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How can I get Verity in the overworld? Besides Hunts (can't

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How can I get Verity in the overworld? Besides Hunts (can't do them).
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Please respond. These 30m queues for endgame content are a huge waste of time.
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>>383118396
do it as healer or tanks the queues are practically instant
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>>383117391
Is this for FFXIV? people already complaining and expansion just came out kek glad I decided to stay off the game, sounds like the usual treadmill of grinding
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>>383118509
Don't have any at 70. Currently working on that. Guess I'll just FATE spam on a tank.
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>know the fight
>lose ~500 dps to another SAM
>more shinten AND midare than me
>more combo enders than me
>autoattacks are also stronger
Fucking bullshit. I suspect Strength actually has better weight than it looks because I'm still holding onto the i300 crit/dh accessories, and SkS isn't THAT much of a meme stat
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>>383119037
>falling for the substats meme
you fool
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I just beat MSQ. Do I just farm verity for gear to do sus/lak/delta?
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>>383118603
>30m-45m queue for tome dungeons
>45m-1hr queue for endgame trial/content
>no way to get tomes while queue'd
>FATE exp is significantly slower than dungeon exp
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>>383119524
just grit your teeth and do some pvp roulette
took me a bit over an hour to get my shit
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>When you suddenly get shifted to a new timeline
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>>383119269
That's exactly where I'm at. Shit's fucked. Barely had enough verity to reach i295 after doing the MSQ and unlocking the 2 expert dungeons and doing expert roulette. Delta v1.0 is at 45minute and still at 1/8. Fucking hell.
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>>383119676
It's thanks to meme weekly limitations that the raids get more and more dead toward the weekend.
An hour after the patch went live I instantly got into a group that did all 4 in a row
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Literally stepped away for 3minutes and I missed my 50 minute queue REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>383119643
>Just grit your teeth

do u even have fun playing this game? Or are you so used to it that its more of a habit?
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>>383119643
Alright fuck everything I"m botting pvp now.
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>>383119643
PVP is the fastest way to grind tomestones aside from bonus hunting.

Like the duty finder shows 80 verity for lvl 70 dungeons but in reality it's 40
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>>383118603
Its really not that bad. The main issue is the job adjusted which wont be fully complete for another 2 weeks and the DPS ques.

Square added two more DPS jobs and EVERYONE flocked to is like this guy

>>383119524


So the DPS people suffer and wait. While me as a Healer and Tank main laugh
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>>383120159
you get 40 from completion, the other 40 are from each boss kill, dungeons have always been like this
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>>383120265
oh. guess i was pissed off for nothing.
anyways pvp is still the fastest way to grind
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>>383119976
Repetition sucks, dude
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>roulette times for dps are going back to end-of-HW fast again
feels good
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Why is SE forcing this "If you don't get debuffed, you'll get punished on the next mechanic" meme? This is the most unfun mechanic to do. Getting Mini is fine but getting frog/stone/lightning is the most irritating thing
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>>383123142
For leveling dungeons maybe, for whatever reason. Endgame content is shit.
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>>383123424
It's a thing that happens in some FF boss fights, (Yunalesca in FFX for one) so i don't get why you're complaining
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I just queue'd for Delta3.0 and it was immediate as a DPS. Is this some kind of glitch? The first 2 took an hour each.
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Most of these complaints could be easily adressed if you actually made any friends in game or joined a (4chan) FC and asked to do daily roulettes.
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>>383126668
>joined a (4chan) FC
This is the worst idea. Do not do this.
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Should I buy the verity weapon first or replace my lowest ilevel gear first?
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>>383126363
You get in if there are players queuing for them at all. There's no waiting line for it anymore.
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>>383127335
Enjoy never doing any content ever then
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>get AST and WHM to 70.
>somewhat interested in SCH because I only ever got it to 30 and just stopped.
>hearing lots of complaints about them.
>saw next to no SCH while leveling up, and even fewer idling around Kugane.
>FC leader was a diehard SCH main but swapped over to AST after poopsocking to 70 after going on a 20 minute rant in Discord on what was going on.
>go from 30-55 in a day and a half. All those issues he complained about have surfaced full force and I'm not even 60 yet.

It's all downhill from here until the 18th, isn't it?
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>>383127597
Better to sit in queues for half an hour than to get wrapped up in ebinist drama. Join a normie FC if you must, but avoid /v/vg/ FCs at all costs.
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>see a faggot staying dead for 2 minutes in some buttfuck corner of the map in pvp
>initiate a votekick
>it goes through
Enjoy your exp cuck :^)
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>>383127905
SCH isn't that bad in raids. That being said, it's pretty fucking awful in dungeons.

As a tank, I generally have to pull slightly smaller with a SCH or end up waiting for MP. Meanwhile with AST I can pull every dungeon to the boss gate and there will be barely a dent in their MP.
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>>383126668
>le make le friends meme
Lmao no. No one's going to play their level-capped tank/healer with your leveling dps. Are you retarded? That's a huge fucking time sink. And the weekly lockout meme only nets you 30minutes of trial if they didn't get their loot already. It's pointless. Kys yourself fagkuk
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>>383127518
weapon
weapon ilvl has the largest effect on overall damage due to weapon damage being the most valuable stat
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>>383127905
Why are you reposting the exact same thing?
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>>383127905
Oh my god wait till you get dissapation and check out their 70 skill. You will get so angry.
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>>383127905

Waiter! My pasta is stale!
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>>383127905
They fucked over SCH BIG time.
>Base MP pool is lower than AST and WHM
>Spell cost is a fuck load higher than the AST and WHM
>Instead of being the old "infinite MP" healer, they are now the fucking worst and get OOM quickly if things get sour
>Potency of spell are lower compared to AST and WHM even though they cost more
>Aoe damage got absolutely destroyed
And so much more shit
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>bot PVP
>sleep
>come back to 2k verity
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>>383128697
>Stone IV has 250 potency
>600 MP
>Broil II has 230 potency
>720 MP

>Bio II cost as much as fucking Aero III
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Pvp gives tomes. Just hit i300 of whatever and learn the ezpz ex primals and farm them for gear/verity and then do ezpz omega for more gear/verity.
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>>383128363
Don't be daft, susan is mind numbingly easy. Just get your weapon from there.
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>>383127905
>until the 18th
If 3.0 AST is anything worth looking at, you're fucked for at least half of 4.0 and potentially 2 years. Whats better yet, next expansion will just break AST and PLD again Or if yoships hate for the acn classes finally surfaces, sch will just get deleted from the game, they already fucked over a ton of newbie arcanists in one quest because they forgot they took off malady from miasma.
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>>383128405
>>383128628
I reposted it since I didn't get a reply last time.

>>383128565
Yeah, FC member mentioned that. Your fairy is stunned for the entire duration of the spell. The fuck?

>>383128697
The fuck is this shit? That's horrible. 18th can't get here fast enough.
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>>383128883
You cannot question square enix balance, sch has TWO mp recovery abilities!!!!!!!!
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>all those statics asking for a MCH like it's still HW

Boy are they in for a surprise.
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>>383129058
70 skill is like the icing on the cake.
>Fairy has to auto move to the tank to get tethered
>While she move and not heal the tank the gauge still get drained
>The range of the tether is 10y so if the tank move a little bit she stop healing to slowly get in range while the gauge get drained for nothing
>While all this shit is in action, the fairy cannot use any of her normal spells

I also forgot to mention
>Adlo cost is 1800 MP
>Aetherflow on my lvl 70 SCH give me back 1786 MP
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>leveling PLD through roulettes
>Get Dusk Vigil
>Healer always fucking regens prepull and doesn't sprint with me
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>>383127518
If you don't care about le fflogs shit like a pleb and want to get ilvl/content efficently, your main priority right now is to reach i295 to get weekly Omega lockout gear before weekly reset (Tuesday still?). I basically reached i295 after doing the job quest for the i290 armor, the 3 level 70 dungeons, and expert+leveling+pvp roulette. Leveling only gives 100 so you don't have to do it. I just preemptively queue'd it as I was questing so 20m run for 100verity in a (most likely) lv61-69 dungeon where I could get gear for other classes sounded good to me. PvP roulette gets you like 40+40 verity.

If you want to preserve as much Verity as you can, you'll want to focus on armor based on what you won't be able to obtain from Omega after getting this week's and this Tuesday's weekly loot drop. I'm getting the head, hand, a belt and an accessory this Tuesday, so had to allocate my verity between Body, Feet, Legs, and accessories. The omega pieces I'm getting in week 2 will net me a total of 110 ilevels, boosting me to ilvl 303. At this point I'll queue Expert/Lv70 dungeons until I get Verity (or preferably i300 dungeon loot) while monitoring DF to see if I can join an EX group.

Basically if you're frugal'ing it up, you'll probably just get one Verity armor piece (whichever you didn't get an i300 version from the Lv70 dungeons) and 1-2 accessories. I did it like this because Lakshmi will take care of accessories and Susano will cover the weapon, so I'd rather not spend Verity on that. Omega will cover some armor, so I want to spend Verity on the armor I'll get slower from Omega (week 5/4/3). All while trying to reach i305 or so so I can enter Susan/Lakshmi EX DF consistently.

Pic unrelated.
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>>383128741
Any specific settings I should change or did you just hit up start immediately?
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>>383129384
>sprint

There is literally no excuse now not to use sprint every chance you get but still the vast majority of players probably don't even have it on their fucking bar.
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>>383129384

You can right click buffs off.

God help you if you're on PS4 though. No idea how to do that on a controller, though it is possible.
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>>383129026
you won't kill him in time with shit weapon unless the rest of the party is carrying you (almost no chance of happening)
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>>383129379
Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

I see I'm essentially pissing away my time leveling SCH. But I'm already in too deep so I might as well at least get to 60.

>>383129034
Yeah I remember 3.0 AST, took them almost all of HW to fix AST. What you say makes sense. Unsure why I bother playing this game sometimes.
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>>383119524
>queue'd
Stop being retarded.
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>>383118636
>spamming FATEs on tank
>when leveling roulette hands out a fucking g6 materia for adventure in need
How retarded can you be anon?
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>>383129616
Press Select until the cursor goes to the buff row, navigate to the buff and press confirm to remove it
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>>383129643
AST was already a good and viable job after the buff it got in 3.2
Then they decided to make it a bit overpowered in 3.4 (they even admitted they overtunned it)
Somehow they decided to buff it even more in 4.0 while giving SCH the biggest nerf in the history of the game.

They are basically telling SCH main indirectly to give up on it and play AST.
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>>383129616
That's what I ended up doing for a majority of the pulls. At least they weren't large assing it.
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>>383129737
Why would I spam leveling roulette when the daily bonus is dead? I'm not going to level up doing Haukke Manor all day.
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>>383129856
Nigga...
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>>383129856
To stock up on that sweet g6 materia and level your shit somewhat decently while doing it
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>>383129845
>They are basically telling SCH main indirectly to give up on it and play AST.

I never have good RNG regarding AST and cards. Shit sucks.
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>>383129631
He can be beat with an i290 weapon, the dps check really just requires no one dies
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Stop playing SCH and WAR
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>>383120250
How is tanking in FF14? I need some dose of tank that I couldn't get after I quit wow
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>>383130757
They buffed threat generation. Shit shouldn't be hard to do.
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Does PvP Thunder 3 Ready only proc if YOU are the one dealing the 6,000 damage? Is it even worth sticking this on as many people as possible?
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>>383130757
By far the easiest and most boring way to play the game and I say that as someone who tanked quite a lot and all my friends share that same opinion.
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>>383130757
I've tanked and healed in quite a few MMOs. Tanking in FFXIV is pretty easy. I dusted off my PLD recently and was able to do big dick pulls just fine and only lost aggro once because I didn't know how much I needed to flash with the dps I had.

Really the only hard part is adapting to your party more than the fights.
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>>383118603
It is a treadmill, and the que times are abysmal since we experienced a big drop off in activity on week 2
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So do you get the cracked materia only on first completion or multiple as an adventurer in need?
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>>383119269
i wish i could beat the final trial
i am a dps (so 30+ min queue times) and finding people who dont suck at it is impossible. 8 failed attempts in the past 2 days.
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>>383120159
dont you only get tomestones of poetics for doing pvp
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>>383132207
No, at cap you get verity too
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>>383132317
why did i not know this
I would rather be doing shatter on my lvl 70 than leveling my 60+ jobs then...
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>>383132442
Shatter is still the fastest exp for DPS even with losses and still the best Tomestones for DPS at cap unless you have a tank/healer friend. Shatter gives 50 tomes a game.
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>>383130851
I never use it at all, I found it quite useless to be honest.
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>battle high black mage
>mfw cocky "i'll bene myself at low hp :^)" healcucks think they can survive a foul/flare
lmoa
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>>383132736
does it feel good to cum?
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>>383132736
you're playing against shitters, anyone with half a brain knows that a dps just needs a bit of chip damage before they can burst you. i ALWAYS prioritize healing myself if I start to get anyone casting/shooting shit at me.
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>>383132676
Ok, so I found that it's pretty good on ice. Gives you a charge to nuke the ice or an unsuspecting player
On players, you might be able to thunder -> swiftcast foul, the nuke would get you very close to the proc
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>>383133024
My biggest problem with it is that, it does less damage than Fire IV.
So I don't really see the point on using it outside of a situation like you said where we have to use Foul.
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Are the cracked clusters not apart of roulette yet? I dont see them in my roulette window as a tank.
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>>383133929
It's a visual thing. Won't be added visually until 4.05, or the 18th.
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>>383134012
Ah. I was going to spam leveling roulette for money.
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>>383118636
POTD gives 50 verity a run. Just spam 50-60.
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>>383121204
MMOs aren't for you then.
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wha is a cracked cluster and how much are they worth
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>>383134589
Thankfully this game is pretty lenient on how long you have to subject yourself to repetition
With that said I've been doing pvp for 2 hours now and having fun, I'd still prefer something with better variety though
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>>383134652
You trade them in for VI materia. So however much your VI materia is going for is how much they are worth.
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Who else here knows my pain?
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>>383134652
You get a cracked cluster by doing A or S rank hunts.
It's not a 100% chance to drop but you can get directly in your inventory after they die.

You should have do it when maps with multiple channels were a thing since there was much more hunts around (I've got 40 cluster out of it).
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>>383134814
>Not having both dogs already
Poor soul.
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>>383117391
Do pvp ya doofus it's 50 tomes and it's realitivly fast about 15 min a match
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>>383134848
>it's that guy again

Goodbye thread.
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>>383133929
>>383134012
wait what? how does one get cracked clusters from roulettes
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>>383134848
Aren't most of the WoW streamers just camwhores?
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>>383135192
Do Leveling roulette as the adventurer in need
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/02cb1ca61196bcb176574748b7735b2fcaa6e111
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>>383135192
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/02cb1ca61196bcb176574748b7735b2fcaa6e111
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>>383135284
Shhh, don't shatter his delusions or he'll throw a tantrum again just like in the last 5 or so threads.
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>>383135296
>>383135308
welp, i guess it's a good time as any to level my paladin now. thanks.

also these band-aid fixes to alleviate issues is kinda hilarious and so squeenix-like. That's how they got people to do pvp again... just shove rewards down your throat.
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how much harder is it to get the 8v8 makai mount as the shatter one
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>small group tries to take our base
>the WHM sticks around healing itself to """"""buy time""""""" while the rest fucks off
>leisurely build my gauge on a free meatbag
>take my pent up nuke to a straggler
>get my battle high
>steamroll
Fucking fuck I like pvp now
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>>383135832
There's not a lot of ways to fix it otherwise. Look at Lord of Verminion, it's a surprisingly deep and quite amazing minigame but because it offers pitiful rewards nobody plays it.
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I'm happy these retards can only complain and not just level a tank or healer

ensures my tank/healer queues will remain instant for the forseeable future while these dps cucks have to sit there and wait upwards of half an hour per just to get each of their dailies done
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>>383128336
>"fcchat:hey can someone help me with this levelling dungeon? queues are taking forever and I have bonus"
>instantly get at minimum 2 people ready to help at any time

not that hard you autist
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>>383137625
Let me guess, you have a cute sounding female name, right?
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I'm about to do Royal Managerie. What am I in for?
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>>383118396
PVP. Win or lose you get 50. What I did early on do get geared up.
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>>383138261
Hype as fuck fight almost on par with Thordan.
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>>383138261
If you get a shitty group, suffering
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Can i clear the omega floors with the armor they give you at the end of your job quests? I'm still leveling and hoping to clear them before reset
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>>383138795
No, but you shouldn't be too far off. Just farm a few verities and upgrade your lowest ilvl gear.
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>verity
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>>383138261
my friend was stuck on that for a total of 6 hours before he lucked out and queued in to a 7-man FC run.
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>>383135296
>>383135308
Wait I've just done it on my 60 WHM and got nothing.
Do you need to do the leveling roulette on a 70 character to get the cluster?
How will that help at all?
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>>383140167
I got it with a 60 job, was the adventurer in need bonus for a tank and not a healer?
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>>383140480
Ah, may be the problem.
Guess I'll never get those.
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>>383140167
I've been doing it all morning as a tank and have gotten mine. Shame the VI market is as fragile as is that abusing the leveling roulette will probably tank the VIs down to V level.
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The only reason Ala Mhigo was re-taken was because Ilberd forced the Alliance into action

Literally the hero of the expansion
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>>383138261

Just fucking use sprint holy shit

>Sprint is LITERALLY free and a boon to every player
>Still see people not using it
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>>383140890
The people I noticed not using sprint are controller players because their hotbar layout is a fucking mess and they don't have enough reflexes to adjust to the situation like keyboard players who have all their binds available in front of them.
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>>383141246
>another controller meme
L2 L2 Triangle is sprint. The average keyboard player would still need to press at least a modifier and a key to sprint unless they're retarded enough to put it on the primary hotbar
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>>383141578
I push a single mouse button for sprint
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>>383141246

Also

>Healer DPS is retard-proof now
>Still see faggots just sitting around waiting to cast cure

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK HOLY SHIT
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>>383141578
98% of controller players don't even know you can sprint using that button combo. You really expect console players to be good in a MMO?
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>slowly make my way to 70 over the release due to work
>can't do susanoo/lakshmi because its already "no bonus" in PF
>DF parties just don't happen
At least I was able to pug Deltascape before it was too late. Oh well, I'll come back when they're in wondrous tales I guess..
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>>383141928

Make your own learning party retard
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>>383142020
Tried. It literally expired in party finder. No tanks at this point want to do a learning party.
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>>383141928
i dont even remember the susano battle and mechanics desu
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>>383141787
Gotta get them confession procs bro. It's only 20% so I really gotta spam cure now.
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>>383142090
so try again. what datacenter are you on? you probably played at non peak time
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DRK or PLD
I have both at 60 and want to start leveling one (have leveled sam and rdm to 70)
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>>383142492
PLD is king of tanks right now
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>>383142492
Paladin are the god-kings of tanks once more. This is how it was meant to be really. DRK is boring and clunky now. inb4 muh bloodspiller crits
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>>383142492
PLD > WAR > DRK
things may change when in 2-4 weeks whenever they release the new balance patch
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DRK once again have the best quest line?
And what exactly was Myste
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there's no weekly cap on verity?
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>>383142492

As someone who leveled DRK to 70 as my first class in SB, I say PLD

DRK is meh until you get Blackest Night, and even then it doesn't fix how boring it feels to play now that they took everything away from the class

PLD feels good at all levels, and has great utility and DPS
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>>383142689
None. There will be a cap on the newer tomestones which come out with savage.
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>>383142680

Your inner guilt over losing your allies/having to kill people

Thats why he looks like Ysayle/Haurchefaunt
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So DRK, MCH, and WHM are the cuckshed roles of this expansion right?
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how dumb will the MCH buffs be when omega savage drops? we all know the dev team is infamous for buffing them to stupid ridiculous levels
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>>383142905
found the sch player
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>>383141905
It's not "that button combo". It can be placed anywhere more accessible.
Also you don't need to sprint in shinryu if you know what's coming. After the QTE and every time he fucks off to do the divebomb you have a ton of time to locate where he is, and preemptively standing at the center during meteor lessens the time it takes to run to a safe area
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>>383142680
He was a manifestation of the WoLs regret over the people who've died because of them, using the body of a young Haurchefant, like Fray was a manifestation of the WoLs frustration at all the stupid shit they have to do.
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>>383142905
Not WHM, their confessions suck and the cooldown reduction sucks to other new mechanics, but removing cleric stance unlocked their true power.
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>>383142905
We will get balance changes in 4.05 (savage patch), nobody knows shit yet.
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>>383142905
WHM is not nearly as bad as the WHM main tears would have you think. SCHs are way deeper in the cuckshed than they are if you're gonna compare healers.

i would throw DRG and WAR in there too, tho. Possibly SMN but i don't have enough experience with them to comment.
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>>383142821
but i have no guilt for the death of haurchefant, im glad he died
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>>383143216
This. SCH are just an absolute mess. As for how this made live in its current state just further adds proof that they have no idea what they're doing regarding class balance.
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>>383143216
>DRG
It fucking hurts bros. We were good in HW. We finally made it. Now good luck getting full eyes before the boss gets untargetable. Did they even play dragoon on the bosses while this was in development?
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>>383143331
they don't fucking playtest their god damn changes. I hate to make comparisons to wow but there's a reason blizz does PTR, it's cause your most experienced players (aka. NEETs and poopsockers) will know what they're talking about, rather than some gooks scribbling on a drawing board.
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>>383143331
The problem is that they have no public test servers so they don't get crucial feedback. They believe that their internal testers know better than top raiders.
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>>383143216
WHM is fucking awesome right now if you were playing healer just to be a psuedo dps
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>>383143249
>im glad he died
Ow the edge. I get he's been turned into a meme, but come on.
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>>383143216
WAR is on the cusp of the shed. If they fix the beast gauge penalty and do something about shake it off, I think I'll be happy. Although they need to fix unchained and inner release sharing a recast, as well as onslaught using way too much gauge for little reward.
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>>383143543
>wowfugees begging to pay to beta test and have everything spoiled
classic
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>>383143216
its funny how long people spent(spend) crying about the confession mechanic when nothing could have topped thin air anyways
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>>383143553
just because its a different opinion doesnt make it edgy. there's nothing more eventful about him than anyone else who died, not counting louisoix(someone who actually died for a cause)
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>>383143679
so do what blizzard does. have everyone immediately have a premade max level character and only access to specific content while everything else is down. they have testing windows where X instance will be up for Y hours so people try it out and when its over they give feedback.
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>>383130276
>and WAR
>can keep up 20-30% mitigation the majority of any encounter

We did get fucked hard for utility though. Our burst is great, but it's fucking stupid that Pally and DRK do the same sustained damage as us on top of having much better utility, and generally being a bit easier. Losing in MT DPS to DRK is fair enough. They have great skills. Matching both other tanks in OT DPS is just insulting
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>>383143891
You can't do that! There will be spoilers!
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>BLM and MCH are more fun in pvp than pve
really gets those peanuts going
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>>383143452
Getting full Eye is a pain in the dick, but I'm not sure why people say DRG is in the shed. They have even more utility now, got potency buffs on everything, and I don't know about other DRGs but I've been beating out a lot of people in damage, even SAMs. Still feels great to be a Dragoon.
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>>383144080
MCH is a fucking blast in pvp. Too bad they're garbage in pve.
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>>383144226
Yes, I'll bet spamming between the eyes for free kills is very entertaining
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>>383144017
I can see where they're coming from, yet they still release shit like susano and accessible stormblood areas to people at E3 and its spoilers.
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>>383144298
>salty SAMcuck who spammed enpi while getting kited and bursted 100-0
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>>383144202
cuck shed memery is based on impulsive assumptions, usually by the kind of humans that still resemble their troglodytes ancestors mentally

drg does need lotd adjustments though, needing only two eyes would fix it all.
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>Worst girl plays the worst job
really gets the chakra activated
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>>383143912
Darkest knight isn't that great for utility and literally everything else about DRK feels gutted. I get WAR bros are upset, but us DRKs got fucked. We lost half of our moves and it feels boring as fuck now
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>>383144202
DRG is definitely in the shed, potency buff is negate by removing phlebotomize, B4B nerf.
The fact that you can't get Eye in on the opener window is what put DRG into cuckshed.
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>>383144618
pugilist is not a job
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>running toward ice on my mount
>Red Mage harassing me with his mosquito bites
>ignore him
>he keeps going
>get off my fucking mount, hit Recuperate and deepthroat him with my Foul cock so hard he gets sent back to base
What the FUCK are these cunts' problem? I bet they were thinking "that BLM is running away what an easy kill haha"
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>>383144445
Salty over extending healer actually. Thanks.
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>>383144702
>every enemy is a goku stereotype
>4/5 great characters
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>>383144689
>lose a dot and one combo ender
I don't understand how other DRK players think the job is gutted. PLD is just overtuned and is godly compared to the other tanks hut that's it.
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I want to max CUL do I have to level up other classes still in SB or can I make HQ foods with a maxed CUL alone?
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>everyone switching to tanks for the clusters, now healers are in major shortage
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>Be tank
>Choose to do PotD/PvP and make everyone's queue times longer

SOMEBODY STOP ME
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>>383144913
Seems to alternate between the two really.
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>>383144813
You'll accept these legitimately paid reviews and like 'em.
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>>383144913
>implying I don't have two max level healers ready farming tomes and gear to desyth all day.
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>>383144825
>shit mitigation
>darkest meme is 2400 MP making it useless
>removed delirium for shittier delirium
>literally just 1 dark arts 2 dark arts 3 dark arts Blood Cleave
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>>383119524
>mfw I have a tank and healer buddy
>instant queues all day erry day
My Samurai and Atrologian are both fully decked in Verity gear with Susano weapons and Lakshmi accessories.
Step your game up, anon.
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>>383144825
>lose reprisal, low blow, delirium, scourge, shadowskin and dark dance
>critical spells nerfed to the point of being literally useless
yeah nah fuck off
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>>383145032
Nobody gives a shit now that they're getting free materia 6.
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>>383143527

>PTR doing anything ever

lol

>>383143216

>SCHs are way deeper in the cuckshed

Lol, no. The /v/ healer experts tell you that? The healers are pretty much even with only AST puling ahead and that's only because Balance is so strong. If aoe balance was back to pre 3.4 levels, they'd be balanced.
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>>383145032
>level a dps class
>purposely queue for leveling and trial roulette just to clog the times even more
LOCK ME UP
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>>383119037
>know the fight
got some bad news for you anon
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>>383128336
>Have friends made during the TBC WoW era.
>Still play games together.
>Queue times are instant for me as DPS since we always have a tank
>Can grind out a full set of verity gear in a few hours because of this

Just get some friends homie, jus be yourself :^)
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Can someone explain to me why SCH and WAR are fucked over? I just resubbed
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>>383138261
imagine the Thordan fight but with actual challenge to back up the fantastic presentation
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>>383145075
Silence blizzbro
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>>383142732
I wouldn't say PLD feels good at all levels, even if it certainly performs. Once you get to your high 60's PLD becomes fun though
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>>383140636
this

even if indirectly, Raubahn finally caved and retook Ala Mhigo justlike Ilberd wanted
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>>383145181
>lose low blow and shadowskin
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>>383145138
>thinks 2400 mp is a lot while tanking
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>>383142680
>ywn fuck young haurche-Ysayle
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>>383144689
One of my irls swears by DRK. Says it's incredibly fun to play now. Then I hear people like you who say it's even more boring than it was in HW, and I'm unsure.

I'm probably going to level Pally either way. Doesn't hurt to have a backup tank if I find the support skills are needed
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>>383145359
For SCH, mp cost increase on shields while being inferior to AST shields, nerf potency on all faerie heals and some pretty useless new spells.
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>>383136920

So what exactly is the confirmed way to get this now?
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When's the new PotD?
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>>383145542
Blackest Night is decent mitigation, but nothing about the rest of the gameplay is fun. You do your aggro combo twice to get a solid lead, then just spam soul eater combo for the next 5 minutes straight, with the bloodspillers mixed in. None of the blood skills are ogcd so they are a bit awkward.
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>>383130016
>tfw constantly pulling Balances and Arrows and Ewer
I don't think I've ever seen a Bole get drawn, shit's crazy.
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>>383145659
marketplace or get 2 lines (you won't)
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>>383145359
SCH MP costs are too high, shields are weaker than AST shields, and most abilities, including new abilities are pretty much shit tier. Especially the fairy tether.
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>>383140636
The only reason Ala Mhigo was taken was because you helped yugiri and her people and that one beast tribe. Without their help, you would have been crushed like at Rhalger's Reach.
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>>383145668
Shatter.
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>>383145732
New Delirium is oGCD and is pretty good for more blood gauge and MP. Cooldown needs to be reduced though, 2 minutes is too long for what it does.
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>>383145359
Not sure about SCH, but the main issue with WAR is the penalty for stance dancing. You lose half of your angry points, which basically punishes you for trying to use skills of the opposite stance (like Defiance's Equilibrium while in Deliverance, or a Unleash+Cleave burst while in Defiance).
Both PLD and DRK don't have this issue because they have access to pretty much all their skills on both stances (PLD's stance dancing penalty only affects two defensive cooldowns, and DRK only loses Blood Weapon/Price depending of the stance, while getting some extra bonuses for keeping both Grit and Darkside active all the time).
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>>383145780
I got 2 lines yesterday. Ended up selling the doll to some creep for 3 million gil.
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>>383145914
I'm dumb, when's that?
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>>383144202
And the full Eye gives fucking nothing. WOW +100 DPS FOR GEIRSKOGOL FOR LIKE 3 USES. Great! Meanwhile SAM gets 50k crits each 8 gcd.
BFB is shit
Disembowel now only gives %5 debuff
Dragon sight is pain to use without macro and is a fucking shit like WOW 10/5% more dmg!
All of his utility skills are fucking shit. And he has LOWEST MELEE DAMAGE IN THE GAME. Just bring mnk/nin instead of him. They do more damage and have some utility too, but WITH ACTUAL MEANINGFUL NUMBERS.

How to uncuck drg:
Dragonfire dive grants Dive ready
Dragonfire cd to 80 seconds
Dragonfire is buffed by BotD like Jump and Spineshatter
BFB to 20-25%
Dragon Sight from 10/5 to 15/15% bonus %dmg
Nastrond works like Geirskogol. I.e. consumes LotD, but FnC/Wheeling thrust extend LotD duration(+7 sec each.)
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>>383146082
Level 30.
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>>383145834
I would believe that if the Doma liberation wasn't 10 people attacking a castle with 10 people in it.
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>>383146041

>some creep

I know, these problematic people, amarite?!
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>>383146157
System limitations, please understand.
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>>383145732
That's decently similar to WAR

>open with shoulder charge + overpower > aggro combo
>storms eye combo for slashing debuff + damage up buff
>storms path combo
>storms path combo
>storms eye combo
>heavy swing
>if MT, pop berserk and unchained, and space out your inner beasts for maximum damage + mitigation
>if OT, pop berserk + inner release and go ham. And also don't open with aggro moves

Warrior is a lot less stressful. They lowered the skill ceiling considerably, so it's fair that it's not as good as it was in HW. Still a bit salted about it though
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>>383145542
I think its fun

you have a shield that costs about the amount of a Dark Arts that you can throw on yourself on anyone else, and once it breaks you instantly have the ability to use your Fell Cleave equivelant. You get the shield every 15 seconds and your regular combo builds blood too, so you're constantly shitting out DA bloodspillers if you're in bloodprice/blood weapon

idk I agree with people that it's been "dumbed down" but I think it was for the best, I'm having more fun at 70 than at 60

the tradeoff though is that the class is incredibly boring to play pre-70. I can't really explain how much of a difference Blackest Night makes you really just have to feel how much more hectic the class gets once you get it and then the difficulty comes from spending your mp/blood before you overflow because that's a dps loss.

Also the new AF3 is fucking amazing looking.

ALSO also the job quest is the best of the 60-70 series I've played so far.
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>>383145226
>trusting game balance to suits instead of experienced players
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>>383146090
>Dragon Sight from 10/5 to 15/15% bonus %dmg
So you want Dragoon to be even more tethered to the Samurai's ass?
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>>383140636
So much this, the entire fucking setup with Ilberd was retarded.

He spends his entire life attempting to liberate Ala Mhigo, orchestrates the "assassination of the sultana just to get some backing from the Syndicate for aid, and when that plan falls apart, he puts on a mask and rallies the refuges despite being a wanted fugitive. After convincing men to give their lives at the Wall (Though leaving out the part where they weren't just to fight, but to serve as a sacrifice) and fooling the Alliance into storming the place right behind them, he sacrifices himself to summon an entity capable of beating back the empire, one which you go to great lengths just to fuck up because it has the same goal as yourself.

So you release another doomsday weapon to contain this mad motherfucker's doomsday weapon, and when they wear each other down, you go out to accomplish what Ilberd set out to in the first place anyway, at the cost of tons of resistance fighters and Grand Company soldiers. All because you couldn't stand someone else was doing it before you were.
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>>383146226
>jacking off to a 10 year old
This isn't even a case of looks 10 but is 10000 years old. This is a 10 year old.
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>>383145542
Xeno's thoughts on DRK are pretty accurate factually. basically the class is a lot "funner" because you can spam a lot more skills now and it feels like you have more mana and resources, but it's extremely dumbed down and brain dead due to the fact that there's no risk of being in darkside anymore, and no meaningful management of MP. that's basically where the two camps of DRK players are in right now.
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>>383146090
I'm with you man

I dropped DRG like a sack of bricks after I mained it for 4 years

The funny thing is it really wouldn't take much to make it good again. If they made it take 2 eyes to go lotd everything else would've balanced out really
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>>383146403
No, you tried to stop Shinryu because it's a fucking insanely powerful primal that would have caused another Calamity and kill even more people.
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>>383146478
Legal with the Parent/Guardian's permission everywhere but the Garlean Empire.
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>>383146478
A 10 year old fictional character.
We gotta protect her from the perverts!
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>>383146403
The Warrior of Light wasn't an entirely willing participant in the liberation of Ala Mhigo, he was almost completely roped into it.
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>>383146642
what the fuck kind of creature even has 4 eyes?

the dragons in xiv have only ever had 2 eyes
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>>383143216
SMN main here.

Shits alright I'm still averaging 3.5-4K dps depending on the fight.
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>>383146478

Yes, and?
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>>383146637
Really because there's more things to use Dark Arts with I find myself needing to manage my mana more than before.
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Why the fuck doesn't this game just let me try any job at 70 on a dummy?
>lol PotD
You have to level to 30 and grind through 10 floors of wet toilet paper to fight one boss
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>>383146758
>doesn't say sexual arousal
This isn't misleading at all
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>>383146831
Because it wants your money.
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I've honestly never really bothered with PotD. Like I tried it out a bit when it first came out and got to floor 30 or so, but never really advanced. My aetherpool is still only like 20 or something.
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>>383146090
>wanting to superbuff DRG

that's a really easy way to get them nerfed and actually put in the shed
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>>383147045
It doesn't get much better until you have a 60+ aetherpool, then you can hit up the lower levels and get some pretty good loot.
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>>383146831
>you mean I have to level up clases to play them? WOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW
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>>383146831
Solo PotD's floor 51-60, or burn some of your aether levels to get weaker.
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>>383146090
>How to uncuck drg:
Also forgot
>only 3 Dives needed for Full Eye
This way it can be done in the opener with all 3 jumps
>>383146367
At least we would be needed in raids. Now nobody wants us.
>>383146642
I've dropped drg as a main job, but not because he's shit, but because queue times. I've switched to drk for easy tomestones and gear parts from omega. Fuck 30 mins queues.
I still play drg as secondary job, even he's shit i always liked dragoons, my favorite job in Final fantasy games. We may be shit, but we have style.
>>383146642
>If they made it take 2 eyes to go lotd
Nah man, i think 3 would be ok, but other skill needed to be buffed. His utility is fucking garbage.
>>383147070
You think what i said was too much? What is your ideas, man? I think they need at least revert nerfs fro Disembowel and LoTD should be 3 dives and extendable.
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>>383146941
What other arousal would it be? Familial arousal? I mean why else would looking at a child cause a strong physical response?
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What does the aetherpool in place do? I got a palace weapon which used some of it up. Is that it.
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>>383146650
>kill even more garleans
FTFY
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>>383144017

Who gives a shit. WoW doesn't take its story super seriously like XIV does because they know it's just a bit of fun schlock. The sooner you XIV retards realize the story isn't actually any good the better off your game will be.
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>>383147537
Yes, that's what he said. People. If he meant african savages he would've mentioned eorzea.
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>>383146831
You can get some of the 70 skills as their PvP versions in the wolves den. Not super good if you want to actually want to try them in context of their rotations - but if you just wanna have fun casting Foul or bahamut without slogging through the whole leveling process, its something at least.
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>>383147564
The story in FFXIV is infinitely better than WoW.
t. subscribed to both
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>>383147537
Primals without worship don't really discriminate. Shinryu would have rampaged everywhere if Omega wasn't activated.
>>383147624
Eorzea is more reminiscent of Greek city-states even if their cultures are all over the place.
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>that one obnoxious cunt that feels the need to type in some corny witty response to someone asking a normal question in shout
>the dude that asks the question almost always never gets a serious response

If youre one of these people be sure to know that you arent funny and you most certainly arent original you cockmongling pieces of trash
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>>383147252
>What is your ideas, man?

I'd say
>get lotd from only two jumps instead of four
>DFD cooldown reduced
>Disembowel back to 10% OR making DS at least 10%/10%

then all would be well
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>>383147889
Greek City-States is a good analogy. Even the those had a lot of differences. Banding together to fight of the "Persians" is about right.
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>>383147971
What was the question?
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20 kills until i have 99 lakshmi tokens and i can get my doge in 3 month
then some fucker got his doge as a scammaster
this is fine
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I dont see why everyone makes such a big deal about Garleans taking advantage or raping some of the locals, when sexual slavery is literally legal in Limsa and Ul'dah and Ishgard had knights and nobles taking advantage of people all the time as well. I bet Gridania had some dark shit going on there too.
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>>383146360

>thinking PTR isn't just a half-assed free trial

PTR historically has done nothing for Blizzard, classes remain imbalanced and many idiotic changes make it into their games regardless, just go look up the shitstorm about Legion PTR classes remaining unchanged into launch. The only thing Blizzard uses PTR for is to stress-test and check for bugs. For balancing, they still have no actual idea what they're doing with classes and specs doing like 30% difference in dps. Granted the roles are more varied in WoW but the consistency of their seesaw balance is probably to prey on people's fotm mentality and keep them "invested" with alts and shit.
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>>383148164
>I bet Gridania had some dark shit going on there too.
A lot of Tree rape.
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>>383144818

>Great characters

Literally who
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>>383147971
>dude that always asks questions that could very easily be solved with a quick google search

I hope you're not this guy, anon
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>>383148164
You don't understand anon.
The Grand Companies are the good guys, they can do what they want.
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>>383147979

Disembowel should remain 5% or better yet just remove it. DRG should depend less on ranged with how many dps roles are in the game and the 5% boost is leading the devs to think that DRG is somehow stronger than it is in reality.
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>>383148302
>fuck interacting with other people, just use google lmao
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>>383148228
Distinguished video game journalist experts who have a lifetime of reviewing credibility, anon. Pls educate yourself.
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>>383147762

It's presented slightly better but both are objectively not very good stories. At least the quests in WoW are fun and I can skim the quest text easily because they give it to me in one dose.

Also there has never been a more embarrassing story moment in any game than the poorly lip synced national anthem at the end of Stormblood. This is a final fantasy game made in the year 2017 and they give us that. It's just sad.

t. was subscribed to both but dropped XIV sub because Stormblood is just the same shit as ARR and Heavensward.
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>>383148035
The Garleans are like if the British Empire was really Roman. Of course that's not entirely it since Roman nobles thought Greek culture was the epitome of human culture and why they stole a lot from it.
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>>383148156
>joining loot master party
your fault desu
>>
Ishgardian Grand Company fucking when
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>>383146831
>>383146980
if they want to sell more level boosts, they should actually let people try out the boosted classes first. WoW does this and it increases revenue tremendously.
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>>383147138
Except you already skip levels in PotD, there's just nor enough to test it on
>>383147761
Yeah problem is the context of rotations is what I want to try
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>>383148747
>WoW does this and it increases revenue tremendously.
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>>383148493
>t. was subscribed to both but dropped XIV sub because Stormblood is just the same shit as ARR and Heavensward.
But Legion isn't the same shit as Warlords of Draenor?
lmao
And while they're both not that good, it still doesn't change the fact that XIV is better.
>poorly lip synced national anthem at the end of Stormblood
And this has to do with the story writing, how?
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>>383148435

>Big budget increase
>Suddenly reviews shoot up from good to amazing even though the game itself doesn't change in any meaningful way

Boggles the mind. It's a real noggin scratcher.
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>>383148052
It can be any question but they're usually about b mark locations
>Anyone seen scarecrow?
>haha yea he's at the chemical factory xD
>oh last time i saw him he said he was going to a bar but never came back xD
Plain stupid responses
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>>383148785
Yes.
The endgame of all AAA video game companies is to make money. If Square Enix wants more money and more budget for their projects, they gotta do this.
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>>383148427
So you are, good to know. It's not interaction, it's being a bother who can't help themselves

>inb4 asking questions isn't bad!

That's why I specifically mentioned simple questions
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>>383148493

>WoW:insert modern trope here
>better than anything

Yeah I love fantasy pirates, fantasy mafias, fantasy indiana jones, fantasy zombies, fantasy westerns, fantasy selfies. Really grounds the game in its lore and isn't just the devs shooting whatever messy jizz that comes into their brains.
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>>383148832
>waaaaa people aren't taking my requests to spoonfeed me hunt locations seriously
>calling other people "cockmongling pieces of trash"

good one
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>>383148830
Now, now, we all know Japanese development studios only hire women to use them as fuck toys when the company goes off to buy reviews. Really, very little money was exchanged. It doesn't even count as overtime.
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>>383148832
I actually helped someone find a bmark this morning, smartass comment not included.
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>>383148801

Legion shook up several of the gameplay elements even if they didn't all go over perfectly. Anything is better than another two years of spamming hunts and farming primals for mounts.

It has to do with presentation which is awful in XIV with the terrible lip syncing, emoted "cutscenes", spotty voice acting, and verbose dialogue.
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>>383148964
>it's being a bother
No one's forcing you to answer the questions, anon.
Or do the questions interfere with your ERP sessions?
>talking to other people isn't interacting with them
Jesus.
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>>383149042
I'm not even the one asking the question you brainlet

My point was to show how unfunny the people typing these responses are and how common it takes place.
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>>383148596
haven't joined them, just salty af since some people can get their mounts that way and i don't have the balls for that
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>>383148830
Well, you and I both know that 30 million budget didn't go toward the game.
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>>383148982

Muh evil empire
Oh hey they're gonna summon a primal better stop them no really we can stop them this time I swear oh oops we didn't stop them now go kill them this is definitely good storytelling.
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>>383149118
on a somewhat related topic
is it me or do the stormblood b-marks have a home area?
like i've never seen the snek b-mark outside of the desert part of the fringes and i've found two of mine in places that are thematically correct for the mob type
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>>383147889
I'm sure a creature brought about from the hatred of a specific entity (The Empire) would be more apt to destroy their stuff first than it would be ours. And even so, let him tear through the empire and we'll finish off the weakened shell when he's done. Instead, we fight him when he's at full strength.

Though I would've been more worried about the Empire figuring out how to capture our fancy new toy and turn it on us, which is exactly what they did and led to us having to put it down anyway.
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>>383149250
>I'm not even the one asking the question you brainlet
Yes you are it's the only way someone could be so autistically butthurt over something like this

You're not fooling anyone
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>>383149189
>Legion shook up several of the gameplay elements
LOL
they made it worse not better. at the end of the day, you're still farming an endless carrot on the stick and people are still selling mythic carries for gold or paypal cash.
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I'm just saying, if Garleans are fucking Mhiggers instead of carrying around sacks of Lalafells for fuck toys, you know something's not right with fucking a potato.
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>>383149346

Typing like a retard doesn't make you look any better.
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>>383149379
Some of you are so thick headed

take this last response to please your ego
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>>383149673
I look forward to your next post passoinately complaining about people saying unfunny jokes in chat in an MMO
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>>383148374
>war, nin and sam can and should apply their slashing debuff
>rdps cant apply piercing

it really is a relic of when you'd choose between drg or mnk back in pre 2.4, since piercing would allow the brd to make up for the dps mnk did over drg on paper
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>>383149189

>Anything is better than another two years of spamming hunts and farming primals for mounts.

Right they just copied XIV's relic format and made it mandatory.
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>>383149216
>not answering "where do I get this fish" means I ERP

ok

>"where do I get this fish"
>"Lower La Noscea"
>"ok"

Riveting interaction. Your staunch defense of this only furthers my suspicions that you ask these kinds of questions.
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Are roulettes starting to normalize for DPS now that the poopsockers have all their jobs at 70?
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>>383149927
No. Tanks have still abandoned their jobs, except paladins.
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>>383149830

Definitely on paper. DRG pre 2.4 took some mind-reading levels of play with seeing tank movement. Especially during shit like t9/t7, just reading ahead of the fight constantly for boss turns or tank movement and sometimes even delaying gcds just to hit HT/ID.

>>383149927

It's still shit for dps.

>>383149352

Generally yes, half the map is split for the two B ranks with mild overlap.
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>>383149918
>Riveting interaction
Interaction is interaction, anon.

>Your staunch defense of this only furthers my suspicions that you ask these kinds of questions.

ok
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>>383149927
>>383149991
>>383150014
How are leveling roulettes after the new incentive.
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>>383149519
why not both
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>>383149352
More or less, yes, they don't spawn everywhere but the peaks and the fringes are a bit of a special case since they are divided in two different zone levels.
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>>383129845
AST was viable, but it wasn't optimal or really even that good. WHM was still basically mandatory for fights like A8S, and even at the time nobody took AST in 3.2 because their buffs provided as much of a DPS increase as fucking FEY WIND

So their buffs in 3.4 were necessary, even if they were heavy handed. Shit, the job's whole point is to be able to buff their teammates, and people want them nerfed so bad that it might as well not exist.
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>>383149353
Omega captured Shinryu, the Empire just moved it. Letting a primal run rampant is a bad fucking idea because Illberd wanted another Calamity to destroy everything. Didn't you watch the cutscenes? He was sick of the Alliance not doing anything so he sought to punish them, Ala Mhigo, and the Empire.
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>Shinryu Aerial Blast knocked me at some weird angle

Did I miss something? I thought it was supposed to knockback away from the tornado in the center.

Still one shot cleared it, but I wouldn't want that happening again.
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>>383150103
If the cracked cluster are only 1/day, then still no
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>>383150034
I hope you at least ask them how their day was first so your interaction isn't completely banal
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>>383149927
they're kinda dead, except for leveling because of those sweet sweet clusters. everyone has more verity now than they know what to do with and it's gonna stay slow until the capped tomes get rolled in

>>383150014
>miss a positional on ht and fuck up your entire rotation, except it doesn't matter because you got splattered by unavoidable magic damage because your mdef is worse than a crafting class
arr had some really dumb shit going on in retrospect
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>I one shot cleared shinryu blind weeks later while carried by people on their trial roulette and following a guide
awesome dude you are a pro
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>>383150220
I'm mostly upset about the fact that they have overall the best shields and heals/regen currently that's what was overbuffed, on top of their utility which should stay the same since it's part of the point of the class.
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>>383150339
>can't exchange Verity for Lore
FUCK YOU YOSHI JUST LET ME DO MY SUN FOR MY ASTROLOGIAN
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>>383150420
yeah i'm the best thx m8
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>>383150339
I hope they add crafting items or some new shit to buy with verity other than gear.
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>>383130007
Wait how do you get materia from leveling route?

Is it connected to the company seals?
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>tfw you get prudent touch
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>>383150473
I wholeheartedly see a nerf on the horizon for Nocturnal Aspected Benefic, there's just simply no reason for it to be THAT good in its current state. Yeah, it needs to be better than Adloquium given that N.AST's new identity is the shield healer whereas SCH has always been the pet healer, but the difference is so disparaging that I'm surprised they left it as-is. Their cards, though? That's the whole staple of the job, holy shit. If you nerf it down to near-uselessness again, why does AST even exist? Still, if they nerf it too hard, you just run the risk of SCH being mandatory again.

As for SCH, lower the MP costs of most of their spells, buff some of their potencies here and there, and leave it as is. SCH was nerfed for a reason, because it was THE most disgustingly overpowered job in the game, basically tied with WAR. Most people's complaints are that it feels boring now, and that's something that can't really be helped.

The job was not meant to be played as a DPS-lite, and besides, ALL of the healers rotations are shit now. Fuck, AST has -one- DoT, and then you're spamming what is basically Malefic II with a prettier skin. It's shit.
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>>383150420
who are you quoting?
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>>383150220

>AST was viable, but it wasn't optimal or really even that good.

It was very viable and a good counterpart to WHM. Disable is one of the few debuffs that affects Darkness damage which was Bio-Arithmetics, J-kick, and J-storm. CU being an extra 10% mitigation for J-kicks was huge considering WHM could at most stoneskin 1-2 people. Healing wise, AST had much better MP conservation than WHM and Damage/MP efficiency in Combusts. The only downside of AST was the lack of instants requiring SCH to babysit more.

No one took AST in 3.2 because it was a mid-expansion patch and no one wanted to take a chance on an unproven role in prog.

>>383150473

They are still the worst in consistent aoe healing and overall gcds consumed to heal. If Balance was simply tuned down to 5% aoe or even 7.5%, groups would find it harder to just bring an AST over the other roles. Especially with SCH's burst healing remaining untouched and how efficient WHM is with MP now.
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>>383150740
Adventurer in need bonus for leveling roulette if you're at least lvl 60 gives you cracked cluster you can exchange for materia6.
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>>383150901
>leave it as is
Holy shit no, just fucking remove the Fairy Tether if you're going to work on Scholar.
Who the fuck thought that was a good idea.
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>>383150901

My friend initially didn't enjoy the SCH changes levelling up, but after awhile of being 70 he's actually started to really like SCH again and says it's actually still really powerful, just requires you to play a bit sifferently from the past.
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>>383151053
Not yet. That doesn't come until 4.05
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>>383151079
SE doesn't know how to make pet jobs work properly.
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>>383150956
it's in but the menu doesn't say it till then
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>>383151087
It does dumb dumb, it simply won't show the bonus cracked cluster until 4.05
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>>383146685
It's one eye for each of the remaining members of the First Brood.
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>>383151082

>says it's actually still really powerful, just requires you to play a bit sifferently from the past.

As will pretty much ever healer tell you as well if they actually had the class at 70. Their new skills are lackluster, but they aren't useless. The core strength of SCH is unchanged and it's hilarious how people are still comparing the gcd healing/shielding of SCH/AST when Creator healing in speedruns was almost entirely carried by the Fairy and Indom, both of which were unchanged. Adlo could require 3k mana and SCHs still would barely use it outside of dungeon content.
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>>383129379
>>The range of the tether is 10y so if the tank move a little bit she stop healing to slowly get in range while the gauge get drained for nothing
Nope, she doesn't move towards them. She just sits there waiting for them to get back in range, not using any skills, and draining the tether. Once the tether is cast she cannot move until the effect ends, nut until the tether breaks.
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>>383146758
Isn't this test unreliable? If you show a sexual picture of an adult woman and then one of a child won't arousal from the prior naturally interfere? Even if you see something that disgusts and immediately turns you off, the residual chemicals in the brain are still there. Did they show the images in vacuum? I find that hard to believe since that would take weeks.

also yes I'd fuck Khloe
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SCH players were always shitters color me not fucking surprised they whine that the class is broken as soon as it actually requires a modicum of effort to play
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>>383151412
I think the problem I've seen with the reactions to SCH changes are that people seem more pissed that they were brought down to a reasonable level than they are that some of their toys aren't as nice. Every SCH main I've met acknowledges SCH was too good outright, but then when you mention nerfing the job they all backpedal incredibly quickly. It's like the community as a whole realized SCH was too much, but seemingly became okay with it and even liked it, despite it being horridly unfair?

SCH maybe got hit a little too hard, but the only thing SE really has to do is buff a potency here and there and lower MP costs. The job was never meant to be this walking healer/DPS demigod, it was meant to be a fucking healer.

Hell, the meta is STILL probably going to be AST/SCH and they're STILL upset because they can't sit in the healer throne anymore.
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>>383146941

>literally states they used a Penile plethysmograph

>you are so desperate to deny scientific fact that you fail reading comprehension of a small excerpt containing only a few sentences.
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>>383151412

Not to mention that a cursory glance over the top 100 speedruns for Creator will find SCHs using adlo 5 times or less.

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/L3jVvnPwaB7R2Ct8#fight=38&type=healing&source=230
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/wCAbJX63nptj1TDZ#fight=9&type=healing&source=3
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/fGFVqAByzYPwJ3RH#fight=78&type=healing&source=10
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/CvTDYAPyJQ8pnMwZ#fight=23&type=healing&source=1

Adlo having its MP cost only affects you if you're shit. With DRK able to fucking cast a 20% hp shield on itself, dps carrying viruses and Palisade/Apock, shielding from healers has become unnecessary to begin with. AST's noct shields doesn't matter.
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>>383151760
This is bait, but SCH took way more effort to play pre-SB tbqhimo

All of the healers did
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>>383151970
>shielding from healers has become unnecessary to begin with. AST's noct shields doesn't matter.
Haven't you done any of the ext primals?
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>>383146657
>implying the Garlean Rapeire cares about savages
I bet the M Tribe was a rape camp until the wall fell.
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>>383152007

Cleric stance was only a stopgate for shitters. Healing and dpsing has never been hard.
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>>383152007
....lol? Casting Medica 2 then spamming stone was more effort?
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>>383151760
I take you you didn't play SCH before Storm Blood?
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>>383151760
It actually takes no effort to play, its just outright got some issues.
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>>383152007
It's really not. SCH was easy as hell. I'm more talking about the attitude of the people who mained it who loved to pretend it was hard.

>>383152534
I did.
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>>383152271
Mango Pineapple has had multiple abortions!?
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>>383152264

They don't? Maybe if you play with pugs but I don't wanna run down the entire list of mitigation but for every TB you have at least 1 feint (2min cd meaning two melee can essentially rotate for most stormsplitters), Palisade, Blackest Night, Intervention for 10% +another 10% from rampart. With the proper core cd rotation and all that shit, you barely need to heal the tank besides for stun lightning phases and he's clopping your tank for 10k/14k crits when he's doing the str tank meme with 38k hp. With the usual kill time of ~7 minutes, half the stormsplitters are handled with LD and HG already.
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>>383151230
Oh lol i didnt even know it does
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>>383152271
>That one conversation between garleans on the final solo instance
>the one whore in the Lochs who complains about Garleans but says you could get it anyday
>The one highlander chick at the start of the game who is basically broken from being gang raped by Garleans

Yet they call Eorzeans savages
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>>383151682

>I thought of questions and circumstances that life long professional scientists would have never thought of

Ok...
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Fastest way to farm verity outside of roulettes is still PvP?
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>>383152968
However if you extrapolate the ext damage to savage, the amount of damage both on tanks and party is already deadly on ext when he's spamming oheki if healers aren't healing through it.
Meaning on savage it'll probably be even worse.
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is raiton worth it now that your poison affects all damage?
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>>383153340
They seem to really like Highlander women to rape.
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>>383153687

We are talking about savage? Uheki is a non issue if the AST places an earthly star around the 2nd lightning bolt and then detonates after the 4th and final lightning to top everyone off immediately, SCH indoms after the 1st/2nd hit of uheki and Whispering dawn takes care of the rest. If you really want Healers to do nothing, have the fairy Fey Union the main tank while you and the other healer just dps. Considering the time between stormsplitters/lightningphases is neatly 1 minute, WD/Indom/ES are all up for each Uheki.
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>>383127905
nothings getting fixed on the 18th they didnt even mention healers in the design manifesto
>>383129643
sch is good in 8 mans only for chain stratagem
just think about that the class is only used in 8 mans because it offers a debuff every 90s it does nothing else better than anyother healer
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>>383117391
PotD. Lots of Verity there if you're already 70.
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>>383154123

Fey Union during the lightning hops*. That's one the few times where it shines in current fights. Fey Union is lackluster but people forget that it's still nearly free for a SCH to just get a super regen on the tank. For fights like susano where you barely move, it's actually rather excellent.
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>>383154235

>it does nothing else better than anyother healer

Why does /v/ keep pretending to know how to heal. Can you just shitpost about SAM.
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>>383154365
i'm not pretending im a great sch player, tell me what it does better than WHM or AST
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>>383154365
>>383154530
dude you can save an entire gcd every once in a while! that's like 50000 damage!
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>>383154625
yet that gcd doesnt give us more damage than whm
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>Hirrrfurrrdurrr SCH has no problem
t. someone who haven't played SCH and went on AST and WHM

Why the fuck Aspected Helios does better shield and cost 480 less MP than Succor?
Why the fuck Broil 2 cost 120 more MP than Stone 4 which has 20 more potency?
Why the fuck Adlo cost 1800 MP when aetherflow only give back 1838 MP?
>use Energy drain
Which only give back 1200 MP and you can"t lustrate anymore.

Call me a salty fucker all you want, but right now getting a SCH just pure more weight on the second healer, SCH right now is NOT good, it's sill usable but compared to WHM and AST, SCH is just deadweight.

The only thing that stop them from diving in the deep of the shed is Chain Stratagem.
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>>383154530

Most free healing
Most mobile
Least gcds needed of any healer in relevant content
Chain Stratagem is a consistent poor man's Balance.
Highest level of burst healing, which completely stomped Creator with its focus on damage cycles/bursts

>>383154751

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/15/#class=Healers
https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/15/#class=Healers&dataset=99

lamo.

>>383154885

t.SMN player
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>>383154885
>I HAVE TO FUCKING USE MP TO HEAL WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT REEEEEEEE

lol SCHs
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>>383154885
>SCH has no problem

Literally nobody is saying this, you gigantic retard. People in this thread have stated multiple times SCH needs to be buffed in a few areas. The difference is that SCH mains have this feeble and longing desire to be as powerful as they were in 3.x when they were unstoppable and guaranteed a raid spot, and that's not going to happen.

Nerf the MP costs of some spells, maybe buff a potency here and there, and SCH is fine. You're ALREADY being taken over WHM for the meta heal comp. Again.
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>>383154885
chain stratagem is the only thing keeping sch relevant and with how close whm ast groups can get even thats debateable after the fey union bugfix
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>>383155064
Meanwhile, WHM and AST cannot go oom when things get bad but SCH can and extremely quickly.
How is that fine in anyway?
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>>383154885

>Woah I can't just aetherflow and use energy drain and still be 70% mp while spamming 15 adlos and 15 succors?
>shit class
>was never good
>especially in 2.0-3.4
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>>383155216
Manage your MP better like WHM had to do this entire fucking time.

You have a refresh. Fucking use it.
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>>383155193
see
>>383155040
every single time there's some retard bragging about how they're still the best ever
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>>383155216
>SCH
>10% back on Aetherflow
>Lucid Dreaming

>WHM
>Lucid Dreaming
>Assize (with potentially lower cooldown)
>Thin Air
>Tons of free healing

>AST
>Lucid Dreaming
>10-15% reduction on spell costs
>Can extend Lucid Dreaming, but that's a waste of an additional ability

>BAAAAAW SCH ISN'T AN MP GOD ANYMORE THIS IS UNFAIR

SCH mains are the fucking worst.
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>>383155216

>things go bad
>only class who can stock up free aoe heals and lustrates

SCH is the only class that can recover from extremely bad situations and do sick saves on multiple targets. Can't count many times indom saved people from the Churn into Stack mechanic in susano.
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>t-trust me guys scholar is bad i run out of MP when i spam succor in dungeons now
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>my job isnt so extremely good that every group wants one hour

someone change the channel
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>>383155040
>Most free healing
wrong
>Most mobile
ast is more mobile
>Least gcds needed of any healer in relevant content
whm does less gcds due to all their ogcds
>Chain Stratagem is a consistent poor man's Balance.
like i said chain stratagem is the only thing good about sch currently
>Highest level of burst healing, which completely stomped Creator with its focus on damage cycles/bursts
entire game is based on burst and whm has more burst than sch lol even AST has better burst now
>fflogs
looking at overall parses for dps mean nothing when theyre not giving you the context of the fight you should be looking at speed kills
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/YVr8ZCzFDtmP4XqM#fight=10&type=damage-done
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/Kwf9prM4HbXVyhPG#fight=5&type=damage-done
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>>383155712
WTF SCHBROS WHY IS MY PINK BAR GOING DOWN INSTEAD OF STAYING AT 100%
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yoshi should just make all content require 3 tanks and heals so sch and war fags will shut the fuck up for once
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>>383155605
looking at mp regen is dishonest you also need to look at how we have the least mp regen and by far the highest costing spells
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SCH tears are so delicious. look at them having to face the fact that they played a faceroll class that was incredibly OP and were always shit at the game underneath it all
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>>383155842

Whoops here's a SCH. #1 on Susano, faglord.

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/mv3nPFrkZK7L8yWq#fight=14&type=damage-done
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/Kwf9prM4HbXVyhPG#fight=5&type=damage-done

Whoops the fastest for Lakshmi is SCH too. It's almost as if SCH was balanced closer to WHM but it's still really fucking good?
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>>383156023
>the least mp regen and by far the highest costing spells
You mean like WHM was all this time that you claimed was so easy compared to SCH that you were a genius for being able to play because it was so difficult and complicated?
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Dissipation is what separates good scholars from bad scholars
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>>383156209
stay in school kids
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>>383156085
yes it is fastest in those groups but the point im trying to make is its not because of the sch its because of the better players/comp and those parses were before the fey union bug was fixed meaning alot of healing was lost and there will be even less dps coming from sch ast comps meaning you need to get even more out of cs to beat whm ast
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>>383156209
what are you even talking about?
who are you responding to
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>>383155842

>wrong

Lmao. Indom x2/WD alone beats out anything WHM/AST can do without requiring a 2 min cooldown in Thin Air or anything AST can do in general.

>ast is more mobile

Literally the most retarded thing I've ever seen. On the move, what can AST do besides ED and Lightspeed, yet another 2 min cd? SCH can run and indom at any time, fairy can WD at any time.

>whm does less gcds due to all their ogcds

Wrong. In the time it takes WHM to get 1 assize, SCH has indom 3 times.
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>>383156023
You mean while also including
>Eos
>Eos
>Eos
>FUCKING EOS

But yeah, those constant MP free and GCD free 170 potency + Whispering Dawn + Fey Illum makes no difference, no sir.
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>>383155614
>free aoe healS
indom is one charge per 30s
a lightspeed AST can recover faster than that

also people who aren't shitters would bring the marker to the wall where the tank is and leisurely walk back to the group after churn wears off
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>>383155040
>Most free healing
Thin air is a thing.
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>>383156565
sch has 3 ogcds a minute and a 1min fairy regen
AST has 1 min cd on an aoe heal with 720 potency and a 40s emergency heal
WHM has assize tetra assylum benison nad possibly plenaryand i would say thats better than 3 stacks that are tied to your dps/mana regen
AST is more mobile because of that cd and it has aspected benefit if you wanna argue sch is more mobile because indom whm has assize so whm is almost as mobile as sch then
indom has a 30s cd you have aetherflow 1 a minut and get 3 stacks youre going to do it at most twice a minute and that never happens in prectice its used once a minute and the rest go towards edrain to give you mana back
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>>383156916
eos is not very strong and does not make up for having by far the highest mp costs on our dps and healing and does not make up for having the weakest healing gcds
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>>383156916
I'm sure that 3k embrace will safe the whole party!
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>people STILL don't know how to play scholar
how do you even run out of mana, spam adlo all day? shadowflare is free now too and you get more aetherflows than ever, i dont get it
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>>383156326

>it's the players

nigga, the fastest speedrunners would pick WHM if they thought it was going to give them the highest speed. Fey Union's nerf doesn't affect its niche usage, at most it'll be an extra physick. Only 4 teams in the top 20 for Lakshimi use WHM and only two in Susano.

>>383157089

>GCDs don't cost a thing.

You ever wonder why WHM parses lower with an AST rather than with a SCH? Thin Air doesn't change a thing. Free means off-gcd much like everything in SCH's toolkit.

>>383156941

>a lightspeed AST can recover faster than that

With fucking Benefic crits, are you for real right now.

>>383157210

>youre going to do it at most twice a minute and that never happens in prectice its used once a minute

Susano. I forgot most of you started raiding in Creator.
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>>383157376
Eos is still insanely strong and the fact you think otherwise while providing absolutely no reasons why proves to me you're a shitter.
>>383157432
Moving the Goalposts: The Post

There is near nothing wrong with SCH's MP at the moment, save maybe Adlo being slightly too high. You have the same amount of regeneration and management as AST, even better thanks to your fucking fairy. Please eat shit SCH mains, because these posts prove to me you have absolutely no idea as to what you're talking about.
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>>383157432
>>383157376

WD has ever been the post-raid damage bandaid that tops people up to full hp because its like 21k+ of free aoe healing every minute.
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>>383157714
Say the non SCH main I assume?
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This XPAC is legit shit, It's awful in its mediocrity. Every change is shit sans the revamped map, seriously.

The story is so much worse than HW.
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>>383157557
you dont listen to what im saying im saying the WHM COMPS ARE THE ONES WITH WORSE PLAYERS the sch comps have better players and fay unions nerf cuts it from a consistant 9-10k heal to 5k thats a massive nerf and if you think that isnt a huge difference youre an idiot and yes people can be wrong aboput comps when you compare the #7 in lakshmi they have a worse dps comp and dont even have recorded lb damage and are only ~5 gcds off of #1 i think that really indicates that sch is not as strong as people think and a whm ast comp is much better
>Susano. I forgot most of you started raiding in Creator.
sorry is started raiding in binding coil and ive played sch for every tier instead of trying to make up when i started tell me where id use it more than once a minute
>inb4 jwaves
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>play Warrior in XIV
>new dungeon
>say it's my first time
>healer is the only person that isn't new
>doesn't explain any mechanics
>gets salty I don't do them
>have to guess the mechanics because he still won't tell me
>barely heals me any in bosses or pulls
>die
>blames it on me not using cooldowns
>I went 20s without getting a single healing spell against 3 mobs
>don't get a commendation

That's the most bullshit run I can think of in a long time. Usually, it just goes something like

>MT
>do big mechs with relative ease
>might slip up a tiny bit (lose aggro to an add), but very quickly bounce back
>no commendation

Or

>MT
>OT decided to fight for aggro because everyone thinks Warrior can't MT
>get in a dick measuring contest
>rips aggro from me while standing with the rest of the party and gets them smacked
>everyone thanks OT when it's over
>0 commendations

Why the fuck does everyone hate Warrior so much? I'm not a god tier tank, but I'm definitely a cut above the average tank, and everyone still treats me like a second class citizen because I'm not PLD or DRK. It's just irritating.

inb4 "you're just trying to sound good." I was MT on one of the first Skywhale EX clears on my server after the considerably higher geared Pally kept wiping us. I'm not good enough to do cutting edge raid content, but I'm far from bad
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>>383150247
We made an entire journey with Shiva and a dragoon using half a primal power. Isn't it sort of hypocritcal to condemn every primal except the ones we like?
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>>383158083
How did tat Fey union bug worked actually?
I'm sad that I missed out on it.
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>>383157979
>Opening to HW story
>WoL dramatically trudging through a blizzard into an unfamiliar city known for its oppressive fanatical theocracy after being exiled from their home and having basically their whole team ripped to shreds and presumed dead

>Opening to SB story
>Everyone's just hanging out in the Rising Stones in no particular hurry to follow up on anything that happened previously
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>>383157809
You have provided literally no arguments against why SCH's MP management and regeneration is fine aside from
>w-well eos isn't carrying me.

Eos is by far still one of the most broken job mechanics in the game. Any SCH worth their salt that isn't complete garbage knows this, because the amount of absolutely free (in every regard) healing she can provide is ridiculous. Whispering Dawn is ridiculous on itself; top that off with fey illum and constant embraces? Are you kidding? You're worried about SCH's MP when Eos exists? You're just shit, plain and simple.
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>>383158175
just don't MT then. it's not like you're gonna get commends every run dude.
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>>383158197
meld direct hit and it always crit making it do near double the healing it used a cirect crit multi though so it went from ~5k to 9-10k
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>>383158417
HW also had Count Edmont's godlike narration.
SB we get Lyse.
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>>383157557
>With fucking Benefic crits
Oh I'm sorry that OH SHIT mechanics like stack churn happen more than once per fight that you had to fish for benefic crits to reduce the cd on lightspeed

but hey, that WHM also has an aoe save, it's called Assize
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>>383157727
>>383157714
whispering dawn is usefull but its not so amazing it makes sch worth takingwhm has assylum and its aoe gcds ast has collective/earthly
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>>383158191
Nidhogg wasn't a primal. Bahamut was a primal but that one was based on the real Bahamut that the Allagans killed. Ysayle herself wasn't a primal and the Mothercrystal had blessed her too so there's some leeway there.
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>>383158580
True enough, but I love MT. It just gets old, especially when I know I'd be getting more as Paladin. I always did back in ARR and HW, so I doubt SB would be any different
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>>383158791
>but its not so amazing
HAHAHAHAHA

This is it; this is how I know you're shit and are probably just a player that doesn't do anything more than run dungeons.

Whispering Dawn is leaps and bounds ahead of Asylum. You have to cram together and wait in a bubble for eons to get Asylum's full effect; you literally tap WD and its on every party member.

You have to scramble together and wait for Earthly, and you need to pop everyone into collective to get its full benefit, and collective costs a GCD because you have to wait for server tics to apply the regen.

And even then, you can't DO anything with collective up; you can toss out WD while still healing.

You are trash. Stop replying to this conversation like you have any ounce of an idea of how SCH works or how healers play outside of """""expert""""" dungeons.
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>>383158657
Holy shit I forgot how perfect that was
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>>383158083

>fay unions nerf cuts it from a consistant 9-10k heal to 5k thats a massive nerf

Wow that one time that 45k heal is now a 30k heal. You're hilarious trying to convince me that Fey Union is the reason SCH was so powerful. AST/WHM is viable but it doesn't change the fact the SCH is still the ideal partner to AST. With the way people are bitching about SCH for no reason, it'll be even better when its buffed.

>sorry is started raiding in binding coil and ive played sch for every tier instead of trying to make up when i started tell me where id use it more than once a minute
>I have to recall all my healing knowledge to satisfy a fuckwit who thinks SCH is bad

Anyways, A1s, the time between Gunnery Pods is less than 1 minute.
A2s, jagd dolls it was more efficient to indom both tanks between the cleaves which came many times in a minute.
A3s, splashes/cascades
A4s, carnage zero into jagd doll explosions
A5s, early stack in phase 1 into poisons, Gobcut/Shock therapy
A6s, bio-fucking arithmetic, orb explosions,
a7s, bombs/lightning
a8s, in general.
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>>383158871
Would Final steps of Faith Nidhogg count as a Primal? Since we killed his original body in the Aery, him possessing Estinien and summoning his own dragon body using his own eyes as a source of Aether makes him similar to a primal.
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>>383123142
>Leveling sam
>Queue time for dungeon: 12 minutes
Its like christmas morning
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>ITT SCHfaggots try desperately hard (and fail) to convince everyone why they should go back to being overpowered faglords

Yeah, nah. Eat shit. At least WHMs take it all on the chin; I hope SE nerfs SCH further.
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>SCHs arguing for the job are autistic
>SCHs arguing against the job are autistic
just delete this dumb job from the game desu
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>>383158789

Best part is lightspeed still costs gcds and you're honestly still trying to argue that point that two free instant aoe heals is worse than a 2min cd that just halves your cast time while still eating your gcd.
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>>383159312
No, it was literally his soul tied to his eyes. It's why when you remove the eyes from Estinien's armor his spirit fades away.
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>>383159359
It's like all my namedays have come at once.
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>>383158524
All I'm saying is that, you're spouting a lot of bullshint without any 4.0 SCH experience in good and shit group and are just looking at the paper.
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>>383159128
alot of fights is positioning many fights have people stacked together and close by so the range on these is ireelevant and in a fight where people were spread like a4s wd couldnt reach everyone but medica 2 could
collective you get the tick for the regen then pop out and continue playing you dummy

anyways im gonna head out but even if we agree sch is in a fine place balance wise i will say it went from being a class that felt good to play to being incredibly clunky and with too many contradictory skils and bad mechanics
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>>383159753
I wish we would've got a little more exposition on him. He had a logical conclusion to his story, but it felt a little sudden.
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>>383159128
I hate how SCH feels now but Im still going to play it anyway after my group realized how lacking healing felt without Eos being the tiny adorable healing crutch she is. This man is correct.
SCH just doesnt feel good right now, i get it. Its still strong as fuck though.
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>>383158657
>That conversation with Edmont at the end of the DRK quest

I really didn't think I'd miss Ishgard and my elf dad so much
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>>383159128
also just pop into collective right before the server tick happens its like how people ran right after a server tick in a4s you just have to count and know when its going to happen so a small little tip i guess so you can play ast better :)
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>>383159753
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>>383158191
Nidhogg wasn't a Primal.
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>>383159979
We blew him the fuck out 3 times, so yeah he was desperate to kill us and reclaim his honor.

I felt bad I caused him to go down this road though, he didn't deserve this.
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>>383160236
Warriors(of light), come out and plaaaay!
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>Adventurer in need (healer)
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>>383159269
30k isn't half of 45k, just saying.
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>>383160041
Stormblood was a real step down storywise in a lot of ways from Heavensward. If the patches don't make things interesting I'll be sad.
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>>383160906
Agreed. It felt like all we did was super rushed. Perhaps the whole of the expansion should have been our adventure.
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>>383159789
And you're providing zero arguments as to why SCH is bad besides your retarded "m-muh feels" as to why it's bad. All of the whining in this thread has been by SCH mains trying to spout retarded nonsense as to why the job is suddenly on the brink of collapse, when literally everyone else has explained why it's fine. Provide some actual math and reasons to your feels-based bullshit.
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>>383153526
Yep
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>>383159949
>anyways im gonna head out after providing no logical arguments

Don't let the door hit you on the way out, faggo.
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>>383161175
except math was provided as to why its not in a good state higest mana costs weakest regen weakest heals highest mana cost contradictory skills and mechanics only reason it is taken is chain stratagem prove me otherwise
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>>383160906
It felt like they basically got bored with Ala Mhigo as soon as pre-production ended, then got a massive hard-on for Doma/Othard and put all their effort into that, except for some reason they weren't willing to just jettison Ala Mhigo entirely and felt like they still had to start and finish there even though they didn't give a shit about it.

So Doma is this giant sidequest with tons of love put into it that ends up being irrelevant to anything outside of it, and the main story is some half-added bullshit they didn't seem to actually want to do.
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>>383161572
Our only hope is that the 4.x patches mainly take place in Doma or Othard.
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>>383161175
I can't show you visible proof since I don't parse myself, but having played 70 SCH, AST and WHM in different situation while farming dogs i LakEX and SusanEX, Yes SCH MP management is fucking horrible compared to those two, I can safe and heal back up a whole party when they fuck up mechanics without loosing 50% of my MP on WHM and AST while I get almost oom (down to 20 or 30%) on SCH.
Not every run is perfect, some people don't have a FC/static and cannot play with competent people 100% of the time and if you only look at the top rank of fflogs where nobody does stupid shit and SCH don't have to waste MP in rez and other succors you cannot see how SCH really play.

One thing that could make things a lot better for SCH would be to boost their Quickened Aetherflow trait to at least 40% chance instead of 20%.
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>>383161739
Nah buddy. Gotta use that unused zone for 4.1-4.5. Get hyped for the lochs!!!
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>>383159710
What is the second SCH aoe heal?

>that just halves your cast time
It subtracts 2.5s from the cast time you fucking retard. That means everything that isn't raise becomes instant.

>still costs gcds
Shorter than Indom's 30 second cd, that's for sure :^)
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>>383129616
You have to press a button then scroll through your buffs, it's a waste of time, it's awful, and you're never going to do it in time in an emergency, but controller players are okay with this because terrible controls are "comfy"
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>>383161769

>Not every run is perfect, some people don't have a FC/static and cannot play with competent people 100% of the time and if you only look at the top rank of fflogs where nobody does stupid shit and SCH don't have to waste MP in rez and other succors you cannot see how SCH really play.

That makes no sense. Competent people is how the game should be balanced. Just because pug SAM barely do above my Static MCH doesn't mean SAM need a buff.

>>383161991

>Shorter than Indom's 30 second cd, that's for sure :^)
>my 5 seconds of no-dps because I used a 2min cd for two helios is much better than a 0.5 second aoe heal that can be used up to three times a minute if you use it immediately after getting aetherflow stacks
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>>383158175

I still get a shit ton of comms as warrior honestly
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>>383161991

>What is the second SCH aoe heal?

That was more in reference in the fact that you could use indom 2-3 times in 1 minute, in general but their 2nd aoe heal is WD.
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>>383146248
>All that wasted time getting to berserk at the start
Get a new opener because yours is terrible
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>Exdeath
>get 2 SCH
>they can't keep a DRK and PLD alive or handle AOE damage at all
WEW
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>>383162354
>That makes no sense. Competent people is how the game should be balanced. Just because pug SAM barely do above my Static MCH doesn't mean SAM need a buff.
We aren't talking of the damage output of the SAM but how much can SCH heal without getting oom in awful situation compared to the 2 other healers.

You shouldn't balance a job, and especially a healer ability to heal, on the top chart of fucking fflogs.

Weren't healers meant to carry shitters? SCH can't even do that anymore.
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>>383162764
Shitty Scholars, tbqh
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>>383160906
>>383161572
I felt like that too. Doma suddenly got a lot of attention despite meaning fuck all in the grand scheme of the expansion. I don't even mind that Doma was a thing, but perhaps it should've been one stepping stone on the way to Ala Mhigan liberation instead of having the story just toss you back in to the fringes and wind up at the gates of the castle a few hours later.

I would've been fine with liberating Ala Mhigo in small phases every patch, rushing it with the end of 4.0 sort of ruins it. Unless they're planning to have a massive imperial counterattack come in the next few patches, where taking the city was the easy part, the hard part is holding it, at which point I'd be ok with things.
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>>383162801

>how much can SCH heal without getting oom in awful situation compared to the 2 other healers

SCH is one of the best healers in emergencies though for fucks sake. Lustrates, Indom, WD, Fey Union, Dissipation. All of that shit is free and can be popped in under 30 seconds. They never need Swift now that Shadowflare is an off-gcd so res is always available too.

>You shouldn't balance a job, and especially a healer ability to heal, on the top chart of fucking fflogs.

Sure you know what fuck it. Buff SCH. Just do it, daddy please we're so weak.
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>>383163174
>it should've been one stepping stone on the way to Ala Mhigan liberation
But that's exactly what it was.
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>>383162885
>>383162764
Every bad group i've had always had scholars in it. From 8mans to 4man. They really fucked it up.
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>>383162354
>WOOOOOW I LOST A WHOPPING 420 POTENCY WORTH OF HEALER DPS
fuck, how would the group make enrage now!
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>>383162801
>Weren't healers meant to carry shitters? SCH can't even do that anymore.
No, it's the players who carry shitters.

If you're playing SCH and can't do your role you're the shitter. There are other people who are managing to do it and it's just because they're competent players. You aren't one of them. Maybe try DPS.
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>>383119037
Either your rotation is retarded or you clearly fuck up sad rotation occasionaly.

3800 should be the minimum you should pull in a fight you pretend to know. My GBCD is 2.43 and I do 4-4.5k (depending on crit/direct hitluck)
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Anyone noticed the new title for soloing up to 200 in POTD? I imagine its only doable with stacking sustain pots and on RDM, no one has done it yet in any datacenter.
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>>383163453
That's because the changes done to Scholars require Scholar players to adapt to their new circumstances.
Scholar is near completely fine as a healer, all they really need is the MP cost of some of their spells reduced somewhat.
Stop playing with shitters, and you'll see.
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>>383163453

Yeah we need alot of cummies and buffs. Here's my list for SCH buffs.

Fey Union now restores 15k hp per tick like it used to before it was "fixed" xd.
Adlo now costs the same as physick.
Bane is reverted back to 2.0 Bane
Add Broil III and make it an aoe.
Aetherflow proc chance is now 50%
Shadowflare is still off-gcd but make it last 30 seconds
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>>383163756
>Bane is reverted back to 2.0 Bane
I know you're trying to be "lefunny" and ironically retarded, but that's an even bigger nerf.
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>>383163756
>Add Broil III and make it an aoe.
You forgot that Broil III should cost less than Broil II
>Shadowflare is still off-gcd but make it last 30 seconds
Samurai have a 60 second DoT, why should Scholar?
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>>383163174
I want Ala Mhigo to be like post-invasion Iraq. A bunch of factions wanting control popup to fight the puppets put in place by the Alliance until the Garleans stage a counterattack which ends in a pyrrhic victory for the Eorzeans.
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>>383163890

>somebody actually caught it

It's not ironic if 90% of xiv threads believe it. Every thread is going on about SCH is so weak. I hope SCH is buffed so WHM never ever returns for yet another expansion.
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>>383163913
shouldn't*
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FIX YOUR FUCKING SERVERS YOSHIDA
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>>383161769
SCH could do with a few -very modest- buffs. It could do with some of its MP costs being reduced, and maybe a SLIGHT potency buff on Succor or Adlo, but that's it.

MP is one thing; SCH got hit hard in that department but even then they're only slightly worse than AST is, and AST still isn't that great because they also got nerfed.

But the arguments in this thread are straight up retarded.
>Eos is bad, she can't carry my whole group with her OP healing anymore!
>Our MP regeneration doesn't give us infinite MP anymore, so unfair!

SCH was nerfed for a reason, and it's not going to be magically twisted back in the other direction. Fuck, look at some of the requests on the official forums (where they actually look at feedback)

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/335013-Concise-Scholar-4.0-feedback

look at those suggestions and tell me that SCH mains aren't just trying to fix the current problems with the class. 90% of current SCH complaints are totally unwarranted because most of them long for the return of disgustingly overpowered 3.x SCH, and it's not happening.
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>>383163976
That'd be pretty cool really. Something to make it not all rainbows and sunshine.
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>tfw MCH main
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>>383163913

I feel our recovery ability when trying to raise 4 shitters while soloing healing because the whm is d/cing is also rather weak, I think we need Dualcast too.
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>>383164143
To be fair ASTs would have to try really hard to get oom because of extended lucid, mp cards and general lower cost of MP on their spells.
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>>383164315
But that doesn't help with Scholars MP issues at all, make all casts done while under Dualcast free.
Oh and they don't trigger the GCD.
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>>383164143
>Cant see these sprites without hearing that reddit meme group in my head talking about healer changes like they're relevant.

REEEEEEEEEEEE
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Can we talk about SAM for a sec?

What is the best opener in the end?
I know they have different kind of opener depending of the situation, but I would like to know the most damaging one.

Is the 3 sen opener really that much more powerful?
http://ffxivrotations.com/rm4

How does the Yukikaze/2sen opener do in comparaison in term of damage?
http://ffxivrotations.com/s79
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>>383164217
>yfw the Garleans figure Ala Mhigo isn't worth it and just bombard the entire countryside from airship cannons
Who needs to wage a ground war against uppity Mhiggers when you have compiler aerial superiority.
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>>383164143

>Chain Strategem - Increase duration to 30 seconds

oh my fuck, I should have added that to the list. Great suggestion really.

>Dissipation: Should keep the fairy out, giving you and the fairy a 20% heal boost while refreshing Aetherflow

An even better one.

>>383164451

Just go to square enix right now and get your job.
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>>383164926
3 sen opener in optimal raid comp with NIN and WAR, Yukikaze when no one else have slashing debuff.
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Healer RDM when?
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>>383165112
If there's a WAR but no NIN should I do the 3 sen opener or the 1 sen one?
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>>383165025
While were at it:

>Winning Stratagem
>Instant Cast AoE 1000 Potency Heal on the party
>Buff Embrace to 600 potency, she's not strong enough
>Double the duration of Whispering Dawn
>Buff Fey Illum to 50%
>Lower Adlo cost to 800 MP, make shields quadruple on crit

t. SCH main :^)
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>>383165197
1 sen
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>>383163890
>>383164143

>Pick up scholar in 3.0
>zero issues healing shit tanks who pull everything and don't pop cooldowns
>can still dps
>get to ex primals
>zero issues healing shit tanks who don't pop cooldowns
>still dpsing 2k plus
>only run out of mana when retards die and I have to raise them

I legit don't see the issue with the class other than it's lack of filler aoe. The only issue I have with scholar is seeing other scholars having their pet on follow instead of positioning them so the tether doesn't break.

Actually most of my issues with 8 man healing are the other healers being legit retards. It's surprising how many healers don't dps or even heal. It's like they picked the class to get carried.
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>>383164926
Are people really this autistic about damage numbers? I mean I get needing to do high damage to finish content faster but if it's only just a few thousand difference then why does it matter?
Just make sure everything is on cd and don't fuck up.
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>>383165252
>>Instant Cast AoE 1000 Potency Heal on the party
Any amount overhealed turns into a 2x overheal amount shield
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>>383165296

Creator speedrun mentality
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>>383165296
>if it's only just a few thousand difference
Jesus fucking Christ, what the fuck am I reading
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>>383165296
>>383165427
It's really just to stroke my epeen with my massive damage over everyone else.

I'm not kidding, that's really my reason.
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>>383165296
>Just be willfully bad at sub-optimal at a task your investing time into.

That'll get you far, both in game and in life.
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>>383165293
>I'm 99 percentile while raising shitters and dealing with a cohealer that isn't solo healing for me
ok
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>>383165427
We need another pepsiman
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>>383165627
you can be optimal without being autistic
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>>383165397
And the amount shielded also applies a 30% damage up buff on the raid for the duration the shield is up, and once it's destroyed, explodes for 700 potency.

These are things SCH needs if it's even going to COMPETE, guys!
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>>383165842
>you can be optimal
>only just a few thousand difference
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>>383165842
How is it autistic to try to be good at your job exactly?
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lads I'm assuming he's talking about a few thousand number damage because there's no way there would be such a huge disparity in dps
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>>383165627
>being this autistic about a game
>he doesn't perform optimally in life by default
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>>383165924
oh right, its worth mentioning im not the same guy who said that

>>383165951
its not, but its autistic to over obsess about it, especially in an easy casual shitter game like this
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>>383166176
>because there's no way there would be such a huge disparity in dps
Total raid DPS can reach that high on optimal opener vs not optimal opener with your comp.
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>Be a Tank
>Decided to go dps for shit and giggles
>Do pretty well its not fucking rocket science with SAM
>Get the famous triple cancer
>Tank who only does one pull at the time and dont dps
>Healer that don't dps
>Dps that don't do AoE rotation during packs.
Jesus Christ DPS the shit you put up with is insane.
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>>383166296
But those openers are important because they are situational.
It's like saying a 3.0 NIN should only start with dancing edge no matter the party composition.
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>>383166554
Come on, single pulls aren't that cancer. The other two are far worse.
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>>383166554
You really shouldn't AoE on single pulls that contain at most 3 mobs anyway.
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>>383166575
>It's like saying a 3.0 NIN should only start with dancing edge no matter the party composition.
because they should have.

>all those different momo openers

i knew it was a meme when i saw the one that opens with shadow fang and mutilate first
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>>383166680
>pulls that are small enough to make every of your aoe a massive waste of resource but big enough that single targeting them would take forever
>your other single targeting dps doesn't use goad/mana shift
It's an abstract kind of cancer that avalanches with other issues in the party
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>>383166554
>Be low on TP because AoEing the shit out of enemies as sam
>Other SAM is high on TP because he is solo targeting
>Doesnt Goad me either
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>>383166885
Are you dumb?
With a WAR in the party there's absolutely no reason to use dancing edge first.
And putting dots first make since since you wouldn't have got the slashing debuff up in time for Aeolian edge.
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>>383166906
>pulls that are small enough to make every of your aoe a massive waste of resource but big enough that single targeting them would take forever
>do single target combos
>hagakure on cd, burn kenki on Kuyten
>burn Sen on Tenka Goken
There.
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>>383167073
why would you wait for the war to put it up when you can put it up before them
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>>383167303
Because the opener with the dots first is more damage than going for dancing edge which will be overwritten by the war in the next gcd anyway?
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>>383167440
>unbuffed dots will be more damage than buffed dots
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>>383167635
Don't tell me you believe that the slashing debuff buff the dots damage, right?
You aren't this dumb, right?
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