>wake up >start the greatest rpg of all time >literally

>>382771227
You're doing the game more harm than good

How did Gothic become a meme game?

>>382771227
it's not morrowind so i guess you mixed up your pictures

>>382771328
One autist is all it takes.

>>382771328
By not being an actual RPG yet Gothic babbies being constantly triggered by Morrowind patricians.

>>382771227
By continuing making these "Greatest RPG's of all Time" threads you're deteriorating Gothic II quality by turning it into a meme game.

>>382771734
And this is why I support big pharmaceutical companies shoving pills down children's throats. So they don't end up like that loser.

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>>382771912
>>382771907
>>382771830
>>382771734

literally same fag

>>382771984
Get a job.

>G*rmans make 1 (one) game that's not a simulator
>Instantly call it the greatest RPG of all time (even though it's not even an RPG)

Really hastens my gray matter...

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>>382771912
MOST
C O M F Y
O
M
F
Y

>>382772180
The outer circle is most comfy, not the castle though

>>382772180
That's a visual diarrhoea, not comfy.

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Telvanni Greatest House

>>382772361
A shame (not really) they are all dead.
All that is left is the guy pretending to be Neloth.

It is good to see the only house worth a fuck survived at least.

>>382772687

it is a strange choice by Bethesda to 'wipe' the morrowind province of one of the games history.

Every person and place you knew is gone. It may as well not be called Morrowind anymore as its entirely different in appearance and culture

>>382772361
Yes but no.

House Dres best taverns.

>implying the greatest rpg of all time isn't vampire the masquerade bloodlines.

>>382772807
The decision is an indicator of how they unconsciously (or maybe consciously) tried to wash away a past that shadowed over their present.

by doing so, it does so even more harm, as they are even more far from that pinnacle.
t. Jung

>>382773021
Or the fans of Morrowind are such insufferable cunts Bethesda are actively trying to drive them away or at the very least say Fuck You.

>>382772903

is it good? never touched it

>>382772903
It has been 50 years have the fans fixed it yet?

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>>382772687
>MUH GRAVITY
I prefer floating the fuck away to my mushroom tower and "experimenting" with my clones, thank you very much.
>implying anyone other than Best Wizard matters

>>382772807
Almost as if it's symbolic of their abandonment of Morrowind and all that made it good

>>382772903
>implying there is really any one greatest rpg
They're too different to compare.

>>382773334
I think it's a flawed masterpiece. Clunky as fuck and unfinished in some parts, but also pretty amazing in all other respects.

>>382773431
Anon doesn't know.
I hate to beak it to you but I needed a pauldron and...well he ..he didn't make anon.

>>382772807

It's the island of VVanderfell that got fucked, the rest of the province is still there

>>382773609
Not canon

>>382771296
This, I like the game but you're really killing it. Bad impressions and I'm fucking sick of seeing these threads.

>>382773306
that applies as well to what I said.

Fuck you - Fuck them.

it's clear that today's Bethesda is not Morrowind's Bethesda; nor is the critical mass of TES fans from today the same as before.

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Did you pay, /v/?

>>382773334
yes its definetly worth playing, the last true rpg out there, but if you play it make sure to download the unofficial patch for it.

>>382772180
Woah rainnn so comfyyy /v/ woaaow comfy!!!!
yes I'm fucking triggered fuck you

I love TES games, I see gothic series is on sale.
Should I /v/?

>>382774039
They're very different hence all the shitposting from fans of either who can't appreciate variety, but yes, you should, just not on Steam. Get them on GOG, if anything.

When did Gothic I come out?

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>>382771227
Look out, real best rpg coming through.

>>382773762
In my game it is.
That is how it works with Bethesda games.

>>382774162
2001, 2002 and 2005 (I -> II -> III)

>>382774162
1922

I tried Gothic 3 for about a minute, does it get good?

>>382774226
Well not really, since that would make continuity in lore pretty impossible, and don't give me some alternate universe bullshit.
You can do whatever, slaughter every person in Vvardenfell if you feel like it, but that doesn't make it canon. It was just Vivec's fever dream

>>382771227
Is this Gothic 1 or 2?
Can Gothic 1 be skipped?

>>382771912
I thought shoving pills down kids throats turned them into weirdos?

>>382774116
why not on steam?

>>382774514
Gothic 1 can be skipped, you can pretend to have amnesia in the 2nd. But why skip it, it's fucking great too.

>>382774387
nope, not really.

>>382774387
Not particularly. Most fans of the first two hate it.

>>382774590
Because it's fucked, like nearly every older game on Steam, and requires you to manually install patches, whereas GOG already has all the necessary fixes and patches included in the install. Never buy "classic" games on Steam if you can avoid it, they don't bother doing any quality control at all. And, of course, GOG is entirely DRM-free.

How's the combat in Gothic? Fun? Souls-like?
Or shit tier?

>>382775257
Its weird, but its fun. I first played it recently and to continue attacking quickly and with more damage, you gotta attack again at the right time in the animation or else you gotta start the 'combo' over. Once you upgrade the weapon skill enough the animations change and you gotta learn the timing again, but its quicker and has higher damage obviously. I'm not sure if I'm explaining it well but thats the best I can do

this is just getting sad.

>>382774413
They use the Schroedingers cat method of handling continuity.
Until they open the box(state something as canon) the cat is both alive and dead.

That is what the Dragon Break was made to do.
Make every playthrough valid from Daggerfall.

So yes the universe in any player game i very much true to what they did.

High level events are canon.If you took part in them is up to you.
An example
The Emperor got assassinated by the DB in Skyrim.Whether it was you o not was up to you.

>>382775257
It's not bad. Kind of weird and outdated. The controls are somewhat clunky but you can get used to them pretty quickly. Definitely not Souls like.

The key is learning enemy attacks so you can time your own attacks and blocks (vs humans/orcs) well.

>>382775526
Yes, and all we're talking about is what's been stated as canon, not whether random dunmer bandit #48 was killed or not.

>>382771227
Is that oblivion? I prefer Skyrim myself

>>382773925
Yeah but then i pickpocketed him and bashed him to the ground after joining the merc

>>382771227
Is it true that you have to install 5-6 patches for this game to work on modern day PC?

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>>382772180
Or, you know, you could not be a complete degenerate and install some visually enhancing mods so your lovely game doesn't look like it's a turd anymore?

>>382774798
just checked gog. it's $10 just for gothic 2. But on steam I can get all 3 for $4...
FUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>>382775921
Yeah, you've missed the GOG sale. Well, you can either wait until they go on sale again or pirate the GOG version, which is easy since it's DRM-free.

>>382775808
On steam. And its not that many patches, I don't even remember what I did but I just edited a few settings in the files

>>382775808
Yes on Steam, no on GOG.

>>382776004
oh yeah. ill just pirate the games lol

>>382772180
would it have killed you to enable anisotropic filtering?

>>382775665
I don't believe Fyr has even been mentioned since Morrowind never mind made an appearance.

What did I miss?

>>382776076
Just demo it until it goes on sale.

>Morrowind is shilled all the time on /v/
>play it
>it's shit

>BG is shilled all the time on /v/
>play it
>it's shit

>Gothic is shilled all the time on /v/
Oh boy, do I give it a shot?

>>382775574
>not bad
in the same way Witcher 3 is 'not bad'?

>>382776956
It's completely different than W3

>>382776927
>anon posts on /v/
>his opinions are shit

>anon posts on /v/ again
>his opinions are shit

>anon posts on /v/ again
Oh boy, do I reply?

>>382772807
>>382772687
You're fucking idiots that dont know shit

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>>382776927
yea the only game they shill thats worth anything is new vegas desu

>>382774413
Yes really, that's pretty much how TES canon works, at least for major quests at the very least
All guild questlines were completed, by your hero or not
Skyrim throws a major spanner in the works, but inb4 dragon break

>>382777313
But that's bullshit. Where did you get that idea? Let's take the MG quest in Morrowind where you have to kill all Telvanni Councilors. Neloth is known to have survived, so obviously neither you or anyone else killed him. I'm sure there are other examples.

>>382777227
When I killed Vivec in Morrowind i received a message along the lines of you have broken the prophecy and now live in a doomed world.

After seeing what happens with a world with Vivec according to C0DA I am reassured I made the right decision.

>>382777580
Do you mean the imposter on Solstheim?

>>382778040
You can still actually complete the main quest with vivec 'dead' anyway
Anyway doesn't C0DA basically mean fuck it everything is canon?

>>382777580
I cant think of any others besides that tbqh, and i'm sure powerful telvanni mages can cheat death in one way or another

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>>382778115
>imposter
[citation needed]

Are Gothic 1 and GOthic 2 comparable in quality or should I jump straight to Gothic 2?

>>382773849
Reminds of that guy spamming retouched BotW screenshots every day a few weeks back. Great game but his behaviour was obnoxious.

>>382778270
Shouldn't killing Vivec cause the meteor to plummet lore wise?

>>382778270
Well they claim it is a freeform exploration of TES lore and there is no such thing as canon.
Well ESO and Legends aren't.
They are iffy on Bethesda as well.

So as long as you conform you are free to explore.

>>382771227
What's so good about gothic 2?

Lore?
Story?
Characters?
Gamepaly?

What's the appeal?

>>382778359
I killed him in Morrowind.

>>382778270
No, they can't. It just didn't happen. I don't know why you want it to be the case but there's no reason to think it works like that(every questline happens regardless of whether you do it or not). There's plenty to contradict it. Such as Vivec himself. If he was killed by Nerevarine, it definitely didn't happen at the time you would do it in the game in the Main Quest.

>>382778787
But I didn't. #BTFO

>>382778601
Perhaps, but I dont believe you can actually kill vivec in morrowind
>It's nice never being dead, too. When I die in the world of time, then I'm completely asleep. I'm very much aware that all I have to do is choose to wake. And I'm alive again. Many times I have very deliberately tried to wait patiently, a very long, long time before choosing to wake up. And no matter how long it feels like I wait, it always appears, when I wake up, that no time has passed at all. That is the god place. The place out of time, where everything is always happening, all at once.
Maybe fucking with the heart, but then we get stuck on CHIM

>>382778887
I never said the Nerevarine killed vivec in canon
Tell me besides Neloth how it is contradicted, and i'm fairly certain that powerful mages know a thing or two about beating death in TES

>>382778887
Then in your game it IS Neloth.
In mine he isn't.

It isn't rocket science it isn't even bicycle science.

>>382772807
Todd was thinking if kill morrowind the nagging stops and he has not listen anymore people saying skyrim is shit and for normys.

>>382775837
oh shit two hand pala.

I did go the one handed route and was always missing shields. I really wish they added shields in to G2

>>382779183
>Perhaps, but I dont believe you can actually kill vivec in morrowind

Judging from the quote that would seem correct, but then the question is why he chooses to to reincarnate if the Nerevarine kills him.

>>382779183
Just go browse quests on wiki, you'll probably find some.
Why are you certain?

>>382779329
So you're just renouncing the concept of TES canon, history, lore that's independent of some of the choices you make in-game. Fair enough, but that basically means you're making it into your own setting, in which case you're not even arguing about the same thing I am.

>>382775837
Arguably looks worse my man

>>382771227
i see you accidentally posted an image from gothic 2 when in fact you meant to post an image from morrowind, an honest mistake im sure.

>>382779486
Out of game we have things like the Trial of Vivec, and people in Oblivion talking that Vivec has gone missing as a recent rumor
But as for why, I'm not sure, though it's not like he's gone, he's back in an instant, he just has to open his eyes, from the sounds of it he seems like he's tried to stay dead for some time, only to come back in a moment when he opens his eyes

>>382779329
Why bother talking about TES lore if you're just assuming that everything possible in the game is canon? There's no fun in that.

>>382779696
You're both forgetting that he's no longer a god once the heart is rekt.

>>382779628
I'm not certain, it's what I believe is the most credible explanation though, most nothing in certain in TES lore though
And telling me to find them myself isn't a good way to provide evidence, I haven't played the games in a long time, can't you drum up any more examples besides Neloth?

>>382779763
>but then we get stuck on CHIM

>>382779756
There is far more TES lore crammed in books and snippets of dialogues than there is most quests in game anyways

>>382772361
>"So epik and quirky" Reddit mage house
No thank you!

>>382779756
c0da

>>382779782
Why do you think I remember the details? I don't hold Elder Scrolls lore in high enough esteem to memorize most things. I'd have to check the wiki too, that's why I'm telling you to do it yourself.

>>382779756
Basically non-canon stuff like c0da and CHIM were popularized by Reddit, completely ruining the setting.

>>382779763
I'm talking about killing him before destroying the heart

>>382779696
That would make him appear instantaneously from the Nerevarine's POV. Or time will loop back once he does it.

>>382779892
Fuck c0da.

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>>382779892
>mfw Bethesda is inching towards making c0da canon
I knew my man Todd still had it

>>382779923
But I have literally no idea what the fuck i'm going to look for
You're basically telling me to peruse all quests that might be referenced at some point in one of the other games, when I can barely remember the main plotlines for them all
If you want evidence for your argument, find it yourself

>>382779990
>popularized
Did it ruin the setting because leddit can't help come up with a shit tonne of retarded theories
MK stuff appears in the games even after he left Bethesda anyway

>>382779756
Tell C0DAfags that and they will cut you.
The Neloth/not Neloth debate does not impact anything of import so being "right" about it isn't important.

>Gothic 2, a fucking PC exclusive looks worse than OoT, a console game that came out 4 years before it
What went wrong, PC bros?

>>382779990
How does the setting get ruined by stupid theories? Impressionable much?

>>382780279
if youre an autist that takes canon too seriously, c0da is cool and MK is the only reason TES lore is even remotely interesting

>>382780162
I don't care enough about the "argument" to find it for you. I already gave you evidence and you just made something up. There's no reason to assume he can come back from the dead. If you can provide evidence to the contrary, then I'll concede that you *might* be right without having dug through the wiki.

This is a real man's game. Even if you don't like rpg you should try it. Don't let reddit tell you that /v/ is shilling bad games. I have never been let down by /v/

>System shock 1&2
God tier

>Deus Ex
God tier

>Doom 1&2
God tier

>Thief 1&2
God tier

>Blood
God tier

>Gothic I & II
God tier

>>382780162
Don't get why people put so much stock in Cuckbride, a guy who's ideal Elder Scrolls game was Redguard. He didn't even start working on Elder Scrolls until then, he had nothing to do with creating the setting. Even Todd was around since Arena.

>>382780279
Because the idea of c0da is essentially that everything and nothing is true or "canon". It rejects the concept of canon, which is contrary to the very idea of a setting. It just devalues the lore, despite there being many interesting tidbits in the ideas.

>>382780485
>he had nothing to do with creating the setting
his contributions are what made TES unique, and his absence is part of the disappointing turn that the series took

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>>382778785
crafted world.

>>382771907
I've always assumed that "Gothicfag," who goes into threads focused on Witcher and other games to shit on them, did that, and that the hyperbolic meme threads came later to mock him. Who knows if OP has even played Gothic.

>>382776956
Way below Witcher. People need to stop playing the Souls games as their first "RPG" only to be surprised when actual RPGs don't have a similar focus on combat. If you like Dark Souls the genre you'll want to get into is hack and slash.

>>382778785
Gameplay really. The game offers a lot in terms of choice (apprenticeship and faction you choose has major effect on content you encounter) and the quest design (no handholding but many ways to resolve each quest if you're creative) is really good. In general, NPC interaction is some of the best I've encountered since playing Majora's Mask.

>>382780485
Todd got in as daggerfall was in development

>>382780657
But the disappointing turn started after he joined, Daggerfall was the last Elder Scrolls game that was a straight up improvement. Or do you think RPing as your Mary Sue on the Elder Scrolls forums is "improving the setting"? Cringe thread? I also like how Numalewindrones are so starved for attention that they post in Gothic and other Elder Scrolls games threads.

>>382780402
But one case never means shit, especially when it comes to 1/5 crazy ass wizards still being alive, if you can find me multiple examples proving me wrong then i'd be fucking happy to accept it
Hell, it's not even like a side quest that can only be done after the main quest is a good example, take for instance the entire Oblivion DB which transpired with or without you

>>382780485
Because he made up the basis for the setting after it was massively revamped from Daggerfall to Morrowind, and as such gave us the basis of TES lore today?
The guys an asshole, and is probably an autist, but he was a bretty damn good fantasy writer, especially when he's not going off the deep end
He turned TES from a generic fantasy to a generic fantasy thats actually fucking wild as fuck under the hood
That's why he gets respect, to be fair to him though, Kurt does well

>>382780121
Have you seen the ESO references to C0DA?
They aren't laughing with you anon.

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>>382778785
Lore sucks in Gothic series, it's generic medieval stuff. Story is pretty good in G1, but is trash in G2, because they thought it's gonna be the first and the last game, so when first Gothic became successful they had to shit out a sequel, retconning the ending and coming up with a bullshit story in a few weeks.

Other than that, it's fantastic when it comes to characters, dialogues, skill dependent combat system, and most importantly, the best level design in the entire vidya industry. The only handcrafted openworld in history, done with a quality over quantity mentality. Something that no other developer ever understood. German mentality vs American at it's finest. In TES games for example, it's the opposite. Fantastic lore and stories, but disgusting half empty levels full of grinding, respawning enemies, autoleveling and randomized loot.

In Gothic everything is small, but comfy. Every place is filled with unique loot to find. Every enemy encounter is deadly, and it's super rewarding to kill them, not only in pure ecstasy of finding out how to defeat your foes, but since enemies never respawn randomly, clearing the place actually helps you traveling in the future. Everything in the game is super rewarding to do, it's the only example of a game where all things matter.

>>382780803
>Retconns are okay when Reddit approves of them!
The absolute state of Numalewind shills.

>>382780557
Shocking. And I have to care about this why exactly?

>>382780973
Retcons are always fucking happening, especially in TES, remember how Cyrodiil was a jungle you fucking newfag spastic?

>>382780797
ill have to disagree with the first sentance as its a matter of opinion, but i cant decipher anything you posted after it.

>>382780973
>numalewind
way to make yourself sound like an absolute cuckold

>>382780803
It was basically a straight rip of Hindu mysticism.
Now by not even changing Kalpa to to some version of MK l33t speak he isn't even trying to hide it anymore.

Having a real job is cutting into his TES creativity time.

>>382781058
I hope you're not insinuating that Morrowindfags don't get butthurt over the jungle being gone on a daily basis.

>>382780973
>numalewind
Jesus christ man you're making a fool out of yourself

>>382781213
>It was basically a straight rip of Hindu mysticism.
its nice to take a break from tolkien for a bit though

>>382781171
t. Numale.

>>382781058
> retcons are bad
> member Oblivion?

What kind of whataboutism is this? Either you have zero logic and just spout nonsense, completely missing the point he made, or you just want to shit on Oblivion for no reason, bringing it up because it's a popular thing to do lately, parroting opinions like a moron you are.

>>382781338
t. projecting faggot

>>382771296
>implying this wasn't the purpose of the thread from the very beginning

>>382780973
Holy shit I didn't realise that you're a daggerfag
I love the game but fucking hell kys retard

>>382781213
So fucking what, can you find me some original fantasy, because western RPGs dont tend to dip into Hindu Mysticism, it's usually just ancient or middle age euro shit every time, no metaphysics and crazy shit

>>382781257
I'd hope not otherwise they'd have been in pain for a long while now
You seem pretty butthurt that the generic fantasy of Daggerfall and Arena got KIRKBRIDE'D

>>382781348
I wasn't shitting on Oblivion you overly defensive faggot, I was pointing out the series has a bunch of retcons you fucking stupid cunt

>>382781401
>P-projecting
Kek. I like how Morrowindfags can't deny it, because they know it's true.

>>382780797
>Numalewind
How mad are you? Speaking of reddit, go gather upvotes in a Daggerfall sub. You'll just get called a faggot here, and rightly so. Also, this isn't a Gothic thread so stop whining. I think Morrowind is superior to Daggerfall in pretty much every way other than a few removed skills which I'm sure you're very upset about. The gameplay in that procedurally generated borefest of a world gets incredibly dull incredibly quickly.

>>382781308
When the setting could have come from an episode of "Ancient Aliens" I am not so sure I agree with you.

>>382781490
deny what? not everyone is as insecure as you.

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>>382781501
> Also, this isn't a Gothic thread

>>382773925
Nah, mate. I always bash his head in.

>>382781537
different strokes i guess

>>382773925
yes

>>382781578
>Secure
>Has to post in a Gothic thread about Morrowind to affirm his belief in Morroiwnd
Uhm...

>>382781616
It's almost impossible to do without spending shitloads of money or abusing the game mechanics.

>>382781613
Yes, that is what I said.

>>382781683
youre doing it again

>>382781687
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQgTa7qS9wg

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>>382778423
it's a direct sequel and there are references made in the 2nd game to the first one
>mfw meeting with Saturas in the 2nd game

>>382781747
If you're secure then why are you trying to get affirmation on the internet, anon?

AND THE TREES
AND ANIMALS
WERE ALSO WASHED AWAY

>>382781858
on an anonymous imageboard no less, im just trying to get you to understand that you're retarded

>>382781479
He didn't base it on anything he straight ripped it off.
The whole wheel seen from the side thing..not his idea.

I get it it is new to you but it is over 4 thousand years old.

>>382781954
So you're so insecure that you try to get other people to believe things that simply aren't true just so you can feel better? Looks like you've got some growing up to do, buddy.

>>382782053
you dont even realise that youre doing it do you?

>>382771227
forgot the line where you have to patch it first

>>382782127
Anon. Now it looks like you're the person who's projecting. What's on your mind?

>>382780698
>If you like Dark Souls the genre you'll want to get into is hack and slash.

Eh, no. One of the biggest reasons why Dark Souls is good is because of a combination of how interesting its environments are to explore and how the way you decide to approach it affects how the game plays out.

It's frankly more of a proper role-playing experience than most RPGs because of how it puts you on the spot and incentivizes you to think through your actions and what their likely consequences will be while also rewarding unorthodox approaches.

>In general, NPC interaction is some of the best I've encountered since playing Majora's Mask.

Ok, that's really interesting, since I haven't heard of much that get praised specifically in comparison to MM like this.

>>382782184
and there it is, cognitive dissonance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYGUgCaai4o&feature=youtu.be

>>382782206
>Dark Souls
>interesting environments
Surely, this post is satire?

>>382782035
Right, okay, he ripped it off, just like most media is a rip off of something
It doesn't change the argument you fucking moron
Show me a unique original fantasy with no basis in any historical fact, myth or legend
Show me all the RPGs with lore based off fucking hindu mythology, because it's still wild compared to the western norm you fucking dolt

>>382782249
Anon, do you actually know what cognitive dissonance is, or did you just hear some big words and try to use them? You can google it, if you'd like, I won't hold it against you.

>>382780698
>Way below Witcher.
HAHAHAHAHAHAH

This guys seriously thinks the turd that is TW3 is better than Gothic?

I CAN'T EVEN

>>382782401
whatever soothes your ego big guy

>>382782358
I sincerely hope you're not comparing, for example. Tolkienn's Middle-Earth setting, which is built upon on a foundation of history, myths and legends with Kirkbride's copy-paste job.

>>382782325
Are you seriously fucking kidding me? What else besides Zelda even has world design on par with it?

>>382782501
I'll take that as a no.

>>382782206
>It's frankly more of a proper role-playing experience than most RPGs
You have almost no agency on the plot and the world, or what little there is, other than "Link the Fire: Yes/No" at the end, hard to call it a proper RPG, in that sense even most Armored Core games are more of an RPG than any Souls game because they have proper choices and consequences which shape the world and gameplay every time you finish a mission.

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>blocks your path

>>382782517
I'm comparing fantasy as a genre you strawman attacking fucking spastic
I didn't mention Tolkien once, but since we're there now, as you fucking say, is 'built off' (IE ripped off) european history, myths and legends
You should stop, you're only making yourself seem more and more retarded

>>382782603
of course you will

>>382782786
Anon, there's no need to be so passive-aggressive. I know you're upset, but you can trust me with your feelings.

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oh shit i didn't know the MC is based on a developer

I really wanted to like Gothic 2, Played through 1 and thought it was pretty good, even if the controls took quite a while to get used to but 2 is literally broken early on because of how they messed with damage scaling in the exp pack.
It baffles me that everyone chooses to ignore this, its not a matter of game being too hard, it just doesn't work the way it's intended and it's why I'l probably never go back to it.

>>382782695
Tolkien is like an artist who draws based on a model, Kirkbride is like a person who traces someone else's picture. Certainly, they both have a basis for their work, but only one is truly praiseworthy.

>>382782859
irony

>>382782409
You are pathetic

>>382782671
>*Summons Golem*
Pfff, nuthing personnel

>>382782671
THERE HE IS

>>382782929
I had no problems finishing the expansion and it wasn't too hard. You just didn't git gud

>>382782695
You are debating two anons anon.
The one you responded to is the more reasonable one I am the more caustic one.

Tolkien took inspiration from the Kalevala but came up with his own mythos.

MK isn't even bothering to change the names anymore.
Hell even the spaceship stuff comes from Hindu Mysticism.He brought nothing new to the table.

>>382771227

Oh, "greatest rpg of all time" fag, when willst thou stoppeth your rampage of shiteposts?

>>382782949
>basis
You mean the thing they ripped off?
He didn't base it on anything he straight ripped it off.

>>382782949
i guess the analogy works, but it kirkbrides actual drawings and designs are pretty original

>>382782614
>other than "Link the Fire: Yes/No"

I'll give you that the lack of actually tying the ending to your actions and just giving you that choice independently of everything else is a cop-out that should have been handled better, but don't act like there aren't plenty of things that alter to way you approach quests and how encounters play out.

Deciding to reject Framp should definitely have been a prerequisite for the dark ending for instance, and there should have been three endings at least to factor in the major quests for completionism's sake, but the game does offer meaningful freedom and consequences in ways many don't.

>>382778601
it takes a while for the magic to wear off

>>382783130
I can't believe /v/ has sunk this low.

Is this actually fun though? Like I won't just continually be dying while I'm actually making serious attempts to find alternate solutions to problems?

I've played plenty of titles from around the period that are just needlessly hard and were never really satisfying to play or beat. I know its not an RPG but fuck Die by the Sword for this, what an absolute anus of a videogame

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>>382771227
that moment when Morrowind's movement and combat is still better than this garbage with its american accents, cringey voice acting, charmless universe, surface-deep lore, and retarded controls.

>>382783005
>a game that solves the quests for you,
>plays itself,
>quests revolve entirely around holding "X" and following red footprints then pressing a button to activate cutscene
>no proper RPG character sheet or stats, instead you just add points in some path of exile tier "+0.0005% chance to crit" perks shit
>no sense of exploration because everything is marked on your map
>loot is leveled meaning exploration is already killed from the start
>the loot that you find is just useless shit or crafting items
>combat that requires no skill, just press light attack twice, backstep, repeat for every single enemy because all the enemies have the same strategy to fighting them

If you think this is better than Gothic then you're clearly a Pole

>>382782949
>>382783109
>>382782695
>actually mentioning Tolkien and the video game idea guy in the same sentence
Please, just stop, I'm getting triggered over here

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>>382783109
So you're telling me all of kirkbrides lore was entirely unoriginal, whereas with Tolkien he came up with his own shit along with everything he based his ideas on?
And so you're saying that Kirkbride just wholly ripped off Hindu mythos, not having one original thing he added at all?
Because that seems retarded, I certainly agree Tolkien was a far better writer, but what you seem to be pretty venomous to the idea that Kirkbride did anything himself at all

>>382783445
That's because you're an autistic faggot

>>382783316
>morrowshit is so insecure about his game that he needs to come to a Gothic thread and shitpost about Morrowind because he knows Gothic is superior so he tries to shut it down

>>382783104
You are a stupid nigger.
due to how damage scaling works you are doing minimum damage during the first few hours of the game, getting new gear doesn't change that and leveling up wont either until you go over the minimum damage threshold.
This doesn't apply to enemies of course, which is why the early game is literally broken.

>>382783483
>stamina bar

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>>382783110
What the fuck is with people attempting to use archaic English words without understanding their grammar at all? What is it that makes you think you're writing correctly?

>>382783563
its not right but thats what gothic fags (fag?) have been doing in morro threads for months now, thats the only reason for this wave of gothic discussion.

>>382783483
This is what always happens when someone criticizes Morrowind. Someone posts this Webm so people start circle-jerking Morrowind and attacking the person who posts this, as if they're actually a detractor, to solidify their opinions. It's a bit pathetic, really.

I demand more ingame screenshots from Gothic 2

Convince me to play it

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>>382783483
bruh please, i've defeated a Dremora Lord at level 2.

>>382783316
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTRKrrTisSc

Gothic's combat shits on Morrowind's combat

>>382783969
you wont enjoy it unless you have autism

>>382783947
Because newfags always fall for it and there's always a steady supply of newfags. What are you gonna do.

>>382783559
Stars being holes poked through to this reality Hindu Mysticism.
Spaceships Hindu Mysticism.
The wheel seen from the side Hindu Mysticism.

I would tell you to read up on Hindu Mysticism but if you are a fan of MK you already have you just don't realize it.

Hell even CHIM is a cheap Zen knockoff.

>>382783969
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY-lrCAH_1Y&
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKPBvXPg2bU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgyHpqqtctg

>>382783563
there's a reason why Morrowind is a 90/100 while Gothic II is a mere 80/100, it's simply because Morrowind is the superior game.

what gothic is the best to get into the series

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>>382784003
You n'wah. It's just a matter of preference because they're entirely different systems. Morrowind is RPG dice-roll, meaning character-skill-based, while Gothic is player-skill-based. This really applies to most comparisons between both games. They're fundamentally different. You can enjoy both for what they are instead of looking for something in either which it doesn't aim to accomplish.
tl;dr Fuck off Morrowfags/Gothicfags, both are great games in their own ways and it's nobody's fault you can't appreciate some fucking variety.

>>382784108
But does that incorporate all of his writings does it? I wasn't aware that was all he had wrote
And the point still remains the same, it's still more wild than the standard european recycle

>>382784160
if you actually read the """"critics"""" reviews they lower the score because they complain about graphics and the game being too hard

if you take metacritic seriously you're a fucking retard

>also what is userscore

>>382784373
shoo, youre detracting from the autistic bickering

>>382784332
there's only two Gothics so it's obvious

1 is much easier than 2 so it's good to start with 1

>>382784476
i cant believe you actually responded to that

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>>382782409
The combat. The combat in Witcher 3 was far more immediately fun and less of an acquired taste than the combat in Gothic 2.

>>382783389
Overall, though, you'd have to be outright delusional to think that TW3 is a turd. Music, world size as well as variation between the three zones, visuals, sense of agency, lore, voice acting (from the like of Charles Dance no less), atmosphere, writing, attention to detail, and even combat are far beyond what you'll commonly find in any one RPG.

>no sense of exploration because everything is marked on your map
Exploration is more than whether you have access to a map or not. Arrival in Skellige, for example, was downright awe inspiring.

>>382784476
oh and yea I forgot, gothic 2 gold has a userscore of 9.1

>>382784332
3

>>382784528
Well, it's /v/, I know it's a lost cause. Most people in this thread are probably around or below 18.

>>382784734
troll post

>>382784332
Arcania. If you like it, you can go to 3 and then the first and second.

>>382784417
All he has added is speaking in his own version of l33tspeak so that is something.
That and basing a story on the old joke about the Chinese space program.

MK filtered is fine.Kuhlman can translate MK into something usable.
Straight MK no filter ,more importantly the fans thereof, are shit and a detriment to any discussion about lore.

As to my hostility towards said fanbase it is due to the C0DAfags default stance of "Not only do I have to win you have to lose.".
As a general rule they are rigid in their thinking and hostile to any dissent.

>>382785096
>calling c0dafags rigid in their thinking
they are literally anything but

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>>382783609
> the game is broken because you can't own everyone with a stick while wearing rags

disdain for plebs.jpg

check this 5

>>382785393
put more points into luck

If I was a huge fan of Morrowind and I have the $2 necessary to buy the entire Gothic series, will I enjoy it?

>>382785096
The fans are irrelevant, annoying as they may be, stop being inherently biased, it's even worse if you clearly know that and are continuing
And I still wasn't aware that was all MK's writings
And not only that, how about we start talking about shit like numenor being Atlantis? I think it's great, it's fairly obvious, does it make Tolkein a hack?
And the idea still remains, MK's Hinduism base is still less common in media than Tolkiens European mythical basis

>>382785547
probably, dont let the vocal and autistic part of the fanbase deter you, its a single player game after all

>>382785547
Most likely, but keep in mind that in Gothic combat actually takes skill and is unforgiving as fuck if you make one mistake rather than mindlessly spamming LMB in Morrowind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTRKrrTisSc

>>382785547
How the fuck do we know if you will enjoy it. Morrowind vs Gothic is a fundamental debate which is going on for 15 years. It's like a never ending holy war, where both sides are retarded. So loving one never implies that you will love the other.

You may like both, if you have some semblance of taste tho, unlike those filthy peasants, complaining about the best games the industry can offer, while nothing even close came out in more than a decade.

>>382783645
The games mechanics revolve around this system of being able to miss things even if it looks as if you should. Though it isn't apparent because you're not able to see your stats/enemies stats.

It's actually one of the more complex and unique battle systems in games like these.

>>382785864
I mean that was mostly what I was asking. Feed me information so I don't need to wade through the shitstorm that is /v/.

I hear both sides complain all the time and I wanted to know if fundamentally they were similar games that scratch the same itch and it's just your typical autism having fights over which is "better".

>>382786034
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVYrALStucs

Watch this video, you will learn everything you need to know

>>382786034
The only similarity there are is the fact that both came out around the same time, both are openworld fantasy ARPG's. That's it. Everything else is different.

Morrowind has diceroll stat based combat, Gothic has skill\timing based combat
Morrowind is alien and exotic, Gothic is bland and generic
Morrowind has cardboard characters and dead world, Gothic is alive, fully animated and has voice acting all over the place
Morrowind has great lore, Gothic is medieval generic fantasy
Morrowind is empty bloatware full of nothing out of terrain generator, Gothic is handcrafted with love and passion, where every nook and cranny is full of content

Etc etc, both have their strengths and weaknesses

>>382785548
If Tolkien told a story about King Marthur and his wizard guide Werllin you may have a point.

One took inspiration from various sources and created something very much his own creation.
One changed a few names and called it a day.

I haven't called MK a hack.He clearly has influence on actual TES lore.
What gets irritating is the whole fanon BS he brings to the table and the cadre that genuflects when you mention it.

An example
In Morowind Vivec was a victim of his own hubris.
He was a well written tragic figure that was rare in games at the time and even now there are few examples that can match it.

From that he went to the messianic zen spaceman mary sue bs he became in C0DA.

The worst thing that happened to Vivecs story is MK wouldn't stop telling it.

>>382772687
Nigger neither the ash or the argonians reached Port Telvannis.

>>382787361
So do you think outside of the main metaphysics of TES all kirkbride did was steal Hinduism
Does Hinduism even have any proper creation myths? You're drawing the lines for TES and not Tolkien, you're still seeming pretty inhertitly biased because you're buttblasted about autistic ledditors running rampant and kirkbride being the autist he is
It doesn't change shit
Tolkien took a shitload of Anglo, Celtic, Norse and other european mythology, mixed it with a chunk of european history and renamed it, is it fair to say he changed a few names and called it a day?

>>382785308
You might be shitposting, but i'm going to reply anyway.
It's not about using shitty equipment and winning everything, because it made sense to me at first when I was fighting those wasps outside the city and barely surviving every encounter because they could kill me in a few hits while I had to hit them about 5x more, It's about finally getting good equipment from the guards, a decent weapon, leveling up a bit and then dealing the same amount of damage to the wasps.
The sad part is that Gothic 1 had really good difficulty scaling as the world got harder as you progressed through the chapters, and I'm guessing 2 did as well before the fucked it up with the expansion.

>>382786510
>Morrowind is empty bloatware full of nothing out of terrain generator, Gothic is handcrafted with love and passion, where every nook and cranny is full of content
Morrowind is as handcrafted as Gothic you fucking retard.

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>>382788330
no it's not, they used a brush to create generic landscape. If you don't believe me go ahead and do some research about the game development.

Also wow such handcrafted city definitely not copypasted

And you can't even argue that Morrowind is empty as fuck because it's a fact. During your trip from Seyda Neen to Vivec all you can find is a scrib here and there and maybe some plants. That's it.

In gothic 2 there's shit ton of stuff everywhere, there's hidden items and shit to find behind every tree, rock, behind a waterfall etc.

>>382787361
Shit like this is why I'm thankful I played Morrowind, but don't have anything to do with the fanbase. I don't even know what C0DA is, and evidently that's a good thing.

>>382787665
How far away is Solstheim?
How far away is mainland Morrowind from Vvaredenfell?

Now compare the damage on Solstheim and extrapolate that to mainland Morrowind.

The evidence in game does not support your theory.

>>382788659
That's it, you stupid son of a bitch. You've really fucking done it now; you've convinced me to give Gothic 2 another shot.

I'm really not sure why I didn't like G2. I played through G1 and thought it was alright, but I just couldn't get into the sequel. But fuck man, you guys in these threads make Gothic 2 sound awesome.

>>382788659
>no it's not, they used a brush to create generic landscape.
Creating an elevation model has jack to do with the landscape, it's standard game design, the important thing is how they feeded the algorithm with parameters that make sense.
The Red Mountain and mountain Kand is elevated while the Grazelands are plains, there's variation and the elevation pattern feels natural.
What's important is that the dungeons (even if cell-based) and everything else is handcrafted.

>Also wow such handcrafted city definitely not copypasted
You're a fucking moron, do you see me saying the Old Camp is copypasted because most shacks look the same?
>And you can't even argue that Morrowind is empty as fuck because it's a fact.
No, it isn't, the best game-breaking equipment in the game is thrown around in random caves around the world as long as you're a bad enough dude to go get it. Exploring in Morrowind is far more rewarding than in Gothic.

>>382788867
Port Telvannis isn't in mainlaind Morrowind, but in another isle.
It's further away from Vvardenfell than Solstheim.

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Never played it, but it looks like a mashup between Morrowind and Fable in terms of visuals. What's the gameplay like? Action rpg or crpg dice rolls?

Do I download the official patch or the unpatch for Gothic 1?

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>>382789019
>Morrowind is far more rewarding than in Gothic.
Sure. So you haven't played Gothic 2?

Gothic 2's world design is fully handcrafted because it contains paths on multiple levels that overlap. For example a path that has a bridge above it which is a completely different path leading somewhere else. There's no such thing in morrowind

>>382787917
No that would not be a fair assessment.

The equivalent would be if Tolkien had the god be Nowah and send his son Jeebus to help the folks of NotYurop defeat the forces of Satin.

Don't focus on my bias.If we all ignored our biases things would get boring fast.
Focus on my points.

I am unclear on the first line.
I am saying TES metaphysics is a rebranded Hindu Mysticism.
Things like the Nine Divines existed before.
The Daedra existed before.
I am unsure if the Hist was MK or from prior games.Any oldfags know?
If that was him that is something original.

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>>382789854
Here's what I'm talking about

You see the bridge on top, this is a whole different path that overlaps with the path below it. Morrowind is just one big landscape on the same plane

>>382789130

watch this video
>>382786147

and read this
>>382780835


That's all you need.

>>382789854
>Sure. So you haven't played Gothic 2?
I have played every Gothic game except 3, and I have found more unique and special loot in Morrowind than in G2 but nice non-argument, it shows how desperate you are.

>Gothic 2's world design is fully handcrafted because it contains paths on multiple levels that overlap.
That's not what makes something handcrafted, I could also throw some non-sense saying that Morrowind's world design is fully handcrafted because it contains complete 3D exploration making use of the levitation mechanic.

There's also bridges with roads below in Morrowind, well, only one that I recall but it's not like Gothic has more than 2 iirc.

>>382789920
The Nine divines did exist before, same as the daedra, regardless they existed as different entities before kirkbride joined, and were expanded upon greatly thereafter
So you don't know of any major Hindu creation myths? I ask so we could compare the TES creation myth
The Hist most certainly appear in morrowind under kirkbrides writings too, see the anuad and maybe the pocket guides I can't quite recall, as to if the concept was pre Morrowind, I can't say

>>382789854
>For example a path that has a bridge above it which is a completely different path leading somewhere else. There's no such thing in morrowind
Yes, there are in fact several. Goes to show you haven't played it much.

>>382782409
This. Witcher fags get the fuck out.

>>382790412
MK wasn't the only one working on the lore.
Kuhlman,Rolston,Peterson, hell even Todd Howard all worked on the lore.

MKs main addition was the metaphysics.He was basically the Big Picture guy.

A side note the Lovecraftian quests are Todd Howard and Kuhlmans thing.

Is there a way to get the depth haze not popping in? It suddenly pops in and out in certain places.

Is there a way to get shadows to stop flickering? They do the same as the fog, they randomly flicker in and out, depending on where the character stands in current area.

>>382790412
Well it does have a sleeping god when he wakes destroys the universe and starts a new Kalpa the next time he sleeps.

>>382791656
Some worked on the inital design, but MK was the main writer of lore for Morrowind, it's simply undeniable, the team was running on fumes at points, they were all chipping in in all areas, they had like 6 guys at one point
And Kuhlman does a lot of good, but a lot of it is off MK, they do work best in tandem for sure
Todd deserves some slack nowadays too, I do miss small struggling Bethesda though, they certainly gave more of a shit about putting as much into the game as they could back then

>>382792090
That's bretty interesting, but no actual myths about the creation of life and whatnot?

>>382790331
In Gothic items are non respawnable, enemies are not respawning, and the amount of gold you can get is limited if you don't abuse bugs. That alone is the reason why everything feels so special, while in TES everything is nothing but a chore full of grind. Loot except for artifacts and very few unique things is meaningless, money don't have any value since all the stuff you can find is better than anything you can buy, and training is useless until late game, when you have millions of coins.

To finish Gothic 2 without abusing glitches and see 100% the game can offer, you will need to find almost every single little nugget, berry and arrow lying in the bushes. TES hoarding is a joke in comparison. Anyone who have some experience with those games drop the idea of collecting useless loot a few hours after starting the game.

>>382792248
>they certainly gave more of a shit about putting as much into the game as they could back then
Was gonna add to this, obviously the studio going under was a big incentive, but I think it was a group of classic old school RPG loving nerds back then, rather than new bethesda

>tfw getting 2shotted by grim and his two digger fuccbois
fuck this game

>>382782019
This is mod-free? Looks pretty good desu

>>382792290
>In Gothic items are non respawnable, enemies are not respawning
But they do, they respawn, only they do differently.
In Morrowind they respawn if they're not named and after a set amount of time, in Gothic some of them do when you pass chapters.
There's no point to this argument because the games are fundamentally different, in Gothic mobs are important because they're your main source of XP, so they're strongly regulated, in Morrowind they're an obstacle between you and what you want, that if they're not named NPCs.

>Loot except for artifacts and very few unique things is meaningless, money don't have any value since all the stuff you can find is better than anything you can buy, and training is useless until late game, when you have millions of coins.
I literally told you how the best unique artifacts of the game are laying around in the world for you to take, why do you keep spewing bullshit?
Money has all the value you can imagine because training is the fastest way to get strong and it gets expensive as fuck.

>To finish Gothic 2 without abusing glitches and see 100% the game can offer, you will need to find almost every single little nugget, berry and arrow lying in the bushes. TES hoarding is a joke in comparison. Anyone who have some experience with those games drop the idea of collecting useless loot a few hours after starting the game.
There's no "TES hoarding", you can't hoard the same way you do in Gothic because you have to actually manage your inventory, so you don't bother getting cups and random shit.

>>382792918
There is no sense in training since TES games are piss easy already, and level scaling actually make you want to play at low levels. And since early training is cheap, and in late game you have endless cash, money are useless in Elder Scrolls, hence why Todd & Co came up with an idea of buying property since Oblivion, which is the only money sink out there.

Gothic is the only real non sandbox openworld game in the entire industry. Where everything is set in stone, and you can't just grind your way to the top. Incredibly challenging, incredibly rewarding. Morrowind is amazing when it comes to lore, reading the books, managing your stats and sorting all the useless crap you collected. The best autism simulator out there. For a quality over quantity approach on the other hand, Gothic can't be beaten.

>>382792918
>Money has all the value you can imagine because training is the fastest way to get strong and it gets expensive as fuck.
Don't forget enchanting&spellmaking, much more essential than training. Expensive as fuck.

>>382793406
There's a point to training since otherwise you'll spend way too much time grinding to level up your skills and if you go to Solstheim underleveled you'll get BTFO, for example.
Have you really played the game? Level scaling in Morrowind is negligible, and mostly limited to overworld random mobs, i'm not talking about Oblivion or Skyrim, they're both pieces of shit and inferior to Gothic 2.
>And since early training is cheap, and in late game you have endless cash, money are useless in Elder Scrolls, hence why Todd & Co came up with an idea of buying property since Oblivion, which is the only money sink out there.
In late game you only have endless cash if you actually go out in the world and get powerful items (or abuse alchemy but that's practically an exploit anyway), hence why exploring is needed.
And in Oblivion they didn't add property for that, in Oblivion and Skyrim they simply capped the amount of training you can do in one level.

>Where everything is set in stone, and you can't just grind your way to the top.
That's literally what you do when you play with NotR, you go to the world and kill everything you can kill because every single experience point is a must in order to not get destroyed later. Rinse and repeat on the next chapter.

>>382793406
>Gothic is the only real non sandbox openworld game in the entire industry. Where everything is set in stone, and you can't just grind your way to the top.
[citation needed], I also seriously hope you're not implying Gothic is hard or harder than TES, nor that PB's """Rebalancing""" are anything but trash, and I say this as someone who has G2 in his top ten of CRPGs.

>>382793406
>Gothic is the only real non sandbox openworld game in the entire industry. Where everything is set in stone, and you can't just grind your way to the top.
[citation needed], I also seriously hope you're not implying Gothic is hard or harder than TES, nor that PB's """Rebalancing""" are anything but trash, and I say this as someone who has G2 in his top ten of CRPGs.

>>382792248
There are many.
Some have Vishnu coming into existence out of the void and the universe being made out of parts of his body.

Honestly you probably know them all and just don't realize it.

>>382792872
It's modded.

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I tried it because of all this /v/ spam and I've visited all 3 camps and done the majority of their first quests. I think I'm done, it feels like I'm just running from one NPC to another, and I can tell this will probably be the entire game.

>>382793780
Learn what the word grind is. Carefully planning which unique enemy to kill isn't grinding. Killing the same respawning mooks to level up your skill to a 100 is. Finding handplaced stuff isn't grinding. Collecting flowers which will respawn tomorrow to brew potions, and purchasing the entire stock from a trader, waiting 24 hours and doing it again is the pure definition of grind.

Both games are amazing at their own departments, Morrowind wins in art style and story. While Gothic absolutely dominates in terms of gameplay and level design.

>>382794340
gothic 1 suffers from fetch quests and backtracking thats true,

2 is much better so just skip to 2

>>382794340
The game turns into pure action after chapter 2. Both work the same way. 1st and 2nd chapters are the most comfy, 3rd and 4th are 50\50 with serious shit happening. 5th and 6th are the shortest and nothing but action.

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>>382775837
>he needs mods to make his point

>>382794369
>Carefully planning which unique enemy to kill isn't grinding.
"killing everything you can, and cheesing everything else with a transformation scroll or whichever way you can" is not "carefully planning".
>Killing the same respawning mooks to level up your skill to a 100 is.
For most skills you don't need an enemy to level them, facing enemies are just a byproduct of going looking for things to sell in order to train them.
>Finding handplaced stuff isn't grinding.
Correct, so Morrowind isn't grinding.

>>382788659
I like how you stopped using the phrase "you're lucky if you come across a scrib" after I blew you the fuck out the other day.

https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/text/scrib%20waterfall/
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/text/lucky%20scrib/

You're really making Gothic fans look bad.

>>382794369
>Killing the same respawning mooks to level up your skill to a 100 is.
Have never even imagined doing that in Morrowind. You really haven't played the game much, why do you keep pretending?
>Finding handplaced stuff isn't grinding.
Exactly.
>While Gothic absolutely dominates in terms of gameplay and level design.
Nobody denies Gothic having better level design. Gameplay? Absolutely not. You can have so much more fun in so many more ways for so much longer in Morrowind, it's ridiculous.

>>382774226
Considering he's alive and well in skyrim means your game is a lie, the dragon must have broke just for you and your fantasy land.

>>382795059
You people are absolutely dense fanatics who argue for the sake of arguing. I spent more than a decade playing Morrowind, finished every single quest there is to finish, including the vampire ones, collected everything there is to collect, modded it to hell and back, and pretty much know more than half of you fucks combined, yet you will still continue to blindly pretend like Morrowind has no flaws. American bloatware quantity over quality mentality to boast about over 9000 hours of content is exactly why most openworld games are shit, and Bethesda is to blame. Gothic deserves a medal for having limited amount of gold, items, experience and enemies, which is the best type of design ever, and the biggest upside it has in comparison to TES games. Not the combat system. Not the animations. Not even characters. Loot and enemies set in stone. The type of design which most plebs can't even comprehend, because they never saw it in their entire lives, and can't even imagine an RPG where you can't grind like a korean on steroids, to steamroll everything in the game without applying even a tiny amount of thought.

TES games are for dreamers. People with imagination. Gothic is for clever folk, for those who actually have brains.

>>382794597
I might push through the 1st chapter then at least. I had the same hesitation about Witcher 1 and that ended up being one of my all time favourite games.

>>382796120
You played that much Morrowind and yet still believed that staying at lvl 1 was the best way to play the game thanks to the scaling.
Get the fuck out of here.

>>382796342
If you had even a slightest bit of reading comprehension, you would stop imagining the word 'Morrowind' when it clearly says "TES games"

>>382795287
Or he is an imposter.
Prove he is Neloth.
"He said he was."

You probably fell for Vivec's "I am a god "lie as well.
If you ask for proof he hands you a book he wrote about how he was a god.

You poor naive trusting anon.
Seriously though I am a Nigerian prince and I need your help freeing up a great deal of money.

I liked botw until I first played Gothic. It's on a whole other level. I don't think a rpg this good can be made ever again

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>>382796446
No one is talking about Oblivion and Skyrim here, no one gives a fuck, you're the only retard that tried to inject them into the discussion because you were getting blown the fuck out with Morrowind.
You autists are the main reason we can't have a normal Gothic 2 thread anymore, that's what you sow when you spent months entering every Morrowind thread to spout your retarded opinions.

>>382796120
>continue to blindly pretend like Morrowind has no flaws
*wish* I'd stopped reading there. Nobody has so much as implied that. What the fuck are you on about? It's very flawed, if you'd like to see it in writing.
As for the retarded tirade that follows - again, I have no idea what you're responding to, because I certainly can't connect it to my post. I agree limited loot and gold are nice.
>TES games are for dreamers. People with imagination. Gothic is for clever folk, for those who actually have brains.
Jesus Christ. Did you just *contrast* imagination with intelligence? I know I'm on /v/ but this is too much.

>>382796721
> dense Morrowind fanatics entering Gothic threads to start a holy war
> calling Gothic fans autistic for ruining Gothic threads

Jesus, you need help

>>382796541
Botw is a game designed for nintendautists it's an insult to compare it to a masterpiece such as gothic

Gothic now has the worst fanbase

>>382797043
1. This isn't stated to be a Gothic thread. You might as well call any thread with a 2d drawing attached an anime thread.
2. Even if this was a Gothic thread, Gothic fans have been doing this in Morrowind threads for as long as there have been Morrowind threads. The autistic shitposting from one or a few Gothic spammers are what kicked this whole thing off. This very thread is copypasta and shows up nearly every day.

>>382797209
It's such a superior game that it's hard not to bash other inferior game when talking about it. Sorry but that's how it is.

>>382796120
Gothic appeals to the infantile part of the brain.
I know it sounds like I am being insulting but I am not.
Do you generally learn by rote?
Do you replay the same games or reread the same books over and over even years later?
Do you generally dislike new music,books,movies, and games?

Once again not an insult but signs of an overdeveloped infantile part of the mind.Repetition and familiarity are more important than new experiences for people like that.

That or you are getting older.That also has to do with that part of the brain but for different reasons.

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>>382797007
> stopped reading
> no idea whats happening
> you are retarded
> /v/ is so stupid while i am the only intelligent individual here

>>382797478
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>>382797271
> This isn't stated to be a Gothic thread

Literally the same guy who makes the same thread every day, with the same text and pictures, always talking about Gothic is not a Gothic thread?

>300 replies
>88 posters

What did /v/ mean by this?

>>382797627
It's not, it's a dedicated shitposting thread.

>>382797627
Yeah, he says "greatest rpg ever". Up for interpretation, innit?

>>382797642
It's called "discussion", or "conversing". Consists of "replies" from people to one another. The result, as you can see, is more posts than people. Might be a difficult concept to grasp for an autistic mind.

>>382797819
Fucking newfags, i swear. For years threads were started this way to get attention, and this one is exactly the same Gothic thread as it was years ago, and it either was about discussing nothing but Gothic (if Amerifats are asleep) or Morrowind autists shitflinging non stop, derailing the thread until it gets deleted.

>>382798063
>the autist trying to pass as an oldfag
G2 threads starting as "the greatest RPG of all time" is a recent development, no amount of revisionism can change facts.

>>382798063
If it weren't for Morrowindfags it would get 10 replies.

>>382798204
Every year it's been the same pretty much since i started following those, which would be around 2006. Morrowind threads were always the same, except that Gothic fanbase is smaller, so MW threads almost never getting derailed.

I love both games and franchises equally, but only blind won't notice that Elder Scrolls have one of the most autistic fanbases ever. Loud and obnoxious cunts who shitpost 24\7.

>>382771227

Yeah man I love Morrowind

>>382797931
If your thread doesn't get at least 200 posters before bump limit it's not popular. Such are the laws of 4chan.

>>382799074
..and?

>>382797642
Actually if a thread has about as many posts as posters you can be quite certain it's a bad threat with mostly shitposting. A real discussion involves replying back to people.

>>382800785
For what purpose did you bump this piece of shit?

>>382800913
I enjoy a good Morrowind thread

>>382771227
i was actually thinking about reinstalling and playing the greatest rpg of all time today.

>>382801790
Imagine being this autistic.

>>382801790
This is accurate as fuck kek

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Why don't they make wholesome RPGs anymore?

If they had the tech back then, they sure as shit have it now

>>382801689

do it.

>>382771227
It's okay but it's no BOTW

>>382800913
because there are still people on /v/ that enjoy good games

Go thicc is GOATY

>>382796486
Mushroom tower with mushroom trees, why go through all the ruse just to trick the next "aware" being to come through your existence. No one else even cares about him, he's just minding his own business like usual.

He's alive and well, like he will be for another eon. Just because you killed one of his doubles doesn't mean that you killed him anon. You fell for the greatest ruse, the dude duplicates himself for fun, and you think you killed him?

Also it was pretty obvious vivec wasn't a God, but I guess Nigerians arent too good at reading books and believe they're all royalty anyway.

>>382803297
BOTW is modern garbadge. Why don't you try a true classic for a change?

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>>382781789

MFW GOTHIC2 TRULY IS GOAT

>>382804382
Actually 90% of human NPCs can be cheesed with a simple attack-block pattern
Sentenza is one of the few that for some reason you can't, I guess he has a more exclusive AI or something.

>>382804606
you mean skirim-like?

>>382803969
seething

>>382803942
Dungmer were stepping over the corpses of previous apprentices to study at the feet of master "Neloth"

PT Bagrum was right there is a stupid dungmer born every minute and ruseman took advantage of that.

Status is very important to the petty and small minded dungmer people and ruseman is just faking it until he makes it.

Another point.
If he is a master wizard why does he suck so bad at magic?
Really makes you think.

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help me
Im getting wrecked by fucking everything, all i've done so far is make it to the old camp and talk to all the named npcs, but the game insists on throwing groups of 2 or 3 enemies at me that rape my shit every time. I really want to get into this game but its doing its damnedest to make me hate it.

>>382806257
you're supposed to kill enemies 1 by 1

>>382771912
but there has been a massive outbreak of autism ever since they started the whole pill thing

>>382781789
>mfw trying to sneak around sentenza

i knew it would happen too

>>382806392
Grims ambush disagrees. I dont die, but I really want to kill that fucking weasel.

>>382806257
getting raped by everything is an unavoidable part of being a newfag to Gothic

It feels great when you become a poweful as fuck badass and shreck everything in your path later on

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Name an RPG with better combat than Gothic.

>>382806516
You're supposed to run when you get bamboozled.
Just come back a bit after and murder him, everything he robbed you will be in his inventory I think.

>>382772180
How does a skeleton stay hanged up like that?

>>382806584
You can get lightsabers in Gothic or is that a mod?

>>382806584
Dark Messiah.

>>382806567
its been a long while since ive felt so pitiful in a game. maybe this'll be a wake up call for me.
>>382806717
its not like I have any ore anyway, and I managed to wreck herek earlier. I'll try being a coward and see where that gets me.

>>382806516
if you want to kill him then remember you can execute knocked out people, i dont remember how exactly because I havent played gothic 1 in ages but you can

>>382806958
Is a club better than a sword? It feels like speed of your attacks is key, but the club does pitiful damage compared to my old sword