https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frx ZKHwZzGU Is Final Fanta

9 is basically sold on the premise its a return to the old days. Even uses a bunch of stuff from 1.

4 is pretty much 2 with actual meaning and rehashing some 1 stuff.

>>382848225
9 is probably the closest in meaning, but not in execution. For example, Alexander is iconic in that game.

In 14, you they literally just put the winged Alexander from 9 as a boss fight to make it as blatantly fanservice as possible.

11 was a in similar possition, but they give it a whole new look for alexander and gave him a connection with the totally original "moblins". 14 "borrowed" 11's goblins/moblins with that lore in tact.

>Enemy in one FF game looks like an enemy with the same name in a different FF game
WHAT
HOLY SHIT
THOSE LAZY FUCKS

>>382848815
Most Final Fantasys borrow concepts and names and then redesign them for their world. Usually, story enemies, like final bosses, are off-limits.

14 is ripping models from previous games (10, 11, 12, 13, even Dissidia - which is where this Exdeath model comes from) to represent the exact same characters/same story in a recreated version of the exact same locations. It's basically crossover game tier.

Compare 14 and 11's Shinryu.

https://youtu.be/OfJRm0WssOE?t=17s

This is more or less what FFXIV's endgame and monster design is.

>>382847013
XIV is meant to basically be a FF-themed amusement park.

>>382849614
X-DEATHs

>>382847013
OwO
Who is this cutie???

>>382848712
what the fuck was Alexander's connection to moblins in FFXI? As far as I remember there aren't even moblins in Aht Urgan, and their only story relevance was digging up a statue of Promathia or something

>>382851187
The moblins from CoP are looking for Alexander. They are mislead and think Promathia is their "colossus".

Moblins are very present in Aht Urhgan and they are the brains behind the the trolls.

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>>382848225
Every FF game has reused designs as often as new

Even FF7, the one that everyone cites as the one that NO MORE OLD SCHOOL FF EVER had tons of monsters in it that were literally old sprites made polygon for the first time.

>>382851854

Not nearly to the degree of FF14. I don't remember fighting Exdeath or Shinryu in FF7. Or visiting Ivalice or Interdimensional Rift in FF13.

>>382849614
I can't blame them, Square doesn't pay them enough or give them enough manpower to actually make fucking assets. It's pretty sad.

>>382852101
I mean, you fight Gilgamesh and Shinryu in later versions of FF1.

>>382852220
In optional dungeons added 15-20 years after release of the original game. And you don't fight them in the main storyline.

Shinryu, with the exact same art design as his FFV superboss appearance, is literally the final boss of Stormblood. Gilgamesh is in the story as a side-quest rather than a weird boss fight or temporary event (worth noting it's a slightly modified version of his XIII assets).

And the storyline of FFIII was actually incorporated in the game's central lore with the Crystal Tower plot. Cloud of Darkness, Xande, etc. are FFXIV characters with almost the same storyline as in FFIII.

>>382849089
To be entirely fair, 5 is already established to be the game in which game-hopping characters are canon. If Gilgamesh can jump across titles, why can't Exdeath?

>>382852101
On the other hand,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibJcEWXVGB4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rV40ypje7o

at least there's a ton of original music

>>382847013
>Where returning to a world from a previous mainline game is a major selling point?
Uhh thats exactly what ffx-2, ff13-2, ff-13-3, and various spinoffs do?
The mainline FF is strictly nonrelated.

>completely original art design
FF1

>recreations of old sprites
The fanbase actually likes this. Fighting familiar enemies adds some continuity to the series. It'd be like if spells didn't have -ra, -ga.

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>>382852773
>It'd be like if spells didn't have -ra, -ga

>the fanwank Final Fantasy has fanwank
Really makes you think.

>>382852621
Gilgamesh tends to get a makeover. Of the games I know he appears in, he looks fairly different in FF8, FF11 (lol), FF12, and FF13-2.

Exdeath is literally a Dissidia model.

>>382852497
>In optional dungeons added 15-20 years after release of the original game.
Shinryu's the endboss of a a third storyline added five years after the core release and seven years after the initial launch. Of course, MMOs and single-player game comparisons are apples to oranges, so it's not really any use trying to justify it in either case.

I think the logic they're going with in XIV is the Dissidia idea of 3 and 5 being linked and utilizing those concepts since 5 is already the acceptable game for meta references to stem from. The Ivalice stuff is iffy, but I think that's another situation like how X and X-2 made several implications about FF7.

>>382852621
Gilgamesh was kinda established as a game hopping character since he references that himself, however Omega can basically summon whatever the fuck he wants as long as he knows about, and FFV is some ancient legend in FFXIV apparently, so Omega just summons him. Kind of a shitty cop out to just throw in whatever old FF character they want I think.

>>382852972
Exdeath is a fucking tree.
You don't redesign a tree.

>>382852773
Of course I'm comparing the mainline FF games and not the direct sequels. FFXIV was advertising "RETURN TO IVALICE" just a few months ago and that follows a fuck ton of references (including entire areas) from FFIII and FFVI. Don't be a dumbass.

>It'd be like if spells didn't have -ra, -ga.

Yoshi-P is a hack.

>>382852972
He actually does have a different design on his Mobius card. It sucks ass though.

>>382853218
XIV's lore accommodates all the lore-breaking it does, but most of it exists solely to cheat the system.

final fantasy is completely up it's own ass now. everything after 13 is just full of fucking references to references. i blame dissidia

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>>382853343
Ho, FUCK. No wonder they didn't use this.

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>>382850710
>>382849614
These

>>382853478
>after 13
They've been doing it since 4. 9 was super up its own ass about it.

>>382853478
>everything after 13 is just full of fucking references to references
>everything after 13

>>382850710
I'd call it less of an amusement park and more of a big world with Final Fantasy sprinkles.

And then after the base game came out they took the fucking cap off and started pouring the sprinkles like mad men.

>>382853726
before that it was pretty much minor creatures, chocobos and cid

now half the spinoffs are about collecting all the MCs from previous games

>>382853873
FFRK is a good time waster.

It's honestly sad to see that XIV is taking this route. Crystal Tower was one thing, but now it's two themepark raids for an expansion? The fuck? Is the original lore just that weak? 1.0 had a lot of problems, but atleast it tried to stand on it's own two feet. Yoship hasn't done shit but introduce things to please fans, rather than make the game it's own piece of FF.

>>382853961
yeah i like brave exvius too but i've slacked off on both

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Falling for the originality meme. That's why we have super buys stupid as fuck designs in JRPG. In a bid to be "creative" they slap everything on it and call it day. Stop doing this and just make something inspired, not novel.

>>382853961
>>382854123
Guess who just got Cloud's newest big dick relic on his first pull

>>382853870
Original Eorzea, for as shitty 1.0 as was, could be said one of the most original worlds in the Final Fantasy mainline. But like you said, Yoshi-P changed it. First it was slow, with a few FF7 references, then starting with the Crystal Tower, FFXIII crossover, and minions, shit went straight to 60.

Modern Eorzea is basically an equal combination of three things:

-trying to continue its own tradition (mainly with some of the primals/beastmen and the empire) and reference a few 1.0 things. Most of the game's original monster designs come form 1.0 and are several years old at this point.

-trying to make Eorzea like Ivalice or some other older Final Fantasy world, often making the old lore less original in the process.

-literally taking things from other games in their exact form (either asset reuse or making old designs 3D) and putting them into the game

>>382854038
At least the main storyline is pretty much all original content aside from the recurring summons like ifrit and shiva and etc. Zenos was an anime trope but at least he was original to ff, even if the final fight with him was a bit undercut by him merging with shinryu

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>>382853601
But it's literally Exodus from ffxii without a beard...

FFV was my favorite so I for one am enjoying Stormblood.

Who here thinks Alpha is actually Boko?

>>382854535
Speaking of which, FFXII shows how you can put past villains into your game and not make it blatant fan service.

>>382854585
>Who here thinks Alpha is actually Boko?
No one.

>>382854403
>Original Eorzea, for as shitty 1.0 as was, could be said one of the most original worlds in the Final Fantasy mainline

even 1.0 ripped off a lot from 11. Lore wise it was different at least

>>382854585
Isn't stormblood more FFVI?

>>382854645
Because Final Fantasy XII wasn't Blatant Fanservice : the Game.

>>382854764
not really. there's an empire, but there are empires in a bunch of FFs

the warring triad in 3.X was straight from ff6

>>382854764
Shinryu, Omega, Bartz minion, Syldra mount. Exdeath.

>>382854645
>>382854796
XII was pretty much the last game where the homages felt like they had some meaning.

>>382854994
The Rift in Time, Alto Raite, Halicarnassus, Catastrophe

>>382855003
What part of
>Final Fantasy XIV is entirely based on fanservice and is literally meant for fans of the series
don't you understand?
The entire purpose is being filled with fanwank.

>>382854970
I was thinking Doma, Cyan's theme, a few of the enemies, and one dungeon in particular.

>>382855338
You know Kaien is Cyan and Hien is Owain, right?
But the references to V heavily outweigh the references to VI.

>>382854718
desu it was weird seeing tarutarus who like to fuck.

the reason 14 reuses so many assets from other games is because of the time frame it was made in. they didn't have the time or money to make new assets so they used what they had.

>>382857857
that's for launch. It's two expansions in and it's only happening more often.

>>382858002
Because the XIV team realized that fans will not only let him get away with ripping models, they'll celebrate them for it, which is less time and money there and more into XV's fishing VR

>>382852121
is there any evidence of this?

>>382859758
there was some investor report thing a few years ago that showed all the sub revenue going into XV development. it's probably going into mobile now since mobile shit makes like 3x the $$ as all their MMOs put together

>>382847013
I don't care so long as the fights are interesting. Here is hoping omega 4 savage is as fun as midas 8

Is Deltascape gonna be FF5 themed or are there going to be other games?

Final fantasy is tied with SMT and Castlevania for the series which reuses the most assets in each installment

Plus, it should be noted that all three series have very few truly original characters - most are borrowed from mythology and literature, at the very least by name

This is the curse of making a series based on fantasy

>>382862576
The final boss has to be Ultima right? Don't know why they would do a different theme for the seconding group and switch back for the last.

Though it's weird that Exdeath was fought this early. Don't know what the 8th fight could do to top him.

>Game built on fan service
>Surprised there is fan service
:thinking:

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>>382854535
isn't Exodus supposed to be some kind of analogy to Exdeath anyways?

he's even a tree guy in FFTA

I think it's just a mistranslation of Ekusudesu anyways

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>>382862864
>The final boss has to be Ultima right?

Omega, probably, or perhaps a humanoid avatar of Omega. Altima will probably be the primary antagonist for Return to Ivalice.

>>382863648
Oh fuck me, that's what I meant. Omega. Ultima was 2.0.

>>382847013
FFXIV tried to cash-in on being "modern XI", even SE tried to mock XI to advertise XIV with things like the Lalafell trailer

funny how XIV bombed and got reworked into a WoW for even bigger autists

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>>382863648
and by Altima I mean the Ascian, since none of them were even relevant in Stormblood

I need some sexy ascian bitches

>>382852101
IX, XII, and XIV are throwback games get over it

>>382854514
Zenos is the third best FF villain. It's stupid to complain about anime tropes in JRPGs they're fucking anime that you play

>>382864872
nah

>>382854764
nah it's ripped off ff5

>>382854764
The Empire in VI is a throwback to II's Empire down to the overgeared baddies and magitech.

Another reason it's stupid to complain about callbacks they've been doing that shit forever

>people hate the series fan service
>they still play xiv
wew

People brought this upon themselves.
Every time they tried something original players were disinterested.
Every time they did a throwback people were happy.
Not hard to see why they would literally rather put other FF games into this one.

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>>382865103
I really enjoyed Zenos actually even if he was kind of that stereotypical "life is boring I need a challenge to feel anything"

>>382865343

You really can't tell the difference between a "throwback" and what FFXIV does?

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Guys what do we know about duskwights elezen?
During ARR I thought Gridania was the wildwood elezen settlement while Ishgard was the duskwights', but apparently both are wildwoods
Where the fuck are the duskwights coming from? And were are they now? The lore just says "urr cavemen", but I don't really think they literally live like cavesmen, can they?
Have they disappeared? Were they the ancient amdapori / mhachi civilizations we keep hearing about and are just living in their collapsed mad max-style societies of small tribes and highway banditry after the wars of the magi?

>>382863923
SB's 24m raid is fft ivalice isnt it? Maybe she'll show up there

>>382847013
>That image.

A FUCKING TREE.

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>>382847013

Why are people so fucking bad at fighting him holy shit

After their third fucking death to the same mechanic you'd think something in their peanut brain would go "gee I wonder why I keep dying but eveyone else doesn't". These people are legitimately retarded.

>>382865813
They're all bandits and hobos and shit.

>>382865813
They're from Gelmorra, another ruined city under gridania. They built toto-rak, palace of the dead, and tam-tara. Gelmorra was an underground mad max city after the war of the magi, mostly amdapor survivors most likely

>>382865496
Zenos was a villian I actually wanted to kill. He was a good villian. I'm tired of villians where I'm sitting there going I see his point. He's not so bad. That's where they fucked up with smoking lady of doma. Don't give me her backstory. Now I'll sympathize with her. Fuck

>>382849089
Shinryu looks like garbage in 11 m8
I dont know why a lazy undetailed reskin of Bahamut is supposed to be better thn a quality recreation of the real design
Especially since the implication is that it's the same Shinryu

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>>382866083
>They built toto-rak, palace of the dead, and tam-tara
Holy shit fuck these guys

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>>382866163
I'm not sure what they're going to do with Yotsuyu since Gosetsu bothered to save her.

She's not exactly redeemable despite her tragic backstory

>>382853218
You're an idiot, it's the same Exdeath from FFV, just a copy produced by Omega. The reason Nero knows their story is because he's reading about it on the terminals.

>>382866083
Ampador was HYUR
After the flood the hyurs came back to the shroud and pushed the elezen tribes in the shroud, they eventually had to hide underground because elementals were crazy.

>>382866191
are you a total retard? How is Shinryu a reskinned Bahamut? They look nothing alike beyond both being dragons.

>>382854764
A bit of II, a bit of V.

>>382866313
they clearly want her to be a waifu. She appeals to a certain population of weebfags who like the "lolsteponme" waifus, and she's a traditional japanese beauty in a way that there aren't a lot of in the game.

She might not become a 'good guy' but she'll get her redemption despite not deserving it.

>>382866372
gelmorra was hyur and elezen, duskwights are the ones that stayed underground longer

>>382853218
>MFW they use this to summon Necros
>Necron.
OUTTA FUCKIN NOWHERE.

>>382866203
there's another dungeon that was 1.0 only that's theirs too. i forget the name

>>382847013
Retard doen't even know what a model and design is

>>382866875
Exdeath's model is from Dissidia. So it's not just recycling the design/fanservice, it's polishing old assets to use as new.

>>382866372
So do I have this right

Allagans: existed way before the other societies, Xande Clone fucked up shit with the crystal tower and their civilization fell into ruin, what was left probably fucked off into space. Specialized in extremely advanced technology, Chimeric abominations and in terms of magic, were the original Summoners

Amdapori: Existed in the same era as the following two societies and were at war mostly with the Mhachi. Abused white magic until the elementals got pissed and started a great flood

Mhachi: Faggots who enslaved Voidsent and were the original black mages. Because of their abuse of black magic they also triggered the aformentioned flood

Nymians: the original Scholars, who were also in the War of the Magi but weren't as relevant it seemed. Were removed from the equation by the Mhachi who cursed them into becoming Tonberries. Ironically though they're also the only surviving society to this day.

Red Mages: not exactly a nation but were Amdapori and Mhachi who survived the flood in modern day Gyr Abania and realized hey this shit we do fucking sucks so they combined their teachings while also using only the aether in their bodies rather than around them, creating Red Magic

Gelmorrans: Duskwight who had to live undeground because the Amdapori were dicks

Belah'dians: Some egyptian themed Lalfellin faggots who can summon zombies and shit, eventually making Ul'Dah and Sil'Dih. The latter no longer exists

>>382866974
You know I'd complain about it but we'd just get more recoloured trash mobs instead anyways.

>>382867176
Allagans were before any modern Eorzean society, but the first kingdoms showed up in the first age of mankind and predate the allagan Empire. Some time after that a Calamity hit and mankind was forced underground and those societies were more or less forgotten forever

>>382867489
where exactly is Mercydia

>>382867489
Misread your post disregard I suck cocks

>>382862576
I hope they don't go too overboard with referencing other games in Omega's universe.

That would mean it has no chance of being canon material for the future.

>>382862864
Why do people constantly mention "the 8th fight"? Aren't there 12 in total?

>>382867889
The final raid fight is going to be Omega without question, so instead they speculate on the final fight in the second raid set.

>>382867889
Because the 12th and final boss is almost certainly going to be Omega, we're just wondering what would be inbetween Exdeath and Omega.

CT went from Phlegethon to Xande to CoD which makes sense given the theme was FF3. It would be weird to go from Exdeath to a less significant boss for the final fight of the second round.

>>382868053
Neo Exdeath.

>>382868223
Either that or Enui or w/e his name is. Probably both at some point.

>>382868223
Savage O4
There's an entire music track and a part of the map they didn't use in LFR version

>>382868223
I saw somebody claim that there was something datamined that suggested Neo Exdeath would be a part of O4 Savage, but I haven't see it myself.

>>382868223
this or they'll use the rift as an excuse to use another FF for the 2nd set.

FF9 plz

>>382865496
>His goals are the same as Omega's
2deep

>>382868262
Yeah. Most of V's bosses have already been done, so they're either going to cover what little bosses are left or move on to another game.

>>382868339
The trial images show different pictures for Deltascape Savage and they expressed interest in more Savage exclusive shit like Brute Justice's winged form

>>382868302
Link?

>>382868223
Neo Shinryu

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Once a franchise gets long and storie denough the idea of reusing enemy concepts from other games gains the value of also being a nod to its own mythology. And correct me if I'm mistaken, but in the case of things such as Goddess translating the concept from VI to XIV isnt as easy as just taking a screenshot of the in-game sprite and popping it into "Free Online 2D to 3D converter"

>>382868920
That may as well just be the inevitable ex Menagerie.

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>>382868920
>Thordan is braindead
>Thordan EX is a clusterfuck that's still kinda tough unsynced

>Shinryu actually requires a little thinking
>mfw the thought of Shinryu EX

>>382869018
yeah they actually did work for the warring triad

exdeath is, i'm pretty sure, a straight rip of the Dissida NT model.

and they were really fucking lazy and just used some default humanoid rigging because he bends his neck even though its a solid piece of armor

How long until it's revealed that FFXIV takes place on the same world as FFXI and they make an expansion back for Vana'diel?

>>382869369
Yoshi said it's not off the table in a recent interview. They'll probably do that after the main Ascian plot concludes.

>>382869369
it's already in game canon that they're not in the same world

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>>382869369
>go back to vana'diel
>prishe has become a ara ara~ cowtits milf queen

>>382869462
Is it? They could just have something like you get transported to an alternate dimension in which Vana'diel exists, or the two worlds are merging into one for some reason, who the fuck knows the japs will write some stupid reason.

>>382869369
Pretty sure Shantotto confirms it's not the same world during her shit. We'll probably travel to a XI world at some point since they introduced the idea that there's a lot of worlds out there.

>>382867176
Gelmora was founded way after Ampador, after the hyurs came back, after the flood.
Wildwoods are elezens that left gelmorra and founded ishgard and gridania with the hyurs, duskwights are COWARDS that chose to stay underground.

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>>382869523
>Shantotto has become an ara ara~ cowtits milf queen

>>382869654
>don't want to bother staying at the mercy of a bunch of crazed elemental spirits
>coward
sounds more like common sense desu
now gridanians have to worship them like gods to not upset them and getting wiped off the map

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>>382869738

Why is MSQ roulette always such a fucking nightmare now? Even the non-sprouts are either running around with no idea what to do, AFKing, or just running into the boss room, starting to AA and then just AFKing. Is it really that hard to just run through it, do it well and be done in 10 minutes? How is it preferable to take twice as long?

>>382870031
>still doing a roulette that will forever be two shitty dungeons

>>382870085
SE fucked up
I still don't understand why not putting them both in the leveling roulette at this point

>>382870214
because leveling roulettes are all 4 man dungeons while MSQ roulette are all 8 mans.

Isnt that the point of XIV in a way?
The the void is the way to fourteen other dimensions?

>>382870031
msq is full of jumpers subhumans.

>>382847013
Its a shame the game looks like ass. Thanks ps3.

>>382870312
What would the problem be? Guildhest roulette also has 4-man and 8-man content

>>382870085
I'll probably just stop doing it now that I've got WHM to 70, at least as White Mage I could just ignore the other healer, and both tanks and just do it all myself if necessary and still go fast, easy quick experience for 10-12 minutes. I try not to be a dick and let people catch up if they're not just sitting around watching cutscenes, but it's fucking hard sometimes.

I don't think this guy (you, OP) knows what "reuse" entails in this context. The poly count and texture work is significantly better in FFXIV in the so called "reused" assets.

WHY DOES AN MMO THAT'S FINAL FANTASY IN NAME ONLY USE DESIGNS AND CONCEPTS FROM EARLIER ENTRIES IN THE SERIES
HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>382867587

i think south of eorzea, not even the new world map shows it

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>>382870552
this, he might as well bitch that all the dragons quest games use the same enemies too.

>>382847013
>ignoring Gaeus van Baelsar, Nael deus Darnas, Zenoes yae Galvus, Regalus Hydra
Fuck off retard. These guys have been way more interesting than most mainline villains.

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Chrono Trigger/Warlords of Draenor Expansion

>Time Mage and Beastmaster (Primeval Caveman Job)
>Capital: Allag
>Hub: The End of Time (Comfy village, like a mix of CT's End of Time and the WoW's Caverns of Time)
>Lavos Raid (3 wings: Conception, Inception, Execution)
>Black Omen 24 man (In XIV it's a chronomatic anomaly, an Allagan flying fortress that exists between timelines)
>Zones: Golden Age Allag, Future Garlean Dystopia, Prehistory, Apocolypse (Complete abolition of Darkness, like the WoD world)
>Dungeons: Fall of Limsa Lominsa, Allag Depths, Tyran Castle, Robot Production Facility, The Brightest Light, Time Before Time
>Beastmen Tribe: Tyran (Lavos is a primal they summoned to wipe out the other races, but their arrogance and sense of superiority created a being that sought to perfect itself, and ironically lead to their extinction.)
>Final Main Story Quest: Radical Dreamers

>>382870746
gay

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>>382870737
>Raid against Slime Menagerie never

just think Thordan Extreme but with slimes

It's almost as if Final Fantasy games are connected in name only and contain various iterations of various designs in each and every single fucking game since FFII, which even then, had completely new assets, JUST LIKE FFXIV.

Neck yourself, OP. Never post your shitty uninformed clickbait on /v/ again.

A great deal of FFXIV is fucking fanservice. Of course they're going to reuse designs.

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Daily reminder that we won't be getting Blue Mage ever.

>>382871172
Just like we will never get Red Mage because that class wouldn't work with how FF14 is designed.

>>382871220
Who the fuck ever claimed that?

Why do XIV fags get so defensive over the fact that their game reuses assets out the ass. Damage control the XI assets all you want, but what about literally ALL of the recent hairstyles being ripped from FF 0?

>>382871160
Fan service is literally the reason FFXI and XIV even exist. It's almost as if OP is retarded or something. Oh, wait.

>>382853291
They have ra and ga in Japan. They're only II and III in English because of Koji Fox

>>382871297
Yoshida

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What do you guys think about the new raid?

I think it's one of the laziest things I ever seen.
>No adds
>Doesn't feel like an exploration/adventure, just fucking stages
>Bosses from FFV throwed at us almost without a context, without the effort to implement them in an actual plot
>Fights are lazy too (but they have interesting concepts so Savage will probably be fun)
All this laziness is at least cured by the plot, which I enjoyed a lot. I like how they went with Omega being sentient and stuff.
However why would it create something stronger than it if it couldn't even defeat Shinryu?

>>382871297
A few people threw it out that they wouldn't want to implement Red Mage as either its traditional implementation with white/black magic or FFXI being extremely support magic based because neither fit the holy trinity in a smooth, clean way.

But when you just take various things and slap the white/black aesthetic on them and add in a rapier because FFXI, it works fine. Could've also worked fine as a supporty healer, or whatever the fuck they wanted it to be.

Pretty much just like folks don't think they will implement blue mage because the in-place systems will not allow it to actually be faithful to the soul of the class.

>>382871297
a TON of niggas did when stormblood was initially announced.

>>382871575
>No adds
That is a good thing though
I'm tired of every major fight being intro->add phase->ultimate->real fight

>>382869638
They introduced that there are 13 worlds, 7 of which are now Hells, having been consumed by Darkness. The Warriors of darkness come from the one closest to the Light, so much so that it threatened to consume their world, becoming like a Hell but in the context of Light. Minifillia, as the voice of the goddess, goes with them at the end of their arc back to their world to take the light into herself so it doesn't consume their world. So there are essentially 6 alternate worlds left that are not Hells.

What if we do indeed go to Vana'diel, but it's a Hell now?

>>382869620
i mean both games have heavy use of alternate dimensions in their lore and 2 ffxi characters have come to eorzea in temporary(but still canon) quests so it's not out of the question, but they're definitely alternate universes

>>382870745
Yeah and that's the fucking problem. The Garleans have been great, but they're contained to the MSQ outside of Nael. Why did Regula have to die in a random cutscene instead of actual being a character? Shit is god damn whack that actual holograms are the biggest threat in the game currently and none of the best characters to come out of the series.

OH DUDE WOOLYGATOR WAS RIPPED FROM FF12 ALTHOUGH IT'S BETTER ANIMATED, HIGHER POLY AND HAS HIGH RESOLUTION TEXTURES
WHY IS SQUARE SO FUCKING LAZY MAN WTF

>>382871575
>>Bosses from FFV throwed at us almost without a context, without the effort to implement them in an actual plot
They literally tell you they are fictional characters in the XIV universe and Omega heard these stories and recreated them. How fucking dumb are you?

>>382871575
I found the lead in to be underwhelming and boring. The boss arena themselves are hideous. The first two bosses I've done so far were fairly boring

meh/10, when's Ivalice?

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>>382847013
>Has there ever been a mainline Final Fantasy game where completely original art design is a minority among asset reuse and recreations of old sprites? Where returning to a world from a previous mainline game is a major selling point?

It's not a mainline title at all, but Mobius FF immediately comes to mind. It has everything you said, pretty much. Aside from a few original models, everything is taken from either the XIII trilogy, XIV (and by extension, XI and XII) or X.
And then we have events like the one for the FFVII remake, a game we barely anything about but of wich was dedicated an entire sidestory.

It's just probably Square's tactics these days with FF: they realized new stuff is way too risky for their own good so they prefer create products filled with nostalgia pandering that they can cash on. Not that i'm condemning them all, i'm still excited for Dissidia NT.

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>>382867176
Mhach did nothing wrong

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>>382871524
>>382871614
>>382871650
>I'm going to ignore evidence provided from the developers themselves by creating rumors instead
Let it go, blue cucks.

>literally dungeon boss with reused gimmicky mechanics
>gimmick boss that throws hard to discern markers at you and does no damage otherwise
>retard check
>we held everything back for savage please come back in 2 weeks :^)

Yeah Omega is shit

>>382872085
As much as I love Blue Mage there's no way it would work properly in XIV's settings.

At best it'd be a generic job that gains its monster skills through job quests

>Today we're learning bad breath
>go fight that Morbol for a while
>duty complete!

>>382871575
It was garbage. Music was mediocre, boss choices were mediocre, visually mediocre. No adds or movement what so ever is really lait was lame but it was clear from Alexander they were going to start removing that kind of stuff. Never going to have something like Coil again.

Eighth boss is going to be Bartz and Boko, how is this even up for debate? The real question is when do we fight Gilgamesh.

DUDE WHY DO MAJOR FRANCHISES USE THEIR TRADEMARK DESIGNS IN EACH GAME
DUDE WHY IS THIS STUFF IN A LITERAL FAN SERVICE MMO
DUDE WHY IS MY IQ LOWER THAN THE LAST TWO DIGITS OF MY POST

>>382872421
GLIB
FACSIMILE

>>382872191
Job Quests make the most sense, otherwise it would be retarded.

>"To get this crucial rotational ability you gotta go to Azys Lla and wait for this specific Mob to spawn."
>"To get this buff you have to go to Eastern La Noscea and kill 100 goblins"

Plus that kind of concept wouldn't work in XIV, it's just not that type of game, it'd make much more sense in something like WoW or Runescape.

BLU should just be a tank with a majority of its abilities being drawn from famous mobs and enemies.

>>382872341
Gilgamesh shows up outta nowehere and witnesses us killing omega-Bartz. He then commits sudoku before we can explain it wasn't the real one.

>>382871575
It DID defeat Shinryu you goober, why do you think it's in restraints when you find it? Cid/Nero straight up tells you this.

>>382872195
>No adds
3rd boss had that dragon. I guess.

>>382872507
Plus given that XIV is a game where actual job customization is a laughable thought (no Sset bonuses, Bonus points are gone, accessories are role locked, role skills have like 4/5 necessary picks), there's no way where it would be like XI where you select from so many blue magic skills to make your unique jobset

>>382872195
>music was mediocre
>calling classic music mediocre

>boss choices were mediocre
Only bad one is the serpent

>visually mediocre
Oh no the new area runs on a game engine where character models still have rectangular hands!

>No adds
Good we don't need SMN, BLM,BRD and RDM fluffing their numbers to pretend they are good players.

> or movement
Still have to dodge shit still have to pay attention to mechanics. You're also complaining about the casual normal mode. Wait until savage and if it's just as easy go to fucking town

>>382872858
>RDM
>fluffing numbers on adds
You what

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>just reached lvl 70
I'm worried
How much harder than Ala Mhigo are expert roulettes dungeons?
I'm playing tank but it felt like a fucking nightmare. DPS kept robbing the aggro from me and healer struggled to heal me despite only picking 2 packs of mobs at the same time

>>382872954
4 or more adds fluff their numbers with scatter and if they have 90/90 mana they do 200potency with their upgraded cleave per add up to three times. That is something they can easily prepare for by saving up their manas. Not to mention that stupid unlimited blade works ability

>>382873028
Enhance your aptitude

>>382873028
Get str accessories and never worry about aggro again

>>382872954
RDM actually does pretty hefty AoE since they can spam Scatter and Moulinet, neither of which have falloff damage

Contre Sixte is their only other AoE skill, and has the classic AoE falloff on it.

>>382873094
At 4 adds that live long enough that's not fluffing numbers, that's straight up an AOE scenario and every DPS has abilities to deal with that.

Are you one of those thousands of absolute fucking retards that single-target a 6-mob pack in dungeons while your paladin is running out of TP desperately spamming Eclipse so that things die in a reasonable amount of time?

>>382873028
Did you have trouble holding aggro even after they doubled it for all tanks today?
If so, get good.
If not, you still need to get good, but the buff will probably make this a nonissue in most cases

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>death of a comrade
>cid's ship is the Enterprise
>Nero is in a red shirt
Oh god no.. not like this.. NOT LIKE THIS

>>382873294
>death of a comrade
>attempts to kill Biggs and Wedge
Well, who cares

>>382873225
>still stealing aggro as RDM

how the fuck does this happen

>>382873340
>Game threatens to kill a character
>Its some nothing side character
>Doesnt even fucking succeed at killing him

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>>382873294

>>382873205
Other classes do it better than others. Look at SMN last expansion. They were fucking top of the charts because of adds not because of their player skill.

How did you get this assumption when I fucking told you about how scatter, Enchanted Moulinet, and the blade works ability work? I aoe for fucking trash dungeons of course but the best thing about this raid tier no one can fluff their numbers and we have a good indicator on a player's skill level because of this. All we need to do now is remove the balance and we can 100% see a player's true skill level

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>>382873450
Was Jessie characterized before?

She was a thing in the RDM 50-60 job quests but I don't remember her being around in the MSQ

I actually enjoy her absolute disregard for Cid's opinion on Nero.

>>382873586
she was the one who let your magitek armor in arr shoot lazers after you beat gaius in the overworld

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>>382873517
>Other classes do it better than others. Look at SMN last expansion.
Well, sure. Some jobs are better at a thing than others. Casters were traditionally better at AOE than everybody else (normally it comes with direct damage tradeoff but lol SE balancing).

Again, if it's an AOE situation, it's not fluffing. Fluffing is when you hit all the rocks in Susano with scatter or foul specifically to inflate your parse even though you only need to hit one. Doing what the encounter requires you to do is not fluffing. AOEing multiple mobs is the intended gameplay.

Just finished MSQ can someone post that
>you liberated this? I liberated this
comic with Lyse I feel its more accurate now than ever

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>>382872191
>it would NEVER work
>except this way it would work

>>382872195
Agree with all this. This first round is a huge disappointment, and only casuals and FF5 grandpas seem to like it.

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>>382873763
Sorry have this instead

>>382872195
>Never going to have something like Coil again
Thank god
Second coil was a nightmare of completely random piles of mechanics thrown at the players for no reason whatsoever

>>382873838
it would never work as a blue mage would typically work, is the point. It would just be blue mage via the lore.

You wouldn't be learning the skills in actual battle. You wouldn't be picking the ones you actually want. It'd just be "okay do the job quest for bad breath at 50, do the job quest for goblin punch at 52" etc.

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>>382873763
Got ya covered

>>382873969
thanks senpai

>>382871220
Lol we never did get Red Mage. If you legitimately think that the """""""""Red Mage""""""""" we got is a Red Mage, than you've never played a Final Fantasy game.

>>382873951
Git gud

>>382867176
Allagans were around in the Third Era, so we know there were at least two major civilizations before them. We know they were big into "aetherochemical research" which was basically proto-magitek. Discovered Omega and based a shitton of their technology off of it. End of the Omega questline suggests that includes their ability to ensnare primals. Before that their primary research seemed to involve Voidsent, which was what led to CoD getting into Eorzea.

Belah'dia seems to use some suspiciously mhachi-looking technology, and given their ties with thamaturgy it's somewhat implied they were the remnants of Mhach that fled over the mountains to modern-day Thanalan.

Are the servers dying ? Cant even log in just get thrown out instantly

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>>382874045
>he says as he most likely didn't even complete it before the echo was implemented

>>382874547
Except I did complete every raid content in this game before echo and SCOB was never hard, players were just new. If you want random arbitrary mechanics look no further than Midas.

>>382874618
>Except I did complete every raid content in this game before echo and SCOB was never hard
Post character so we can see your achievements then. Should be easy to prove you did it right?

>>382875114
kk
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/1683734/

>>382871575
Well the idea is that the reason there's an Omega in every game is because it exists outside of/in between the game worlds. Each Omega Weapon that you fight in each FF game is built by the original Omega and sent to that world.

It's implied that Omega's original purpose for being is actually to destroy Shinryu. Versions of each one appear in almost every FF game to date. Omega, the robot that fought Shinryu at the end of 3.5, may not be the same entity that created the Deltascape. It would be reasonable to think that after defeating this world's shade of Shinryu, the Omega Weapon was meant to return to the Rift with its data. The Omega in the Rift, the one that's constantly seeking to improve itself through combat trials, may actually be the original. The simulations are based off of the entities themselves, and Nero's story justification could be dead wrong. Keep in mind, not only did Nero only bring up the folk tales for a couple of the bosses, but Midgardsormr explicitly states that Omega has no imagination. If all it has to go on is "once there was an evil tree who used void magic" Exdeath wouldn't look exactly like he does in other games. That IS Exdeath from the other games, as observed by the various
Omega Weapons.

If I'm right about this, it also possibly means that Neo Shinryu will be one of the final bosses of the Omega series, possibly O7.

>>382875337
whoa they changed the lodestone

>>382876071
>Each Omega Weapon
Omega Weapon and Omega are not the same thing.

>>382874618
>SCOB was never hard
Nael's fight was retarded, every since mechanic was a wipe if not done perfectly, to the point that its savage version wasn't any harder than the regular version since said regular version already required you to be on point 24/24 or it was try again.

>>382876071

Cool theory

>>382874618
>SCOB was never hard
>fail a mechanic
>instantkill
>these clunky as hell Divebombs
>not hard
T9, before Gordias/Midas was easily the hardest fight in the game. Unless you count Savage but it's just more retarded instantkill mechanics, so the same thing

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>>382873028
Man, don't think too much about it. You only need to unlock two extra dungeons to complete the expert roulette and they are all relatively easy. Also, it should be easier to keep your aggro with the recent update, apparently flash is now a enmity nuke (can't really tell much, haven't played PLD ever since SB started but I believe it.)

You should only worry about the other DPS cunts. I queued for the kugane castle and got paired with this retarded RDM who refused to help me kill the AoE add that was tethered to my character.

What do I dump my poetics now? I don't need gear, I'm not an anima weapon goy. Are there things worth selling?

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>>382876071
Omega weapon = Ultima Weapon reskin

Omega = This thing

The exdeath fight was really fun same with helicarnassus. The first two were retarded tho

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So, will Savage work the same way it did in Alexander (first clear the 1st boss, than the 2nd etc., you can't access instantly the 4th if you want)?
Because the absence of a Faust-like miniboss to DPS check retards make me think that all floors will be free like back in ARR with Coils.

>Do some frontline
>Approach some flame to use my fire 1 and start enochian
>Suddenly a whole group move exactly at the same time in my direction
>They do the same thing together and move at the same time
Am I seeing this right?
There's literally parties of bots now??

>>382876539

You're missing the point there, il autismo.

I'm using it to distinguish the original Omega (the god-like being that can create sentient life) from Omega (the car-sized robot in FFXIV) from Omega (as seen in FFV) from Omega (as seen in FFXI) from Omega (as seen in FFXII) from Omega (as seen in FFXIII-2) from Omega (as seen in Dissidia).

Did I miss any Omegas?

Cause there are, like, a LOT of Omegas.

Or, wait are you referring to Omega Weapon (FFVII), or Omega Weapon (FFVI), or possibly Omega Weapon (FFX)?

Or could it even be, dare I say, THE SAME FUCKING THING WITH A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT NAME.

I wonder if people complaining realise that XIV is essentially Nostalgia and Pandering: The MMO Experience.

>>382877189
This is the first time the nostalgia goggles have fully blinded me to whether any of these fights are worth a single solitary shit. I love FFV and I just ate this crap up. The Archeoaevis/Jura Aevis fight, Catastrophe, the desert shit, and big ol fuckin tree demon, it all worked for me just for being thematically similar to their namesakes.

>>382877351
Coil was still one where you had to finish the previous turn to access the next, unless you did it after it was relevant.

>>382877351
>Because the absence of a Faust-like miniboss to DPS check retards make me think that all floors will be free like back in ARR with Coils.
Did you join in 3.0? Because the fights were never free for coils until the next tier unlocked. You had to go up each fight every week.

>>382877443
>Or could it even be, dare I say, THE SAME FUCKING THING WITH A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT NAME.
Omega Weapon is not the same thing as Omega you fucking retard. One is essentially just a bigger, meaner Ultima Weapon. The other is a robot with no fucking connection to Ultima Weapon. If you can't distinguish between the two you're literally retarded.

>>382877557
Never played FFV, but V3 and 4 felt really fun. I liked the desert puzzle thing.

Whatever we think about the raid, I think we can all agree that Nero's shit-eating grin is perfect.

>>382877714
Nero is best.
Why won't they stop bullying him? Why is my character always agreeing with the other retards when everything Nero says and does is what I actually agree with?

>>382877714
Watching Nero troll Cid the entire raid sequence was better than the actual raid.

>>382877660
Basically the first fight is named Alte Roite, but is based on the Aevis bosses from FFV, Archeoaevis being the first one in the Earth Shrine, Jura Aevis (which the pushover old man Alte Roite transforms into upon death just like the random dragon assholes from a bunch of Coerthas dungeons), and Grand Aevis from the extra content in the GBA FFV. They all used multiple elements, either swapping actively or having forms they went through as they died, and later in the fight would use Maelstrom, reducing party members' HP to critical.

Catastrophe was an ugly fat Beholder that would cast 100G to remove your float status, then spam Earthquake and shit like that. Hallacara-whatever is probably the least faithful of them in that his only real unique thing was turning people into frogs and being a cross-dressing fop who behaved like it was a game, so the fight's faithful to his behavior I guess.

Exdeath I feel will probably have a more involved tree form in Savage like Brute Justice, one that might have multiple targets that need to be focused to prevent them from casting a bunch of shit that's hard to deal with all at once. Otherwise him pulling from the void for empowered black mage spells and all that is par for the course, he's just a buff wizard.

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>>382877714
It really is.

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>300+ ilevel
>People still can't kill Sephirot for Khloe's book
Is Titan even trying?

>>382878120
Quite Nero the adults are talking here

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>>382877443
Omega is Omega is Omega. Every Omega has always been a quadrapedal robot fucker.

Omega Weapon is an entirely different entity.

>>382878238
Regular sephirot right?

>>382868223
The famed mimic Gogo

>>382878268
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? LIKE OMEGA WEAPON AND OMEGA ARENT THE SAME THING WHEN THEY JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT NAME???? SHUT UP IDIOT!

>>382877658
Show me a game where both Omega and Omega Weapon exist and I will concede that you have a point, but as far as I can see

>both called Omega
>both recurring superbosses
>both large quadripedal robots

I'm seeing more similarities than differences there, chum.

>>382878410
Show me one Omega Weapon that doesn't look organic you fucking retard. They aren't the same thing. At all.

>>382878410
Omega = quadraped robot
Omega weapon = Ultima weapon reskin

FFXIV is creatively bankrupt and lacks its own identity.

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>>382878120
>just joined
>already makes more money than Cid

>>382878623
Proofs?

>>382878603
not to mention Omega Weapon tends to have attacks similar to Ultima Weapon's whereas Omega has distinct signature moves that Omega Weapon has never had.

>>382869110
i hope they over tune it to fuck

>>382878623
Not at all, although it is somewhat lacking in memorable, original boss fights. Nidhogg and Thordan are really the only stand-outs imo

>>382869738
SHE DOES?
SHOULD I LEVEL BLM!
PICS PLEASE

>>382878937
Shatotto is a piece of shit and doesn't even rhyme like her apparent namesake

>>382878481
There's only one that does look organic, ya donut.

The rest are clearly robotic.

You might as well be telling me "this isn't Gilgamesh cause he has EIGHT arms, when the last one had SIX! Then before that he only had FOUR!" when they're clearly the same character.

Plus

again

we know that each world contains an omega

some have an enemy called omega WEAPON

but no omega

hmmm

>>382870746
>Dungeons: Tyran Castle

I want this just for the music alone.

>>382865938

It took me getting hit by Void-Blizzard 3 like 5 times before it finally clicked in my brain that I was supposed to KEEP MOVING.

To be fair, I blame being a BLM. On the plus side this means I never got hit by Void-Fire 3.

>>382878907
>no mention of brute/winged justice

>>382879046
the thing is the Omega and Gilgamesh that appear in multiple games tend to be hinted at being the same ones peaking in and out of different universes

Omega weapon is just Ultima weapon Mark 2

>>382879231
You're right, Brute Justice as well! I was just thinking off the top of my head. I never did savage.

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>>382878676
Not a single SB raid will be original content. All three known SB trials are ripped from other FF.

FFXIV's original content is often downplayed, sadly. For example, they threw aside the Shadow Queen (which was already a lacking villain) for more Diabolos.

>>382879386
You missed out, man. Winged Justice was one hell of a fight and something I'd never forget.

>>382879386
Nael was a pretty big deal before and after ARR, too.

>>382879308
Okay

letsgobackabithere

it's hinted that the reason omega keeps appearing

is because there's one true omega entity

who built all the other omegas

and sent them out to the various ff worlds

let's not forget that the ultima weapons are just as conspicuously out of place in a fantasy world

so who the fuck built the ultima weapons for omega weapons to be the improvement of

let's also not forget that our ultima is based on allagan technology, who in turn based a shitload of their technology off of omega

including the ability to trap primals

which both ultima and omega have been shown to do

in fact some would say that was the original purpose of each of these devices

XIV is just the first game to scream it in our faces this blatantly

Ironically I remember having almost this exact argument with someone in like 7th grade

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>>382879548
Doing T9 was something else when you have to find the safe spots and put the markers down for the party and then someone fucks up thunder and its all down hill from there.
>Some fucks up the second set of Meteors and you know its coming.

>>382879759
stop typing like you're on reddit holy shit

>>382879759
the most obnoxious post i've seen in a while

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>>382879934
Rude! FFXIV community should be nice!

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>>382879759
nigga if you think these look the same, i don't know what the fuck to tell you

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>planning for cyber-samurai glamour
>"Sephirot katana looks alright I gue-"
>that fucking scabbard
Why is it so hard to design a simple looking scabbard instead of these blocks of metal and sharp triangles?

>>382880494

That's the gimmick for all the Sephirot weapons though. If you want a cyber-samurai just get Magitek Katana. Or maybe the Levi Katana, it looks like a lightsaber.

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>>382880494
>do battle in interdimensional cyberspace battlefield
>take spoils to steampunk wizard blacksmiths
>get ugly historic samurai fatsuits

>>382880713
capped tomestone gear better look good

I need more fucking Allagan sets

>>382880494
Use the Sabatendor Katana, shit glowly as fuck

>>382880813
Watch it be dyeable versions of the shitty AF3.

>>382880705
>>382880830
I don't want the glow though. I guess I'll have to look into it more, still got a long way to go.

>>382880862
That probably won't be the case. They'll probably let you upgrade the AF3 into dyeable versions.

Capped Tomestone Gear will be undyeable and then dyeable once upgraded as per the rule

>>382880918
I mean the Ironworks is probably the best you gonna get for cyber looking.

>>382880939
Right, I forgot about the whole twine thing. In that case I'd like them to lay off the dresses and buttcapes for once.

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Why would they wear fox ears headbands when they already have cat ears

>>382881087
>tfw being a male caster/healer and getting skirts
>no fucking pants underneath
>any time you do anything and you see your exposed legs

God I hate DRKs in PVP.
>Hurrdurr I can pull anyone from a group very 10 sec and there's nothing you can do about it

>>382881242
Why would any race wear fake ears when they already have real ears?

>>382881415
All tanks are broken
>PLD with on demand Stun and has a Magical Snipe to kill fleeing enemies.
Shits fun

>>382881413
There is at least a decent selection of pants in the game. It's just that your top choices are severely limited if you want to use any of them.

>>382881509
WAR is the weakeast of them all tho.
They can't even stun anymore, such a fucking joke.

>Mudfish
>WTFast
>Pingzapper
Are they memes?

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>>382881242
>>382881434
>stuck with human ears

>>382867176
Can someone with the lore book explain the void, cu chullain, and scathach?

>>382881242
Extra cute

>>382881554
>They can't even stun anymore
What's their purpose in PvP, then?

I thought the point of tanks was to harass healers and casters

>>382881625
Because they can do 4 fell cleave in pvp.

>>382881580
From the world Igeyorhm successfully DARK'd - the Warriors of Light became powerful demons, Scathach and Cu Culain probably being among them. That world itself is the Void as it's called, and the Warrior of Darkness' world would probably be called the Light or some shit if we started seeing stuff from there.

>>382881625
>>382881659
Without berserk.

>>382881580
XIV's universe is split into 13 worlds on a varying scale of "light to darkness". The 13th world was tilted the furthest towards darkness. Beings like Unukalhai and Igeyorhm were from this world. They abused magicite infused with primal aether and became monsters (re: Lucavi) and the world became the void, and the people became voidsent.

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>>382881625
Holmgang forces you to attack them? Is it even still in?

Is the other bosses from ff as well? The beholder is like every other beholder, the tea lady I have no idea about

>>382881765
All the bosses in this raid tier are from ff5, Catastrophe and Halicarnassus included.

>lady

>>382881710
Holmgang is still in, but it has a very long cooldown to serve essentially the same (but worse) purpose as DRK's pull, which has a 10s cooldown.

>>382873028
try pulling only 1 pack of mobs until your gear gets better.

>>382847013
XIV is only good for being a big shoutout to the rest of the series, so I can't see an issue with this. Most FF game reuse things from previous games.

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>>382878623
You say that, but it has the biggest book of LORE in the whole series. It might throw some nods to old games (fighting Ultros and Typhon, Exdeath, Cloud of Darkness) but it literally has enough of its own history to fill an encyclopedia.

Does this game really "begin" at endgame

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>>382873294
If they kill Nero I will fucking riot.
He's the best character in the game, bar none, and this is a game that is STARVING for remotely likable characters.

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>>382882492
>you will never own Encyclopedia Eorzea

Where's the PDF scan of it already

>>382882492
99% of it is useless info that nobody will care about in a few years

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>Y'Shtola dies

>>382882614
>Not owning Encyclopedia Eorzea, Art of Eorzia, Stone & Steel, Scars of War

>>382881685
so some mind break shit?

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>>382882707
that's the point of a lore book

I'm just glad it's an actual lore book and not a big concept art advertisement for Final Fantasy XV

>>382882774
No, they just were consumed by the darkness because they did shitty shit with it and the world was engulfed. So they became the demons

The Warriors of Light from that world didn't have a chance either, which is why Unukalhai had to escape it.

>>382882707
Just like XI and every other game ever!

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>>382882715
But she doesn't

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>>382882548
Be careful what you wish for
Honestly I would have been fine with Nero dying in the world of darkness
Despite his insufferable smugness and apparent individualism, he still gave it all and would have willingly sacrificed his life in one last heroic stance, it's dumb and common as far as tropes are concerned but it made me like him a lot more as a character
The problem I have with him being still alive is that I'm afraid he might very well become a meme comic relief ala Biggs and Wedge, in which case it would have been plain better that he didn't make it alive out of the crystal tower

>>382882917
>>382882715
I wish she was my wife

>>382882774
Not sure if the darkness fucked with their minds or whatever, but there's apparently 13 greater demons of the Void, I think Scathach and Cloud of Darkness are two of them, but I don't own the lore book. I think those 13 are just the strongest entities, be they former heroes or just particularly strong monsters.

Also now that I actually say all that shit I'm not so sure Scathach is one of that world's former Warriors of Light, I think I just heard that somewhere and it stuck in my head. Unukalhai is the only one I know for certain is, and he just had no chance at all and Elidibus had to save him from that world.

>>382882049
Reuse concepts but not direct assets.
XI and XIV's Ochu's are the same
VIII and XIII's aren't.

>>382882930
he's just trying to win Cid over. Once he's a regular ironworks member, he'll be regular smug nero. That is, if he lives that long. RIP Nero "red shirt" tol Scaeva

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>>382882930
so long as he exists to annoy the fuck out of Cid I'll take it

>>382882715
>all those people who unironically thought Y'shtola would die based off a trailer
fuckin idiots

Out of all the fights in Delta only Exdeath seemed like kind of a mess. I imagine it'll change in Savage when we find out how the fight was actually designed to be.

>>382882930
>The problem I have with him being still alive is that I'm afraid he might very well become a meme comic relief ala Biggs and Wedge
I am also very scared of this. Very scared indeed. If he doesn't pull some suss shit throughout the course of this raid and continues being Cids punching bag while putting out witty one liners I will be pretty dissapointed.

>>382883420
Git gud? It's pretty easy to see what's going on.

you guys know where I can obtain the items to trade in for gatherer materia VI?

/xivg/ is useless.

>>382883385
At least she got shelved for the entire rest of the expansion, that's good enough.

>>382883548
But we want more Y'shtola

>>382883223
So what? Again XIV uses "models" from every game in the series. It is just that they can pull directly from X onward and update those, while the stuff from previous games are remodeled based directly on the original material.

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SONIC BOOOM!

>>382883512
I wasn't talking about difficulty.

>>382883593
Bippity bop bop bop, gonna bin this.

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Any SAM using True North? Seeing some bosses that like to move around a lot in the raid I'm thinking of taking True North with me in those cases where it's impossible to enter the flank of a boss for various reasons (like AoE etc.)

Is True North worth it or just a meme?

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>>382883570
No

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>>382883593
>the actual lyrics to this song

>>382883709
It's better for MNK, I dunno how many positionals SAM has.

>>382883003
>Cuchulainn:
>One theory places the void's formation in the hands of champions such as Cuchulainn who wielded a stone known as "auracite" to conquer their plane's primals. The weapon, however, posessed a fatal imperfection: a propensity to bleed primal energies. With each victory, the heroes changed, transforming at last into fiends of endless appetite. Insatiable in ther hunger for aether, they went to war over the stars ever dwindling life-force. It was during this war that the Flood of Darkness was unleashed.

Scathach has no entry since it was published before 3.5. It does make mention of the Hierarchy of Voidsent and how the Cloud of Darkness sits upon the highest rung. Cuchulainn is the only entry specifically listed as a hero.

>>382883709
i mean its not like you're struggling for role ability spots, its useful if you're good enough to know when to use it. more kenki from positionals translates directly into more dps.

>>382871726
The 13 worlds are all mirror images of the current one, not totally different ones.

>>382883753
SAM doesn't have a lot of positionals but not hitting them can end with you not getting enough Kenki for some actions in your rotations.

>>382883752

all primal songs are sung by the tribe who summoned it. so alexanders lyrics are spot on.