>how bout we give the class meant for ambushing and spychecking

>>382738730
>i am so bad
>i only play spy to get kill

>>382738730
>soldier must always be the best class

>>382738730
>TF2 has been fucking terrible a long time before 2017.

FUCKING THIS.

I agree, it's been terrible since 2007 to be honest.

>>382739243
>terrible since the year it came out

underage leave

>>382738730
>keep having days where I never miss flare shots and never hit flare shots
Why does this keep happening

Flaregun does less damage than Demoman grenade pipes and it's on a class a lot less useful than the Demoman.

>>382738730
>getting hit by a slow moving, long arc, Slow shooting, bright colored projectile
>B-But 90 damage

Anyone can hit a standing still f2p sniper And I bet that's you

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>>382738730
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFfa60O8Y48

>>382740181

He was too good.

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>flare
>instantly kill

>>382740160
>slow moving

LOL

>>382740181
I know he moved on to Overwatch. Does anyone have his youtube channel for OW?

>>382738730
>not having auto reload turned on anyways

I quit after they nerfed degreaser+axtinguisher and demoknight. Trolling is impossible now in tf2.

>>382741717
>he doesn't know

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>people actually struggle to fight against flares

>>382741918
Not him but I kept autoload off because I sometimes played Spy and didn't like having the revolver slapped up into my face after every little pause while shooting

>>382742287
they fixed that

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>>382740181
Taken from us too soon.

>>382738730

Flare isn't instant.

If anything flare is the most balanced out of all pyros weapons. It's powerful but you need to aim to hit farther than ten feet in front of you, it reloads when put away but it holds 1 shot max and has a somewhat low max ammo.

Salty spy mains please kill yourselves. Actually spy mains period.

>>382742410
Not before I stopped playing

pyro is a god awful class even with the flare gun.

You can tell when someone's a shitty player when you hear them complain about Pyro.

Just be honest with yourself, OP.

>>382740181
>The last thing we heard from him was "HURR don't do stuff that you like, waste your life doing stuff that you don't like as much with people you see every day lmao"

He was cool dude until that point, I get why he was saying it, but still is a bad advise.

>>382740181

Great short distance airblasts, but sniping with the flare guns is piss easy.

>>382742543
t. hat trader

Nobody is skillfully uses the flare beyond firing it down populated halls and after an air blast. It does far too much damage on its own merit and is very easy to spam.

>>382738730
it was for bored babby pyros that couldn't do anything more than spy check. also it was a 15 year old reused asset from half life. I assumed the original designer/programmer moved to the tf2 team and wouldn't let it go until they put it in the game.

>>382742979

Shooting down hallways is the scorch shots job. It's so much better at it.

Flare is for that sweet burst damage. It's not gonna instagib anyone but they'll be pretty low after and they'll definitely be dead if they're hurt a bit unless it's a bulkier class. If you use it just for lighting people on fire from far away do yourself a favor and switch to scorch.

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>>382738730
>2017
>Being this mad about an easily predictable projectile

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>making a tf2 thread post-2007

Shitters just don't want Pyro to have anything. I always assess how OP/not OP a weapon is by what you're losing in order to get the item. In Pyro's case, you're losing reliable close range hitscan damage you could have with the Shotgun or RS. In exchange, you get minor long range harass and a short-medium range chunk of burst damage. It doesn't do long range harass as well as the Scorch Shot, and it doesn't do short range burst as well as the RS, it's a reasonable middleground. Why so buttblasted?

>>382740160
I found the scorch shot to be more annoying than the flare gun

>>382744391
People want to be mad with a class that they don't want to put effort into learning how to counter. People who bitch and whine about Pyros tend to be iron scrubs or """High-Tier""" pubbers who get mad because "muh 20 Killstreak :(:(:("

>>382738730
t. garbage scout

>>382744363
Engineers can't move buildings
60 rocket soldiers
broken out the arse you could get under pretty much any map
Lackluster maps
OP demomen
No sandvich
No kritskrieg

I think people forget how shit tf2 is to modern tf2 even with all it's downsides

>>382744920
Best TF2 was 2008-09, whenever Pyro, Medic, and Heavy had their shit. They were the only ones who needed it, on top of the engineer fixes that let them move buildings and upgrade other buildings to lv3.

>Get set on fire by a flaregun from a distance
>Don't use one of the 1000 ways to put out afterburn while the Pyro is reloading
>Get hit by the flare again and die
>Complain on the internet about it

Unless you're complaining about them using it in close range along with the degreaser but at that point they could just use the reserve shooter on you.

>>382738730

Every time I play pyro I can't help but wonder why I'm not playing a more useful class. It's literally only good for spy checking and briefly stalling ubers

>>382738730
>can't handle a flare gun

>>382742979
>It does far too much damage on its own merit

You're trading a reliable hitscan 6-shot medium-ranged weapon that deals chunks of damage in each shot for a 1-shot burst of damage that only works if the guy is on fire. Also, it does piss damage in it's spamability (if it even hits compared to hitscan and most projectiles) in regards to general chip damage.

The best part about tf2 threads are all the people that want to play the game but quit and come here to say how much it sucks now.
How can someone be so pathetic.

>>382738730
>Complaining about a balanced weapon on the worst class
Shut up, retard. Shotgun and Reserve Shooter get consistently used over Flare Gun, and the weapon is received well.

http://tf2stats.net/weapons/?sort=equipped

Stop opening TF2 threads with dumb bait. Get replies some other way.

>>382741918
>LE EBIN TROLLING kiddie quit
Good fucking riddance.

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>>382747248
this

Also can we stop talking about the Flare Gun and talk about a genunely bullshit weapon

In what other game would people accept a buff to the strongest class, and keep it that way for 8 years?

>>382738730
>let's make it automatically reload!

lol

>>382740181
>Actually able to get the mini-crit off a pyro
That's some complete abuse of the retarded flamethrower hitbox right there

>he doesn't hardscope bodyshot pyros with the danger shield equipped

do you even sniper m8?

>>382747585
That's not the only alternative weapon that is a direct upgrade, but yeah

>>382747590
>complaining about a weapon that's balanced alongside stock on TF2's weakest class and has counterplay
I don't understand you fucking people sometimes. Flare Gun is one of the single best weapon designs in TF2.

>>382747585
I know, right? Its not like the medic hasn't changed at all in any patch the past several years or anything.

>>382747585

Because if you get melee'd by a medic and he lives you deserve whatever is coming to you

>>382747889
Rephrase your sarcastic sentence and provide examples so we know what exactly you're talking about. thanks.

>>382747987
that makes no fucking sense
with that logic you could say
"let's give the medic a weapon that instantly wins the game if he melees someone and lives"

and funny thing is, Ubersaw is pretty close to that too

punishing the whole team heavily for one moron player is Overwatch-tier game design

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>>382747987
that doesn't mean that the Ubersaw should have zero fucking downside and basically be a straight upgrade to stock

there's no reason to use any other medic melee, Medic basically has only one viable loadout (crossbow/stock/ubersaw) and that gets REALLY fucking boring really quickly

Give me some meme builds. Weapons and cosmetics.

>>382748496
coolie hat+splendid screen+booties+half-zatoichi=Samurai Jack Demo

Pyro is fucking useless with his vanilla kit though.

>>382740181
You know I have never thought about using the detonator as a chase tool before, then again I'm the guy who can't do that cool looking double pipe jump as demo

>>3827481

Why did that medic get that close to you? You sound pretty terrible if you can't kill a medic

>>382748646
Flare Gun hardly changes that as well lmao.
I refuse to believe OP is anything but bait.

Flare Gun is banned in neither form of TF2 competitive play, is used less than the Shotgun in both 6s, HL, and pubs. There's no logical way it's OP.

>>382745101
which weapons bothers you the most?

>>382738730
>lets give the pyro a fun weapon

those bastards

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>>382748760
Holy shit you're so fucking new you manually type quotes? LMAO lurk more newfag
>Why did the second fastest class in the game, with more HP than 4 classes, and regenerating HP, in a game where you are often in close quarters and lack the ability to see in a 360 degree field of view, get that close to you???

Do people still like the degreaser? I got back into the game and the backburner is doing wonders for me. Making lots of people rage.

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>>382749001
Girls are so slippery when wet

>>382749084
>Do people still like the degreaser?
yes
it's arguably balanced alongside stock now unless you're playing hl

>>382749001
>lack the ability to see in a 360 degree field of view

full charge sniper confirmed

try moving the mouse next time

>>382747248
Naw I still play TF2 a fuckload, especially during the hot summer periods when my computer needs to keep the temps down with low end games.
They need to change the Loch N Load back because nobody's gonna use it over Iron Bomber/Stickies to take out buildings because pub engineers are too smart to leave that shit out in the open.

>>382741717
he ded, fuccboi

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>>382749182
Guess again retard, I play AS Medic.
Ubersaw's current state is flat out retarded. It prevents me from viably using any other melee weapon. I can't use Amputator, I can't use stock or any stock melee reskins, without being at a disadvantage to the enemy Medic who just got 75% Uber off some retarded F2P Spy.

It's a dumb design that should get an actual downside in the interests of game balance.

Now go back to R*ddit, manually replying newfag.

>>382749001
You seriously can't be this terrible.

How do I use the wrangler? Every time I do, I just get BTFO

>>382749334
>They need to change the Loch N Load back because nobody's gonna use it over Iron Bomber/Stickies to take out buildings because pub engineers are too smart to leave that shit out in the open.
That's fine, it's fine right now. It's not about whether the building is "out in the open", it's called corner creeping, have you heard of it?

You put yourself far out enough on the wall so you can see half the Sentry but the Sentry can't see your whole body, and you shoot it. Thus you have a direct LOS to kill the Sentry.

>>382749424
Stand further away from it.
Make enemies pick you or the sentry, or hide yourself behind some cover so you're harder to shoot.

>>382749406
You're the one who is terrible at making a cohesive argument, understanding the concept of game balance, and replying. See >>382749372, newfag.

The best players in the game die to Ubersaw on a constant basis because no player is perfect. That's why all the best Medics use Ubersaw.

If every player was perfect then no Medic would ever use Ubersaw, moron.

>>382738730
>playing spy when sniper exists

>>382749661
>Ubersaw on a constant basis

f2p really did ruin the game.

>>382749732
Spy has something to offer like every other class.

I'm curious, how do the Quake TF and TF Classic class roles compare to the TF2 class roles? I remember the Pyro having a long-range option in those.

>>382749812
Medic was broken as fuck that's for sure

>>382749757
Go fight b4nny
>>382749812
Pyro was basically a discount Soldier with a terrible DoT effect in QWTF/TFC.

You know how Degreaser does like 2 DPS for 10 seconds on its afterburn? In TFC, the Flamethrower and Napalm Cannon did 2 DPS for like 4 seconds.

The reason they removed Napalm Cannon was because Pyro being a guy with a rocket launcher, shotgun, and flamethrower was too similar to Soldier with a rocket launcher and shotgun.

Eventually though they brought back flare gun so that Pyro could have a Flamethrower and "rocket launcher", thus remaining different enough in concept from Soldier.

TLDR: OP is retarded.

>>382749661
There is more than one person calling you bad and that's why there's no 'cohesive argument'.

Yes the ubersaw is a strict upgrade to the bonesaw. Yes it's been like that since the ubersaw came out. Yes you're still bad at the game and hung up on dumb shit.

>>382749812
Medic and Scout overlapped heavily in role (but Medic was better and Scout was worthless)
Pyro and Soldier overlapped heavily in role (but Soldier was better and Pyro was worthless)
Sniper and Spy overlapped heavily in role (but Sniper was better and Spy was worthless)

>>382750463
>Yes you're still bad at the game
How am I bad at the game for saying that Ubersaw restricts my viable melee options, as a Medic, to Ubersaw? I want you to actually explain yourself, retard.

>>382749812
I remember playing this one Quake custom TF where you could mix and match parts from the basic 9 and a few more extra skills/weapons for fun. I think you could summon quake monsters after collecting enough gibs for one of the skills.

>>382750594
to be fair spy is still pretty weak today, but nowhere near as utterly useless as he was then without invisibility