why is EVO so incompetent? Why not have melee on the final day.

Melee also gets more viewers than SFV, which is the premier game of Evo.

>>382574759
Because Nintendo likely paid for 4 to take it's spot to draw focus on the newest product.

Marketing 101

>>382574759
Its bad optics to play shit on fucking CRT at the end of the tournament.

MELEE FINALS ON A SATURDAY. FUCKING LAME

because people will watch Melee regardless of what day the finals are.

Because Meleefags always whine about having to go through Smash 4 whenever there's a major with both games and Sm4sh is first.

>>382574904
I doubt it because GG's also way more popular, has more players and consistently more viewers than BB, yet BB got the Sunday spot for some reason. I mean, I don't even know how BB is at Evo because that game's dead everywhere but in Japan.

>>382574759
Melee is losing steam

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>the game with more players gets the spotlight
I-IT'S NOT FAIR
If I had my way Sm4sh would be booted off-stage in favor of KoF and Rev 2 would be on instead of BB, but oh well

>>382575156
This.

You fags forget what happened last time Melee went on after Smash 4

>>382574893
it doesnt.

>>382574759
Neither Smash game should be at evo in the first place. Consider yourself lucky toddler.

Why does Melee need to be on the final day?

>>382574759
Injustice not on the final day? They got more then Sm4sh and BB?

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>>382574759
>Melee cucked by Blazblue
All is right in the world.

Its intentional so SFV doesn't get upstaged.

>>382575419
>almost 50% drop across the board for the top 3 games
Jesus Christ, what happened? I thought fighting games were supposed to be big again?

Is there a more insufferable "fighting game" fanbase than Meleefags?

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>>382574759
>Smash brothers
>Considered competitive

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I wish SF ran earlier.
People treat the last time slot as a popularity contest and trophy but fuck watching this shit at 6am in the morning.

>>382576314
Smash Bros is not a fighting game.
SFV had at least 1000 no shows last year on top of having new game hype.
Overall its still trending upwards.

>>382576439
>Smash Bros is not a fighting game.
????????

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>>382576329
>https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2017/jun/05/not-just-video-game-lifestyle-hungrybox-calls-out-certain-company-after-big-smash-n-splash-3-win/
No, nobody comes close.

>>382576314
#1: McRib increased the price 3 fold
#2: GG and Melee got kicked off Sunday, both of which have pretty rabid fanbases
#3: EVO is a poorly run tournament, and people are catching on

>>382576546
yep.

>>382576314
The past couple years the records kept going up. This is it evening out.

>>382576582
This.

>>382576314
SFV is awful and the numbers last year are inflated due to new game hype. There were tons of people who didn't show up for their matches. This combined with the price increase means most casuals are sitting this one out which explains why Smash lost a ton as well.

>>382576582
Registration numbers and Sunday spots have nothing to do with each other.

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>>382575419
>>382576314
>Jesus Christ, what happened?
simple really

>SFV
First year hype is over mixed with negative reception. Still more than SF4's best year

>Smash 4
People are bored of the game already, it just isn't that great

>Melee
The autism is finally running out. Top play has got even more stagnant in who can win and what characters can do well.

>everything else
doing alright, small drops at worst

Tekken it notable in finally breaking 1k which is a huge leap for the game in general.

>>382574759
melee nerds only care about melee. Once melee's over they all file out of the venue; they're a waste of seats on evo sunday.

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>BB on a Sunday while Melee is on Saturday.

Love it.

Because nobody wants the finals day to be stinky day

Still funny how mad people get over Melee.

Them simply existing is going to give the FCG a brain tumor in a few years.

>>382577036
You may be onto something.

>>382577036
This. That's what the rest of the FGC says about Smash players. They find it disrespectful. Most Fighting game players stick around and watch other games that they dont necessarily play. Smash players just watch Smash and then fuck off.

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>>382575451
Pls do tell

>>382574759
melee is autistic and should be banned from evo, the people who play it stink like shit

>>382577364
I wouldnt call stinking shit up simply existing

They want melee players to leave ASAP because they smell like shit and never shower or use deodorant.

Last year there was some guy who shat in a sink or something.

>>382577490
At least around here that's only meleefags. 64 and Sm4shfags have the decency to cheer for other games.

>>382575503
uhh anon?

>>382574759
Melee is for autists

>>382576548
It's just hungrycuck desu.

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EVO is always a blast to watch anyway so I don't have many complaints. I'm just glad BBCF made it in, even moreso that it got the Sunday slot.

Seriously though, why are meleefags so assblasted about a Saturday slot? They deliberately try for variety on Sunday to sell as many tickets as possible which is why they limit it to 1 smash and 1 anime game.

>>382578241
SFV had 11 times as many viewers as Melee last year

>>382579524
>which is why they limit it to 1 B-lister smash and 1 B-lister anime game

FTFY. No one would be complaining if Melee and GG got Sunday slots like they deserve. Sm4sh ruined the times for everything after it last year, and they get rewarded for it.

>>382576924
Tekken's boos isn't that notible since it only just came out on console/in the west. It's basically a mini new game hype boost.

>>382579808
Melee doesn't deserve to be at EVO period. Quit your bitching.

>>382580231
It was there 10 years ago

>>382579808
Smash 4 has more entrants though and BB hasn't been at evo for several years.

Here's how you fix EVO 2018:
>Street Fighter V
>Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite
>Dragon Ball Fighterz
>Tekken 7
>Guilty Gear Xrd Rev 2
>Super Smash Bros. for Wii U
>Killer Instinct
>King of Fighters XIV
>either Pokken Tournament DX or Arika's new game if it releases before July 2018
Old games are put out, new content flows in, a bunch of different styles are represented, everyone's happy. No objections?

>>382580915
yes
nah
sure
yes
yes
no
no
yes
pokken

>>382580915
I'm okay with that.

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>>382574759
>BB on Sunday while GG has 300+ more entrants

>>382580027
Actually the recent release is a negative, tekken is a hard game to learn and people did not have long to decide if they wanted to compete or not.

Plus compare it to other games launch boost it is significantly higher, not many get over 1,000+ ever

>>382580915
>good games out, shit games in.
>everyone is happy.

Did you even think while typing this?

>>382580915
>Killer Instinct
The game is dead as anime kuso, it isn't coming back

>King of Fighters XIV
terrible entrant numbers, PC release brought few if any in. The game would be lucky to last that long

>either Pokken Tournament DX
Everyone hated pokken at evo

>Arika's new game if it releases before July 2018
It in no way will, what they have now is at best a pitch

Tekken should really be the main game on Sunday

>>382581747
lmao

>>382574759

Nintendo probably paid them to do that, and also as a "fuck you" to Hungrybox for speaking out against them. A "teach them a lesson on who is in charge here" sort of thing.

>All these people complaining about GG on Saturday over BB on Sunday
Wizard said that GG wasn't going to be main stage until they announced Rev 2, be thankful that you're even there dudes, I know I am.

http://shoryuken.com/2017/01/25/evo-2017-mr-wizard-talks-to-srk-about-the-games-that-made-it-the-games-that-didnt-and-why/

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>>382581598
>he's a Meleefag AND an Injusticefag

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>>382574759
because melee is slowing while 4 only keeps growing

>>382581747
>kekken

>>382582119
>man who suggests Pokken and Killer Instinct thinks he has any right to speak.

>>382576548
what a fucking whiny douchebag, he claimed he was making all that money to reggie and now he wants financial support from a company that's partially run by a ceo he talked shit to? heh i'd dropkick his faggot face

KIZOKU KIZOKU

>>382580915
GG was pretty boring last year, I'd rather have BB up on stage since we'll probably not see it again after this desu

>>382581963
>Reggie BTFOs Hungrycucks when asked for a response at E3
>reveals him for the whining welfare manchild he is
We cannot have a more based PR monkey.

>>382576548
What the fuck happened in this picture? Did he cry after losing a match?

>>382577507
During Smash 4 top 8 both the twitch chat and fucking attendees there where screaming "WE WANT MELEE" or something of that nature

>>382582713
his dramatic reaction to winning EVO 2016 was to roll on the floor and cry

>>382582919
that reminds me of when wong rolled on the floor, but that was just a fun impromptu accident into smooth landing that he really meant to do all along, he swears

>>382582713
>>382582919
no wonder he's reddit's favorite

>>382582563
Except for the Woshige spaghetti.

>>382576924
>Top play has got even more stagnant in who can win and what characters can do well.

What happened exactly?

>>382583146
Woshige was 2 years ago

>>382583221
Was it?

Fuck, time flies.

why are memelee fags such nigs?

I hope we get some cool announcements at EVO.
From all companies.

We all know Catherine is the best game at EVO

>>382583920
>not AVP 2

>>382583920
>>382584304
>not Mario Kart DS

>>382575419

Face it, Smash is a better game than KOF. KOF is a relic from the early 90s with 0 hype.

>>382581858
>>382582315
More entertaining to watch than Street Fighter

Both Smash games should be removed from the premises

KI not being in is a disgrace

>>382583920
>>382584304
>>382584420
>not Mario Retardy

the actually stupid thing is blazblue instead of guilty gear

>>382583193
Armada and Hbox are the only ones who can win anymore

>>382584728
This. I don't even play KI, but it's a legit fighting game.
Smahers keep talking about how they don't care about EVO and how it's not their main event or anything.

>>382584728
I would rather watch KI than melee

>>382584886
Their winning is making the scene lose in the long run.

>>382575374
IT'S NEVER EVER GOING AWAY. DEAL WITH IT FGKEK.

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>Smash on Sunday
Fucking fantastic. Time for the manchildren to delay SF finals by 2 hrs. AGAIN

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It's hilarious watching the FGC hypocrisy when it comes to smash and how they ignore the fucked up shit it's own fanbases have done in the past. It wasn't too long ago when "when's mahvel "chants rained in on every other game and MK/anime fans used to get bullied and vandalized. I guess it's just not the fgc if they're not shitting on some game for being "lesser" all while eating up whatever capcom shits out

>>382580915
It disappoints me that nobody plays KI. I mostly blame the system it's on, but I'm actually astonished at the amount of support it gets from the devs regardless. It really does deserve more love.

>>382585496
Good, Street Fighter 5 is so boring to watch tho
USF4 should've lasted another 2 years

I'm glad there's gonna be a JAP evo. USA is capcom country.

>>382585790
>MK/anime fans used to get bullied and vandalized

Examples, please.

>>382574759
Honey, melee gets more views than street fighter 5. Its all because of the nintendobux and capcash.

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>>382585208
>>382584886
Obligatory.

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>No MvC:I
Scrubs

>>382586172
>Capcom fighting games in 2017

high lel

>>382585975

t. mad kappa 09'er

>>382580915
>pokken
Tekken is alrdy here,they are not appealing toddlers anymore,just be gratefull they are adding smash.

>>382574759
Genuinely, why do smashbabbies cry about finals time? I mean they always do, it's fucking crazy.

>>382586336
t. 16er

>>382581963
So Nintendo showed up who's the boss of that gym?

>>382574759
because its a 30 year old game that's had the sunday spot for three years in a row now, when new fighting games are constantly getting released.

Maybe mr wizard is trying to apologize to the fgc after cucking them for 3 years straight. or maybe nintendo just didnt give him any money this time around

>>382586720
you could say they settled it right there on the ring

>>382585975
I'm glad USF4 is gone. SF4 lasted so many god damned years and I'm still sick of it. Plus I disagree about SFV being boring to watch.

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>>382575419
>Rev 2 would be on instead of BB
I agree. Fuck BB. It couldn't even hit 500 entrants and it's on Sunday. I'm glad this is the last game.

>>382582771
On top of that, while the winners were receiving their accolades and trophies, people were chanting "MELEE!" "MELEE!" "MELEE!"

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>>382586830
>2001 was 30 years ago
How time flies.

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>>382587713
>brand new Tekken 7 upstaged by Melee, a game from almost 20 years ago

JUST!

>>382587771
That's so fucking autistic and dumb.

>>382574759

Why have Smash at all?

>>382587953
That's Melee.

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>>382574893
>>382578241


When your head is so far up your ass you don't even know which way is up anymore.

>>382574759
Didn't the Melee stream do better numbers than SFV last year?

They don't want to embarrass Capcom again.

>>382581338
>>382584838
Everyone in the thread is missing the real problem here, and it's this. Who gives a shit about smash.

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>>382575419
>>382587713
Absolutely satisfying
Fuck goobers

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>>382588146
In reality people really don't know which one got more viewers at the end because the ESPN cover

>>382574759
Why is Smash even at fucking Evo? They take up 2 slots, and don't even care about the other games. They have their own majors which are extremely successful. They should just go.

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>>382588146
SFV was after melee. I had the stream on waiting for SFV, for instance.
Also SFV was on TV and had a ton of viewers. Chads got pretty upset.

Meleefags should kill themselves, honestly. It's been 16 years, let it go already.

>>382588463
This, do like Street Fighter and #RiseUp

>>382581338
BB and uMVC3 will be Sunday morning when everyone is still passed out.

Saturday afternoon/evening is way better than getting the 9am treatment on a Sunday.

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>>382587713
>B-But SFV is dead!!!11!

>>382574759
They do what they're paid to do.

EVO is about making money, not the fans.

>>382588550
We're not talking about Street Fighter, kappabro.
The fact is that smash isn't a fighting game and shouldn't be taking up 2 spots at EVO.

>>382588379

that pic is for TI5

>>382588659
Well it's about half of the number of entrants it had last year.

>>382588709

Smash is a fighting and no amount of fgc autism will change that. You can argue whether or not it's a good, competitive fighting game but it's a fighting game.

>>382585496

The best thing this EVO will be MVCI, DBFZ and EX being playable there. I might watch SFV just in case if something gets revealed. UMVC3 too just because it's the last year.

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>>382588659
You know a fight game is dead when there are just US guys on Winner's bracket final than japs. Bless the CEO

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>>382588831
Because it was brand new last year. Same drop off happened the year after USF4 and the same will happened to Tekken and Injustice 2 (if its even alive by next yr). Im more surprised SFV had a decent enough retention third year

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>>382588915
You are gonna be cucked so hard desu

>>382589245
>Same drop off happened the year after USF4

USF4 was at two EVOs (2014 and 2015), and 2015 had more entrants than 2014.

>>382589413
look into its mechanics and how people play on a high level, its a fighting game desu dont listen to that autistic jap

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>>382588379
>The one guy who was too lazy to chnnge the channel and ended up enjoying it

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Melee players do not:

>shower
>use soap or shampoo
>use deodorant/antiperspirant
>wear clean clothing
>understand social interaction
>have respect for other games or players

In addition, one of the top Melee players cheats with a faulty controller and refuses to play when he can't use a faulty controller.

>>382589245
Wrong.

>>382589498
Got the data mate? Would look to the a look

>>382589652
https://shoryuken.com/2014/07/01/evo-2014-registration-numbers-released-ultra-street-fighter-iv-leads-the-pack-with-nearly-2000-players/

https://shoryuken.com/2015/07/01/evo-2015s-final-registration-numbers-released-see-where-your-favorite-game-stands/

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>>382589413

>what is death of an author
>first game was literally Dragon King: The fighting game reskinned with nintendo characters
>sumo is not fighting

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>>382586068
so what you're saying is that melee's skill ceiling is incredibly high and unlike any other fighting game's?

>>382582771
>>382587771
This, plus there was a shitload of heckling during matches. The Melee "fandom" are disgusting and have no respect, despite getting respect across the board.

>>382586068
A lot of street fighter 4's meta was literally characters getting buffed and nerfed left and right so the top players were seemingly varied but really any scene is going go through that phase of players dominating everyone without a patch or update.

Also all of this sounds like in Melee's favor as not just any retarded homeless person on the street can get top EVO placement.

>>382589835
so high the top players are required to cheat with rigged controllers

>>382580231
>Melee
>Not Smash 4
Real talk, Smash 4 and SFV are garbage competitive games and shouldn't be at EVO. It'll probably be the same with MvCI.

USF4 or Third Strike should replace them, but unfortunately capcbros play for money rather than the love of the genre so they follow whatever shit game they can.

>>382589601
POO IN THE POOL

>>382588774
Yeah, I noticed. My bad.

>>382589529
Why is it that with most fighting games, pros tend to at least know about other games that their mains' and even play them at a decent level, but with smash there is a huge division?

>>382589835
yeh

>>382590209
>but unfortunately capcbros play for money rather than the love of the genre so they follow whatever shit game they can.

Someone has to pay for rooms and travel.

>>382587839
i actually couldn't do the math, so just decided on memeing

>>382590209
Enjoy.

>>382589601
Who is said top Melee player? Hungrybox?

>>382590559
Armada.

>>382590559
Leffen, they just don't know it yet.

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>>382589725
Good shit. Could have swore it had the usual drop off as every other game. Only difference is when USF4 released in 2014, it was only out in NA for about a month of 2. It explains why the second yr was larger. But still, point taken. Thanks anon

>have to spent all of saturday in a room full of smelly smash kids
ugh

>>382590617
Used to have a SLIGHT bit of respect for him compared to other Melee players, but not anymore.

because melee and its players are fucking retarded

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>>382590209
>Forgets about USFIV cancer of 2014
>Forgets the same finalist of Third Strike during many years
Damn... You really are a fucking casual

>>382590693
I thought Leffen was banned from the US.

>>382589601
So the venue won't smell on Sunday?

>>382590941
He was so good they had to ban him.

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>>382586068
>Eat shit, but considering you're defending Melee you probably already do.
I felt that one, god damn.

>>382574759
EVO is so damn corrupt. UMVC3 on sunday still really?

>>382574759
Why did Evo drop USF4 when there are two Smash games / a bunch of games nobody plays? Game was hype to watch.

>>382590941
Nah, just Visa issues that have since been solved

>>382590910
They're just memers for the upvotes, famalam.

>>382591123
When a new fighting game comes out in the series the older one stops being the main game. They are still played and enjoyed, just not in the main stage.
Smash is the only game the breaks that rule through sheer force of autism. Also it's not a fighting game series.

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>>382590910

Why exactly is the same finalists a problem again? If anything it gives more legitimacy to the game's skill level

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>>382590910
USFIV is a better game, but SFV is better for spectators. Because "Muh comeback and HYPE".
Same can be said about Smash 4 and Melee.

Melee is a shit game, and Smash 4 is actually good.

this thread is becoming cancer so what are you lads planning on watching?
GG
Melee
Tekken
maybe some DBFZ
Catherine

here

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Is Mang0 a Trump supporter or a Libcuck?

>>382591449
There's no official USF4 tournament, "main stage" or not. It has the same status as Melty Blood, HnK or Karnov's Revenge at EVO.

>>382591119
UMvC3 has a sunday spot for the same reason Melee had one in 2013, 16er.

>>382591479
Seems to me that if other good players just can't find a way to defeat the best, it takes legitimacy away from the game.

>>382591502
>but SFV is better for spectators

Is it really though? Almost everyone I know is on the "I used to watch weeklies religiously during SF4 but now I don't watch SF at all" train.

>>382591123
Capcom killed off USF4 to push SFV. Evo has a lot of industry ties and you can consider the event partly marketing for new fighting games. Nintendo probably would have done the same to Melee if it wasn't for the pushback and probably the evident fact that they aren't going to get Melee players to switch games.

>>382591119
It got voted in, how is that corrupt?

>>382591119
Mcrib loves it so it gets special treatment.

>>382591945
How? That just means they're not as good as the best, and they need to practice more.

Because Melee is not a fighting game.

>>382591976
I haven't seen a major tournament stream break 40k this year, Next Level and WNF USF4 had viewership in the thousands, etc.

>>382591506
GG
DBFZ
BB
Tekken

I hope Samitto takes it, but if Machaboo still enters then its probably going to be him again, but the Sin nerfs have already made it harder for him to screw people over even though he's really just a solid player.

>>382592000
>>382591976
Players want newer games, so it's not just "Capcom killing SFIV".
People forget that it took SFIV many years to be as fun as it was with USFIV. Even with that it's far from perfect.

>>382592167
That sounds too linear to me.

>>382591506
Sm4sh
Injustice
Maybe a little GG if my buddy gets into it

>>382589732
>death of the author
Only high school english teachers beleve in death of the author. Also, this is a fcuking video game, it's even less possible to argue with the developer.

>>382591119
That's probably the least corrupt thing about EVO.

Casuals love to watch MvC.

What is it I'm hearing about DBFZ?

The game isn't coming out till next year, are they putting a demo for side events?

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>>382591479
No room for growth and no new blood getting in, unless they too had 15+ years of melee experience.

No new blood means viewers dropping out, as it's nothing more than the same old thing over and over.

Would've probably been staved if Nintendo balanced out the later games better, but they really didn't. Would also help if melee players weren't also as stubborn as they are to change (specific-specific controllers, CRTVs, etc)

>>382591945
>takes away from enjoyment of the game
ftfy

seriously. its the top level equivalent of your older brother beating yoy all the time, and only a fucking retard would say the game is made worse because i was a little kid with no skill

>>382591506
Every Sunday game and maybe KoF. I usually just tune into whatever is on AnimEVO during Friday and Saturday whenever there isn't a Top 32 for a game I care about.

>>382591506
GG
Melee
Tekken

The big 3 of fighting games.

>>382592387
>Also, this is a fcuking video game, it's even less possible to argue with the developer
how so?

>>382574759
Who the fuck wants to watch a 15 y/o meta. It's so fucking lame.

>>382591506
BB
Tekken
Catherine
UMVC3
Ultimax

>>382574904
>Nintendo
>Supporting smash
>Supporting sm4sh

yeaaaa, no.

>>382589926
What about melee attracts those kinds of people? I know that every game has "that" group, but with melee it's like they make up at least 70% of the competitive scene

>>382590910
What was so bad about SF4 in 2014? Legitimate question because that was the one year I went and I missed all of the SF4 content except my own pool and like top 3.

>>382592606
It's a party game targeting kids aged 3-12. You have to be a part of "that" group to care about it competitively to begin with.

>>382574759
>Melee
Oh baby, can't wait to see probably the same 5 people or so using furshit, featherfag, le tipper guy, princess ass, balloon sleeper, and captain meme in GF!

>>382591976
>"I used to watch weeklies religiously during SF4 but now I don't watch SF at all"
Yeah, almost everyone you know liked SF4 but don't like SF5.
But for your casuals and Twitch kiddies, which one do you think would be more appealing.

Keep in mind SF4's neutral game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi7L5aBlt4Y

>>382592724
nobody is forcing you to watch it.

>>382592329
Capcom only indirectly killed SFIV, since EVO ultimately decided not to allow it as an official game.

The Cannons and Wiz have a sweet gig: take payola from the game companies on top of entry and venue fees, and then staff the entire thing with unpaid volunteer suckers.

>>382589732
death of the author is like mugen kids wanting to take credit for their oc donut steal sprite edits and saying that's what things are now

>>382592673
Maybe he just picked a year at random. The only bad year of SF4 was AE year (2011), since that version shouldn't even have been released.

>>382592426
Nintendo literally only knew about wavedashing, lots of shit that changed everything were way out of everyone's hands

It was a joke that Jigglypuff was secretly good for years for example, nobody saw that shit actually happening

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>>382592673
USFIV is what makes shit SFV S2. You get more compensated for playing more agressive and the defence options are limitated as fuck. Elena/Rolento being in every fucking pool and almost dominating the finals

>>382592517
An author puts words to paper, and you are free to interpret whatever you want, regardless of the author's intent. A developer dictates exactly what you can and can't do in a game. Melee is a rare exeption, but only because it is competitive thanks to a quirk of the phisics, so Sakurai went out of his way to make it less competitive in brawl and 4.

Though none of that applys to the story of a game.

>>382592816
>casuals love SFV
The new game gets hate and everyone talks about "the good old days". SFIV got a lot of hate and everyone was dickriding 3rd Strike even when USFIV was out.

>>382593218
>Defense options are limited as fuck
>Brings up fucking Elena
Her entire gimmick is playing defensively and getting more Healings, the fuck is wrong with you

>>382592387

>>382591416
care to explain this?
>autism

right. nerds are playing a game a way the dev didnt intend during development. buts its a fucking videogame, not even the dev can tell people how to have their own fun. it happened with smb to make sonic, it happened to sf2 to make the fighting game genre, it happened with quake to make the competitive arena shooter.


the dev may have a shit load of authority, but not to the point were we're allowed ignorance to an entire fucking community,metagame and a 2,000 man event(2016)

>>382592673
And I think I fucked up the years it was 2015

It's the same old shit with the same exact players, we've seen the same tourney 100 times over, let it rest

>>382593319
Then why does SFV as many entrants and viewers as it does?
Is Capcom paying them? 'Cause I'll get in on that.

>>382593350
They went overboard with the changes to make the game less defensive, specially in S2.
With so many complaints about it it's probably going to get adjusted to something less retarded.

>>382592519
gonna take the bait

literally not the same game as it was even 2 years ago, the discovery and implementation of shit like shield dropping and SDI have drastically changed how neutral is played to the point where pros say older sets can't even be studied anymore

plus punish game optimization has made it so that most higher level players only need an opening or two to take a stock

Realistically how much are these people spending to play a game/watch a game there if they don't live nearby? It's gotta be at least around a thousand right?

>>382593313
>so Sakurai went out of his way to make it less competitive in brawl and 4
he literally added a competitive mode online though.

>>382592329
There's no denying all the SF4 iterations had their problems and that SF4 was getting long in the tooth, but it could have gone another year if they refined the PS4 port and balanced out Elena, Rolento, and a few chars. Then they could make use of that time to further develop the game and maybe not staff it with monkeys. But Sony bucks and Capcom greed led to USF4 getting killed off in 1 year and the rushed product you see today.

>>382576314
1) SF IV was a massive success and SFV failed to catch up on that.

2) People are sick of Smash in general.
Shit is getting popular and it gets pushed everywhere so of course EVO Smash loses interest

>>382593537
If it gets that many entrants then it's not the casuals loving the game. That's a competitive environment.
I also think the game is fun and apparently so do many people.

>>382574759

Melee isn't #1 in registrations, only viewers

>>382591506
Definitely Dragonball
SFV
Maybe a little Tekken if there are any Alisa mains.

Melee is not on ESPN. Melee doesn't get more views than SFV. Melee is boring.

>>382593657
SFV should've been delayed at least a few months, for sure.
USFIV was doing good and SFV didn't need to be rushed for EVO. It ended up hurting the game a lot.

>>382581338
Because EVO hates anime fighters and GG is the bigger anime fighter so of course you fuck GG over.

Also: It's pretty much BBs final year. Centralfiction is the last game of the series and it only goes downhill from here.

>>382593604
if he wasn't even his decision. its an out of touch concept of what the competitive scene wants. on tp of that, it doesn't change the fact that he made the game slower, increased knockback and made the blast box further away

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Place one of these in each corner of your venue to keep Smashfags out?

Needs project m instead of sm4sh

>>382593357
People speedrunning a game doesn't make the game a time trial. And devs don't make the next game a time trial because people speedrun it. You can sit there and say people play games in ways that wern't intended, but the issue is right there. It's unintended, and clearly so. SF2 decided that the unintended way to play the game was better, so in 3 they made it the intended way. Sakaui didn't so he did the opposite.

>>382593879
>if he wasn't even his decision
Source? I've never heard of this.

>>382593763
>EVO 2016 averaged 201,000 viewers on ESPN2. On Twitch, Street Fighter V reached a peak viewership of 208,496.
That's a total of 409,496 viewers.
Smash got a total of 232,900 on twitch.

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>>382594010
>Play my shitty hack instead of the latest game in the series!

>>382594010
Why didn't this catch on? Seems like it's just the same game but with actual support so that shit can get fixed and you can bring better balance and excitement to the game.

>>382594265

So this is consoletard logic

>>382594292
"Cease & desist" -Nintendo

>>382593873
SF5 wasn't rushed for EVO. It was rushed for the "tournament season" that started in February.

And yeah, USF4 could've gone another year while they worked SF5 into something that wouldn't bomb massively on release. Either Capcom was delusional and thought SF5 was in a good state for release, or they couldn't wait another year for $ reasons.

Smash is for kids and autism

>>382594292
Because it's not Melee and it's not an official Nintendo game.

>>382594292
Nintendo fucked them and then the cucks who made it decided to bend the knee

>>382594292
Cause nintendo doesn't like people having fun.

>>382594021
>if it wasn't even his decision
fuck.
*if it was even his decision
just speculating. after evo, i'd imagine nintendo would want to some good will and tried to cash in on the wave.

>>382594019
>the dev may have a shit load of authority, but not to the point were we're allowed ignorance to an entire fucking community,metagame and a 2,000 man event(2016)
lets agree to disagree

>>382594534
whoops let me try that again.

>>382594019

>>382593357
the dev may have a shit load of authority, but not to the point were we're allowed ignorance to an entire fucking community,metagame and a 2,000 man event(2016)
lets agree to disagree

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>2 best games are on Saturday now (Melee and GG)

Fuck, well now what the hell am I supposed to do on Sunday now.

Guess Ill just play some video games

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>TFW more people that chill and have fun with Smash than autists and "pro" gamers that can't even make top 8 consistently

>>382594434
>or they couldn't wait another year for $ reasons
This would be guess. I mean, I think they were pushed a bit by Sony and the publisher part of Capcom.

>>382594432
>>382594484
>>382594505
>>382594516
I guess those are their characters and all. Still, it's not like the project m team is making money off of that.
I don't know much about smash, anyways. Just made sense to play a game that had support and could get proper changes, even if they don't come from actual big game developers. Sounds better than what they have now.

>>382592419
There's going to be a side tourney of it. Registration capped out at 200ish in 10 minutes.

>>382594716
>the dev may have a shit load of authority, but not to the point were we're allowed ignorance to an entire fucking community,metagame and a 2,000 man event(2016)
Yes they do, dumb faggot.

>>382595005
No they don't, jack ass.

>>382594781
I dont play BB anymore, but I will watch it just for Fenrich vs SKD GF. I do think SKD has a chance against Japan

>>382593357
>>382594716
You forgot that the dev is a multi-million dollar company capable of funding events and players and has had a history of flexing legal muscle to shut down the profiting of making content and videos of their game. Nintendo could have killed off Melee in 2013 when they were gooning on Youtube and Twitch, but chose not to.

>>382574759
melee is the worst smash

>>382594814
But it was simply a non profit fan game. Nintendo was just being spiteful.

>>382594516
It´s the other way around

These threads are always terrible because you people can't stop shit flinging and talking shit about other games. Fuck's sake, why can't you just respect other people? Is it really hard?

>>382595354
We don't like Nintendo having fun?

>>382595067
Yes they do, asswipe.

>>382574759
Why is Sunday even so sought after? I'd rather watch vidya on Saturday evening when I can drink a few beers.

>>382595304
It's just as well. Keep in mind that it wasn't just Nintendo properties being used in Project M. For all we know, they could have been threatened with gang-rape from Capcom, Bamco, Konami, Sega, or any of the combination of the above as well as Nintendo.

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>2 smash game
>again
>yfw

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>>382574759
>melee

>>382595430
>4chan
>respecting others
lel

>>382595476
No they do not, shitstain.
>>382595520
I can see that.

>>382575419
Holy fuck tekken

>>382595130
but they didn't. and know people are enjoying the game a different way.

>allowed ignorance
the publisher has the authority to kill the scene, sure, but we're not fucking retarded. That's exactly what happened. Nintendo, not sakurai, tried to ax melee at evo, but the internet,not just the smash community, wasnt braindead, realized what was happening and decided to do something about it

>>382574904
>yfw smash4 switch port
>melee never ever

>>382591119
>fan vote
>not sunday

>>382595702
Can you even use gamecube controllers for it?

>>382595472
no, you dont like people having fun

I miss when Evo actually played old games.

>>382595097
SKD has a chance if he isn't drunk and isn't an excuse-making dumbfuck, but he's one or both of those 99% of the time so he may be able to make Top 8 at best. Fenrich will die to the Carl/Izanami horde and GF will be Carl mirrors and I will throw my copy of the game in the trash.

>>382595594
Except they actually do, cocklover.
>>382595532
Just wait until Melee finally dies.

I'd rather Pokken get another shot than SSBM

>>382595838
how?

>>382581338
nips bb>gg

>>382574759
You're lucky smash gets any fucking EVO support party game Fag kys.

>>382574759
I dont get it saturday day is better than Sunday so what's the fuss.

>>382596074
The fuss is smash shouldn't be at Evo in the first place.

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>>382595979

>>382595892
Except they don't, dick gobbler.

>>382574759
To take a break from the whining about both Sm4sh and Melee's continued inclusion in EVO, I have a question.

Which version of UMVC3 are they using? Are they sticking with the PS3 or are they going to use the new PS4 or PC version?

>>382574759
>no Skullgirls
;_;

>>382596157
I don't understand what you're getting at. When did I get mad at for fun mode?

>>382596180
I thought it was the 360 version that ran the best.

>>382596180
PS4, most games are on it

>>382596162
>>382595892
I say let us all agree to disagree. I am the Anon who made the claim that they don't, in the first place :^)

>>382586068
>Smash 4 adds Bayo
>"pros" lost their shit because she actually mixes things up an force them to play different
>was so bad that Zero tried to get into Pokken talking shit, got his ass handed to him, and went back to Smash
>continued to whine even after the nerf

Because the FGC hates Smash players, especially Melee players. If they weren't so whiny about not getting everything they want for their setups or at least having the decency to bathe regularly, it probably wouldn't be as much of an issue.

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anyone want to lobby up for some sfv?

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>>382596201

Sorry anon, the fgc doesn't actually support good games. They only support whatever gets shilled the hardest. Look forward to MvCI next year

>>382596436
no

>>382596162
Prove me wrong then, asslicker.
>>382596201
This. Didn't they get cheated out of it?

It's over

Melee is finished

>>382596534
You first, butt bandit.

>>382596201
Fucking Marvelfags

>>382574759
>meele
ded gaem

>>382596456
solid 4 altercation

>>382596456
upvoted

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>>382596436
I will when Capcom finally has the balls to fix Alex. Even after the patch he's not as good as he could be. Also fix his fucking stance.

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reminder that if you unironically watch and give views to mainstage EVO you are the cancer killing the FGC

>>382594073
>because being on national television is totally a fair comparison
If Melee were on ESPN2 it'd totally btfo SFV in veiwership like it does on twitch.

>>382596632
You made the claim that it wasn't true, booty pirate.

>>382594010
might as well put mugen at evo then

omega tom hanks vs killer whale vs nightmare broly vs rare akuma

>>382596395
>"pros" lost their shit because she actually mixes things up an force them to play different
No Bayo was stupidly broken, and her 0 to death combo was braindead easy, and all it to was a countered jab to start it.

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Do fightsticks usually go on sale around evo, and if so what's the usual deal?

>>382596871

>competitive Catherine

This is actually some of the greatest shit i've ever watched in a VS game.

>>382595870
SKD hasn't even been making excuses and stuff. Also, Carl players generally are pretty scared of Fenrich. I was watching Minami's stream with Fenrich on, and he's apparently known as the best in that matchup. He has an absurd winrate at the arcades, and never loses any ft10.

>>382596919
No I didn't, anus invader.

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>>382596984
Why would they go on sale during the time that people impulsively buy fightsticks?

>>382596871
Seriously, it's been ass since 2014 or so. AnimEVO had been a godsend the past 2 years despite the 3g shitting out all the time.

Even better, this year you have shit like Dissidia, DBFZ, and Gundam that will all be off the mainstream, plus that new shit

>>382596904
People were waiting to watch SFV while Melee was on. SFV is literally the last game to be played. Meleefags just leave right after their game is over.

>>382597131
Yes you did, rectum devourer.

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>>382596635

>Skullgirls is now more Mahvel than Marvel

>>382597152
wew ok, so much for that plan. When do they usually go on sale?

>>382597234
If people on twitch were waiting to watch SFV when Melee was on then why did vieweship drop and stay lower after Melee ended?

>>382597239
Any proof of that, booty warrior?

I love Xrd, it's one of my favorite fighting games to play, but I've never found it that entertaining to watch. Don't know why

>>382597234
>Meleefags just leave right after their game is over.
This was actually a problem last year. Mr McRib and the EVO organizers, as well as ESPN were pissed because all of the sudden there were epmty seats in the stadium. They forgot that smashkiddies have a bedtime, so you can't blame the smashmilfs who had to take them home

>>382597234

I find that hard to believe when there was literally an hour break between them

>>382597447
>Mr McRib and the EVO organizers, as well as ESPN were pissed because all of the sudden there were epmty seats in the stadium
why were they pissed?

>>382597371
I'm not saying everyone watching was waiting on SFV, dummy.
I'm saying that a bunch of people were, which made numbers bigger.

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>>382574759

It's because Melee is shit. Nobody and I mean nobody without autism wants to watch the same Melee players make the top 8 and repeat the same brackets they've played all year... This game is going down hill because it lacks any sort of variation or upsets and with Hungrybox being as lame as he is and for sure planking the top 8 there will definitely be a nail in the coffin for this retarded title. Come on kids, grow the fuck up, times are changing - like always Melee players fail to adapt because they are literally autistic losers.

>>382597407
>booty warrior?
That's dirty work, buttblaster.

>>382597447
>haha i love le r/kappa haha mcribs amirite haha smash kids smash milfs mmmmm haha im so cool sfv sucks btw FUCK smash xD

>>382597684
You're the one to talk, rectum driller.

>>382597564
Because there were empty seats. Smashbabbies literally took their CRTs and fucked off. And with EVO being on national television for the first time, empty seats don't paint a good picture.

>>382597697
t. known smasher

I would love to see a repeat of Civil War and have top players out of the Top 8 for Sm4sh. Especially if someone like T makes a run with an unexpected character.

>>382597435
High level Xrd is a treat to watch have you watch Evo Sai 2017 GF? Samitto vs Zadi? That set was godlike

>>382592387
So if Sakurai said smash brothers was a cooking simulator, it would be a cooking simulator?

>>382597176
They even have Puyo Puyo Tetris too.

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I honestly can't wait to watch BB on sunday. Just for the fact that if it's anything like the top16 back in 2014, we're gonna have a good time. Who are the confirmed Nip players coming over? Seeing souji's crazy arakune, Fumi's retarded Nine, Dora's the people's champ Bang, Rikutoe's amazing Izanami, Fenrich da god with his Jin, Ryuusei's impeccable Carl, J Anson's trolling Hazama and so much more will really make BB's last game a great send off to a fantastic fighting game ;_;

>>382597896
Yet here you are, still bitching, anal excavator.

>>382598181
Izayoi vs Jin pls. Fuck Carls

Have they put out a full schedule yet?

>>382597176
>>382598095
Aw shit, they got PPT?

If there's MB, DBFZ, Catherine, and PPT, I dunno if I'll even watch anything else...

>>382592053
Because it got voted in with money, and it was mostly just one guy who dumped a shitton of money right at the end.

>>382598278
Those are some big words coming from you. How long did it take you to come up with that one, colon explorer?

>>382596984
%10 off
madcatz ded

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>>382598181
https://twitter.com/L0n3l1eR/status/867529702084407296
There are some here that aren't listed, but the JP turnout is huge, bigger than 2014.

Who is even pushing for Smash to be considered a fighting game?
The communities are so different. Why would smashers even try to force their way in when they're not wanted by most people?
It feels like a lot of people just try to be "politically correct" when including smash in the FGC.

>>382598605
Not as long as it took you to come up with that little insult, intestine prowler.

>>382597952
t. known redditor

>>382598739
I bet you thought that was clever, chocolate thief.

>>382598840
I did indeed, Hershey find.

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>>382574759
>tfw UNIST release date misses EVO by 3 days
just fuck my life up senpaitachi

>>382596632
>>382596919
>>382597131
>>382597239
>>382597407
>>382597684
>>382597896
>>382598278
so are you guys gonna fuck or what