HAHAHAHAHAHAHA https://us.battle.net/forums/en/ove rwatch/t

>>383178818
>jeff kaplan
>the retard who moved from eq to destroy wow
You retards deserve it for purchasing a game made by the biggest crybaby in MMOs

>>383179127
>destroy wow
????

he was one of the original developer who created WoW....

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>>383179127
don't forget that he was terrible at EQ and got carried by his guildmates, he INHERITED the position of guild leader and didn't start legacy of steel. tigole was always terrible, and that is why my guild constantly mocked and laughed at him, and got more gamewide firsts than legacy of steel after tigole took the reins. here's us beating the zone he claimed was "broken and unbeatable"

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>>383178818
whatever you say, Jeff.

>>383179127
jeff has his flaws, but he was one of the og guys who made wow great. On top of that, he was on the wow team since day 1, he didn't destroy anything.

>the game is balanced

no shit. OP are you fucking 12? Blizzard has said this about all their games since the beginning of time.

>>383179812
>wow
>great
but it was dogshit compared to UO, EQ, AC, DAoC, etc. on launch. it was hypercasual and spoonfeedy as all hell.

>>383179798
I haven't played in a while, what's made Winston S tier?

>>383179397
Was that the whole Sleeper fiasco or was that someone else

>>383180016
Is that why all of those games are around now and wow is dead

>>383180057
Dive comp is incredibly strong because tanks continue to be nerfed. Leap in on the backline along with your genji/tracer, pick up a quick kill, and jump back out.

>>383180057
Dive comp

>>383178818
>To many people working on the same game is bad
>Balance makes games boring

Literally gaylords on the forums theory crafting and crunching numbers calling things op untill it gets nerfed

>>383178818
Translation; "we can't nerf any dive characters or they would become impossible to playon console"

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>>383180106
you're gonna have to be more specific about "sleeper fiasco", our guild <Triton> woke him up on our server and took screenshots of us feeding him rare loot to troll retards who were bad at the game who would never see those items again, because his warders no longer spawn

>>383180497
they balance pc and console separately. If i remember correctly, tourborn has been pretty op on console for a while now.

>>383180497
PC and Console versions of the game are independent my dude.

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English aint first language

I aint reading all that shit

quick rundown now

>>383180752
tldr

prease understandu
you think you do but you don't

>>383180139
I know you aren't this stupid but it still makes me mad

>>383178818
oh wow

>>383180752
papa heff says the game is balanced in spite of certain characters being perceived as annoying or useless

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>>383179812
all jeff did was copy everquest and make it more casual

>>383181169
Everyone knows WoW killed sandbox MMORPGs, even SWG literally killed itself when they revamped it to be more like WoW. I'm guessing most of /v/ had WoW as their first MMO so they think it really was the first.

>>383181169
this is fake though
>eq
>raid instance

and before you go posting retarded shit from google "proving me wrong" those instances didn't exist when that mspaint comic was made over a decade ago.

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>>383181920
whatever you say tigole

>>383181820
WoW killed sandbox MMOs, then themepark MMOs, then the genre and finally itself.
Like pottery

>>383181920
At times like this I find it hard to believe that image actually is over 12 years old
Fuck.

>>383182132
did you even look at my post id? I've already shit on tigole in this thread, newfag. I'm an ex-<Triton> member. >>383179397

>>383182424
Want to share any of your favorite boss fights or encounters?

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>>383178818

So he doesn't bother balancing the game around people who are good, but around trash in quick play? Good to know. Balanced my ass.

>>383178818
"I don't sense a great community uproar over the fact that... symmetra [is] 'overpowered' right now"
my dude all I ever see is people complaining about her no aim high damage laser leash

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>>383182609
vulak'aerr's 4 hour ring event (pic related, but everything in velious was good), original pre-nerf acrylia caverns ring of fire, ssra temple XTC, emp SSRA, glyphed/exiled/cursed cycle for shit like AE FD and AE charms, honestly most raids in EQ were fun. i have a bunch of pictures but lost thousands in a hard drive failure, so many memories.

>>383178818
I mean, I think he's mostly right. I'd say the game is balanced decently right now.
>>383179798
Just because dive meta is so prevalent doesn't mean the whole is game unbalanced. If people play in a tournament/league or whatever, of course most teams are gonna go with the safe strategy. This goes for basically all competitive things, video games or otherwise. It doesn't mean that if a team chooses not to go dive they'll lose, it's just riskier. And some teams do try new shit.

Not to mention that in regular competitive, where I'm assuming most of you play, dive isn't all that common. Even in GM we still get weird ass compositions sometimes. It's mostly fine, stop basing your idea of balance around what the pros play.

>>383180752
The game is balanced even though it's not balanced. There are some things that are clearly unbalanced about it but despite this, it's balanced.

It's all like your opinion man.

Jeff needs the fucking boot from game balancing decisions. Keep him in charge of lore and all that other crap but they really need a guy like alwaysoov(lunatic hai coach) to help with game balance. If you are interested you should see his recent interview and his perspective is pretty on point.

>>383183279
>If you are interested you should see his recent interview and his perspective is pretty on point.
Got a link?

>>383183135
what still confuses me is how winston is even useful, i mean his weapon's TTK is the lowest in the entire game, and he can't go bruiser mode with melee knockback without his ultimate. anyone he jumps on is in a prime position to shoot him in the head and instantly kill him since he is right next to them, tickling them with his tiny, nigh-useless weapon.

>>383183391
His shield can stop people from doing anything pretty well. His job is to see strays from the team, jump on them, drop a shield so they can't do damage reliably and so no one could help them, then jump back to a safe place. If teams focus him down, he'll drop pretty quick, but the problem is that usually there's other shit to focus on.

>>383180619
Torb is far, far away from being op on console. He was only op on defense back when you could have multiple torbs.

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>I don’t sense a great community uproar over the fact that Torb and Symmetra are “overpowered” right now

Fuck off, Jeff.

>>383183867
i see, i only played the beta/free weekend so i had no idea his shield couldn't be shot out of, i thought it only prevented damage from coming in. i still don't like how he does very very very little damage in a game built around killing people, i mean even symmetra and mercy kill faster than he does.

>>383183391
He's just too much to deal with ontop of Tracer/Genji especially for supports. You're dead before you can even think.

>>383183391
Bronze opinions the post

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Just waiting to see if Blizzard one-ups themselves and destroys their e-"sport" with this Overwatch league.

>>383184370
His jump does damage as well, and he's usually gonna be jumping on someone without full health anyway.

>>383184953
It's not even going to start at this stage. Wasn't it supposed to begin in September?

why do you care about the balance in a casual game designed for consoles?
do you really believe they made all those characters with competitive in mind?

>>383185171
Sometime in the next couple months.

>>383184953
I wish blizzard didn't have a hard for e-sports and i wish they stopped trying their hardest to remove any sort of animation cancelling and let us build momentum. fucking casuals mang

>>383179798
>hanzo
>less than 5% usage
More like less than 5% of games doesn't have some fuckstick instalock him

>>383185647
Those are tournament stats. See on the right where it says "Tournament Play Only"?

>>383185647
Those stats are only from the Contenders teams, not general competitive or QP.

>>383183384
Translated
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6lkdxc/lunatic_hai_coach_ama/

>>383185171
>It's not even going to start at this stage
http://www.pcgamer.com/espn-reports-blizzard-has-six-overwatch-league-teams-lined-up/

>half of roster will get you squealing shits fucking up your eardrums
"balanced"

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>jeff isnt happy with current roadhog

my boy will be back soon.
I dont care if cant one shot anymore, just so long as he can at least be viable.

>>383178818
>Overwatch in 2017

>>383186437
>six teams

Wasn't it supposed to be a worldwide league?

The fact that you can easily melt orisa is fucking ridiculous, she honestly doesn't even feel like a tank and the whole road hog change just makes him feel more like a dps

>>383178818
>So to summarize: balancing heroes who are unbalanced is good, balancing heroes just to make them picked more or picked less is not good (in my humble opinion).

There is literally nothing wrong with this

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>>383185393
>I wish blizzard didn't have a hard for e-sports
They are still salty about losing the ASSFAGGOTS market.

>Torbjorn is OP

In quickplay sure where there isnt a single group of 3. But you get 1 ounce of coordination and his turret is gone

>>383187669
or just one pretty good player

>>383187763
Literally one hanzo

>>383179798

Overwatch is retarded because it doesn't balance based on what's happening at the pro level and tries to balance for every skill set, it tries to control for people just being terrible at and trying to balance characters around what shitters do with them.

That's one of the reasons Roadhog got nerfed despite being D-tier for most of his life, and even at the prime of the tank meta only got to to B tier at best.

Roadhog was barely above garbage tier in the dive meta, and then they nerfed him anyway despite him being laughable at the high end/pro level. Why?

Because Gold and below cried about being one shotted because they don't know how to play the damned game. Tracer is far more powerful and far more consistently through the life of overwatch than Roadhog and I don't think will ever really get a nerf since I don't think they've touched her once since the beta.

>But let’s talk about the elite players… maybe the top 3rd of all MMR. Their top picked hero over the past month was…. Ana. Yes, Ana.
What the fuck? There is no way that's true.
also
>top 3rd of mmr
>elite
Top fucking Kek. Plats are elite now boys.

>>383186185

So Koreans think Blizzard is killing overwatch by being stubborn and not releasing more heroes. They aren't wrong that's for sure.

OW's major problem is some characters are just straight upgrades of other characters

>>383186936
well they are international teams
I have no idea what happened and how much they fucked it up, but if they really have a $20m entry fee, they are insane

So let the normalfags worry about the balance in their game.
You guys dont actually play overwatch right?

Fuck Blizzard. It astounds me how incompetent they are and I'm happy Overwatch is dying.

>>383188516
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>383188770
Wasn't it 20/40K and not million?

"Competitive" videogames were a mistake.

Thank god we got TF2 before the cancer that is "Esports" spread. At least I have the memories.

>>383189198
>>383188516

Misread from two separate posts, my apologies.

>already have a glut of characters that will never be balanced
>add more every few months

literally the game is circling the drain right now

every update its more clear they have no vision for this game, just keep adding shit.

>>383178818
Never mind the fact that most of the characters are complete garbage

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>>383188508
Remember, all you have to do is get past mid plat and you're an elite Overwatch player.

Overwatch is bollocks anyway, the only good maps are KOTH and mobility characters shit on everyone else ludicrously hard, Bastion Junkrat and Torbjorn have been garbage since the game came out because the game doesn't require a strong defence at any time
Also most heroes have stupidly low skill ceilings, it takes 0 thought for someone to play Soldier or D.VA yet they're some of the strongest heroes in the game

>>383189406
>20k
neah, that's peanuts
http://compete.kotaku.com/blizzard-responds-to-controversial-rumors-of-20-millio-1795137785

>>383179195
Protip: He was also the one that thought more emphasis should be placed on raid design...than the rest of the actual game.

>>383181820
>SWG literally killed itself when they revamped it to be more like WoW
I really hate how people just ignore how rocky SWG was for its entire lifespan, it wasn't like they took an outstanding 10/10 amazing experience and just flipped a switch to make terrible. It launched in a horrible state that left it more or less stillborn, and it went through several attempted revamps that all were received poorly.

>>383188932
>I'm happy Overwatch is dying.
where did you get that from?

>>383189962
It's esport scene, the entire focus on the game.
>>383184953

Also, the game has been dumped and forgotten by casuals.

>>383187558
Even with a monopoly on the rts, they still managed to drop the ball with sc2. Blizzard cant balance and make a game last.

>>383184953
The OW league is the worst idea. Esports are not made by companies, league being a special case, and is held up by players, not the devs.

>>383186936
Yup. Had plenty of teams willing to play, but then the dragged their ass and are killing the scene themselves. Heres to Quake Champions not shitting the bed in the next year.

>>383180139
uo isnt dead fag

>>383186556
What makes him not viable? I don't pick him very often but I did ok with him, I honestly just want to know

>>383189962

Those 4 minute que times for quickplay sure are fun haha

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>>383190112
Don't know that I'd say completely dumped by casuals but the events are the only time it really seems lively. Between events I get much longer queue times and run into the same people all the time. This is a QP queue in NA during the midafternoon with a diamond SR.

>>383184585
So that's why they sent Tracer, Genji, and Winston to take Doomfist on.

Jesus Christ you people have big opinions about some casual shooting game for children

>>383190112
>the entire focus on the game.
I don't know where you got that from either

>>383190880
I wouldn't know, it tops off to around 2 minutes at worst and a few seconds at best

>>383184953
>bad teams leave
so?

>>383191865
You seem to be an expert on this topic, why not share more opinions and not parrot like many posters do?

>>383190814
basically his kit was built around the one shot at the start.
As it is right now, he has zero stopping power and his own abilities are more likely to get him killed than not.
Right now all he can do is spam shots at shields. He is a d.va with a reload and no defensive abilities.

Im not saying i need the one shot back. I just want a little bit of stopping power. The hook combo should at least hurt.
Ideally an added 10% damage from where he is right now would make him perfect. His DPS would be slightly higher than before the nerf, and his hook combo would still not be a one shot.

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>>383179798
>dive meta is so strong that pharah and sombra are used more than zarya, rein and hog now
jeff pls

>>383179798
Can you believe that people thought Winston needed more damage?

>>383188414
Apparently tracer is who the game is balanced around, so people finally recognizing that she can be used as a motherfucking tank buster as well as squishy squisher means we might have a bunch of buffs to everybody (except like Winston and Sym) incoming.

>>383192402

Blizzards business strategy is to appeal to autism. They intentionally develop games with perpetual balancing problems and keep it unbalanced because it gives autists the illusion that they are smarter than the developer and when they log off into the real world they lose that sense of superiority so feel as though they must log on again to feel superior

>>383179798
>Overwatch
>tiers

lmao retards believe this
I play pretty much whatever character I feel like(mostly Rein and D.Va) and my team wins 90% of our games.
Literally gid gud.

>>383194083
>reading comprehension

kuckplan is such a fucking braindead retard, literally every blizzard dev must have some degree of retardation. fucking incompetent niggers. give any random chucklehead a position at blizzturd and they'll do a better job than these dumbasses.

>>383188414
Good idea, let's balance around the top..not even 1% of the playerbase. That sure worked out for Widow maker.

>Vote ban all the tanks
>Vote ban all the supports
Fun idea

>>383194083
>git gud
>by using brain dead characters that have nothing to learn

makes me really think

>>383188634
Yeah, and the ridiculous slow low quality balance updates is the biggest problem,.

>>383179798
This is why I stopped playing this game

>>383179798
I want to murder every Winston main out there

>>383181169
>There are people still this bitter about shit that happened over a decade ago

grow up dude

>>383195025
Meta is created by those .1% pro players. Whatever they do is going to trickle all the way down to at least diamond players. Unless you want to balance around bronze-gold where everything goes regardless, top-down balance is the best way to go.

I had an amazing match as Bastion early today, I even kept the enemies pharah at bay from owning my team.

>>383181820
My first MMO was Dofus Alpha

>>383194083
>I play pretty much whatever character I feel like(mostly Rein and D.Va) and my team wins 90% of our games.

So, you're a smurf in bronze, happy to be the big fish in a small pond

>>383179127
>destroyed WoW
He made wow the juggernaut it was. He departed as game director before Cata and THAT is when it went to shit.

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>>383180653
>>383180619
Then why is the movement in the PC version the same sluggish molasses speed as the console version if it's supposedly designed for keyboard and mouse?

>>383187669
No see he is OP. Against shitters. But because shitters make up a larger group than the others his winrate looks really high.

Metrics based balancing is the WORST fucking thing ever.

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>>383190880
That's the matchmaking system calculating the right way to make you lose more and more so you break down and buy those skins you thought you could work for.

>>383190902
Wait what the fuck?

Titanfall 2 gets matches in under a minute yet Overwatch takes up to 5?

How fucking dead is it?

>>383180057
They made his head crit box smaller and made his shield spammable.

Aka you can leap in and not die because the netcode in this game makes it impossible to hit a small target like winstons new headbox.

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>>383189962
From the game being shit.

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>>383199654
Titanfall doesn't have a malicious XP/loot system that encourages you to lose as much as possible as a means of goading money off of you through calculatedly rigged matchmaking.

>>383199868
>3+ mins
Literally where? Only times it takes forever with me are late night (1am~5am) and takes 2 to 3 mins
But anon on that picture raises a valid point

>>383200215
Is there anything about overwatch that ISN'T shit?

>>383200215
>my team
>a bunch of unrankeds, golds, and low plats

>enemy team
>high plats, diamonds, masters, even grandmasters
>once even a top500

This is the reason I quit this pile of shit.
What the fuck is the matchmaking, am I just fodder so high ranked faggots can get wins?

>>383179798
Overwatch isn't and shouldn't be a competative game taken seriously

>>383200215
No, its loot and exp system just locks actual game content behind walls

>>383196764
Because of e-sports players whom you will never play with and whom you will never have to see or hear unless you seek out Overwatch tournaments?

>>383200501
Seriously, why the fuck does overwatch's matchmaking seem designed to only give you BAD matches? I'm sure there's some reason like a monetization expert said it would make people buy more loot boxes or something like that but couldn't they see that if people don't have fun in your game they're gonna quit?

Really at this point it seems like just not having matchmaking at all would make overwatch's matches have a higher chance of being actually balanced.

>>383178818
>Symmetra and Torbjorn win rates are not balanced. They are too good.
I'd fucking love to see those stats.
In what range of SR/MMR are they "too good."
Any bronze/silver players here willing to comment?

>>383189953
>it wasn't like they took an outstanding 10/10 amazing experience and just flipped a switch to make terrible
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/10/arts/for-online-star-wars-game-its-revenge-of-the-fans.html
>"We really just needed to make the game a lot more accessible to a much broader player base," said Nancy MacIntyre, the game's senior director at LucasArts. "There was lots of reading, much too much, in the game. There was a lot of wandering around learning about different abilities. We really needed to give people the experience of being Han Solo or Luke Skywalker rather than being Uncle Owen, the moisture farmer. We wanted more instant gratification: kill, get treasure, repeat. We needed to give people more of an opportunity to be a part of what they have seen in the movies rather than something they had created themselves."
The rage of a thousand suns still burns within me to this day. I will take this anger to the grave. SWG was my favorite MMO, my favorite game, of all time, and SOE just decided to take it out back and shoot it. I still have friends that I talk to NEARLY FIFTEEN YEARS LATER that I made in that game. Never again has an MMO been able to produce such a sense of community.

>>383201051
Doing fairly well in plat, almost diamond.
The win rate isn't spectacular, but I'm climbing so it's probably higher the lower you go.

>>383199289
Because it's not and you're retarded

>>383201051
He's taking global win rates.

Balancing using exclusively metrics is one of the things that's been making every TF2 update shit for years now and it looks like the pattern is continuing with it's retarded little brother.

I play on xbox and have yet to see Doomfist, can anyone explain?

Also, as far as balancing discussions, on xbox it seems pretty unbalanced from a matchmaking perspective, but from the perspective of the actual characters, I'd say the African on rollerskates healer dude is OP.

I like how he specifically flip flops practically in the same sentence.

"I Believe the game is balanced, but things like Roadhog continues to be in a bad spot and resurrection is both frustrating to use and have it used against you."

Guess what, that means balance issues still.

>>383201324
I only started playing this like a week ago btw, almost lvl 25 (is competitive on xbox any good?)

only players I can stick to using are Soldier, Hanzo, Orisa and Zen

>>383201248
>Ambassador is by and far the most equipped revolver for Spy
>Better run it into the ground because it must be OP and not just one of the few weapons the class has to fight against skilled players

AKA The Pyro effect

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>>383179798
>both aoe shitters in S tier

hmmmmmm

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Meanwhile,
>game gets to a balanced point
>completely revamp everything to spice it up

I thank my stars daily that Blizzard didn't get the rights to dota/icefrog.

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>>383199654
Overwatch's matchmaker just seems to be shit. Events are the only time where I can get decent queue times otherwise I have to wait a while for a match only to have more grandmasters/top 500s than people near my own rank.

>>383201538
I call it Brink Balancing.

But yeah as someone who like playing the pryo I was baffled when they decided the way to fix the class was by nerfing it's only usable weapons. EVERYONE USED THEM BECAUSE ALL THE OTHER ONES ARE TRASH YOU DUMB FUCKS!

I quit the game after it became clear they had no clue what the fuck they were doing.

>>383189929
That made sense for the first 3 expacs. The raid was the perfect vehicle for longevity and lore. The old raids were amazing to run.

>>383201679
Always thought that the real crime was nerfing burn DoT years ago.
That defined pyro to me

>2017
>playing overcuck

>>383178818
>Game is balanced when only a third of the cast is viable
Can't fucking believe this guy.

>>383183391
imagine you're fighting around 5 angry people who are constantly bombarding you with spam, and out comes this ape from above and behind you to start shocking your health away gradually on top of the enemy looking at you

>>383178818
>don't play this shit game
>still get irradiated by the cancer
I FUCKING CANT UNSEE THE LINES.

>>383201873
Years ago? Just about every update to this day adds some new way to counter afterburn.

Dying to afterburn longer than 3 seconds is probably more rare than taunt kills at this point.

>>383184953
I'm so glad that overwatch esport isn't happening, they should make a solid strong game first, and let competitive come after it.

>>383201873
>>383202292
They just have no fucking clue what they're doing. They look at global usage metrics, browse spuf-lite for a few minutes, then do whatever while they're not finding new ways to sell hats.

>>383201554
>implying
you 6.86 dickriders make me sick.

Should I buy this game? I thought the beta was pretty fun...

>>383178818
This is why OW will never be an e-sport like Dota 2 or LoL, they don't care that some heroes are bottom tier in competitive.

>>383202801
Its a fun game, but has a terrible community. Be warned!

>>383202801
There isn't enough content to avoid getting burned out and the gameplay is SLOW.

>>383178818
If they don't care about balance then why do they push the e-sports scene so much?

>>383202801
Probably not. It was really fun for the first 100 levels or so but when you find out how slow Blizzard is at adding meaningful content it's easy to get burnt out.

>>383200874
>couldn't they see that if people don't have fun in your game they're gonna quit?

you'd think so, but it's the opposite. people are so retarded that they go ahead and buy crates if they can't win one of those time limited event crates that suddenly cost three times as much and give even less.

why do you think mobile games where almost everyone can see how shit the business model is still rakes in thousands of dollars?

spineless retarded "normies" with zero standards are the worst thing that happened to this industry.

Does Lucio still have a 99% pick rate? Why don't they nerf him?

>>383203049
Because retarded normies eat that shit up

>look at meh XD i'm such a nerd pro gamer, look at my pro gaming keyboard,pro gaming chair,pro gaming food

>>383203142
Do the micro-transactions in Overwatch give you anything but cosmetics? It's okay if it's like that.

>>383203295
It would be fine, if those boxes weren't your ONLY long-term motivation for playing. It ends up feeling like chasing a carrot on a stick, except the carrot is plastic and you know it is.

>>383203295
It's not when they spend 9 times the effort on making new cosmetics to sell than they do making maps and characters.

>>383203295
I think the furthest thing you could argue is Hanzo's Wolf skin that makes his ult sound quieter for some reason.

The problem with Overwatch is that it basically took TF2's cosmetic system, dropped crafting and trading, and made it purely slot machine.

>>383178818
>i have a feeling we need to do something about mercy ressurect
translates to
>mercy is currently the meme thing to complain about right now in the community, as roadhog was previously. So we're going to gut her into the ground because we balance based around how hard reddit whines about something

If reddit got together and decided to circlejerk that Junkrat was 'toxic and unfun to play against' he'd be gutted or reworked within weeks

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>>383203553
>six events in the first year
>only two full maps during that time

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>>383202842
because that's never the case in dota 2 or lol

>>383203982
The difference is that at least those other companies bother to try fixing it.

>>383178818
I mean, to a point he's right.

Reaper was considered bad before the buff. But then when the buff was announced, *but before the buff actually went into effect*, we suddenly saw a ton more reaper play to decent effectiveness. The perception he was F tier was causing people to avoid him like the plague even though he could have been used.

>>383203832
While that's a part of it, I don't think it's the whole picture.

Blizzard is so fucking shortsighted when it comes to balancing it's embarassing. They kept buffing Mercy with random buffs including making her invulnerable during her ult cast, and now it's just a sort of broken mess where it's more effective to not even heal and just hide until you get it off to get two chances at a fight.

It's especially impressive when they pretty much ripped her design off from TF2 medic, yet apparently still can't understand WHAT MADE MEDIC BALANCED.

>>383203176

It's impossible because he's the only support with an aura and speed boost.

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>>383203832
I find it irritating how much influence reddit has on blizzard, most of the time its for the worst.

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MUH MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>383179127
>drestoyed wow
Nigga what the fuck are you talking about.

He was an original dev on it and single handily designed AB while his team was at E3.

>>383204115
That could be chalked up to people wanting to understand the impact of the buff more though.

Reaper is a character that I thought would be really fun to play but ends up being more annoying because of the orbs sometimes, so if I saw they were changing that I'd be definitely playing him more to get an idea of how substantial the change would be.

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>>383180752
The actual tl;dr is, "the game is still very popular so I see no need to rush things because we have 'fuck you' money. Also, PTR? Lalalalala I can't hear you!"

>>383204287

Know what, since I'm thinking about this, why don't they just add more support heroes who has no healing, but can buff allies in other ways? Being support shouldn't mean all you do is heal. Hell add someone with a single target speed boost or some shit.

>>383204654
You mean like Symmetra? Who needed to have substantial reworks before people started even considered picking her?

The problem is that in a game that revolves around player deaths, heals will always be preferred over utility in 95% of cases.

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>>383192578
At this point Hog needs a complete rework they've fucked with the initial vision of the character so much that his current kit doesn't suit what he does anymore. Maybe since he carries gas canisters around he can create a poisonous smoke cloud that his team could use as cover while the cloud heals him slightly over time this could probably replace his super situational ult. The Hook's initial purpose is completely fucked with what its been done to as well and people dont like being being instantly dragged to death so instead they should settle for a drag hook like that fuckheads Thresh where you're disabled for 1 or 2 seconds and are able to be dragged around by the roadhog into the open or stunned long enough so that Roadhog can hit you with his Rifle a new weapon he somehow doesn't fucking use on his back

>overwatch is popular
The meme needs to die. The game is literally dead if there isnt a speshul event on. During events its intolerable to play because the game fills up with retards that can't play. You even get pushed into foreign servers because it cant cope.

It could be worse.
You could still be playing Tf2 like retard that is me where they have the same, if not worse, balancing and will never communicate who the fuck thought the Bison was overpowered, just for them to decide to finally communicate the bare minimum of balance they have in mind a full year later after they broke their own game.

>>383204998

At least all the classes on TF2 are playable and have their own roles to fulfil, unlike Overwatch where over half of the heroes are just complete shit, and outclassed by the remaining meta heroes.

>>383179397

oh shit, 4chan is the fucking best, what a small fucking world

>>383204998
Yeah but at least stock/core gameplay is still fun, and unlocks like the Cuntsman and Loose Cannon can shake things up to have some fun.

>>383185745
ok nobody cares about that

>>383188634
I don't see why anyone would give a shit about a korean's opinion on Overwatch. Koreans fucking suck at shooters, the only thing they're good at is RTS. Not to mention the fact that they think more characters would solve the problem that is Overwatch (the actual solution is shitloads of more maps).

>>383188634
>Following Leagues example by half assedly releasing heroes every month or so fucking the balance up even further.

Blizzard shouldn't listen to those fucking idiots more characters aren't going to solve the games more glaring problems like balancing.

>>383205170
>pyro
>playable

>>383206071
>think koreans are good at rts
When will the meme die. They are autists that just latched onto sc and never gave it up after everyone else moved on.

It's funny because with every online game I play, I never had a problem with things that were too powerful. I just learn to counter, whether it's a fighting game, or a shooter, or MMO, I've never bitched about anything like most of you faggots do.

It has to be really fucking bad like the 1887s in MW2 for me to actually give a fuck. Nothing in OW is that fucking bad, git gud faggots. Roadhog in his most OP state wasn't even OP

>>383206071
MORE maps won't do it, they need BETTER maps. More maps with their current mapmaking philosophy would just be more shitfests like Eichenwalde and Anubis where there's one giant retarded chokepoint you need to take to do anything. That's the first idea that needs to be scrapped entirely.

>A professional Overwatch player will not player hero x if he/she thinks hero y is even 1% stronger. We can balance the heroes to equality but if there is the slightest perception of advantage, it won’t matter.

It will matter, Jeff. Some heroes are already better than others on specific maps, or are direct counters to other heroes. I don't want to see a different meta every 2 weeks, I want to play the hero I want to play without having people bitch and be toxic about it.

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>>383201834
>old raids
>amazing

>>383178818
I tell you how to fix this garbage game you hairy retard.

Make matches 10v10 and "ultimates" 3x times harder to get, done.

>>383206343

At least the game would have more content. As it is now the game is fucking stale with nothing new. I'd rather have a new character every month than the do-nothing shit they have going on now.

>>383206808
Better than the trash cata and past it. At least there was actual group formations instead of lfg queue cancer. The writing was better, and they just felt more epic than the new ones. Oh and pve gear could be and was used in pvp so it had dual purposes.

Sorry you never played vanilla and got into the game post wrath.

>>383201051
I love these "gold and below" comments you retards keep throwing for Torb, Sym and previously Hog.
Check overbuff, Sym and Torb have nearly the same winrate Masters and above.
Doesn't mean they're OP. Blizzard's retarded system counts win rate in a stupid way, so when you're winning with Torb/Sym you usually play them for longer in a much (and it counts as a bigger percentage of the total match, meaning higher win rate), while if you lose say first point Numbani very fast, vast majority of people will immediately switch from Torb or Sym, making the loss count way less to your win percentage.
There is also the fact that they're only played on their best maps, unlike pretty much all other heroes.
The highest rated Torb one trick (fuey500) who's in top 500 has a 49% win rate with Torb since he always plays Torb even in situations where it's very disadvantageous. Compare that with most top 500 Tracer mains who are without exception above 55% win rate, and majority higher than 60% win rate.

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>Blizzard already nerfed doomfist within 24 hours.

What the actual fuck is this company.

if its taken this long for you to realize that overwatch is actually an awful game then there is no hope for you

I made it to GM (a thoroughly painful experience - mostly because OW is "team oriented" and you get trolls and retards even at high masters / low GM SRs) in S4 and haven't touched the game since except for some casual play during the anniversary event.

From what I've read dive seems as prevalent as ever and Blizzard is going to do nothing to shake up the meta. Jeff's logic is horseshit because even "balanced" games like Dota will intentionally shake up the metagame once in awhile to keep all levels of players interested.

I want to like Overwatch but Blizzard does everything in their power to burn me out.

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>>383206668
>tfw even if they do start making good maps the bad ones will still be in rotation and you won't be able to do fucking shit about it thanks to custom servers being an unrepentant disaster

>>383207170

thats the whole point of the PTR isnt it?

>>383209208

Jeff said it isn't for balance checks, just debugging.

>>383202686
?

I was implying that 7.00 shook up the game and made it more interesting/less stale

>>383201834
lol

everyone always shits out the same "hurr it shouldn't be a competitive game don't take it seriously lol" excuse but the problem with that is that human fucking nature will make people use the most optimal way to win when it is made known to them, because they want to fucking win

there will always be a dominant strategy and if it's THAT dominant, a game like overwatch that is strictly PVP is going to be ruined because people can only get rolled for so long before they're like "hey can I be allowed to play this character that I actually like playing without getting rolled thanks game devs" and when they don't respond they just fuck off

>>383179798
>dive cancer is the new meta
>clickclick mbuntufist has dive as an ult
Oh no

>>383178818
>Dive took more skill yet was less effective
>Tank took less skill yet was more effective
>They change things and make skill actually matter
>OWbabbies cry their eyes out
Why am I not surprised.

>Introduce Ana
>Send her straight into the competitive mode with only a week or so on PTR (Where she only received buffs)
>Instantly ruins the meta and isn't even considered for a nerf for 8+ months
Oh gee

>Nerf 76 because of a boogeyman burst macro
>Ruin a lot of the balance that was fun due to the Phara vs 76 gameplay
>Take forever to reinstate him as a decent hero
Hmm

>Shitters complain about Roadhog
>A character that has very clear paths to play around him and very clear and easy counters (his hitbox being the size of the titanic being one of them)
>Now Dive meta is at it's height and the one hero that does best to stop it can't be used
Interesting

>Lucio has literally always been overpowered and overused
>Only real change was lowering his DPS in the beta
>Recently shuffle up his mechanics a bit (making him stronger)
>Totally think it's fine that the most mobile hero in the game is also the strongest healer and has insane team initiation abilities
You don't say

Only way to fix things would be to un nerf Roadhog, rework Ana, and completely redesign Lucio. At least with Mercy and Zen as supports you have two very fragile supports that can't really get involved in dives, it makes for some great strategy work on both sides when it comes to placement and movement.

>>383204836

His current ultimate is fucking trash and easily the worst ult in a game entirely based around ultimates. His ult should be reworked to use the rifle somehow, but I dunno how that would fit into his play style.

People still play Overwatch?

>>383212949
No they just complain about it endlessly online

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>>383212949
Not for long.

>383212725
>Shitters complain about Roadhog
>A character that has very clear paths to play around him and very clear and easy counters (his hitbox being the size of the titanic being one of them)
>Now Dive meta is at it's height and the one hero that does best to stop it can't be used

This is what made me stop playing Overwatch altogether. They don't know anything about balancing a video game. The only "balance changes" they make are appeasements to a retarded community who don't even know the first thing about the fucking game they're playing.

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>>383179195
he was an unqualified EQ guild leader brought in to consult and CONTAMINATED THE GAME with raid mentality; the fun 1-59 game where you quest and explore and do awesome 5-mans? THROW THAT SHIT OUT THE WINDOW AT 60, DO FUCKING ATTUNEMENTS AND GRIND RESIST GEAR AND THROW 40 PEOPLE AT ONYXIA AND MOLTEN CORE AND ONLY DROP GEAR FOR 3 PEOPLE

Fuck, vanilla was truly designed as two completely different games stuck together, and 13 years later I'm still fucking mad about it. I could lead untalented garbage through the twists and turns of Sunken Temple and Blackrock Depths, but I couldn't cyber enough thirsty virgins to get into Molten Core alt runs despite wearing tier 0/5 Strat speedrun skill gear. FUCK YOU KAPLAN YOU JEWISH HACK, YOU FUCKING POISONED WOW AS AN INFANT AND RUNNING IT FROM YEAR ZERO YOU HOOKNOSED STRING BEAN SHITFUCK

>>383213218
>effectively one-shot hitscan ability with long range
>very clear paths to play around him

Oh yeah, just don't be on his screen! Easy!

To be fair, I'm not reading the post you're replying to, if people are complaining about him post-nerf, they're babies

>>383200215
>>383200501
The forced 50 is why I quit last year. It's such fucking bullshit, I can only think the people who don't think its real only play in pre-mades or are so shit that it doesn't faze them. It's borderline impossible to carry a team in OW unless you have at least 1 other competent person.

It doesn't help that the maps are complete garbage, so are half the characters and so are the patches.

>>383213140
>binary system mechanics

I might just be retarded, but what does that mean?

>>383180016
So go play those other games, WoW was for a new audience.

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The problem with these new "competitive" games such as OW and MOBAs is that the players will always try to find some way to EXPLOIT the meta game, be it using an overpowered hero or whatever other trick to leverage your potential to win. No one wants to play fair and square.

>>383212848
Works fine with Zarya, but that's pretty much everyone

>>383213918
>So go move to Saudi Arabia, USA was for a new audience.
Saudi Arabia needs to be nuked from orbit for acting totally jewish despite hating actual jews, and ruining the world in general. Swap the game names in if you want, it works for games and politics.

>>383179798
God I hate this meta

>>383213718

Fuck you for being this retarded and still thinking you have anything worthwhile to say about any video game.

>>383203497
>he needs hats to be motivated to play a good game

Sad what we've come too.

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>>383213591
>CONTAMINATED THE GAME with raid mentality
The worst part is they didn't go far enough either way. If you could raid the entire game, great, make that the fucking game where you're one dude in a 40-man RTS army slaughtering NPCs and each other. Alterac Valley was great. But screwing people out of quest rewards and loot and exp for being in a group of six or more ANYWHERE but AV and the three semi-raid instances at the end of the game(or actual raids) was fucking stupid. You should have been able to low-level raid Jintha'alor or the castle full of orcs in Redridge. There should have been a fucking Stockades raid for level 15s to get used to raid play. THE FUCKING GAME TEACHES YOU NOTHING BUT 5 MANS OR LESS FOR HUNDREDS OF HOURS, THEN FLIPS THE FUCKING SCRIPT AND GIVES YOU RAID-OR-DIE MENTALITY WITH FUCKED-UP LOOT TABLES AND DROP RATES

FUCK YOU TIGOLE, FUCK YOU JEFF KAPLAN, FUCK YOU TOO FUROR, FUCK ALL YOU SHITHEAD TALENTLESS NO-DEV CUNTS WHO HAD NO FUCKING CLUE HOW TO MAKE SIMPLE DESIGN CHANGES THAT WOULD HAVE FIXED THE GODDAMN TRAINWRECK DESIGN YOU SHIPPED AND DEFENDED FOR YEARS GRRRAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGG

>>383214593
This isn't a Siege thread

>>383214697
Isn't Siege, literally, adding hatboxes?

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>>383214593
That's the thing, though. Overwatch isn't a good game, and cosmetic rewards are the only reason to keep playing since the game itself has no substance.

>>383196802

Holy shit this.

God dammit I don't even understand how people physically enjoy playing as a character that doesn't even have to track targets. Even fucking SYMMETRA has more of an aiming skill ceiling.

Every winston play ever is "jump in, shield down, dance around it like a faggot, run away" over and over until it sticks and you kill a mercy or any other 200~ hp hero. That or stall with your garbage ult for 15 seconds.

>>383213591
>>383214695

I feel like you and I play games for very different reasons. The worst parts of Vanilla were the unfocused, meandering, meaningless layers of garbage overlaying relatively straightforward win conditions. Raids tore that shit away. Creating raids with the diminished toolkit of pre-60 play would have been awful.

It's deeply strange that you are this upset over somebody choosing to not cater to you a decade and a half ago.

>>383215715
>diminished toolkit of pre-60 play
half the raid bosses didn't even have actual mechanics, so it wouldn't have been a stretch. The point would be to reinforce teamplay on that scale, and that that was how you should expect to play the game. The 1-59 game actually DID cater to me, but the 60 game was completely different and did nothing to prepare players for it, which is why less than 5% of the population participated in it.

>>383204836

While I hated roadshits with a passion and got so tired of one-trick pony trash getting dragged into the whole enemy team only to be instagibbed by the person who pulls you. I don't think I remember one time today where I saw a Roadhog. Are people really so bad that they can't scrape their target before they hook ? Can they not work with their team so that pulls get focused ?

Also yeah is ult is pretty bad and the fact he doesn't use the gun on his back at all triggers the shit out of me.

>>383216112

Then why are you even upset? Because a game you liked also had stuff I liked?

>>383215715
>you are this upset over somebody choosing to not cater to you a decade and a half ago
you should see the Star Wars Galaxies people shitting up the bioware star wars game. Those people drove one of the devs involved with the NGE to suicide, and it was actually just pinned on him unfairly by a different hack in charge, Jon Smedley.

Jon Smedley indirectly killed a member of his team.

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>>383216260
Shut the fuck up.

>>383216124
Yes, most Roadhog players are absolutely awful at the game.

Which is why they were playing Roadhog and using his massive hitbox hook.