Let's remake Bayonetta 1 but make it worse in absolutely

>>382800505
I don't think you understand how things work desu

>>382800505
>make it a Nintendo exclusive
Done. It's worse in every aspect

let's make a shitty bait thread rather than a good thread

>>382800505
Care to back that up?

>>382800908
It does do a lot of things worse then the original. Most of the weapons feel pretty shit, Climax mode feels too required to be able to do well. "Flying" sections. Underwater fighting. Complete nerfing of Angel Weapons to the point that you just shouldn't bother with them.

>>382801621
the flying section is significantly better than the first game in every way, though. The rest is debatable depending on personal preferences.

>>382801793
you cant fly in the first game.
btw, flying battles get rid of any verticality that fights have so they're objectively worse considering you have less options for little reason

Literally follows the original game beat for beat

>>382802542
there's an entire space harrier section in the first game you moron

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>>382800505
Correct. I don't know why everyone jacks off 2 so much. I own both and 1 is much better.

>that retread of vigrid city
They couldn't even do the whole "return to an area from the previous game" thing right, everyone was sick of that location

>>382802773
oh you mean the minigames? bayo 1's is still better although it should have had it's own chapter seperate from jeanne's

The game was ridiculously low budget
However much money Nintendo helped in funding must have been chump change

>>382800505
Of the gameplay you mean.

>>382803610
>an entire level
>a minigame

>>382800580
>t. never played Bayonetta 1
Enjoy your wii u , I guess

>No death QTEs
>Umbran Battle Armor>>>>>motorcycle and missile
>No Kinship platforming
Bayonetta 2 will always be the better game because of these 3 key improvements.

>>382803610
now I'm convinced you haven't played the games

>>382803610
>Bayo 1 has better minigames
Full retard.

>>382803840
its some autist who doesnt shut the fuck up about them and other asinine bullshit. constantly shits up bayo threads with his autism

>let's replace repetitive giant bosses with repetitive shitty flying combat
>LET'S GO BACK TO VIGRID
>young Balder has the only good fights and they're not as good as the ones against Jeanne
>that absolutely garbage final boss and shittier way of killing him
>only two good songs in the entire soundtrack, everything else was reused or unmemorable
>shitty motorcycle replaced by shitty horse
All it did right was removing the instant death QTEs.

>>382804212
>Lets ignore the fact that the horse is like the motorcycle if it actually worked well and just compare them as the same
Bayo1 purists are the most deluded faggots on earth

>>382804338
The horse controls better but that doesn't make the segment any less shit.

Bayonetta is my favorite series of all time, and I think both games are very much "Bayonetta" with each one having it's own diffefences that seperate each other.

Both are damn good games, and both have pros and cons over each other.

I personally prefer Bayo 2 but not by that much.

>>382804338
wow you really tore apart every aspect of his argument

>>382804338
>Let's ignore everything else he listed
kek.

>>382804480
>>382804569
>>382804668
Final Boss is the only valid point of his argument.

Bayo 2 is the DMC 2 of Bayonetta

>>382804746
>going back to pissgrid is acceptable
>implying Moon River and Tomorrow is Mine aren't the only good songs in the Bayo 2 soundtrack

>>382800505
It's better in some ways and worse in others.

>>382804793
Holy SHIT you have not played DMC2 if you're saying this at all unironically.

>>382804793
Absolutely false

>>382804898
>Holy SHIT you have not played DMC2 if you're saying this at all unironically.
*flies or swims at you*

>>382804793
Nah, Bayo 2 is the DKC3 of Bayonetta.

>>382804793
This post is the this post of this thread

>>382800505
as someone who played both for the first time to completion within 24hrs, bayonetta 2 does everything better and felt more replayable. not to mention the designs were better

>>382805000
???

>>382804869
Going back to Vigrid isn't a deal breaker one way or the other you autist.
That's two great tracks, and also doesn't determine the quality of the game. I'd go and prove you wrong on this one but I'm not digging through the Bayonetta 2 soundtrack for a bunch of examples just to get a one word "wrong" reply or some shit.

>>382805212
>I'd go and prove you wrong on this one but I literally can't
Okay

>>382805197
confirmed for not playing either dmc2 or bayo 2

>>382805140
>I played them both once I know what I'm talking about
Like the kind of person that plays a fighting game for 2 months then thinks they know their shit

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I think it's neat as hell Bayo has new animations and attacks/combos in 2, but reverts to her playstyle from Bayo 1 when you equip Scarborough Fair, really cool shit.

I wonder why they changed the changed the Bullet Time attack in 2, though. I always liked it in 1, feels less cool in 2.

>>382805315
Right lets just ignore the fact that if you seriously think having Vigrid show up again is a deal breaker then you should fucking HATE Bayonetta 1 because it's literally half vigrid.

>>382805346
YOU haven't played DMC2 if you think its swimming sections are at all comparable to Bayo2's. And DMC2 has many many many more flaws on top of that. Stop exaggerating, you're making a fool of yourself.

>>382805140
No, you just had a smoother experience on your replay lol

>>382805516
You've got a nasty habit of accusing others of conveniently ignoring something while you do the same

>>382800505
story is a LOT worse but the combat is better
devil trigger was also a great idea

>when you get 4 swords later, one for each limb
the combos literally don't end, holy shit

>>382805476
I immediately switched guns. The flow of her basic punch combo felt fucking weird.

>>382805658
I already said. Even if you proved the music was shit it would literally not affect the game quality. Some i'm not going to disprove your claim and just let you wallow in your shit tastes.

>>382805823
>you have shit taste for liking Bayonetta
Guess we've got equal taste

>>382804793
atleast in Bayo 2 you don't have to replay the game as that weird little aryan black kid

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I liked the bosses in the first game a little better. Especially the final boss. How do you follow up Jubileus with some "I represent Chaos" edgy-ass muscle dude?

When I fought him I thought 'this can't be the end, he's gonna have another phase where it turns out he's controlled by something much bigger"

>>382805951
You've got shit tastes for being a Bayo 1 purist. They're both amazing games. You're just retarded

>>382806225
>You like one game more than I do, you have shit taste
So you have shit taste too

>>382806225
Not him but accusing people of being a buzzword for explaining why something is shit is pretty stupid when it's entirely justified

>>382806225
I like how you got three replies but are accusing this guy of being the original poster. I agree with some of the list so I guess that makes me a Bayo 1 purist, huh?

Bayonetta 2 feels like the better game to me, overall.

While there are some elements that have been stripped down, or shortened, the added elements and tweaks more than makes up for it.

>Fighting more than just Angels, Demons have fantastic designs
>Giant Battles and Humanoid battles are both here
>Bayo 2's color scheme is overall more visually appealing, especially the Muspelheim portals
>Minigames or alt gameplay sections that sucked in 1 are shortened and refined in 2
>Overall more replayable than 1
>Amazing co-op mode, lots of playable Characters
>LORE

I just love 2, guys. It's such a great game.
I will say the weapons weren't as cool, but Chernabog makes up for all that IMO.

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>>382806151
Aesir was a garbage villain and a boring fight. These were more exciting.

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2 didn't have those insta-death qtes but other then that there aren't any noticeable improvements.

>>382806151
Jubileus is the god of Heaven
Aesir is the god of Earth/Humanity
Then there's the god of Hell, can't remember who
They're all essentially equal

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>>382806151
>wreck his shit
>cutscene
Oh shit, here we go
>punted into Gomorrah's mouth
>*elephant noises*
>MUH DADDY
>the end
I guess it was kind of funny seeing him react to Luka

I consider Bayo 2 to be not only better than the first, but actually one of the best action games ever made, period.

>>382807043
I agree 100%

>>382807043
If your appreciation is skin deep and you have yet to actually get into the games and why they're good, sure

>>382807043
>forced reliance on witch time on everything, even grunts to get anything done.
>better than any action game

>>382807043
>one of the best action games ever made
Not with that gimped combat. As they are, Bayo 1 and Bayo 2 are too flawed to be near the top.

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>Bayo loses control of her infernal demons in the beginning of 2
>well, just one of them at least, Gomorrah
>but she can summon the rest of them just fine throughout the rest of the game

Can someone explain this to me? Was this a dropped plot point or something?

>>382807648
>1 disobeys therefore they all have to
?

>>382807269
>If your appreciation is skin deep
I was one of the founders of the original cuhrayzee community on /v/.
>>382807325
>>382807347
Literally the only problem with it is too many big ass boss fights and not enough normal mook encounters, but that's about it.

>>382807648
They needed something big to show off the flying battles.

>>382800505
>lets make a bayonetta game whitout the QTES and fix the terrible minigames
fixed your post for you OP, its ok you dont have to thank me, we all know you are too busy sucking dicks

>>382807648
>hey check out this cool demon I designed
>whoaaaa that does look really cool
>wouldn't it be cool if we could use it in the new game?
>but it's kind of the same as the one bayonetta uses the most
>what if we replaced it

>>382800505
Here's the thing: Bayonetta 1 wasn't that great to begin with.

>Bayonetta's generic Infernal Demons are capable of going head to head with the 4 strongest in Paradiso during the Lumen Sage fights
Why is Hell so overpowered?

>>382807945
I'm glad you're not in charge of anything because you'd make it shit then

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>>382807945
>the only thing is too many big boss fights
>not changed mechanics for the worse
>not being forced to use witch time on everything

>>382808734
inb4 he just cries "autism" or "well I didn't notice X"

>>382804212
>that absolutely garbage final boss and shittier way of killing him
That I cannot agree with. At least you fight Aesir normally, Jubileus might as well be a puzzle instead of a boss.

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>>382800505

2 is pretty fun desu. At least equal fun wise. But I would not bother pure platting it, I think. Bayo 1's combat is a bit deeper and more long time fun.
Also there is no real point to pure platting 2 on an emulator because I can't brag about it anywhere.

>>382803932
Bayonetta 1 is out for Wii U dumbfuck, and it's the best version too after PC

>>382809249
That would actually be the Xbone BC version of Bayo, then the 360 version. The Wii U version is only better than PS3.

>>382808307
Because demons are in constant training because they are at war with each other while angels do... dunno, cry about Jubileus or whatever their next idol is

What's the matter OP? Sound is still not working on CEMU?

>>382809380
the wii u version is on par if not better than the 360 version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du0eEWddqVQ

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Ahh the queen of salt still reigns.

>port begging doesn't work, so let's slam the game as bad cause.

You guys keep crying. It's the only thing you can do.

Are mustards gonna shitpost in every Bayo thread now?

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>>382810015

Then he is doing something wrong. Works On My Machine™
Could be that he has an AMD cpu though, if I'm not mistaken then they have dropped optimizing it for those entirely.
RIP.
>tfw actually wanted to get an rx480 first because they perform better at DX12
>Decided against it because AMD let me down twice already while Nvidia never did
Avoided the 3rd time

>>382807898
The press for the game, the Nintendo Direct, and all the dev interviews made "Bayonetta's infernal demons turning against her" like it was a huge plot point.

>>382803638
>Low budget
Bayo emotes better in Bayo 2 than in Bayo 1. How is that low budget?

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>>382810507

gpu*
Oops. Whatever, have more Bayo.

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>there are people who are still mad about Bayo 2's exclusivity, even after all the times Platinum themselves said they offered the game to other publishers before Nintendo

At least you can emulate CEMU guys
>but it's not cycle-accurate
I know, that's emulation for you, but at least you can play it, somehow. Stop bitching.

>>382803610
>>382806589
>>382808086
samefag

>>382801621
I agree with everything here except the weapons. With the exception of the bow of no fun, all the new weapons felt great to use. I'm not dunking on the weapons of 1,but most of them felt very similar (light ones, heavy ones, and then the oddball ones like the nunchucks, whip and Shuraba). While they didnt all rely on the same combos, the way they functioned was, while technically unique, very similar to one another. Like, I understand that while everything has a PPKP combo to get something airborne, the only real difference between something like Scarborough Fair or Onyx Roses in this regard is damage output. Now that said, the stun caused by an OR shot can be more useful than the shots from SF, but it still doesnt take away from the fact that executing combo barely feels any different between the 2 weapons.

2's all felt like their own weapon. Its something I cant really describe without sounded silly. Rakshasa felt swift and clean. Undine felt weird because of the way Bayo moved with them. Chernobog felt a bit too heavy for its own good. Takemikazuchi felt even heavier but it also felt like thats how it was supposed to be. Alruna felt swift but brutal. Salamandra was moderately fast but was savage in the way you saw into shit. And then the bow was just kinda there. Good weapon but boring as sin.

Basically they all felt different rather than in 1 where even weapons that were different types felt more like side-grades rather than their own beast. But thats just me.

>>382810756
You're not understanding that most of these kids are too poor to afford a WiiU, let alone a PC that can run CEMU decently.

>>382809249
Doesn't mean you've played it

>>382810147
>these valid criticisms can't be true, must be from salt.
Nigga I own and played both extensively. 1 is better than 2

>>382810423
yes but this was a bait thread to begin with

>>382810147
Nintendo brainlet doesn't realize everyone criticizing Bayonetta 2 in this thread has played it

>>382811074
same but 2 is better and my opinion matters more

>>382810507
>Dropped support for ADM
Why do I always pick the cuck choice? I don't even play modern games and still bought a new RX470, now you are telling me I can't even run Cemu?

>>382808734
So its essentially the same game save for few austistic points lmaooooo
Dude nice try xD

>trying to derail the thread to be about the Wii U

>>382811082
Why would you assume that? One of the things that's a trademark for /v/ shitposters is talking shit about games they never played.
The Bayo 2 salt is real, even with CEMU on the picture, it's crazy.

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>>382810810
Very epic

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>>382810423

If Bayo theads are not about that then it's about sales numbers.
Where is the love??

>>382811204

I think so, can't say for sure. I just know for a fact that they have more trouble making games playable for AMD gpu users. And dropped support for intel onboard graphics users very early on because who the fuck cares about that.

>>382811454
>phoneposter

>>382811538
Nothing comfier than browsing /v/ at work on my phone :)

>>382811537
Looks better on Wii U

Reminder that there's an autistic mustard on /v/ who's on some crusade to prove that the games are "bad".

>bayonetta 2
>peach skin
>wahoo! yay! *bing bing* wahoo!

I have a friend who has extensivily played every Platnium game.

According to him the reason people do not like Bayo 2 is because it was harder than Bayo 1

>>382811961
>add a "press to win" button
>harder

>>382811961
>is because it was harder than Bayo 1
Bayo 2 is easier though. And it's not just because you can't die during cutscenes.

>>382811961
>harder

Now thats just patently false. The thing 2 lacked most was genuine challenge. They did the worst thing they could do in video games and thats hide every enemy behind a garbage ass shield that would just fuck your combo without warning on the higher difficulties. 1 had the perfect levels of difficulty, 2 took a large step back in that regard.

Her personality was heavily declawed in the sequel, it's like she was a completely different person. Whereas in Bayo 1 she was sassy and firing up quips left and right. Also moments like the Joy's intro when she goes into a dance battle with it. None of that was in the sequel except maybe in the prologue.

>>382802635
The first game doesn't rely on witch time.

They got rid of the bullshit insta-death QTEs in Bayo2. Fine by me.

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All that matters is the combat, saying qte makes bayonetta 2 better is stupid because there are work arounds while the only work around for bayonetta2s combat is bracelet of time and that's still not good enough.

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>>382811797

Yes sure, but if someone doesn't have a Wii U and wants to play Bayo 2 only, Cemu is a good alternative by now. Cutscenes being ouf of synch with the sound sometimes is the only thing that really bothered me because for a few of them it went to literally 10 seconds delay.

>>382802801
I liked nerd izumi better

>>382810810
>3 coments making 3 diferent points each one quoting diferent people

So what?

If anyone actually admits they prefers 2 over 1, I automatically take their opinion less seriously.

Good game I guess but it's inferior to the first game in almost every way.

>>382815195
>muh minigames

Anyone else tired of the Rodin weapons showing how great these games could be if they ditched the shitty punch/kick system?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWHcv7hg47x/?hl=en

Why is he such an asshole?
>inv4 ask your mom

>>382815583
>muh QTE

>>382808734
I can see these being a problem from the perspective of someone who speedruns these games and therefore wants to make sure every aspect is 100% optimized, but from the perspective of someone who simply wants to play through an action game and have an enjoyable experience I'd say that these are mostly irrelevant. Sure maybe it's more difficult to calculate exactly whether or not a score will add up to pure platinum status, but from my experience with Bayo 2 (I played and enjoyed both games) as long as you dodge well (don't get hit) and keep your combos varied it's still not too difficult to consistently get that pure platinum.

Personally I liked the the fact that Bayo 2 relied more on UC and WT, it made the fights feel more epic (please excuse the use of a meme word), and I also never liked the fact that only specific moves in Bayo 1 would give you witch time.

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>>382816957
>it's not too difficult to consistently get pure platinum
And that's a problem. Pure Plat is not something that should be easy to get. But it is in 2 because the player is encouraged to abuse UC and WT. There is almost no point in attacking if you are not in one of these two states because enemies can just block or dodge your attacks.

>I also never liked the fact that only specific moves in Bayo 1 would give you witch time.
Perhaps because WT is meant to be a crutch? And while you may prefer your more "epic" fights, other people enjoy more mechanically satisfying gameplay. Dodging until you get a magic meter full and then UC mashing out combos until it's over is fucking boring. And it's the only viable strategy to get the pure plats, let alone play the game in general.

Is this a joke?

Bayonetta 2 is better in every aspect except core gameplay, which means it is worse than Bayo 1 sure, but it still did everything else better. Other than maybe the soundtrack, haven't really compared them. Tomorrow is Mine is better than Mysterious Destiny though.

>>382800505

>absolutely every aspect

It just lowered the skill ceiling a little bit. All of Bayonetta 1's stupid decisions like QTEs and no health spawns until you're on death's door (and let's be real here, despite Bayo playing up the "don't get hit, scrub" game DMC wasn't THAT intense about it either) were ironed out but yeah, the things it excelled at were made marginally worse in the process. Not so much that Bayonetta 2 is a shit action game, it's just ever so slightly lesser to Bayonetta 1 in terms of challenge. They're both like 9/10 games, Bayo 1 is a 10/10 marred by a few stupid choices while Bayo 2 is just all-around well designed despite not quite reaching those 10/10 highs.

>>382818379

Moon River is better than Fly Me to the Moon too
However Bayo 1 had that kickass song against Jubileus. Sounds more than a Souls boss theme than any actual Souls boss theme ever did.

>>382818737

Oh, and Bayo 2 also dropped vehicle sections. Definite plus in its favor. Seriously, did anyone even like stages like Route 666?

>>382818827
I really prefer Moon River too but that one I do view as way more of an opinion than something I can say with the conviction of "no this is better you're wrong" like I can with Tomorrow is Mine.

>>382818197
You seem to be forgetting how lots of enemy attacks didn't give you Witch Time, and some enemies all together won't give you witch time.

And you can't hit these speedy, super-armor having fuckers without it. Bayo 1 is just as flawed as 2, only in a different way.

>>382800505
Maybe you should have posted this in the unpopular opinions thread.

>>382818827
you may call me father is the best ost I've heard

>>382818914
For the music, yes.
Bayo 1 had a lot of cool kick ass SEGA arcade game remixes, like Space Harrier and After Burner.

Shame Bayo 2 didn't have any of that.

>>382818827
>However Bayo 1 had that kickass song against Jubileus
Name or link?

>>382819184
>THAT FUCKING FEEL WHEN THE FINAL FULL REVEAL THAT THE LUMEN SAGE IS BALDER
>You May Call me Father starts up

The fact that a lot of the tracks in the game have motifs and melodies from that song, goddamn. What a piece of music.

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>>382819064
In Bayo 1? That's the point. You're not supposed to have WT every second of the fight. It is in every sense of the word a crutch. It's something for players to lean on if they aren't good enough to play without it. In Bayo 2 IIRC every single attack in that game gives you WT, and the game is now balanced around it. It has moved from being a crutch to being a requirement in basic combat.

If by armored fuckers you mean the ardor, pic related, then you'd be wrong. You can juggle ardors extremely easy by launching them with a PPKP and then taking it in the air from there. If by armored fuckers you mean the ones in 2, then that's one of the major complaints with 2. You are mandated to use WT to do anything.

>>382819484
w-what? I havent played bayo 2 anon ;_;

>>382814578
I respectfully disagree

>>382810147
Prepare for more salt if 2 does get a Switch port I wouldn't mind buying it again. There's been so much salt already thanks to the tweet platinum made.
>>382818827
Jubileus was top tier. The only thing wrong with Bayo 2 was the final boss fight.
https://youtu.be/QV3wFRy23cY

>>382819484
Did you not immediatly see that masked lumen was Balder? It was pretty fucking obvious anon.

>>382819484
>THAT FUCKING FEEL WHEN THE FINAL FULL REVEAL THAT THE LUMEN SAGE IS BALDER
Um, how did you not know that the moment a Lume Sage character was announced?

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>>382819357
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV8UyymA9DE

>>382807648
>>well, just one of them at least, Gomorrah
She also had to fight the spider and centipede demons.

>>382819613
No, I'm saying 1 is flawed in the sense that a lot of enemies can't even be flinched or staggered without Witch Time, but since WT isn't possible with certain enemies in 1, the combat against them is nearly impossible because of said lack of staggering/flinching.

Also super armor is a term that means "no knockback/flinching/staggering"

1 is flawed bro, at least you can HIT things in 2.

>>382819641
Oh...sorry man.
>>382819760
>>382819712
Reread what I posted.

>>382818197
>There is almost no point in attacking if you are not in one of these two states because enemies can just block or dodge your attacks.
There is if you want to get pure platinum, that's what combos exist for. The only way to consistently get platinum medal for combos is if you're doing them throughout the fight to get the highest multiplier you can.

>And while you may prefer your more "epic" fights, other people enjoy more mechanically satisfying gameplay
The gameplay is very satisfying regardless (imo), especially on the higher difficulties. Dodging until you get magic meter may be a viable option for winning fights, but it's not how you get the highest score (in my experience).

And it's not like either game is particularly difficult to begin with. I'll grant you that Bayo 2 is somewhat easier to master, but I don't particularly see that as a flaw in a single player game. And in both you games you really have to be on your shit in order to get high scores on Infinite Climax.

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>boring gimmicky giant bosses
>QTEs up the ass
>all those interruptions to the core gameplay
>something akin to escort missions
>A FUCKING TURRET SECTION

This game was pretty bogged down by Kamiya jumping on the 7th gen bandwagon already, I shudder to think how 2 was made worse. Why did Kamiya translate those pointless distractions from DMC? What makes 2 worse exactly? I had fun with the combat in 1 and the style is amazing, but Devil May Cry 3 gives this game such an ass whooping it's not even funny.

>>382819484
https://youtu.be/pBhUwLxlKLU

>>382819987
The only enemies in 1 that you cannot outright hit are ones that are on fire, and even then in my opinion they exist to show how vital of a system DO is. The point is that you have CHOICES on how to kill on fire enemies. You can dodge offset and WW to death, you can use WT and attack that way, and in multiple playthroughs you can use fire Durga.

There is nothing wrong with enemies not flinching when they're hit, it makes it so that the game isn't too easy, because a player could just rush in like a mad chimpanzee mashing buttons and never be touched. Going back to dodge offset that I mentioned earlier, it makes it so that the combat IS possible, and the fact that you're complaining that enemies not flinching or staggering outside of WT tells me exactly what skill level you're on.

And enemies tend to dodge and block much, MUCH more frequently in 2. I don't know how you're saying you can't hit things in 1 and then defend 2 in the same breath.

>>382820302
>Dmc3
>only one style
>muh mods
Ye no

>>382810147
>>382810507
>>382810658
>>382819797
>>382820597
Yes, we are very excited about my waifu's new game but please do not post lewd pictures of her.

>>382808984
delete this.

>>382821287
>delete this.
Why? Luka did a lot for her and deserves a hug and maybe a tit suckle

are sonygroes really still this mad after all these years

>>382821405
we are meant to be together, Luka can have Jeanne

>>382820708
Because you can hit things in 2 retard lmao

>>382821287
Kill yourself bayonetta is a big cow tittied slut built for lewds

>>382821563
Give them a break, all they have is a nearly unplayable version of the first game.

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>>382821287

But Bayo is very lewd by nature.

>you can't say bad things about Bayo2 or you're a sonywhatever that didn't play it
>despite the fact that the wii u has both games

>>382822307
Ít's more likely they are PCfags if anything, AMD users specifically.

>>382800505

Nintendo's Bloodborne everybody. If /v/ pretends its bad enough they don't have to want it as much.

>>382823384
No, Wonderful 101 is Nintendo's Bloodborne, IE the best exclusive on the system and a flat 10/10.

>>382821563
>Bayonetta 2 announced as Wii U exclusive
>Massive salt from Sonybros and XBots
>Bayonetta announced as Smash DLC
>Massive salt from KKRfags, Shantaefags, Isaacfags, etc

Bayonetta is the Salt Queen.

>>382821979
>>382822068
I'll have you know I've screencaped your comments and reported you to the administrator of this website.

rescue from page 10

>>382821837
Did you play on a difficulty higher than Normal, because I brute forced my way halfway through Infinite Climax with Kafka because I though it was like 1 where you had no WT and could not hit anything for more than three hits before they immediately broke out of the combo. Even on Hard that would happen, but I didn't notice it there since WT worked on that difficulty in both games. You cannot attack for a full combo without WT in 2 on harder difficulties.

>>382800505
2 is way better if you're a casual fuck who's just in it for one or two breakthroughs. Way less annoying mechanics, way more varied weapons, a lot of the more fast-paced small bosses instead of big guys.

Is Bayonetta trying to sissify us?
>Teases you
>At the same time makes you dance to girly music

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>>382800505

>People are still mad about Wii U Exclusive that they have to overblow the negatives to make themselves feel better

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>/v/ is still THIS upset about the existence of WiiU games

>>382823106
This. Mustards have been shitposting the series nonstop ever since the first game came out on PC.

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>>382804212
The flying combat still works like regular combat though, it just changes the axis you move on. Your combos and Witch Time and shit are still all there. Nothing's wrong with Vigrid, and the Balder fights being worse than Jeanne is entirely subjective. Aesir is much better than Jubileus, at least he's an actual boss instead of a glorified puzzle. The horse is like the motorcycle if it actually worked, and it's a fraction of the length. Also the Space Harrier segment is a million times better as well.

Bayo 2 isn't perfect, the original beats it in combat, weapon selection, costume design, and a million other things, but you picked some of the biggest non-issues to complain about.

Bayonetta 2 is garbage because it fucked up the humanoid bosses unlike any other action game.

>People will defend this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7jipey9Evw

>>382826860
>and the Balder fights being worse than Jeanne is entirely subjective.
Only one of those fights forces you to only do damage in Witch Time, the Balder fights are absolute garbage through and through.

But none of you actually played the game.

>>382827317
>It's garbage because you have to use game mechanics

>>382827941
It's garbage because you can't damage him outside of Witch Time and on higher difficulties he will infinitely dodge your every move if you're not in Witch Time. Which makes the entire fight Dodge -> Witch Time -> Combo -> Repeat.
Enlighten me on how that's good design.

>>382828173
Because it's a Nintendo exclusive.

>>382819695
http://gematsu.com/2017/07/bayonetta-1-2-seemingly-teased-switch

>>382828173
>If I boil down the gameplay it'll look bad, that'll show them!

Enlighten me on how it's bad design, faggot. If it was Jeanne style again everyone would just complain about that instead.

>>382828173
That's not true at all.

2 was better for the initial playthrough buy 1 is better for replays.

>>382828354
I just told you how, the game is arbitrarily limiting how you damage him because you are constrained to Witch Time to do anything. There's a reason Kamiya didn't balance the first game around Witch Time and it's removed entirely on Infinite Climax.

When I think of a good duel fight I think of Azel or Vergil because you have to actually study the opponent and find openings and react to them not wait to dodge and then button mash.
>>382828409
Yes it is, watch this video here >>382827020 he dodges every single thing.

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>>382828749
It's a different way of doing things that isn't objectively better or worse than the way jeanne or those two were done. Your personal preferences can dislike it, but they're just that, personal preferences.

>>382828749
Git gud.

>>382828952
>Casualizing an action game isn't objectively worse
Next you're going to tell me that DmC vs DMC3 is a personal preference.

>>382829219
Boo hoo.

Baad booy~

>>382800505
Short Hair Bayo is a much more appealing design

>>382829219
Both games are pretty shit desu.

>>382829839
Bayonetta and DMC3 are good, DmC and Bayonetta 2 are shit.

>>382829942
DMC3 is the most overrated piece of shit since Chrono Trigger.

>>382829942
Why do white boys always treat their opinions as facts?

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>>382829640
I dislike her outfit. It feels way too busy and looks like all those lose hanging hair and jewelry would fly around and hit her in the face when fighting.

>>382830263
>Judging outfits on what is practical
>Bayonetta
Come the fuck on now

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>>382830040
Overrated or not, it's still a good action game that people still play to this day whereas most high level Bayonetta players dropped the second one after a week.

Really gets those almonds activated.

>ITT: one single austist responds to every post with mountains of text

Relax dude it's a video game

>>382830742

Bayo is my actual wife though

>>382830742
>ITT: White people

Ftfy

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>>382821592
No, Jeanne is for Cerza, you can have Luka once Rodin is done with his ass.

>that tfw feel when no little Cereza daughteru

>>382831110
N-no, Bayonetta said she likes making babies!

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>>382800845
>good thread
>on /v/

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>>382831467
>Implying Jeanne isn't going to impregnate Bayo with her Umbran Cock

>>382832541
I wonder what Hideki thinks of these

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>>382816957
>Personally I liked the the fact that Bayo 2 relied more on UC and WT, it made the fights feel more epic (please excuse the use of a meme word), and I also never liked the fact that only specific moves in Bayo 1 would give you witch time.

I wish Bayonetta was my bff

great thread guys

>>382832819
IIRC he was upset because Bayo would be the dom, not Jeanne. Not this specific one, but Bayo porn as a whole.

>>382833521
He clearly doesn't know how sexuality works if he thinks dominant loudmouths are usually that way in bed

>>382833804
But Anonymous knows it all ofc

>>382833521
His fault for not giving us detailed sex scenes

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>>382832819
He and Shimazaki have probably had long detailed discussions about how Jeanne and Bayo would bang each other.

>>382833521
>>382833804
He also said that "A girl should be a pussycat in a bed" when asked about Bayo looking passive on her daki. I wouldn't take all his twitter comments as him being 101% serious (he also once tweeted that he was virgin, and I seen people actually believe that he was being serious).

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>>382834749
Kamiya is definitely a virgin though.

>>382834749
How would a dakimakura take an active role?

>>382833521
Truly, the thought of Bayo subbing for anyone but her umbran sister and her gigantic wicked cock is just wrong.

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>>382834940
I can definitely believe he gave virgin birth to his daughter.

>>382833521
>>382834749

>KAMIYA UPSET ABOUT PORNOGRAPHIC BAYONETTA
>Action auteur and Bayonetta creator Hideki Kamiya seems pretty peeved on the adult-themed portrayals of his titular witch. Posting a twitter message, Kamiya-san stated, “It seems there’s pornographic doujinshi based off Bayonetta… There are fans who will resent that, and I hardly think those responsible [for the doujinshi] hold any love for the game…”

Now which fucking is it? That guy says something else whenever you ask him

>>382829219
>the boss being proficient at dodging and you having to dodge continuously to chain you combos make the game somewhat more casual
>when you can simply Wicked Weaves the shit out of Jeanne

I've honestly had more trouble Pure Plat Bayo 2 than 1. 1 is a complete joke once you know how to dodge offset

>>382836218
Fuck that rocket ride though. Fuck. It.

>>382833521
The artists actually did listen to that and made her more dominant after that kek.

>>382836218
>Witch Time
>Combo
>Witch Time
>Combo
>Witch Time
>Combo
Wow so hard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf-pAVkV90g

>>382833804
There is a differene between natural dominance and just being a bratty loudmouth

>>382836996
>Throw out the fastest weave you can
>Combo
>Throw out the fastest weave you can
>Combo
>QTE punching
>Throw out the fastest weave you can
>Combo
>Throw out the fastest weave you can
>Combo
>QTE punching

Yeah so much better than Bayo 2.

>>382800784
>still salty
lol

>>382800505
>TFW when you're not allowed to like both.

Seriously guys, I know it's mandatory to shitpost but usually you just shit on people playing on another console or who like another franchise... This Bayo debate is a stupid civil war.

>>382836158
He teased Bayo 3 on his instagram even though it was an obvious stupid joke, he knew people would go wild. He is just having fun fucking with people.

>>382837384
If you're just spamming Weaves in the first one it will negatively effect your multiplier which will in turn reduce your rank. Bayonetta 2's scoring is completely different.

So yes the first one is much better, the only point you have are the rocket QTEs which are cancer but mechanically the fight is objectively better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7CMMDQBjGQ

>>382815661
>VJ3
Goddamnit Kamiya stop playing with my heart.

>>382800505
>still being mad
Just move on, anon.

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>>382800505
Short hair Bayo > long hair Bayo
Scarf Luka > Chaps Luka
Long hair Jeanne > Short hair Jeanne
Santa Rodin > Weeb Rodin > Duster Rodin

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>>382815661
https://www.instagram.com/p/BWHmy1mA4QB/

I like Bayonetta2 much more.
Hope they port that to the Switch.

>>382838401
Have you been living under a rock?

So we all agree that the first one was better, good to know.

>>382841079
I think you mean
>People are still this upset that 2 was a WiiU game
Great to know

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>>382841428
I think you mean
>console war shitters are casual
Bayo 1 is better than 2. Fact.

>>382842438
>QTE-filled clunky mess better than 2
nah, I'll take 2's QoL changes over 1 any day, even if the combat is a little worse.

>>382844146
>a little worse
The combat is way fucking worse.

bumperino originaldo

>>382844470
it's almost the same, you're exaggerating.

>>382800505
Except for the gameplay

Suck my dick as forgetful as Bayo 2 was, it's combat was fucking orgasmic.

>>382846058
Pure platinum both of them then tell me if they're almost the same. Bayonetta 2 casualized the fuck out of the combat.

>tfw bought WiiU only for Bayo2
>its now collecting dust
It was worth it, i just hope Bayo3 isn't a switch exclusive

>>382846058
>Game entirely balanced around Witch Time and Umbran Climax (Press a button and I won mode)
>Almost the same
You can't even launch enemies without one of those two things.

>>382846373
>>382846434
I don't particularly care

>>382846592
Then you just proved my point about console war shitters. I loved Bayo 2 but it was definitely a step down from 1 in terms of combat. I really hope Bayo 3 combines the combat of 1 with the level design of 2.

>>382846373
>Bayonetta 2 casualized the fuck out of the combat
Which is fine unless you're an autistic fuck who plans to spend hundreds of hours to practice it to perfection. Pure plating father Rodin wasn't a challenge, it was an autism test

>>382846878
>Which is fine
The game restricting combos to Witch Time and Umbran Climax isn't fine, I'm not someone who pours hundreds of hours into these games but the changes were noticeable to me right from the start.

>>382846854
but I agree that bayo 2 was a step down, just not as much as >>382844470 put it. It is largely the same, but it is definitely worse as well. I still prefer bayo 2 for it's general QoL changes, like dropping QTEs and the minigame-tier bullshit the first game was stuffed with.

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>>382846878
Why do you even play video games if not to master them? Why pay $60 for something you're going to beat once then never touch again? Why are you here?

>>382847107
>but I agree that bayo 2 was a step down
*in combat

>>382847065
Call me a casual then, i enjoyed Bayo2 a fuckton more, it felt more replayable than the first one

>>382847107
Anon both of those (You)s are me.

>>382847206
>Spending hundreds of hours of something just to say you've mastered it by sucking every ounce of fun you can out of the game
Go speedrun, you autistic faggot.

>>382800505
>let's not actually play bayonetta 2
Keep crying.

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>>382847206
>pay $60
I really need to love a game to 100% it and i can count those on one hand.

>>382847297
well I think you exaggerated when you said the combat is "way fucking worse".

>>382801621
>climax feels too required
Okay so then you're just casual. Alright guys go home, OP is just a casual faggot who can't into cuhrayzee.

/thread

>>382847223
I felt the opposite because combat was just entering Witch Time and then doing a combo for a few seconds, Wicked Weaves being nerfed to high heaven didn't help either.
The first game has a lot of classic Kamiya bullshit in it but at least it lets me play it how I want for the most part and Infinite Climax was satisfying to play opposed to Bayonetta 2's which can be summed up with this video >>382827020.

>>382847309
>just to say you've mastered it
you don't need to because just being good at something is fun by itself.
everyone who claims otherwise is someone who's never been good at anything at all every time. practicing at video games is pretty fast and easy anyways so it's a really easy something to be good at.

if you don't give a fuck about being good at a particular video game that's fine, but saying there's no fun in being good at any of them at all just signals everyone you've never been there.

>>382847457
But it is. Just look at the Balder fights where he dodges every attack unless you witch time or climax making you have to stand around waiting for him to attack. Bayo 1 rewarded an aggressive playstyle. Bayo 2 rewarded a defensive playstyle.

>>382807325
>reliance on witch time
You know you can parry shit right?

This whole thread comes down to "guys how do I Bayo 2 combat?"

>>382847859
>Bayo 2 rewarded a defensive playstyle.
This isn't a bad thing though, God Hand is a very defensive game and is fucking amazing. The problem with Bayonetta 2 is that it forces you to play a certain way especially if you want to go for Pure Plats which is definitely not ok in an action game.

>>382848024
Meaning you still have to wait for them to attack first. The fun Bayo 1 was beating the fuck out of enemies before they even got a chance to attack not waiting around so you can counter. This isn't Dark Souls nigga.

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>>382823530
And with best girl

>two sets of guns for some reason
>twin swords were just a weaker shuraba
>undine is good
>bow is too weird to use as a main weapon
>angel weapons suck
>every heavy weapon sucks because enemies start moving to fast on higher difficulties
>by the time you get Rodin you don't need it
How did they mess this up on such a basic level?

>>382811925
>peach skin
>bowser punches and kicks
Pretty cool tbqh. Also the chain chomp is pretty op for such a silly weapon.

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wow it really truly is one fucking spazatron in this thread freaking out over minute bullshit

>>382822026
But same with us too. Wiiu port of Bayo one is so laggy it's sad. I really wanna have fun with it.

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>>382848746
Reminder that the Xbox One X will provide the definitive version of the definitive Bayonetta game.

>>382848856
Not so fast fucktard, it's on Steam and it has a wonderful port.

>>382848990
Xbox One X is more powerful than 90% of PCs out there.

>>382828173
>not parrying
What a casual faggot. I play with moon and mask. If you're gonna say that about Bayo 2, I'll have you remember gracious and glorious you couldn't even witch time. Also balderdash boss fight on infinite climax boiled down to that as well.

You have no fcking argument other than you're shit at the game. Stop posting.

>>382849257
>I'll have you remember gracious and glorious you couldn't even witch time.
That's why they're a good fight because the fight is reduced to a single game mechanic.

>>382831079
It's because other races can't form a complete sentence. :^)

>>382848746
The Wii U Bayo port was handled by Platinum themselves, it works fine and nothing unlike the accident that was the PS3 version.
Glad they took note of what happened there.

>>382836158
He said that Bayos a top, but most hentai depicts her as a bottom. He's just pissed about that.

>>382848214
You dot have to wait for shit. You can attack them first, what are tey gonna do, dodge Ito punish? Your parry can cancel any animation you were in.

Just admit it, you never used it.

>>382850426
Balder literally dodges every attack dumbass.

>>382850426
>what are tey gonna do, dodge Ito punish
They break your fucking combos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HcvGEHRS9Q&t=8s
This video pretty much sums up why Bayonetta 1 combat is better than 2.

>>382852026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wnswf_UMsY