>games require hours of training mode dedication >pretty

>pretty much have to buy a premium fightstick if i want to get good

stop

you just suck

people have won tourneys with normal controllers, not even fightpad controllers

a fightstick is not going to magically make you git gud

you just suck

>>382728073
The actual hurdle for fighting games is being born before 1990, which you obviously haven't cleared.

>>382728194
Literally the only game that controller players do well in is SF5 because the game doesn't have retardedly complex inputs. If you want to play 3s Yun or acpr Baiken, you have to buy a stick.

>>382728337
This, my younger brother who is 22 hates fighting games like Street Fighter, he prefers stuff like Mortal Kombat if he's going to play one.

No they don't, you're only looking for excuses as to why you're too lazy to learn how to play a fighting game.

for old games a stick was a requirement but now we got macross and shortcuts and a lot of other shit. These days using pad is actually more advantageous than using a stick. But there are good stick in the range of $150.

>>382728808
>macross
DO YOU REMEMBER LOVE

>>382728073
>use a keyboard
>master advanced movement in just days
Fuck off with your gaysticks.

>>382728480
There are multiple high level gg players that play on pad.

>>382728073
The problem with fighting games is that you need at least 1000 hours to be decent and 10000 to be good.
I started with the easiest one in SFV and the best i got after 130 hours is mid silver.

Its just not worth the time if you actually enjoy playing other games. Being bad/mediocre in fighting means losing a lot and training in practice endlessly, gets old quick.

>>382728480
People play Carl and Zato on pad and consistently do well. It's all personal preference.

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>>382729096
If they aren't Japanese, they aren't high level.

>>382728480
The last SFIV Evo winner was Luffy, a pad player using a PS1 pad dawg. There's Snake Eyez too, one of the best SFIV and SFV player and he plays on pad.

Some of the best players of Marvel also play on pad like Cloud805. The dude does Zero's lightning loops on a pad. Then there's Zidane, he plays Guilty Gear on pad and made Top 8 at Evo.

>>382728480
Doesn't Sonicfox play on pad? Isn't he the best in multiple snk titles?

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>>382729163
That's pretty dumb, but even if i did agree with that, Takehara is a prime example of a solid jp pad player.

are we just gonna ignore the nigga that won evo with a non-dualshock playstation pad

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Using specialized controllers is for massive faggots. Fightstick fags are just as bad as people who buy pic related for $500 because muh immersion.

It's not about the stick. It's about knowing where you're going. Not forgetting where you started. It's about having the courage to fail. Not breaking when you are broken. Taking everything you have been given.

And making something better. It's about work before glory. And what's inside of you. It's doing what they say you can't. It's not about the stick. It's about what you do with it. It's about being who you were born to be.

>>382728073
Neither of those things are true.
And you don't have to git gud to enjoy fighting games. Nobody forces you to be a tourneyfag. Just play games on the couch with your bro and don't worry about anything beyond that unless you want to.

>>382729396
>zidane
doesn't he play the most basic gooby gear character in the game?

>>382729514
As I stare at myself in the mirror, and the noises around me fade
No fear for my health, never give up though the voices around me say:
"It's a long shot, it'll never happen - don't put you money on that" as they're laughin'
I know I'm up against the best but we fightin' in the streets - left right, right left
This is what I live for right here - you think I'm gon' fold cause the lights glare?
Like I don't know what this life is? Well think again cause I won't no hype is
Ever what they paint it up to be, and the underdog is evidently
The one who got more to win - I'ma make you taste the ground; here's my Hadouken!

>>382728073
>pretty much have to buy a premium fightstick if i want to get good
You can get a totally usable stick for like, $60
And no, you don't need a stick to git gud
It's really just aesthetics and personal preference, many people play on stick so they can play in arcades without being unfamiliar with the controls.

EVO champions have won playing on PSX controllers before

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Last EVO was won by a guy using a standard ps4 controller. Hell, I won majority of people in fightcade or other online fighting games and I only use a 6$ keyboard.

You can't buy talent, OP. If you suck with a controller, you will still suck with a thousand bucks arcade stick.

>>382729502
I know. Fuck people who like to spend money on shit they like.

>>382728480
Tekken.
No seriously, Tekken.

>>382728480
Snake Eyez, Knuckledu, and Luffy all played SF4 with a pad, all NRS games work fine with a pad because of their dial-a-combo system, and Tekken has a huge pad playerbase.

>>382728073
reminder that the winner of the I think SF4 grand finals like two years ago won with a PS1 controller.
Stop shitposting

>>382730064
Nuckledu wasn't relevant until SF5. Luffy only won Evo because he abused Rose in a version that no one was familiar with. He became completely irrelevant after the Japs learned Rose.

>>382729502
Waay different feeling driving with a Wheel to a stick or keyboard. If you're using a wheel to play NFS or other arcade racing thats gay but you can't play proper racing sims on a keyboard.
Also, clutch

>>382730306
Knuckledu placed top 8 in SF4 at evo 2015

>>382729742
This

>>382728073
>buy a premium fightstick
Current world SFV champ is a padfag.

>>382728073
there isnt a single popular fighting game right now that requires a fightstick. all the world champions use pad. youre lying to yoruself.

>>382728073
>Muh fight stick meme.
Anybody worth their salt can master a controller when it comes to fighting games and beat out stick players, considering a lot of stick players anymore just fucking button mash like idiots.

>Premium fightstick.
>$300
thats pretty fucking laughable shit right there, you wanna spend $300 to "get gud"?
Jesus just go pay admittance fee and enter tournaments against fuckers and you'll get better faster. You can even do sparring sessions with people for fun.

>>382730561
Pad player here, I'd argue stick makes negative edge easier so it depends on the game/character

OP ignore these fags, I'll sell you a fight stick for only $200 it's quality shit man will up your game big time for real I win all the championships with this baby. Just paypal me [email protected] with your address and I'll ship it

>>382730306
>Nuckledu wasn't relevant until SF5.

Demonstrably false, and that's some nice goalpost moving peppered with some selective responses to top it off.

>>382730527
Only because capcom decided to level the playing field for pad players. Explain to me how pad players would do kara palms in 3s or j.d frc youzansen frc in acpr?

>>382729396
>>382730064
Snake Eyes actually plays with a pad? Gief is horrible with a pad.

>>382730761
By not having the motor skills of a 4 month old

>>382730638
>considering a lot of stick players anymore just fucking button mash like idiots.

As a stick player i certainly haven't heard this one before.

In my experience mashing is more just a casual player thing then a controller type thing.

>>382730761
>kara palms
>j.d frc youzansen frc in acpr
speaking like a nigger wont give you the pussy, mang

>>382730761
>How do you do hard inputs.
Practice.

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>tfw you take your $500 custom elphelt stick to a party with friends and they ask if they could try playing on it

>>382729742
>e or other online fighting games and I only use a 6$ keyboard.
>
>You can't buy talent, OP. If you suck with a controller, you will still suck with a thousand bucks arcade stick.Anonymous
>07/03/17(Mon)22:19:11 No.382729752 Anonymous 07/03/17(Mon)19:19:11 No.382729752>>382729502
>I know. Fuck people who like to spend money on shit they like.Anonymous
>07/03/17(Mon)22:19:43 No.382729796 Anonymous 07/03/17(Mon)19:19:43 No.382729796>>382728480
>Tekken.
>No seriously, Tekken.Anonymous
>07/03/17(Mon)22:22:56 No.382730064 Anonymous 07/03/17(Mon)19:22:56 No.382730064>>382730306 >>382730904>>382728480
>Snake Eyez, Knuckledu, and Luffy all played SF4 with a pad, all NRS games work fine with a pad because of their dial-a-combo system, and Tekken has a huge pad playerbase.Anonymous
>07/03/17(Mon)22:23:40 No.382730130 Anonymo

God this board is so stupid sometimes.

>>382731190
The fuck happened here

>>382731073
I have and seen it, the real only time I have ever seen great players are also the one's who tend to practice more on the arcade version more then a console/stick version. But that was then, and this is now I suppose.

Point being, with practice you can easily set the skill bar high.

I will however say this, I was far better at MVC2 BoneClaw wolverine on a stick then a pad, and never have come close to that since on either.

It sucks getting old.

>>382730904
SPD and double SPD's are often considered easier on a pad.

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>>382731190

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>>382728073
>bought SF4AE and a TE stick
>still suck and gave up
>many years later
>enjoying and having fun on SF5 with a normal PS4 pad

WHY DID I SPEND THAT T.E MONEY

WHY

Let's be honest, even with all this talk of which pros use pad and which don't, what does it matter? There's almost no chance you'll get good enough where the difference in input methods matters. It would be like saying "I can't play Melee because I don't have one of those fucked up controllers." You can still play and get good even if you're not ever going to be EVO level. Play with what you're comfortable using.

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anyone else notice how all these "top tier" pad players are all gaijins? kind of a funny observation when all of the top players in fighting games are nips.

>>382730904
sf4-5 gief spd only care about the carnal directions.

>>382731724

Nips stopped being relevant since they didnt get a one year head start this time.

>>382730638
you just cant hear people mashing on pads

>>382731836
or three, they still got three for Tekken. Tekken does too well in arcades for Bamco to go console only.

>>382731836
are you sure it's not because it's sf? legends with storied histories don't just crumble overnight unless the skill ceiling gets lowered to an inch off the ground.

>>382728073
Don't listen to any of the memers, buying an arcade stick is literally required to enjoy the game. Pads feel like shit, I hated fighting games until I bought a stick but now even losing is fun because I don't have to try and make Z shapes on a tiny ass mushy d-pad.

>>382730371
>using a clutch in 2017

LOL, silly euronigger. just have shift paddles or an autostick and let the gearbox take of the clutch for you. it's quicker anyway.

The reason Koreans dominate Tekken is because they use sticks
The west are too proud and used to pads cause "it works fine bro lol" and will therefore always be stuck in scrub tier.

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>>382731962
Real talk

I think we've hit a milestone in the FGC, where many of the "modern" FGC celebs that made names for themselves during the rise of the internet and social media are getting really fucking old by E-SpOrTS standards.

They're not shit, clearly. But that aura of dominance is gone and I'm not sure if they'll ever reclaim the so called legendary status they once had, some have already disappeared for one reason or another.

>>382732043
i bought a stick to replace using a 360 controller and it's fucking incredible. anyone with a real job can afford to buy one in one or two days of work.

it definitely takes a lot of time to git gud though. the transition to using the layout for 6 button fighters is still kinda rough for me, but i've been playing more tekken than sf.

>>382732615
Old players are becoming commentators and coaches. New players are rising up. It's the same cycle you see in other sports

>>382733084
athletes have real problems like calcium deposits in the joints. what the fuck kind of health problems do professional gamers run into lmao

>>382728073
they're a meme desu

I've been using arcade stick for years and I switched to keyboard. It's literally better with a little practice. Way easier to dash or instant air dash.

>>382733227
Slower reflexes, you're at your prime mid 20s. Also it takes a lot of work, coaching/commentating is relatively easier, and after a few years some just want out

>>382731962
Every SF has had different dominant players. That's nothing new. Most FG franchises don't fundamentally change with each iteration and the top players stay dominant for a long time for that reason.

I can execute literally anything on a mayflash. Last I checked those cost like 40 american dollars. You have no excuse to not git gud.

>>382731724
hmmmmmm why would people in japan use ARCADE sticks...really making me think here.......

>>382733345
Some people are switching to Hitboxes for that reason

>>382733759
yeah but they're way overpriced and not ergonomic

I might make my own eventually tho

>>382732256
>shift paddles or an autostick
t. the guy who fell for the camry or diesel bmw paddle shiftier meme

you make us muhmerican look bad anon

>>382728808
REMEMBER SIXTEEN

Why does a simple circuitboard and a few buttons cost $300?

>>382734036
>cases are free
The money on that stick is coming from its bigass case.

>>382728073
I don't know. Why does Dark Souls require you to die hundreds of times over many hours before you get good at the game?

Also, there are cheaper fighting sticks than in your post. A great example of an affordable but good fighting stick is the Qanba Carbon.

http://www.eightarc.com/carbon/
>Is as much as a Dualshock 4/Xbone Pad
>Has great default parts
>Is insanely easy to mod if you want better ones

I really don't see why people spend over $100 on arcade sticks these days.

>>382734036
There are more components than that but 300 is always overpriced.

You're still paying for the stick, buttons, board, and casing, and the quality of all of those can vary wildly.

>>382734036
Hobby equipment is usually highly priced.

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ez pz

>>382734548
poverty sticks are the best sticks

>>382734548
how do I cut circles

>>382734287
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153&cm_re=rosewill_case-_-11-147-153-_-Product

so where does the $250 go towards?

>>382735009
towards the company's profit obviously

only a few companies make them, sell to a niche audience. They have no reason to cut prices

>>382731724
>kind of a funny observation when all of the top players in fighting games are nips.

Such as?

>>382734394
>Why does Dark Souls require you to die hundreds of times over many hours before you get good at the game?
You can easily play Dark Souls with a regular controller, and moving around in 3D space is much much different than what happens in fighting games; they're claustrophobic in comparison.
>spending $60 on something that doesn't even work on new consoles

>>382733227
The drive to succeed becomes less when you've already won championships. Then there's burn-out that happens when you've been playing games for 20 years. And life comes in the way with marriage, kids, work, etc.

Most of the greatest chess players of all time have been in their 20s and 30s.

>>382735009
>hey look this 100% unrelated product is $50 so this should cost $50
Might want to get yourself checked for autism
A PC case isn't meant to have moving parts smacked by your hands on it, it doesn't need to be anywhere near as rigid and durable for its size

>>382733227
>what the fuck kind of health problems do professional gamers run into lmao
Sitting around on your ass playing video games ain't exactly good for your health. Shit can add up over time and if you develop something like IBS, diabeetus, hypertension, bad back, or anything like that it will take away your ability to train and concentrate at a high level.

>>382733586
>I can execute literally anything on a mayflash
Also this.

There is A LOT of placebo when it comes to the differences between arcade sticks. The chinese knock-off joysticks you find in mayflash sticks and the non-sanwa Hori products is just as good as the Sanwa/Seimitsu stuff. Same goes for the buttons. People will tell you they can tell a difference, but it's all in their head. It's just a lever hitting microswitches in a square. And not very gently at that.

>>382735242
X-Input support also means it works on the Xbone.

Also, just about every fighting game on the PS4 supports PS3 sticks. You can thank MikeZ for that.

>>382729502
fightsticks are nice desu
i don't really care about muh performance but they feel good to use

>>382735904
This
Lots of games just feel "right" on a stick and it's fun to use
Plus when I go to the arcade and play the same games, I'm already used to that control scheme

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>>382728073
because some grown men find thrill in challenging themselves against others. it's called not being a beta faggot.

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>>382734548
You'd do better to go a thrift store and look for a small plastic briefcase. That way it won't flex when you're trying to move.

>>382734036
the buttons and sticks are designed to be used in arcade cabinets, not single-user sticks. they're surprisingly pricey because they're built to withstand being abused by tons of kids and shit. they're overpriced regardless but they're not really that overpriced considering the niche audience and expensive components.

>>382736205
A full set of Sanwa buttons and a stick is like $45.

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>>382735954
>Start out with a pad
>Do pretty damn good, feel no need for a stick
>Decide to get a stick anyway
>Awkward for the 1st week
>2nd week I'm moving and landing combos like crazy
>Go over to a friend's house to play fighting games
>Forget my stick at home
>Have to play with a pad
>Feels absolutely terrible, despite somehow managing to land everything I could before
>Never want to touch pad for fighting games again

This just happened to me with Tekken 7 too, and people usually swear by pads for Tekken games.

>>382735767
>Same goes for the buttons. People will tell you they can tell a difference, but it's all in their head.

That's bullshit. Low quality buttons will stick after a short time and/or get mushy, or just be mushy out of the box. You can also get PCB's with high lag.

That's why I play smash, OP. Anyone can get into it

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>>382728073
>pretty much have to buy a premium fightstick if i want to get good
pretty muchER you're making excuses for being a low I.Q. / poor motor skills scrub, plebe

>you may also like...

The past few major tourneys were won by people using the regular PS4 controller.

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>you'll never be this swag

>>382735894
>just about every fighting game on the PS4 supports PS3 sticks
List?

>>382736437
They feel stiffer (because they are and that is to make them last longer) but it makes zero difference to your gameplay.

Sanwa buttons are actually cheaper and shittier than Hori's own in-house buttons. The last through far less button presses. There is a special brand of Sanwa button that is designed to last longer and but it is actually just Sanwa's version of the Hori button kek.

Years ago people convinced themselves Sanwa buttons were good because they were more "sensitive". Whatever the fuck that means because you are simply going to be hammering on them during an actual match. Never even considering that many of the top guys in Japan prefer to use seimitsu sticks and buttons which are stiffer, as well as the fact that that is what shipped in actual Capcom installed candy cabs of the past. Sanwa was the standard for Virtua Fighter, not Street Fighter.

It's all a bunch of fucked up notions that came out of SRK's tech talk section years ago by people who only half-way knew what they were doing. I was one of them. Eventually a lot of those guys did realize the follies of what they were doing but the damage was done and now it's still all about muh sanwa.
>muh jordans

>>382736465
4 maybe

>>382736895
I can't find a comprehensive list but I know for a fact that

>SFIV
>SFV
>GGXrd
>BB (all versions on PS4)
>Skullgirls
>Tekken 7

all work with PS3 sticks on the PS4.

They probably wouldn't have if MikeZ wasn't such a bro making his PS3 stick driver free to use, however.

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>People still cling to the stick meme

They're for people who have a history with using them, the switch from whatever input method you use to another whether that be pad to stick, stick to pad will only set you back.

I fell for it too, back when tournament streaming had just become a thing and it was the veterans who dominated with their fancy sticks.

So I went out and bought one and for a while I improved to heights ever before reached by me and so naturally bought into the hype, but eventually I came to realize that the only role the stick played in my improvement was that I was practicing more, playing more and character reading guides and tips to justify my expensive purchase.

TL;DR; use whichever you're comfortable with,what matters is your attitude towards getting better.

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>tfw none of the legacy drivers for PS4 fighters support my Saturn pad adapter
Guess I'm just gonna rep the Crystal from now on.

>>382729502
Fuck you I learned to drive cars and fly planes before I was even old enough for my permit thanks to those things.
>tfw 4 months away from my pilot's license

>>382737327
>eventually I came to realize that the only role the stick played in my improvement was that I was practicing more, playing more and character reading guides and tips to justify my expensive purchase
This is a negative, how? You will never see this happening going from stick to pad. Most people dislike fighting games because they don't realize using a stick is literally the only way to make it easy to understand what you're doing.
>"B-but X used a pad and won!!!"
Yeah, they probably also had played on a stick at some point. It's just easier in every way for someone to use a stick for movement than a d-pad.

>>382736974
I'm referring to buttons that actually stick, as in don't pop back up, which low quality ones can do. I don't disagree with most of what you're saying but not all buttons are the same.

Does anyone else mod their stick and pretend it's their weapon? Like every time I go to my locals, I feel like a character in Yu Gi Oh with a portable duel disk. If I ever need to fight a battle, I just need to unsheathe masamune (the name of my stick) and 勝負する.

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>try and play with Xbox 360 D-Pad
>Even worse than using the stick on it
Oh well

>>382733946
There is literally nothing wrong with paddle shifters. I bet you call people with ABS on their cars memelord casuals too.

>used to play counterstrike using my laptop touchpad
>people went insane because I wouldn't use a mouse

Just practice with what you have and you'll get good.

>>382737790
>I'm referring to buttons that actually stick, as in don't pop back up, which low quality ones can do.
Yeah maybe stop stuffing your face with donuts and mountain dew while playing games and you won't get that problem anymore. Has nothing to do with the buttons.

>>382730371
>not just using a 360 pad
>not just mapping clutch to left bumper and heal toeing with your left index finger
Dirt Rally is fun as fuck when you pull off a sweet clutch kick in the middle of a handbrake drift on a hairpin.

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protip for those playing on pc. Just buy an old 360 stick.

>>382728073

>needing a fight stick

This meme is for low IQ mongrels

>>382737649
It's not a negative and he didn't really portray it as one. Him buying a stick was a positive thing because in part it made him want to dedicate himself towards getting better at the game, but none of that has to do directly with the stick itself. The functions of the stick played no discernible part in making him better at the game.

>>382728808
>macros
disgusting

>>382738240
I never said that I had that problem myself, I'm talking facts, and shitty buttons still stick. It's your right to be ignorant to the truth.

>>382731190

lol learn2quote you fucking retard

>>382738746
>none of that has to do directly with the stick itself
It's easier to use to play the game.

so what's a cheap good fightstick I can use to play Blazblue on PC

>>382737649

>This is a negative, how?

People are pissing away money when all they need is the right attitude.

>Most people dislike fighting games because they don't realize using a stick is literally the only way to make it easy to understand what you're doing

By resetting a person's knowledge of where buttons should be?

People don't like fighting games anymore because they're difficult and require time and patience.

>Yeah, they probably also had played on a stick at some point

And they were so good they decided to make it fair on all the other players by using inferior controllers? Get the fuck out of here.

>>382729502
yeah fuck specialized controllers man let's play guitar hero with a dualshock

>>382730527
>SFV
this is a thread about fighting games

>>382739780
>all they need is the right attitude
>can't get the right attitude without having done well in a fighting game before
>can't have done well in a fighting game as a noob before without shitloads of practice instead of just buying the superior controller and having everything just make sense

>>382738891
>and shitty buttons still stick
They don't. Stop spilling soda on your joystick.

>>382736713
why do his games have giant stickers on them?

>>382739269
Prove it. If you can't, then that's just an opinion.

>>382739940

>Everyone just makes sense to when presented with something the vast majority of video game players have never used

The stick has it's own learning curve if it hasn't been your default input method like controllers in their current form have been since the SNES.

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>>382739606
Used Hori off of Ebay. 99% of the time, most people don't go full ape child and may need a gate replacement at best.
If you want to play it safe, a Mayflash or Hori Mini if you don't mind a case that can't handle much weight on it. Until you DIY the parts to a bigger case anyway.
Full DIY with a shoecase/suitcase/hatcase, the parts, and a board.

/v/ will always be bad at fighting games

>>382739875

You can and it's perfectly viable, the guitar, drums etc are for novelty only.

>>382728073
>>pretty much have to buy a premium fightstick if i want to get good
stop making excuses you fucking garbage bin motherfucker

actually a fighting stick gimps you. no matter how good you get with it, its a larger distance from left to right and itll never be faster thena keyboard

>>382742019
how much do they pay you to shill shitbox?

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>>382742019
>just show up to a local with a keyboard like an autist

>>382742339
i wouldnt use that either. imo

someone should make a fighting game with smash bros inputs. qcf, charge motions, etc. just seems superfluous in this day and age and it feels like they only exist to drive stick sales.

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As a Stick user, the only reason why using a stick would make you better at fighters is because you have to justify your expensive purchase of a controller that pretty much does nothing that your other controllers can already do, so you make yourself play more to not feel like a faggot.

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>>382742424
>show up to a local
>>not showing up to evo with a keyboard
>>>a piano keyboard

>>382742019
That difference will very rarely make or break you.

Just fucking use what you like. Hardly any of you are good enough for these minor differences in devices to matter in your play to significant degree.

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>>382742680

>>382742791
This. It helped me.

>>382742791
Spoken from true ignorance.
Sticks give you the ability to piano buttons, and the balltop gives you more precise control in games with less input leniency where that matters.

>>382744296
You can do that with a keyboard and faster

>>382744423
Not everyone likes the feel of keyboards or having to put them on a table or other supporting structure.

>>382744296
That won't help you with more important traits in fighters like reads, what to punish with and frame data. what you listed won't make you better fighter if you don't know the fundamentals. And spending hundred plus dollars is not necessary for learning the fundamentals. Also it really depends on the players. People that use sticks do so because it what they are comfortable with, not because it makes you a better player in a general sense.

>>382744693
And? It's still gimping yourself

>>382738504
do sticks with a reverse layout even exist? I only ever see sticks on the left and buttons on the right, what about the other way around?

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Is there anyone else here who has a stick for stuff other than fighting games and couldn't give a fuck less about what input method is best for fighting games?

Shmups and metal slug here, feels good being able to trash high score tables in the arcades since I'm already used to playing on stick

>>382745164
I don't think anyone makes one stock but if a stick has plexiglass you can replace, you'd be able to put stuff wherever you wanted

>>382745475
Don't most sticks have a metal panel under the plexi?

>>382745471
yo where's that?

>>382745557
most do but not all

>>382745471
tfw had a couple shooters for xbox360 but couldn't get into them

>>382745059
I never said or implied any of that so I really don't know why you typed it all out.

>>382745149
What exactly is gimping myself?

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>>382728073
>Why do fighting games have such high hurdles?

Because they're worth it.

A well-made 1v1 fighting game is the ultimate expression of player versus player. It's the only genre where the only relevant knowledge is your own abilities, your opponent's abilities, and nothing else.

No power-ups to shift the balance. No using the terrain to your advantage. No using a third player as a patsy to help you steal victory. The most under-handed thing you can do is counter-pick a character your which puts your opponent's character at a slight disadvantage which knowledge and specialized tactics can counter-act.

It's just you and your opponent, with no excuses for failure or qualifiers for success. Every victory or loss is earned fairly.

If you want an easy game where your opponents can carry you to victory without putting in practice, play 3v3 Rocket League bronze.

>>382744296

If your ability to piano buttons is more important than your fundamentals, congratulations: You're shitting yourself in bronze tier.

>>382745570
Round 1
It's like Dave and Buster's but it's a weeaboo haven on top of a normie arcade

>>382745817
Serious answer? In this context giving yourself a disadvantage

>>382746103
I never said that you goddamned idiot. I said a stick will give you the ability to do certain things that are otherwise extremely hard on a pad. This thread is full of fucking idiots.

>>382745709
Because that was the whole point to my first post? You know, before you reply to me with a bunch of shit that had nothing to do with making someone better at fighters.

>>382736404


>bought Tekken 7 for PS4 (PC is getting old)
>Actually getting into it, first fighting game I've really enjoyed
>Can't use my Qanba stick I use for shmups on PC

I found an adapter online though that supposedly takes PC/360 controllers and makes them work on PS4. Might be worth the 30 smackers.

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>>382742848
Until we see keyboards start to dominate top-level tourneys across the board, the mechanical advantage/disadvantage of debating the merits of keyboards vs pads vs sticks is just wank.

If the top-level pros can't agree on which input scheme is definitely "best", anyone who claims counter to that is a fucking moron who thinks the microsecond advantage of retraining your fundamentals from the ground up on a keyboard outweighs your inability to read an opponent.

>>382746371
You claimed that using a stick has no advantage and does nothing that any other input method can't and that's factually incorrect.
My reply was as on topic as it could be.

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>>382746346
Congratulations, you're a moron.

My PDP Versus Fightpad gives me all the advantages of a stick's control and all the comfort of playing with a traditional controller.

There's a couple other controllers with similar d-inputs which likewise render your argument moot.

Your point is invalid.

>>382746586
>You claimed that using a stick has no advantage and does nothing that any other input method can't and that's factually incorrect.
No I didn't ,read it again retard. I said that it "pretty much does nothing" How accurate you are with a d-pad would counter your balltop comment and piano-ing isn't necessary and still can be done with a controller anyways. And Again the whole point was about if Fightstick would make you better at fighters.

>>382746751
That analog stick is garbage and shouldn't even be factored into the conversation, and six button pads are still difficult to piano with compared to standard 30mm buttons.
And aside from that you can't have the extra two buttons most sticks have which aren't necessary, but useful in certain games.

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>>382728337
Judging by this thread OP probably wasn't even born before 2000

>>382747189
That stick is fine.

Additionally, unless you're reversing the orientation on your HP/LP and HK/LK on your six-pattern, you're working against your hand's natural mechanics anyway.

Try cycling pinky to forefinger in rapid succession. Now try doing the same thing from forefinger to pinky. If you don't notice the speed and coordination difference there, discussing the mechanical differences of an input scheme is pointless for you in the first place.

>>382747127
Ok, I'll just quote your own post because you clearly don't even know what you typed.

As a Stick user, the only reason why using a stick would make you better at fighters is because you have to justify your expensive purchase of a controller that pretty much does nothing that your other controllers can already do

>that pretty much does nothing that your other controllers can already do

Also, pianoing is absolutely necessary for numerous characters because they have literal piano inputs. It's not absolutely impossible on a pad or fightpad, but ask around and see how many pad users use Blanka or Honda in SF4.

>>382729647
you know what they say, the third strike is what counts
you can get it too, dont think that i cant knock you out
out
out
knock you out
out-out
knock-knock you
ou-ou-out
dont think that I can knock you out

>>382747619
I should specify "good" Honda or Blanka players.

>>382747469
I'm not sure what you mean when you're talking about pianoing left to right compared to right to left. The direction of the input depends on what you're trying to do in-game. Cancelling jab into Honda's hands is a different input than HP or MK.

I was referring to the smaller face buttons on the pad and them having six buttons when eight are more useful in some scenarios.

>>382728073
What's wrong with investing time and money into a hobby that makes you happy? No one is forcing you to get good at fighting games. If you don't want to train for hours and hours just find some low rank shitter friends to play in lobbies with.

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I play with keyboard and I do just fine, not like I'm going to locals or anything