Is it safe to say that Metroid was never dead and we were just

>>382389083
>Is it safe to say that Metroid was never dead and we were just overreacting?
In hindsight, probably yeah.

Federation Force around the anniversary and the AM2R debacle was unfortunate timing and I think the fan reaction around then was understandable, and Federation Force is still trash.

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>>382389083
Yes. And in the nicest way I can say this, everyone hated you for it. At least you've got two games that are almost guaranteed to be good coming.

>>382389083
Yes. It got to the point where Nintendo had to go "see, we're working on it, now shut the fuck up."

>Put out a solid 3D game in 2007, great, everyone is happy
>Put out a shitty attempt at an action game by the ever-incompetent Team Ninja and Sakamoto in 2010, nobody is happy
>Dick around for six years
>Put out a co-op spinoff game that nobody asked for while not giving any definite information on the series, not even a confirmation that it's being worked on
>Finally, nearly 7 years from the shitty action game, reveal that a 2D remake of a previous game is coming out soon and another 3D game has just started production

7 years was plenty of time for them to say something and they didn't, so no, nobody was overreacting

>>382389083
Yes, they were a pain in the ass. Now the same shit is happening with the so called Halo fanbase on /v/ who clearly aren't fans of the series.

>>382389083

No. Never forgive Nintendo and never forget the times they fucked us over.

Nintendo never once ignored Metroid or claimed they hated Metroid like people said. Samus and Metroid-related things kept popping up everywhere in Nintendo properties from 2010 to 2017.

>>382389083
No, don't get too excited, Metroid Prime 4 might be fuckin' terrible.


While it can't compare to the suffering of Metroid fans (especially in light of the upcoming full release of Starfox II) the suffering from Starfox: Zero being such goddamn trash has not left me.

And the shitshow they put on Mother fans shouldn't be forgotten.

Not to mention their constant garbage censorship and original lack of support for the Xeno games.

Artificial scarcity of amiibo, and now the retro-console minis.

Terrible Mario RPGs since Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story.

The whole WiiU generally except for some stand-outs like Splatoon and BotW not being bad.

I'm not going to buy the 3DS game (looks awful visually to me) but that squishy metroid amiibo looks cool.

It's just confirmed dead with westerners developing the 2D game, and the 2D game isn't even 2D anymore.

>>382391981
Fuck off Amiibo babby

>>382389083
The series has been through this kind if hiatus before. Metroidfags are whiny bitches.

>>382392054
Nintendo developing the game, dumbass. MercurySteam is only programming the game. I'm guessing you missed the Day 3 Treehouse stream.

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I've always been embarrassed by the whiny bitches on /v/ regarding Metroid the past few years. I'm convinced these people have now moved onto screaming 'SMASH WHEN'

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>>382389083
It was teetering on the brink for awhile between Other M and FF, but it was never completely dead

>>382392217
Developing and programming are the same thing, anon.

A couple of years ago Miyamoto literally said in a kotaku interview that got copy pasted here that he was very interested in bringing back Metroid. Tanabe explained in detail how he would do a Prime 4 and even hinted his idea in FF.

You need to say your final thoughts for F-zero as a franchise. That's the one where you got at least three Nintendo people saying "why would you want that?"

>>382392393
You're retarded

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>>382392272

>>382391981
>reddit spacing

Metroid is still dead until I see gameplay on MP4

>>382392459
Ok, Mr. "Programmer but not developer," good luck finding job postings in your field

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Play a Metroid with a Zsexy Samus

To be fair, given Other M's hate even beyond the fandom and a combo of FedForce and the AM2R takedown on the 30th anniversary, it's easy to see why Metroid was reaching its death, but this confirmed we were overreacting a good bit. I'm content right now.

>>382391981
KYS you bitchy whining cunt

Has anyone here actually played a MercurySteam game?

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It was just resting. Look at the Chozo. Beautiful plumage.

It's always funny watching people on /v/ who cry about fanbases crying but fail to see the fact that they're far worse.

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>>382389083
What's worth noting is that, even in Metroid's absense, Nintendo still frequently referenced the series in promotional material.

You have those skins in Monster Hunter, the avatars on the Switch's OS, that Japanese n3DS commercial with Kyary Pamyu Pamyu, those UNIQLO t-shirts, etc. Nintendo still acknowledged Metroid as a key brand, even if they haven't made many games for it until recently. Samus was among Nintendo's main mascots from this slide from an investors meeting some years back.

It's definitely a lot more you can say than for something like Kid Icarus.

Metroid just continues to be completely an outlier for nintendo properties. The story, the plot, the gameplay, being an fps. It all makes sense for older demographics that Nintendo gave up to Microsoft and Sony ages ago.

>>382392982
>tfw an entire generation of gen z kids thinks Metroid is an FPS

>>382392668
Shut the fuck up

>>382389083
>Metroid 2 remake by LoS devs
>Will be worse than AM2R
>Retro not on MP4
>Led by Tanabe who was responsible for Fedora Force
>Will shove his mary sue Sylux into the game
>More Federation fanfiction garbage

No fuck you and die. Series should have stayed dead.

>>382389083
>2 metroid games coming out 2018
>5mash is probably coming out 2019-2020
y'all know what this means
ridley in 5mash

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>>382393309
>Fedora Force

>>382389083
I never believed it was dead for a second and laughed at the anons who said it was.

Though, to be fair, I also thought it was Retro developing Prime 4.

Now I just wonder what the fuck they're doing.

>>382389083
Nintendo literally outright said that Federation Force was a setup for a future Prime game. The Metroid fanbase just ignored that and cried like a little bitch.

>>382393171
I think he's just a superfag anon.

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>>382393501
2big

>>382393501
metroid had a shitload of games from 2002-2007, didn't help ridley get into brawl

>>382393309
Here's your (You)

>>382393615
It's not Retro? Who is it?

>>382389083
>we were just overreacting?
/v/ has never overreacted to anything in its existence.

>>382389083
It died when Yokoi died. Modern Metroid is just a joke.

>>382393698
>game was so bad even review sites called it mediocre
wow

>>382393750
Apparently a new in house team at EPD.

>one crappy game
>one crappy spin-off
>after three solid entries
>BAWWW IT'S DEAD
Metroid fans are fuckign obnoxious
I just know there are already multiple crybabies ITT bitching that Prime 4 and Samus Returns will be the worst things ever made

>finally update AM2R with the community patch to try out Random mode
>get Wave Beam, Hi-Jump, and Screw Attack in Area 1
>wander around wondering how to proceed because every path forward requires bombs
>remember Fast Travel Tubes
>proceed to Area 5
>get my shit wrecked by the Five Alpha Metroids Room
I think I need to git gud.

>>382392960
Yeah, it's clear that nobody at Nintendo ever once considered Metroid as being dead or unworthy of developing for. As someone earlier in the thread said, you can go back in recent years and find interviews with Miyamoto and Tanabe about where they want to take the series next. I guess we were all so upset with Other M and Federation Force that we didn't bother looking at the signs that the series wasn't going anywhere.

Literally on a break due to Other M being such a colossal failure.

>>382389083
Samus Returns will be shit
Prime 4 has a chance to be good, but it's being developed by an inexperienced team so it's probably not a good idea to get your hopes up

What I don't understand is where the fuck all of Nintendo's game developers are and what they are doing. Why do they release so few significant games these days?

>>382389083
Samus Returns should have been announced earlier alongside Federation Force. Nintendo were tone deaf and it bit them in the ass.

>>382392960
I can accept Kid Icarus being dead more than Metroid, because at least the last game in the series was solid (I still pick it up sometimes), and it was more of a Sakurai passion/launch title. I wouldn't mind seeing another Kid Icarus as a revival of 3D shooters from Nintendo. The Sin & Punishment games were great on the Wii and I was really hoping Starfox: Zero would be good. Beyond not being a super-powered console the Switch doesn't have a bunch of dumb gimmicks that could hold it back too much.

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>tfw trying to 100% Super without a guide
I've beaten this game twice throughout my life and seen numerous speedruns, but hunting down the last few expansions is fucking exhausting.

Metroid Retruns looks neato barring Samus french kissing the baby or something.

But I'm worried about Tanabe because he's a got a good track record of being a colossal fuckup.

>>382394413
Kid Icarus: Uprising is basically what a Star Fox game should be.

Metroid is going to suffer harshly until it is shelved and neglected forever.

To believe otherwise is shockingly naive.

>>382394806
It's better, but Starfox has the element of having to dodge space objects and shit and KIU didn't have much of that.

>>382394413
I can't, Uprising was fucking amazing and I want more. Been 5 years since the game came out and Nintendo should be making the series into a proper franchise. Don't want to wait another 25 years for the next game.

>>382395081
They won't make another without Sakurai and you know how anal he is about sequels.

>>382395170
Just like they quit making Kirby games without Sakurai, right?

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>>382389083
Very much so, the hatred for FF was idiotic because even before it was revealed Nintendo already stated there was both a 2D and 3D Metroid game in the works. It was going to happen regardless, yet retarded fanboys thought it was going to kill it.

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>>382395170
>rehashes Smash 4 for the rest of his life

>>382395328
It was still garbage.

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Must be nice.

>>382395431
Go away Douglas no one likes you.

>>382395372
I never played it so I wouldn't know, but that doesn't change the fact that Metroid fans are insufferable morons.

>>382395292
Kirby's a cheap and consistent money maker for them. Regardless I do hope I end up being wrong.

>>382395328
It was a bad game regardless, but it teased MP4 in it's ending. They already had plans to make the new Metroid games around that time.

>>382389083
I never got the whole "Alive/dead franchise" thing.

Like, the old games are still there. You can still play them.
And if you've played through them to death, then boo hoo, now you've got time to tackle the 75,000 other games in your backlog. What a fucking travesty.

And we all know, the INSTANT a new game in a dead franchise is announced, everyone's going to bitch about how much it's going to suck.

>>382395685
Prime 3 also teased MP4 in it's ending.

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>>382395328
I remember people saying that Federation Force's poor sales doomed the series forever because Nintendo was going to see lack of interest in that game as lack of interest in Metroid as a whole. Even back then before E3 I thought that was an idiotic thing to believe.

So Cody was right?

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>>382395328
I hated it because I wanted a Republic Commando clone.

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>>382395292
Except for the fact that Kirby has an entire company backing up him. With Sakurai seemingly not interested in doing a sequel (unless he's changed his mind over the last five years), KI doesn't have a development team to make new games for it, because no one else at Nintendo has the time or interest in it.

It's the same problem Metroid's had for awhile, actually. The team behind the first four games + Zero Mission was known as Research & Development 1, but they were shuttered back in 2005 when Iwata restructured Nintendo's teams around, and a lot of its staff members either retired or were transferred to EAD or SPD. It's pretty telling that Sakamoto has to keep bringing in outside companies like Team Ninja or MercurySteam to help him produce new games. For awhile, Metroid Prime had Retro Studios, but they moved onto Donkey Kong Country.

Which I why i definitely hope the new team behind Prime 4 is a new internal EPD division instead of yet another outside studio like Next Level Games, because it could finally give Metroid a dedicated team behind it like how Mario, Zelda and Animal Crossing do.

>>382395328
The way I remember it, the project head simply said if people wanted a proper Metroid Prime it'd have to wait for the next hardware cycle, and no mention of a 2D Metroid was made at all. I don't remember hearing either was guaranteed prior to FF's release, just pleas from the dev that this was something he'd wanted to make for years and it'll feel like Metroid, promise,

>>382395292
Sakurai was right though. Kirby went okay for a while with Flagship but after that it's mostly been bland, repetitive and reliant on referencing the Shinomura games endlessly (Even though they weren't THAT great) for sales.

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>melee qte
>in a metroid game
oh
no

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>>382389083
I don"t know. federation force and other man were giving death signals to me

>>382396210
I don't think you know what a QTE is

>>382390126
I still really feel like the DS really should've had a 2D Metroid game.

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>>382395572

>>382389083
It's pretty clear that the hiatus stemmed from Retro moving onto new projects and the 2D team being disbanded. They didn't have any teams free to actually make a Metroid game.

Prime 4 needed a new team built from the ground up to make it, and Samus Returns is outsourcing the grunt work to MercurySteam.

>Shinya Takahashi, Nintendo: So it has been a while since we released the last one and we're having discussions internally about what we can do next. So at this point we have two different types of Metroid games. We have the Prime style of Metroid game and we have the more traditional style of Metroid game. We feel that we do need to take care of both of these styles of play. And the hope is that at some point in the near future we'll be able to share something about them.

http://kotaku.com/nintendo-is-planning-a-future-for-both-2d-and-3d-metroi-1590142491

>Reggie: "Oh, so earlier today I got asked about Mother 3; maybe you can ask me about Metroid. Look, again, I am proud as an executive with Nintendo to say that we look at all of the boards and all of the comments and we really have a good understanding of what our consumers want. And believe me, we take that to heart as we work to create content. So I have nothing to announce--here. But we are aware that there are some key IP that consumers just can't wait for the next true installment in that franchise's legacy. Suffice it to say, we're aware of it, and talk to me in a year and let's look back and see what's happened."

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/nintendo-offers-metroid-mother-3-fans-a-glimmer-of/1100-6446941/

They were clearly still trying to figure out what to do next with the series unlike F-Zero where they straight up say they have no interest when asked.

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>>382389083
Yes, and as a Metroid fan it was one of the main reasons why I avoided most Metroid threads in the last few years.

>It's not dead man, not even close to the Super Metroid hiatus. Last game in the franchise was last year and Other M was six years before. That's not too bad all things consi-
>BUT THOSE DON'T COUNT BECAUSE [arbitrary reasons]
>Well they also said in interviews very recently that they're figuring out what to d-
>DEEEAAAAAAAAAD

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>>382392960
Being a Mother Fan sure is suffering

>>382397105
I mean, to be fair, Mother actually legitimately ended. It wasn't abandoned to the wolfs in the same way F-Zero was. Mother doesn't get any new games because Itoi wanted M3 to be the last one. So it died a peaceful death, really.

>>382397290
No, he wanted M3 to be HIS last one. In an interview he basically gave the series away to anyone who wanted it, saying that he'd want to play a Mother 4, not make it.
But it's up to Nintendo to decide if they want to make a new one or not. I'm thinking it wont' ever happen.

>>382389083
It wasn't overreacting, the franchise was in a really bad spot, and I'm sure the overwhelmingly negative fan reaction to Federation Force is half the reason we're even getting two new real Metroid games.

Never, EVER try to convince yourself or others that being critical of a company is bad. They should be held accountable, constantly. Don't let others dismiss it as "whining", the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

>>382395936
>i definitely hope the new team behind Prime 4 is a new internal EPD division

I think it is. Which interests me because it will be the first time a Prime game will be developed entirely in Japan, which makes me wonder if it will be distinctly different from other Prime games as a result.

>>382397769
Be pretty cool if it resembled the 2D games.

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>>382397290
>>382397473
Hell, I want a fucking sign that outside Smash Mother is still a thing, A Remake/Remasters/Collection, a Spin Off whatever.
I know that Mother 4 is as posible as fucking Banjo Threeie, but at least release Mother 3 in the west.

>Other M bombs.
>Half a decade of nothing.
>Federation Force bombs.
>Metroid has never been that popular in Nintendo's home country to begin with.

I mean I didn't think Metroid was dead, but it's not that hard to see why people would jump to a worst case scenario.

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>>382397769
I just hope we still get all the lore and stuff.
I'd be kind of disappointed if tuuubes were gone.

>>382393501

>Metroid Prime 3 in 2007
>Brawl in 2008
>Ridley was a boss in Brawl
>Ridley still unplayable
>Ridley still 2big

Ridley will likely never be playable.

>>382389083

I'm mentally upgrading it from "dead" to "life support" so I don't have my hopes dashed when Metroid Prime 4 turns out to be Other M 2

>>382397913
I still don't understand why they thought it was a good idea to release federation force after last game was other m

>>382393615

>DKCR3

>>382391981
>the suffering from Starfox: Zero being such goddamn trash has not left me.
meh. better than command.

>>382393615
They're supposedly working on their own original game now. That's the rumour, at least.

>>382397971

>"Metroid Prime 4 might be Other M 2"

You'd think after the fanbase bitching for 7 years that they'd learned their fucking lesson by now. Not to mention the fact that MP4 is actually being worked on now. Nintendo is listening to fans now apparently.

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Something about Zebes seems different somehow.

>>382398140
that hack is so good until you start falling into inescapable pools of lava and acid

>>382398140

Who the hell even thought SMR was a good idea?

>>382396069
Kirby's Flagship entries were pretty impressively bland, dude.

>>382389083
It didn't have a single decent game in ten years. That's pretty dead.
That said, things are really looking up for Metroid.

>>382398443

Finally

>>382389083
I think I have that same figure.

>>382397913
There were literal interviews with Nintendo about how they wanted to make more Metroid games in the 2D and Prime styles. Compare that to when they were asked about F-Zero and they basically said "we have no plans for that."

>>382397868
Mother is in the SNES classic, so it's clear that Nintendo thinks it's one of their main classics.

>>382398021

To tease Prime 4 in a vague ending easter egg

because

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>>382398243
It's genius. Check out this sick Ice Beam skip strat.

>>382398243
Axeil Edition is better.
Like, ridiculously better.
But my favorite hack will always be Hyper Metroid.
At least until X-Fusion releases. That looks like it's going to be the greatest hack.

>>382398641
>>382398140
You're posting webms from Redesign tonight, webm guy?

>>382398760
They're the Rotation hack, not Redesign. Everything's the same, it just rotates the map by 90 degrees because why not.

>>382398641

>land on zebes
>immediately go to wrecked ship due to lack of grapple requirement
>kill phantoon
>game recognizes you're playing in wrong order
>SNES comes to life
>SNES strangles you to death

i'll stick with prime 2 thanks

>>382398831
Why the fuck did I see Anon post SMR and think Super Metroid Redesign?
Yes. Rotation Hack is bloody awesome.
There's another dumb hack that's pretty cool called Maridia / Norfair. It hypothesizes what might logically happen when the Maridia Tube is shattered, by draining all of Maria's water into Norfair.
I know there are airlocks to prevent that shit but the idea is interesting, even if the hack is incomplete what with having fish flying around in the area and stuff.

>>382390126
This desu

>>382391909
>Nintendo never once ignored Metroid
Repeated missed milestone anniversaries say otherwise

>>382399086
maridia/norfair would be good if you got the gravity suit before varia and their values were switched.
it has way too many water permastuck situations

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If only samus waited to see this day

>>382399412

Tfw the Federation will probably kill Samus anyway in Metroid 5

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>>382390126
>Prime 3
>solid 3D game
>everyone is happy

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>>382389083
Which is the best Metroid game to get into the series?
I was thinking to start with pic related

>>382399556

>Implying Prime 3 isn't solid

>>382399604

Zero Mission or Prime 3

>>382399412

I can't believe Metroid's girlfriend is fucking dead.

>>382399818
Why did she put on Metroid's armour before killing herself, though?

>>382399818

That's not Metroid's girlfriend, you fucking imbecile.


That's his sister.

>>382399412
That must be a hell of a strong rope to keep the suit up.

>>382399604
Super, ZM, Prime

>>382399873
to protect herself from suicidal thoughts

it was out of shields though

>>382399604
zero mission solid choice for starting off

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>>382399086
I should check that one out. I might also replay Redesign, but I don't know, since I kind of want to replay the whole series now, and that might take a while.

>>382399939

Then what the fuck is the grapple beam even made of?

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>>382399873
>Not wearing the guy you like's clothes.

>>382396447
Metroid Ii should have been remade for it

>>382399412
>when u cant crawl

>>382400028
energy

>>382400073
>x parasite

>>382399683
Prime 3 was a good game, but was bogged down with Samus talking to people. Isolation is the primary thematic thread that holds the series together.

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>>382389083

>Overreacted

No fuck you. It's finally back and I'm never letting it go away.

>>382400125

Makes perfect sense.

Then again, what actually does make any sense in the entire Metroid universe?

Example: 50-foot-tall 5-legged black spider breaching from a 10-foot-tall cocoon

Dark magic, if you will.

>>382391981
SFZ was at the very least a Star Fox game even if they rehashed Lylat Wars again.

Also Miyamoto wants to do more with it so it's not dead in the water.

>>382400204
What, you didn't feel "isolated" enough on the Pirate Homeworld?

Or on the Valhalla?

>>382399556
It's a great game, anon.

>>382394609
There is a missile in the wall of the mommy turtle room

>>382397946
Tanabe was the reason why the lore exist within the scans, so probably they not going anywhere.

>>382400448
Knowing that I was guaranteed to leave at some point kinda killed the mood.

Omega Ridley fight was cool though.

>>382400572
Scanning was objectively the best in Echoes

>>382398029
Yeah I dunno man, Tropical Dong didn't sell fantastically or anything.

>>382398124
mite b neat

>>382400358
>Dark magic
dark energy. the universe is saturated with the stuff. just because it can't be seen with the naked eye doesn't mean you can't use it as a resource

>>382400448
I didn't feel isolated enough because the aurora was telling where to go and what to do it's like the hint system but you can't turn it off and it speaks

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You fuckers played Rogue Dawn yet?

>>382389083
>Is it safe to say that Metroid was never dead and we were just overreacting?
No not really. Before fusion/prime metroid was a rather small franchise with 1 good game, 1 bad game, and 1 great game, and then 8 years before anything else.

Prime 3 was '07, Other M was '10 and was dog shit, and then fedora force was '16 and somehow even worse. With a 9-year gap since the last decent game and two giant stinkers it wasn't out of the question to say the franchise was dead, as that was a longer gap than from Super-Fusion/Prime, even without any stinkers in the interim.

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>>382399604

>>382400693
>Implying the Ing are anywhere near competent enough to be able to use dark energy, the shit that accelerates the expansion of the entire universe

it's fucking magic dude

or phazon

whatever

>>382400780
>mfw shyguy's play room
>mfw portal to the mushroom kingdom
Great hack, but it's got issues.

>>382400919
all you need to do is steal the tech from someone smarter than you

>>382400723

That was the biggest flaw with the game.

Other than hypermode.

And the FUCKING SPIRE SCENE

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>>382400882
>Metroid II
>bad
This is why you shouldn't do drugs, kids. Drugs make you an idiot.

>>382398674
>At least until X-Fusion releases. That looks like it's going to be the greatest hack.
Good god I cannot wait. Gonna be a few more years though I think.

>>382401001

Luminoth couldn't do it either. They had concentrated light energy or whatever, but not dark energy.

>>382401110
It's nigh-unplayable, there's a reason they're re-making it and why AM2R exists.

>>382401110

Metroid 2 was mediocre only because of the core mechanics and objective

>Metroid fans don't get any news of a new proper game for 7 years
>Constant whining
>F-Zero fans don't get anything for the past 13 years, with no sign of that ending soon
>nothing
Why?

>>382401218

I'd rather have no games at all than get my hopes up only to be let down, and then just straight up get my face spat in.

>>382400882
Metroid II is by no means a bad game.

>>382401192
>It's nigh-unplayable
Sure if you suck I guess?

>>382401217
Could you elaborate?

>>382401132
They literally invented the Dark Beam in an attempt to overload the Ing with dark energy.
When it didn't work, THEN they created the Light Beam.

>>382401192
>It's nigh-unplayable
How so? No map? It's not really necessary, it's not as mazelike as the first Metroid since all the areas just branch off in order from a central tunnel.

>>382392982
>being an fps

>>382401312
>inb4 VR experience

>>382401354

By the mechanics I mean the fact that exploring the whole planet is impossible due to the road block that was the acid/lava.

The objective being the fact that you had to hunt down every last metroid until the lava went down that way you could explore the planet and (surprise) kill more metroids. It was bland, unchanging, and repetitive.

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>>382400882
People only shit on Fedaration Force cause of bad timing. It's a better game than both Hunters and Pinball yet no one bitched about those game because they were released when we were getting Metroid games out the ass

>>382401218
>>382401312 pretty much
F-zero hasn't gotten a single peep from anything that's not smash in ~14 years.
With fusion/prime and the next handful of years it seemed like it was going to be zelda-tier, or at least slightly less popular games like kirby.

>>382401396

Ffffffshut up nerd

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Outside the story.
I always think, Other M could have being a better game if it had the knunk Chuck and vertical Wii mote instead of the awkward controls because guimics?

>>382389083
I'll miss bullying Metroidfags. That I can say for sure.

>>382401218
>Miyamoto was asked when we could see a new F-Zero game
>Mentioned that they haven't found a good controller scheme for it
>Brings up Star Fox Zero
I think it's too late for a good F-Zero to happen.

>>382401536
>I mean the fact that exploring the whole planet is impossible due to the road block that was the acid/lava.

How is this a negative?
>The objective being the fact that you had to hunt down every last metroid until the lava went down that way you could explore the planet and (surprise) kill more metroids
Yes, what is wrong with this?
> It was bland, unchanging, and repetitive.
It was exciting. From word go you already have your objective and you spend the rest of the game doing it, watching them evolve. By its very nature it is changing. Repetitive? For sure. But I didn't mind it.

>>382401684
Not only could it have been better, but they had a golden opportunity to make the game completely playable in both first and third person views, and they squandered it because Sakamoto insisted on NES controls.

>>382401816
>How is this a negative?

Being limited to one area trying to hunt down one metroid that's hidden behind a block (that doesn't even appear destructible) is annoying.

>What was wrong with this?

Repetition gets boring. Especially for a Metroid game.

>It was exciting.

No it wasn't. The metroids evolving just made them peskier and more of a chore to deal with.

Metroid died when they made it into a fucking stupid console FPS.

I know everyone LOOOOOVES fucking Prime, but holy shit, the controls were hideous and the gameplay suffered big-time because of it. Even the damn (unreliable as shit) lockon couldn't save that pile of garbage.

>>382401541
Is Chykka canonically supposed to be that big in comparison to Samus or is that just how the model came out?

>>382401869
Why am I not getting the (you)?
Does not work in phones anymore?

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>>382401724
>Miyamoto was asked when we could see a new F-Zero game
>Mentioned that they haven't found a good controller scheme for it

It's a fucking racing game.

>>382402050

>Slightly inconvenient controls
>PRIME IS FUCKING OVERRATED GARBAGE

Oh, come the fuck on.

>>382402050
(you)

>>382402043
>that's hidden behind a block (that doesn't even appear destructible) is annoying.
When has this happened? This is far, FAR more applicable to Metroid 1 than Metroid II, which is a lot fairer about which blocks are destructible.
>Repetition
You must hate most Metroid games then.
>No it wasn't. The metroids evolving just made them peskier and more of a chore to deal with.
To each their own, man. Sounds like an immersion problem.

>>382389083

video game fans have no perspective probably because they are all young

I mean Metroid fans actually thought the whole series was dead forever just because there hadn't been a new game in 7 years

just consider this for a moment
there might be several new Metroid games that get released long after you are dead and gone and the same is probably even more likely for many other series you enjoy

>>382402050
Go away Primefag.

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>>382402050
>the controls were hideous

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>>382401541
>Everyone hypes Quadraxis up.
>It falls apart after a couple of Super Missiles to its kneecaps and the rest of the fight is just a floating head.

>>382402421
Yeah the Quadraxis fight is more spectacle than anything else. But people like fighting huge things in video games since you can't do that in any other medium.

>>382402360
>You must hate most Metroid games then.
Most Metroid games aren't as repetitive as II. Even Echoes wasn't as repetitive as II.

>>382402421
Super disappointing fight.
When I saw that motherfucker I was so hyped.
There are hints around Sanctuary Fortress and The Hive that you were going to fight a gigantic Quad, too.
So disappointing.

>>382401689
Nintendo is the Lord of the dead Franchises, you can always bully F-Zero, Mother/Eartbound, Chibi Robo, Golden Sun and Paper Mario fans.

>>382402516
Metroid games by their very nature are repetitive. You get an ability which allows you to access a new area which will also require another ability to further access. Metroid II simply cuts out the middleman by blocking access to areas with lava.

>>382391981
>has nothing to say but valid points
>gets called a faggot because he forgot that it's ok when Nintendo does it

>>382402250
fucking nintendo are obsessed with reinventing the wheel

wouldn't matter tho cuz the devs don't think they'll ever top gx

>>382402616
>tfw advance wars is too unimportant to bully

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>>382402616
I feel really bad for Camelot. Golden Sun was supposed to be the prelude to their big rpg series and it just never happened. They went from making the Shining series to being in sports game hell for 20 years.

>>382400458
Found them one first time through.

The one that really fucked me up was the missile in some random ass wall of a vertical tunnel in Norfair.

>>382402620

>Metroid II simply cuts out the middleman by blocking access to areas with lava.

Yeah, but in other Metroid games you can at least get an idea of what the next upgrade will be by the look of the barrier. New upgrades are exciting to find and use. I got super sketched out when I entered Dark Aether and couldn't jump back up to the portal to leave, but I knew what the upgrade was and I was at least excited to get it. When I look at the lava, all I know is that there's a barrier and I need to go kill more metroids. That doesn't excite me, that reminds me of how much of a chore the metroids are.

>>382402896
To be fair, Mario Golf and Mario Tennis are both fucking awesome

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>>382391909
>Nintendo never once ignored Metroid

I just replayed all 3 Metroid Prime games

Echoes > Corruption > Prime IMHO

All 3 games are amazing. I'm saving up for a Switch starting now just to play 4 when it comes out

>>382402925
Not him but the Metroids in Metroid 2 were like the Warden Eternal in Halo 5, it got tiring fighting the same boss multiple times. That's the one thing I can see hurting Samus Returns along with needing Metroid DNA to progress through SR-388.

>>382403125
>saving up for a Switch just to play 4
Aren't we all here?

>>382403078
They'll make up for it in the 35th anniversary right?

A Prime game could have been perfect on the Wii U GamePad, but they missed their opportunity.

On that note, a Star Fox game would have been a perfect fit for the Wiimote and nunchuk but they missed the boat on that one too.

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>>382389083
Other M Varia Suit > Prime Varia Suit

>>382402896
tbf they brought it on themselves with dark dawn

>>382403312

>A Prime game could have been perfect on the Wii U GamePad
BEEP
BEEP
WRONG

>>382402925
Well to each their own, man. I quite enjoyed being Samus and hunting Metroids down.
>When I look at the lava, all I know is that there's a barrier and I need to go kill more metroids.
By the way you should've learned that the earthquakes let you know when the lava recedes.
>>382403137
The Warden Eternal was great because he broke up the monotony of fighting prometheans. Plus usually each encounter adds a new dimension to him, or a new perspective on Cortana.

>>382403332
Prime 3 Varia Suit > Other M Varia Suit

>>382395821
IIRC he said Nintendo would see Metroid as a toxic brand and instead continue Federation Force

>>382403078

I choose to believe they ignored the Japanese 30th Anniversary because the series is more of a Western thing.

of course i'll probably just get btfo on august 15th

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>>382403332

>>382403468
True but it did become a hassle fighting him over and over, the problem was he can one shot you and fighting three of those bastards at once isn't fun.

>>382403591
Which is why I'm worried that Japanese devs are making 4

if Other M is anything to go by then the Japs don't understand Metroid at all

>>382403635
>Hurr durr Other M is literally Hitler

>>382403664
Wasn't Other M just Sakamoto sperging about how people liked the "Western" metroid so he wanted to make something that was antithetical to it?

If they're specifically making "Prime 4" they should at least understand that Prime was good, and that other M wasn't.

>>382403735
Except it actually looks bad

>>382389083
>>382394657
How do you guys think the game will control? Motion like trilogy, tank like gamecube 1/2, or move with left stick aim with right?

or options between all 3?

>>382403879
Options between motion and dual analog.

>>382403879
It's almost a certainty that both Twin-Stick and Gyro will be available. The question is whether it'll be Tank w/ Beam Switching or Traditional FPS for Twin-Stick.

>>382403879
tank like gamecube

otherwise it won't be playable in handheld mode

Why does everyone talk about Prime 4 and not the Metroid game we are getting in less than three months?

>>382403639
I feel you, but I just saw it as more of a challenge. The problem is in Halo's combat fundamentals. Spartans are known to do crazy acrobatic shit, but this RARELY comes about in gameplay. They took a step in the right direction with the thrusters, but didn't go all out. Funnily enough, this same criticism can be levied against the 3D Metroids.

>>382404087
because I already played a metroid ii remake last year

>>382404087

The majority of the fanbase has been waiting ten years for a new Prime.

Samus Returns has only been hyped since early June.

>>382404087
Because talking about Samus Returns just causes a bunch of shitflinging between the fanbase.

>>382404087
We know what to expect with Samus Returns. Not a lot to talk about there.

>>382404087
we already know too much about it

>>382404171
Nigga people have been wanting a Metroid II remake for so long that a fan took ten years out of his life to make one.

>>382404145
Doesn't the Melee counter alleviate that somewhat?

>>382404247

And then we played the Metroid II remake.

And then Nintendo announced they were making another one.

Fans had played enough Metroid II for a while.

Why did Hunters trigger Primefags so hard again?

Whenever Hunters is brought up, Primefags shit on it.

>>382404276
I'd have to play it myself to say. I'm not a fan of games taking away control from the player to play a cool animation, which Samus Returns seems to do.

>>382389083
Drought or hiatus would probably be more accurate.

>>382403834
Opinions

>>382404335
no i played am2r and i'll play sr too

>>382402701
Don't samefag faggot.

>>382404335
Speak for yourself.
I'm very interested to see the different direction the game is taking.

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>>382402050
I actually boycotted the Prime games for that very reason. It's been years and a Metroid II remake has made me less butthurt, maybe I'll give Prime 4 a chance.

>>382404421

Not only was Hunters a wrist/handache to control for more than 15 minutes, it was repetitive as hell. They recycled 2 bosses 4 times each. Also, the plot is really oversimplified and retarded. The other Hunters were a pushover and the process of even getting the Octoliths was boring.

Nintendo put it in a coma until they could decide what to do with it.

>>382404516
You shouldn't accuse yourself of samefagging while in the process of samefagging.
It makes you look bad.

>>382393309
>>Led by Tanabe who was responsible for Fedora Force
>even though he also led the Prime Trilogy
(You)

>>382403332
shut up dobson

>>382404647

A W A K E N

>>382404916
this actually made me laugh

>>382404753
The guy was on the Miyamoto leash for Prime (Possibly Prime 2 as well) and look what happened when they let him off it.

>>382403773
sakamoto shouldn't be allowed to touch metroid ever again tbqhwy

>>382389083
Sort of. They had plans for new games and Federation Force was made to see if there was any interest at all. They got their answer, just not in the way they were expecting.

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>>382403735

it literally is though

>>382405271
I think these videos do very well to detail what went wrong in Other M:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX4mhp-8sOc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzIW2g7jFvI

>>382405458
It's been ages since I even thought about other m, what were the "few things that were good about it"?

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>>382402616
>bullying F-Zero fans

>>382405271
> Game secrets consist of nothing but missile expansions, accept expansions and energy tanks
> AuthoriSation
> Combat is "clumsy"
> Self-harming imbecile

Can't take that shit seriously.

>>382405508
They're probably talking about the melee counter being all actiony. I don't know what else from Other M is being brought into SR besides the counter attacks being similar to the takedowns, anyway.

>>382405458
>Japanese Metroid fans

Do these really exist?

>>382405771
Apparently they call Federation Farce "FUCKING SOCCER"

>>382405508
i want to say the counter thing was a neat idea, but suffered for being a new idea when the enemies weren't designed to counter that mechanic. Other than that, that game was chock full of bad design decisions, the biggest ones being the missile control scheme and the dpad for movement in a 3d environment

>>382402616
>chibi robo
I've accepted they're ded, I just don't like it when nintendo digs them up and fucks the corpse.

At least I got a cute amiibo out of it. Only one I own. Might get a MH one too though.

>>382405698

those are all true though

So I've been streaming the trilogy for a few weeks now, on 3 now on a blind run. I gotta say, it's just...not as enjoyable as 1 and 2.

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I like the SR Varia design.

>>382404145
Thing about Halo though is that it would fundamentally hurt the gameplay by making players too powerful, plus I usually try recreating that feeling of book Chief by hopping around like a monkey shooting enemies like crazy while constantly swapping weapons and tossing grenades in real time.

>>382406220
yah that's the general consensus

>>382390126
Prime 3 was far better than "solid", Team Ninja are very competent and Other M was ruined by Sakamoto so you fags can stop blaming them at any time, and a lot of retards were definitely overreacting. You guys were being some of the whiniest cunts on the internet.

>>382404087
That's all I talk about and how it will lead to Metroid Dread's (Metroid 5) development on the 3DS, I can care less about Prime 4.

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>>382406253
It constantly just looks a little bit "off" to me. Like the neon lights on the shoulders, or the side of the helmet which is feels too wide in most of the art shown.

It's 100 times better than the shit OM suit that I've had to see in promo art the past 7 years.

Reminder to boycott Samus returns to send a message to Nintendo for shutting down AM2R

>>382406354
>Team Ninja are very competent
>Ninja Gaiden 3

>>382406354
>Team Ninja are very competent
Ninja Gaiden is a bad series and Nioh is a mediocre game that can't even rip off Dark Souls properly, that entire studio is full of incompetent retards and you won't convince me otherwise

>>382406306
Too linear. Motion controls are not a plus. Hypermode is bad. Music is largely boring or derivative of previous games.

And this is on me for picking Hypermode difficulty on my first playthrough but every other enemy popping Hypermode sucks ass. I have other complaints but I really want to like it.

>>382406481
the only message it would send is that there's no interest in 2d metroids anymore

>>382406354
>Team Ninja are very competent and Other M was ruined by Sakamoto
Ninja Gaiden 2 was okay, the Sigma games sucked, Ninja Gaiden 3 was shit and Team Ninja wanted Metroid to play like Ninja Gaiden instead of going with Sakamoto's idea where the game played like a 2D Metroid, basically what Samus Returns is. Nah, Team Ninja is shit and they are slowly getting better.

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Why does Other M have a metacritic of 79? I know that for the most part, reviews don't matter but that's way too high than what this piece of shit deserves. It sucks as an action game, it sucks as an exploration game, it sucks at pretty much everything.

>>382406481
No, I want Metroid 5 in 2019 for the 3DS.

>>382406292
>Thing about Halo though is that it would fundamentally hurt the gameplay by making players too powerful
At first, yes. But then you up the abilities of the enemies to compensate. Maybe not all at once, maybe introduce a midgame enemy to rival your own abilities and have them become the standard.

>>382406481
Reminder to pull the trigger any day anon.

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>>382405508
Well this was the post right above it. Movement and combat, according to that guy.

>>382406817
That could be interesting, they are trying with Spartan Abilities and I can see them adding something to counter zip lining, all running, and double jumping in Halo 6, so we'll see.

>>382406004
I saw that game the other day + the Amiibo for like 10 bucks or least.

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>>382406760
Seriously, what the Christ?

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>>382407160
>sensational storyline

>>382407160
Being a journalist in this day and age must be a harrowing thing. What do you think the probability would be to get hired again if you didn't submit a review on time because you didn't finish the game? You just make shit up.

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>>382407290
It's not even this day and age, this game came out 7 years ago. Zelda's Skyward Sword is a little more understandable because talking shit about Zelda is essentially career suicide, but Metroid?

>>382407160
>>382407563

9.9/10 - it's okay I guess

>>382407563
I meant 2010+ since that's the internet has been expanding incredibly fast in its userbase since 2009, when people were starting to have smartphones regularly.

It's not about shittalking Metroid, it's about playing maybe one hour and you wanna get paid so you make shit up.

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>>382405848
Oh yeah, I should post that.

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Also I happened to catch this as I was scrolling.

>>382407908
it's not possible to dislike anthony

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>>382407908
divided by an ocean but united by our memes

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>>382407953
you're damn skippy

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>>382407908
was he posted a few years before the game came out or something? because I actually did sort of remember him around when it came out, but couldn't remember if I had actually seen him before

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>>382407953

>>382406535
Ninja Gaiden 3 sucked, no doubt about that. Razor's Edge fixed it up quite a bit though and was a decent game. But yeah, NG3 and Xtreme 3 were Team Ninja's big fuckups (although the latter was forced on them by Koei Tecmo and was made with a shoestring budget).

>>382406541
That's some godawful taste right there. Ninja Gaiden Black is the best action game ever made, one of the best games ever made period, and as good as any Metroid game. 3 is the only bad Ninja Gaiden but as I said above Razor's Edge improved it dramatically. Nioh is also excellent and better than either of the Dark Souls sequels.

>>382406739
The original version of 2 is fantastic. It's not as good as Black but it's still one of the best 3D action games. Sigma 1 was also great, albeit a bit of a downgrade, and Sigma 2 was decent despite being a more significant downgrade. And the problems with Other M were 99% Sakamoto, as shown in Iwata Asks and other dev interviews. He's the one who wanted a 3D game with dpad controls, he's the one who forced sideways wiimote controls, he's the one who wanted the story focus (and he also wrote the story), he's the one who wanted the pixel hunts added, and he's the one who came up with the authorization bullshit. It's his mess and Team Ninja are unjustly blamed for it. Had they gotten their way and it played like a projectile based Ninja Gaiden with proper controls and difficulty it would have been a far better game.

>>382408520
>Ninja Gaiden Black is the best action game ever made, one of the best games ever made period
You're fucking delusional man, even DMC1 is better and it's clunky as fuck

>>382389083
No, the last real Metroid game was a decade ago. It was dead and got revived. Nobody overreacted.

>>382408590
Sure thing anon. You either haven't played it or haven't gotten past Murai.

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>>382408746
>you're not allowed to think a game is bad, clearly you know nothing about it and have to prove yourself to me first

>>382408615
>the ones I don't like don't count

metroid fans are star wars fans now?

really makes you think

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>>382389083
>Other M figma was $40
>This one is $80

I really want to buy it, but there's no way I can justify it to myself at that price point, especially with the fact that I already own one with an albeit worse design.

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METROID: HEMORRHOID

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTEn14TsK0s

>>382408520
Sakamoto wanted a 2D game Team Ninja didn't want a 2D game, they wanted a 3D game. If Team Ninja would have just wne with the 2D idea, then 90% of Other M's problems wouldn't have been there to begin with.

>>382407908
Fucking lol

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>isolation and exploration

I'm so fucking stoked that they chose to use these words. I want to be cautiously optimistic but the fact that they acknowledged ISOLATION as an important part of Metroid games makes me feel like they're finally getting it.

>>382409719
whooops, meant to quote >>382394657 but I cbf to delete my post

>>382409038
Oh shit, I guess that's where that comes from. I saw it a few times in metroid threads on 2ch. Now I know why. Anyway, it's a portmanteau of the word "omoroi" (entertaining) and "metroid."

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>>382392861
I played both Castlevania for 360 and the DS one, they all sucked, well mostly the portable one

So even if I'm a Metroid fan I feel a bit on the edge about this game being good or not.

Why is super metroid opening theme so good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhAQfpbsymU

>>382404083
Or it could just have multiple game plat methods like arms

>>382410603
Arms?

>>382395328
I liked it. However

>>382395885
So much this, that would've been the best shit.

I just best Super Metroid.

What should I play next, Fusion of Prime 1? Should I finish all the 2D games first before loving onto Prime or just do it in release order?

>>382410828
play Fusion and Zero Mission

>>382410156
You realise that except for the 3DS game it was all Kojima right?

>>382408349
he was posted ever since the trailer dropped

>>382410948
It is still a studio with not much else to compare. However we have at least seen some gameplay for Metroid 2 so far

>>382410724
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_(video_game)

>>382410828
play it in whatever order you want senpai

the story in metroid isn't really as super important as fans would lead you to believe

there's continuity, but every title is mostly self-contained

>>382409206
The biggest problems (the unskippable and terrible story and the linearity/authorization bullshit would still be there.

>>382392861
>>382410156
Lords of Shadow 1 was decent. The other two were bad though (especially LoS2).

>>382410948
Kojima had nothing to do with Mirror of Fate or Lords of Shadow 2. David Cox was the Konami guy in charge of those.

>>382410948
That's not true.

>>382411165
Don't know about that, when Team Ninja wanted a huge AAA game, Nintendo had to make it worth the price which meant they hired a big budget cinematic studio, D-Rockets, to use Sakamoto's story guidelines to make a storyboard and write a script, so chances are those wouldn't have even been a thing.

>>382403879
It's going to be the traditional FPS dual stick controls with beam switching being done via menu like Trilogy.

>>382407908
>Remember me?
Who the fuck are you?

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I hate that I have to re-buy Super Metroid on every console. I got it on WiiU, i dont wanna re-buy it when it comes on Switch. They should absolutely have a cloud feature of sorts

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>>382411269
Those goofy japs.

>>382411539
Or just download a rom.

>>382411676
i wanna play it on my Switch or 3DS though

Opinions on Axiom Verge?

>>382395328
>literally mister hindsight the post

>>382411719
Oh I feel you. Nice Samus image by the way, saved.

>>382411720
Combat is clunky because of the lack of movement from Trace. Most of the weapon derivatives are useless. The level design takes a nosedive in certain endgame areas. The music's great, the universe it creates is interesting. I would buy a sequel on sale.