>boot up Neverwinter Nights 1 out of nostalgia >only ever

If you want evil options in a game, nwn isn't the game for you. Give KotOR a try if you want to play an old dnd 3.5 based game with hilarious evil options (sadly with lightsabers).

Even then only hordes of the Underdark is a decent xpac, the first two are garbage, and every one of those lacks reasonable evil options. As for the stance changes, I'm sure there's a fix online that lets you toggle it.

>>382647450
>willingly replaying the OC
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>382647604
>Dnd 3.5

KOTOR was based on the actual Star Wars table top rpg

>>382647450
No the expansions aren't much better in that regard from what I can remember.

Nwn 2 has better evil options, especially for the expansion Mask of the betrayer. Otherwise yes kotor 1 & 2 have great evil options. Abusing your companions into being evil is fun as fuck.

>>382647681
What? Really? The rules are basically simplified 3.5 rules so I assumed Bioware dumbed it down and called it a day. Guess I learned something new, thanks anon.

>>382647731
The Star Wars d20 system was based out of 3rd edition D&D and then Bioware dumbed it down to the KOTOR system. /tg/'s Star Wars thread has the books in one of the OP links if you're ever curious.

>>382647450
No much, you still save the world "for a price, but you can do more evil things in Hordes of the Underdark, like double betray people, force the final boss to kill himself, learn the true name of your allies and ruin their lives, buy mind-fucked slaves, etc.

All this game does these days is remind me how much 3.5 sucks ass.

>>382647450
I'm pretty sure HotU lets you be an evil motherfucker.

>>382649603
Unsurprising, given the Underdark is an edgefest. See >>382649427

>>382647450
>he didn't play a big black barbarian half-orc with maxed physical stats and rampaged through Neverwinter

Dumb fun is fun.

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>>382647450
Just be happy that you didn't tried nwn2 oc
AT leat you could tell people to fuck off in the first nwn
>>382649427
There many quests in the OC where you can double betray fags too, like the one with nymph in the city

>>382649582
3.5 undeniably sucks ass, but somehow I still love it as a character building system compared to stuff like PoE

How bad did I fuck up by playing NWN OC with a pure monk? I think it was unnecessarily difficult at times.

>>382650296
>How bad did I fuck up by playing NWN OC
>playing NWN OC
Yeah you fucked up pretty bad.

NWN1 Class Tier List

>God Tier:
Druid

>Top Tier:
Wizard, Sorcerer, Cleric, Shifter

>High Tier:
Champion of Torm, Black Guard, Bard, Weapon Master

>Mid Tier:
Paladin, Harper Scout, Fighter, Red Dragon Disciple, Dwarven Defender

>Low Tier:
Monk, Ranger, Rogue, Pale Master, Arcane Archer, Shadow Dancer

>Trash Tier
Barbarian, Assassin, Purple Dragon Knight

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>>382649582
>>382650051
>not liking frenzied berserkers

>>382649896
That's because the first isn't a party-based game, which is far worse.

>>382650523
I always took a level in Pale master for that sweet sweet skeleton arm.

>>382650523
>>God Tier:
>Druid

Being a shitty cleric in leathers =/= God Tier

>m-muh animal form versatility!

No.

is there a UI scaling or widescreen patch for nwn? I got it when gog gave it out for free but can't play it because all the text boxes are tiny as fuck.

>>382647450
You do realize the actual game lies in the multiplayer mode and the modules you can play / create, right ?

R I G H T ?

>>382650818
>People still use my old screenshot but with different name
ANyway, the only actually party based game in the series was storm of zehir, and it had everything you would exoect from the party based game

>>382651026
gotta love that vibrant and living multiplayer scene of NWN1 in the year of our lord 2017
goddamn anon is stupid and you're so much smarter WHOAH

>>382647450
The NWN1 OC is absolute garbage.

Shadows of Undertide is ok, it's a bit more interesting and well-structured than the OC but still not great. Hordes of the Underdark is pretty good, it's mostly a dungeon crawl but it's the best designed of the three and it also has some good bits besides the dungeon crawling, especially towards the end.\

NWN2 is better than the first in every way except when it comes to custom games, multiplayer, PWs, and shit like that.

>>382647450
死ね

>>382649427
You can steal baby in soa and turn it into drider in hotu.

What is this meme about the OC being bad?

>>382651227
>NWN2 is better than the first in every way
>Worse story than OC
>Worse characters than OC
>Worse gameplay than OC

>>382647450
>lawful evil
>murdering random civilians

>>382651280
Obsidian kids are buttdevatated because nwn oc actually allows you to pick answers in the dialogues instead of just pressing [next] like in the nwn2 oc

>>382650951
I thought you need 7 or so levels for that, similar to rdd wings.

>>382651292
I can't stand nwn2 simply for its interface. I didn't play motb because of it till this day despite all the praise.

>>382651292
Did you even play the NWN1 OC?

It was fucking horrendous. I'm not saying the NWN2 OC was great, but it was definitely better than the "clear these four areas, then return to the hub to end the chapter, then do that three times, the end" original one, where henchmen didn't matter even slightly to the story and barely had a personality beyond a few meaningless lines about their past. And even NWN2's generic "you're secretly the chosen one who has the McGuffin everyone wants" setup was less retarded than NWN1's "you are the only survivor of the hero academy and nobody else can save us from the ancient evil" bullshit.

NWN2 was generic and at times poorly paced, but NWN1 was just plain shit in every way.

>>382651227
>NWN2 is better than the first in every way

>>382651280
Levels are too big, pacing is really fucked. They improved their approach in addons.
I liked it back then though.

>>382651654
It literally is.

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>>382650971
Learn how to play NWN

>>382651654
>>382651292
It is. That's not to say the NWN2 OC is some spectacular revolution of rpgs, but holy fuck, ANYTHING is better than the NWN1 OC.

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>>382647450
It has to be the worst rpg I ever played. It's worse than fucking Inquisiton. Story, world, characters and dialogues are fucking terrible, game is ugly and have shit combat, and no matter whenever I am dorf, elf or half-orc no gives a shit. I can't even command my companion. How people are even able to play this?

>>382651280
Awful story, NPCs don't matter and henchmen are useless, main villain is ridiculous, barely any actual roleplaying opportunities, the whole "hub area + 4 question/grinding zones" setup is the most tedious and unfun thing ever designed.

>>382647450
Nathyrra best girl
>made sweet sweet love with her at the end.

>>382651654
This NWN2 is a much better game

>>382651798
>tfw used to roleplay as a dragon on a erp server back in the day

was fun.

>>382651828
People made some pretty cool shit with the toolset. That's it. What other game lets you create your own puzzle games, psychedelic nightmares, traditional roleplaying modules, persistent online worlds, etc.?

The NWN campaign was nothing more than a showcase for the toolset. It was an afterthought and not worth a damn if you had no interest in the toolset.

>>382651227

you have shit taste.

next

D E E K I N

>>382651642
>but it was definitely better than the "clear these four areas, then return to the hub to end the chapter, then do that three times, the end"
Yep, in nwn 2 after you reached city it was
>clear area, return to the hub, press [next] 5-6 times, if game feels genereous you can even pick answers few time, go clear next area, repeat
Yes, after you get keep you actually can choose your answers(still on the first nwn oc level), butgenerally game was terrible
I replayed all games in the series last year
NWN2 oc is definitely worst shit that happened with genre

>>382651280
>play NWN OC
>make a shit character
>game is frustrating as fuck and not fun
>make a good character
>game is a complete walkover and not fun
>make a mixed bag character
>game can be alright at times but gameplay is still about as interesting as playing isometric morrowind
Well not that we've established gameplay is shit, we got to rely on story and atmosphere. If those are great, the game can still be great despite the gameplay. After all, it's an RPG so maybe it'll work!
>music is shit
>setting/atmosphere is generic as fuck high fantasy
>no moral ambiguity in the story
>villains are irredeemable mcevilbads
>you're the last survivor hero noob who grows and saves the world
goty 10/10

>>382650975
If there's something, it's almost definitely on the Neverwinter Vault, or the GOG forums.
Can't you just play at a lower resolution? I have it installed on my shitty laptop and it's fine.

>>382651034
Good point. I really meant 'game balanced around party control' rather than a party-/based/ game, but I couldn't think of a way to phrase it that wasn't unwieldy and then I just couldn't be bothered fixing it.
Of course, anon! Those threads were fantastic, everything you could ever want in a nwn thread.

Just make a lawful evil monk and wear the robe of the dark moon. Run around at the speed of sound punching people out in one round of combat

Never finished the main OC since it was so fucking boring. A dance with rogues was great though.

>>382652020
>upset that maybe 15% of NWN2 was running back and forth between the hub and outlying areas
>but it's ok in NWN1 where it's 95% of the game

Time to take off the rose-tinted nostalgia glasses, Timmy.

>>382652120
No, monk is weak as shit

>>382651162
MP is actually still alive
Hope you like erp

Can I still make the fallen Paladin chick my evil waifu if I play a female character, or had Bioware not yet invented homosexuality?

>>382652120
If you want to play something braindead, why not just play a Fighter so you can actually do damage instead of gently massaging the enemies with your fists?

>>382652141
A lot of the mods are really damn excellent. ADWR turned out to be spectacular even though I initially only started playing it because of porn.

>>382652304
This was pre-homosex Bioware.

>>382647681
>>382647731

D&D 3 is based on a D20 game system published by wizard of the coast as a free open license so many other table top rpg used it as a result

>>382651642
NWN1 was painfully boring, but NWN2 was outright painful. Camera was horrible, controls were horrible, interface was horrible, every single visual element of everything was ugly in some way, magic fireworks made it impossible to see what is going on, combat design assumed that because you're dragging three other imbeciles along filling every map with hordes of superpowered trash mobs would make things intense, trap and lock DCs forced you to have a worthless straight rogue with you at all times, your party roster was forcibly filled with aggravating bums you could not fire or kill, and the story was a tired cliche awkwardly subverted by the sub-sub-villain being too stupid to stop killing for ten seconds to explain himself.

>>382652365
Yeah, it had a ton of choices and stuff if I remember correctly.
I always wanted to do a non-slutty playthrough but the urge to whore myself out always got the best of me.

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>>382651846
>hardest skillcheck in the game is to get a threesome

>>382652419
You should stick with Diablo and not a real RPG.

>>382651798
>b-but druids are good if you multiclass them with three other classes at level 40!

No.

>>382652521
Pure princess is the best. Pity you can't be an innocent virgin

>>382651698
>>382651823
>>382651875
>Shit is better than mulched newspapers because it has a stronger flavour.

>>382652419
No to all of that.

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>>382651846
>>382652550
>Nathyrra best girl
I agree. Delicious drowfu done right, and a bunch of really cute interactions.
NathxGoodAribethxyou OT3 ending a best, though.

>>382652304
No cute yuri, sadly. It's from before Bioware realised the purest form of love.

>>382652594
Learn how to play NWN, casual

>>382652026
>setting/atmosphere is generic as fuck high fantasy
Considering d&d codified the concept of 'generic as fuck high fantasy', OC was right on the money with that one.

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>>382652630
>Pure princess is the best.

>>382652550
is there actually good porn mods for it? when I saw it required a femc at one of the mods I instantly lost interest

>>382652594
All of the best characters are multiclass anon. It is called exploiting a system.

>>382652550
Is this possible with an evil character too, or will only 'good' Aribeth and Nath go for it?

>>382652728
>no comeback other than l2p casul

Keking @ur life, m8

>>382652594
This is bait

>>382652589
I think I can see why you'd like it.

>>382652850
Jesus Christ dude are you that much into triangle tits?

>>382652850
adwr is literally the best porn mod ever.
>>382652893
All you need is 38 points in persuade.

>>382652865
But then you're not proving a CLASS is god-tier, which was the original assertion.

>>382652908
>Outing yourself as a casual who has no idea how to play the game
>This level of damage control after getting BTFO

l2p

>>382652687
>you need air to live
>no I don't

>>382652982
Oh okay I didn't read that. (it is cleric)

>>382647450
Of course it's "I'll save you... for a price" No matter what you have to get from Point A to Point B in a story.

>>382652940
As long the writing is good, I can imagine my own images.

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>>382653031
>still no comeback
>buzzwords and more buzzwords

>>382653050
Druid shit all over cleric, better spells, better gear, infinite casting, l2p NWN

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NWN and DDO gave me an unholy love for any game with strong class-combining tools

I also wish that other games captured that feeling of the first floor of Hordes of the Underdark; just this incredibly dense puzzle and loot pinata where every room had some crazy shit guarding a cool magical item

>>382651798

I want the druid meme to go. Monk is better and anyone who says otherwise is a pleb who can't build a good one.

>>382653210
>he banged his head on the toilet once and made his shitty OC donut steel some loot on the editor
>ANIMALFUCKER CLASS IS OP

>>382650523
>Monk and Paladin are in the bottom half of the tier list
>when they are some of the best "dip" classes in the whole game, and form an entire chassis of great but basic multiclass builds like Monk/Cleric, Monk/Druid and Paladin/Sorcerer

This tier list implies all classes exist in a vacuum and as such is not particularly representative. Wizard is fantastic and one of the candidates for a straight-up single-classed level 40 build, but you hardly want to multiclass away from it, or use it as a dip.

If we're taking things out of context, Barbarian is a superior class to Fighter, it's just that Fighter is a better chassis for broken multi-class combinations.

But yeah, the first thing you have to do when looking into your build is whether it can't be improved by a simple dip into Monk, Paladin, Fighter or even Rogue. That should elevate them a fair bit, even if standalone they're kinda trash.

>>382653276
>monk
kek

>>382652893
Like >>382652961 said, either Aribeth will go for it - Dark Aribeth is more openly seductive about it. Remember to fix your game so her flags trigger properly!

>>382653215

DDD should've been set in Faerun instead it's set in a literal who. Missed opportunity

>>382653173
>Still trying this hard to damage control after exposing himself as a casual

>>382653327
Zero gear pure druid is stonger than any other class in the game, the fact you dont know about druid getting infinite spells per day shows how little you now about the game, go back to your mario threads.

>>382653412
Eberron is a way better setting than Faerun

Besides, they go to Faerun in the expansion packs and it has all the shitty generic adjective-noun Knights and shitty book characters you could handle

>>382653276
Monk is garbage

>>382652850
>he doesn't want to be the hot girl
Also, most porn modules are shit. Adwr did it right with fade to black. One of the many things Gladiatrix did wrong was lentghy, awkward sex animations

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>Not playing ToEE instead

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>>382653443
>I-if I call him a casual enough times, maybe everyone will believe me
Just let it go, dude.

>>382653412
You can go to Cormyr now.
It's set during the transition from 3.5-4th and Ed Greenwood gets to jerk his OC all over you.

>>382653658
Only RPGCodex likes this shitty game because it's an autistic D&D 3.5 simulator and not actually fun to play.

>>382652659
It's more like undercooked mashed potatoes.

>>382653679
l2p NWN, casual

>>382653617

confirmed for never playing monk post epic

>>382653750
> it's an autistic D&D 3.5 simulator
But thats why its fun

>>382653787
Confirmed for shitter casual who thinks monk is good

>>382653396
>Remember to fix your game so her flags trigger properly!

Does the GOG version fully updated need flag fixing?

>>382653841
>b-b-but muh pvp powerlevels in a game with dead multiplayer

>monk vs druid autism in NWN thread, AGAIN
reminds me of VOID IS THE HARDEST CARRY, NO MEDUSA IS from old /d2g/

The pathfinding in this game is so fucking terrible holy shit. Worst of all is when you start teleporting all over the place because somehow it can't keep up with what's going on.

>>382647450
There is some great modules out there. NWNs strong part was the toolset which outshinned most shit Bioware ever has created. Probably why we never see nice and interesting toolkits in this day and age when companies rely on selling shitty DLC and season passes.

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>200+ damage per tick
>Persistent AoE
>Halfs move speed
>Damage and slow stacks on itself
>Ignores SR

Name a better spell than creeping doom, protip: you can't

>>382647681
Star Wars ran on D20, which is an open version of D&D 3.5.

>>382652282
The community is one enduring fucking community considering how BiowareA just dumped them over board. You have to find servers on NWNlist pages these days and then Neverwinter the MMO drops by, not a bad MMO...but a horrible Neverwinter Nights.

>>382653946
Ir's literally one druid autist, someone needs to lock that madman up

>>382653917
>pvp in a game with a shitty engine derived from a bloated mess of a rules system meant for cooperative efforts between people, against a challenge concocted by a DM with fun for the evening in mind

Why.

>>382647450
>made picrel to beat the OC for the first time, a Dex-based Rogue
>ended up being in a game where most of the shit around is immune to backstab and that no matter how high my AC got, I would still get hit
>bizarre situations where I would one-shot high level mages who were casting shitty Reflex-based spells that I would instantly save against, or Will-based spells that an OC helm makes you immune to
>nuke everything, including the final boss and the non-weakened form of Klauth by just setting a shitload of traps
>die to orc mooks all the time

It was a wild ride, but next time I'm not going for a Dex-based build, although going straight Rogue was not very optimal either.

>>382653946
>monk vs druid
That would require monk be able to put up fight to begin with

>>382652026
>music is shit
kys, NWN's music was great

>>382654154
They're all in Sinfar and Arelith. The rest are autistic die-hards sperging out whenever people don't treat their precious half-abandoned servers like the second coming of Christ.

>>382653917
Monk is
>good damage
>good armor
>good attack bonus
Pick two

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>>382654245
forgot picrel

>>382653946
Its literally the same casual monk retard every thread

>>382654331
Yeah, she does look like the kinda girl that goes down on orcs.

Are there new smut modules? Asking for a friend.

>>382652141
A Dance With Rogues and Bastard of Kosigan were good shit.

>>382654323
It's neither or those desu

Good saves though

>>382654323
>good damage
False

>good armor
False

>good attack bonus
False

monk is garbage

>>382649582
>3.5
>bad
>not THE definitive version of D&D

Underage detected

>>382654323
It could be 'pick none' and it would still be fun for the campaigns + modules.

>>382654338
No it isn't.
Sometimes I'm here, and sometimes I'm not.

>>382652550
>The protagonist of the first module gets his name written out from history because the protagonist storms off after King Dickhead allows Aribeth to get lynched
>Meanwhile the protagonist of the second and third module gets to fuck the first protagonists waifu, and become famous via a best selling novel series and the whole "repeated world saving" shit

Don't cry for the Hero of Neverwinter, for he is already dead.

I know this is a NWN thread, but going to play KotOR for the first time, should I use any mods?

>>382654338
>casual
>retard

Yeah, how the fuck can someone live with not being a harcore NWN man? Fucking casuals should all neck themselves, fucking retarded incest rape babies.

>>382654542
In the age where everyone's moved on to OSR systems you're calling people laughing at 3.5 of all things "underage"? 3/3.5 era was the most pointless episode in the history of the hobby.

>>382654628
Yeah, its called Kotor 2

>>382654542
3e only superficially resembled any of the previous editions - in crunch or spirit - and it laid the foundations for the Dark Tower of Cancer that is modern D&D fandom. If there's one edition of D&D that should be struck from history books it's 3e.

>play ADWR
>cuck the ranger goodie good shoes hard and fuck withe evil chaos lord instead

can't be more evil than this

>>382654628
>I know this is a NWN thread, but going to play KotOR for the first time, should I use any mods?
Invisible Headgear is the only one you need (unless you need a widescreen/resolution fix or something)
Have fun, anon!

>>382654669
>recommends playing II first when some of it is a reflection of/response to the first game

>>382654664
Fuck off casual

>>382654321
POTM is big too, Amia is dying but still big enough.

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Some of the original portraits were modified versions of celeb photographs, and the devs had to change them in a patch after receiving complaints.
Shit was hilarious.

>>382654435
Not really, no. I think the only new module I can think of is Dance with Spies, which is a fan addition to Dance with Rogues where you play as a guy instead. And the only really interesting part about that is the part where it puts you in the shoes of the army that invades the Princesses castle.

Although it does have an orgy temple, and that's never bad.

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>>382653902
Yes, but you can check in console yourself just in case.
>bug where in chapter 3 the iAribethRomance variable is set to 2 instead of 1 after the conversation in the mimic's cave
>If you already passed that point[mimic cave] but have not yet reached the knower of names you can enter the following commands in the chatbox to set the variable to the right value "## DebugMode 1", "## dm_setmodulevarint iAribethRomance 1", "## DebugMode 0" (withouth the quotes).

>>382647450
NWN is only worth playing for A Dance with Rogus

>>382654628
No, kotor 2 will need the restoration mod though

>>382654627
If I became famous for saving Neverwinter I'd appreciate it if everyone forgot about me that quickly.

>>382654323

Monk doesn't do any of those.

Monk got gutted in 3.5 and NWN gutted Monk even further by not including half of the classes features.

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>>382653902
>Does the GOG version fully updated need flag fixing?
I believe so, but I'm really not sure - I don't know if GOG included it in one of their fixes, but I don't think so.

You can check yourself, though, and installing the fix anyway won't hurt. It's Hickory's post, three replies down
>https://www.gog.com/forum/neverwinter_nights_series/hotu_aribeth_romance_bug

>>382654516
>>382655026
>>382654557
I should have said enough instead of good.
That stat split cannot be helped even with weapon finesse.

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>first time playing through HotU
>roll with a Monk
>running around so fast that the game has to make my companions teleport to me to keep up
>punching nigs to death with my fists of fury
>get to epic level Monk like halfway through the game
>my mastery over kungfu has given me glowing eyes and turned me into a planar being
>i've literally transcended my plane of existence and become a demigod
>holy shit that mephi tweest
>now i'm in ice hell punching demons
>meet the paladin elf and make her my waifu
>the whole sleeping man bit was pretty cool
>finally make it to see the reaper one last time
>he's meant to be cold and void of emotion but he says it was a pleasure to serve me and smiles
>appear from the depths of hell in a beam of light to take on mephi
>he tries to fuck with deekins head and turn him against me
>afraid of losing my persuade checks so I just go with the "whatever bro but ill miss you" option
>it works
>tell mephi that I know his true name, but i want him to stand there and take a beating instead
>epilogue states that we're locked in an eternal battle in ice hell

what a ride

>>382654974
Oh fug, they fixed it? Based GOG

>>382654868
WotC should never have got the IP. They keep backing off on any core changes to the game and making some garbled mess covered in their past failures.

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>>382654941

>>382655283
They don't.
I'm ESL, but I thought you asked if it still needs the fix or not.

>>382655404
the new ones are way better anyway

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>>382655179
Monk is the best. I think I ended up taking hell for myself in my ending, but it wasn't until later that it hit me what a shitty ending that is. That level of hell sucks ass.

>>382655404
>CZ-J copy is actually worse than the fix

Kek.

>>382655293
>WotC
Fuck, don't remind me. >no same-sex romance in our forgotten realms because reasons
Fucking faggots.

>>382655426
Oh, sorry anon. I didn't know if they had or not because I restore from a backup these days, instead of using the download version. I linked anon the fix anyway, luckily.

i remember shadows of undrentide being really bias towards Paladins. like there's a special quest that only they can do that involves killing a Blackguard and getting a holy avenger sword, and an entire armor set that's found in a temple just for Paladins.

>>382655741
To be fair, Paladins are the only class with such a well-defined best weapon as a Holy Avenger.
And also, it's the best class anyway.

>>382655832
>tfw the paladin series was never finished

>>382655832
>best class

Heh, in flavor and storytelling potential perhaps.

>>382655919
Paladin series?

>>382655832
That's just plain wrong, there are tons of weapons themed for specific classes. From rapiers which can sing to blood thirsty daggers/shortswords

>>382656038
Twilight, Midnight, and Dawn that never was
Lots of new abilities for paladins equipment that synergises with them, and a drow waifu

>>382656184
>drow waifu
>called Pirotase

Not sure if patrician taste or plagiarizing shitter.

>>382651939
>back in the day
Head over to F-list and relive the glory days. My shemale griffon's super popular.

>>382655919
>>382656184
>tfw I still haven't finished that module because I got distracted and ended up going back and finishing Tales of Arterra again ;_;
If you were the one who recommended it to me, thanks, anon. I'm starting again to actually finish it this time. Gonna marry that drow qt

>>382655973
>Heh, in flavor and storytelling potential perhaps.
That's exactly why I didn't write 'most powerful class', but it's not just that - it's just a great, straightforward class with enough features to be interesting to play without being overburdened with them. Good hp, proficiencies and BAB mean you're good in any type of melee combat you need, while it has more features than a straight Fighter with a variety of self-buffs (spells and Divine Might/Shield); without having to worry about the prebuffing/spellcasting madness of a Cleric or Druid. It's a class where you stick a bunch of buttons on your hotbar to click when you run into challenging fights, and have fun cutting through everything.

>>382656083
True, but I don't think any other class has one specific weapon which is (in general) so far in front of the other options like the Holy Avenger is for paladins.

>>382656636
I don't get that reference.

>>382655919
Such a shame. Now with all these dark fantasy settings that have become super common in all forms of literature, I miss good old fashioned Paladins.

>>382656998
I had trouble getting into Tales of Arterra just because I remember it going from 0 to 100 super fast. One moment I was patrolling a house or some shit, the next minute vampiric assassins and lords asking to hire me.

>>382657136
http://recordoflodosswar.wikia.com/wiki/Pirotess

>>382657146
Sometimes you really miss being the good guy in armor slaying evil creatures with your sword

>>382652141
ADWR is very good but I always just jerk off a few times and then stop playing. That's my problem with any porn game.

>>382657146
Be the Paladin in the dark fantasy setting. You'll suffer, you'll feel the hatred of an entire world, but be a true Sword of the Heavens and everyone will remember it fondly.

>>382657343
I mean that's what it was designed for. If you think too hard about it you realise how retarded the Dhorn are and how uninteresting the setting is. It's great jerk off material but that's about it.

>>382657520
That's exactly the kind of shit I love. Too many people in those settings want the Paladin to fall, but it's so much better when the Paladin manages to tough it out despite all the shit and stay the good guy.

>>382657146
This>>382657520
Being a paladin feels a lot more rewarding when you're in a darker setting. A single light shines brightest in the dark and all that.

Having said that, I myself have prefered playing Conan style barbarians to paladins for a long time now, but I still admire that kind of character.

>>382657520
Paladins are trivial to push into a morality corner by any plot that had any cynism. A setting that allows Paladins to function has to be idealized.

>>382657779
That's the thing though, that's not true. The best setting for a paladin would be one with intense cynisim, and have him be the counter point to all of the characters who have been molded by despair.

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>>382657343
Just play a pure princess. Restrict yourself to romancing Pia or the companion you meet in Part II and see if you can get through everything past the prologue without having sex with/being molested by anyone other than her.

>>382657531
Makes a pretty good bardfu romance simulator desu
It's also a really good low-level module and rogue module in general. The sheer satisfaction in the progression from being such a weak character in the beginning to one who's entirely capable of slaughtering an entire army is unrivalled among the mods I've played.

>>382657779
The problem is when there are people that assume if you put the paladin in a "orc baby, what do" situation the paladin will fall no matter what. A well done scenario would have the paladin NOT fall, regardless of which of the two obvious choices he makes, because a paladin doesn't fall because he had to make a single ambiguous decision once, he falls when he gives up on trying to reach the best solution at all times.

A cynical plot would still be able to admit a paladin, it's just that the paladin would have to compromise at times because otherwise shit will be much worse for everyone. That doesn't mean he stops being a good paladin.

>>382657779
That's something I hate about DMs and the way things are set up, A paladin doubting himself should be a moment of character development as he tries to find faith in his god again, not an instant fallen token which always for some reason leads to the player Paladin getting turned into a cackling villain. That's why Paladins in a dark setting make for good writing material but shoddy tabletop matches.

>>382658003
>pure princess
You entirely missed the point of the module, didn't you?

>>382656184
I just created character and that loredump in the beginning kinda turned me off and I replayed hotu instead.
Does it get better?

>>382654952
I played it already, but it seems he didn't add much in past two years. He's polishing wrong stuff instead of working on what really needs it or even adding something brand new.

>>382658026
>compromise

If by "compromise" you mean being a self-sacrificing motherfucker.

hey you pathetic little nerds, should I play Neverwinter Nights if I really enjoyed Baldur's Gate 1?

>>382658979
Sometimes you can't solve every problem by just jumping on a sword yourself.

>>382659115
>I really enjoyed Baldur's Gate 1
>implying he's not a pathetic little nerd

>>382659196
shut up nerd
>>382659115
yes

>>382659117
Sounds like you haven't been looking for the third option hard enough, anon.

>>382659115
The NWN series will feel painfully restrictive and linear compared to Baldur's Gate. And a lot less batshit insane item interactions.

But it can scratch that itch. Just skip both NWN 1 and NWN 2 OC as those were mostly glorified tech demos.


The order should be:
NWN: Shadow of Underentide
NWN: Hordes of the Underdark

NWN 2: Mask of the Betrayer

>>382658778
Did it even have an ending? I think it was around the time you get back from your adventure as the worlds most obvious fake soldier that I got bored of it and stopped playing. Or maybe it was a bit further through that if that's when the village-bandit-rape shit plays out.

>>382657254
I remember thinking it was weirdly paced the first time I played it, but after the second mission or so with the vampires I was hooked. After that starts it quickly builds to amazing and the second module is even better; it's actually my favourite module series ever.
I'd definitely recommend trying it again and just ignoring the inconsistency in the pacing until you get into the main quest. Also two perfect waifus in one game, how did the madman do it? There's degenerate handholding if you're into that.

>>382657320
Damn, I've been intending to watch that for ages. Thanks!

>>382659323
Anon, if you ever play a mod where you're repeatedly thrown into a do or don't situation, and every single time you're presented with a third option that solves everyone's problems, you're playing a shittily written mod. Do those situations exist? For sure. Should you try to reach them whenever you can? Of course if you want to play a good guy. Is it going to happen every single damn time? No way. That's just unrealistic and it's what makes dark fantasy go from dark to just dumb wish fulfillment where it turns out nobody ever needed to die but they were all just waiting for you to come along and be the only hero in existence by stopping the senseless slaughter anyone else could have stopped.

>>382659512
No, there's no ending (yet?), you'll just find princess in Delberg and make a treaty with her.

>>382657949
It could work for storytelling, but from a gameplay perspective, the player needs a quest, a goal, and conflict. How these are developed is what shapes the setting as classical or edgy.

Paladins are the embodiment of idealized storytelling not because of who they are, but who they fight against. Think of a more cynical, "realistic" setting, say colonial Caribbean. You have debauched pirates who steal and plunder, colonial nations who seek to uphold the peace to profit from slave trafficking and labor, and innocent natives who just want to be left alone to carry out human sacrifices to their bloodthirsty gods. The Paladin doesn't really have a context there, who would he fight for, or against?

But in a kingdom that is being invaded by hordes of demons, the Paladin is at home. The world can be as bleak as it can be, in fact the bleakest the better, so the Paladin can stand against it all.

It ties in a lot with Kotor 2, Jedi are pretty much Paladins, and idealized morality is natural physics in the SW universe. Someone like Kreia stands out as a sore thumb, because she brings a morality view that doesn't fit in the setting. Not even into the gameplay, you miss a lot of bonus by playing a gray Jedi.

She's an interesting character because the opposite is more usual, putting a character with a classical morality in a morally ambiguous setting, then curbstomping their morality. Paladins are an even tastier target since it's tied into their powers and gameplay too.

Try taking a gander at the Jade Empire evil options. In fact take a look at the good options. It's all childish tripe.

>>382659668
I agree with this. The best setting is one where use of the third option isn't too rare that the situation becomes hopelessly depressing and without any chance of real happiness in the world, ala most fucking edge mangas, but not so many uses of the third option or so little lack of battle scars on your Paladin-sama that it all seems like there is never any danger or any despair in what is supposed to be a dark setting.

>>382659886
You have a point. I guess I mostly just miss that nice rush of a holy avenger in a setting of darkness. Nowdays it's so fucking common to have a setting in which hope is crushed to show some example about how unfair the world is. Every protagonist is an anti hero at best and a single step from being a villain at worst. So many "lessons" about how the world isn't a fantasy tale make up the morality, which is always bleak and murky unless the antagonist is pure black. It's just depressing.

>>382659889
Which is a huge waste because the way it's explained sounds like a really good example of a morality system. How Open Palm and Closed Fist are not good and evil, but merely ways to build yourself. But alas, Closed Fist is consistently evil and Open Palm is consistently good.

>>382659668
>playing premade adventures

>>382660218
Open palm is pretty much sold from the get go as a goody two shoes sort of person. It's even referenced as "the high path" and closed fist the "low path" though closed fist was suppose to be more about letting people find the strength within themselves, even helping others if the odds are just stacked against them. You're right it's such an interesting concept. They should have had two bars really. Open palm and closed fist and then dick and not dick. Shit like breaking the fucking dam at Tiens landing for personal profit doesn't exactly strike me as closed fist.

>>382650523
Level 1 Shadow Dancer is broken, you can create a ranged build about spam hiding in plain sight + ranged sneak attacks

>>382660493
And it's clear they put some effort into trying to justify your actions, despite the actions themselves being good or evil, like being able to say you are only kind to your allies to strengthen them and thus benefit from their loyalty. Or by saying you're breaking the dam, not for money, but to strengthen the survivors of the cruel act you're about to do. It's just window dressing on an otherwise simplistic good and evil system, but I can give them credit for trying.

If for whatever reason a new Jade Empire is made, and god I would love it if it did, I hope they put some more effort into it.

I finished making my edgelord LE character for HotU

Fighter 6
Weapon Master 7
Blackguard 2 (for that sweet +cha to saves and just the flav)

Wielding a Scythe with 5x crit damage on 17-20.

I don't care if it's not ideal, but is at least viable, i.e. the hardest bosses aren't all immune to crits?

>>382660680
I was actually thinking about that recently. I'd love Jade Empire 2 but it would definitely need some work. I've been replaying and I've had the same five gems in my amulet for half the game. Plus the fact that you have to put points into the styles you have to fight properly but then you might find a different style you prefer and you might get cucked out of using it. Also the fucking shrine thing with no potions or anything.

>>382659886
>who would he fight for, or against?
For: the crews of ships conducting spice trade trade, the converted tribesmen who'd be butchered by their pagan kin or enslaved by non-discriminating slavers, the colonists seeking to escape the misery of their homelands

Against: the pagan priesthood kept in power through sacrificing natives to their gods, the pirates, the slavers, the wicked priests taking advantage of the natives and colonists

>>382660118
I think we're going to see a big wave of idealized works in the mainstream after Game of Thrones dies down. Many settings try to pass off as being more realistic and of higher quality because they aim for human motivations and conflicts. See the boatload of works describing themselves as "GoT politics/intrigue".

>>382647659
this, even twelve year old me new it was a fucking slog.

>>382661090
>Many settings try to pass off as being more realistic and of higher quality because they aim for human motivations and conflicts
Which also confuses me. History, real history, has shown that the most ruthless and ambitious of lords usually got killed because nobody wanted to support them through their tyranny. I'm not saying people aren't assholes or anything, but it seems like anyone who wants to make a realistic or darker setting instantly dial up the "everyone is corrupt and evil" thing to 11. It's fucking retarded.

>>382660905
yes this is babby's first multiclass, congrats
you're even using the same weapon as everyone else

>Play KOTOR 2 as a good guy
>Decide that, on that planet where the dictator and queen and vying for control, support the dictator because he seems to care more about his planet, while the queen would let it be basically absorbed into the republic
>Not really much of a difference between a monarchy and a dictatorship anyway
>Locks you into killing all the Jedi, people on that planet refer to you as a Sith and it's considered objectively evil
Amazing game.

>>382661829
>The game states that most people can't figure out the difference between a Jedi and a Sith until it's too late
>You side against a well known Jedi, who won't betray the Queen because it's his duty, and thus naturally people think you are a sith
>The Dictator, who despite caring for his country, is still a FUCKING DICTATOR whose men had free reign to murder and torture as they felt fit

This meme is fucking stale at this point.

>>382662020
Na. You get back to the other Jedi and they don't even give you an opportunity to explain yourself. You're punished for not lining up politically with the writing staff.

>>382662615
>and they don't even give you an opportunity to explain yourself
They know how dangerous you are, and they knows one of their fellow Masters is dead because of you; they're not going to give you an opportunity to explain yourself.

Also, Kreia specifically says that she wants all the Masters alive to show you as proof of her teachings.

How much I need to mod the game in order to make it playable on modern 16:9 systems? Does it need some kind of overhaul mod and hd graphics mods?

I have NWN2 and I installed tons of mods for it but I'm not sure if that was wise thing to do anyway. But what about NWN1?

>>382662615
>Yo masters, I know you see me as a threat and all and are basically looking for any excuse to screw me over... but I have a VERY good reason for killing one of your oldest companions and a Master of a very rare and endangered order

>>382662945
NWN has no issue with any of that. I bought it from GOG and everything just works as if it were released this year.

>>382662615
You do get the chance to explain yourself and it fails because they don't want to hear it. Because you just killed their fucking friend, you dumbass.
>B-But I wanted to side with the man who cared for his planet
And in doing so you sided against and killed one of your old mentors. And the fucking republic the Jedi were sworn to protect. Yeah, state your fucking case, you'll totally win.

>>382661024
You can make any setting idealized or cynical depending on the plot. There's also the question about character agency and power. Underlings are more dependent on the plot to keep their morality. Morally dubious actions can be kept above the character, though then you run into the "just following orders" aspect. It's a complicated question that's judicially solved somewhat arbitrarily in irl military courts. (it's only valid if you're not an officer).

Take a spice ship sailor with a Lawful Good morality. What if the captain wants to bombard the city, im reprisal for a massacre of your countrymen (Like Cabral in Calicut in 1500). What would such a character do, if refusal meant execution? If you give a way out for the character, such as talking the captain out of it, then it is already a more idealized setting.

Thinking of the tribes, what if the character is the village chief instead? He might want to convert to Christianity and stop human sacrifices, but that would mean going against tradition and his people. He can make either choice, or remain apathetic.

An example of apathetic leader is Nicholas II of Russia. He wasn't an autocratic ruler intereated in keeping his power. Instead, he saw himself as weak and without the right to reform the empire he inherited. In the end, he was killed and is barely remembered as either a hero or a villain, just someone who stoof by and let history walk over him.

You can't do that in a game though, the players need to do something. See Fallout 3's Tenpenny Tower. It can be argued that the best scenario is not doing anything, but then you miss the entire quest.

In recap, you can make any setting idealized, but either you keep the character away from the decisions, or you write a convenient plot.

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>>382662615
>killing Kavar, the best Master
If you're going to kill someone it might as well be Zez-Kai Top Lel, a man who sat on a planet for five fucking years and did literally nothing

>>382661829
Kavar fucked that queen hard, what did you expect his reaction after killing her would be?

>>382662839
>one of their fellow Masters is dead because of you
What?

I've played through HotU about 15 times. I never bothered much with the player modules, are there any modules that can rival or beat HotU? Is Swordflight good?

>>382663889
What do you mean, what? You kill Kavar.

>>382663890
AIelund part 3 is GOAT.

>>382663973
But I didn't, I met three of them here.

>>382664102
If you kept all the Masters alive, you get the scene where the three of them decide to cut you off from the Force again because they are afraid

People say that when NWN1 was released it was boring as hell but only the expansions released later made it great. So if that's the case... is there any reason to play the vanilla or should I start directly with some expansion?

>>382664441
It's the campaigns, the OC campaign is super boring in all aspects, SoU is pretty good, HotU is great. You shouldn't play the OC campaign, there are plenty of better modules.

>>382651798
> Lawful Neutral Dragon

>>382665356

Yeah, he should be turning into an emerald dragon instead of a blue.

How do i level my Paladin in HotU? I recall just using the auto allocate stats feature and it dumped all my points into CHA and I felt super weak. Should I start off with balanced points in STR/CON/CHA? What about Wisdom? Should I multiclass to champ of torm of just get to epic pally asap?

>>382664348
I know, but my grandmommy showed them.

>>382667856
Max CHA and prebuff yourself with divine shield/might(which is depends on CHA). Never auto lvl, you'll probably get useless feats.
Get Torm levels after lvl 20.

So what dnd based game has the best choices for all character types?

>>382668360
So i shouldn't touch any other stat besides CHA?

>>382668812
Maybe a bit CON if you feel really fragile.

>>382668812
You also need to have 14 WIS to have access to all Paladin spells later and you can't ignore STR and CON because you're a melee character. DEX usefulness cap is 12 but that can be achieved via buffs. INT is irrelevant.

>>382667856
>>382668360
>>382668812
16 wisdom lets you get 4th level spells like holy sword and death ward which is an absolute must since some mobs in hotu will spam insta kill death magic. prioritize 16 strength after that followed by the rest in charisma

>>382669439
my bad, 15 wisdom for 4th level spells not 16

>>382647450
>I want to be evil.
>Waah why are my options all evil?

???

>>382669439
Paladins don't have more than 4 tiers of magic, so 14 wisdom is enough.
CHA is way more important than STR for paladin, if you'll try to balance these stats you'll end up as subpar fighter.