ok now you fucking tell me how the fuck does the water element

>>382549945
Have you ever been hit by a wave?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5pljvuppzc

>>382549945
>Water destroying whole cities?
>Naah never heard of it, lol water can't harm things, its a liquid

By smacking people really hard. If any of the elements is a little bitch it's wind, it's so lame developers frequently do nonsense like giving it lightning attacks when lightning is clearly fire just to make it suck less.

>>382550121
Name 18 games that do this.

>>382549945
Try getting hit with spray from a fire hose and tell me if you still think that.

>>382549945
How does the light element deal damage? Oh wow, you just shined a flashlight on me!

>>382550193
HoMM

>>382549945
It's bludgeoning damage.

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>>382550121
>lightning is clearly fire

>>382549945

are you fucking retarded? I swear to god i hope you fucking die... serously just stop posting here and die

>>382549945
>water is weak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEQ0uu9XXlc

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let's just agree that fire is the go-to element for any game

>powerful
>DoT
>AoE

>>382550402
Holy shit the ladman did it

>>382549945
Create water all around someone's face - they drown.

>>382550325
>I'll take "what is UV radiation" for $100

>>382549945
High pressure streams of water can cut through most material.

This thread is retarded

ITT fags think that gay ass mages regularly cast natural disasters just to kill a Savage Wolf and Red Slime for 50g and a Magic Fire Ring

The truth is there are only two elements: matter manipulation and energy manipulation. Everything else is either a subset and/or a combination of the two.

>>382551350
>>382551510

>>382551510
this, let's be real
all characters do in videogames when they use the water element is either bubbles or literally throw water on each other

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Yeah there's no way water could sever a limb

>>382549945
Makes fingers and toes wrinkly.

>>382551510
Nigger, did you ever watch Avatar?

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>>382550193
Dota 2

>>382549945
It's really cold water or really hot water.

>>382549945
Basically water deals physical damage with the elemental property of being wet

>>382551643
>Waterjet
>Natural disaster
Feggot

>>382551350
>Waterjets cut through tons of materials
>Needs an abrasive (sand) to cut through anything better than a knife can
Earth masterrace desu

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>>382551510
>>382549945
>gay ass mages
ironic considering turks used water cannon at gay parade

>>382550825
Fire rarely has anything besides pure offensive capabilities though. Usually has attack buffs, and very rarely does it have any healing capability. Meanwhile, water almost always has healing skills along with its attacks. Wind usually has some buffing or maybe debuff abilities, things that aren't always useful but potentially broken. Earth is consistently going to have some kind of defensive barrier. If I had to pick just one and go solo, I'd take whatever gives me the best versatility.

>>382551802

What game where water is a magic element doesn't have a tsunami attack? You must play shitty games I guess.

>>382549945
I always head canoned it as water pressure.

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>>382549945

Water can flow, or it can crash.

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Games with good elemental magic?

>>382550121
Anything that does it right knows to expand beyond the faggy 4 elements and make lightning its own.

>>382550825
Nah it's usually ice that's op because of slowing and freezing effects. If you want damage use a sword.

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>>382549945
>how the fuck does the water element even deal damage?

>>382552462
Magicka
Water just shoves things around unless you turn it into steam or ice

Wizard Wars ruled

>>382552447
You must be shapeless, formless, like water.

>>382552567
>Lucas amiibo
What

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>>382549945

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>>382552567
>It actually managed to cut a bowling ball in half

>>382552567
Any stories on people losing limps while operating one of these things?

>>382549945
It creates an unbalance between the salt and water levels in your body causing you to collapse

>>382552567
now remove the grit

>>382552985
No, of course not, it's just water

There was that guy who got pushed so hard by a water canon that he died when his head hit on the floor

>>382552567
What was with the amiibo?

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>game uses Water and Ice as separate elements

>>382550121
>little bitch
>wind
>I never saw a tornado in my life or movies for that matter

>>382553226
>33F liquid and a 32f solid are the same

couldn't you just make someone's brain fluid drain out their ears or explode their body or something

water seems op desu

>>382553553
its still water regardless if it's in a liquid or solid state

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>>382553226
>water and ice are seperate elements
>ice is only for crowd control
>water is only for healing

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>>382553553
>fahrenheit

>not having a droplet of knowledge about the terrible pull of a riptide

>>382553226
Can you get some more smug anime, this is like the 7th time in two days.

>elements are sets of threes
>Fire/Heat, Ice/Cold and Electricity/Lightning
>Water/Sea, Wind/Sky and Earth/Land
Objectively best form of elements

>>382550081
It should be more physical damage than elemental then

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>>382552261
rekt

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>Light and Dark are elements

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>>382549945
There's a way to experience water damage
Step 1: Fill up bathtub
Step 2: Put head underwater
Step 3: Hold it there as long as you can

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>>382550121

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>>382552474
That's just redundant and you end up with a dozen different elements that are barely different, i.e. lava and fire, ice and water and fog, wind and lightning, wood and earth and stone, etc.

Quality over quantity I say, as far as "natural elements" go 4 is plenty if you give the skills enough diversity. If you want to add more stuff, then add more abstract shit like astral, time, void, life, death,chaos,aether or whatever. Splitting ice and water apart just adds more useless shit to keep track of.

>>382553886
This is stupid.
Elements come from the states of matter.
Air = Gas
Earth = Solid
Water = Liquid
Fire = Plasma

It all comes down to this and removing one or the other is stupid.

>>382553763
Fahrenheit is a better system than celsius. Fahrenheit revolves around a scale of what humans think are hot and cold. Outside 0-100 is legitimately dangerous. Celsius revolves around an arbitrary molecule's behavior at different kinetic energies. It is far less useful to humans than fahrenheit. Kelvin is okay because of its 0, but using the celsius scale for kelvin is a mistake. Instead, using fahrenheit scaling from absolute 0 would make the most scientific sense.

>>382554374
No way fag
Your elemental system is for faglords.

>Fire spell
>500 damage
>Ice spell
>300 damage and a slow
>Lightning spell
>1-700 damage

Defend this

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>>382552778
>>382553139
this is a little bit of a stretch but it might be a play on his mother Hinawa which was already a reference to some type of gun

>>382554374
>Fire = Plasma
Noway lad fire is just really hot gas

>>382554374
This is literally how plato formulated elements in timaeus, and 2500 years of idiots have ignored that. The elementd correspond with states of matter + energy, not literal substances. He talks about how rock can be turned into "water" with heating and how water changes to air and earth. Fire isn't plasma tho, fire is his word for light and heat, which is just energy. Plato did not know about plasma.

>>382554550
So Fahrenheit is based on feelings whereas Celsius is based on fact OK ma'am.

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>>382554550
>water freezes at 0
>water boils at 100
>far less useful to humans

manchild living with mommy plz go

>>382554305
is that real or CG?

>>382554550
Fahrenheit is a better system for reporting the weather.

Celsius is better for other applications.

>>382554879
Celsius is based on arbitrary fact, while fahrenheit is based on objective (whole human race agrees) biological feeling.
If you use celsius willingly in a place where fahrenheit is used, or you militantly fight for celsius anywhere, you are an autist and probably don't have much human emotion. Or you're brainwashed by yuro filth. Remember that all other metric standards are beautiful and pure, besides kelvin/celsius.

>>382554550
>98.7 or whatever is normal body temp in F
nah, Fahrenheit is just as stupid, make 100F or 50F normal human body temperature, using a horse was stupid and arbitrary.

>>382555029
>Risking 1% odds of getting caught stealing from Hitler just to be petty

No way fag.

>video game
>water deals critical damage to rock

>>382555029
It's a random particle. Science doesnt bend for random particles. It seeks generality.
Celsius is the type of system an engineer would design.

>>382555029
>it were 17c outside today, it were bleeding cold mum!
>it were 27c outside today, it were bleeding hot mum!

you see how there are only like 30 relevant degrees in the entire system? it makes it worse for reporting weather, granted better scientifically but much worse for every day use

>>382550760
Yeah but imagine that many tons of fire or lightning swallowing your city

>>382555029
From a practical standpoint, Fahrenheit makes more sense because you can regularly use the full 0-100 spectrum over the course of a year; it reaches 0 in the winter and 100 in the summer, occasionally stretching beyond that. Now look at how often do you look at the weather and see it being even close to 40 C?

>>382555220
>fahrenheit is based on objective (whole human race agrees) biological feeling.
-10 is mildly cold, +10 is mildly warm
-20 is cold, +20 is hot
-30 is fucking cold, +30 is fucking hot

>>382555220
>The whole human Race

But Yanks aren't human.

>>382555394
>>382555185
No one in science uses celsius, everyone uses kelvin. Stop with that.
I'm in science, but im in the superior field of pure math, so i dont dabble in unit filth.

>>382555451
>live in alaska
>never goes above 70
>frequently dip below -20
nah you're just an idiot that's never been outside your state, or you're arguing for F to change depending on location. Either way, idiotic.

>air elemental attacks which at most can tickle your balls
>not just absorbing the damage by breathing in
>having the choice of any element and picking a puny gust of wind

>>382555594
Still has more day-to-day applications and more specificity than Celsius.

>>382555151

it's real you fucking fool

>>382555510
Why not up to a decimal system value?
Oh. Like fahrenheit?
0-20 cold, 80-100 hot. 20-40 chilly, 60-80 warm. 40-60 pretty typical and comfortable unless you are a southern hick.

>>382549945
Water is really, really fucking heavy my dude.

>>382555537
Human enough to maintain your nuclear stockpile bong

>>382550121
true rpgs have lightning as fire+wind elements mixed together

>>382555510
Bro, 10 is plain cold. How does it only just start to be considered cold when you get below that?

nevermind water, how does the wind element do damage? its literally nothing. its air. air coming at you is not going to do anything

>>382555394
>17C
>cold

>>382555594
You are the idiot here. You dont get it at all. If you live in a colder place, yeah. It should say that its colder.
But i would like to introduce you to this:
>>382555510

>>382555834
lightning is water though, it's created from the friction between water particles in clouds

>>382555394
>it were 17c outside today, it were bleeding cold mum!
???

>>382555707
like what? -20 vs -30, boo fucking hoo, both are completely arbitrary made up systems. Meanwhile, knowing the thickness of the lake and whether I can cross into town that day since it's fucking freshwater is far more applicable than muh stupid saltwater brine. Only shitholes and shitskins would ever care about brine freezing temperatures.

>>382555594
"Nuh uh even though most states experience all four seasons similarly, my shitty outlier state is different" Bruh no one gives a fuck about Alaska

>>382555803
>Why not up to a decimal system value?
Because it's just as arbitrary. You only think otherwise because you can go from 0 to 100 to satisfy your autism, but the truth is weather goes below 0 and above 100 all the time depending on where you live. Where I live regularly goes from -25 F to +90 F, so your precious decimal system becomes irrelevant.

>>382556112
>Celsius
>arbitrary
American education everybody.

>>382556272
If you're in a state that doesn't go below 0 F in the winter then you're in a state that doesn't get a proper winter.

>>382556272
>Texas is the same as ND which is the same as Florida which is the same as Maine, only Alaska and Hawaii are different O_o
How to tell that someone has never traveled further than 5 miles outside his house in 1 post

>>382555991
That's silly, by that logic you could argue Fire is just an extension of earth element because you can make it by rubbing two sticks together.

>>382555451
>Fahrenheit makes more sense because you can regularly use the full 0-100 spectrum over the course of a year; it reaches 0 in the winter and 100 in the summer
This is the stupidest fucking thing I have ever heard.

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>>382555394
>17c
>cold

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>>382549998
Wave?

>>382550504
yes, how can you even think otherwise?

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>>382555394
>it were 17c outside today, it were bleeding cold mum!

>>382555905
Never seen a tornado, I take it?
Or been to a very windy place. That shit can throw you off balance.
Or make mageeekz votices or vacuums which would rob you of the ability to breathe....

>>382555394
>17c
>cold
where the hell do you live? tanzania?

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>>382549945

Ever felt the pull of the sea?

It's like a drunk conquistador pulling some native girl into the bushes after being for ages on sea.

>>382552567
Throwing any molecule with enough force and pressure will deal physical damage

>>382555707
>and more specificity than Celsius
So this is the power of burger education

>>382549945
Waters one of the most destructive forces on this earth. Ever seen a canyon? Or a river? Or a Tsunami?

>>382556598
Fire and lightning have specific definitions which do not overlap. Lightning can cause fire via the sudden transfer of energy, but lightning itself is not fire.

>>382554873
>fire is his word for light and heat, which is just energy. Plato did not know about plasma.

so lightning could be plasma with fire representing energy

what would represent super solids though?

>>382555334
erosion and corrosion

>>382549945
Solvency
Osmosis
Heat Capacity
Weight

Whats not to fear?

Acid is better

>Fire
Burns
Deals DoT and additional damage to targets on fire
Clears poison debuffs

>Earth
Crushes / Bludgeons / Shreds
Renders most armor useless
Can render enemis immobile

>Water
Drowns / Pierces
Massive AoEs and environmental damage caused by push-back
Facilitates healing
Silences and displaces

>Wind
Pure displacement and support
Supplements user by dramatically increasing action speed
Removes dangers of ranged attacks by redirection, allowing melee users to approach
Capable of severe environmental damage

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>>382556824
Something like this.

>>382556852
Nigga you try doing that with alcohol, siloxane, or halogen. Actually that sounds fucking awesome.

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Why is water almost always tied to shit like
healing and boring things like that? Water is nothing you want to fuck around with.

Earth > Fire > Wind > Water > Earth
Heart can go suck a dick

>>382557670

Because nearly every procedure done requires running water. In fact, if any place suddenly no longer has running water you could face life in prison for continuing on with any procedure at a Hospital not already in progress depending on the severity of the procedure.

>>382554374
what about quark gluon plasma, technically not the same as plasma

>>382549945
pressure cleaners will slice you like a blade

Water can be shot out fast enough to cause injury
Or just drown a nigga

But most games animate water magic like dropping a bucket of water on enemies.

What if you control the air in people lungs?

>>382555568
why did you choose to be unemployed for your whole life?

There's a theory lightning is set off by particles from space therefore it's space magic.

>Game cites lightning as part of the earth element

guess it

what if a sword made of 1000 degree fire collided with a sword made of minus 1000 degree water?

>>382554702
even better
>lightning damage stuns
or
>lightning drains mana

>>382554702

AMPs and Voltage vary

>>382555510
-10 is mildly warm, +10 is fucking hot
ftfy

>>382558249
>lightning damage stuns
Try doing anything after having a live current run through your body.

>>382554702
literally diablo

>>382556585
Man, you people reach pretty far to force this stale meme.

>>382558439
>he doesn't put 50000 volt through his body everyday to get get immune to shock
its like you want to get caught by the police or stunned by a woman you were about to rape

>>382558141
isn't the earth literally a giant magnet and isn't "grounding" a thing that involves electricity?

>>382556273
Yeah, but its a hell of a lot closer to working than fucking celsius. I'd love to just use integrated kinetic energy units for temperature (joules) because that actually works nicely with metric.
>>382556339
You are actually a brainlet if you think that the qualitative changes in a molecule's behavior at a random pressure at some random height in a random atmosphere happening at specific kinetic energies is a meaningful setting for a system of temperature measurement. Over something based on fucking human intuition.
What is wrong with europeans? Not everything is us being stupid.

>>382555394
>17c
>cold
go back to Africa, nigger

>>382558431
t. Alaskan

>>382549945
>ok now you fucking tell me
>how the fuck does the water element even deal damage?

https://youtu.be/dIYvdAO02-w

>>382550193
Divinity

>>382556460
Im sorry, how is it stupid? Arent we making up numbers? We should make them up so that they are more useful to us. You probably prefer pi to tau.

>>382558160
What if you went fucked off back to Facebook and never returned?

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>>382553226
>water and cold are different elements
>you get ice by combining them

>>382558791
>water freezing in our day-to-day life atmosphere is just a "random" thing
>water boiling in our day-to-day life atmosphere is just a "random" thing
>water which is the source of life and the most necessary thing to a human being is "lol just a random molecule bro, not that important"

>>382554550
>he doesn't know about rankine

>>382555451
>>382554550
>>382555359
>>382555394
Any of you retards considered the fact that assessing outside weather is not the only purpose of measuring temperature?
Like, maybe it could be useful to measure temperature for scientific purposes. Like, in chemical experiments or something. Gee.

>>382552567
I disliked water the most from the 4 elements but this made me change my mind.

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>>382550825
>Always pick Earth
>Most of the time it's just faggy defensive buffs instead of cool prison-style abilities and spells.

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>>382555394
> 27º C
> hot

Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrle0x_DHBM

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>>382559152
>Europeans run around with thermometers constantly measuring the temperature of nearby taps, rivers, the air, and the ocean, shouting out their readings so the local muslim rapists can know exactly how close that water is to boiling or freezing so they can plan accordingly

Now that I think about it, I'll bet you fifty "quid" or whatever that there's a British Royal Thermometering Bureau that trains agents to do just that.

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>>382560440
>europeans are the only ones who use celsius

>>382555394
>17c cold
>27c hot
wat

>>382552272
scorch from tf2????????

>>382552525
> If you want damage use cold metal
> Not the very Pinnacle of destruction to reduce your foes to their most basic molecular structure

Wew fuckin' lad, m80

>>382560440
Sorry cunt but I'm straya.

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>>382550121
>lightning is clearly fire

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>>382560647

>>382550121
Lightning is actually created through friction caused by water and ice particles.

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>Game has no water element
>But there's a weapon that supposedly deals water damage
>The element is ice and lightning

Lightning is actually caused by Zeus therefore it's god elemental.

>>382550121
>hot stuff is always associated with fire

Only where oxygen is present or able to combust.
There are things that can combust without oxygen and aren't even related to fire.

>>382561507
lightning is actually created by God, as are all elements so we should just call them all God's gifts to mankind
\thread

>>382552567
except it isn't utilized as a laser cutter in any game
i always wondered how the fuck do water elementals deal damage in warcraft 3

>>382561937
squirting your face with so much force that you can barely breathe and eventually die of asphyxia

>>382554374
Fire isn't a plasma nor does it represent plasma, it's more energy.

You could have an interesting take on a magic system with more recently discovered states of matter though. Finding what they'd be based on would be a cunt. Sure plasma is as easy as neon, but what do you use for supersolids and superfluids or superglass? Do you split energy into the fundamental forces? What the fuck is gravity?

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>>382562156
>rock golem suffocating

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>>382562607
hmm got me there, also their attack type is apparently piercing

>>382555568
Naa dawg, we use C when we are working with water, F when we are working with organics, and K when we are working with gases

>fire is usually just raw damage and maybe DoT effects
>games never make use of the other properties of fire
>no fire-aspected healing spells to cauterize wounds
>no fire-aspected defensive spells to increase evasion by obscuring vision with intense heat waves and mirages

I wish devs made use of the other properties of elements.

>>382551928
That's mechanized water, that's a different type.

>>382557172
What the fuck are you talking about? You do know that plato was alive before plasma and supersolids were discovered, right?
Also plasma could be aether, which is the weird one. But most people just consider it void.

>>382558048
I'll just go work as a comp sci or wall street sellout after college if times are rough. Remember kiddies, applied math is just the first year of a pure math degree + different words. The idiots in those fields are essentially glorified engineers.

>>382559152
What about carbon? Hydrogen? Oxygen? Water is arbitrary.
Also, state change is totally stochastic and even more damningly a function of pressure. 0 and 100 C are approximate. Stop talking about things you have no education in.

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Yeah haha. And what about fire damage too. Like wtf nigga just rub some aloe on yourself and you're good haha. What a pussy element

>>382559263
Have you even read any of the fucking thread you moron?
>>382562759
Do not speak to me, dirty chemist.
>>382560647
>more people think x, so its right
Nice argument.

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>>382563915
>What about carbon? Hydrogen? Oxygen? Water is arbitrary.

How often does the average person deal with pure hydrogen? Pure carbon?
And nigga I just mentioned that water is the most important thing in your pathetic life, how is that arbitrary?

>0 and 100 C are approximate

Of course they're "approximate", but they're still judged as 0 and 100. What the fuck are you getting at? You want people to use scientific thermometers to bring water to a perfect 99.993743* boil?

ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID OP?

YOU PUT YOUR OPPONENT IN A CUP, AND DROWN THEM