Alright /v/, how do we save the Final Fantasy Franchise? FFXV

Hire someone who has honest-to-God made a decent action game.

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We can't, we just have to retreat into our nostalgia and ignore everything else.

I don't really get what final fantasy is anymore. At times it seems like a name they slap into things to boost sales.

>>382742304
ok so remember when FFXV was gonna have combat like KH
make it actually like KH, or go back to turn based.

Final Fantasy reception will always be "mixed" from here on out because f >>382743915.

There is no clear, simple formula for a Final Fantasy game anymore and no matter what you make, you'll always be antagonizing half of your audience.

A vocal portion of the community just wants rehashes of 1-6 in the form of IX over and over again, but the games that have always sold the best are the experimental titles like VII, VIII, X, and XV.

There's no way to make everyone happy anymore.

>>382744320
And then you have the fucking Tacticsfags who won't even touch a game if its not set in Ivalice.

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>>382744320
Tactics fans make sense. The style of play they want isn't in any other Final Fantasy game. I don't think most could look at this image and think this is final fantasy.

>>382742304
>what does Square need to do so that FFXVI doesn't end up like XV?

Hire someone who has both a coherent vision and can finish a game on time.

>first FF was 7
>Then 8
>Then 10

Never got to play the older ones. Which one is best to start and beat?

>>382742304
Get an outside team to show SE how to make a fucking action game, or tell them to get back to turn based.
XV would have been passable if it weren't for the dogshit combat.

Erm..square needs to break away from enix. From the time they merged with enix it's been bad game after worse game. I mean 8 and 9 weren't awesome games, but dear God, they were FAR better than 10 on.

>>382742304
make it like FF1-FF6

FF7 onwards is when things started getting bad.

>>382746164
This. How come KH2, a game from 2006, have a deeper and more enjoyable combat system then a game 10 years later.

I've moved on, there were a lot of JRPGs I missed that I've been enjoying and they are actually actually challenging. I do miss the aesthetics and wish Atlus could afford to make an AAA game.

>>382746164
Hah, but that story bro. It wasnt great either

>>382746761
That's why I said "passable" rather than "good."

>>382744320
>experimental titles like VII, VIII, X
Those games are all still turn-based RPGs

>>382742304
Just bring Sakaguchi back. His departure marked the decline in quality for the franchise.

>>382745794
Just play the SNES games.

>>382746507
5 and 6 were the only good pre-7 games though.

XV would've been perfect if they had another year of development

>>382748357
More like if it started from scratch

>>382742304
They need to return to its NES roots and plop you into the world with 4 dudes you customized and let you have at it, but with modern convenience and open world structure. Add a story structure like 4 heroes of light but with a lot more substance and I think you have a hit.

>>382747224
Thematically though, they're not the high fantasy medieval style (Yes magitek armor is still fantasy, not sci-fi or modern)

>>382748481
They could have made it work they just needed more time to flesh out the second half instead of rushing that mess out the door

>>382748481
More like if they kept the plot and gameplay of versus XIII.
I was interested in that game.

>>382748562
I really think it would be better if the just did open level format instead of open world. Most devs can't open world and often times litter their world with no tier quests.

>>382748787
Meant mmo tier

>>382746425
Enix has nothing to do with it.

Would FF4 DS be a good entry point to the series? My cousin wants to try out FF and since he only has a 3DS I was thinking of recommending that one but considering the bore that was FF3 I have a hard time suggesting FF4 DS when the psp version is much superior

>>382749419
FF4 or FF7 are usually the best places to start with the series

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Square took 10 years to make a game that still felt rushed and unfinished.

>>382749463
I'm leaning more towards 4 since it's a little more basic but I'm just unsure about the DS version

>>382749690
DS version is the hardest version.

>>382742304
I don't understand the "10 years" meme, where FF fans act like they're going to be starved for games from Square until 2026 now that XV finally came out after some crazy long dev time. From the time of the Versus XIII announcement at e3 2006 until XV's release, in the FF franchise we saw the release of:
>FFIII DS
>FFXII: Revenant Wings
>Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII
>FF Tactics A2
>FFXI: Wings of the Goddess
>FFIV DS
>FFIV: The After Years
>Dissidia Final Fantasy
>FFXIII
>FFXIV
>FF: The 4 Heroes of Light
>Dissidia 012 FF
>FF Type-0
>FFXIII-2
>FFXI: Seekers of Adolun
>FFXIV: ARR
>Lightning Returns: FF
>FFXIV: Heavensward
>World of FF
and Nomura released in that span:
>The World Ends With You
>KH: 358/2 Days
>KH: BBS
>KH: Coded
>KH: DDD

Why do people act like all the developers and players at Square were just sitting twiddling thumbs for 10 years trying to push out XV? It's clear as day they just had a vague idea for it one day, announced it, shelved it, and then pulled it out years later to cash out on it

>>382749642
Because the game we actually got was made in only 2.5 years.

>>382750809
Nomura didn't direct TWEWY

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>>382742304
First of all the franchise is already saved thanks to XV, and it also got more GOTY awards than any other FF, including Sakaguchi giving it his GOTY too.

>>382750982
No, but he was a producer and artist on it. And the point is just that Nomura, Tabata, and a lot of people at Square worked on and released a lot of games during those 10 years. It's clear they weren't just sitting around fiddling away on XV

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>>382751049
>including Sakaguchi giving it his GOTY too.

>>382745393
I see Airships, Magitek, military soldiers, war, and four heroes. I think of Final Fantasy instantly looking at that, just one in a more urban setting.

>>382751134
kek

>>382746164
XV has better combat than any other FF to date.

>>382746512
XV is better than KH2.

>>382751207
Not an argument.

>>382750809
I hate it when it comes to Kingdom Hearts. I don't understand how people can be so up in arms about the "long wait" for KH3 and not have played any of the 5 fucking games that have come out since KH2

>>382751134
Never mind that Sakaguchi shat on Kitase during a livestream he did with Tabata, shat on FF12, shat on FF13 while praised FFXV. But OK nice joke video.

>>382751261
It is as much of an argument as just saying "durr it has dogshit combat"

>>382743335
This desu. FFXV has convinced me that FF is beyond saving. Not even just the game itself, which was meh, but the fact that there's almost no agreement over what was good and bad, and what little agreement there is is massively missing the point, like all the >muh linearity nonsense that XIII got.

I'm honestly glad I'll probably be dead before the year is out

>>382751360
>Never mind that Sakaguchi shat on Kitase
>I perceive playful banter as serious business
Oh wow

>>382751410
Prove it.

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Release more side games like Tactics and Crystal Chronicles. Seriously, release more Crystal Chronicles that actually had effort put into them.

>>382751436
>Literally said Kitase is a shit producer during a livestream he did with Tabata

>Literally shat on FF13 while in the same sentence praised FFXV

>Literlaly said he refused to play FF12 beyond the start

>>382751452
Dude just fuck off, it's obvious you're just here to shitpost and can't deal with people defending FFXV.

>>382751625
Not an argument.

>>382751049
>>382751207
Oh fucking fuck I didn't realize you know who was here already

>>382751681
Typical

>>382751685
If you're just going to shitpost buzzwords and meme names then don't even bother posting.

>>382742304
Why save this embarrassment of a series? Just look at it's evolution:

FF1
>Ultima and Wizardry are popular in Japan, lets just combine the two! We are geniuses!
FF2
>It's too obvious we had zero original ideas in the previous game, so let's do everything in literally the opposite way.
FF3
>Shit, that ended up really bad. Let's just remake the first with more classes.
FF4
>We are literally out of ideas. Looks like everyone forgot the second game exists, so let's reuse half the story stuff from there, and some gameplay from the third.
FF5
>You know what? We should just outright remake the third one, people liked that.
FF6
>It's time to reuse the other half of the story from the second game. Use the gamplay of the fourth game, it somehow became popular.
FF7
>That turned out good! Let's do the same again, but make it modern looking, that way they won't suspect anything!
FF8
>Damn, they ate it all up! Let's do it again. Tweak around with the gameplay a little, we are geniuses anyway.
FF9
>Shit, gameplay turned to shit! We should grab them by the nostalgia balls and make a generic fantasy anime with references to earlier titles, they will eat it up!
FF10
>Well, looks like anime crap is selling well. This time, make a more japanese looking anime. I don't care if it doesn't even resemble older titles.
FF11
>You know what sells these days? MMOs.
FF12
>Shit, we are out of ideas again and we have no time! You know what? Let's throw it to the Ivalice guys, no one will notice that it's not even an FF game, they only care about the title.
FF13
>Holy shit, they really only care about the title. Let's remake ten, with more modern looks, so those who liked that and seven will buy this.
FF14
>You know what brings more money than an MMO? Two MMOs. You don't have to make it fun, just slap the Final Fantasy title on the game.
FF15
>Shit, out of ideas again! Oh well, this faggot is making a game, just take it and slap FF15 on it and sell it unfinished!

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>>382751554
>https://twitter.com/benmoore035/status/720650402413170689
>literally just playful banter
>oh my gosh he said kitase is shit
Imagine being this retarded
>Literally said he refused to play FF12 beyond the start
Because he was disappointed Matsuno left, he didn't want to play the rest. He didn't outright hate it

>>382752978
This better be pasta

>>382753126
yep

>>382742304
End the pandering to Japanese teenage fashion.

>>382753126
Every word is true.

OP here, I guess a better question would be what would be your ideal final fantasy game?
>What aspects of previous games should be implemented
>What aspects should be exclude
>Ideas, concepts, or systems from other jrpgs that would benefit Final Fantasy

>>382753562
>what would be your ideal final fantasy game?
Final Fantasy Tactics, but bigger.

>>382742304
We don't, just let it die in peace.

>>382742304
Bring Sakamoto back and keep Nomura as far away as possible. But that isn't happening so it's just fucked I guess?

>>382753439
Nope.

>>382753562
For a mainline FF: just remake 6 with 5's gameplay and more content for the World of Ruin.

Otherwise >>382753596

>>382752978
>>You know what brings more money than an MMO? Two MMOs. You don't have to make it fun, just slap the Final Fantasy title on the game.
You've got it. They would have made so much money if they went
>heh, just put the first mmo into HD and use the story of the one of the older games.

>>382753610
I think FF will die in the next 2-3 games, but square will probably try and make a spiritual successor to FF by claiming the new franchise is similar to 4 or 7.

>>382753943
>I think FF will die in the next 2-3 games
It keeps getting bigger though, XV was the fastest selling game in the series history.

>>382750809
Many of those games are either sequels, remakes, or non-mainline games. They work off another specific game or use a different kind of playstyle entirely while using the series main rules. And one's an MMORPG.
The mainline games are their own thing, and pave the way for new content instead of just recycling things from other mainline games.

>>382753943
As I see it, they will only focus on remakes for a while. In 2036, when the remake of FFXV-2 for the PS7 and the XBOX3 fails, they make an FFXVI, which will flop, then no more FF.

>>382754251
>FFXV-2
You meme, but I hope square doesn't even consider that after the ending of XV.
>>382754127
I think people were just starved mainline FF after 10 years without one.

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>>382754523
>even consider that after the ending of XV.
They retconned the end of XIII to make a sequel, there is almost no way XV-2 is not happening.

>>382753105
>he literally said kitase was a shit producer live, and the host of the show tried to cut to a commercial straight away
>b-but that doesn't count
https://youtu.be/LtbixKc0rms

>ignoring that he refused to play FF12
>Ignoring that he took a shit on FF13 while in the same sentence praised FFXV and the team making FFXV.
>Has praised FFXV multiple times since it was released and literally gave FFXV his GOTY.

>>382754814
They retconned the ending of 13 because everyone hated it
everyone loved XVs ending even if they had issues with parts leading up to it.

>>382754834
>he literally said kitase was a shit producer live, and the host of the show tried to cut to a commercial straight away
How many times do you have to be told it was playful banter. They were even laughing together at the banter
https://squarebd1.wordpress.com/2016/05/13/sakaguchi-tabata-talk-kitase-toriyama-xiii-more/comment-page-1/
Kitase and Sakaguchi still go out drinking and he was the one who introduced tabata to sakaguchi in the first place. They may argue a lot but they are still friends. How can you be this retarded
>ignoring that he refused to play FF12
>Because he was disappointed Matsuno left, he didn't want to play the rest. He didn't outright hate it
Did you have problems reading more than sentence at a time

>>382754523
FFXV is guaranteed.
>Something attacks the world of the dead
>Noctis gets knock out into the world of the living
>someone controlls the summons, you have to go around defeating them with the boys
>turns out Luna was evil and she manipulated the summons
>go to hell, fight Luna, Luna Transcended and Luna Ascended
>she was just mindcontrolled, but she died in the dead world by Noct's special deading blade so she is resurrected
>final dungeon is Noctis' mind, he has to fight his friends and Ardyn
>some formless blob is the final boss
>Noct wins and everyone is happy
>In the secret ending a dimensional vortex opens behind him and Lightning in amazon dresses comes out, saying only she can help Noctis. Reconnect. FFXIII.

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>>382742304
>Final Fantasy
7/10
>Final Fantasy II
6/10
>Final Fantasy III
7/10
>Final Fantasy IV
8/10
>Final Fantasy V
9/10
>Final Fantasy VI
10/10
>Final Fantasy VII
9.5/10
>Final Fantasy VIII
6.5/10
>Final Fantasy IX
10/10
>Final Fantasy XI
8/10
>Final Fantasy XII
6/10
>Final Fantasy XIII
5.5/10
>Final Fantasy XIV ARR
7/10
>Final Fantasy XV
6/10
>Final Fantasy Tactics
9.5/10
>Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
6.5/10
>Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles
7.5/10
>Final Fantasy X-2
6.5/10
>Final Fantasy XIII-2
5/10
>Final Fantasy XIII LR
6/10
>Final Fantasy VII Crisis Core
8/10
>Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
5/10
>Final Fantasy IV The After Years
7/10
>Final Fantasy XII International Zodiac Job System
8.5/10
>Final Fantasy Mystic Quest
7/10

>>382755357
>>turns out Luna was evil and she manipulated the summons
Well at least I would finally have some reason to care about Luna then

>>382755220
>i-it was only playful he wasn't being serious
He was serious, him laughing when saying it doesn't mean he didn't believe what he said.

What does him going out drinking with Kitase have to do with him thinking Kitase is a shit producer? You can be friends with someone and still think they are shit at things.


Here is Gooch shitting on FF13 while in the same sentence praising FFXV and its devs.

>Sakaguchi: "When I first left the company, I did feel that Squaresoft was taking the games in a direction that I didn’t want them to, specifically with Final Fantasy XIII. I wasn’t particularly happy with it. But after leaving the company, and with time, I have come to accept that I was the one who left, so they were free to do what they wanted with it. And recently I have been looking at Final Fantasy XV, and although I’ve never known or worked with Tabata-san, by looking at his production I feel that he has adopted the spirit that I had when I first created the series. I feel that, in the hands of talented people, the original feel of the series is being brought back."
http://www.glixel.com/interviews/final-fantasy-creator-sakaguchi-on-remakes-xv-and-square-w452889


And here is Sakaguchi talking about refusing to play any more of FF12 back when it first came out

>Sakaguchi:"I just played the beginning. You really can't expect much from the game when Yasumi Matsuno, a crucial member of the team, leaves in the middle of development."


He specifically says he refused to play it because Matusno, a crucial member left the team, meanwhile Sakaguchi loves FFXV despite Nomura, a crucial member having left the team.

>>382755660
OK, but do you think the franchise is worth saving or is it better to let it die off?

>>382755357
Noctis is dead and there is no more crystal or royal magic, so no one else can use magic. The Fleuret line is also dead so no magic from them either, and since all the daemons/scourge are dead so is Magitek.

The only thing that remains is the Astral shard as an energy source, and just the regular monsters like garula or anak, which are basically just animals.

>>382755660
Where is X?

>>382755727
Just in case you are still too retarded, here's this gem from the link
>Sakaguchi: Great to know Kitase had been doing his part too. (laughs) As far as I’m concerned, he’s the one I handed the torch to. It’s heartwarming to know that Kitase’s values are living on through you.
This was one month after the livestream. Fuck you are so goddamn retarded
>And here is Sakaguchi talking about refusing to play any more of FF12 back when it first came out
For the third fucking time, I already said this. Why the fuck did you need to bring up the quote when I already mentioned it twice and why bring nomura into this conversation

>>382755940
He's gonna give it to ya.

>>382755983
Underrated

>>382755978
And again what the fuck does that have to do with anything? He has said many times he considered to have handed the torch to Kitase, that doesn't change the fact that he thinks Kitase is a shit producer. Just so you know Kitase was a director before he became a producer. Not only are you fucking retarded but you can't deal with Sakaguchi saying Kitase is a shit producer, which is a fact.

You didn't say shit, you ignored the part where he said he refused to play it any more, and Matsuno's position to FF12 is the same position Nomura was in for FFXV, both were the original director who left during development and replaced with a different director, Sakaguchi said he didn't expect much from 12 because the director got replaced midway, yet he praises FFXV constantly even though the same thing happens, showing that Sakaguchi respects Tabata and not Nomura. Also he flat out shat on FF13 while praising FFXV devs which you are again fucking oblivious too. Sakaguchi said Kitase is a shit producer and he wasn't kidding, deal with it you fucking drone.

>>382756257
>Sakaguchi said Kitase is a shit producer and he wasn't kidding
Kitase is one of the main guys behind the two most popular games in the series and games that help put the series on the map. Kitase is objectively a better director than Tabata.

>>382756257
>that doesn't change the fact that he thinks Kitase is a shit producer
You are the kind of retard who would also think Matt Damon and Jimmy kimmel actually hate each other. It's quite amazing how you are so fucking dense
>You didn't say shit, you ignored the part where he said he refused to play it any more
>Because he was disappointed Matsuno left, he didn't want to play the rest.
Are genuinely mentally retarded? I'm serious about this. The fourth fucking time
>brings up nomura out nowhere because his hateboner is just to strong too ignore
Stop obsessing over the guy barry

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You can't "save" Final Fantasy. It's owned and operated by the biggest fuckfaces.

>Merged with Enix only to take it's properties and can most of their employees over the years
>Gave Nomura full creative control for KH and FF
>Released a new SaGa game on the fucking Vita. Then announced they won't localize it because there's no interest in the American Vita market
>Bought Eidos, forced them to churn shit out, then shut down all their future projects because they didn't hit Final Fantasy's sales numbers
>Delays games for ten whole years
>Releases mediocre games that were delayed for ten whole years
>Bought out Taito and forced them to become mobile devs. They haven't made a game since DariusBurst
>Doesn't advertise Dragon Quest in the West because they think it's a waste of time
>Then refuses to deliver spin-offs and even mainline titles because the last game they didn't advertise sold poorly
>Went out of their way to ensure nobody outside of Japan could play DQX, because fuck you
>Games are guarenteed bugged to shit at launch
>They'll only show "interest" in future Ivalice titles if Zodiac Age hits XV's numbers, which will never happen
>Cut franchises entirely because directors and people closely related to their projects hate their guts

Just let Final Fantasy burn like the trash fire it is

you don't, only dragon quest will survive

>>382756895
>Merged with Enix only to take it's properties and can most of their employees over the years
oh wow. Don't know how to tell you this, but you might actually want to look up what enix was before the merger. They were a publishing company that paid other developers to make games for them. The first game actually developed in-house was Dragon Quest X
>Gave Nomura full creative control for KH and FF
KH was his even before the merger and he only had full control of the spinoff versus

>>382742304
>what does Square need to do so that FFXVI doesn't end up like XV?
Just remake Live a Live and sell it as FFXVI. No one will complain.

>>382742304
>how do we save the Final Fantasy Franchise?
At a save point.

>>382757274
>Don't know how to tell you this, but you might actually want to look up what enix was before the merger. They were a publishing company that paid other developers to make games for them.
I didn't say they weren't. Enix still fully owned the rights to all the games they paid other people to make, Dragon Quest included.

>KH was his even before the merger and he only had full control of the spinoff versus
I mean the "act of" giving Nomura full creative control over projects in the first place was a mistake. Final Fantasy VIII, X, XIII, Dissidia, and XV have some of the worst designs I've ever seen in JRPGs; and Square just endorses him every step of the way.

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Have you played Final Fantasy 14 though

>>382754167

Both of the MMORPG's are Mainline games, so I don't know why you pointed that out like it didn't count.
Sequels to mainline games are also mainline games.

>>382742304
Square finally realised that the jRPG genre is dead, but XV proved that action is not something they can nail. I expect experimentation till they find what they are good at.
XVI: FPS
XVII: car racing
XVIII: NBA
XIX: point and click adventure
XX: plane simulator
XXI: flash games
XXII: wRPG
XXIII: tabletop RPG

>>382754814
>there is almost no way XV-2 is not happening.
No.
XV will just get some DLC story add-ons and that's it.

Pretty sure now that it's out, SE is going to go balls deep into it's multi-part FFVII Remake development because they know that if they fuck that up and people hate it, there will never be any recovering.

>>382756442
First of all what Kitase has done is besides the point, the fact remains that Sakaguchi said he was a shit producer and he wasn't joking when he said it, he was serious and the host of the stream tried to cut to a commercial, and Sakaguchi Kitase was a shit producer right when Tabata was trying to say he does respect Kitase.

>>382756527
No, you're the kind of retard that would think that. Second of all where did I say Sakaguchi hates Kitase? I said that Sakaguchi said Kitase is a shit producer because Sakaguchi objectively 100% factually literally said that, and he was not kidding when saying it.

>Are genuinely mentally retarded?
Are you? You ignored the part where the fact that he didn't want to play it not only is an insult to those who did work on it, but just shows he didn't care about FF12 enough to even play it beyond the start. You also again fucking ignored how Sakaguchi straight up shat on FF13 while praising FFXV and its devs in the same sentence.

And you again fucking trying to ignore any criticism of Nomura even though it's 100% fucking valid to bring him up in this instance because the subject is about a mainline FF game where a director got replaced with another director midway, that appies to FF12 and FFXV, with Matsuno being replaced midway, and FFXV with Nomura being replaced by Tabata.

Seeing as Sakaguchi said he refused to play FF12 because Matsuno left it that means that he respects Matsuno but not the rest of the people who worked on FF12. And seeing as he praises FFXV constantly despite the same background of director leaving and being replaced with another, that means he respects Tabata FAR more than he does Nomura. Eat shit you fucking drone.

>>382756895
Enix was literally a publisher, not a dev you fucking moron.

>>382758382
>XV will just get some DLC story add-ons and that's it.
DLC for a secret ending that foreshadows XV-2. Don't you want to save Luna and Noct?

>>382758554
The ending is set in stone, all the DLC stuff being things that take place before the ending is all cementing that too.

>>382758389
>no u
wow
>Second of all where did I say Sakaguchi hates Kitase?
I didn't imply that, I was making a comparison to how fucking stupid you are. Congrats, you again showed how fucking stupid you are
>You ignored the part where
Fifth fucking time, so fucking stupid
>And you again fucking trying to ignore any criticism of Nomura
We weren't talking about nomura until you decided into interject him into the conversation here>>382755727
I don't give a fuck about nomura because he wasn't what we were talking about. Get over your fucking hateboner for the guy already. He was part of the reason xv was fucked for so many years, everyone already knows this.
Let it the fuck go already

>>382758660
Making a sequel is much more easy then a new game, since you can reuse tons of stuff. Nomura even said that's why an XV-2 is a possibility back when he was in charge. If VIIR fails, or takes too much resorces, they will need easy money. If not XV-2, then XIII-4 or X-3.

Let the series die. Its Japanese Call of Duty at this point, except the releases take a decade instead of a year. Enix was mistake; square soft took the series to the grave.

>>382759212
>Japanese Call of Duty
that's monster hunter

>>382755940
I too am curious where X is

>>382758554
>DLC for a secret ending that foreshadows XV-2. Don't you want to save Luna and Noct?

No. I want them to be done with the Fabula Nova Crystallis setting forever. 7 games across 7 years is enough, and at least XV is a higher note to end it on than Lightning Returns.
They finished Lightning's story.
They finished Noct's story.
They had a few pointless side stories with Type-0
This is in addition to all of the movies and cross-promotional fashion show material and the Toblerone fan doujins.

I never thought I'd see something from SE get milked more than the FFVII compilation, but this shit is.
And worse off, at least people actually liked FFVII so it made sense for SE to expand on it.
I don't know anyone that's been so thrilled with FNC's universe that they keep saying "Yeah, I'd like more of this!" every time one of the games is awful.

>>382758970
And you're delusional if you think the FFVII remake is going to fail.
Even if it's a steaming pile of dogshit, it'll sell a gorillian copies and fans will lie to themselves and everyone else and claim it to be a masterpiece. I don't think you understand just how valuable that FFVII brand is.
The FFVII remake only needs to be as mediocre as, or slightly better than, XV for it to do well.

And I'm pretty sure everyone would rather have X-3 over XV-2 and XIII-4. My god, especially XIII-4. At least Spira is an interesting setting.

>>382758925
So not only did you make shit up but you failed to even understand what is even being said to you to begin with, congrats, you're a complete fucking retard.

And again, no, you ignored the actual point so you could focus on something else.

>We
What the fuck does that matter when I brought him up specifically to show that the same situation between the two games happened and yet Sakaguchi loved FFXV despite the old director leaving, yet he refused to play FF12 when the old director left. Showing that Sakaguchi didn't care about those who did stay for FF12, and that he didn't care for Nomura's iteration of FFXV either. Stop fucking acting as if it isn't a valid comparison just because you want to defend him. Stop acting like Sakaguchi didn't say Kitase was a shit producer or that he was "-j-just kidding guys".

>>382749690
Avoid the ds version if it is your first, the ds version is significantly harder with ennemies generaly having more hp and dealing way more damage

>>382759212
>Let the series die. Its Japanese Call of Duty at this point,

...Wouldn't that mean that the series is doing exceptionally well and sells a billion units to normies and children on a yearly basis, while the dwindling number of older fans sits around on the internet and complains?
That doesn't sound like something you "Let die" since, you know, it makes money.

>>382742304
Make it not take itself so seriously like in IX.

>>382758039
How could anyone? It doesn't exist anymore. Your screenshot appears to be from it's inferior sequel, what should have been titled FF14-2.

>>382757936
You can't blame Nomura for XV. They literally kicked him off that project (which he had been trying to work on for 10 years but they dragged him off to other ones continuously at the time) and sat him in charge of the FFVII Remake and replaced him with some no name director that completely undid everything Nomura had done.

Go back to turn-based or get a director who isn't a hack who only made garbage PSP games with terrible combat and thinks games should be fancy movies.

>>382758970
When Nomura was in charge that was back before they condensed multiple games into one. Whatever possible "sequel" for Nomura's XV was condensed into main XV. Even with stuff like the movie and anime happening those are thing that happen either at the very start of the story or on the side of the early parts of the story/flashbacks.

The way XV ends is basically a hard end, it's not the type of ending you then go into a sequel for. FFXV is framed more to suit prequel stuff or sidestory things that happen before the ending, rather than a sequel. That's why all the DLC and stuff planned all take place before the ending.

>>382759403
XV isn't even FNC anyway. It stopped being FNC once Tabata took over. But you're right I don't want a "continuation" of XV because the story is done, if they do do more story stuff i'd rather it just be prequel or sidestory stuff like it currently already it.

>>382759491
>no u again
>still too dense to understand anything
>continues to ignore what I've said
>still can't get over his hate boner for a jap he's never met and can't help but bring him up into every conversation
Your autism and stubborn retarded mindset is giving me a headache, enough of this

We need to nip this "sell crucial content as DLC" bullshit in the bud before Square turns it into a habit. Did anyone even buy that Episode Prompto crap?

>>382759645
Fuck off, you can fully blame Nomura because he was the director of the shitshow known as Versus, and he had nothing to show for it. He didn't get kicked off, he was transitioned off of XV with Tabata already being put on as co-director, and they transitinoed him off specifically because he was being moved to FF7R in 2014.

And Tabata didn't "undo" anything, he released an actual game that was well received and better than anything Nomura could have done. If anything Nomura tried to undo himself when he wanted to turn FFXV into a musical on a whim. Nomura had barely even 20% of a game done by 2012, and yes you can blame Nomura for that, even if problems arised from Crystal Tools/FF13/FF14s fucked up dev teams first. The fact remains Nomura still directed a bunch of KH games instead of diverting his full attention to making Versus.

>>382756895
>Released a new SaGa game on the fucking Vita. Then announced they won't localize it because there's no interest in the American Vita market
It's true. Not only that but the west hardly even knows what the SaGa series is.

>>382759809
>Ignoring facts
>Waah stop bringing up x for no reason
>Continues to ignore when Sakaguchi shat on 13 while praising 15
>Still can't stop fucking defending Nomura and thinks it isn't valid to bring him up into a conversation about directors on FF games

>>382759643
1.0fags exist?

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>>382759902
Episode Prompto was fantastic and yes plenty of people did.

>>382759902
>playable party members are dlc but still not in main game
I was mad about this long before the game came out or any dlc was announced and if anything I'm even madder today.

>>382759965
>>382760089
Imagine hating a guy as intensely as this guy hates nomura
It's so fascinating

>>382759403
>XV is shit!
>swap some models and play around with the world map, change some of the script, name it FFVII
>Best game ever!
Sadly, I can see it.

But anon, don't you want a Dissidia style game but only with FNC? You could dress up Lightning and make her kiss Noctis in the Type-0 world!

>>382742304
Fire Tetsuya Nomura or promote him to such a high level position that he's no longer involved with development.

>>382760256
Imagine being a guy who defends Nomura non stop, then one day realized hey wait, Nomura isn't that great and wised up and then started calling people out who then defend Nomura non stop and pointing out Nomura's failures. Yeah I love being that guy because I'm not blindly cocksucking Nomura like you are, and I'm not blindly cocksucking Tabata either because I never act like he's perfect nor do I particularly care about his previous games.

>>382742304
Give it to Yoko Taro. It's the only way.

>>382742304
Honestly for now i am quite excited for 12 to comeback, really cool game but unless square finds an actual director with an actual vision and a sense of responsibility, and if the ff board was removed maybe there would ve hope for solething good.

>>382759965
He was directing a bunch of KH games because Square MADE him work on those rather than FF Versus. He would've gotten shit done on it if he were given the time to do so, but in the time that they had announced FF Versus, Square also decided he should make 3 KH spinoffs for handhelds and put his team to both those and other Final Fantasy titles as well. Then they added a bonus 4th KH on top. I would've loved to see Versus play out, but unfortunately Square wasn't having that. This is a product of Square's shitty management, not Nomura's laziness.

>>382759743
Who the hell thought cutting up a game and making the parts into anime and movies was a good idea? All those should have been in the game, and even then it would feel unfinished.

>>382760525
You can already emulate and play in English the thing they're rereleasing.

>it's a "ignorantly blame Nomura for the poor decisions of the higher-ups in SE" episode

https://youtube.com/watch?v=OOkKSt6NyGk

>>382760495
Also, don't get me wrong, I don't LOVE Nomura. He directed the shit that is Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep.

>>382760495
>Yeah I love being that guy
What a sad life you live, being so upset that some jap didn't deliver a game that you now autiscally screech at people at how much he hurt your feelings

My all time favourites are VII, Tactics, Tactics Advance, and XII.

With XII I really felt that they had a very solid game that was one of the most enjoyable games I've played gameplay-wise. It's quite possible the only game I've played where they made grinding enjoyable. It's a pity they didn't learn from it and they followed it up with the disasters that were XIII and XV. Good story, as well. Only major complaint is that some of the characters are annoying and cringy. The rest are pretty good, though.

Tactics is, of course, one of the best games they've made as well. Tactics Advance is less popular (I may be one of the few who actually liked it), but it'll always be one of my favourites. A2 was... well, honestly, the UI and the main character designs just didn't appeal to me at all. There's a real opening for a good new tactical FF, though.

On top of that, the storyline and world of FFT felt a lot more real than some of the other games. Not that there's anything wrong with those! But a lot of the games feel incredibly fantastical, while FFT felt more... down-to-earth? Medieval? Gritty? Something like that. Like you aren't fighting against someone summoning/a primordial deity bent on destroying the world. You aren't fighting against the Empire and their armada of airships over the magical equivalent of a nuclear bomb. Instead, you're dealing with political strife, a revolution caused by the poor treatment of the commoners by the nobles, a corrupt church... If you took the magic out, half of it wouldn't be surprising to find in a history book. Similar game Tactics Ogre pretty much *was* about history (or, well, I suppose it was current events, then), if you change the names.

FF7 was just a great game. I don't think there are too many people who think otherwise.

But are we going to get games like those? Not likely. We're going to get games like XIII and XIV and XV.

>>382760535
>He was directing a bunch of KH games because Square MADE him work on those rather than FF Versus.

They didn't make him do shit. Nomura is in an executive position, he's the one in charge of KH. He can decide if he wants to make KH games or not, he can decide what people to put on his games or not. He decided hey instead of writing, finishing designs on, finishing planning stages for and laying foundation for Versus, that he'd instead work on KH games for 4 years.

FF Versus was announced in 2006 but the story didn't even have a finished script draft until 2010. Most of the characters in the game didn't even get designed until 2010 either.

And BBS came out around 2010 yet Nomura went straight to work on KHDDD instead of going full time on Versus, Nomura kept changing things on a whim from changing how the world map works in the game to changing the story constantly and characters constantly, to changing shit all the time, getting barely even 20% done by 2012. And by that time is when they rebooted it to FFXV and gave it a full AAA dev team and when Tabata joined as co-director and when they started moving to a new engine.

Nomura has a huge part in Versus's failure, and I'm sick of people trying to absolve him of any blame by acting like it was just the upper management that screwed him or forced him to work on anything but Versus.

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>>382760540
I'd say none of those parts should be in the game other than maybe as very brief asides because they all take place before the game begins and involve either totally different or much younger versions of the party. Instead they should have told a story that didn't have tons of critical, character-centric backstory with no tidy way to deliver it. They also should have actually provided the story elements that do take place in the time frame of the game instead of delivering them with news broadcasts, scraps of paper and Hot Talcott infodumps.

>>382760594
No it is not ( i have played izjs), the audio is actually not shit this time, plus dual jobs, plus no spell queuing just that is enough to change the experience

>>382760540
The story was rewritten so that Noctis is away from the invasion when it happens because it's to create a juxtoposition between the severity of what happened at the time to what you were actually doing at the time. Either way the movie can be viewed as a sidestory with anything important that happened in it is learned through the game anyway. And the anime has nothing to do with the main story of the game.

It's like saying you need to watch Rogue One to understand a New Hope, or that you need to read the FF12 manga to understand FF12.

The way the invasion happens in Kingsglaive is already rewritten from the old concept, so saying that it is "cut out" doesn't really apply as Noctis is not in Insomnia when it's invaded.

>>382760613
>it's a frustrated jacob somehow is right even though he's a nomura fanboy episode

>>382760834
>He decided hey instead of writing, finishing designs on, finishing planning stages for and laying foundation for Versus, that he'd instead work on KH games for 4 years.
>While the planners and programmers are all working on Final Fantasy XIII, the Versus project is getting the designers to work on a lot of image illustrations and conceptual visuals. The story for Versus is also pretty much complete.
>http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2008/06/19/final-fantasy-versus-not-put-on-hold/
uh

>>382760720
Meanwhile here you are defending him and being a hypocrite since you are autistically screeching yourself.

>>382761037
My problem is that it was rewritten in the first place. Sneaking out of the city during the invasion sounded nice.

>>382760948
>he doesn't want to hear Balthier deliver his lines from a bank vault again

>>382761037
>rewritten
This was clearly a mistake.

>juxtaposition
My God, you sound so pretentious. Just tell it like it is: it happened off screen, and the narrative suffers throughout the entire game because nobody playing realizes the significance of what's happening nor how high the stakes have been raised. Noctis and company don't seem to give that much of a fuck either. As if their wasn't enough of a tonal contrast in you and your friends running around on chocobos while your country is being raped and your government is in shambles.

>>382761158
Roberto Ferrari did not join Versus until 2010

Roberto Ferrari created and designed Ardyn, Aranea, Gentiana, Verstael, Umbra, Cid, Cidney, Iris and some other characters that ended up getting cut.

Mihura didn't design Iedolas or the purple arm Ravus until 2010 either.

The only characters that Nomura designed in the entire game are Noctis, Ignis, Gladio, Prompto and Cor, four of those characters existed since 2008 at the earliest and only Noctis existed since 2006. He did Stella too which he changed her design like 3 fucking times until Naora then modified her final design into Luna in late 2013.

The first story draft for Versus was not completed until 2010

http://gematsu.com/2010/06/final-fantasy-versus-xiii-scenario-complete-confirms-dengeki

And that story underwent changes again when it became XV because now suddenly Stella was changed into being Noctis's childhood friend. Ferrari also stated that there was no defined story when Nomura was still director and it was still undergoing changes every three months.

>>382761408
Yeah and i don't want to see vaan's weird inverted abs either, thank go d they removed that shit

>>382761510
>Just tell it like it is:
I am. It happens away from Noctis to create a juxtoposition. Ardyn literally mocks Noctis for this during the final battle where Noctis was off "playing with his friends" while his father died and kingdom were destroyed.

>>382761682
They're still not great. He needs to do more crunches if he's going to wear that gay vest.

Get off /v/. FFXV did extremely well and was well received.

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>>382761647
It's almost like it was a game in its early stages of development or something.

>>382761647
>story changes during game development
Oh wow, I had no idea. This is such a shocking revelation, I'm glad you wrote a short essay to explain something so obvious. Thanks

>>382761815
Goddamn that faggoty looking vest, i don't know if the revenant wings design with the shirt would have been better

>>382760857
>bring back jihl and her sexy little tie
fixed.

>>382761741
You don't know what a juxtaposition is then. You're not even spelling it right, Finding out Regis died was when the conflict was introduced into the story. Everything else can be chalked up to tonal inconsistencies, as I have surmised, but even I won't be too harsh on those.

>>382762034
You'd think they'd be taking advantage of their new love of dlc and giving the cast a variety of expensive outfits for you to purchase.

>>382761838
>>382761873
And yet that fag tried to act like it was somehow finished in 2008 because Nomura mentioned "almost done with the story" back then, even though it didn't have a finished story until 2010 at the earliest.

FFXV is not that bad tbqh

>>382762327
Oh hell no, I preferer that they leave the dlc jewery for the new hotness like XV and probably dissidia and so on

>>382762129
>You don't know what a juxtaposition is then
Yes I do.

It's the juxtaposition of the severity of what you see happening in Insomnia against the calm and carefree nature of what the bros were doing out in Leide at the same time. It's why Ardyn literally mocks Noctis about that in the end too. Them finding out Regis died while they were setting out for their journey is what marked the actual "call to adventure" and conflict. Also riding chocobo's when the world is about to end is not an argument, in FF7 the meteor is about to hit yet you can go and fuck around doing minigames and shit, like, talk about tonal inconsistencies as if you actually know what they are. The bros didnt' forget what happened, they are still trying to live their lives. Like look at Lion King, Simba's dad just died then like 10 minutes later he's singing in a tropical environment with random strangers.

>>382762574
Every playable character other than Cloud will be DLC in VIIR. Also you can buy side quests, and when you bought all of them, you can buy the final one that unlocks Ultima Weapon.

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>>382762635
>Lion King, Simba's dad just died then like 10 minutes later he's singing in a tropical environment with random strangers.
That shows Simba became suicidal. Later he repressed his memories, developing a different persona to deal with the harsh truth of causing his dad's death. He rejected Nala at first because of the memories, but only later did the old persona resurface. The biggest conflict was actually inside Simba's head. Lion King is too deep, don't compare it to any FF.

>>382762960
But Noctis was putting off his duties as king because he just wanted to live a carefree life, it's even why the chocobo carnival is a dream right before Luna died and Ignis went blind and everything around him was despair. It's why he struggles to put on the ring on in the end even though he had it for a while at that point.

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have pic related direct the next one. Of course that would mean nintendo exclusivity but the (single player) FF series is in dire need to quality control

>>382762732
And of course don't forget about the starting pack where you have a bunch of materia and levels for the stunning price of 77.7 dollars

>>382762635
>see happening in Insomnia
There's the problem: you don't see anything happening in Insomnia. No comparison can be made between what's going on in Insomnia and what's going on in Leide because the political conflict is so empty and irrelevant to the plot. It's not a juxtaposition or whatever other fancy shit you think it is, it's just poor writing. I didn't play FF7 so I wouldn't know.

>comparing this game to TLK
Now I know for sure you don't know what you're saying. FFXV was all about Noctis owning up to his destiny while Simba was trying to run away from it. He was also a child while the cast of XV were adults, and knew fully well what the implications of Insomnia falling was. They weren't trying to start a new life, they needed to haul ass back to the capital.

>>382763716
But it is a juxtoposition because that is something that is happening at the time, and it is part of FFXV media which anyone can go and see. The entire point is that invasion in kingsglaive happens parallel to the start of chapter 1 of the game and in the game you see it from Noctis's perspective, while the movie shows what's happening inside the city. That is the juxtoposition by having Noctis being calm and carefree while what's happening insdie the city is death and destruction, it's why again Ardyn mocks you for it. It doesn't even matter if you see the city being destroyed or not, the fact remains that it does happen at the same time as you doing stuff with Noctis carefree in Leide which is where the juxtaposition of events comes from.

>Now I know for sure you don't know what you're saying.
First of all there are clear paralells between FFXVs story and TLK, both taking influence from Shakespeare and in particular Hamlet.

Noctis is literally someone who was rejecting his responsibilities as king and wanted to just live a normal life, it's why he even moved out of the Citadel to begin with and into an apartment, and it's why he wanted to go to a public school too because he wanted to distance himself from the whole royal affairs. Noctis lived a sheltered life and while he did start owning up to his responsibility once talking to Cor, he was still dragging his feet about it, and it wasn't until around chapter 13 where he finally fully embraced it.

Simba knew he would have to return one day but he still put it off and eventually distanced himself from it.

>>382759902
Future FF's are gonna be a single character action adventure game ala KH. Because controlling a party is literally impossible in an full action setup. I can already tell how messed up VII Remake's combat. No one's gonna use Tifa, RedXIII and Cait Sith.

>>382765116
No you can't

>>382764391
>actually defending the decision to outsource to storyline to other forms of media
Nobody is going to--nor should they need to--watch a (bad) movie to understand what's happening in a game. For the settings to be in juxtaposition of each other, Insomnia needs to actually have some sense of presence. The player should be reminded what it is Noctis is fighting for and why, and understand how dire the situation is. But even with Tabata's excuse that the story was meant to be shown through Noctis' eyes, there is not a single Insomnian refugee present, nor status reports on the state of the capital, and there's little veritable evidence of the negative impact the fall of Lucis had on world affairs, other than a few blockades. It's not genius writing, it's just a lack of attention to detail.

Versus was inspired by Hamlet. Any influence that was left in XV took a backseat to bullshit about demons.

And it's not like he outright rejected it like Simba did. Noctis was just a lukewarm fuck. Simba never even matured emotionally because he was taken in by Simon and Pumba as a young and impressionable kid. There was kind of an entire scene about him forgetting who he was and finally owning up to it. The other anon did a great job explaining it. And wasn't it Regis that forced Noctis out of the citadel in the first place?

>xv-kun going full autist in two threads
Will this guy ever stop, did FFXV save his life or something

>>382766435
First of all the storyline is not being outsourced to other forms, because the main story is told in XV. Kingsglaive is a parallel sidestory and anything important that happens in it is learned in the game anyway, and brotherhood has nothing to do with the main story.

You clearly don't understand how juxtaposition works or what even the point of them making it so Noctis is being carefree in Leide at the beginning to begin with. The Juxtaposition works specifically because you are outside of Insomnia when it is invaded, because you only see death and destruction associated with Insomnia, and yes there is clips of Insomnia destruction showed within the main game, without you needing to have seen the movie to see that. And that juxtaposes against the carefree nature of what Noctis and co had just been doing out in Leide. You are given tasks to fulfil right at the beginning by Cor and then you are free to do as you please out in the open world, with your task still being specific and something you should be doing to move the story along.

> there is not a single Insomnian refugee present
Except there is in Lestallum which is where they went, which is where you meet up with Iris and Talcott. You have status reports on the capital CONSTANTLY on the radio reports, and you even get a side mission from Vyv to take a photo of Insomnia from the hill because of refugees want to see what has become of their home.

I honestly don't know what the fuck you are even trying to argue, why would Insomnia which was an isolated city somehow affect the rest of the world when they weren't the ones who were bombed.

Even then once Niflheim troops find out there was Insomnia refugees associated with the prince in Lestallum they kill Jared to send a message. And as soon as you go to lestallum once that hapens there are Niflheim flags hung up around the city with NOTICEABLY much less NPCs around the city then compared to before

>>382766435
>Versus was inspired by Hamlet. Any influence that was left in XV took a backseat to bullshit about demons.

Fuck off, XV is as much inspired by Hamlet as much as Versus is, there is absolutely no difference in inspiration between the two

>bullshit about demons.
First of all the daemons were always in Versus, as was the eternal night, secondly you are just again talking out of your ass.

Simba first of all just distanced himself from it until he sort of forgot about it, then once he was suddenly tasked with it again he at first rejected it then accepted it. Noctis had been distancing himself from the royal affairs since he was a child constantly and hated the idea of having to be king because it reminded him that his dad would die, and once his dad did die he was reluctant to do his tasks as king because he didn't want to accept it, and he dragged his feet while trying to want to have a normal life, and it just kept getting harder for him to do that because more shit kept happening, and once Luna died and he had the ring it's what made him reject it for a while, until he eventually came around to accept his responsibility as king. He fully accepted Regis's death once the Regalia was completely totalled in Niflheim, and it was only AFTER that did he put on the ring.

Noctis is the one who wanted to live on his own in his own appartment, and Ignis even tells him that if he can't keep his things in order then he'll be forced to go back to living in the citadel.

>>382768626
>n-no stop defending ffxv!?

>>382770224
Yeah i think that's what he's trying to say

>>382770359
>complaining that someone wants to defend a game they like

>>382746164
SE do not know even how games work anymore. They still believe in PC piracy boogeyman.

>>382742304
IX remake

>>382751427
I envy you

>>382775762
By current Square?
>whole game looses the artstyle in favor of realistic design
>every other race is now human
>Zidane will become brooding
>Garnet's ass will be flat
>Steiner will only talk in quirky oneliners
>Vivi will be his KH2 counterpart
>Freiya now human
>Quina, Amarant are cut
>cut content like Fratley and playable Beatrix quest won't be restored
>Kuja gets a female voice actor
>released in parts
>don't forget to buy the starting pack with 50 hi-potions, broadsword, scepter, white robe and knight armor
>Cid now owns a cup noodle factory instead of airships

>>382776257
>Excalibur III pre-order bonus
>Excalibur II micro transaction

>>382742304
Stop making them.

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>>382745393
I don't think most could look at this image and think this is final fantasy.

Make an actual fucking fantasy game.

Most of the best games in the series are the ones that actually have fantasy settings like IV, V, IX, and XII.

Enough with the modern/dystopian future settings.

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>>382742304
>Alright /v/, how do we save the Final Fantasy Franchise?
By correctly ranking them.

>>382777062
Not with that shit taste

>>382777062
>liking ff2 at all
dropped

>>382776928
You may want to check on your definition of "fantasy".

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>>382776257
>Garnet's ass will be flat
"muh waifus"
>Freiya now human
Nothing of value will be lost
>Kuja gets a female voice actor
This doesn't make any sense whatsoever, and is the most nitpicky gripe. They'd have to be irredeemably retarded fuck up the character like that. I hope this post was satirical exaggeration, because it seems like you're just pulling this stuff out of your asshole. Because while that would be a retarded thing to do, it wouldn't matter that much anyway because many male characters have had female voice actors. Not trying to cause a shitstorm or petty internet fight, just saying that those points seem pretty stupid if you were being serious.And if it was supposed to be an over the top joke then whatever I guess.

>>382776257
This is current Square lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqA80BMwj34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0rWMcRepmA

>>382778705
Technically that's a Team Ninja game

FFXIV is THE definitive current-gen final fantasy. Has an infinitely better story than virtually any other final fantasy in the last decade, a massive and never-ending campaign with a ton of side missions and you get to design or own character with a job system in place. It's flawless

>>382778831
No, it's a team ninja game but it's technically a square game because they likely give them 0 creative freedom with their characters

especially when they've got an autist like nomura breathing down their necks

>>382778831
SE is in charge of all the creative stuff, team ninja are just the codemonkeys.

>>382745393
On the contrary, that image looks just like Final Fantasy.

Too bad the game was nothing like that.

>>382742304
>FFXVI

There isn't going to be an FFXVI.

>>382752978
4 and 6 are popular because burgers first jrpg

also

5>3=1>2>4=6

im playing the main games only, about to start 7

>>382756895
>Then announced they won't localize it because there's no interest in the American Vita market
More like there's no interest for SaGa in the western market, they did localize the remaster of Romancing SaGa 2 and will do the same for 3, but that's because they're still "traditional" enough for the western market to at least recoup the localization costs, being on the Vita doesn't help but it's not really the main reason.

How the fuck are you going to sell a JRPG that doesn't even have dungeons to the west? If TLR sold poorly then Scarlet Grace will be even a bigger flop in here, not saing that Squenix isn't a garbage company, but this is actually a fairly understandable position, SaGa never did well after it was published with its actual name in here.

>>382775762

No. Just no. Because this...

>>382776257

or something like this is 100% sure to happen.

>>382742304

FF is as dead as Zarnarkand. You need to let it go now. It´s been 15 years since the last decent one. Just let go... you are chasing after a nostalic dream.

>>382777130
Go to bed projared.

final fantasy is dead

>>382782246
>XV sold gangbusters and got more GOTY awards than any other FF
>muh ff is le ded meme

>>382781580
>It´s been 15 years
12 is only 11 years old though

>>382781580
XV was the best FF so no.

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I have long come to terms with the fact that SE just isn't capable of making games I like anymore.

>>382782318
>muh-game sells a lot
you are retarded, you don't even aknowledge the fact of the brouder mass being brainfucked as hell. Just look how well cod is selling. Generic as shit and yet has a fanbase that is mostly 12yo facebook kiddos. You can't take this as argument ina industry who use 'Hype' as PR. You shithead.

>>382782450
as soon enix took over squaresoft, everything went down the shitter.

It begun with the FF10-2 project. rip squaresoft.

>>382782450
Pretty much, and I don't even like FF, but SE has long fallen from grace outside of one or two devs who know their shit and actually care about making good games.

>>382782793
>it's dead because it sold a lot!
>it's dead because it got the most GOTY awards ever out of any FF!

So basically you're just a meme spouting 12 year old trying to fit in on /v/ spouting old as fuck memes

Square and Japan should stop pandering to a western audience

it dilutes their games

FF7-FFX were great because they weren't tainted by westernization

>>382782921
do you even read? much projecting here.

You can't use this argument in a industry that build their sells on braindead fanboys, sheeples, casules, normalfags, plebbitors. Why do i repeat my argument? You imply jackshit here.

>>382782345

XII is mixed on my book. I love the art style, the world (specially the season mechanics) and the tactics more adult like story... plus the zodiac version did have classes which is always great but i really hate the battle system and Vaan.

I know i know... you can pretend he is not even there. (I actually did and the game does indeed become better for it)

Okay, let´s say 11 years since i said decent, not good. Fair enough.

>>382782382

It´s actually shit though.

>>382742304
You can't.
Just let it die and rest in peace.
Main FF games are fucking dead and have complete turds ever since XIII.

Modern Squeenix can't make proper FF anymore.

it's dead, johnny.

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Give it to Yoshida to fix.

>>382783259
He's a cool guy, the docu about XIV was great, he really loves the series

>>382783259
>Yoshidack
>fix

>>382745393

A part of me thinks since 6 that the ff series has been heading towards a more technological/magitek renaissance from the pure fantasy aspect the first 5 had

FF 15 IS TRASH
EVEN LIGHTNING'S NO ASS IS BETTER THAN FF 15.

>>382783121
>XII is mixed on my book
Don't worry I can definitely understand why you would feel that way, the game has good and less good aspects but personally i still think it's a damn fun game

>>382762921
So does this have like, a story and characters and cutscenes that are actually voiced like all the other FF games?

I've been playing A Realm Reborn via the free trial (just hit level 30 and chose my Grand Company) and so far it feels like some Indie game shat out by chinamen. 90% of cutscenes are the characters mouths moving and everything with no sound coming out, like they ran out of money to pay VAs mid-production. Meanwhile the story is all over the place and doesn't seem to know where it wants to go.

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>>382783664
This.

>>382784103

Yeah people are memeing when they say it's the best FF in years.

It is NOTHING like actual FF games. Nothing. It's just that mainline FF games have been so bad, people will latch onto anything.

FF is in a pitiful state right now, and that's the truth of it.

>>382783664
I think FFXV is an alright game but it's not half as good as FF games usually are. I enjoyed FFXIII way more, and believe me, I never thought I'd say that.

>>382784623
>FFXV is an alright game
>I enjoyed FFXIII
i wish people like you would die, just die.

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>>382777062
>dat FF2

>>382784623
nice baite.

>>382742304
Use FFXV as a new foundation, and start building on it.

The game was solid, with some hiccups in the combat and story preventing it from reaching the peaks of the classic titles. But that's because the game was in development hell for a decade and got passed between so many people that the fact a functional, even decent game even came out of that disaster is the greatest success story in Square's recent history.

Take what worked from 15, polish its flaws, write a better story now that you can start fresh and don't have the baggage it carried over from Versus XIII. If they can do that they can make Final Fantasy something that's special again, they've shown that it's not a lost cause at all.

Square's bigger problem is development time. Every project Nomura gets involved in seems to take fucking decades to come out. Kingdom Hearts III, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, The World Ends With You 2, Final Fantasy VII Remake, Dissidia NT, you name it. I'm not sure if its just because he has too much on his plate to deal with so many big projects at once, or if he's simply bad at managing projects, but you to pass half the supervising work over to someone else if you want more than one mainline Final Fantasy game a generation.

>>382783259
Sorry, Nomura is the Final Fantasy guy for now after Toriyama didn't work out.

>>382784789
Why? FFXIII, while crap in the level design department, is a complete, polished game. You can hate what it is or think what it is is bad, but it is complete and constructed as if the people who made it actually knew what they were doing and were ready to ship it out the door when they did.

FFXV is a fucking incoherent mess. It could have been something great but it's unfinished, unpolished, and feels like it was made by multiple different teams who had no idea what the other teams were doing or what the ultimate goal was. The story starts arcs or goes out of its way to show us shit that's never explained or addressed again, then expects us to get emotional over characters dying that have spent all of two minutes on screen, not to mention half the cast in this game are characters that appear and then are never spoken of again for seemingly no reason. It's like all these characters were thought up and conceived but then no one used them. Meanwhile we go through the whole boring story that is essentially just four friends on a road trip. None of those epic moments or memorable over the top boss battles that FF is known for exist in FFXV. Can you name one? Can you name one moment in FFXV that's comparable to that moment you first fought the Ultima Weapon in Mideel, that moment you fought Atma Weapon on the Floating Continent, the moment you fought your way up the steps at Seymour and Yuna's Wedding, or that scenario where you fail to assassinate Edea at the Deling City Parade?

Final Fantasy XV, again, could have been something great, but apparently no one making it knew what they were doing, so we just have some Frankenstein's Monster version of a game pieced together from shattered dead remains of multiple other game ideas that could have been but were never fully realized, and I hate it. I hate it because I think back to those Versus XIII trailers and it depresses the hell out of me.

>>382784883
>Every project Nomura gets involved in seems to take fucking decades to come out. Kingdom Hearts III, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, The World Ends With You 2, Final Fantasy VII Remake, Dissidia NT
Are you fucking retarded? KH3 was announced in 2013, not even half a decade. TWEWY 2 was never announced, FFVIIR and DNT were recently announced.

>>382785658
>projects begin when they are announced
hmm

>>382783079
>says it's dead
>post proof how it's not dead
>T-THAT DOESN'T COUNT!?

Also if FF was dead then FFXV wouldn't have sold so fucking well or gotten as much GOTY awards, so not only does it prove you wrong but it proves you're a fucking idiot who can't even into basic common sense or logic.

>>382785760
>Square Enix
Projects begin after they're announced with this company

>>382785523
Yeah, it sucks. Literally the only moment in FFXV that comes anywhere close to those you mentioned was the broken, severely downgraded Leviathan battle.

>>382785523

I feel you anon.

I fucking hate FFXIII, it's my least liked game of all time, but it is consistent.

FFXV just feels poorly managed and badly executed in so many areas.

No FF games have ever felt so badly designed.

>>382783121
No it's actually the best. You want shit look at FF12.

Just kill this thread already, you just keep it alive for xv-kun

>>382783664
>>382784203
FFXV is easily the best FF to date, you can stop resetting your IP and samefagging so desperately.

>>382784623
You have shit taste if you enjoyed 13 at all, nothing in 13 is better than XV in any fucking aspect.

>>382784789
I wish you would die first.

>>382785760
You seriously think KH3 was in development after KH2? They never intented to do 3 right after. TWEWY2 is probably not in development. VIIR is probably in development since 2014 earliest, and 2015 earliest for DNT.

>>382785978
Do you have a single fact to back that up? :^)

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>Barry
Alright everyone, time to go contribute to other threads.

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>>382785523
No it isn't. FF13 had literally a whole games worth of content cut out of the game and is the most convoluted piece of shit corridor shitfest in existence.

FFXV is the most straight forward and simple FF story to date that is resolved by the end, none of the side material change that as they are self contained side stories. XV is objectively more polished and finished than 13 is, and is not only bigger in scale and scope, but is more true to the core of FF with far more classic FF elements in it than 13 does.

Honestly you're just a fucking retard if you couldn't understand a simple story like XV, and you're an even bigger retard if you thought you were supposed to be sad at Jared dying when the entire point of that was just to show that no where is truly safe for the bros to stay because sooner of later they'll be found out.

Fuck man side characters like Aranea and Talcott have more character development than the main cast do in 13. There is no cohesion in FF13s story at all.

FFXV is about the brotherhood of the main four to begin with and that is the focus, the story about the kings and plague are also well established enough to keep interesting while you are doing stuff as the bros. There is not a single "epic" moment in FF13 at all, meanwhile fighting Aranea, fighting Ifrit, fighting Ravus, fighting Titan, fighting Ardyn, fighting Leviathan is more "epic" and memorable than anything in 13 is. The campfire scene at the end, Noctis becoming the king, finding the crystal at last, the first time you ever summoned Ramuh or any summon, Gentiana freezing Ardyn on the train etc. There are a ton of memorable moments I can name in XV, that's not even counting the DLC which already has great moments with Cor, Gilgamesh, Aranea, Verstael and Prompto too in their respective ones, and just the trailer for Ignis alone is feels galore. XV is better than Versus would have ever been, and KG also showed a better version of the invasion than Versus ever would have.

>>382785880
>severely downgraded Leviathan battle.
First of all the E3 2013 trailer was CGI not gameplay, second of all the E3 2013 trailer didn't even show Noctis fighting the Leviathan, only running and warping against some regular soldiers.

>>382785889
>but it is consistent.
It is not at all. FF13 is objectively worse than XV in every single aspect, and XV is easily among the best FFs ever created.

>>382786126
>stalking my twitter this desperately

>>382786183
>new IP
Stop.

>>382786980
>XV is easily among the best FFs ever created.
Anon, this is the Final Fantasy thread, not the Fucking Failure thread.

>>382786107
In that case they should stop teasing and doing reveal trailers for games that aren't planned to be worked on for years.

KH3 was teased for eons and we still have barely any info on it. FFVII is still hiring its development team and interviews over a year after the trailer tell they're still figuring out the tutorial and combat system. Dissidia's progress has been extremely slow until this past couple of months. TWEWY's 7 new days teaser featuring a new protagonist has led to nothing.

Its unacceptable.

>>382787147
Yes and FFXV is not only the fastest selling FF to date but also has more GOTY awards than any other FF to date, but hey nice fucking denial and lack of arguments.

>>382742304
A SEQUEL TO CRYSTAL CHRONICLE
FF CRYSTAL ODYSSEY

>>382787193
>KH3 was teased for eons
It wasn't. Only DDD's credit's teased it.
>FFVII is still hiring its development team
>Dissidia's progress has been extremely slow until this past couple of months.
Still it's early to say it will take decades.
>TWEWY's 7 new days teaser featuring a new protagonist has led to nothing.
A shame, but no one really thought it was in development, since interviews specifically mentioned it's not in developmnet.

>>382787230
>fastest selling FF to date
Comparing sales is stupid, since the industry changes so much in little time. Today game are much more mainstream and XV was marketed heavily. And you have no arguments in favor of XV either, just the sales.

>>382787489
>A SEQUEL TO CRYSTAL CHRONICLE
>Kawazu
>Going back to FF
>Doing a game for Nintendo platforms
Best they could do is hold him at gunpoint or bribe Ichikawa to persuade him, but CC is deader than dead.

>>382787643
KH3 has been teased since Re: Coded and Birth by Sleep.

>>382788935
>teased
So was Half Life 3/Epsiode 3 since Ep2

I'm interested to see what happens now that the games that were effected by the failed XIV 1.0 launch seem to be out

>>382784623

IDK about XIII but i agree with the statement about XV. It´s not bad. It´s just too generic for a FF game.
Despise SE dissapointing me time and again for the past decade i still expect a level of quality that just doesn´t seem to be there anymore.

I honestly didn´t care about my party or the story and even most of those tomb/ weapon search quest felt panifully boring. Let alone the fishing/ car pushing ones.
I didn´t particularly like or dislike the combat either and the flying car is just riddiculous.

I liked the chocobos though...

Anyone else hyped for Dissidia NT?

>>382750809
Versus XIII was the excuse for not releasing Kingdom Hearts 3 for nearly a decade.

>>382789892
Definitely, i hope they add a 1v1 mode though and i hope it won't be a DLC fest like other TN games especially since a lot of characters are still missing