was being underpowered a mistake? I would bet money that if Nintendo's

>>382680262
>was being underpowered a mistake
Not if their intention was to make a centralized console system that has mobile accessibility.

>>382680262
The exclusives alone sell the system by themselves, a higher price would just scare away potential buyers. And then you have something like XOX, which doesn't either have exclusives nor it is affordable...

>>382680586
well I'm not saying that Nintendo should put all their chips in the hardware bag - if there's anything history shows it's that hardware alone does NOT sell systems.

>>382680262
Microsoft have already thrown in the towel. There won't be another Xbox

>>382680262
they found a market with the hybrid concept they wouldn't have attracted with yet another 4k second rate pc and the hybrid concept itself required relatively low specs to exist, so no, it evidently wasn't a mistake

l'm also pretty sure even with a system technically on par with the competition, the third party situation would still be as shitty

>>382680262
>demolish Microsoft
I'm pretty sure that goal is irrelevant since MS has a monopoly and crafting their own demise. Now demolishing Sony would be a goal worth stating except that it will never happen because their are way too many 3rd party games and you need to play them somewhere. (Mustard race is a shrinking demographic whether you think it makes sense or not)

>>382680586
I think the inability to buy one for the actual price and having to pay 500 dollars to some faggot without a real job if you want one did that.

>>382680262
I doubt they could make a more powerful console considering it's form factor.

>>382680989
I'm not saying that the SWITCH should have been powerful, I was referencing a hypothetical future console

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>>382680262
>I would bet money that if Nintendo's next console is truly next gen and relatively well equipped, and with Nintendo exclusives, they would be able to demolish Microsoft once and for all

You know , it's funny, you've got to wonder how many people have said this over the past decade and how much theoretical money they would've lost.

>>382680262
It's not underpowered so not really. Plus, even if it was, power doesn't matter anymore. Most people don't even have 4K tvs

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>>382680262
>was being underpowered a mistake?
Gee I wonder if developing games for a fraction of the cost and selling them for full price could be in some way advantageous?

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>>382680262
>was being overpowered a mistake? I would bet money that if Microsoft's next console is truly last gen and relatively poor equipped, and with HALO, they would be able to demolish Nintendo once and for all

>>382680903
See I'm not saying I'm against free market or anything, but don't you agree we may need some kind of law to punish scalpers?

>>382681053
I mean it hasn't happened yet. Please understand that he said "if x then y". X has yet to happen so nothing has been bet.

>>382680262
Considering the GameCube ALMOST killed them... I think the Switch angle is a better one. An hybrid/powerful handheld that can dock into the TV as a companion system.

>https://web.archive.org/web/20130820151549/http://www.notenoughshaders.com:80/2013/08/15/the-struggles-of-marketing-the-gamecube/

>>382680262
How exactly would it demolish Microsoft? Nintendo is purely video games and Microsoft basically controls the world with technology.

>>382681280
yeah a law that says we can scalp them

>>382681376
*xbox

>>382681376
Demolish in the sense there would be no place for them on the console market obviously.

>>382681425
An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind.

>they would be able to demolish Microsoft once and for all

only sony and microsoft want to 'demolish' one another.

nintendo does not need to give a shit about what the others are doing.

>>382681348
>gamecube/GBA were more profitable than the PS2
>NINTENDO ALMOST DIED
Jesus how fucked was Sony at the time?

>>382680262
>was being underpowered a mistake?
Didn't stop PS2 or Wii from dominating their generations by a landslide.

>>382680262
>and with Nintendo exclusives, they would be able to demolish Microsoft once and for all
Microsoft is doing a swell job at it all by themselves.
They are masters of own foot shooting, 360 no scope full auto.

>>382681995
Did you even read the interview? Literally the GBA and Pokémon helped Nintendo stay afloat until the Wii saved their bank account.

The PS2 moved more units than any other system, even if it was less profitable per unit, the staggering ammount of units sold made it more profitable.

It also helped the PS2's hardware was the worst of it's generation. Even worse than the DreamCast considering it couldn't move Sonic at 60fps.

>>382682302
>Even worse than the Dreamcast
no

>>382680262
The 3DS is still outselling the PS4, so no, power has jackshit to do with sales.

>>382682302
>>382681220
They didn't "stay afloat" they were more profitable than the Playstation division.

>Switch is more powerful
The battery lasts an hour! This is horseshit!
>Larger battery added
It's too heavy and bulky to be convenient to carry!
>System is made more compact
It overheats!
>More efficient, but more expensive cooling solution is implemented
It costs too much!

If you're concerned about specs, get a fucking gaming PC.

>>382682424
Sonic Heroes and Shadow run on the Sonic Adventure engine.

Sonic Adventure ran at 60fps in the Dreamcast.
For some godforsaken reason, they couldnt get them to run above 30 in the PS2, but Sony badly wanted Sanic on PlayStation and twisted SEGA's arm (originally Heroes was going to be a GameCube exclusive)

>>382683001
>If you're concerned about specs, get a fucking gaming PC.
And run BOTW in 4K@7FPS while stuttering, crashing missing particles and other features.

>>382681220
>developing for a lower spec system makes it cheaper
>when the biggest expenditure in modern video games is marketing
>something nintendo is spending a very large amount of money on to get the switch to be successful
hm

>>382683129
wow, it's almost like games used to be optimized for the hardware they were designed for...?

>>382680262
they don't want to demolish microsoft
they want to demolish sony

>>382683001
>If you're concerned about specs, get a fucking gaming PC
I did. It's a shame nintendo are putting all their eggs into the "google pixel c rebrand" basket, but that means I simply won't buy any of their games. Their loss.

>>382680262
We always think that Nintendo is going to try to directly compete with the other companies in the next generation, but they always find some reason no to.

>>382683265
More like the DreamCast had a better processor than the PS2 did.

The PS2 was very shoddily made (remember the lasers burning out right away?) and a hassle to program for, but the masses hype was too big.

>>382683151
You're an idiot. The biggest cost in game development is asset creation. Modeling and animating in higher fidelity simply takes more manhours, that's why Assassin's Creed went from five minutes to 29 minutes of credits. The marketing budgets exploded only in response to that. Nobody would spend $200m marketing a $5m game, but when you invest $100m in a product you want to be damn sure that it sells.

>>382683379
>Their loss.
Hardly.

>>382680262
isn't the power comparable to a 360?
I don't see that as under-powered in a handheld at all. I'm excited to see what the future holds in the vc department (gamecube vc please holy shit) but rn I'm hype for rocket league and splatoon 2, which will be very interesting alongside mario kart and (hopefully) a smash 4 port, for hand-held competitive gaming.

>>382680262
>I would bet money that if Nintendo's next console is truly next gen and relatively well equipped, and with Nintendo exclusives, they would be able to demolish Microsoft once and for all
What would happen is that no one would buy it because it's still Nintendo and Nintendo themselves would have blown a fortune on parts.

>>382684027
no, the wii u was twice as powerful as the 360 and the switch is twice as powerful as the wii u.

>>382684302
then I consider that more than adequately powered

>>382683391
They don't need to compete because there's no competition in the first place.

>>382684407
then why isn't it getting games?

>>382684302
Is 360 really that weak? That can't be right.

>>382684472
>why isn't it getting games in the age of paying people off
You tell me.

>>382684517
Is 2004 hardware really that weak? That can't be right

>>382684472
it's all in the pipeline, right?

The Switch is Wii U 2.
No one will miss out on anything by never owning one.

>>382684472
One full game per month with a few bazillion indies whenever you feel like to waste money sounds reasonable to me. I remember WiiU having droughts even when taking into account 3DS titles.

>>382684421
Well yeah, that's their strategy. Seeking out non-competitive newgrounds that the other two aren't exploiting.

>>382684675
we really can't go one thread without shitposting falseflaggers huh? we were doing so good too

>>382684517
In pure processing power the difference is not that big, but the Switch has all the features of a modern chipset that make a massive difference, plus like 8 times the RAM. The PS3/360 would shit themselves if they even tried to run BotW.

>>382684626
>2004 was 23 years ago
man I'm getting old

If they made it more powerful they wouldn't be able to make it have handheld functionality, or at least the handheld functionality would be useless since the battery would go dead in like an hour.

The Switch is fine the way it is. Here's hoping they eventually move all 3DS centric games to the Switch

Nintendo is just once again being Nintendo. Gimmicks are more important than graphics.

>>382684737
>>382684737
yeah, like selling goog games. Surprised sony haven't tried that one

>>382684891
>one hour battery life
>nuclear hot
>sounds like a jet engine
The Switch is truly the best way it could have been done with current tech.

>>382685130
see >>382684796

>>382685130
Good. If they didn't give it gimmicks it'd be an underpowered PC

>>382684891
Monhun, FE and Pokémon are already confirmed so I think it's safe to say the era of 240p 10fps is finally coming to an end.

>>382685130
I'd prefer gameplay with gimmicks than hardware that's only use is fancy graphics.

>>382685182
To be fair Switch is kinda loud as it is, the temperature is amazingly low in handheld mode though.

>>382680262
Underpowered? But it's the most powerful portable of all time by far.

>>382685721
it's also the most expensive portable

>>382685447
>To be fair Switch is kinda loud as it is
Not really, as a system with a fan it's incredibly quiet.

>>382680449
>>382680262

They could have launched 3-6 months later and had a chip significantly more powerful whilst running cooler... For the same fucking cost

>>382686121
That'll be the first hardware revision then.

>>382680262

all consoles are inherently underpowered by virtue of being marketable to the biggest audience possible, otherwise we would all game on computers, what should be condemned is paid online with menial "services", absurd lack of context and freedom of usage of several key aspects of the hardware


example, the switch has tons of features that are gimped by the inherent nature of the console, it has a touch screen that will never be used by video games because you "have" to have the possibility to play it while docked and the screen is not avaiable when it's docked, 2 step forwards, one step backwards...

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>>382680262
Honestly, the switch is a huge piece of shit. I waited in line to get this for my girlfriend since we live together. And breath of the wild is a piece of shit. It doesn't know if it wants to be an open world game or a zelda game. It's so fucking boring and the story is thin as hell.

But that's not why it sucks, it sucks because it's still stuck in 2006 and there isn't even a headphone jack in the controller. If you want to play on your tv you have to use a extender. Its actually fucking baffling that they didn't put one in. There are no games for this shit and a fuck load of switchs are filled to the brim with dead pixels, unresponsive joycons and other worthless crap. Nothing is good about this think other than MH XX. But I'll just get that on the DS since it's the same game and play MH on the ps4.

I'm done with nintendo. Have you seen the splatoon voice chat?

HAHAHAHAAHAHHAHHAAAHAHAH

>>382685813
Not surprising that higher-end hardware costs more. Only $50 more than the Vita's launch price is pretty admirable, considering how big the gap in specs is.

>>382686121
>Years or development and research
>"Lol just wait 3 months and slap in a different chip"

You're ignorance is on an amazing scale.

>>382681348

I literally never knew the gamecube existed until it was so late in its cycle that it costed 90$ at gamestop, granted I was 13 years old at the time but fuck nintendo, I thought they stopped making videogames after the nintendo 64.

>>382684302
>twice as powerful as the wii u.

why the fuck does zelda run like shit then
seriously everytime I turn on the za warudo rune the framerate goes blight-town

>>382686529
>Only $50 more than the Vita's launch price is pretty admirable
Well the regular version, the 3G version was the same price.

>>382686709
It might be that the switch is weak as fuck.

It might be they didn't have an awful lot of time to port the game over

>>382686324
The touch screen feature could easily be replaced by wagglan when docked.

>>382686529
Not only that but 2 player out of the box and you can hook it up to your TV effortless which is nice value instead of a back touch pad.

>>382686709
Because the game isnt optimized for the Switch.

>>382686324
>it has a touch screen that will never be used by video games because you "have" to have the possibility to play it while docked and the screen is not avaiable when it's docked
Nearly all of the games utilize the touchscreen in some way anon.

After witnessing the multiple iterations of the DS system throughout the years, I have little doubt that the Switch will receive similar treatment. I can wait for the improved version.

>>382687856
The Switch is predominantly a home console.
It'll probably get one if it does at all.

Yes.

Just like it was the last two times they did it.

>>382686592

The successor to the chip in the switch already exists and it's fully backwards compatible.

It would have been trivial for NVidia to alter the design of the console for the new chip and any game currently in development would have run on it with no modifications.

The main issue with them not going with it was allegedly fears they wouldn't have enough of them. Ironically they have production issues with the Switch now, not because of the CPU, but because of the memory.

>>382686260

Nintendo never give fucking support to hardware revision power boosts.

It would be nice to think now that they have dock/undock modes for current games and the existance of the PS4 Pro and xxboxxx that it would get more support though.

>>382684302
Twice the ram doesn't mean twice as powerful.

>>382686709
Bad port

>>382688521
Well, the New 3DSsesses do run faster, even if most games don't use the extra power and it mostly affects just load times and such.

>>382688023
If it cannabalizes the DS handheld market (sounds likely after hearing that MH and Pokemon are crossing over), I think it's a sure thing. I agree that one revision is probably all.

>>382687856
>>382688023
>>382688882
It's just gonna get a handheld only SKU once Pokemon gets out.

>>382686490
Write a blog about it.

>>382686709
basically the game was all set to come out on wiiu and nintendo told them a few months before the switch was announced "lol its gonna be on the switch so get on it lads"
we are lucky it runs so well on the system at all, post update i dont notace any frame drops

>>382688274
This is all just consumer speculation. Nothing you said has anything to do with the quality assurance both nintendo and nividia did to develop the switch.

>This chip is backwards compatible so surely it will work just fine with the previous testing!

You can't possibly be in the tech industry.

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>>382680262
>most powerful handheld ever made, more than twice as strong as the previous most powerful
>underpowered
and it's not like anyone wants to play Battlefield or Asscreed on their Nintendo console.

>>382688853

It's annoying that they can't trust developer to properly use delta-t so they can't do "boost" modes for higher frame rates.

>>382686490
Hand doesn't count

>>382689342
>Battlefield or Asscreed
As a matter of fact, I don't want to play those in any system.

>>382688274
The X2? That's an automobile SOC. It's made for cars, not mobile devices. Nvidia still considers the X1 to be their most advanced mobile processor, and they're still using it in their 2017 products. I don't know of any reason to think the X2 would be the same price as the X1, either.

>>382686324
get a job you whiney fuck

>>382689208

The PS3 launch games were developed on fucking PowerPcs AND Sony over-promised on it's power. The launch still went ok. That was a completely different architecture.

For the Saturn they literally added a second CPU not long before release and it went fine.

So long as you stick to the documentation and the console makers are even slightly competent at coding SDKs/Compilers, you can easily cope with Hardware changes.

>>382689816

It's on a smaller die, it literally costs them less to make it.

>That's an automobile SOC

And the 3DS graphics chip was used in medical devices.

>>382690165
>And the 3DS graphics chip was used in medical devices.
So that's why it refuses to die.

>>382690269

You could even say it's hardware is on life support!

>>382689936
>>382689936
Alright.
Well i'm still very skeptical of all of this and a lot has sure changed in terms of testing for those examples you gave. Regardless, changing the hardware soon after for todays market sounds very risky.

The Switch could have made Scorpio look like the Atari 2600 and it wouldn't matter.

The long and short of it is third parties can't, don't and won't compete with Nintendo's first party games when the Xbox, Playstation and PC audience for better or worse will buy ANYTHING.

>>382684734
>Waste money
I don't get why everyone shits on Indies, I have a lot of fun with indie games, I feel like the entire swath of them gets undeserved flak.

>>382693465
Most indies tend to be very shallow and/or with graphics grossly unfit for the age they exist in.

>>382693045
>the Xbox, Playstation and PC audience for better or worse will buy ANYTHING
>implying that isn't true for Nintendo fans as well

>>382693868
If you can't look past pixel graphics to good gameplay, why even play games? Honestly, though, the fact that bad indie games exist shouldn't invalidate indie games as something that systems can play. Meat boy, gunvolt, shovel knight, and cave story are all phenomenal games, and there's plenty more where they came from.

>>382694041
You say that but they didn't buy Star Fox or Federation Force, did they.

>>382680262
>was being underpowered a mistake?
In terms of getting 3rd parties, absolutely.

But the GC was stronger than PS2 and still didn't get 3rd parties, so its basically a catch-22.

>>382694162
Good gameplay only justifies 2000 graphics up to a certain point.

>>382694272
>and still didn't get 3rd parties
It got a fair amount of them actually until developers decided to put more time and effort into PS2 versions leaving both the Xbox and GC in the dust for a chance of profit.

>>382694041

If it was you'd see more third party support.

>>382694206
I didnt buy #FE too!

>>382694368
Maybe I'm just blind and biased, can you name a few games that you feel are particularly bad in that regard?

>>382694272
Surely the minidisc had something to do with that?

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>>382680262
>portable device powerful enough for people to compare it to the current gen consoles
>underpowered
I feel like sometimes people forget this is a handheld device.

>>382695558
Nah, most third party games at the time weren't big enough to fill up a minidisc.

>>382681231
halo's dead, ever since 4

>>382686324
>it has a touch screen that will never be used by video games because you "have" to have the possibility to play it while docked
VOEZ for Switch cannot be played in docked mode. Nintendo is fine with handheld-only titles, they're not fine with docked-only ones.

>>382696069
>powerful enough for people to compare it to the current gen consoles
No one but delusional retards did that
Everyone else laughed out loud anytime someone mentioned the specs.

>>382680262
no. especially for a mobile device, being underpowered is an advantage.

A console without 3rd party support won't demolish shit no matter how many 1st party exclusives it has. 3rd party games are the majority of games released every year and they are the ones that add the diversity to the game libraries of consoles.

PS4's success is not because of its exclusives but because it has the strongest 3rd party support across all systems, including PC. PC seems to have more games but it's only an illusion created by a bunch of shovelware made by every shitty indie dev there is.

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The problems with Nintendo using any other chip is Nvidia probably didn't have anything ready that wouldn't overheat in a portable device. Px2 from Nvidia still takes to much power per watt. Die shrink wouldn't be enough to get the power consumption down.

The other issue is too expensive to use Qualcomm and they only guranteed 2 years support from their own chips. I doubt Nintendo would even get priority compared to LG , Samsung and the likes.

Another issue is the switch needed a battery unfortunately new battery technology is to dangerous to put in new devices.

I won't be surprised if Nvidia and Nintendo go with standard arm 75 or 73 CPU design with HMP enabled since tegra x1 doesn't have this. Nvidia could just use their gpu design on this.

Nintendo best option is taking the vitas market and transition the 3ds market as well over here. While the switch does have gimmicks the one they advertise about portability is a good one.

The thing is that the switch is underpowered even by todays standards. It's not getting high profile AAA games which are the best selling games on any other platforms and the problem will only get bigger when the next generation of consoles eventually launches. The thing about nintendo platforms is that they seem to have given up after the gamecube to compete with the other 2 big console manufacturers and they have embraced their life as complementary hardware. If you play video games and own a nintendo product then you most likely own one of the other 3 platforms aswell, you only buy nintendo platforms if you are a fan of nintendo games.

>>382702216
>Nintendo best option is taking the vitas market and transition the 3ds market as well over here.
It's probably why the 3DS is still going. I doubt Nintendo will make another dedicated handheld separate from the Switch, but I could seem them coordinating the end of the 3DS with a price drop in the Switch. Bring it down to the levels people spend on for handheld only consoles while moving the games they want over to it. Both are selling well, but the Switch also simply can't sell much better than it is now due to supply issues. So there's no reason the kill the 3DS until it either drops usage on its own or until the Switch can pick up the difference.

What will be the better console in the long run; nintendo switch or snes mini?

>>382683129
>Sonic Heroes and Shadow run on the Sonic Adventure engine.
No it doesn't

Heroes and Shadow run on a different one, built for the Xbox and Gamecube, it's a reason why both games were shitshows on the PS2, the console wasn't equipped to handle it

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>>382680262
It's not underpowered. It's way more powerful than the previous console: The Nintendo 3DS

>>382687224

nice examples gayman

>>382689824

epic projecting neetard

>>382680262
>I already own an xbox/Ps4, why would I buy another expensive console to compete with them?

>>382686490
>I waited in line to get this for my girlfriend
Nobody cares about your opinions normalfag

For a console, having a cool gimmick is better than pretending you're even a quarter as powerful as a modern gaming PC. Doesn't really matter anyway as (most) of Nintendo's first party games run incredibly well on any piece of shit hardware they have to deal with...BotW felt like the only game in recent memory they released that was done a disservice by their hardware.

>>382680262
I think it was pretty clear that the Switch, even if it were a powerhouse, wasn't going to compete with the PSBone this late in the game.

I like what they've planned out for the Switch - generally a game or two a month you can't really find on anything but Nintendo hardware.

>>382680262
No, but being underpriced was.
The free market has spoken, and the Switch is easily worth $400.

>>382705361
>The free market has spoken, and the Switch is easily worth $400.
No it's really not. It's not even worth 400 CDN

>>382705361
I lol'd when Gamespot game out with that huge bundle that actually ended up being $5 more than buying everything individually.

But, it sold out. Can't really argue with taht

if they had to put more ressources into DUDE GRAPHIX, they would release games in an even slower pace than now
mario odyssey would be delayed to 2019

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>>382705167
>For a console, having a cool gimmick is better than pretending you're even a quarter as powerful as a modern gaming PC. Doesn't really matter anyway as (most) of Nintendo's first party games run incredibly well on any piece of shit hardware they have to deal with...BotW felt like the only game in recent memory they released that was done a disservice by their hardware.

They ported botw in 1 month before switch launch. They mentioned this at gdc. They could of probably gotten it running better with more time. I doubt they will fix performance. When the switch has its own exclusive Zelda I expect it to be locked to 30 since the Zelda director likes that for cinematic effects.

I hope they try 60fps again like they did with a link between world's. If they can gets 60fps on 3ds with 3d. They can definitely do it on the switch.

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>>382705560
Looks like people are paying $500 to $570 for them in Canada.

>>382707813
>Looks like
Not really. Those prices could be raised and people bought them at lower prices.

i would really like to know, what is the thought process of people who think that more power equals more quality games

>>382708060
They're the same people who are wowed by set pieces.

>>382685447

>loud

Does it even sounds? Seems like yours is damaged

>>382705580
Anyone got a link

>>382706675
>They ported botw in 1 month before switch launch.
You actually believe that complete nonsense? They were working on the switch version far longer than a month. Pretty much around the same time they scrapped second screen functionality on wiiu.

>>382708778
Yeah that's absolute crap, especially given the game was playable in January

However, the BotW situation and the patching does seem to confirm that they get the handheld version up to par then work on the docked version

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>>382707969
Sounds like a stretch. If you look at auctions, people are bidding just as much.

1) a wet noodle could demolish xbox.
2) nintendo games don't need advanced hardware since theyre fairly simplistic in design

Honestly, I'm so impressed with owning a switch. It's like I'm actually owning a worthwhile console that is completely new rather than have it be similar to the pc like the ps4 and xbox. Being able to play on the go or on your tv so easily while having detachable controllers giving you multiple ways to play the game and having neat features like HD rumble is just great.

>>382680262
>underpowered
it the most powerful mobile system on the market.