60$ for the same game >60$ for the same game 60$ for the same

>>383032253
>Activision
Yeah. They do that.

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>>383032253
You know their going to pull the same shit they did with the last game.
>More exclusives to the ps4, this includes all dlc
>Season pass doesn't include all the dlc, just a few of them
>Story will be played out like shit but good lore will be hidden
>Each year after release they'll "reset" year one exotics making you grind for the same fucking thing over again.

>>383032253

And remember

>no dedicated servers
>30 fps when even consoles have most mainstream FPS games running at 60
>literally the exact same engine, graphics, models, animations, assets, etc
>pc release 7 weeks after consoles
>laughable 4vs4 pvp
>ships are still literal loading screens and serve no function whatsoever
>microtransactions on a full priced game filled with DLC
>exclusive content to one platform
>weapons no longer have random rolls, what you see is what you get

>>383032253
Who in the flying fuck wasn't burned with the first one and will this game despite probably 90$ DLC?

>$60
>he isn't taking advantage of multiple amazon promotions to get it for ~$25 on day 1
It might even be worth it at that price because it sure as fuck isn't at $60

>>383032253
And people complain about Splatoon 2...

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>>383033975
Pray tell anon, how does one achieve this?

>>383033603
I agree with everything you said other than the last point - removing RNG on weapons is ultimately a good thing because of how fucking annoying good rares could be

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and it's still going to be the goty LMAO. You can't stop the coddrones who are now destinydrones

>>383034156

Yeah, but of course removing RNG loot in a looter shooter is a good thing alright. As if they hadn't casualized legendaries and ran exotics into the ground enough.

>>383032253

Surely, they've changed something for the sequel?

>>383033582
>Season pass doesn't include all the dlc, just a few of them
I never played Destiny after the first month, but did they seriously add expansions and make you pay for them beyond season pass?

>>383034309

Not even the fucking UI, I shit you not. It's a literal dlc being sold as the full game. Yesterday they showed the social space that is the new not-tower and the first thing I noticed was that it had the EXACT same ship that went into the tower, then stood still for like 5 seconds and then went away. They just copypasted that shit in there.

>>383034105
1.) create new prime account with a 1-month free trial
2.) stream something using amazon video on a "approved device" by tomorrow
https://www.amazon.com/b/ref=dv_web_unk?_encoding=UTF8&node=16979032011&pf_rd_i=home&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=2781300222&pf_rd_r=23GMT5QDDF5BT09WEWBA&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_t=12401
3.) get the $5 just for installing their shitty toolbar (delete immediately after) https://www.amazon.com/gp/BIT/aapromo?ie=UTF8&bitCampaignCode=a0050
4.) preorder and get 20% off

>>383034105
I assume that anon means somewhere like this
http://www.allkeyshop.com/blog/buy-destiny-2-cd-key-compare-prices/

>>383034432

Yup.

Destiny 1 - $ 60
First dlc - $ 20
Second dlc - $ 20
The Taken King """"""""expansion"""""""" (so we don't call it DLC and can charge for it) - $ 40
Last dlc - $ 30

And of course, microtransactions :^)

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>>383034224
>coddrones who are now destinydrones

>>383034432
>>383034579

For clarification, the season pass also only covered the first two dlcs released during year 1 and it cost 30. Besides, you could glitch into some DLC areas because they were already on the disc. It was just your typical piece of cut content being sold separately.

>>383034446

Really? No new class, or race, or weapon types? There's got to be SOMETHING.

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>>383033975
>he isn't taking advantage of the fact that you can buy this game with fucking gold
Why spend any money at all?

>>383032253
>Cabal DLC vanishes from pipeline to be replaced with full priced Cabal game
>promo material for D1 includes Earth, Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn (became DLC), and Jupiter (still not seen)
>$230 still haven't released all the content intended for the original version of D1
>what was supposed to be D1's comet expansion will almost surely be ripped apart to create D3 + DLCs
People are going to buy this.
People are going to express gratitude for being given the opportunity to buy this.

Where did we go wrong?

>>383034841
because unless you play WoW (which I don't) it will cost you more time/money to farm the gold at this point than just buying it with cash

>>383034726

There are new classes, but the changes are minor. The only noteworthy one is the Sentinel, which is basically a captain america version of the titan. The ultimate for the new warlock classe is LITERALLY the same thing as your destiny 1 character holding that fire sword. It's literally just that but he can fly a little. The new hunter class' ultimate is literally the bladedancer ultimate but with a pole instead of a knife.

You also now have two primaries and a special slot instead of primary, special and heavy. And they made spectacular decision of making snipers and shotguns compete for the same slot with things such as missile launchers, screwing over PvE in favor of PvP because bungie can't balance for shit.

And as it's shaping up, I assume the character creation is gonna be the exact same one from year 1 because we already know that we won't get heavily requested stuff such as beards and whatnot and so far the characters we've seen look exactly like the ones from destiny 1.

It's a dlc.

>>383034841

Turning WoW gold into Blizzard store credit seems like quite the racket, if you can take advantage of it.

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I dont have a console so I didn't paly the first.

Tell me why I shouldnt buy this on PC.

>>383034432
Yes. D1 season pass ($35) only covered first 2 "expansions": dark below & house of wolves ($20 each if bought separately). Taken king was another $40 and final dlc rise of iron was another $25. So $160 all in for day 1 player who stuck with the game.

Anyone who didn't buy the "expansions" was basically locked out of the game. You still had to download and install everything, buy if you didn't have the key you were restricted to shitty low level missions to play by yourself. They used to have a "legacy" PvP playlist for those who didn't get it which I'm think is now completely gone.

Anyone who buys D2 believing Bungo have changed their ways is beyond help at this point.

>>383035092
Why couldn't they just leave the primary secondary and heavy weapons slots for pve and two primary slots for pvp?
>You can no longer go into a boss fight with a sniper rifle and a rocket launcher

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>>383032253
I really enjoyed Destiny 1 so i'm totally ok with that.

>>383032253
No different than the pokemon, dark souls, or jrpg, or sony hd movie #400 everyone on /v/ rebuys over and over. Gaming is a scam hobby, welcome.

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>>383034961
Gold hasn't been hard to get since MoP, most people I know are sitting on several gold capped characters.

>>383035236
It is, for both the company and the average player. Some sucker somewhere down the line paid $20 so I don't have to give money to Blizz ever again.

>>383035368
Have you been reading the thread?

>>383033582
So its an mmo without a subscription? Sounds like Destiny.

>>383035368

DLC shitfest
microtransactions
PC version will be dead on arrival because it doesn't have dedicated servers AND it arrives almost two months after the console one. Hope you enjoy playing with hackers in a wasteland of a game with everything spoiled out already.

One of the main appeals for destiny is figuring out cool secret stuff that the community finds together. People have already found extremely overpowered weapon merely by accident in this game. By the time it comes out on PC, every single thing will be spoiled out already and I guarantee you it will severely impact your enjoyment of the game.

Also read the thread.

>>383035482
because then they'd be doing something different for PvP vs PvE, which they absolutely refuse to do (even though it is clearly the best option)

>>383035561
again, you need to play WoW to get gold. I don't play WoW and have no interest in doing so. By the time I bought WoW and spent all the time farming gold it would have been easier to just buy the game outright. Agree though that if you already play WoW buying it with anything other than gold would be retarded.

>>383035368
Because you'll need a Battle.net account to play it :^)

>>383032253
But this time ALSO on the PC, because WoW gold.

I mean over 200K for a WoW token? Really? Fucking REALLY?! Not even hardcore AH lunatics make that kind of money that fast in one month, unless they were botting, and sucking Blizz cocck to avoid bans.

>>383033582
>Each year after release they'll "reset" year one exotics making you grind for the same fucking thing over again.
They shouldn't reset them at all or make the ones you had the next max light level. Old gear should stay old gear. If they design themselves into a corner where they somehow can't create new armor/weapons better than the launch ones they fucked up already.

The biggest fuck up already is not having more than 1 fucking raid in vanilla. Literally will run out of content the day after Hard Mode comes out.

>>383035534
>Scam

I hope your miserable existence gets better some day. Whoever buys destiny TWO is because destiny ONE was fun for them

>>383035658
>An mmo
yeah, except that the most you can play with is 3 in pve. With the exception of raids being a whopping 6 players
COD has bigger player modes than destiny and it's not considered an mmo

>>383035849

Apparently it's lower on NA realms.

>>383032253
>I got it for free
I got it for free
>I got it for free
I got it for free
>I got it for free
I got it for free

>>383036156
video card?

>>383035725
I wasn't saying "lol you don't have gold look at this guy he doesn't play wow". I was just pointing out that making it has become trivial. You could probably start a fresh account and make that sort of cash ez if you were so inclined. Probably should've been a bit more clear about what I meant now that I'm thinking about it.

>>383036220
Got it in one.

>>383035482

Because Bungie can't balance for shit. They have tried countless times to balance shotguns for example and they failed miserably every single time. So now they are trying to basically cockblock it from the game and are taking a massive on PvE as a result.

When they """"balanced"""" something in destiny 1, instead of making weak stuff viable, they just applied blanket nerfs to everything else. Then they started doing what was basically "seasons", as in, for now hand cannons are gonna be fucking shit and you should be using pulse rifles, then it's the auto rifle time, then it's the scout rifle time, and so on and so forth. It's downright fucking pathetic.

They also take ages to fix MASSIVE exploits. For example, when The Taken King launched the Sunbreaker's ultimate was bugged to hell and beyond, you could spam hammers like crazy and it took bungie well over a month to fix that. Despite that, during the first iteration of year 2's iron banner, the Nightstalker's ultimate was bugged as fuck and you would have infinite super energy if you kept doing some stuff. Needless to say, it also took them ages to fix that.

This game is the definition of low effort crap. Sure the gunplay is fucking solid, but bungie and activision don't give a fuck about taking advantage of the enormous potential this franchise has. Rather than putting effort into creating something truly wonderful, they pour all their energy and money into deceiving people and telling them they are indeed with something great in their hands, when in reality they are holding a turd. It's the classic example of modern western gaming garbage design: 90% of the budget goes to marketing and the rest goes to the actual development of the game.

>>383036068
That's my whole point. It's weird to attack one game for scamming people who enjoy previous games, when most ips already do it. Fuck Nintendo is re-releasing the same Pokemon game a year later with a few added things and it'll sell a bazillion.

Blizzard is re-selling Starcraft later this year with hd sprites, that a free mod could have been given out.

Gaming is a scam service now, and it's funny when /v/ gets upset over Destiny only

>>383032253

And $30 every year for the DLC that locks EVERYTHING out.

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>>383035368
It's one of the most joyless games in existence, the only reason to play is for the gear grind. And to do that you have to run the same shitty levels over and over, and every level has a meta way to do it fast as possible.

If you aren't running the meta way you're wasting everyone's time.

It's just not a fun game.

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>>383034945
Around about cod4's release imo

>>383036353
Don't forget about bugs, they never fucking fix bugs. For example, if you pop a heavy synth while dead it simply doesn't work. You wasted a heavy synth and have to wait the 5 minutes to pop another one even though you got 0 ammo from the one you just used.

>>383034446
that town is so bland and apparently only 26 people can be in the hub zozzle

>>383036667
that describes literally every co-op loot game ever made

>>383036715
this

>>383033582
>good lord will be hidden

They removed grimoire cards on top of not having any of Staten's writing to cannibalize anymore. All of the plot and lore will be shit but this time Activision will remember to pay the reviews so we get an 8/10 it's alright

>>383036482

What is even better about this is that this shit will come out in december and yet there is already dlc coming a couple months later.

The PC release is gonna be such a massive fucking disaster I'm almost looking forward to it. They are gonna get the game in the very end of october and some weeks later the entire vanillar content will already have been made entirely obsolete by the first DLC.

This is gonna be such a massive fucking shitshow.

>>383034945
When they gutted that leaked timeline after gutting the original story and firing the people who mattered.

>>383036985
26 people is 10 more than D1

>>383037000
that is literally wrong

>>383036985

I can't wait until someone does a comparison to the tower only to find out the vendors are in the exact same spots as their iterations from destiny 1 or some shit like that. I mean, they already copypasted the ship.

>>383037000
I know really says something about the genre, such a shame that Bungo went from the highs of Halo to the grindy chink shit garbo destiny is.

>>383037123
name an exception

>>383036985
>26
Only 25 m8: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YX9udnSr1c

Huuuuuuge increase from before though
Tower: 16 players
Reef: 9
Temple: 16

>>383034462
what the fuck? 30 bucks for game that is out in like half year? This cant be legit

>>383037025

You're also forgetting how they already flat out said we aren't getting jack fucking shit about the things that people actually give a fuck about, such as The Traveler, Rasputin and etc. Instead, here, have this Literal Who from the one faction absolutely nobody cares about aka the Cabal and please pretend that you care about him.

>>383037389
look at the sellers
it isn't

>>383037258
Left4Dead

>>383037123
how is he wrong? at least try to explain your shit opinions

>>383037665
>>383037258
oh wait, didn't read "loot game"
you're correct, forgive me, I'm an idiot

>>383037665
LOL

>>383037665
not exactly a loot-based game

>>383033582
I seriously hope this game has a Titanfall 2 effect. It deserves it... hard. Shit needs to flop.

>>383033582
I never bought that shit, but it needs to fail hard this time. It'll still get buyers who believe the bullshit "DLC IS SUPPORT". Yeah, support for the publishers wallet, not the fucking game.

>>383037952
incredibly unlikely - PC alone is going to push it to success

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>>383032253
The first game was fun and people enjoyed it. The second game will be fun and people will enjoy it. People pay because they want more content for the game that they enjoy.

/thread.

>>383038240
>PC alone is going to push it to success
>7 weeks delay
>no dedicated servers

EL

OH

EL

>>383038437
Aren't they paying for Blizzard to do their hosting?

>>383038437
It's in the Blizzard app, the Blizz drones will buy it regardless, even tho it's not being made by Blizz.

>>383038437
>implying blizzard cucks won't buy whatever shows up on battle.net in droves

>>383038495

Nope. They've already clarified that Blizzard has absolutely nothing to do with the hosting of the game because surprise, it's fucking p2p. Blizzard said that they are only hosting the game on their app and that's it.

>>383037952
Titanfall 2 did NOT deserve to flop you fucking faggot.

>>383034449
So apparently i cant do his because i already streamed something from amazon video.

>>383038683
punishment for Titanfall 1

>>383037253
It's because co-op went the wrong fucking direction. Hell, multiplayer went the wrong direction. Every multiplayer game co-op or not has become a loot grindfest. Co-op should have been more about interesting game design or just solid gameplay through a story. RE5/6 are shit, but at least you can just enjoy playing those with buddies. Fucking Super Mario World has better multiplayer than most of this shit.

>>383038710
make a new prime account

>>383038578
>>383038525

m8s, not even reddit is falling for this game's shit. Places like r/pcgaming are taking massive dumps on this game every single opportunity they can.

Bungie even tried to do some damage control for it with the most hilarious piece of stealth marketing I've seen by hiring a bunch of shills to type out buzzword filled walltexts about their "innovative" online system. They basically called p2p by another name and even then it didn't fly on fucking reddit of all places.

>>383036364
Not the person you're responding too, but I've never liked multiplayer games since like 2000 because of this. MP went the wrong direction. It used to be about bringing the benefits of solo play to multiplayer and just playing through great games. Then it just became cancerous grinding. Probably the single greatest multiplayer experience I ever had was Gauntlet Dark Legacy in the early 2000's. Because it's just a fun co-op experience. No bullshit grinding, no gear progression, just a fucking good time.

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>>383038757
>improve things
>dont fuck consumers over with DLC like last time
>lol u deserve to get punished

Nah fuck off. This is a garbage attitude that leads to only focus tested trash like Overwatch succeeding because they check all the boxes the first time and don't feel the need to improve anything because they don't get much negative feedback.

>>383038889
>Bungie even tried to do some damage control for it with the most hilarious piece of stealth marketing I've seen by hiring a bunch of shills to type out buzzword filled walltexts about their "innovative" online system
kek, link?

>>383038889
Remember when PCgaming was going to boycott MW2 for not having dedicated servers? They're all hypocrites and will buy this. Dont believe me? Go look at the top PC games on Amazon, Blizzard credit, Destiny 2, and Destiny 2 is the most gifted. It's only July.

>>383039192

I'm gonna try to find it but it happened weeks ago in the destiny sub. The retarded consolefags on the sub mostly fell for it, but then they tried that same on the pc gaming sub and people called them out on it.

>>383039136
You gotta be an older dude to have fallen off MP back then. There's still fun MP out there, but you gotta find what suits you. I mainly enjoy console games mp with friends. If i want the loot progrssion stuff, I usually jump into an mmo or diablo type game.

>>383038757
>punishment
for a great game?

>>383038757
Titanfall 1 was good, fuck you

>>383038253
Reminder that Logic is half black

>>383032253
Bungie's dead to me after the shit they pulled with Destiny 1. Marty's not even there anymore, so its even more of a reason.

>>383034309
They changed a major dynamic in PvP, in an attempt to improve balance.
>Everyone starts with no ammo for their big gun
>You have to find the ammo whenever and wherever it spawns
>When you acquire the ammo for you big gun, EVERYONE IN THE MATCH will be informed about it

>>383039192

Here

https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/6g3laj/how_networking_works_in_destiny_1_and_how_it_will/

Look at the fucking size of the thing this shill typed out to come out with this "hybrid" bullshit that is just p2p with another name.

From the way he speaks, it almost seems like this is actually better than servers.

>>383035482
Bungie hates the PvE for some reason.

>>383039450
>>383039170
>>383038683

Not, you're all right. Titanfall 2 was good. But the problem is that this market doesn't give people any way to trust another game because reviewers are often hacks and keep in mind that consoles (the most prominent platform for these types of games) still don't have any reliable way to refund. So naturally, even a good game is going to flop simply because "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." It's very simple logic. Cry about it all day long, but you can't have market that attacks consumer rights regularly and then expect consumers to respect and trust you back when you fuck them.

>>383039784
>https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/6g3laj/how_networking_works_in_destiny_1_and_how_it_will/
It's literally on the Destiny subreddit. Where else would they put that?

>>383039703
But that's exactly what happened in the first game. Don't forget they cut down multiplayer to be 4v4 only for the e-sports audience as well as tweak some subclasses like solar warlock because resurection was considered OP.

>>383039824
They seem to hate PvP too.

>>383039942

My point is that people started linking to this shilling pasta on the pc sub when talking about destiny's "innovative online" and people mostly told them to fuck off.

>watch the reveal
>we have NEW raids
>new
I still don't get it, is density too a stand alone sequel or will it add new shit like MMO xpac?

>>383035849
You can make 40k in a day just queuing for random heroics when the bonus bag is up.

>>383036089
Something like 130k last I checked.

>>383034841
Nigga I can get this game FOR FREE with the amount of]Bing Boy Points I saved up. I got Destiny with all of its DLC and "expansions" for $20 in total because of the points, and I still felt insulted. I'd much rather spend my money on a game that I would enjoy.

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>>383039895
>>383038757

This. There simply is no other way but to simply not buy the sequel. I'm not gonna get burned twice just by saying "oh well, you fucked me last time, I guess I should just trust you won't fuck me again." Ladeda...

Blame the industry for fucking consumer rights. You reap what you sow.

>>383039784
>Since my OP I've learned that in FPS jargon, the term "dedicated server" is used to refer to a server that is completely authoritative over everything. Destiny 2 delegates authority for players' positions to the players' consoles, so according to this definition, dedicated Physics Hosts are not "dedicated servers".
holy shit my sides

We'll still have a soccer ball to pass around, right?

>>383037253
Don't forget that this is supposed to be Bungie's magnum opus.

>>383040026
>>Bungie even tried to do some damage control for it with the most hilarious piece of stealth marketing I've seen by hiring a bunch of shills to type out buzzword filled walltexts about their "innovative" online system
No, your point was


>>Bungie even tried to do some damage control for it with the most hilarious piece of stealth marketing I've seen by hiring a bunch of shills to type out buzzword filled walltexts about their "innovative" online system

And the guy, who only posts on the Destiny subreddit, posted that on the Destiny subreddit.

He's a shill, but he stays on the proper subreddit. Bungie didn't push that to PC subreddits, faggots like you who crosspost shit on reddit and /v/ posted it. He's doing his job and informing the community of how Bungie plans to do networking, which is a updated p2p shit.

Your original point was completely wrong.

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>>383038253
>Passively accepting shit copied from 2014 once again being fed into your mouth.

>Passively accepting that a lack of change in the AAA industry will ruin video games to the point where they are all literally the same.

Neck yourself after throwing all your money into the bin.

/Thread.


A prime example of

>>383039895
Eh, in Titanfall 2's case, I think it was the marketing. Even though they had announced months after the first games release that the sequel would be on PS4, a large chunk of PS4 owners still thought 2 was an Xbone exclusive.

Their marketing manager also said that he didn't want to hype the game, I guess out of fear that it may not live up to expectations, but this speaks volumes when the most watched Titanfall 2 trailer was the Linkin Park one that showed at the VGAs. Last I heard they fired that guy too.

>>383038850
I agree completely, hell the only recent game I remember having a kinda interesting co-op was dead space 3 and that game was nowhere near the quality of the first two.

I don't know if it's the devs themselves or publishers forcing it but these progression threadwheels in everything are aid, the problem is they're so addictive. In destiny doing the nightfalls and dailies and raids turned into a job almost every week and I hated every minute of it.

I hated playing destiny but I couldn't stop until just before taken king came out and I saw they were going to demolish all my gear again.

Though having experienced it, it helps to see the obvious copy cats like the division and anthem and then avoid them.

>>383040272
Considering how badly they fucked up Halo I can believe this.

>>383036220
>>383036337
I was considering that promo, but I decided to hold off.

>>383038757
>They fixed literally all their past regressions with their sequel
>BUT FUCK THOSE GUYS THEY MADE A MISTAKE IN THE PAST SO THEY SHOULD NEVER EVER BE FORGIVEN

Didn't realize Marvel citizens posted on 4chan.

>>383036353
>When they """"balanced"""" something in destiny 1, instead of making weak stuff viable, they just applied blanket nerfs to everything else. Then they started doing what was basically "seasons", as in, for now hand cannons are gonna be fucking shit and you should be using pulse rifles, then it's the auto rifle time, then it's the scout rifle time, and so on and so forth. It's downright fucking pathetic.
Good news for you, then. With Destiny 2, Bungie has finally figured out how to balance guns on an individual basis instead of blanket balance for an entire class of gun.

>>383040198
If that was the case the industry would've been in hot water since last gen, only now are they really starting to see some titles not sell on their name alone. I still think Destiny 2 is gonna sell well because even though they fucked everyone over hard, there is still a bunch of consumers who will play it.

There's more factors to these things than "oh well i remember I didnt like how you handled the game last time so im not gonna buy the sequel even if you fixed my complaints"

>>383040752
the fact that this was ever an issue is simply mind boggling

>>383039895
>consoles (the most prominent platform for these types of games) still don't have any reliable way to refund

I think the xbone allows refunds now if I remember correctly.

>>383040227

Yeah, the guy is full of shit. Never seen so much fucking misinfo like that in a long time.

>>383040359

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/6ddmtt/turns_out_destiny_2_will_have_dedicated_servers/

This is just an example of people calling them out on their bullshit.

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>>383040449
Good on you for learning from it. Some people just don't. +1, my nigga.

>>383040890
honestly I never noticed the P2P server setup being an issue with D1 in PvE. PvP was a cancer but that would be true regardless of dedicated servers or not, so meh. If you're buying Destiny for PvP you're making a mistake.

>>383040890
>xbone allows refunds
They do? I don't remember this.

>>383040681
>you need to pay a second time for a chance at getting what you should have gotten the first time or you're being unreasonable
No.

I tried the demo on ps3 when the first one came out. Do you need to be braindead to enjoy games like this? The shooting is good meme needs to stop, F.E.A.R has better gameplay then this shit.

>>383037389
It is if you look well enough. These keys are most likely all distributed illegally in some form but it is a fact that you can get a lot of games from those sellers.

>>383041176
You do realize there was a demo that was released prior to the launch of the game?
Did you know there are people who's job it is to review and analyze video games, and its done all over the world. He;ll, some people even do it for free.
This isn't 1985 anymore. You don't have to blindly buy a videogame anymore.

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>>383040449
>In destiny doing the nightfalls and dailies and raids turned into a job almost every week and I hated every minute of it.

I am permanently burned out about the entire concept of raids in any game of MMO/MMO-wannabe due to Oryx.

I hated that fucking raid with a passion because I never felt like I was actually fighting something, but rather pulling off some retarded mini-ritual that is completely arbitrary for no fucking reason and I'm sick to death about it. It's always "keep dancing the macarena while jumping and turning counter-clockwise with only one foot while you try to balance this book on your head, sing the national anthem backwards and sticking both thumbs up your ass" instead of, you know, actually fighting challenging stuff and holding your own? Vault of Glass had its puzzles but was mostly bullshit-free. Oryx was so fucking bloated that even to this very day I simply cannot deal with any kind of these instanced raid pieces of fucking shit in any other game.

The problem with the modern game design is that they try to cockblock everything instead of letting players do things the way they see fit. Even the fucking numbers of times you can do one activity are limited, everything is instanced, padded out and risk-free. It just becomes a tiresome and extremely predictable slog that you do for no actual reason whatsoever. Why would anyone grind just so they can grind to run the same raid when they already did just fine the first time? It's pointless.

>>383040890
Best comment in the thread
>They said the reason consoles couldn't hit 60fps was because physics were calculated client side and they were CPU bound because of this. Now they are saying movement / physics are handled in their data centres?! Something smells fishy.

>>383041518
>Did you know there are people who's job it is to review and analyze video games, and its done all over the world
>he trusts game "journalism"
oh lord, you're more hopeless than I thought

>>383041096

I never cared too much about p2p as well but for PC this is an absolute must if you don't want to play with hackers 100% of the time like the shitfest that is GTA Online on PC.

>>383033603
>30 fps MP shooter

wow and I was excited about destiny 2. fucking dropped.

>>383041785
hackers in the p2e environment isn't going to do anything though - the mission progress is on a dedicated server so they can't hack drops/mission status like they can in GTA Online.

pvp is going to be a complete shitshow though

>>383041236

It actually is good though, but the modern mmo wannabe structure of the game is awful, so unless you have a bunch of friends to play with you, it can get tiresome for some.

>>383041869
it's unlocked on PC if that makes a difference to you

>>383041780
>wtf all of these people are saying that Titanfall 2 is a good game that improved and fixed all of its earlier issues?
>No! It's the children who are wrong!
Go2Bed Skinner.

>>383041518
>You do realize there was a demo that was released prior to the launch of the game?
Taking a carefully selected "best-case" slice of a game to be representative of the full product? You're joking right?
And why should I spend my time evaluating whether the dog is going to bite me a second time when it already bit me once?
>Did you know there are people who's job it is to review and analyze video games, and its done all over the world.
Yeah, you're definitely fucking with me. Reviewers are hilariously unreliable hype-mongers, and those are the ones that actually play games to begin with. Nevermind this hipster trash that only showed up because they needed a way to make their journalism degree feel valuable.

>>383042050
>Final Fantasy XV is the best FF game in the past decade
>MGS V is a complete game
>No Man's Sky is going to be great great great!
should I continue with widely held games journalist opinions that were published?

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>>383041518
>Did you know there are people who's job it is to review and analyze video games, and its done all over the world. He;ll, some people even do it for free.

You mean the same people responsible for this?

>omg guyze destiny is totally the game it was supposed to be now guyze, it's totally not the exact same shit!

>>383042047
well that certainly changes things, maybe I will buy it then. but I will definitely wait for some reviews because I dont trust these people to not fuck it up.

>>383041941

The thing is that even though I'm not a huge pvp kind of guy, I still like to go there and have some fun for a bit every so often, not to mention that there are events such as iron banana and osiris that reward you with a bunch of worthwhile shit. Now imagine the absolute joy of being killed by hackers on the 9th match of osiris.

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>>383042280
Whats with the extremities anon? Just because I listen to some journalists, doesn't mean I listen to all of them. I'm just saying, that if critics say a game is good, and the public say a game is good, then they game might actually be good I also love how you're conveniently ignoring my other points.

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>>383041598
Oryx is the reason I dropped destiny. That entire raid's design philosophy was fucking mind-numbing

>>383042280
ff12 came out in early 2006
15 is better than 13
Im going to assume they arent counting spin offs though

>>383042702
they did seem to respond to that - WoL is considered to be a pretty great raid without the Oryx bullshit

It was made by the b-team though, so who knows if they'll get to do future stuff

>>383042702

Indeed it was. I don't think I have played something this fucking bad as that raid in years. I'd rather buy mass effect andromeda at full price and be forced to finish it in one sitting than even considering doing another run of that piece of fucking dogshit.

>>383042856
Indeed they tried to go back to the vault of glass style and I thought I could deal with it since it had been an entire year since the oryx bullshit then, but nope. I really am permanently burned out on this kind of crap. During that part of the aksys fight when each player has to jump on him before he teleports and kill those colored blobs of shit and whatnot I had flashbacks of Oryx and noped the fuck out of it.

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If it's worth any consolation, Anthem will be coming around next year to serve as Destiny's most direct competition yet. If anything lights a fire under someone's ass, it's competition.

>>383043207
Except it's Bioware. Chances are it's going to be absolute shit and make Bungie even more complacent

>>383043207
>bioware
>third person shooter tacticool MP game

I'd sonner trust Destiny and I don't trust it at all.

But why is it still so popular?

>>383043332
It's Bioware's A-team that's been working on Anthem for the past four years. Blame the D-team for ME:A.

>>383043343
Admittedly, that's one of the main knocks the game is getting so far. "It's a Bioware game? Wew, don't they just do narrative RPGs?"

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>>383043207
If anything lights a fire under someone's ass, it's GOOD competition
ftfy
Bioware a shit.

>>383043462

There is literally no competition whatsoever and despite all of its shortcomings, the gunplay and lore are cool as fuck. Also because their marketing is deceptive as fuck and really knows how make the gullible retards hyped for the next overpriced DLC and even defend microtransactions for them.

>>383043556
Bioware's a-team made DA:I

The whole company is trash at this point

>>383043601
>Also because their marketing is deceptive as fuck and really knows how make the gullible retards hyped for the next overpriced DLC and even defend microtransactions for them.
God you should see Blizzard fagbois with Overwatch.

>>383043734
fucking this - at least the microtransactions in destiny are largely pointless and are off to the side rather than shoving them in your face nonstop like overwatch

>>383043734

I can imagine. I actively avoid it though because this bullshit I've seen from the destiny community is already a lifetime supply of grade A rage material.

>>383043462
As >>383043601 says, there's no real competition right now. A trend that started with Phantasy Star Online and progressed with FFXI, Destiny is the evolution of the console MMO (the Western evolution, at least; the Eastern evolution is FFXIV). Even if you look to PC for alternatives, the only game that really meshes in a similar way is Tom Clancy's The Division, and that already flopped on its ass a while ago. As well, if there's one thing Destiny gets consistently well, it's the gunplay.

>>383043920
>>383044046
The funny thing, in that respect, is that if there's anything Destiny prides itself on right now (aside from gunplay), is the community. It's an MMO-style community that cosplays, goes to a dedicated convention for their game and all kinds of shit. They make all these third-party tools to improve the game from the outside, to boot.

>>383044046
Warframe

but fuck warframe

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>>383044375
>Warframe is a F2P Destiny, but better!

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>>383043343
But nigga, you get to fly like Iron Man and shit.

>>383044521
I never said better, but it is valid competition

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>>383044267
>destiny sucks but the gunplay and "feel" of the game is great

i hear this all the time, but i have no idea why. "gunplay" at 30fps is fucking antiquated as fuck and feels choppy and unresponsive. like you're playing underwater. bf1 on console has WAY bigger maps and better graphics. still hits 60.

destiny is just a super gigantic piece of warm shit designed to get little kids to bleed their parents' credit card.

i was in a shop one day and i overheard a father buying a copy of the game for his son. the son was tugging on his dad's arm, telling him that he needed to buy the expansion too, or he wouldn't be able to play with his friends. the father looked at the clerk quizzically, and the clerk just nodded. "that's bloody robbery," exclaimed the father.

it boggles the mind that people over twenty get excited for this drivel. fucking terrible game.

>>383045192
I'm calling bullshit because each time they released an expansion it came bundled with the base game in physical form

>>383044267
>the community. It's an MMO-style community that cosplays, goes to a dedicated convention for their game and all kinds of shit. They make all these third-party tools to improve the game from the outside, to boot.

Yup. This is actually what I meant when I said Bungie and Activision know well how to market this game because they keep pandering to this and fostering this community. I genuinely believe they have a bunch of astroturfers at places such as the game's sub that keep posting IRL stories and how Destiny has helped them because I have seen this kind of fucking bullshit far too many times. I'm talking about ridiculous bullshit like this one time when I remember seeing a guy saying how Destiny prevented his suicide or another one saying that Destiny repaired his marriage. It just reeks of sheer fucking bullshit but keeping up this farse of an extremely upbeat and positive community through stealth marketing lures a LOT of people. I mean, we're in the day and age where people throw massive fucking tantrums because some random guy called them a noob in some random competitive game, so of course a place like this sounds appealing to these normies. It's only community I know that keeps praising bungie for the most fucking ridiculous shit on an hourly basis as well.

I mean, yeah, there are retarded fanboys everywhere shilling for free but in this day and age it'd be naive that part of this shit isn't the actual real deal, aka paid astroturfing. The marketing budget of these games FAR surpass their own development one, after all.

>>383045332
i bought destiny after house of wolves came out and it didnt come with the game.

fuck off, fanboy.

>>383045192

Gunplay mechanics has nothing to do with FPS. It will always improve with a higher FPS but its mechanics have no correlation to it whatsoever.

>>383045674
I dunno, you see the same shit in Warframe and DE doesn't have enough money to keep that up

There's something about this style of game that brings out the fucking crazy fanboys that will defend the stupidest shit to the death

>>383045851

I'm not familiar with warframe's community so I wouldn't know.

>>383045332

This is not true. The first time they did such a thing was during the taken king.

>>383046073
It's like Destiny, but significantly worse.

Warframe is basically a F2P Destiny (with some major mechanical differences but the core idea is the same, plus Warframe came out first) and has all the bullshit that comes with F2P

>>383045742
>>383046172
I got tripped up by "expansion" - Bungie didn't start calling things expansions until Taken King to get around the season pass not including them. Yes, if it was before Taken King that could have happened

>>383046215
Dont forget the constant, 'give me your money deals'.

>>383045819
no correlation whatsoever. right, that's why 30fps feels shitty and 60 doesn't. people say destiny "feels" great, but it doesn't

i understand what you mean that the mechanics and frame rate are different, but it doesn't matter in the end, because 30fps on a FPS is just bad in this day and age.

>>383032253
This fucking thread again? fucking summer

I really liked Oryx

>>383046395
Honestly on console I'm not bothered by 30fps nearly as much as I am on PC. Dunno why, but I'm not. As long as framerate is steady I don't care as much. Maybe it's because it's halfway across the room rather than being right in front of my face. Or because I'm using a controller which has always inherently felt laggy compared to KB+M.

30fps on PC would be unforgivable though.

>>383032253
It's a sequel of course its the same game.

This one might actually have a story though.

>>383046747
don't hold your breath

>>383032253
Having the same UI is really depressing, its basically a new DLC for Destiny

>>383046395

Dude, you're playing it with a fucking controller. 60 fps is nowhere even fucking close to a requirement when playing with a controller because a stick is not even close to being as precise or as fast as a mouse. Sub-60 fps on a mouse feels jerky as all fuck, but with a controller it doesn't.

You even mentioned battlefield and I can tell you I have both destiny and battlefield 1 here and Destiny's gunplay feels much better because the weapons are FAR more interesting, customizable and varied. They did a really good job in the sense that if you take two of the same weapon kind, they will feel vastly different, instead of them being a recolor of one another.

It is very satisfying. Anyway, arguing about this is pointless because you'd have to play it to feel it, which you will be able to during the PC beta next month.

>>383046947
the UI was one of the few things that didn't need fixing though

>>383047037
>They did a really good job in the sense that if you take two of the same weapon kind, they will feel vastly different, instead of them being a recolor of one another.

Actually, even when compare the same weapon to another one with different perk rolls they actually feel very different to the point that one can be considered trash and the other can be considered top tier material.

>>383046626
APOLOGIZE

>>383047037
>which you will be able to during the PC beta next month

dont you have to pre order for that? i'm not buying destiny 2. fuck that. i played destiny 1. never again.

and i dont agree about your controller statements. i play a lot of games on pc with a controller: dark souls, tomb raider, platformers. i notice the frame rate as soon as i start moving the camera. the difference is massive. just hold sideways in destiny and look at the horrible motion blur and choppy panning. it's awful.

>Same classes
>Same enemies
>Same animations
>Same graphics
Makes sense that are making a new one. Gotta milk the retards as much as possible

>>383047692
>dont you have to pre order for that?

I'm not sure. I think the people who preorder will only get early access to the beta.

I'm not saying that there isn't a massive difference between 30 and 60 fps regardless of your input method, what I'm saying is that 30 fps with a controller is tolerable, whereas with a mouse it's downright unplayable.

>>383040228
They only did it because of how popular it was to dick around with the black ball in D1

>>383047692
I think pre-order is just early access
but even if you did, just cancel the preorder after getting your access code

>>383047831
it's not the same enemies though....
the E3 demo had completely new types of cabal soldiers

agree on the rest

I got this game for free when I bought my gtx 1080. I am never even going to play it lol

>>383049251

Sell it then.

>>383049251
Gibe me free plox

>>383049419
Idk where to sell a code at :(
I'd sell it for $45 I guess

>>383050089
going rate is $30-$40

>>383050290
but i thought it wax a $60 game lol

>>383050581
secondhand keys carry risk, plus with preorders it's like a $48 game 1st party, so if you're buying something now $48 is the real going price

>>383050683
alright, i'll sell it for $45, can you tell me where to sell my key?

I never played the first destiny because no console

have ps4 now

should i get 2

is it fun

>>383050920
literally any key resale site - g2a is the largest

>>383050969
>should i get 2
>is it fun
How the fuck would anyone know that about a game that isn't out?

The first was alright - I picked the complete edition up for $40 and feel like I got my money's worth. I would have been mad if I paid the full $140 for it though.

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>>383032253
>season pass before the game is out
I don't think they learned anything and they're just gonna fuck everybody over like they did with the first game

>>383051750
>season pass before the game is out
literally every AAA game with planned DLC does this now

>>383051824
that doesn't make it okay t

Not familiar with this series but Im interested

Can someone describe its gameplay? It kinda seems like an MMO, from what people are saying

>>383051959
It does though. Retards love that shit

I thought the game was 100usd for you burgers too
Its a little over 100 in my currency in the bnet launcher, and just the standard edition

>>383051982
Cross between Halo and borderlands for PvE
PvP is shit and is like a bad COD

>>383040363
If I like them, why should I give a fuck that they're all the same? The only people getting pissed off are the weaboos and MUH WAIFU dildos like you, so seems like a win-win to me.

>>inb4 normie

>>383050979
can i do it on reddit somewhere?

>>383052375
fuck if I know

>>383052259
The pve doesnt sound too bad if you like to loot/grind. Is the single player totally single like an fps, with optional co-op like dark souls, or mandatory shared online areas like an mmo?

>>383052516
there's three types of pve activities:
1.) missions: these can be solo'd and almost seem designed to be. You can also bring 2 friends if you want but not mandatory, no matchmaking

2.) strikes: these aren't meant to be solo'd (they can be cheesed but that's not the intended way to play), you play with two other people and there's matchmaking

3.) raids: require 5 other people (some you can get away with a few less, but they're meant for a party of 6). D1 has no matchmaking for raids. D2 will have matchmaking, but only for the easy difficulty.

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>>383052830
but matchmaking means it'll be ok if i have no friends, right?

strange that its only for easy though

>>383053186
Yes, but the best gear only drops from the hard stuff, so if you want to do endgame looting you need to find friends. There are websites for that though (like literal websites to find parties because Bungie dropped the fucking ball).

Bungie insists that to do the hard content you need people who want to work together and random parties would be too frustrating due to trolls/retards, but it's honestly bullshit and they should give the option. You'd know what you're getting into if you chose it.

>>383043556

Anthem will do poorly simply because they are a CRPG dev. making a non-CRPG game. If Bioware's core fanbase of CRPG players rejects it, the game will be a flop.

>>383053186
>>383053431
Also, this is the main reason I'll probably get D2 on PC. I'd actually rather get it for PS4 because it really is more of a console game in terms of playstyle, but no one I know has a PS4 so I have a better chance convincing others to play on PC than I do on PS4.

>>383032253

So you mean every single Nintendo game then anon?

The worst is the Destiny drones/shills claiming "ITS GOOD NOW" even though you literally had to rebuy the game you shill.

OP is just as stupid as the people buying this game for thinking it would be different.

>>383032253
What about

Super Mario Galaxy 2 (same animations. big/small changes to make the game better with more content)
Majora's Mask (same reason above)

WTF THESE GAMES WERE 60 DOLLLERRRRRSSSSS

>>383034726
That other anon clearly didn't even play the first game.
Classes have been remade and there are new classes
The weapon system has been completely redone (Google it)
There are new weapon types.
And of course there is completely new content.

>>383053480
I suppose that's what you get when you pigeonhole yourself for so long. That said, I'll give it at least some marginal attention to see how it's coming along. I didn't jump on the Destiny train like everyone else, so I'm willing to see how things pan out and keep an open mind.

>>383054774
Only 3 new classes, the other ones got slight touches. Not a single new grenade yet, and no new melee abilities yet.
Also the Arcstrider looks pretty much the same as Bladedancer without the invis part.

No new elements, only one new button to press which only has option A or B and isn't affected by subclasses

>>383035501
This is what I don't get about these people who complain that it looks the same.
The gunplay was great.
The animations were great.
The UI was concise.

And honestly, if it is just a dlc with the quality of year 2-3. What's the problem with that?

The people who bitch and complain clearly haven't played the first one.

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>>383034449
You are a genius deal hunter anon, where do you find this stuff out?
Teach me the ways of saving $$$$$

>>383055628
skillllz
I found it on reddit

>>383055558
You should atleast expect them to make the new classes have new grenades and melee, but they literally just have most of the same passives as the respective element from the first game.

>>383055843
Subreddit?

>>383056324
gamedeals

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just because there isnt optical much difference, its not a new game for you guys?
this thread is full of bullshit.

where are the splatoon 2 threads then?
so many threads missing :c