>vidya opinions that legit make you mad What's her name,

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>>383124328
When people claim Souls games are good. The only reason people like them is because they're so "le hardcore XD" and other people said they were. good. Poorly designed garbage I dropped it at Sen's Fortress because the cheap unavoidable deaths pushed me over the edge. The fact they're so popular infuriates me.

Steam ain't mono-anything, because it's not an enforced or obligatory for anything. It has competition, and whole online distribution can be ignored entirely if you so desire.

Wanna see a business model that's been killing part of the industry for ages? Look no further than Gamestop and their active bloating of game prices. They have also efficiently massacred almost every other game store brand in the world.

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>Rhythm games don't need any skill, they are just memorization, bro

>>383124379
Seems like you need to git gud
Also they're good for other reasons than "le hard gaem ecksdee"

>>383124658
>Le git gud XD
The go to response when your precious sacred cow is criticized.

>>383124379
I appreciate the level design and atmosphere in the Souls games but you're just a bitter butthurt faggot so you'll probably lash out and try to poke holes in my simple opinion

>>383124921
I'm sure you do. That's what happens when you don't play enough games. You settle for generic shlock

>>383124802
>Le"Le XD"XD
The go to response when you don't have a good argument and got btfo

>>383125353
>You should have seen the unfair traps coming. I use a walkthrough so it's not bad game design :^))))))))))))))))))
Okay kid

>>383125442
Sounds like you don't like it, doesn't mean other people cant

>>383125442
But anon that IS the design. You play, you get jumped, you learn from it. Sounds like you just wanted someone to hold your hand the whole way.

>>383125561
If people make Call of Duty threads, they are mocked. It should be the same for Souls threads, but it's not for some reason.

>>383125658
>Trial and error is good
Epic. Simply epic

>>383124328
It's more of an oligopoly than a monopoly, since it has competitors.

>GoG
>Uplay
>Origin

>When someone claims souls games are good and act like souls is some holy grail of modern games
>when someone thinks the witcher 3 is good,or that witcher has good deepest lore
>when someone doesn't admit online multiplayer gaming and mobile gaming is cancer
>when people claim undertale is good
>when someone acts like pokemon didn't fie after gen 3

>every game should be open world

>>383125741
Do you literally have any arguments besides poorly quoting people and spouting memes?

>>383125665
Maybe because souls games are f u n

>>383124328

>Fallout 3 is an amazing game
>Fallout 4 is an amazing game
>Breath of the Wild redefined what it means to be Open World
>Souls games aren't hard, they're just cheap and unfair
>Game X not having this feature just makes it more hardcore
>Dark Souls 1 is the best in the series
Legit want to strangle these shit opinions

>>383125908
You kiddos treat it as the holy grail of modern games. It's infuriating seeing such a mediocre game get praised. I shouldn't have to elaborate, anybody with taste who has played them knows how mediocre they are.

>>383124328
> people stating that certain game mechanics and design choices are 'archaic' or 'outdated' for arbitrary reasons

>30 fps is enough
kys

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>>383126023
>insult
>hyperbole
>opinion
>"I shouldn't have to explain myself"
>"If you disagree you have no taste"
mhm

>when some shitter thinks souls is hard
>when some shitter thinks souls is good
>when some shitter uses "fun" to decribe a videogame and thinks its a positive thing
>when some shitter uses "comfy" to decribe a videogame and thinks its a positive thing
Vidya was never supposed to be "fun" or "comfy", and any "gamers" claiming so must be hanged.

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>>383124328
>Bamham/Assassin's Creed combat is the pinnacle of beat em up games
Listen, you can like them, but they're at the absolute bottom of the pecking order and I resent you and your microscopic genre view.

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>Silent Hill is a good video game movie

Its a fucking garbage cringe fest!

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>>383126209
>When games have boss fights

>>383126209
>vidya was never supposed to be fun

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>>383124379
>hating Sen's Funhouse

Be less terrible at video games. The traps are brain dead as is.

>WoW was ever good

>>383124526
>tfw I realize actually playing instruments is way more satisfying than playing rhythm games
>tfw all those autists could've spent their time actually learning an instrument instead of tapping on their screen like they're having seizure

>>383126023
>Baseless assumptions

I enjoy playing it from time to time, it's not my favorite game ever. Your irrational hatred for something because of its popularity is stupid.

>>383126295
Yes, they weren't. Video games are not a fucking hobby, like the girl gamers led you to believe. It is a fucking distraction, an escapade. Vidya is supposed to be alcoholism, but people have made it into wine tasting.

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>>383125886
>That one faggot whose opinions boil down to "it's good" or "it's shit" and spergs out if you don't fit in one or the other

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>>383126209
>When video games are good

>>383125442
>unfair traps
>signs of traps either visually or aurally available to you at all times
You're just a fucking moron.

>>383126446
>Vidya is supposed to be alcoholism, but people have made it into wine tasting.

Fucking THIS

>>383126290
As a huge fan of the first three games I liked it. The sequel was one of the worst things ever filmed though.

>>383126446
>getting pissed in your bathtub on cheap awful casked wine while smoking several packs of cigarettes in order to temporarily escape from your horrible fucking deadend existence isn't fun

>>383126193
>Shit combat
>Shit music
>Shit graphics
>Braindead AI
>Roll to win
>Lagfest PVP
>Cheap levels full of "gotcha" moments
>Terrible hitboxes
>Dull, boring levels (2 sewer levels in a row!!! Awesome XD)
>Bad Bosses
>Bosses who kill you almost instantly and basically require summoning
>Shit netcode making it impossible to play with friends (Probably because Dark Souls fans have no friends lol)

I could go on but I think I've made my point
>>383126403
I hate it because it's overhyped and not good you idiot.
>>383126474
Yeah if you're a filthy guide reader, which you are. I don't use the internet to play games for me, so I was cheapshotted multiple times.

>>383126446
Good luck distracting anything if you're not fun.

>>383126446
>How you drink is up to other people

Anon...

>>383125741
WAHH! i dont like how this game works so i'm gonna call people who do like it idiots!!

You ever thought that people have different opinions? Damn man get a life

>>383124379
Well it's a good thing that there's a good selection of walking simulators or interactive movies available so you don't need to do or think when you want to play video games.

>>383126557
>Terrible hitboxes
Alright guy, I'll bite. The Souls series is particularly solid in this regard, so in your opinion what games do have good melee hitboxes then?

>>383126612
Or I could play an actually good game like Ninja Gaiden Black or Devil May Cry 3. Real games that you kiddies will never be able to experience because they require skill and you can't just read guides.
>>383126686
Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden or basically any Platinum or Clover game. Not that you would know since they came out before you were born.

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>>383126557
>Yeah if you're a filthy guide reader
You really think people needed a guide for DaS? Just how bad at games are you anon?

>>383126570
Yes it is when the population influences the industry.
Every faggot and his dog likes souls, so we get more shitty souls clones.
Every faggot and his dog likes shitty co-op multiplayers, so we get quake clones with different graphics, skins and a shitty gimmick.
At this point I can post a pic of some CoD and I'm sure none of you faggots will notice it isn't CoD but some other pew pew FPS shooter you play with your shitty normie friends for your shitty "fun"

>>383126746
There's no arguing with soul fags. Just because it's hard for normies, they think they're some elite force of gaming and souls is the holy grail

>>383126557
>Shit combat

Stopped reading.

>>383126798
I didn't use a guide but if you claim the level design is good and not reliant on cheap tricks, you read a guide. Next you'll pretend like you didn't, but it's the only way you could actually enjoy the cheap garbage this game calls challenge.

>>383126746
>Devil May Cry
>Ninja Gaiden
>Good hitboxes
Dude what? I loved the fuck out of DMC and NG but all the hitboxes in those game are oversized and without nuance.

>>383126557
>I hate it because it's overhyped

Yes we know anon

>>383126874
Yes, yes, souls pioneered combat

>>383126874
>He likes Souls combat
Embarassing
>>383126942
>I've never played them
Thanks for sharing. The hitboxes as well as the rest of the games are basically perfect. Which you would know if you stepped outside of your Souls comfort zone

>>383126869
where do you braindead monkeys get the idea that people cum over the fact that they beat a hard game? usually people say 'git gud' in response to some cry baby like you and >>383124379 that dont make it past a certain point in the game 'because it was too difficult'. we laugh because its so painfully easy once you play it and actually learn what you're doing wrong to improve.

>>383127034
Imagine being this retarded

>>383127116
I don't like Souls games though?
>>383127098
I didn't quit because it was hard. I quit because it was cheap and boring. I've beaten far harder games.

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This whole thread is the spawn of some beta that doesnt like games that are challenging and mainstream

>>383126557
>you're a filthy guide reader

How did you come to this assumption? All floor traps can be seen a mile away, and the Indiana Jones boulders ha e loud as fuck sound queues.


You're just a shitposter.

>>383126746
I respect your opinion about those games, they're great, but I consider it unfair to compare such games to Souls since they're very different from each other mechanically. I could go and say that Uncharted is a great game and DMC is overhyped shit and only retards with no taste like it because DMC has a joke for a story, which is not it's priority. But I won't do so because I can see past the story what it's strengths are and appreciate those.

I mean I don't know if you're just baiting replies or not, but I also want to point out that Platinum games rehash mechanically a lot. Clover was at least unique and sometimes innovative (God Hand).

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>>383124328
doesn't really make me mad, but i shake my head at all the anti-Japanese sentiment spread all over this board by redditors. They're the same people who will praise AAA garbage like Witcher 3 and Souls games but literally cannot contain themselves and will loudly shitpost whenever someone is having fun with anything anime related. they kick and scream and cry weeaboo and it's annoying. but it's only underage shitposters who do that so i wish i could just report them.

>>383125969
>Souls games aren't hard, they're just cheap and unfair
>Dark Souls 1 is the best in the series
But both of these are true, anon.
>Game X not having this feature just makes it more hardcore
Funny that you also included this considering it's a common argument when people try to defend Dark Souls.

>>383127196
okay so you found the game cheap and boring, for i presume the same reasons as >>383126557 ?

Why does that suddenly mean the game is terrible? Because you didnt enjoy it? You came to post here to do what? Convice us? What is your endgame..

>>383127215
>M-m-maybe if I pretend I didn't read a guide he'll fall for it
The floor tiles are impossible to see your first time dying to them and the boulder is impossible to avoid since you don't know it's coming. Not to mention the cheap mimic and elevator traps. And that's just in Sen's Fortress alone
>>383127268
>Great
Unlike your retarded analogy, Souls games don't do a single thing that another game doesn't do better. There is nothing unique about them. DMC is a far better game than Souls will ever be.

>>383127098
Amazing. It is true that liking souls makes you retarded, because I just witnessed your post. It is a miracle you are capable of even solving the captcha, to post here. Maybe you don't solve the captcha, you made your single fucking mother buy you a 4chan pass.
I never claimed that souls is too hard for me.It's just shit. I didn't like it , so I dropped it, and now I laugh at retards who actually think its good, and go as far as to argue with people on mongolian autism awareness forums that it is good.
Look dude, you gave me an amazing idea. I could base my medical research on the topic of how western shit overhyped games are making underage normies fucking retarded.

>>383127372
You quoted me twice you retard. I came here to follow the thread topic and then I was swarmed by From drones like you.

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>>383126874
Sorry but Souls combat is horrible. It's balanced for PVP so all your attacks are either extremely sluggish or bogged down with absolutely shit damage. There's also no real depth to it other than "spacing" and taking advantage of invincibility frames. Souls games would be way better if duel-shitters hadn't influenced the development so much.

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>>383126746

Here we go, it's the retard who compares hack n slash games like dmc to an arpg like dark souls, this is new.

>>383127034
>The hitboxes as well as the rest of the games are basically perfect
I never said they were bad, I said they were oversized and without nuance. Let me clarify. The Souls series has a lot of cool little animations that affect your hurtbox to the point where you can avoid some hitboxes, so it's nuanced. In DMC/NG the point is to obey the intention of the player; so when you swing your weapon, you intend to hit, and that's what will happen if the enemy is within a reasonable distance. In other words, it's like if I said "show me a better cake" and you pointed to a solid block of chocolate, and when I said "that's not a cake" you said "obviously you've never had chocolate."
tldr; you're a retard

>>383127401
>The floor tiles are impossible to see

Tell that to demon's souls.
Idiot.

Halo is babby's first FPS, but Half-Life isn't.

>>383127202
Right? It's amazing, the butthurt is palpable

>>383127517
>You have to play a different game to enjoy Dark Souls
Delusional. Simply delusional.
>>383127512
Just like Shit Souls and its shitty enemy hitboxes that goes through walls.

>>383127517
Did Demon's Souls have floor tile traps?

Oh yeah, in the windy place. I died super hard to those. Not a big deal, though. Not the guy you're talking to either.

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>>383126746
>Ninja Gaiden Black or Devil May Cry 3. Real games that you kiddies will never be able to experience because they require skill

>this coming from the retard who can't even get past Sen's Fortress

>>383127475
Thought you were two different people since you replied to yourself suggesting you were 2 different people, we wouldnt swarm if you werent a degenerate who's opinion is trash

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>>383124328
>when people think rated E for everyone means it's a game for kids

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>>383127470
>Maybe you don't solve the captcha, you made your single fucking mother buy you a 4chan pass
The projection is real

>>383127630
It's almost like those games are well designed or something.

>>383127401
DMC is the game that us oldschool action game guys right xD keep bringing up since they got shat on by the new Dante being popular and getting good reviews. You will keep saying that overrated shit is the holy grail of action games, when even DmC is a far better action game than any of the other entries.

>>383127470
All i gotta do is tick a box, not much to solve there..
>I never claimed that souls is too hard for me.It's just shit. I didn't like it , so I dropped it, and now I laugh at retards who actually think its good, and go as far as to argue with people on mongolian autism awareness forums that it is good.
Okay glad we figured out you're a child who doesnt like it when people enjoy different games. "Sens fortress has like 2 traps th-that killed me and it was unfair!!! everyone who likes this g-game is a loser!!"

>>383127602
>Just like Shit Souls and its shitty enemy hitboxes that goes through walls
That's not even close to a coherent response to my post. Are you so buttflustered that you can't form a complete thought?

>>383127710
Point is you're making yourself and the games you like look bad with your incompetence, since Souls games are just nice easy-going aRPGs with a currency retrieval system.

>>383127673
>can't think of a retort
>"PROJECTION ! POJECTION HAHAHA PROJECTION !"
I'll project my dick in your ass fool

>>383127817
Confirmed retard

>>383127772
DmC DMC, it doesn't matter. They're all better than Souls games.
>>383127814
*poorly designed ARPG that is extremely overratted by Redditors and nu-/v/
>>383127797
Souls has garbage hitboxes that go through walls. Is that simple enough for you From Drone?

OH YEAHH FUCKING DARK SOULS IM GONNA FUCKING CUM OH YEAH HOLY SHIT THIS IS AMAZING DARK SOULS DARK SOULS DARK SOULS OHHHHH YEAAAAAAAAA

>>383127781
I'm not that guy cucco

>>383127710

It's as if you're just trying to sound hardcore by namedropping or something. Mention God Hand next.

>>383126798
He may be a sperging autist, but you're misunderstanding his point. If you honestly didn't fall for any of the cheap traps the developer prepared for you then yes, you probably did use a guide.

>>383127932
>*poorly designed ARPG that is extremely overratted by Redditors and nu-/v/
You don't understand. They're easy. It's not DMC on Dante Must Die. And you claim to be physically incapable of beating some fucking 20 second long level with half a dozen axe and arrow traps?

You're making DMC look worse. So stop posting, because I like that series. Fucking idiot.

>>383127971
GOd hand is nothing combared with urban rain

>When people think racing games are hold gas to win yet they play on the easiest difficulties with a bunch of driving aides on

>>383127932
I don't even like Souls games, but DMC is the most overrated trash in existence. And everything that falls into the similar style, Platinum games, 3D Ninja Gaiden.

>>383128025
but most driving games are like that on default. when you boot up forza abs is on

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>>383127971
>Trying to sound hardcore
Coming from a Soulsbabby. As if you could even handle God Hand
>>383128017
I'm not incapable. I just don't want to. I could turn every lamp in my house upside down, but I won't because that would just be stupid and asinine. Just like playing Soulls

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>>383124328
I've never seen a reason to hate Steam and I've been on it for nearly a decade.

>get games for cheap, can play them whenever I want
>can sell items from games to get Steambux to more other in-game items or more games

Sure they've made some fuck-ups along the way, but its never prevented me from doing the above.

>>383127271
no way, fag. Anime is for losers and shutins. Have fun fucking your blow up doll

>>383128051
Uh oh guys. We got a contrarian here.

OH DARK SOULS IM FUCKING CUMMING AHHHHHHHHHHHA HAHAHA AHHH

You people are the fucking worst. Please pause your autism. RPGs in general are fucking gay and only people without actual role or purpose in life would play them.

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>>383124379
>Sen's Fortress
>Unavoidable deaths
This is never not funny

>>383127934
>Ywn be this upset that you can't beat a level in a relatively easy game.

>>383128083
Yes, for casuals. After you win a bit the game basically calls you a casual and tells you to up the difficulty. You get more in game credits for playing on harder difficulties with less assists on.

>>383124328
>MMORPG is good

>>383128223
>I used a guide so everyone else did do
Ebin.

The outright hostility to a contained single player experience. Everything is about anything besides that. You online xp bar, how many purple weapons you have or whatever. It's considered a flaw these days if you have the balls to just make a game and focus on the actual act of the game. Final Fantasy XV is considered a bad game, not because of its numerous actual flaws, but because it ends.

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>>383127934
>>383128210

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>>383128125

You couldn't even get past Sen's so stop trying to make it sound like you finished god hand kms run.

>>383128314
Eat a fucking dick, you niggardly mongoloid toilet cleaner.

>>383128292
>I died to something that isnt even a one-hit, but i didnt see it coming, everyone else must be using a guide
"I didnt use a guide"
>LALALALALALALALAL YES YOU DID DONT LIE LALALALALALA

>>383124379
>the cheap unavoidable deaths
They are completely avoidable though
The first mimic is a big gotcha but everything else is a trap you can detect before it happens

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>>383126209
>Video games were never supposed to be fun

>>383127630
>Devil May Cry 3. Real games that you kiddies will never be able to experience because they require skill
Devil May Cry 3 had some bosses that used prediction almost like cheating AI in fighting games (I specifically remember the final Vergil fight having prediction, don't remember other instances but I'm going to assume the other Vergil fights did too), I didn't like that. The game isn't horrible but it just felt like a cheap knockoff of the first, the only game I can say I really liked was the first one, have played it probably 10 times, beating DMD 3 times.

4 had the same problems with prediction/cheating AI during the Dante fight, and then all the backtracking right after that wasn't good either.

The Souls games aren't bad, at least 1 wasn't. 2 was. 2 had a lot more cheap deaths and hitbox issues. 1 was difficult but only until you learned what path to take/how to build your character, then it got a lot easier. It had a lot of cheapness too though, Bed of Chaos was a horrible boss fight.

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>>383128373
Come on you can do better than that

>>383128448
More to the point, it takes 10-20 seconds to get back to where you were, levels in Dark Souls are short unless you're playing like a faggot.

>Minecraft is terrible and full of autism even though I'm a 2X year old person and not a 10 year old kid the game is aimed at.

>>383128370
Why would I play a shitty game I don't even like? I could easily get past Sen's if I wanted too but I don't. It's like how I could beat Hard mode on Sonic 2006. I could but there's no reason too.
>>383128403
You're so upset that I'm cirticising your shit overated game that you're typing in all caps. How sad.
>>383128448
Maybe if I was a guide reader like you.

>>383126446
But if they're not fun why get distracted by them?
Do you not find shoving mind-altering substances into yourself fun?

Aren't DS games easy if

>You know what you're doing (controls, basic mechanics)
>You are patient
>You are willing to perform trial and error

>>383128484
Your intelligence quotient is lower than that of the most unintelligent negroid to have ever lived. Succ

>>383128557
Okay this is just obvious bait now, the poster has no intention of actually listening to people please ignore this brainless mouthbreather.. nothing to see here folks move on.

>>383128668
What do you have against people who breathe out their mouths? Do you even lift, bro?

>>383128626
>You know what you're doing (controls, basic mechanics)
This is the main one. The game not telling you about scaling and i-frames is a sour move, and after that you never have trouble again.

That said I'm the dumbass who sold all my crystal flasks in King's Field 2.

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>>383128557
>could easily get past Sen's if I wanted too but I don't.

>>383128473
Also I thought Donte was pretty silly in DmC, but still gave the game a chance. It was okay. The bosses weren't really challenging and the multiple color-coded enemies were kind of lame though.

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>>383126557
>Yeah if you're a filthy guide reader, which you are.
>I-if you caught things I didn't you cheated
Aww, did you think you were the best at video games? Did you get mad when you weren't?
That's okay, go play a nice easy RPG to reassure yourself

>>383128731
>sold all my crystal flasks in King's Field 2
Triggered

>>383128759
The colour-coded enemies are a carry-over from Heavenly Sword, where it was equally as fucking lame.

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>the amount of professional fisherman and schools of newfags in this thread

>>383128731
I mean knowing about rolling, blocking, not just flailing wildly to kill enemies. If you're willing to block and play defensively you'll be there forever but you'll live longer.

>>383127034
Oh fuck
It's bait
How did I not see this sooner

>>383126798
It wasn't necessary to use a guide but there's a lot of things the game doesn't explain to you like poise breakpoints or makes unnecessarily tedious like looking for fake walls. It's poor game design in those regards that is only more acceptable because of easily getting that information through the internet.

>>383128861
Oh. I mean yeah, even normies played Legend of Zelda, I'm sure they grasped that.

>>383128668
You are so mad holy shit. Why would I listen to retards like you who say
>If you watched a walkthrough like I did the game is fair :^) The floor traps are totally visible your first time through. The bloody elevator is totally obvious. I'm not just saying this because I want to fit in, these games are totally good!!!!!!

Kill yourself you retarded faggot.
>>383128747
>If you don't stick your hand into a barrel of needles ur not hardcore bro :^)
You kill yourself to.
>>383128764
I've beaten Ninja Gaiden Black which is 100x more difficult than Souls will ever be. It's jsut actually well desingned which you wouldn't knoww about Fromdrone
>>383128862
>If you disagree with me your just baiting
Why don't you go to Reddit? You'd fit right in there. They also like Souls games alot and have never played actually good games either.

>>383128921

Summerfags need to be more subtle.

>>383128825
I fucking know right. I deliberately shit on dark souls to single out raging newfags.That being said, souls isn't really shit. It's not bad, it's not good. It's nothing remarkable, but seeing underages acting like it's the greatest game ever is truly amazing. I mean, how casual can one be ?

>>383128921
>>383128964
In fact, we should dox everyone in this thread and threaten their livelihood. It's the only sane thing to do, Anon.

>>383128964
Kill yourself you retarded Fromdrone. You're the cancer killling this board.
>If you don't agree with me 100% your just a (insert buzzword here)
Go back to redit you insufferable faggot.

>>383128795
Yeah I remember reading that. I know DMC1 had the "plasma" lightning enemies that you couldn't use Alastor on, but that was the only enemy like that so it was okay, it made them unique. But when it happens over and over it gets tedious, it started to feel like a game for toddlers about picking opposite colors instead of an action game that relied on your reflexes and skill.

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>>383128921
I pointed out the fact that you don't want to listen to what people had to say and all you did was mention "this guy used caps to emphasize shouting what a gaylord" get gud

>Graphics on Nintendo games like Mario, DK, and Kirby matter

>>383129019
>but seeing underages acting like it's the greatest game ever is truly amazing
This never happens though.

>>383129047
Just kidding, wouldn't want to hurt Tommy Wiseau over here.

>>383129071
Why would I listen to a child who can't control his emotions?

>>383129047
>>383129186
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>383129141
It does, usually with people who haven't played any challenging single player games before.

>>383129514
Do you mean on some other website you go on? Because I guarantee you, nobody here does this.

>>383126209

Take your (you) and go home.

>>383124328
how is it a monopoly if there is gog ubiplay and origin?

Anon I think you dont know hat monopoly means.

>>383128118
Is it actually any good?
Cause I got turned away immediately by the art style, not because of some stupid 'questionable content' shit but because games that have that sort of art style are almost universally terrible

Holy shit niggers stop taking the bait
It's not even good bait

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When people say Life is Straneg is good. I can tolerate people liking a lot of shit games, because they usually have something, however small that something is, that I can understand why it woudl appeal to somebody, but Life is Strange is just abysmal on every front. And then on top of that Hitman almost died and Deus Ex may already be dead because of Square Enix, and while that may be FFXV's fault more than anything, there are still enough people who bought and praised LiS that Square Enix decided to allow a prequel and sequel to the schlock that is LiS while just tossing these other two series, that are far better even at their worst, to the side. It's a terrible game and if you like it, you should feel bad.

>>383129764
>Any opinion I disagree with is bait
Cancer

>>383124379
>Sens fortress
Odd that this would be the place that made you ragequit. I never had any issue with it and I did not use a guide. Shit like ornstein and smough were tough

>>383124328
>Some retard saying a game is good
>"Why?"
>"It just feels good man"
>I say it's shit and list the reasons
>"Well let's agree to disagree"
This happened more then once and everyone who does that is a faggot

Dark Souls games aren't hard, they're basically Castlevanias with less unlockables.

However all these "DS SUCKS XDDD" people can also fuck off since all their arguments boil down to "it's shit". Just like the guy earlier in the thread that compared it to DMC for some reason.

>>383128118
Most people don't want to play a game that looks like it has child porn in it, and that's a good thing.

>>383129753
Everyone who played it on /v/ swears by it. Isn't that reason enough other then "artstyle looks pedo :("?

>mfw when some autistic westcuck says he unironically likes some trash westcuck game
Fucking disgusting. Kys.

>>383125173
Dark Souls isn't generic shlock though. It's incredibly stylish loveletter to dark fantasy.

But you're just baiting anyway so whatever.

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>fag claims that the soundtrack is the least important aspect in a game

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>>383129898
The first time I played DaS after looking forward to it since its announcement I stopped after Sens Fortress because I couldn't figure out where to go. I still feel retarded for that to this day.

>>383130130
I believe that you believe this

>>383130035
They will never be as valiant as we are, they'll always flock to shit games and social justice.

>>383130132
What is below soundtrack?

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>>383128292
>I am the best at video games so if I couldn't do it without a guide obviously no one else can
Heh

>>383124379
The problem with the Souls games isn't that they're hard, or that you fail a lot, it's that they don't understand what they expect of the player.

Super Meat Boy is harder to clear than Dark Souls. By a wide margin, I would argue. It's merciless and unforgiving, and a zero-death run of SMB would take 5000x as many tries-from-start as a zero-death run of DaS.

But in Super Meat Boy, when you die, you immediately respawn and try again. When you clear the level, the game even shows you all of your attempts as a form of positive reinforcement; it shows you how your hard work has led to your improvement.

Meanwhile in DaS and its like, when you die, the game punishes you a second time. Not only are you sent back to the checkpoint, but you have to run back to your corpse to gather up your shit, and by late-game you're also permanently weakened every time you die... as if the game is saying "I get that this was too hard for you, so we just made it even HARDER. Now run back and deal with collecting your shit in an area you were underleveled for and then still clear it." Punishment on top of punishment.

That's the problem with Dark Souls. It's not that it's hard, and it's not even that it's unfairly or "artificially" hard, it's that it punishes death like it expects you to never die, but then designs challenges in a way where you're absolutely going to die all the fucking time.

>>383130225
Graphics because 10 years from now it's going to be outdated, but a good soundtrack/gameplay design last more then that

>>383128631
That's still pretty high, negros are scientifically the smartest race on Earth

>>383130274
>By late game you're permanently weakened every time you die
Que?

>>383130312
I think it's wrong to separate graphics from art design. Graphics and aren't design make up how the game looks. the look of the game is important.

>>383128921
You sure know a lot about Reddit friendo

>>383130410
Doesn't it reduce your max HP on death?

>>383128921
But anon, I never had any help or assistance with my first run of Dark Souls and I didn't die to a single trap in Sen's
Besides the Mimic desu

>People who say the Witcher 3 is bad
I almost feel bad for them, for missing out on such a great experience.

>>383130509
You're thinking of DeS or DaS2 or DaS3. All of which have ways to lessen or eventually circumvent the punishment.

>>383129997
>Everyone who played it on /v/ swears by it. Isn't that reason enough
No
I honestly wish it was but it really fucking isn't

>artstyle looks pedo
I don't give a flying shit about the artstyle looking pedo
What turns me off is that it looks like it's doing it to pander to weebs and try and cover the flaws of the game

>>383130225
Graphics

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>>383130274
You're wrong. Not because your reasoning is flawed, but because you fell for the same marketing meme Souls fans did.

Dark Souls isn't difficult. Most any enemy can be defeated EFFORTLESSLY by utilising one of the most fundamental vidya manoeuvres in existence. Of course, you'd need to have played a video game before 2005, preferably something like Quake, and learn what "circlestrafing" is. Dark Souls even gives you full fucking i-frames on backstabs. That makes things even more trivial.

And this is the crux of the problem, because for a game that focuses on PvE combat first of all (duelfags can piss off, please; PvP is a secondary mode), the game simply lacks the sophistication to deliver on its intended design. The AI is dumb as rocks (as dumb as randomly jumping down holes to its death, including bosses), combat animations are weightless and lack hitstop, enemy variety is nil (compounded by nearly all of them using the same AI patterns), and it all rapidly becomes tedious thanks to the endless respawning.

This is the problem with Souls. Not the difficulty, not the lacklustre storytelling, and not the barren design. The problem is the execution utterly fails to deliver on the premise. But hey, what do I know? I probably just need to git gud, right?

>>383130585
>you're thinking of the majority of games in the franchise
That's kind of making my point, I'm talking about Souls games overall, and more generally how this death mechanic has come to infect otherwise-good games and wreck their playability because developers want the DaS audience.

>All of which have ways to lessen or eventually circumvent the punishment
Okay, but it doesn't change the fact that when presented with a situation the player is not good enough to overcome, the game's response is to
(a) mandate they immediately make another attempt by leaving important shit on their corpse in the middle of the danger area which must be collected soon and before they die again and
(b) make them weaker this time than they were the last time they attempted it.

If you wander into an area where you are not prepared for the challenge (since the games are nonlinear and this sort of thing can happen), you're fucked. You HAVE to go slog your way back to that place, and now in addition to the challenge of the fight, you have to run to your body, pick up your shit, and STILL clear the fight. Oh, and your max HP is smaller.

It was too hard, so we made it even harder. That's just plain bad game design.

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I'm not all for the valve monopoly
, but I can definitely admit to hating companies for making mini steam launchers.

It's annoying to deal with 6+ launchers for digital and physical games compared to consoles where it's very uniform/centralized

>>383130789
>Monster Hunter fan complaining about tedium
?

>>383130789
I already said, the difficulty isn't what's at question, it's the way the difficulty scaling is designed.

No matter how easy or hard the game is, you don't respond to player failure by making their second attempt more challenging than the first one where they failed.

Proper difficulty scaling is a series of fixed walls: you come to the wall, and the wall says "you must be this good to advance". And the game stops you, right there at that wall, and you cannot advance until you get good. Then once you do, you are past the wall, and the next wall is slightly higher and it says the same thing.

And this repeats onward and upward until the highest wall, which is the final level/boss/challenge.

Games (like DMC4 or Mario 3D World) that make the walls shorter the longer you are stuck at them are bad. Games (like Soulslikes) that make the walls taller the longer you are stuck at them are bad.

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>>383130932
Assumptions aside, even MH monsters have better AI and more variety than Souls enemies. So there's that. They're both tedious, but MH is slightly better in this respect. It helps that MH's weapons actually feel like you're swinging something.

>>383124505
Steam isn't that bad, because they actually have built into something worthwhile. Uplay and Origin are garbage competitors.
However I would say the most cancerous thing in the industry now with Steam. Is that a lot of physical games now are literally a slip of paper in the case with the steam key. If it does come with a disk, half the time now it's simply the base load game, steam must be installed anyways so it comes with an installer to steam. Or plain out is just the installer for steam with the steam key print.

>>383131042
I can't stand farming. It just turns me off even more than grinding for some reason. I guess it's just an autistic thing about me. I've only beaten Tri, so you can call me a retarded casual if you want, but I can honestly say I gave Monster Hunter an honest shot and it wasn't for me.

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If you get mad about people's opinions you are either underage or autistic, or both.

> waifufag tries to say that game with half-naked heroines is good because of it's gameplay

>>383130717
It panders and has good gameplay. It was a win win by standard. That's why threads remained pretty consistent throughout /v/ on it's release and still gets mentions today. Most of the weeb pandering people bitch about literally is satire in of itself, given the game makes fun of itself on self realization to it's pandering.

I'm fine with a game catering to it's actual audience though, keeps douchebags out of my styles.

>>383131019
Never play Demon's Souls because it's actually even worse than the rest of the series in this regard.

>>383131245
Are you implying a game with half-naked heroines can't have good gameplay?

>>383131195
I haven't played any MH game past P3rd, so I can't say how bad the farming is in the later ones, but back in FU it was only necessary if you absolutely, irrevocably wanted to upgrade everything. Which wasn't even necessary. My Kirin set (yeah, I know) carried me through High Rank, and I hardly ever used anything but whatever latest Ravager line GS I had at the time.

>>383124328
>game has a huge amount of character customization choices
>you win or lose based on how you customize
>the game's combat itself is braindead simple and half as mechanically intensive than the average Zelda game
>people claim it's the deepest, hardest, most patrician game to ever exist when they're fucking addicted to the (most likely deliberate) Skinner box mechanics and are just using that to justify their addiction

This shit pisses me off. If that were true, Custom Robo wouldn't be a busted piece of shit that takes absolutely zero skill to metagame properly. Hint: you pick Stun as your primary weapon, pick a fast mech to get close, and mash B until your opponent dies. This doesn't change in an ARPG or MOBA just because you have to poopsock through hordes of trivial enemies just to unlock the customization options. Adding a million leveling perks does not make the game deep, especially when it's super fucking obvious how to minmax them. Just because you can build 100 different items on your character does not mean that they are all viable, and just because one of them is a dodge does not make your glorified medieval fantasy Cookie Clicker clone harder than an actually skill-intensive game like Guilty Gear XXAC or some shit.

>>383131195
Yeah the farm grind can be stupid
I still remember the time I killed the same monster 86 times trying to get one specific item and then got it from a pile of goo on the ground with a >1% drop rate

>>383131306
That's fair enough, I guess I'm a faggot for ignoring it due to art style but it helps me avoid a lot of stupid shit so whatever

>>383131019
That's what makes it tense though.

That is okay for open worlds to be empty and boring because that's how the real world is.

>>383131408
>you win or lose based on how you customize
I've stopped playing any game that has character customization or classes like that. It's never balanced and I got tired of it.

>>383124328
Any 1 star review on Steam/Metacritic/wherever for technical reasons or reasons unrelated to the game itself. Game won't run, write support. Don't like DRM, don't buy it. Don't bloat the user reviews with that crap.

>>383131383
I was more talking about the resource farming. But all the Lagiacrus farming I had to do really bummed me out.

>>383131768
Don't reply to me

>>383126446
>this is SUPPOSED to be this way
>nobody is allowed to enjoy it any other way

>purely because I say so

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>>383128905
>>383126919
>>383128013
>If you didn't die like a retard you HAD to have used a guide
>NOBODY could have figured out something I didn't
Five fucking years later and you retards are still mad. A major reason the games are fun is requiring you to take shit slowly and carefully, and it teaches you that early on. If you're blindly running forward still come sens it's entirely your own fault. The only "cheap" death you could argue there would be the first time the boulder changes direction.

>>383132576
Lol nerd

>>383124328
>Anime games to steam was a good idea

>>383125886
Name something positive instead of being a cunt

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>>383132661
Dogs are cute

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>>383130789
>"circlestrafing"
>cleared DS1 by circlestrafing with a shield up like a pussy the entire game
>it worked

>>383124379
>>383124328
holy shit two correct posts in the first two posts

its a miracle

steam is just DRM and a ripoff shop but we have been cucked by it for so long we accept it

souls is clunky and the combat sucks, just trial and error grinding vs ai. only reason its popular is its japanese

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>>383124328
Can someone explain how either of these things are true?

Steam isn't a monopoly because there are countless competitors you can use instead.
It's not ruining vidya either, that's mostly big publishers and us - the people who buy shit games with overpriced DLC and cut content.

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>Fighting games are too hard

>>383132576
I'm the first post you quoted and I wasn't talking about anything you said. I was talking about guides/looking things up for things like fake walls and poise breakpoints. Bed of Chaos was cheap though.

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>>383127271
>you share a board with '''people''' like this guy

i curse you to a lifetime of bad luck. enjoy

>>383132932
I think I meant to link another post complaining about a guide. You're vaguely right about stuff like that, but you don't need to understand either to play the game really.

>>383127271
Stop equating "liking a western game" to "anti-japanese" you fucking aspie.

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>>383132576
So you are willing to admit that there is one "cheap" death in the game. Not sure why you were replying to me if you actually agree. I also never claimed that it is impossible to avoid shit. I said that it is highly unlikely that someone who goes into the game completely blind would never fall for any of that shit.

Apologize.

>>383132881
>I-I can't do this simple motion :( why is it so complicated???
>Well maybe if you just try for a few seconds and figure out where you're mess-
>EW NO I'M NOT SOME AUTIST WHO SPENDS 500 HOURS TRAINING >:(

>MGSV is a good game.

>>383133371
>one cheap death in the entire game
>GAME RUINED EVERYTHING SHIT

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>>383134260
Nice strawman. Fuck off.

>>383124328
>monopoly

I don't think you know what that word means.

>>383133794
The mechanical difficulty of manipulating the controller should not be a factor in a good video game
All fighting games are for pathetic losers

>>383134656
That's not though.
You're claiming that it's shit because of a single cheap death. Feel free to restate your argument to something not retarded if you think that's still a strawman.

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>>383135230
Jesus christ can you finally fuck off? I have never been arguing anything and I'm not interested in arguing with you. Refer to my original post >>383128013. I never said anything about the quality of the game or whatever. I was merely correcting someone and now I get a rabid fromdrone jumping down my throat. Can you find someone else, please? Yes, I don't like some things about the game which are admittedly subjective to a degree, but they don't belong here and I don't want to argue about it. You were also moving the goalposts earlier. Do not reply to me again.

>The story of Dragon's Dogma is garbage
100% sign they didn't beat the game. Its fine to not beat a game but to not beat it then make a statement about an element of the game that can't be assessed fully without beating it is just petty. Whenever you call them out they just "that kid" rage against you. Its fine to not like the overworld or the cut and paste enemies, or the quest structure, but to blanket claim the story is bad or "unoriginal" is just wrong.

>roguelikes are "too hard"
they are intricate and in depth, you can usually pull up an in depth manual in game that will tell you how EVERYTHING works in the game. If you still fail in spectacular fashion with such a wealth of information at your disposal you are just bad at them.

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>>383124328
>game has great gameplay and has lots of content
>runs 55 fps instead of 60 fps
>"the game is fucking trash, everyone else who says otherwise is a retarded shill"

>Console war bullshit
>Fanboyism in general
>Hating a game because of it's genre or nation of origin.
>Bethesda apologists for paid mods

>I don't like motion controls, its just waggle
These guys are the worst casuals. Just because they are autistic spastics who refuse to learn more than one control scheme they hoot and holler every time a game doesn't play like their personal favorite. Their unwillingness to give anything unfamiliar a chance even if its been proven to work well is the sole reason for all the sameness in modern games.

>>383126209
this is bait

>>383136360
Dragon's Dogma dies the second you leave the starting town
What a shitty unpolished collection of game mechanics that mess was

>>383124328
VR hate.

This board pretty much hates everything, but everytime I see one of those VR hate threads it annoys me more than it should.

>>383136942
But did you beat it? The story payoff for why the dragon steals your heart, why it was your heart, why the dragon exists is all explained in a wonderful wtf moment. Then BBI comes along and explains why the headcanon you create to escape the lore trap is also a trap.

>>383136360
>The story of Dragon's Dogma is garbage
That's completely fair to say. I think some of the ideas in the story are good, but it's backloaded and gimped by the cut content to such a point that I can hardy blame someone for thinking it's a bad story. Like how when you beat Grigori and the world goes to shit for reasons that are never even touched upon. The story with Dark Arisen on BBI is good, but the main story is pretty bad.

>>383131325
Actually not really. The trick is to kill first boss in Boletaria Palace, then do fights in mines till first boss, then shadowmen or Valley of Defilement. If you stick to one world you'll get your ass handed to you moments after entering new area after defeating the boss, but if you jump between archstones you'll be just fine.

>>383136826
>proven to work well
Show me one (1) motion control scheme that works well

>>383137862
Metroid Prime 3 would be perfect if there were less >point at the screen and turn the key gimmicks

>>383138058
Firstly "Metroid Prime 3" is not a control scheme, you meant the Wii
Secondly, the Wii's motion controls were a pile of dogshit, barely functional for most games and downright awful for the rest

They even had to bring out an extra thing you could plug into the controllers to try and make them not shit and it still worked like ass

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>>383132951
O fug, Gaben likes anime, truly /ourguy/ hero /v deserves, so handsome mmmm,

>>383130810
>You HAVE to go slog your way back to that place
No you don't. If you get your ass beat you can just abandon that bloodstain and go elsewhere.

>It was too hard, so we made it even harder.
It also makes it easier. Being in soul/hollow/unembered form makes you immune to invasions.

>That's just plain bad game design.
Giving the player rare items that alter the difficulty and raise the tension on the fly is great game design.
They experimented with having no death penalty in DaS1, and it didn't work. It made the game worse. Most first-time players would spend the whole game in hollow form because there's no objective disadvantage besides looking like beef jerky.

If you had actually played the games and weren't just regurgitating memes from /v/ you'd understand.

>>383124328
speaking of Steam

I have a pretty good idea of what's going to happen when Steam goes away.

I imagine it'll be replaced by a program called "Fream" (which is a portmanteau of Free and Steam). It'll be a wonderful open-source program where you can freely download abandonware games (which will be 99% of games at this point) and it'll have all of the features such as auto updating, communities, and whatnot.

In fact, people should be trying to make this right now.

>>383124328
I'm mad because you don't know what monopoly means.

>>383137862
Zelda SS , Elebits, wii fishing games, boom blox, all the breakout like games where you tilt the controller on the wii, Splatoon, mario kart tilt controls, SF0 was a great proof of concept for gyro aiming in railshooters even if the second screen view was unsuccessful and the game was lacking content and multiplayer.

>>383138257
>basing your opinion on old technology
Motion controls continue to make huge strides

>>383140086
You're still naming games and not control schemes

>>383140345
I'll give you the fact that it has improved dramatically but that doesn't change the fact that without physical feedback it will remain immersive and inferior to using a controller

>>383126746
>baaaaaaaaw you are not HARDCORE i'am HARDCORE
lel

Where does this Steam is ruining vidya meme even come from? The pricing of games on steam is fair (some countries excluded, but that is mostly due to their own legislations than Steam itself), and even if it wasn't, they would be completely at the mercy of the consumer because videogames are not a necessity, so the consumer can just choose to not purchase their products and services until they meet an acceptable price point.

>>383140749
>too autistic to understand when someone says a game they mean the control scheme from that game
Wow bud.

>>383140749
*unimmersive
Fuck

>>383141034
Because steam will put games that literally don't function on the store and tell people to rely on the reviews instead of taking the fucking game down.

>>383142538
Got any examples of this?

>>383141273
Oh I understand, I just insist that the people trying to tell me I'm wrong don't get shit wrong themselves while they do it

>>383142681
not off the top of my head, sorry. But it IS a thing. Games that need dos but don't come with dosbox, games that won't run on win7 or onward, games that are multiplayer only but have no servers now.

And they keep the store page completely unchanged. If you complain (before refunds were a thing) the response from steam will be "you should have checked reviews to see if it is a known problem." Steam knows a large portion of their reviews are jokes so have fun sifting thru 1000 reviews that are injoke memes hoping to find that one constructive review.

>>383124328
When people, especially "hardcore gamers" say that Challenge equates fun. I'm not saying that challenge and fun are mutually exclusive, or that challenge is a bad thing. However, I feel like a game can just be fun and comfy without being hard/having a steep multiplayer learning curve. I had much more fun with Halo and Cod when they were good than I had with counterstrike.

>>383130274

That's pretty much my only problem with all the souls games. When you die from a boss, you're sent back 10 minutes and have to spend time, resources and health to get back to the boss. If there was a bonfire outside the boss room, I wouldn't mind playing these games.

>>383125173
Nigga, I play a wide variety of games and I still find Souls to be enjoyable games. But it's okay that you don't find them enjoyable, they're not for everyone.

>>383126446
I use video games as a distraction, but I can't get distracted if the game isn't fucking fun, you dolt. If I don't enjoy myself and if the game doesn't immerse me, then how is it supposed to function as a distraction?

>>383124328
People hating on other people for liking/disliking certain video games makes me slightly mad. Also,
>le gamer culture xD
never fails to make my mouth froth.

>>383140749
The value of motion controls isn't immersion, but adrenaline. Moving around gets the heart going and gives you a hightened sense of enjoyment. As far as accuracy goes its often the human machine that is flawed and not the game machine that is flawed. Essentially the more accurate the controls are the more your motor skills matter with motion controls more so than digital controls or even analog controls.

>>383124328
People who shit on the first Neptune game. Yes, the gameplay is not as enjoyable as the current system, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't play it.

>>383145694
You mean endorphins, I can't imagine why someone would be releasing adrenaline while playing video games unless you're also fighting a bear
And if I wanted endorphins from moving around I'd go for a fucking jog and if your game needs the players body to release happiness and enjoyment chemicals from exercise instead of because the game is fun then it's a shit game

As for your comments on accuracy sure one explanation is that the player is fucking up, but that's not all of it, not even most of it, the biggest reason motion controls aren't accurate is because they aren't fucking accurate
You ever wonder why MoCap'd actors are always wearing those stupid suits with the balls on them, it's because accurate motion tracking of a specific person or object is fucking hard and if you don't put on the stupid suit and have an expensive rig it's gonna be shit

The other major problem with what you just said is that you are either ignoring or ignorant of the fact that there are two types of motor skill, Gross and Fine, classic control schemes work off Fine motor skills which are inherently more accurate than the Gross motor skills that motion controls work off