>first 2D Metroid in 13 years Why isn't anyone on /v/

>>382571014
I'm cautiously optimistic. It's a remake of a game that the fans already remade. Not only that, it's being headed by Sakamoto, aka Mr. "THE BABY". And if you think for one second he's learned his lesson from Other M, then congrats for falling into the oldest marketing trick in the book.

>>382571014
Remake, not new.

It's a remake and it's on 3DS.

I have no interest in it at all.

>>382571014
>getting excited for a metroid game not made by retro studios or nintendo but instead by an unproven eropean dev
>its a remake of 2 anyways and not a new game
>has quicktime events

i dunno OP. how can i get excited when am2r exists.

>>382571014
There's been multiple threads about it and it's not like there's much else to talk about. Just gotta wait for it.

Because every single Metroid thread that's been started since Other M first came out inevitably devolves into rampant shitposting within ten posts.

>>382571259
He's directed all the 2D Metroids so far so I'm not sure how that's even relevant, especially for a remake.

>>382571425
You must be high off your ass if you think Samus Returns doesn't look entirely different from the original Metroid II. Hell, it doesn't even look much like AM2R.

It's a remake
They destroyed AM2R for this
It's being made by a developer with a track record for making shit games

>>382571014
Metroid fans are autistic

It's a remake, not a new game
not to mention we already have a metroid 2 remake that is almost definitely better than this one will be

>>382571592
>>382572034
this.
the only good game mercury steam ever made was scrapland. and i probably only remember it fondly because of nostalgia goggles.

>>382571014
People are excited. What is there to talk about right now, though? You're just inviting hot takes from shiposters and stupid people.

Yes metroidfags are this ungratfull, always bitching, forever.

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Do you think that Samus will still fail this test?

>>382572069
This.
I'd be very surprised if they achieve to do better.

>>382571259
It's not like Sakamoto also directed 11/10 Super Metroid, Zero Mission and Fusion.

>>382572034
>destroyed
You can go and download it whenever you want.
kys

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>>382571014
I am, I was worried about it at first but it honestly looks really fun the more I see of it. It'll probably be really easy but I don't mind.

>>382572034
>They destroyed AM2R for this
You can download the 1.1 for free everywhere, learn to fucking google you retard and stop crying.

>>382572616
>>382572528
I already have it downloaded you smoothbrains, but the dev wanted to add more content to it which isn't going to happen now

Nintendo has made it quite clear that they can't produce a competent remake at this point. And a proper sequel is definitely out of the question. Get ready for an even more linear Metroid II with Other M-tier writing.

>different map
>different abilities
>hell different controls, can control the cannon 360 degrees
>you haven't played Metroid 2 anyway you liars
>"hurr rehash durr"

>>382572034
>>382572160

I have to wonder if either of you watched the treehouse footage if you're going to continue to get hung up on Mercury Steam's involvement. Besides, they're not just being given free reign on it. The game's being designed by people that worked on Zero Mission.

Also, why do people continue to shit on Nintendo for taking down AM2R? It's one of the weirdest talking points since the game was publicly in development for a decade and then successfully finished and released. It even got a bug fix. Nintendo fulfilled a legal obligation while still letting the entire thing get made and released.

>>382571916
>>382572501
Sakamoto had nothing to do with previous games being good. He only attached his name to the credits in the same way that Inafune attached his name to Megaman for instant stardom. And if you would argue against this, explain why Other M even happened in the first place. ignoring the retarded story, the gameplay is a mishmosh of bad decisions and terrible design flaws that contradict everything good about Metroid.

Oh, and for relevancy, he says he's happy with how Other M turne dout, and he wants to give the same treatment to Metroid 2. To quote his words, "I want to expand Samus's relationship with the baby". Tell me that isn't a giant red flag.

>>382573000
People don't know what the fuck they're talking about. The AM2R dev team is entirely in support of SR and encouraged everyone who played AM2R to buy it. Hell, AM2R's title screen even tells people to support Nintendo and buy Metroid II on the eShop, so what the fuck are people trying to prove by "boycotting" Samus Returns?

>>382573000
>It even got a bug fix. Nintendo fulfilled a legal obligation while still letting the entire thing get made and released.
That is the stupidest thing they could've done. If they didn't want it existing, can it before it finishes. Don't half-ass it and try to act like our friend. You're nothing but a corporation, don't pretend otherwise.

>>382573195
Shut the fuck up retard.

>>382573195
(You)

>>382573056
>To quote his words, "I want to expand Samus's relationship with the baby"
You can, of course, provide a citation.

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>>382573195
It was PR to let it release before canning it and that's obvious, but do you really have any reason to be angry at them? Like other anons have said, the complete game was released and Nintendo is making their own remake. If Samus Returns is shit, you can still play AM2R. Everyone wins. Holding a petty grudge because they shut down a dev who has explicitly stated they *want* people to play Nintendo's remake is pants on head retarded.

I don't like the artstyle

>>382571014
I am, plus Sakamoto already announced that Samus Returns opens up the potential of the 2D Metroid franchise and he hinted at Metroid Dread (Metroid 5) in an IGN interview, so I'm getting this game for Dread.

>>382573056
I fail to see the difference between his credits in Super Metroid and Fusion and his credits in Other M.
If anything, the only Metroid games his names were slapped on was the Prime trilogy and Federation Force i.e. special thanks.

Can we have a single thread about this game anywhere on the entire Internet that doesn't bring up AM2R?

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>>382573691
samus returns looks nice! nice!

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>>382571014
Because /v/ isn't allowed to like anything without getting called a shill.

>>382571014
We already have a superior remake in the form of AM2R. No, it's not "different", you worthless Nintenshills, it's a superior experience that actually captures the original's nuance and isn't some 30 FPS-capped Mirror of Fate clone.

>>382573691
Fair enough. I think it looks alright for a 2.5D 3DS game, but that's just me. Thanks for being the one anon in here to present a valid reason.

>>382573180
I don't really care about what an Argentinian clearly hoping to get employed by Nintendo says. This issue transcends that.

>>382573683
>PR
No, it really wasn't. Better to give them a chance to rebrand if you really want to pull that argument.

>>382573056
>He only attached his name to the credits in the same way that Inafune attached his name to Megaman for instant stardom
>Sakamoto - Director, Scenario Designer and Script Writer for Super Metroid, Fusion and Zero Mission
>Inafune - random guy working on the art side of the game
Really activated my almonds!
Also, even the best artist and developers make mistakes, Warren Spector did Deus Ex and then directed the shitty Deus Ex 2 and there are many more examples of this.

What is the consensus of Samus Returns outside of /v/? Is everyone as disgusted by it as /v/ is?

>>382574564
>I don't care what the literal creator of this fangame that I am trying to defend said

>>382574063
Not sure if the person playing it is bad but it looks really slow.
Still getting it day one but yeah.

>>382574220
>>382574414

perfect

>>382574564
>This issue transcends that.
The issue is entirely in your mind you fucking retard.

>>382574580
Is anyone as disgusted by anything as /v/ is?

>>382574063
>those gay ass map icons

they should be thankful i'm giving them money for this

>>382574580
Optimism all around.

>>382574794
he is fucking baiting you just stop

>>382571259
>It's a remake of a game that the fans already remade

Why is it Nintendo's fault that a fan remade one of their own games before they did?

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There's no topping the original. Shoehorning in some melee combat gimmick isn't going to string along an otherwise linear game with virtually no underlying plot. We're just going to end up with another Other M.

And AMR2 is garbage. It's like someone scaled up all the background tiles from Zero Mission and ran it through Game Maker. Metroid II's atmosphere just doesn't sit well with setpieces from ZM.

>>382573937
>Can we have a single thread about this game anywhere on the entire Internet that doesn't bring up AM2R?

No. AM2R's shills are hiding in every pocket of gaming message boards. The shilling is even worse over at GameFAQs.

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>>382571592
>>getting excited for a metroid game not made by retro studios or nintendo but instead by an unproven eropean dev
1. MS are just code monkeys. they are not designing the game
2. pic related is what your precious original Prime 1 team is doing

>>382575189
I hate how AM2R fucked up the original's best moment.

>>382571014
I really hate faggots that come here once a month and ask why we aren't talking about relatively old news.

>>382571014

because it looks like shit. it could have been beautiful pixel art, but they chose 3d shit.

>>382575425
don't know much about that game but i bet microsoft are at fault in some level

>>382571014
I'm definitely going to buy it.
>>382575358
I don't get it. AM2R is free, everyone can play it.

>>382571014
Some random neckbeard was able to create a remake before Nintendo themselves did, so a large part of the novelty is already gone. I'll still be getting this game day 1, but Nintendo is really, really slow on delivering what fans actually want . Better late than never, but they should have remade Metroid 2 like 7-10 years ago.

Why is the Metroid fanbase so fucking entitled?

I like that they are going to add modern gaming elements, like QTEs. Really was one of the thing's missing from Metroid.

>>382574063
2D Metroid always looked good.

>>382575904
>I don't know what a QTE is

>>382575773
Before that they made Arkham Origins: Blackgate, also a pretty awful game.

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Because Sakamoto is making it and he's going to retcon the story, that's the only reason why this game was made (you'll see)

We are excited you mongoloid. Lurk more.

>>382573056
>He only attached his name to the credits in the same way that Inafune attached his name to Megaman for instant stardom

Sakamoto's name is actually in Every 2D Metroid game (Except Metroid 2) as Director.

Inafune is also properly credited in his games too as an artist.

>>382573683
It might have been a PR stunt, but shutting it down on Metroid's anniversary and having that be the ONLY thing you do to acknowledge 30 years of Metroid wasn't a good move.

I wonder if the AM2R fans opposed to this game are the majority or just a loud minority.

>>382576556
Literally everyone and everything outside of /v/ is excited for the game

>>382572034
>>382572160
Lords is of Shadow 1 was good and Mirror of Fate was mediocre. LoS2 was the only shitty one. The footage shown of Samus Returns looks good from a gameplay perspective.

>>382576686
Even a lot of people on /v/ are excited, myself included. It's just that the shitposters drown out the more rational people.

>>382576556
is just shitposting fuel. they probably don't even care

>>382575468
The part where a bunch of baby metroid suddenly appear on the counter?

>>382575773
>Mercury Steam under Nintendo's supervision
>"MS is gonna fuck this up!"
>Prime team published by Microsoft
>"Microsoft fucked it up!"
kys yourself

>>382575189
I'm excited for Samus Returns but in truth if we would have gotten Metroid Dread's announcement instead of Samus Returns and got Samus Returns in like 2019, I wouldn't haven even gave a damn about Samus Returns because I don't care about remakes. the only reason I'm excited about the game because it's been 13 years since a 2D Metroid game and because of Sakamoto talking about the potential it gives the 2D Metroid franchise and because he hinted at Metroid 5 and I really want that game.

>>382575776
>AM2R is free
>People never advertise their work for e-cred

YouTube videos are also free, but that doesn't stop e-celeb attention whores for shilling themselves all over 4chan.

>>382577256
*have

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>>382571014
I'm excited, gives me a reason to dust off my 3DS.

>>382575425
Weren't Inafune and Comcept involved in this? Also I thought Armature only had people who worked on MP3, not 1 or 2?

>>382577347
I don't think I've ever heard someone use the word "shill" and say anything that should be taken seriously.

>>382577051
i just replied to that post man, i'm not the poster it was quoting

>>382577256
same here.

i think samus returns looks great, but i have reservations. i'm still buying it day one (special edition included) just so i can tell nintendo with my money that i want more metroid games.

Nintendo have a tendency of taking mediocre devs and getting them to make gold. They're like the Tom Brady of video games. Look at what happened to Rare after they left Nintendo. Look at Silicon Knights. Look at the former Retro devs. Although I can't explain Platinum/Star Fox. But regardless I am not too worried about Mercury Steam.

>>382578070
Star Fox Zero was Miyamoto's fault

>>382577256
I don't mind remakes when the original is ancient and wasn't very good to begin with. Plus with the new mechanics and guaranteed changes to the map it's going to feel like a new game anyway.

>>382578461
It wouldn't surprise me. When that man is good he's very good, but when he's bad he is the destroyer of games.

>>382571014
>Metroid with cinematic takedowns
Nah

>>382576849
Yeah. In the original Metroid II it was a legitimately shocking moment, but in AM2R if you look at the pause screen it already lists the 9 remaining Metroids so it's no shock when they pop up.

>>382578461
Like how Other M was Sakamoto's fault? Although he at least seems to have learned his lesson. Miyamoto seems too stubborn to change.

>>382577598
Armature was founded by the director and lead artist of Prime 1. They may have more people that were involve with it.

>>382571592
>getting excited for a metroid game not made by retro studios

You probably aren't old enough to remember but Retro Studios literally didn't have any games released before they made Metroid Prime. They were a literal who Texan studio making a Japanese 2D game into a first-person shooter, which was a way, way bigger red flag at the time. Luckily the game turned out amazing but at the time people didn't have any reason to believe it would.

>>382578696
Miyamoto is the one who forced the awkward control scheme. He's the guy who says they won't make a new F-Zero until they figure out how to gimmick it up.

>>382574762
The person playing is bad. Their whole stream of it, the person obviously had not fucking idea what they were doing.

>>382571014
i wanted it on the switch

>>382578940
yeah fake gamer girls amirite

Is there any proof the game is sub-30fps? I keep seeing people say that but I haven't officially heard what the fps is one way or another.

>>382571014
Remake and Metroid is niche.

It looks like garbage.

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>>382574063
>that shitty map
>that stupid counter attack
why

>>382579235
>Is there any proof the game is sub-30fps?
Nope. shitposters are trying their hardest to shit on this game

>>382571916
>He's directed all the 2D Metroids so far
Bzzt, wrong.

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just let this game die already
nothing will ever top Metroid Prime/Fusion, even if Retro comes back

>>382579582
whats wrong with the map?

>>382579582
Because Sakamoto wants to turn Metroid into an anime series.

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>>382579776
>Fusion
>not Super

>>382571014
We are, did you miss all the threads?

>>382579776
Zero Mission topped them both

>>382579965
yeah of course Super was the best title, but Fusion was the last good 2D one imo

>>382580096
Super > Prime > Fusion > ZM

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>>382580173

>>382579776
>>382580096
Fusion and Zero Mission are fucking garbage.

>>382579159
where did it being a girl playing at all come up in my post
if it was a guy I'd of said the same fucking thing.

stop shitposting

>>382579683
All except Meroid II.
Bzzt, gee nice gotcha moment there, anon

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>People saying that Fusion and Super are 10/10 games

>>382580173
>>382580345
(You)

>>382580526
Yeah, Super is easily 12/10

>>382580526
Super's easily a 10/10.
Fusion's probably 8/10.

>>382571014
Is Dobson still being a faggot about this game?

>>382580385
Bzzt, still wrong. Satoru Okada directed the original Metroid. Sakamoto was a character artist.

The old 2D Metroids were good because Hiroji Kiyotake, Makoto Kano, Satoru Okada, and Gunpei Yokoi were all there keeping Sakamoto under control. Sakamoto is the only one left of those still at Nintendo, and every Metroid he works on unchecked is awful.

>>382580526
Super's a 7/10, so is Fusion.

>>382580741
Dobson is a faggot about everything anyway

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>>382580614
>>382580696
Damn, meant to say Fusion and ZM. Fusion is a 6/10 and ZM I'd probably give a 7/10.

>>382580741
what's he saying?

>>382574762

People are bad but it doesn't look any slower than other 2d metroids, go back to playing them. They're not megaman zero or some shit, samus had always clunky movement specially on super metroid.

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>>382580772

>>382580845
I know, but I mean more so than usual. Especially when he took a shit on Prime 4 that fucking fat furcunt.

>>382580940
Well, you're right that I'm not baiting, I guess.

>>382580875
Let's just say if this remake had a dick he would suck it dry and guzzle its cum while slutshaming Metroid Prime 4.

>>382574691
Yes. I defend the game, not the creator.

>>382574794
Funny, since we're talking about the bullshit that is IP law.

>>382580764
>The old 2D Metroids were good because Hiroji Kiyotake, Makoto Kano, Satoru Okada, and Gunpei Yokoi were all there keeping Sakamoto under control. Sakamoto is the only one left of those still at Nintendo, and every Metroid he works on unchecked is awful.
Hiroji Kiyotake and Gunpei Yokoi only have major credits for the first two Metroid games - the first of which is a sluggish slog of a game with the world's most repetitive level design, and the latter of which is more navigable but still clunky in a pretty real way.

Kano is the only one of those men who is credited among the higher-ups in Super Metroid, which was far-and-away a major improvement over its predecessors. I guess if you're one of those dipshits who sincerely believes that Metroid is a better game than Zero Mission BECAUSE it's a tedious mess, then you'd be right, but otherwise I'm not convinced.

Most of /v/ were born 13 years ago.

>>382581824
>Metroid was 2hard4me: the post
Good to know.

>>382582150
>it's hard therefore it's good
hate this meme desu

>>382580764
Yes, the only 2D Metroid Sakamoto doesn't have any credit on is Metroid II. He's been director on everything else and was designer on the original.

I'm not even sure how you can discredit or downplay Sakamoto. All five of them created Metroid, but as the series went on, starting from Super Metroid, Sakamoto took the reigns. The rest of them had little to no involvement in SM on except for Kano, whose last was SM.

>>382580856
Fusion is a 9, Zero Mission an 8.

>>382582374
I love Fusion but I'm still not sure I'd put it that high.

>>382582150
Metroid's not hard and you're an idiot. The game's fucking boring. Navigating the same challenge repeatedly is boring. The jumping and shooting are as barebones and jumping and shooting can possibly be in a video game, with only the minor kinaesthetic benefits of things like the gun kicking back when you shoot and enemies flashing and freezing when they're hit. Other (harder) games in that same generation would later take the concept of an open, explorable platformer with upgrades and do it better.

>>382582150
It's not hard at all though. It's just not very good. Metroid games have never been difficult.

>>382582294
Metroid was designed for advanced players. It's not the game's fault you're a casual bitch.

>>382582304
Sakamoto was a character artist for Metroid, that's all.

>All five of them created Metroid
Wrong. Kiyotake created Samus and Kano created the universe. Kano and Kiyotake have more authority in saying what Metroid is or should be than Sakamoto ever could.

>>382582464
I would. It's the second best 2D Metroid behind Super.

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>>382582374
>Fusion anything above a 7

Tiny maps, you're forced by the game out of areas, the story is utterly retarded, and the thing people cream their little undies about, the SA-X chasing you sections, only appear twice and they're 5 seconds long. It's a weak Metroid game, the only thing it has going for it are the stellar boss fights.

>>382571014

It's just a remake

and

the fan game looked better

>>382571259
>And if you think for one second he's learned his lesson from Other M, then congrats for falling into the oldest marketing trick in the book.

I mean, this game doesn't look anything like Other M at all

>zero dialogue (though apparently there's a text monologue from Samus at the beginning as usual)
>actual metroid level design
>traditional health pick ups instead of other m's shitty focus mechanic
>yamamoto and hamano are doing the soundtrack so it won't be generic anime music like in OM

It's literally just a classic 2D Metroid game done in a 2.5d graphical style and some new shit in it like melee counter. It doesn't look anything like Other M besides maybe some of the flashy animations.

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>>382572786
Yeah, I was old enough to actually play metroid 2 on GBA and it was so long ago I only vaguely remember it, I remember it having the ice beam and spiderball early on and having a really confusing amd samey map. Granted, I was also like 7 at the time?

Either way, this is a reimagining of an almost 30 year old game, it is for all intents and purposes a new game in the same way zero mission was a new game. Plus, even if it was just a remake woth nothing new, it still looks FUN.

>>382582576
Maps are decent size and don't have tons of wasted space like Super. They also have excellent level design. The game has the best bosses in the series and the story is fine. It's not as good a game as Super but it's better than the other 2D ones.

>>382582490
>Other (harder) games in that same generation would later take the concept of an open, explorable platformer with upgrades and do it better.
The keyword there is "later." There was nothing else like Metroid in 1986. Later games had the advantages of more advanced memory management controllers. Don't criticize old video games if you are unable to understand the context of the era they were released in.

>>382582492
It's a hell of a lot more difficult than Super Metroid. Metroid fans were beating Super Metroid over weekend rentals, whereas Metroid was a game people obsessed over for months. Super found its way into bargain bins months after release because of how disappointing it was to fans.

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>>382582672
It's literally Other M Samus.

>>382571014
more free 3ds games, i am excited

>>382582801
this.

I'll even defend the story. Yes the navigation rooms and monologues droned on, but the twists were brilliantly executed and played perfectly into the gameplay.

>>382573691
That is actually a valid complaint! I personally like it, but I can definitely see why people would dislike the pseudo-3D style

>>382582549
Kiyotake was a character artist for Metroid, that's all.

>>382582887
Okay? I'm talking about actual gameplay here.

I'll be more excited once i get a special edition securely pre-ordered.

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>>382571259
>I'm cautiously optimistic.
This

Best case scenario this game will make Sakamoto win me over again and show he actually understood why people didn't like Other M and he will use the success of this to use the same engine to make a proper new Metroid.

Worst case he hasn't learned shit and will double down on why WE were wrong about Other M and will use this game to make us understand.

>>382583245
Sakamoto admitted he fucked up with Other M and that he'd tone down future instalments.

>>382582576
The Sax appearing so often is exactly what makes it good.
Having an actual AI chasing you would make fusion some retarded trash game like alien isolation where it's not even scary and just becomes tedious running away.
Fusions linearity makes it perfect where there's always a new thing happening that never overstays it's welcome.

>>382583430
Does he really UNDERSTAND why it was disliked or has he just started to resent the fanbase.

>>382582872
>Don't criticize old video games if you are unable to understand the context of the era they were released in.
Actually, I will, because it's not a fun fucking game and I'm not going to pretend to be a retard who doesn't know better just so I can glean some vague enjoyment out of it. You're welcome to respect a shit game all you like because of the influence it had on not-shit games, but The Legend of Zelda made a much stronger effort toward having an engaging world to explore despite coming out half a year earlier. Miyamoto's team clearly had a much better of what they were doing than Yokoi's.

>>382583503
No. The interview doesn't contain any admission of fault or convey any lesson learned. Basically he just says "I made what I wanted, oh well."

http://www.strawpoll.me/13193821/

>>382583095
The fact that he's still shoving crying baby waifu Samus in the games means that he's still attached to that version of Samus and the rest of the game will suffer under that delusion.

>>382582872
>>382583850
If NA were getting the steelbook I'd get the special edition but since we aren't I'm just doing regular.

>>382582872
>Don't criticize old video games if you are unable to understand the context of the era they were released in.

Why not? I mean, I get it, I guess. I respect the shit out of SMB1, for example, for what it did but it's still not a super great game.

>>382583951
Zero Suit was in before crying baby waifu Samus was a thing, shitposter-kun.

>>382583951
she doesn't have the Other M heels though. that could be any other iteration of ZSS

>>382584027
Actually that's wrong. SMB1 still holds up and is a well designed and enjoyable game. Metroid is not.

Everybody who got to play it said it was amazing and they wish they were able to play more than the 20 minutes they were given.

>>382584147
the resolution is so small and the youtube artifacting so great it's impossible to tell.

>>382583245
other m would've been 100% better if adam was a woman

>>382584082
Please open you eyes and look at the image before you say something retarded. It's the Other M suit, complete with giant wedge heels. We are very obviously playing as the Samus fr.om Other M.

>>382584412
I don't see heels. Also Smash version had heels and wasn't a crybaby.

>>382584412
Those aren't Other M heels, sorry for your retardation.

>>382584248
I'm excited for the game but a 20 minute demo is definitely not enough to gauge if it's a good metroid game. It's good to know that the moment to moment action is fun but 20 minutes can't possibly tell us if the map design is good, which is definitely more important.

>>382584412
No we're playing as Samus from Metroid II also known as Samus also also known as just Samus from the Metroid series of video games

>>382583530
Metroid is an incredibly fun game. You think it isn't fun because it actually punishes mistakes, completely missing the point of the game. It's a game about thoughtful movement and making smart choices. It doesn't coddle you like Super Metroid does.

>>382584027
Because it isn't a fair comparison. You can't properly compare Pac-Man for the Atari 2600 to something like Pitfall! if you don't understand context. Pac-Man is consistently considered terrible, but its development was incredibly rushed and had a very limited amount of memory to work with. It's actually a very impressive game when you understand the conditions that lead to its existence. Likewise, Metroid is an incredibly impressive game when you understand the limitations it had to work with. Limitations that were overcome by later NES games with more advanced memory management chips. Something like SMB3 isn't possible with the MMC1 chip Metroid uses.

>>382584150
>SMB1 still holds up and is a well designed and enjoyable game.
So is Metroid. It's still incredibly satisfying to play, you just need to stop playing it like a fucking idiot.

>>382579582
honestly the counter attack thing looks awful. It seems like it's totally gonna change the pace of combat compared to other 2d metroids.

Also it's too bright. Would've been cooler with pixel art. Couldn't Nintendo take a hint from the following around am2r? That game was great.

>Mercury Steam
>Shitty ass 3DS
>Sakamoto is still involved

That's why nobody is excited.

>>382584990
>It's a game about thoughtful movement and making smart choices.
>Super Metroid is not
lmao you really don't know what you're talking about

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>yfw if they ever remade Super Metroid, Samus's under-armor outfit would be replaced with the Zero Suit

>>382571014
I was hoping for something that shook things up and took the series in a fresher direction than a remake with a worrying parry mechanic. I don't even mean the story, since I don't care that much about Samus as a character.

I'm still moderately looking forward to it.

>>382584514
Are you blind? They're blatantly obvious.

>>382585186
What would be wrong with that?

>>382584990
>hurr you're playing it wrong
I've played the game several times over the years. It doesn't matter how you play it, it's not a good game. Any enjoyment came from the novelty of exploring a large alien world for the first time (on NES at least). Once that novelty disappeared the game lost any charm. I still play it occasionally but it's for nostalgia purposes only.

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>>382584027
>Super Mario Bros.
>not a great game

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>>382585418
>I was hoping for something that shook things up and took the series in a fresher direction

>>382586071
>Fusion, except again
>fresh direction

>>382586217
Other M played nothing like Fusion.

>>382586071
Quality and originality aren't mutually exclusive, if that's what you're trying to imply.

>>382586217
I don't remember fusion being a crappy ninja gaiden

>>382586714
Yea, it was a crappy Metroid game.

>>382586714
Yeah it was a crappy "Metroid"
Doesn't even deserve to belong in the series

>>382585563
It's incredibly shit and vastly inferior to her Super undies.

>hear about AM2Rfags boycotting Samus Returns
>search "boycott Samus Returns" on twitter
>literally the only results are people saying not to boycott Samus Returns

Is it safe to say that the AM2Rfags who claim to be against Samus Returns are so insignificant that it won't matter at all?

>>382586217
>>382586375
>>382586714

It had the same story

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>metroid zero mission came out 13 years ago

>>382587641
>people waste whole kbs of precious 4chan bandwith to post shit like this

>>382587109

>A tightskin suit is inferior to a dark blue generic bikini

ok lmao

>>382587792
>mediocre Metroid game

>>382587989
Yes, thanks for confirming that fact.

>>382588053
good joke

>>382588053
nah

>>382588169
>>382588170
>my favorite part of Metroid games is literally being told where to go

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>>382588419
It's not even my favorite, it's just far from mediocre. I bet you think that everything that isn't a 10/10 is mediocre.

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As entertaining as it was at the time, I really wish TORtanic had never happened.

Any reasonable discussion, whether it be about the negative or the positive, just slides down the slope into extremities where the game either is not allowed to have any flaws or is shitposted to oblivion by bystanders wanting a game to fail on the market.

>>382588419
it isn't as good as super metroid, but it's still a really good game, and better than metroid fusion.

>>382572034
AM2R fucking sucked anyways, this version is at least official, and adds some new stuff to the table.

>>382571014
I am excited and glad we are not forced to eat that shitty Prime 4 if we want to support metroid because we got a real game this time.

>>382571014
fucking falseflagging faggots on /v/ are not a meaningful demographic. Metroid fans are excited for this.

>>382580526
I'd say both of them are 8/10 at best. Maridia was mistake and Fusion had way too much dialogue.

>>382589708
>le Prime games are not real Metroid games meme
shoo shoo, shitposter

As much as I like AM2R, I wish it was never made because then this game would have almost zero shitposting surrounding it and everyone would be beyond hyped.

>>382589984
Fucking this. We can't have good Metroid threads because there is always shitflinging about AM2R

>>382589983
Enjoy your shitty fake Metroid games anon. Glad we can both enjoy what we want this time.

>>382590524
>shitty fake Metroid games anon
Are you talking about AM2R?

>>382580345
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say (You) like 3d sonic titles. Right?

>>382571014
AM2R was released a year ago you dumb shit.

>>382589984
>>382590423

still much better than the other m-federation force era . good discussion still outweighs the shit flinging and it's fairly obvious that the posts that are "mad" about am2r are just bait

you think this is bad go and browse the horizon zero dawn threads

>>382574063
suit looks more feminine with every game

>>382577598
Comcept is literally an "idea guy" company. They come up with an idea and then pass it off to a developer. They also don't keep tabs on it from there which is probably why MNo9 and reCore turned out to be as mediocre as they were. That or they're just really poor at supervision/communication or have poor judgement when it comes to picking developers for their projects. It would make sense though if you consider the second KS Inafune launched for that NOT Mega Man Legends game. The reason that was launched so soon after the MNo9 ks ended and well before the actual game was even out the door is because ideas are all they do. As soon as they finish one idea, they ship it out the door to a dev and then move on to the next idea, otherwise they're basically sitting on their asses twiddling their thumbs.

Kinda shows a bad pattern for them as a company. The best idea in the world can turn to shit fast if it's not managed properly and so far, that's what has happened to every game Comcept has come up with. It certainly doesn't make me trust any of their projects much.

>>382590654
no he's talking about bad halo reskins from retro.

>>382580526
Super is a 9.5 because of Maridia and "Where the hell do I go now" syndrome.
Fusion was a bit too scripted and linear 9/10
ZM is pretty much perfect.

>>382590654
AM2R is a fan game anon, I'm talking about Primeturds

>>382591067
The hips are really accentuated on the Power Suit. Not sure that I like it.

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>>382591067
you say that likes its a bad thing

>>382575425
You mean one of the best adventure titles in recent memory?

test

>>382582576
(You)

t. Never played Fusion

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>>382591171
>>382591221
>>382590524

>>382591171
I know this is terrible bait but how is Metroid Prime anything like Halo? It's a first-person game with a sci-fi aesthetic but the similarities end there.

>>382591547
Maybe post an argument next time.

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>>382591729
Why would I argue with bait? We both know that Prime isn't Halo. If it was, then Super would Contra

>>382591949
would be*

>>382588419
There's a guided path in zero mission, but the game is actually deliberately structured to let you deviate heavily from it.

>>382591317
>fast travel
How fucking casual can they get? I already thought they were pushing it with the sobar that you get at the start of the game, hopefully the game won't force them in any way.

>>382591067
Thats the suit you start with.You eventually get another.

>>382589225
I love Zero Mission but it's too short and more importantly too easy to be better than Fusion.

>>382591061
w-what's going on there? what reason do they have to shitfling about their brand new franchise?

>>382593005
>too short

Which makes it the best one in the series to replay.

I unironically want to know how the amiibos are going to work on this game.

Also it's fucking useless to get a deluxe/special edition without them.

>>382592463
Explain how having fast travel is a bad thing.

>spaniards making Castlevania
>spaniards now making Metroid
So now Spain owns metroidvania?

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>>382593005
>hard mode
>alternative starting rout to fight Ridley first
>item collection time trials

>>382593104
They'll probably do something very simple and unnecessary like refill your health/ammo once per day.

>>382593005
At least it had sequence breaking.

>>382593141
Exploring what you missed with new items in your arsenal is a part of what makes metroid backtracking fun for me.

>take advantage of the 60% bonus credit at FUCKING GAMESTOP
>preorder Samus Returns from them
>they ring me up for the special edition without actually checking

I'm not really mad, I suppose, it's just another $10, but is that soundtrack CD actually going to have anything worthwhile on it? I'm doubting that.

>>382593397
Sure, of course. It sounds like it's not a problem for you then

>>382593397
You're still free to do that, fast travel will just speed up that process if you want to use it. The only bad thing about fast travel is that it allows the designers to be lazy with the map layout (since you no longer have to design an interconnected world), although since this is a Metroid 2 remake, fast travel makes more sense since the layout of the original game was essentially a very long, linear tunnel. It's better than how AM2R implemented backtracking, that game just had those warp pipes that connected random areas and didn't add any other shortcuts that made traversing SR388 smoother.

>>382593180
>Spaniards destroy Castlevania
>Spaniards now destroy Metroid

>>382591215
I felt like Zero Mission was a bit too guided, I liked how Super let you figure things out with the abilities you had.

>>382594396
Spaniards saved Castlevania before killing it. Maybe they'll do the same with Metroid. Watch Samus Returns be great and then they get the go-ahead to make Dread and it's worse than Other M.

>>382591215
>incredibly hand-holdy
>even easier than Fusion
>awful tacked on post-mother brain section with the worst bosses in the series

I absolutely don't understand why anyone could think ZM is even remotely on par with Super. In my opinion it's worse than Fusion since it doesn't even have good bosses and the sneaking section it's incredibly lazily designed. It's not total shit or anything but I really don't understand how anyone could put it above a 7/10.

>>382591590
It's just shitposting. Ever notice how when someone points out the differences between Prime and Halo they mysteriously don't respond and go away

>>382594949
>Metroid Dread directed by Enric Alvarez

>>382595273
I agree with on everything but the sneaking part. I thought it was very well done and a nice surprise.

>>382594085
Not that anon, but fast travel is for open world, and diablo style grind/loot fests.

>>382595602
And games with tedious backtracking.

because it's a remake, and it's a remake of a game that recently god a fanmade remake that is definitely going to be better than the official one

>>382580904
I played AM2R just before. It's definitely the game itself that's the problem.

30 FPS was a mistake.

>>382596062
>I played AM2R just before

Before what? Playing Samus Returns? How did you do that?

>>382571014
I always feared that transitioning Metroid to 2.5D would ruin the physics and "feel" of the 2D games, or that they would do some dumb shit like the twin stick pinwheel-arm free aim system that's in every indie "metroidvania" these days.

After watching the E3 footage, I'm pleasantly surprised. It looks like they adapted Zero Mission's jumps perfectly, and the fact that you have to stop to free aim means that regular diagonal aiming still has a reason to exist. I hope it ends up being good.

>>382594085
Yeah, that's kinda what I meant. I hope the map layout will be well designed even without fast travel, but its presence worries me that they'll get lazy, and playing the game without it will be frustrating instead of fun like in Super.

>>382596545
>After watching the E3 footage
I really loved the girl playing the game.

Everytime she tell people that these new features (for filthy casuals) and you are not forced to do them to beat the game

>>382579159
>implying this isn't a thing
>implying he was even implicating the player was a fake girl gamer

>>382592463
AM2R had fast travel.

>>382596784
She's honestly one of their better players and/or commentators

My biggest worry is that Samus is controlled with the 3DS's circlepad rather than the d-pad. That thing is probably the worst controller input Nintendo has ever put on one of their consoles. Even if the game's physics are perfectly fine, I imagine the Circlepad it will make Samus incredibly sluggish to control.

>>382595720
They could've changed the design so there isn't backtracking, kept it the same, or do the casual fast travel shit like everyone else is doing.I think they chose the worse of those 3

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I really hope SR expands on those smaller areas that only had 1-2 Metroids in the original game.

>>382597098
Yeah how thoughtless of them to satisfy both sides

>>382597098
We don't actually know how excessive the backtracking is in Samus Returns. It could be the case that backtracking is completely unnecessary since the suit expansions that look like they require the space jump may be obtainable with bomb-jumping or wall-jumping. In this case, fast travel would only need to be used by novice players who can't pull off those techniques.

Do you think Samus Returns has the potential to introduce new players to the Metroid series as a good starting point?

>>382598340
ZM is incredibly easy and guides the player like an attendant mother, if someone had NEVER played a Metroid that will still probably be the go-to.

>>382597225
That's not area four.

>>382598340
Every Metroid game is designed as an entry point to the series (except maybe Prime 2). Any backstory that is required is usually briefly explained at the start of the game.

>>382597305
Fuck off casual shill

>>382598010
Boy, it sure will be a slog trekking back up to Area 1 from Area 6.

>>382600063
>optional fast travel mechanic to save time
>anyone who likes that is a casual shill

How about you eat shit? If you don't like it, don't use it. If you want to play a game by walking everywhere instead of quickly zipping back to where you want to be, you can do that. There's nothing stopping you. I don't know who you think you are to start calling people casuals because they don't want to spend an extra 10 minutes going back somewhere they've already been, but you're wrong as fuck. It's a convenience, and there's nothing remotely challenging about walking.

And no, before you accuse me of it, I'm not the same person you responded to.

>>382600942
Man, you are fucking retarded

>>382600753
Backtracking in metroidvanias is actually good, since with a new ability, you can obtain items or secret areas you were unable to do it before.

>>382601090
I don't disagree with you, I would probably walk back to a lot of places and get things on the way, but when I'm doing my 100% roundup at the end of the game I'm not going to want to go all the way back to the start on foot, and Metroid 2's map design does not lend itself to neatly interconnected areas so the fast travel makes total sense

>>382600753
>I don't know who you think you are to start calling people casuals
God i stopped reading your comment when i got to "if u don't like don't do lol its an easy solution just take the cock my dude", but decided i maybe should read more.Then i got to quote above.Your a fucking faggot.

Fast Travel is one of the greatest conveniences SotN added to the genre and if you think it's casual you're a fucking moron.
This isn't something like Skyrim where you can travel to anywhere from anywhere, these are single points in each major area that let you jump between them with ease. It's a huge QoL feature.

>>382580741

Dobson is always being a faggot

>>382601456
>Fast Travel is one of the greatest conveniences SotN
>fast travel
Casual garbage
>SotN
Also casual garbage

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>>382601430
You don't even know English. What makes you think you're qualified to talk down to anyone?

>>382601608
And this is how I know you have shit taste.

>>382601608
Shitposting is against the rules.

>>382601619
>E

>>382601608
If you're serious then legit kys my man.

>>382601456
I don't care wether it is "casual garbage" or whatever, I think fast travel in an exploration based game takes away from the atmosphere for the sake of convenience.

Same reason pre-lord vessel DaS is better than post-lord vessel.

>>382601693
>>382601702
Casltevania 1, and 3 are the only good ones

>>382601849
That only makes sense if you can fast travel to areas you haven't been to yet, which is not the case here at all

>>382601307
This, pretty much. Any other Metroid is reasonably well interconnected to make traveling about in the late game pretty simple and quick, except for 2. 2 wasn't designed for easy backtracking because it's mostly linear vertical climbs and hallways. This is fine in the context of the original game since absolutely nothing in the game requires full backtracking beyond leaving the zone you're in. Most likely, the remake will add reasons to backtrack and items that require late game abilities, so being able to snap your way from the tower area to the surface or area 1 without a long, boring slog back up is appreciated. I'm hopeful they'll add some more natural shortcuts in too.

>>382602003
I am not saying that fast travel is replacing exploration. I am saying it takes away from the atmosphere. It is not a huge detriment, but I think a game without fast travel feels more immersive than a game with the feature.

>>382601456
People seem to think that backtracking defines Metroid when that is completely untrue. Usually, you can complete Metroid games with minimal backtracking due to new shortcuts being opened up as you gain new powerups. And even if you want to 100% the game, expansions are either placed so that you can pick them up as you go along or you can clean-up the ones that require additional upgrades to reach in on smooth trip. Fast travel allows the map designers to be lazy, since they're no longer required to put much thought into how different areas connect with one another. It doesn't necessarily make the game much worse, but it's a cop-out. Having said that, fast travel in a Metroid II remake isn't the end of the world seeing how the original game was structured. I just hope that future Metroid games don't have lazy map design just because fast-travel exists.

>>382602321
Maybe? It at least makes thematic sense to be included, even in Dark Souls.

>>382602457
Sure, it makes thematic sense in many games, but I like the feeling of getting "lost" in those games. If there was a quick way out like that, comitting to the decision to go into this or that area never seems that consequential.

>>382572015
Still not new, also it got a lot of threads.
Quit living under a rock.

>Fusion
>Better than ZM

You use to be cool Metroid threads.

>>382600063
fucking normies amirite

>>382603302
It baffles me too. Which isn't even to say that Fusion is all that great, but it's still better than ZM.

>>382604015
bitch he just said the opposite

>>382571014
Because AM2R was better

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>>382604189
Well now I feel silly. Still though, Fusion is better.

>>382604378
fusion is only better in atmosphere and arguably bosses, zero mission has far better map design

>>382604461
ZM is also far, far more hand holdy and has the shit ZS section, which unlike the rest of the game very poor map design.

>>382604461
while we agree on this one, zero mission for me it's a better game because the atmosphere and bosses are better

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>>382604597
How could anyone think that ZM has better atmosphere or bosses than Fusion? Seriously, explain your reasoning.

>>382604737
I just realized I type this shit backwards
Now I'm going to leave the thread in shame and panic

>>382604580
>ZM is also far, far more hand holdy

Only like 3 of the Chozo Statues are mandatory and there's sequence breaks all over the place.

Meanwhile Fusion has Adam and will flat out lock Sectors it doesn't want you in at the moment.

>>382604580
Fusion is just as handholdy. ZM gives you a target zone to go to for your next upgrade, but you can actually skip some upgrades and some indicators of where to go next. It's very open. Fusion funnels you directly to your next area, and while each sector is a bit open, there are far less options for getting through them.

I would also argue that aside from not being interconnected enough, the entire pirate mothership and chozo ruins section is designed just fine.

>>382605032
>3
One is mandatory. That's it.

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Why didn't Nintendo switch their priorities and develop/release Samus Returns before Federation Force?

They killed AM2R for this

Day -10 pirate though.

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>>382605407
>They killed a complete game that is still available for download

>>382605342
They're whole strategy is really quite the thinker

>>382605407
>This morning I saw on Twitter that some people want to boycott M:SR to support AM2R. PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS. If you don't want to buy the game because you can't afford to or it doesn't seem like a game you would enjoy, don't buy it. That's your money, spend it the way you want. But if you're not buying it because of the whole AM2R/Nintendo debacle, that makes the community look bad, like we're upset with them for giving us what we've been asking for for years.
>Sabre230 - AM2R Graphics Artist

>>382605652
>>382606221
It's obvious bait, don't respond.

>>382571014
Because we've all already played another Metroid 2 remake this year.

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>>382606221

>>382587436
absolutely
it's almost entirely just baiting anyway

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>>382577560

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>tfw think am2r is a better 2d metroid than super, zm, and fusion
>still going to buy and enjoy samus returns

>>382608030
I know that feel.

>>382608030
I feel you, but

>better 2d metroid than super

I don't know about that.

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>>382607991

>>382608660
Super has really good atmosphere and some of the music is really good too, but it's floaty as hell and I think the bosses are not that good. AM2R is crispy to control, has great bosses that were added in (Genesis is mediocre), has overall good music, and is atmospheric.

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>>382608030

>>382608738
>>382607991
Cylinders.

Because it isn't 2d, and it isn't "new".

Why does Ninty hate Samus so much?

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>>382609463

>>382609784
1. who makes these comics?
2. why hasn't there been any more? I feel like I've been seeing the same ones recycled for the better part of a decade now.

>>382609857
1. Anonymous made these comics. A bunch of them.
2. There hasn't been any new material to pull from. We got like three out of Other M compared to the dozens we got out of the Prime Trilogy.

>>382571014
>ignoring the daily threads about it

>>382572279
But it's firm. That's bad. At least compared to soft and tender