a day for a week to get concordance
>40 mins of world quest a day for another week to get concordance 3
>can just do 20 mins of quests a day from there

t. concordance 6 and 4/9m

>>383264324
They'll bundle the expansion with a character boost and a transmog token.

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>>383265849
>Amani
>Even as they fled, the trolls were pursued and butchered by the merciless allied forces. The trolls' power was broken and their population decimated
then Zul'Aman happened,twice.

>>383243938
Nope. Apparantly up next we're gonna be dealing with pirates, the Naga and their Old God master.

Yeah, pretty big step down. But hey after that it's probably the Void Lords.

>>383243938
Sargeras wanted to destroy Azeroth so that the Old Gods couldn't turn it in a universe-ending monstrosity so there's that as direction for the next expansion

>>383267735
Well, I guess I can take that, it would be interesting although if they made it interesting to lvl from the bottom again with those races in their own start zones.

>>383266014
I would know that I play a Night Elf and not a Nightborne or a Blood Elf and not a High Elf. I mean, it would be -nice- if they made a new start zone for all those races, to explain why they now are going more active in the conflict.

>>383264139
Well we now have the possibility of space travel if we just repurpose one of the Legion's ships some excursions on other planets

>>383258039
Play a monk, they have a daily buff that gives them like 100% more XP for 2 hours.

Tank in dungeons and use that buff to powerlevel and reach max in like 1 or 2 weeks.

After that check out how endgame is and see if you like it enough

>>383264789
Next up, Blizzard will be getting into the HGame business and it will be about Anduin attempting to bring peace to all races and boning females from every race.