After all is said and done, why did I have to kill him? Everything

>>383230860
Just the way it works. It doesn't agree with Raidens ideals.

Because he wanted to kill loads of people and encourage others to kill loads of people?

>babby's first antagonist

>>383230860
He's a hero ahead of his time.
Trump wasn't president then.

>>383230860
Raiden agreed with his goals, but not his methods.

The whole "kill tons of innocents" thing didn't sit right with him.

>>383231048
I already killed lots of people trying to get to him, so what?

>>383230860

Sometimes I'm not sure if this is still just a meme or you retards really do think the insane ramblings of a megalomaniacal wannabe despot who practices some of the most extreme ends justifies the means bullshit makes perfect sense.

>>383231540
It's purely ironic. These people wouldn't even survive the kind of devastation this shit would cause, we're talking about complete societal collapse here. He wanted to make a country full of people just like him, ridiculously strong and not afraid to just fuck with shit. He knew it would result in them fighting each other constantly and killing everyone less strong but that was just fine to him because then at least someone was actually "free" in his view. That's why he's batshit insane, no one would actually be free, they'd still be trapped in conflict and at the whims of those stronger than they.

>>383231540
What have you seen or experienced that would convince you that people are not actually this retarded?

>>383232492
Not saying that's a better way of life, but it would be a lot more fun than the hivemind mentality the government is progressively trying to make us become.

>>383234669
It's almost like they're trying to impose a collective consciousness

>>383234669
You don't have to "become" anything, go to Somalia if you want the sort of life Armstrong is talking about.

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>>383234774
LET YOUR COUNTRY CONTROL YOUR SOUL

>>383234669
The system needs a docile workforce to keep big business and the governing authorities in control. What better way to do that than by conditioning people to judge each other based on how much money/stuff they have or by how many hours of their life is wasting on working for corporate fat cats to buy their daily yachts?

>>383237223
peoples drawing this and faping to this should be send in an asylum

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What was so great about what he wanted to do? He says good shit and is very strong and charismatic to boot, but his answer to the problem was ridiculous and psychopathic.

>>383231495
do you want to die, anon?

Because video game designers are pussy liberals

>>383230860

MAKING THE MOTHER OF ALL OMELETS HERE, JACK!
Is this the best line in the last 10 years of games?

>>383230860

Because he and Raiden were ultimately not that different in the way that they are okay with forcing their will onto the world but their goals were different and when 2 alphas collide only 1 can survive

>>383238115
i don't understand this reference

please post a video or detailed summary

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>>383237223
What exactly am I looking at here, and tell me you only downloaded it to share its terror.

>>383238387

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vtNZqzbXkk
Hope this helps

I was expecting this game to be okay but its pretty good. I'm surprised its still talked about, probably just because Armstrong though.

How does Armstrong conjure fire? I mean I understand I just got done using MG Excelsus's own 50 ft sword with 6 ft tall Raiden swinging it, but how in the shit is Armstrong suddenly able to shoot fire everywhere?

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>>383230860

After all is said and done, why did I have to kill him? Everything he said and wanted to do made sense.

>>383231495
Cyborgs ain't people

>>383238856
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

>>383230860
Because Raiden is not a self-insert

>>383232492
>no one would actually be free
>they'd still be trapped in conflict

You simply don't share the same definition of freedom with Armstrong.

>>383237408
So where does the hundreds of children brains factor into this?

>>383230860
I'm at least glad a "Might is Right" guy didn't whine over someone with better might beating him and choosing what they want.

>>383238818
Its just a game, don't overthink it

>>383239087
so hey you've played pokemon right. that game where you capture intelligences into an electronic prison for you personal benefit?

hey remember that whole second world war thing in which the west staged a fake war in europe in order to distract the "world" while they did whatever they wanted in africa and asia?

i forget what my point was exactly, except, MEMES

>>383230860
it had to be that way

>>383238818
nanomachines

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>>383238856
but solidus was by far in the right, all the way, through the entire thing. it was really honestly crazy to me that at the very end, you are straight up told by your own handlers that you're just a puppet, and solidus is the man trying to break that exact system of control, and you still go through with it

>>383239637
do you think maybe

it's a metaphor

>>383239637
If Solidus wasn't a dumbass and didn't admit to killing Raiden's parents, he'd probably still be alive.

>>383230860
its a thing media does, the bad guy makes sense then you kill him. Its to train you to obey irrationally even when someone else make a good argument.

>>383230860
>why did I have to kill him?
He was going to kill you if you didn't. Did you play the fucking game?

>>383230860
reminder that idiots still believe iraq was about oil when it would have been about 2 trillion cheaper to buy it.

>>383237416
People typing horrible sentences like this should be sent to school.

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>>383238856
>Raiden was a tool and the villain in both of his games.

>>383230860
Because Raiden fucking hates him?

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>game doesnt give you the option to side with the **********************villian********************************
why not? even if you made it a hidden choice or something it would be cool

>>383240020
not to obey, just not to forget

to contineu

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>>383240020
No, it adds depth to the villain and makes sense of why people would want to follow that person. It's more compelling that way.

But siding with Armstrong just because he makes good arguments is no different from blindly following orders. Raiden stopped Armstrong because he believed it was the right thing to do.

>>383238818
Armstrong's punches pack enough kinetic energy to shatter a multi-kiloton mech. He punched the ground, transforming kinetic energy into heat energy, thus turning earth into lava.

>>383239637
No, he wasn't. The irony of it all is that the idol he worshiped, George Washington, created the constitution to maintain order over pure bullshit freedom. Not liberty like Solidus claims. This is the whole 'legacy being misinterpreted' being repeated, similar with Zero and Big Boss misinterpreting the will of the Boss.
Rather than improve the system, he wanted to be in charge. Hence his plan was to create a black out electronic zone and be its ruler. This is why his codename is 'King'. This is double ironic when you remember the whole meme story about George Washington being asked to be king and refused.

Solidus was a fool, holding his arm to an idol that would have spit in his face.

>>383230860
But even if you agreed with Armstong as a player, you ahould be able to understand that seeing as you used might to make right throughout the entire game, Raiden pretty much played entirely on Armstrong's terms, and that at death Armstrong was cool with that.

>>383241434
That's taking a really pessomistic view of a lot of things that are genuinely true.

>>383230860
Wasn't he an anarchist?

>>383241434
Do you think singularities are a limited resource?

The only right one was Solidus.

Patriots AI were allegory for (((them))).

>>383241627
Antichrist? Cease or determine to masturbate.

>>383241494
Except that Raiden is fucking real, and Armstrong is a video game??

Whatever is not saved is lost.

>>383241627
More like an egoist, or an anarchis according to the dictionary.

>>383230860
Armstrong whole ideology was to create survival of the fittest world, where only strong can live and thrive.

Raiden got to him by never giving up, fighting constantly and fucking himself up in the process.

That is what Armstrong have seen in Raiden, strong individual trying to make his right reality.

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>>383230860
I'M MY OWN MASTER NOW

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>tfw Rising had better and more thought provoking story than MGSV

>>383241682
Solidus was being played by the Patriots from the start. He was an unplanned nobody that went on an ego trip because he was told he was not only approaching the skills of the greatest soldier who ever lived, but surpassing that, and he was going to become a living myth on par with George Washington. He loved it when Ocelot told him how he was the spitting image of Big Boss. He loved bragging about how he was able to do the exact same things the Patriots were doing, by jacking their own AI protocol. He even gloated to Raiden about killing the dude's parents, just because he felt so far above everyone else, and his hubris was his downfall.

He wasn't "right", and neither were the Patriots, or the AI. In MGS2, the only person who was "right" was Snake, because he set out to stop RAY, and he managed to shut down the means of production before moving on to his next Philanthropy mission.

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>>383241915
>Lyrics kick in on the final phase
BEAR THE MARK OF MY SCARS

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>>383230860
Raiden had already experienced Armstrong's world as a kid and decided it was fucking shitty.

Patriots were not evil.

Think about what would happen if you took all those movies,brands and other distractions from average or below average person.

Whole society would turn into chaos.

>>383242039
Except Raiden fought initially to survive, he only later got fucked up into enjoying it.

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>>383241932
So you didn't liked VOCAL CHORD PARASITE's son?

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TOP TIER:
-The Hot Wind Is Blowing
-It Has To Be This Way
-The Only Thing I Know For Real
GREAT TIER:
-A Stranger I Remain
-Stains Of Time
-Collective Consciousness
GOOD TIER:
-Red Sun
-I'm My Own Master Now
OVERRATED TIER:
-Rules Of Nature

>>383242175
Neither the Patriots nor Outer Heaven were technically evil, but they were both extreme opposites on the social spectrum that had only self-serving interest. The Patriots wanted to tear down racial, religious, geographic, and ideological differences to create a global community without borders that was heavily-regulated and controlled, with the intent of preventing any future wars from ever happening by making everyone part of the same society.

In the eyes of individualists, this is absolutely evil.

I agree with Armstrong on basic level, but killing weak is not the answer.

Strong should reshape the world and guide the weak into their liking.

>>383242004
>defending kojimahack this hard with muh rusing

>>383242703
Except MGS2 was still being written by that other guy while Kojima was riding his coattails, meaning that Sons of the Patriots actually has great writing, and only gets flak because of Raiden being the PC instead of Snake thanks to fanboyism.

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>>383241829
>Armstrong whole ideology was to create survival of the fittest world, where only strong can live and thrive.

this is literally the world, how we came about, solipsism notwithstanding

raiden is a child, a brain in a jar, but he's also right

>>383238856
I haven't played MGS after 3, but wasn't Raiden just a puppet of the colonel until the end and was just too strongly programmed to ally with Solidus?

>>383230860
Because it has to be this way

>>383245523
Raiden was a white kid who was born in the Middle East. After his parents were killed, he was abducted and trained in a child army, before killing his handlers and escaping. He was eventually subdued by the US, who "rehabilitated" him via simulation training and giving him a purpose for killing other humans. The Big Shell incident was the Patriots' attempt to re-created the Shadow Moses incident, to see if it was possible to create other super-soldiers like Solid Snake without using gene therapy. In the eyes of the Patriots, it was a success.

Raiden is an actual human being who started taking orders from AI, and the AI had started to go rogue. He was a puppet for the Patriots, which is why he had such a raging hateboner for Ocelot and Vamp during MGS4 because they reminded him of how badly he'd been played, and this frustration serves as a basis for his spite against Armstrong in Rising.

but who's to judge the right from wrong?

>>383245523
i don't know how it could be any more obvious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTxAlkD-xDI

>>383231352
Only if they are actually innocent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKvvOFIHs4k

>>383246269
>Not understanding the Selection for Societal Sanity program

Armstrong did technically win since Raiden took his advice in the end.

>>383230860
God damn he was cringey as hell.

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>>383242483
>Red Sun not in Top Tier

>>383246853
This game is fucking too much. I had a ton of fun playing it, time to go back and play it on hardest difficulty.

>>383249246
do you think maybe that could be your programming talking

>>383236946
> somalia is a free capitalist state meme

>>383248646
>actually quoting fedora the movie

>>383246853
I don't think I'll ever get sick of this.

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>>383250085
have you noticed that Metal Gear Revengeance videos on youtube keep changing

almost like the final boss of MGR was literally unbeatable, and everyone who said they finsihed the game was lying

almostly like the scum have a backdoor into Youtube, and can use it to replace any video they like, including full control of posting date and view count

almost like the Diamond Dogs have complete access to this system

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>>383246853
>That audience cheer out of nowhere
I need to replay this game

>>383251173
Hikari-chan is SO kawaii~~

>>383240559
Usually it makes a vastly better game anyway, whether it be wRPG or jRPG. I still consider the more logical ending of BoFIV to be Fou-Lu ending, Ryu's backstory, his motivations, everything about him, it's all inferior, he was clearly the secondary merge to begin with and it makes no sense that he would suddenly be able to overpower the will of a god emperor who is thousands of years old, which would be necessary in order to become the primary consciousness.

>>383242175
*le tips*

>>383238863

There is a whole section in the game that exists solely JUST to prove that cyborgs are people.

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>>383249326
This. Red Sun is the absolute best song in the entire soundtrack. Which just makes it so much more sour that Sundowner was so poorly balanced. He dies so quickly, I've had much more fun with his fight going in without any upgrades.

The amount of people I've seen who completely missed his second phase is just crazy.

>>383230860
than your an edgy teen and a anarchist.

>>383253342
Sundowner was so disappointing. I was expecting an intense fight with him after seeing how brutal he was in the first chapter.

>>383230860
I wish he had history with George Sears, that'd be awesome, I loved the MGS2 references.

You had to kill him because he's stealing kids (pizzagate) and turning them into cyborg child soldiers, he's the head of the entire operation using the cyborg proxies.
Raiden was a child soldier so he takes personal issue with what's happening, quits his PMC group to just to go even further than the law allows.

We need a sequel!

>>383252463
And it was wrong.

>>383232492
I always thought the simplest way to explain it is that he wanted to cause Fist of the North Star.

>>383254865
defencive precision

not innaccurate

what are you a fucking fascist war mongering bigot?

>>383254865
It's more like he wanted to make America into Ancapistan.

>>383230860
he didn't actually have a plan for after he as elected. just another self-righteous lunatic that only knows how to amass more power

I support him because then the mentally ill like me would be killed instead of being miserable all of our lives

Because AnCaps deserve it

>>383254286
He has some GOAT quotes though.
>Like I said, kids are cruel, Jack. And I'm very in touch with my inner child.
A true shark.

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>>383254615
WROOOOONG!

>>383259339
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy

>>383242039
This. Everyone defending Armstrong should just move to either Liberia or Somalia.

>Le armstrong was wrong
Within the context of the metal gear universe society just broke free of the shackles of a literal AI conciousness controlling all aspects of society and only a year or two away from permanently mind controlling the populace with nanobots. Combined with the fact that everyone who tried to follow The Bosses vision has resulted in trying to control the world, Armstrongs idea of a world where everyone fights for their beliefs and is beholden to no one sounds like a good solution.

>>383260464
>perpetual war with no victors fought for dubious reasons
Sounds literally like outer heaven. Armstrong was a megalomaniacal hack.

>>383260636
>Fighting for your own beliefs are dubious reasons now
Hello GW

PLAYED COLLEGE BALFAJKL;J/J;/#

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>>383242483
Switch Hot Wind and Stranger and I'll give it to you

>OVERRATED TIER:
>-Rules Of Nature
THANK YOU!

>>383239432
You must be shitposting at this point because you're even more batshit insane than Armstrong.

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>yfw It Has To Be This Way starts playing

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>>383263850
>peace walker theme

>>383242248
He'd always enjoyed it via conditioning. He only pretended not to.