Developing on the Nintendo Switch is a struggle, according to

>THQ Nordic
and?

>>382997750
>they can't even port a 2D game because of how shit the """console""" is

>>382997750
>and
The switch is garbage

>>382997628
sounds like bullshit
every other dev said it was pretty smooth

>One of the games they ported, Battle Chasers, a 2D turn-based RPG, was a 'challenge'

Oh come on.

>>382997920
Bullshit

Have you thought that maybe, just MAYBE, THQ Nordic are actually... a bunch of hacks?

>unity
And no one was surprised lol

Sonybros not even once

>>382997889
>they can't even port a 2D game because of how shit they are
fixd

>>382997920
>>382997936
>>382997981
It can never be nintendo's fault right ?

>be dev
>can't be bothered to port a 2D rpg
>whatever I'll just say the switch is too weak
Pretty smart of them I must say

>>382997889
so what you're implying is that this 2D game is more demanding than Mario Kart 8?

It's actually not because of the power but because it is a clusterfuck of a system

>>382998089
it can never be the developers fault right ?

>>382998089
It's always Nintendo's fault right? Right?

Seriously how can you excuse the devs for this one? MK8D is 3D and runs at a smooth 60. They have literally NO EXCUSE

>>382997628
SO, you posted the same article in another thread and got btfo, so you try your luck again?

You must be a pretty damn upset autist

>>382998101
Nah, it's the clusterfuck of an engine that is unity. Switch is relatively less of a clusterfuck than the Wii U, given it runs on modern x86 architecture

>>382998098
>mario kart
>demanding
wow

>>382997970
Black sony fan

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>>382997628
NINTENDO BTFO

But in all seriousness did anyone not see this coming? The Switch is the Wii U 2.0 Except this time people actually fell for the gimmick

>>382998231
>2D turn-based RPG
>more demanding than mario kart
Wow, you sure are desperate to excuse the devs. Why?

>>382998253
NOOO you can't say that, it's the dev's fault it's never nintendo i swear

>>382997628
>it's one of those "nintendo fans dismiss every developer that has a problem with Nintendo and then complains that they didn't support the system later years down the road after they didn't support them" thread

>>382998253
The Switch is the Wii 2.0 Except this time with more weeb games

>>382998253
>it's the wii u except people bought it
So...it's not the Wii U?

>>382997628
>literally who dev complains that new tech is too challenging for their outsourced pajeets

wow made me think

Steep by Ubisoft is on the brink of cancellation too cus they can't get it running well enough.

Nintendo actually have stepped in to try and salvage it apparently.

>Not being able to run at even 720p30

This fucking hardware man.

>>382998163
To be fair, Nintendo is pretty notorious for bad documentation and support on their systems and being more open about the system with 1st party developers under them.

That was part of the reason why a lot of 1st party games on the N64 looked pretty damn great, and 3rd party stuff looked a lot more ass.

>>382998089
Maybe when every other devs had no problem (outside of porting huge console games, Switch is still a portable console), then that might not be Nintendo's fault.

>>382998391
source for reason

>>382998360
>wii u
No 3rd party games , therefore nobody bought it past launch window
>switch
no 3rd party games therefore nobody will buy it past launch window when people start getting tired of zelda 24-7 and rehash city

>>382997628
Literally zero relevant games.

>>382997889
>blaming the tool
lmao

>>382998457
So what? Even Disgaea, another 2D rpg that features far more enemies on screen at once runs okay on the switch. I really see why they can't port it besides unity and laziness.

Then again another unity RPG is on the switch

>Nippon Ichi Software president Sohei Niikawa participated in interviews with both 4Gamer and Famitsu. In talking with both sites, he discussed Disgaea 5 Complete and Switch development.
>First, on 4Gamer, Niikawa touched on porting from PS4 to Switch. Regarding that, he said the difficulty varies depending on how each studio approaches development. It was relatively smooth for Disgaea. There was nothing NIS had to downgrade, and he noted that even in portable mode, the experience still remain same as PS4 version.
>On Famitsu, Niikawa explained why Disgaea 5 was chosen as NIS’ first title. Since it’s the company’s debut game on Switch and at launch, they felt it would be a big hurdle to bring out something completely new. A project was therefore chosen which would be smooth to port, and NIS thought it would be better to release its key product.
>Aside from that, Disgaea 5 was originally exclusive to PlayStation 4 and you can play it with Vita using Remote Play, but it wasn’t really a game for a portable device. However, NIS received many requests to port it to Vita. But if there was a Vita port, it would be necessary to downgrade the game. Since there has been high demand for Disgaea 5 to be on portable device, porting it to Switch would be a way of satisfying Nippon Ichi’s customers and fulfilling their demands.
>Famitsu further questioned whether porting to Switch went smoothly. He reconfirmed that this was the case. There weren’t any issues with the hardware, and no downgrades were made.
>When asked if NIS will make more games for Switch, Niikawa responded with a solid yes. The company won’t just make a game for launch and call it quits. Niikawa asks gamers to look forward to an announcement in the future.

really makes you think

>>382998352
>>382998391
Not to bring up console war faggotry, but the PS3 actually was a clusterfuck with it's architecture. But devs didn't seem to have a problem with that.

it's just a bad idea to try to port games with hardware this asymmetrical idk why they would complain when going this was readily apparent before they even got to the the devkit.

>>382998560
but this isn't a PS4 thread.

>>382998520
https://mynintendonews.com/2017/06/30/ign-france-says-steep-for-nintendo-switch-is-in-trouble/

The full source and interview is in le french

friendly reminder your 1080ti is holding back video games
get better hardware fags

>>382998545
>nobody will buy it past the launch window
Isn't the launch window already over? And isn't there Pokemon next year? Do people still believe the shit they spew?

>>382998098
Why don't Neptunia look like Horizon Zero Dawn? Is it because anime is more demanding?

>>382998609
D-DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW

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So where did all those third parties go, Nintenbros? I thought you said you guys were gonna get Dark Souls and all those other third party games? So where are they?

Or maybe they're all jumping ship after seeing what a flop the hardware is and realizing they can't put any of their games on it without severe downgrades and stupid hardware gimmicks, just like the WiiU.

Boy, I bet you all feel real stupid falling for the same, exact 'omg lookit all the third parties who're gonna be putting games on it!' trick a second time, huh Nintenbros?

>>382998647
Yes? I read it, they said nothing about power. Is that part your fanfiction or something?

>>382997628
>It's a bit sad that Nintendo isn't using a 2023 chipset for their 2017 console
What kind of fucking spaghetti code does that game run on?

>>382997628
Didn't these guys go bankrupt?

>>382998089
Nintendo does some stupid shit sometimes, but when every other dev is gushing about how easy it is to work with the Switch hearing one say it's difficult makes one skeptical.

>>382998619
Considering ports to the PS3 either didn't happen (rarely) or were blatantly inferior to their 360 versions (very common) for a good chunk of that generation, I'd say they did have some problems.

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>>382997628
this has (almost) always been nintendo's strat. Pump out shit hardware and make up for it thanks to programming expertise and mastery of the system.

>>382998712
>people still demand every single game to be out in 4 months
Wew lad. By the way every single developer listed for the Wii U list released something

Also
>switch
>flop
LOL

>>382998609
NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T POST THAT!!! MODS MOOOOOOODS

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>>382998609
that really activates your almonds
I should get D5 for swithc sometime just to support them

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>>382998665
But anon, i don't have a 1080ti.
It's still a geforce!

HAHAHAHAHA NINTENDOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!1! GET FUCKED LMAO LOLOL XD

>>382998712
Why are you so assblasted?

>hurr durr nintendo doesn,t get all the game instantly it,s dead huuuuuurrrrr durr

How quickly the sony niggers start talking after 3 years of drought. Must be afraid

>>382998609

>jap developers can do it
>western devs can't

>Jap games are good
>western shit isn't

Is there some sort of correlation here?

>>382998609
Literally a unity issue.

The unity switch build is brand new and has tons of bugs. Mr.Shifty Devs had trouble even making a patch because unity has bugged file sizes when exporting to switch formats so a 300mb patch turned into 4gbs

>>382998763
Nordic bought the THQ assets and branding, then renamed themselves a few months after.

>>382998817
yea. western shit stays on pc where they dont have to optimize anything. let the fans do it

>>382998784
>shit hardware
It's like the best chip on the mobile market save for overpriced chips like the snapdragon. The X2 only offers power efficiency over the X1

>>382998763
Almost I think?

Ah yes THQ nordic

Well know for excellent games such as...?

>>382998832
>unity
People still use that engine although it's shittyness is documented? Is it cheap or something?

>>382998731
What possible reason would they have problem porting it other than the system can't handle it?

>>382998781
I'm not saying that problems didn't happen, anyone who played Bayonetta was fully aware that they did. It's more of an admission people didn't want to make that the console was super shitty for devs.

It was quite obvious that the Switch simply lacks the power for non-indie multiplat titles. I guess everyone here remembers how Metro was supposed to be ported to the Wii U back then but the developers gave up because Nintendos hardware simply wasn't strong enough. Nothing about that changed.

>>382998943

Cheap and you don't need to be good to make something decent

But the catch is you can't make anything better than decent

>>382998950
No one is interested in steep, so they don't bother. That isn't the first reason that came to you? Steep is already a flop on other consoles

>>382998937
They patched a decade old ARPG. and hmmm... i dunno

>>382998738
>tablet using a chip from 2013
>nintendo isn't using a chipstet from 2023
What the fuck are you talking about retard?

>>382998943
>Is it cheap

It's free lol

>>382998943
>I don't know anything about unity
good to know.

>>382997628
Development for Switch isn't a struggle. Porting to it is, since it's a weaker hardware.

Saying this before people start shitposting too much

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>>382997628
>One of the games they ported, Battle Chasers, a 2D turn-based RPG, was a 'challenge'.
?
even the sega saturn could probably do it

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Even compile heart game has better graphics than all games that is released on switch

What the fuck happened to Nintendo?

>>382999029
free*

>>382998781
>Considering ports to the PS3 either didn't happen (rarely)
In the first one or two years after that the system started to receive ports of games they missed as well as the regular multiplats with barely any complaints from developers despite the low quality of the games compared to the Pc/360 versions.
Hell there are developers that lost a lot of money making games for it and still nothing like this.

>>382999051
>>382998609

>>382999007
I unironically was interested in Steep.

You can't just say nobody cares about a game every time the switch is too shit to run it m8

>>382999005
>non indie
This game is a fucking 2D rpg, it's as indie as it gets

>>382999025
Better chips are too expensive I guess, and the X2 only gives more power efficiency

>>382999085
>that ground texture

>>382999117
No it was a flop once it released on other consoles. EA thinks the porting cost is not worth the money, since it will most likely be a flop on the switch too. Simple, or are you too stupid to look beyond your own interests?

>>382997628
>Battle Chasers, a 2D turn-based RPG, was a 'challenge'.
>unity shitfest is a shitfest
>but muh switch

>>382998793
Do it.
With the DLC included it comes out cheaper than on PS4.

>>382998140
nintendo has a history of making developing for their consoles intentionally harder for 3rd parties

>>382999117
You are unironically a fucking anomaly. It sold under a million worldwide.

You are to videogame taste as to scat is to porn

>>382998781
two fairly different markets with limited overlap kinda of made ports not worth as much back then.

I'm speechless........this surely will be the straw that finally breaks Nintendo's back.......it has been a pleasure gentlemen but I cannot foresee a successful console without our dear friends from Nordic THQ.

>>382999251
I doubt they do it in purpose

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these are the minimum requirements for this "really demanding" 2d rpg
>>382999251
except a lot of 3rd party devs said the process was smooth and easy

The switch probably will get a bunch of third party support given how well it is selling, if compared to things like the Xbone.
But it will only do so when gets advantageous to port games for it instead of using the programmers for something else, which probably will be around the 6-8 million consoles.

But it became clear that everyone was expecting the Switch to bomb horribly.

>>382999005
>It was quite obvious that the Switch simply lacks the power for non-indie multiplat titles.
Which is why it currently has several of those games either out or on the horizon with playable builds, right?

Europeans are just shitcunts who don't want competition for their fifastation 4

>>382997628
Since Nintendo can't get their heads out of their asses maybe all the other developers should directly call out how fucking incompetent Nintendo hardware is.

>>382999372
What the fuck man unity??

>>382997889

The console is getting just about every 2D/2.5D game under the sun.

It's not the hardware.

>>382999275
>You can't want a game and you have shit taste if it sells less than a million units

>>382999251
>nintendo has a history of making developing for their consoles intentionally harder for 3rd parties
They have a history of being a bit tyrannical but their systems have always been fairly easy for third parties to develop for.

>>382999453
>this is what sony ponies actually believe

Man, being a retard must suck. At least you are too stupid to be aware of yourself

>>382999453
Have you even seen the game in question. Someone here is incompetent and it is not Nintendo

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>>382999152
>that ground texture

>>382999453
>>382998609

>>382999085

Compile Heart is considering making/porting a game to the Switch though.

>>382999563
they look similar in quality, but one is a game made for the Wii U

>>382999382
this is what I was thinking. Is that no one was bothering because they thought it would tank and it didn't so they got caught with the pants down trying to cold start the development cycle Where as if they would have had even a modicum of faith and started making software when it would have been opportune they could have make bank

>>382999505
Nah, i'm saying that steep is a game that most people don,t care about, or else they'd have bought it when it released half a year ago.

Again, the scat porn analogy. Just because you like unusual, shit things doesn't means that other also do.

>>382998817
Western devs spends too much time coding engines whenever they make a new game, then when a new system comes along and they can't make it perform sufficiently, they blame the hardware for being too weak. It's like when Microsoft blamed ARM for being too weak to run Windows with its layers and layers of abstractions, that they have to change a lot of things. Meanwhile Linux ran on it just fine for decades.

Meanwhile, Jap programmers just start from an empty project, importing existing codes as needed, coding as close as they can to bare metal. Less layers of abstraction means less things to debug when something goes wrong.

>>382999384
So the Switch got a not downgraded Fifa? The Switch got Battlefield, Call of Duty? The Switch got crap that only demands technology from 10 years ago like Disgaea 5 or I am Setsuna, that is correct and yeah if you are happy with that good for you.

>>382998609
>Famitsu further questioned whether porting to Switch went smoothly. He reconfirmed that this was the case. There weren’t any issues with the hardware, and no downgrades were made.
THQ BTFO

>>382999531
>nuh-UH ur dumb lol
Good to know your debate skills match your mental age level

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>make games for current gen
>have to make a dedicated team to work with 7th gen hardware if Switch is going to have games

>>382998778
>but when every other dev
What every other dev? I don't know if you noticed, but the switch has fuck all third party games.
No one's porting shit, so where can I find all these devs saying how easy it is?

>>382998609
>here was nothing NIS had to downgrade

lol those bull shit
If there is NO downgrade, why is it 720p/30fps? PS4 version was 1080p/60fps

>>382999292
Super wrong. Super, super wrong.

It was all about the Cell, AKA Sony's biggest mistake of the seventh gen. The cell is why games developed for the 360 or PS3 were much less likely to cross over, it was just way more work than usual to develop for the other once you'd developed for one.

This is also why PS3 emulation is in shambles and why the PS4 has no backwards compatibility- no cell is a no-go.

>>382999709
Or don't use Unity? See >>382998609

Protip: "underpowered" is the politically correct for "unprofitable".
Wii got a bunch of really retarded way out of its league ports because well, it was profitable, even with the power gap between the Wii and PS3 being a lot wider than the one between the switch and PS4 (i'm not implying that the switch is "almost the PS4 power" here, it's not, but the gap between the Wii and PS3 is abysmally large, with shit like having 10 times less memory to work with, not supporting pixel shaders, CPU being 10x slower etc..)

Companies are on this for money, not for your feelings, not for your favorite console.

>>382999117
>switch is too shit to run it
That's not the issue with Steep. Its the online nature of it that's causing problems.

>>382997628
>Several Jap devs getting their multiplats up and running on Switch
>Even the big assholes like fatlus and capcom can port their games onto it
>Western dev can't even port some 2D game and get it to run on Switch
I'm starting to think that this is less a problem with the hardware and more about how developers program their games. I mean it didn't seem to be as big a problem with the Wii because even with the shit hardware in that countless western devs were putting good games on it like Red Steel 2 and No More Heroes, did something happen to the collective knowledge of the industry since the beginning of the current generation?

>>382999698

I'm not debating you. God, that would be awfull

You being a retard is just an observation. Sorry it hurts your feelings.

>>382999732
1080/60 docked nigger

>>382999732
it's 1080p 60fps though
(except in portable mode where it's 720p because of the screen)

>>382999732
Because the system is 720p when portable? Duh.

>>382998793
Purchase the jp version

>>382999779
No more heroes isn't western. wtf is wrong ith you

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>>382998712
The companies that have yet to dip their toes in the Switch were waiting to see if it would actually sell or not
Guess what:
It did.
By this time next year Nintendo will have a sizeable library as well as countless upcoming titles for the Switch
Just watch.

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>>382998789

>>382999873
for what purpose? english game has jp voices too

>>382999750
I'm sure that's why the sales figures for not only the consoles themselves but the games were very different in the west . Apart from stuff like CoD and Skryrim.

>>382998597
>fuck why is this blunt chisel chipping the fuck out of my sculpture
You are retarded.

>>382999970
NISA is the opposite of cool and the game was a launch title in JP as opposed to later on over here.

>>382999856
It ran 720p/30fps both mode

>>382999989
>>fuck why is this blunt chisel chipping the fuck out of my sculpture
>oh wait, it's because I have no idea how to use it!

>>382999976
Oh, misread your post, I thought you said that there were very few ports because of that.

Fuck, my bad, sorry.

>>382999709
Actually, the picture is weirder than that.
A 7th gen team would completely get their asses handed by the switch, because for all intents and purposes, it is an 8th gen hardware, but a really, really slow one.
What you want is an 8th gen programming team, 8th gen texture artists but 7th gen 3D modelers to use the switch well.
This is why the fifa for example is using the ignite engine, instead of a PS3 engine or the frostbite.
It is an 8th gen engine, developed for the PS4/Xbone but lightweight as fuck.

Also if you want to know the final result of trying to use a 7th gen engine on the switch, ask DQ.

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>>382998609
>Western devs in charge of anything

>>383000019
nope

>>383000019
You do realise people here actually own the game right?
Can't lie your way out of this one

GRAPHIXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

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There's no excuse for a 2D RPG not to run well on Switch when Has Been Heroes, a first month game, runs perfectly even in handheld mode. I wish Has Been Heroes was selling better because it's a genuinely good and challenging game with responsive and equal support from the devs on all platforms.

>>383000049
See >>382998609

>>383000015

Switch had Zelda at launch, which is more popular in the west than east.

>>383000154
Looks like garbage, mate.

>>382999989
It's more like
>why is this chisel cutting my hand? I thought the sharp end was safe!

can we beg redhook to make a darkest dungeon port rather than this crap.

european games dont sell in japan

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>>383000113
>Despite what we expected, the game somehow looks worse than its PlayStation 4 counterpart. While in portable mode the game runs nicely at the Switch’s native resolution of 1280×720, however when docked the resolution remains at 720p
http://www.ricedigital.co.uk/disgaea-5-complete-review-switch/


Where is the source for 1080p/60fps?

>>383000154
How much is it in Brit bucks?

>>383000307
to be fair japan also makes a ton of games that never get translated or even work with other regions systems

>>383000319
#rekt

>>382999732
>720p/30fps
I have the game right here. It's 1080p/60fps in docked mode, and 720p/60fps portable (obviously).

>>383000307
CDPR said Witcher 3 sold 400k copies in japan.
https://www.gamespark.jp/article/2017/05/17/73373_2.html

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>>382997628
>my development skills are lacking
>Better blame the company and hardware
>For a turn based 2d game

nothing to see here, just a dev being a lazy asshole and OP being a retarded faggot

>>382998609
Yeah it makes me thinkn why did EA went back to their previous engine to make fifa 18 on switch ?

>>383000319
you could literally just look up all the 1080p 60fps gameplay
i have the game, it's 1080p

>>383000471
No. ITS 720p on both mode

>>383000479
they're not going to put witcher 3 on the switch

>>383000597
Question, do you have the game?

>>382997628
This is the same nigga who said that the Wii U was super easy to port 360 code to.

Do not trust this man in matters related to coding and porting.

>>383000559
Get your eyes checked, nigger.

>>383000597
But it's 1080p in docked mode. I own the actual game.

>>382998227
It uses ARM. But that shouldn't matter if the devs are competent.

>>383000319
Literally who?

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http://gamingbolt.com/the-switch-isnt-powerful-enough-to-do-justice-to-our-game-a-plague-tale-innocence-dev

>>382997628
I couldn't care less about western developers. As long as Japanese developers release games for Switch I'm happy.

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>>383000231
The artstyle could have been better, yeah. The gameplay itself is perfect though beyond a few bugs they've been fixing.

>>383000336
20 Brit bucks to download although I've heard it's being sold for less physically at Gamestop in several countries.

The game is almost 100% casual filter.

Ah yes, "i-it's hard to develop for... you see..." the classic cop-out. Any developer who bothered porting 360 games to the PS3 before the PS3's popularity surged who says this about Nintendo systems gets a big fat "F-, you didn't even try" from me.

>>383000164
Exactly.

I bet a K6-2 300 Mhz with an Riva TNT 8MB can run this game at full speed in 1600x1200 as long you code the game in C.
And the switch is literally hundreds of times faster than the configuration above.

>>383000693
I think it's more about publishers being willing to pay competent devs.

>>383000676
>everyone with the game says it's 1080p
>dev says it wasn't downgraded
>1 literally who developer says it's 720p
>"get your eyes checked"
hmmmmmm

>>383000680
if you think its native 1080p,you are just a blind
tons of reviewer and players said it runs 720p on both mode

>>383000758
>20 Brit bucks to download although I've heard it's being sold for less physically at Gamestop in several countries.
Maybe I'll grab a £15 card to go with that 8 I have on my account then.

>the hardware should have been beefier

its a fucking handheld

>>383000717
>they literally didn't even try
Well if that doesn't show you the state of western devs then nothing will

>>383000962
Now it's a handheld, interesting

>>382997628
Repeat of the Wii U.

So when will 1D games be invented since apparently 2D is too much for the switch?

>>383000896
Maybe the game got an update?
Need to check for that shit nowadays.

>>383001004
It is now that mainline pokemon is coming on it

>>383000896
>tons of reviewer
There's literally one reviewer saying as such anon and it's the no name you posted.

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>>383000872
You think this game is 1080p? right?

>>383001004
Well, it is. It's a handheld that can display on your TV sort of like the PSP2000, etc.

>>383001004
The sales are doing good?
Not compared to the DS/3DS/PSP

The resolution and frames are good?
Not compared to the PS4/Xbone/PC

Whether it's a handheld or console depends on what comparison will make it look worse.

>>383001042
What? switch is a full fledged console, not a WIi accessory.

>>383000903
Just a tip that'll really help out:
the Rogue's default spell can stack and will multiply the next attack's number of hits by 2 for every cast. This is can be an extremely valuable skill against bosses.

>>382999732
>needing 60 fps for disgaea
You are a loon.

>>383001097
OH okay so that's why it's called the switch you can change your argumentation depending on what pleases you, you genius Big N

>>383001156
But it IS a handheld, is the vita not a handheld now since it can output to the TV?

>>383001119

That's a great handheld mode screenshot anon. Which has been stated as 720p

What is your point here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hzOYtf2BaU&t

it actually looks better on Switch not going to lie.

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>>383001119
You think this game is 720p? right?

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>>383001042
Indeed.

>>383001221

It's a handheld if we are comparing sales. It's a console if we compare graphics. Update your shitposting notes anon.

>>383001197
Wait are you retarded? When is it ever argued as a home console besides from shitposters like you? Do you choose to believe in Nintendo although they are clearly in denial on that font?

>>383001223
Actually, the Switch always screenshots at 720p. It's dumb, but that's just how it does screenshots.

>>383001316
>comparing sales
What the fuck for? it's still early in its life

>>382998609
>>It was relatively smooth for Disgaea. There was nothing NIS had to downgrade

I'm not buying that. I have Disgaea 5 for both the Switch and PS4. When you hdmi switch between versions it's clear to see the Switch version is blurry to the PS4 version, like it's 900p to ps4 1080.

>>383001402

For shitposting, I literally just said that.

>>382998609
Port Cladun: This is Sengoku! to the Switch already you fucking nips.

>>383001119
The sprites have a limited resolution. They don't scale up when zoomed in for the combo attacks.

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>>383001119
yes

I do not understand people shitting on a new console. It's new, it's fresh there are fun games on it with a lot more coming. And it is different from other consoles so it makes sence actually owning one along ps4 and pc.
Some people really must hate games to shit on any console or "bad" game.

>>383001419
The character lines are less sharp than the PS4. It's 1080p

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>>383001314
It's eerie how similar the majority of these arguments are to what we see Switchfags spit today.

>>383001521

It's not fresh until the 21st of July.

>>383001521
The problem is not the console, if it's fun then i hope verybody can enjoy it and have fun together, no the problem is the constant console wars and shitposting

>>383001569
Should we collate an opposite one? For each time the shitposters say a game would not boost sales?

>>383001503
That looks 720p to me pham.

>>383001197
Some people considered it a handheld some considered console. I don't own one yet but I don't really care what people call it as long as i can people games on it.

>>383001524
That's what I thought when I read the reviews. But it's not. The whole game has a lower resolution look to it. It's not that noticeable when you don't have them side-by-side to compare. But when you do it's a clear difference in clarity.

>>383001672
It's a fucking hybrid

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>I-its 1080p!


kek

>its a nintendo early adopters dont have buyers remorse yet episode

>>383001693
Here>>383001224, I don't see it desu

>>383001726
yeah, its even here >>383001693, the lines are blurrier

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>>383001617
I'd like to see one of Nintendildos laughing at people who said MH would be going multiplat and coming to PS4. I'd make it, but I'm too lazy.

>Monster Hunter 5 AND Pokemon? Switch will print money!!!


Top. Fucking. Kek.

>>383001772
>its an anon is so poor he can't cough up 300 dollardedoos episode
Enjoying crash while waiting for splatoon desu senpai, sucks to be an platform warrior kek

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>>382998712
>Dark Souls
Who gives a fuck about that series anymore? All I know if that one of their slide show panels had the Story of Seasons logo on it. We're finally getting an HD game and the fact it's portable makes it even better! Maybe if we're lucky they'll grab the Neverland remnants and make a new Rune Factory as well!

I dont really understand the "underpowered" meme, most of these fags are consolekiddies wich lets remember, their other consoles are piece of trash compared to any decent pc, i dont think the switch needs fancy graphics when its 50% a portable system.

>>382998609
>mmmh a game designed for mobile in mind works witha mobile console

mmh..that..really.....almost....mmmhhhh....made me think

>>383001726
Looks like they change font thickly because resolution is lower on switch

>>383001829
What will you say once it bombs?

>>383001829
Wait is the printing money part wrong? They have pokemon, it is going to print money. Are you saying otherwise?

hell even the Wii u printed money for them

>>383001867
Blame Sony, this power nonsense wasn't really a thing until they started to use it in their marketing.

>>382998253

>Its the Wii U

>Wii U sold less and had less games in the same ammount of time
>Had even less games announced

What kind of stupid comment is this

>>383001726
AHAHAHAHA 1080p fags completely BTFO

>>383001884
>PS4 is now a portable system

>>383001314
It's so funny looking at those reactions, hitsory loves to repeat itslef

>>383001829
I've been one of those people just wanting MH to be on a TV again with a controller. My issue is whether I should get on PS4 first and buy again for PC, or just wait for PC release.

>>383001726

That's straight up different font width you idiot. It's like they decided to bold the font for the Switch.

>>383001918
>Pokemon
>just began development
>literally was just a guy saying they're working on it
>not even a logo
>2 years away
>2019, a year before Gen 9 begins and everyone is hyped for the PS5
>having faith in Gamefreak after X/Y and S/M

Truly deluded.

>>383002114
huh, NOA says it will be out in 2018 though. and why would the PS5 affect anything? They are different markets.

Seriously you seem pretty desperate to see the switch flop. Why?

>>383001726
>Switch has AA
>PS4 doesn't
What else is new

>>383002114
None of what you wrote denies that Pokémon will print money. Also funny how counting games that won't be out for years is only okay when Sony fans do it.
>inb4 b-b-but sony

>>383002114
>its pokemon

I love that there are still anons deluding themselves into thinking the Switch will fail. I mean how salty can you be?

>>383001840
>implying Im dumb enough to waste my money on a switch at all

>>383002307
>so poor that 300 bucks is money to you
Nigga I spend that in one meal

>>383002306
It's not going to sell as much as wii, but it's easily going to outsell wii u. The 100%+ attach rate with Zelda is insane. I don't reckon mario will be far behind, if at all.

>>383002306
Max salty. Watch them move the goalposts for a failure though

>>383002392
>It's not going to sell as much as wii
we'll see...

I love how anons in this thread keep telling posters who have both versions of Disgaea 5 that what they are seeing is just not true, it's just the font.

>>383002114

The worst selling mainline pokemon game as of now is Sun/moon with over 15 million, but it's set to overtake x/y soon

So pokemon is probably going to matter

>>382997628
A shoddy workman blames his tools :)

>>383002114
>just began development
No one has said that. They simply didn't want to show anything connected to it yet like Metroid, which was leaked like a year ago and Nintendo was mulling over the idea of having 3 years ago.

>>383002437
You kidding me? Wii was like fucking crazy, not even the PS4 can catch up with that shit

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>>383002373
I'm sure you do, you fat fuck.

>>383002437
They're not appealing to ipad casuals and grandma this time. The switch will definitely have a solid install base after a Pokemon release, there's no doubt there.
It'll likely stay behind 3ds sales, but that's not a bad thing.

>>383002547
Nope, I have something called a family, and friends ;)
And we eat something other than tendies ;)

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>>383002517
>15 million
Sounds about right for number of Switch's sold.

>>383002517
Pretty sure the worst is BW

>>383002579
It can surpass the 3DS if they release a switch mini for $200, and a switch pro with the X2

The 3DS was pretty poorly received at the start

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>>383000962
Sure. I mean, you are an anonymous on an anime image board. You word mean a lot more than Nintendo official statements.

>>383002546
But the switch might

>>382997628
Third party developers will always be Nintendo's Achilles heel.

>>383002663

Ah yeah that might be worse than x/y, still over 15 million right now though.

>>383002656
>someone was mad enough to make this
We shall see anon

>>383002691
>a switch pro with the X2
They're not going to do that

>>383000154
I only just started reading this thread after fucking up a run in the last zone.
Shit's great.

>>383002703
if nintendo called a cat a dog would you believe them? You would?

>>383002804
Why not, it's possible?

>>383002691
>The 3DS was pretty poorly received at the start
I was one of the launch buyers. Even the Wii U had a more exciting first year, it was that bad.
The switch is already well exceeding the first year lineup of those two, I just hope they can maintain it.

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>>383002546
PS4 will easily surpass the Wii. It only sold 101 million.

PS surpassed it.
As did the PS2 at 150+ million
PS3 almost did at 89+ million with its very rocky start (stopped counting 3 years ago, but it only JUST ended production. It didn't surpass the Wii as we would have heard, but it certainly came within 10 million of it).

PS4 is doing much better than the PS3, and expected to do PS2-like numbers. It's already at 60+ million halfway into its cycle, and sales are still ramping up. It'll certainly overtake the Wii. I guess around 110-120 million for the PS4.

>>383002738
They weren't always, they all but abandoned Nintendo and their fans with the system when the Wii came along.

>>382998609
NOOOO IT'S NINTENDO'S FAULT! DELETE THIS!!!

>>383002843
>if nintendo called a cat a dog would you believe them?
If what they referred to had the genetic makeup of both a cat and a dog, then they wouldn't be completely wrong.

>>383002887
Well it's possible, we shall see. If they release the PS5 like next year it likely won't surpass it

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>>382998098
Developers are just too lazy to optimize at all. Switch couldn't run Battle Chasers, you kidding me nigger?

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>>383001726
Yeah Its clearly ran 720p on switch. but I dont know how framerate is

>>383002373
>lol buy this garbage console because it doesnt cost alot
theres a difference between being poor and not buying frivolous shit just because you can

>>383002887
The PS4 needs another 2 models so everyone who already owns one buys it again.

We need a Slim Slim and a Pro Slim model. #4TheGamers

>>383002958
>not buying frivolous shit just because you can
What are you hoarding money for you miser?

>>383002956
It's 1080 upscaled rather than native which is why it looks slightly different anon.
Framerate is 60.

>>383002940
They won't release the PS5 next year, that'd be stupid. They're dominating the market atm, all they need to do is get a stranglehold on it by getting even MORE hot exclusives.

PS5 will likely be announced in 2019, and drop in 2020. And even then, PS consoles always retain years of support and sales well into new gens. Just look at the PS3, it outlived the WiiU, and got a ton of games well into this year.

>>383002843
If they built it themselves, sure. But then I would buy a dog and see that doesn't behave like a dog, doesn't learn like a dog and doesn't play like a dog. I would call that a fucking shitty dog. And I would wait for the next iteration to be more similar to a dog.

>>383003018
#4thebutthurt

Sumo got Snake Pass running in less than a week. No excuse.

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>>383003018
Imagine being this salty over someone else's success.
I truly feel sorry for drones.

>>383003138
Damn it, I don't like long generations really. Last gen was fucking horrific in terms of length, I want those fucks to move on so I can actually use my PS4pro to its fullest potential

>>383003239
>>383003184
How is he butthurt? The revisions will only benefit sony. Why so sensitive man?

>>383003176
>more similar
I guess making the dog 240p will do

nintendo switch is gonna be another Wii U

sales are going to plummet next year when the fanboys are exhausted and the non-converted realise that there are only 3 games.

>>383003338
Uh sure man, whatever makes you sleep at night

>>383003338
Opposed to the 1 game on the PS4. L O L

>>383003242
All Sony Generations are 6 years apart. Run the numbers. PS4 came out late 2013/early 2014. It's still got 3 years left in it. And that's fair to me. 6 years of solid support is good bank for $300 console.

Not like Nintendo where you get 4 years of support, and many dry spells within it.

>>383003239
>look mom I posted it again...

>>383003338
It's not going to be another Wii U, they've nailed marketing a lot better this time, but anyone who expects it to surpass even the 3DS's overall sales forgets about the modern-day domination of mobile gaming among casual players. I believe it will surpass the Wii U, however.

>>383001726
>>383002956
is it fun game for casual fag who enjoys fire emblem games?

>>383003426
Wii U was an anomaly in terms of support time due to its absolute failure. Usually Nintendo gens last 5 years

Also wasn't the PS4 399 at launch?

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>>383003420
>one game
Funny that. I could gave sword I bought like 10 in yesterday's sale.

>>383003483
Boy no, welcome to disgaea where you're going to fucking love grinding

>all retards general.

implying any of you even understand game dev you fuck hards.

If it cant even handle basic unity game without downgrading then it is shit.

>>383003237
jesus you fuck they didnt.Just learn what you read they ran a level of snake pass in week not entire game you stupid cuck fag.


>>383002942
Developers arent gonna make entire new versions because switch is underpowered as fuck.

how do you even know what tech behind Battle chasers you cucked fag

>>382997628
>It's a bit sad that they haven't gone out with a more beefy hardware
I question what else they would put in it that wouldn't murder the battery life..

>>383003472
3DS picked up when mobile was booming, I think it matured well enough with the mobile space dominating. I don't think much changed compared to 3 years earlier in terms of mobile demographics

>>383003375
you probably need help sleeping at night if yo're trying to convince yourself that nintendos stock isn't going to dive next year when sales dry up next year.

Never accept "WAHHH THE CONSOLE IS TOO UNDERPOWERED" as an excuse to not be able to make games for it.
That's a sign of a shitty developer.

>>382998609
NO NO NO. SHUT UP ITS NINTENDO'S FAULT THIS COMPANY CAN'T PORT A 2 D GAME

>>383001867
It is not fancy graphics.

Since no one here understand game development let me teach you a bit.

Switch on handheld mode is literally retard Wii U with battery problems.

you could run your game if it wasnt tied to handheld shit.

>>383003585
>he still believes that when Pokemon is slated for 2018
Stay deluded

>>383003542
A bigger battery for starters !!!!!

>>383003517
I only have Bloodborne and P5 on my PS4. Considering P5 is on PS3 as well, only one of those count. So desperate to pad out your library with mediocre trash so that you can say your console has more than 1 game. HAHAHA

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>>382998712
Daily reminder drones

>>383003491
$300 is an average for ALL consoles of all brands. I got my PS4 for $170, as I do with most consoles I buy. I always wait to get them cheap and with a solid library.

And no, Wii was an anomaly. Run the numbers again. It's 4 years for Nintendo.

89 - NES
93 - SNES
97 - N64
01 - GCN
05 - Wii
12 - WiiU

>>383003668
>retard wii u
It's 2x stronger though?
>inb4 raw tflops comparison

>>383003668
The battery on the Switch is fine tho

>>383003472
>but anyone who expects it to surpass even the 3DS's
Did you know its on pace to beat the 3DS's first year sale within the next month or so if it hasn't already?

>>383003746
>89 - NES
85 - NES, 83 - Famicom
>93 - SNES
89 - SFC, 91 - Super Famicom
>05 - Wii
06 - Wii

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>>383003718
Not my fault you have shit taste senpai.

>>383003746
The dates are wrong I'm quite sure

>>383003657
>all developers shitty because they dont have resources to create and optimize entire games like Nintendo doing

nigga nobody is going to care for nintendo switch alone.

if you make game in 2017 you make to be multi platform and port without hassles and shit.

console enviroments and shits SHOULDNT be hassle for developers in this age.
This is what PS4/XBOX/PC/STEAM/mobile whatever fuck its doing these days.

Developers shouldnt focus on making games work on consoles or other platforms.

Platforms should be powerful enough to play their games instantly.

All other platforms can do it easily. Its switch fault being retarded handheld.

>>383003794
91 - SNES*

>>383003762
As far as I know, that's only true in Japan, and do keep in mind the first few months of the 3DS's lifetime had a vastly inflated price point.

>>383003838
>PC/Steam
Many console ports for PC/Steam are rushed and have major framerate dips on hardware faster than the console itself.

>>383003730
I hope the person who made this image were paid by Sony. Who would put in effort like that for free?
Anyone who makes shill images for any company and are not getting paid should reevaluate what's important.

>>383003747
Handheld mode is not 2x stronger.

>>383003759
Fine for what graphical fidelity it is giving currently.

If they pushed more then battery would be shit.

they simply cant push their games more because of handheld restrictions.

>>383003538
>If it cant even handle basic unity game without downgrading then it is shit.
You do realise that's because
1) Unity is a shit engine in general
2) The engine itself has only recently been given Switch functions. Meaning its buggy as sin.
Basically it's developer incompetence for going with such a terrible engine and not waiting for a better version.

If you're going to call people out like that make sure you know what you're talking about first.

>>383003906
It is, or is it 1.5x? This is accounting for nvidia flops vs Wii U flops, ram and a more modern architecture

>>383003538
Soooooo then they got Sanke Pass running then, right? Dumbass

>>383003730
\
>better make it really small so no one looks hard enough to see ll the shovelware

This is good I'm saving it.

>>383003814
>MLB the show
It's best I don't ask to be honest.

I grabbed Nier and Berseria on PC.

>>383003538
Are u retarded

>>383003527
Ok, thanks. You probably saved me 50€.I got frustrated to grinding in Bravely Default

>>383003814
I still don't see why you people hype up GR2. It's a 60/100 game at best.

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>>383004060
Uh-huh...

>>383003838
Then maybe developers in this day and age should put some effort in their games as well as use a little common sense.

>>383004002
>REEEEEE SPORTS GAMES!!!!

move out of your parent's basement lol

>>383004156
>B-B-But Nintendo!!!

every time

>>383004181
Yes, "reee sports games". It's complete normie shit, get tastes.

>>382997628

that's not what they said you fucking faggot, they just said it was a shame it wasn't SUPER powerful because they are lazy fags that can't optimize for shit, same goes for darksiders that run like absolute ass on ps3 compared to 360

>>383003935
Unity is not shit engine you cuck blast.

Because it doesnt work on nintendo switch doesnt make it "a SHIT ENGINE "

it is easily best engine for most developers because gives best and easiest tools to create games.

many fukin great games use engine and its pretty cool.

it is not developers fault this shit even worse CPU then what is in ps4 which is netbook cpu.

>waiting for better version
nintendo should have done that and wait for tegra x2.

devs are simply not gonna care for shit console ignore it.
since fanboys are happy to pay 300$ to play only remastered ports from Wii u.

as a developer our game wont coming to switch either, it is simply impossible to remain/look good on handheld.

either we are gonna lower graphical fidelity and objects on screen, which looks absolute shit.

or drop frame rate which makes it non playable shit

or lower resolution which even is not itself enough you also have to do othershits to work.

>>383003975
Snake pass is most important game now right?

how do you even know which game is more complex , latter even didnt release it yet.

>>383003961
those are meme PR numbers.
push handheld unit moar and it gets pretty hot and battery life is shit

>>383004257
>muh weeb
lol ok kiddo :)

>>383004156
It is anon.
And it's made even worse by the sheer repetitiveness of it.

This coming from someone who decided to platinum it.

>getting a console before it has a library

Why do fan boys do this?

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>>383004243
>G-gravity Rush is an overhyped game!!
See >>383003239

>>383004278
unity's pretty shit and it's a blessing for the Switch it doesn't run on it.

>>383004173
they are putting in game itself.

no reason to put effort to cater every platform . That is useless as fuck. its not 1990 anymore.
why would anyone care for optimizing Switch when you can make entire new content for game , updates etc etc.
new game etc.

makes no sense

>>383004278
>Unity is not shit engine you cuck blast.
It's literally the worst engine out there.

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>>383002791
>They're marketing it as a handheld in Japan, though.
My favorite post is the "I don't live in Japan but here's what's happening there" kind
http://nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-talks-switch-origins-creation-going-with-one-screen-name-online-play-january-event-much-more/

>>383004278
>it is easily best engine for most developers because gives best and easiest tools to create games.
what is Unreal Engine 4

>it is not developers fault this shit even worse CPU then what is in ps4 which is netbook cpu.
yes, coding your games in a language which uses JIT and garbage collection is going to have fantastic performance. come on, at least use reference counting for a more stable execution time like apple does in their userland

>>383004345
Gravity Rush is an overhyped game, i don't see how nintendo factors in.

>>383004278
I will stop calling Unity a shit engine when every fucking unity game stops running like dogshit.

>>383004278
I wish there were a way to weaponize your autism.

>>383004259
but darksiders run 1080p 60 fps on Wii u released on last may


who is faggot now?
>argh they did nice to things to wii u
>hurr they are switch to switch
>my cuck brain confused should i hate them or love them because i am a cuckless fanboy

>>383003906
The switch power difference to the WiiU depends on what you do with it.
Basically the GPU is not faster but smarter and able to deal with more complex loads.
Zelda Botw gets almost no boost because it is basically a DirectX9 tier game, but FastRMX gets a 2x speed boost (640x720 vs 1280x720) because it uses DirectX11 tier effects, that while possible on the WiiU with a lot of kludging, is really, really slow.

Also there is a 150Mhz GPU clock mode that is arguably slower than the WiiU (unless you're fast RMXing a lot then it's a tie), but allows you to have 5 hours of battery.

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>>383004302
I genuinely haven't played it yet. I got it yesterday during the sale. It looks fun though, and it's one of many games on the console. Not a single regret personally.

You wanna talk overhyped trash though, let's talk about ARMS.

>>382997628
so you're trying to infer that everyone developing on the Switch both feels this struggle, and feels this way...hence 'the Switch is dead' again?

whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess.

Because I mean, if you took this at face value, this is one developer airing a complaint, it's not really news unless you're pushing an agenda.

>>383003517
>All this shovelware trash, ps5 games and multiplats
C'mon, anon. I don't even own a Switch and I wouldn't care about this image.

>>383003890
>As far as I know, that's only true in Japan
It's global sales beat the 3ds's 8 month mark at release.

>>383004373
Unity is easily best engine for most devs on market.

Bomberman R is also unity game , Pokemon GO is unity game ,Mario Run is unity game.

even you "PRECIOUS " fucktendo use it.

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>>382997628
Devs dont want to spend more time and resources on making their games run on a underpowered piece of hardware when they could make one version that works for Xbone, ps4 and PC.

I think what people need to recognize is that the switch isnt a home console, its a portable which you can hook up to your tv. This isnt neccesarily a bad thing (and the system is certainly doing well right now) but you will never get the big 3rd party games on the system, even if it does as well as the Wii.


The wii Did amazingly well for nintendo but had no 3rd party support because it was underpowered, the wiiu repeated that and so has the switch. The switch is a portable however so while it wont get the same games as the consoles it doesnt neccisarily need to to be sucessfull on its own merits, it fills the spot the Vita and 3ds occupied where its not compeating directly with the consoles and has no competition from the protable side.


I think the best we can hope for is a 3ds situation where we get high quality first party games in addition to lower budget third party games and the occational port from the consoles.

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arms is fun though

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and I said PLAYSTATION 3 you fucking mongoloid

Wii U had the same fucking architecture of the 360 wich IRONICALLY was where darksiders ran better during the 7th gen, holy fucking christ hang yourself fucknugget