*blocks your path* What's the single hardest boss you've

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>>382384620
>Ouroboros, male
what did he mean by this?

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>>382384620
*wipes ur party*

>>382384620
But mem aleph is in the same game
Although it might be easier too cheese her depending on how lucky you are

If Disaster Cycle didn't petrify the MC and you're posting here, you don't know SHIT about video games

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This bitch was pretty bullshit considering you had to fuse a team of personas specifically for the fight that wouldn't trigger her automatic diarahan + 9999 Megidolaon effect before even attempting it.

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>People posting RPGs

Ha ha ha. I sure love bosses that can be beaten by grinding instead of getting good at the game.

>Three Forms
>One hit drains a quarter of your life
>No healing in between forms; Not even a single power up or enhancement
>Half of his attacks in his early form are luck-based to dodge without getting hit
>Later attacks remove bits of the floor that if you get knocked back into (somewhat likely), you instantly die
>Each form requires you to hit him at least 16 times, if not more
>His weak point is almost always near-impossible to hit and very small
>If you die once, you lose any subweapon powerups and have to rely solely on what the game gives you out of pity
>If you game over once, you have to start back at the beginning of the stage leading up to him which is equally likely to kill you and is just about impossible to escape unscathed.

>>382386227
That guy's easy, especially if you do the japanese version where you don't restart from the beginning of the level.

>>382386227
I got Dracula in III on my 4th try. He's an absolute fucking joke. The only hard Dracula is in I and Order of Ecclesia.

>>382384620
I figured you were supposed to lose that fight..

>>382386347
>The only hard Dracula is in I

Hardly. Holy water makes that fight trivial.

>>382386323
>>382386347
Do it in the American Wii version. They fix the homing capability on his attack so now it tracks you better in the final form.

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>Picking anything but Yuzu's path

My ass was NOT ready.

Also is DeSu2 better than 1?

>>382386227
>People posting RPGs
>>382384620
>in an RPG?

Really charbroils my chestnut.

>>382386498
What? Hardly. Can you even find holy water in that room?

>>382386227
>instead of getting good at the game.
>Half of his attacks in his early form are luck-based

Kek.

>>382386780
He's right. Not for the first form, but the second form of Dracs, THE speedrunning technique is to spam holy water. You always get Holy Water and a Cross in all Dracula rooms in all the games, but you don't get the second or third item that really makes him laughable.

>>382386227
>dude just grind lmao

>>382385625
>>382385213
>are perfectly capable of kicking your shit in even at the level cap

>>382386525
DeSu2 has better gameplay, worse plot.

So yes, it's a better srpg.

>>382386896
Neither do a single bar of damage. Are you playing the version where he doesn't kill you in 4 hits? The only reason OoE is harder is because that Drac kills you in 2.

>>382386991
The Grim Reaper is the TRUE final boss in Castlevania 1.

Disaster Cycle is a bitch

>>382386991
>Being this naive

I expect an apology for questioning me this far.
https://youtu.be/H8oL97GOrEM?t=11m13s

Don't get swayed and post early cause he uses a cross at first. He uses a pretty good advanced technique. Pay attention to the second form of the fight.

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>>382386347
>OoE Drac
>mfw he starts walking

>>382387197
>Doubleshot

Disregarded. That's like bringing a star to boom-boom.

>>382387037
Can't disagree with that, but Drac and Frank are on the same tier.

>>382385213
I refuse to believe this fucker is even beatable

>>382387197
The runner actually had REALLY bad luck there too vs 1st stage Drac. He rarely shoots his fireballs upwards twice in a row like that.

>>382384620
10 Fatestone Saruin. Absolutely fucking ridiculous.

>>382386323
>Japanese version
Get the fuck out of here. We play all our old games on the superior harder American versions.
>>382386227
You should be able to beat his first form with getting hit -~1 times. Second form is slightly tricky. Third form is something else though with the ground breaking a part periodically to create floating platforms.

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this faggot has given me more trouble than any other EO superboss

>>382386227
I figured out a really roundabout way to beat all the bosses in CV3 when I was a kid, which basically involved hitting them once adn then running away. Doppelganger, Death, Dracula, it works against everything.

>>382387357
I said the second item in my post. Either way, gracefully admit you were an idiot and I'll be on my way.

>>382387383
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ctSvRAeM0k

>>382384695
It says Maia

>>382385213
>Illidan

Anyway, when are we getting new info on Strange Journey Redux? I've seen some twitter videos that show the voice acting of the main characters and even some important NPCs but that's it.

>>382386525
>Naoya's route is grind encounters until you can beat the next boss
Fucking lame, totally killed the pacing

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*gets 8 turns for free*

https://youtu.be/zIjVvnO5lgM

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Not a boss, but still the meanest things in the game

>all these faggots posting JRPG bosses

There's no "hard boss" in JRPGs since if you are having trouble you just need to grind for 1 or 2 hours and then you can beat the boss easily.

>>382388168
>"Heh, am I fucking faggot or what guys?"
Why come into a thread for something you hate?

>>382384620
>Ouroboros
>hard
Zelenin is legit more dangerous than Ouroboros and she's still a fucking joke, even Mem Aleph's easy if you equip the Gibo Eyes App.
Come back when you can beat stuff like 10FS Saruin or Last Raven Portable Zinaida, then we talk.
>>382388168
>if you are having trouble you just need to grind for 1 or 2 hours and then you can beat the boss easily.
People who only play babby shit like FF aren't allowed in these threads.

>>382386525


>Beelzebub has that bullshit spawn mechanic
>Jezebel has a built-in anti-cheese condition
>Belberith and his infinite range on top of tough trash mobs

Babel was a fucking joke compared to what you had to do to get to him.

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>>382388168
>Grinding
Yeah, what ever you say, sea hopper.

>>382388168
>grinding
>ever

You're one of those plebs that accepted the bump down to Ninja Dog in Ninja Gaiden, aren't you?

>>382387406
>Have to abuse retard skill that makes you basically invincible as long as you're asleep just to start the fight

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>>382384620
This nigger made the final boss look easy by comparison. I had to grind my HP to beat him, in a game where grinding is a total pain because it has no experience system.

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>Your victory depends entirely on what attacks the boss decides to do

Love this meme

>>382387748
this is the only EO Boss I have ever seen that manages to hit over 9K, even EO2U with it's inflated power-creep numbers doesn't compare

>>382388168
Except for all of the superbosses balanced to be vastly stronger than an entire team of level capped units with ultimate gear, which can only be beaten with proper team and skill setup and tactics.

>>382386957

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I have to wonder how many people dropped Chrono Cross because of THIS ASSHOLE.

>>382388427
Hand, over, the MAGI.

>>382384620
Unironically ouroboros or demifiend. They are actually difficult too.

>>382384620
>just beat this bitch the first time
please tell me the second time isn't as bullshit

>>382388530

I quit at the sundial. Fuck that asshole.

>>382388530
More probably dropped it as it's a shitty game.

A few of the Kingdom Hearts bonus bosses are intense shit no matter what difficulty or level you're at. Especially on Critical. Sephiroth and Unknown in KH1, Terra's armor and certain Org 13 refights in KH2, that son of a bitch Mysterious Figure and Vanitas Remnant in BBS..

It's like the further you get into the series, the more bullshit the bonus bosses get and the more rules they break to violate you.

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>Casts Dispel on the entire party and then Zeta Flare on the same turn

Thank god for auto-lif... Wait a minute

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>>382386227
>I've never played Wizardry

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>>382388928
*teleports behind you and kills you in one hit*

>>382388931
just because she is the only boss that actually counters hasten world cheesing doesn't make her difficult. I'd say Satan[+] is the most difficult motherfucker in BD. The fight forces you to know how to break the game

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Not a boss and completely optional but killing these guys was a pain in the ass without a guide for strategies.

>>382386227
>He thinks that he can always grind to win in a JRPG
Try playing the last remnant sometime.

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>>382388928

>Vanitas Remnant

Fuck me, it all just came rushing back.

>>382387693
Akumajō Densetsu >> Castlevania III

>>382388995
At least post IV

>>382389018
Funny enough Young Xehanort's tough, but they legitimately toned him down in 3D since he had to be beatable as the climax boss. Time warp aside.

Julius isn't even a massive clusterfuck spectacle of hatred in comparison, he just fists you deep and hard before you see it coming.

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My friend had saved himself into a corner where he was underleveled as fuck with no healing/gear against this boss.

I spent 6 hours trying to time Freya's Jump so she's never take a hit while all the rest were stone fucking dead. Nothing else even comes close.

>>382388793
You have no idea
>beat Ouro the first time with an all-neutral team all with fire attacks
>alignment question after first battle
>somehow turn chaotic already
>no longer have damage output to beat it

So yeah I had to reload and pick the neutral option.

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>>382387748
I had so much trouble with this guy I just had to use that cheaty RNG abuse method that lets you wipe him with two underleveled party members. Only time I had to bitch out in EO and use a guide.

>>382388502
>Trying this desperately to legitimize a boss that can be defeated with information

No matter how many times someone tells me the strategy for beating an action-boss, until the person at the controller gets good, it will never happen. If I tell you what skill you need and how to use it, you can beat any RPG boss within 2 tries.

>>382389314
A similar thing happened with me, but it was the other way around

>>382389291
YX on the 3DS was way worse for me, because he comes after a very long and very hard boss rush so you can't just go grind up better skills.

Like 90% of my awesome anime attacks were completely useless because YX would just superarmor through them and kill my ass. And that 1 frame cage OHKO was especially annoying.

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*projectile spam your path*

nothing personel, kid

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The post-game content in this was fucking ridiculous. I don't remember if I ever beat any of it without cheating.

>>382389557
it still bothers me that this is a guy

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>>382389286

>>382389350
>Only games which rely on your reflexes are good games
>Chess requires zero skill because some top tier chess player can just whisper you what to do every turn without you knowing shit about the game
Kys

>>382389350
>No matter how many times someone tells me the strategy for beating an action-boss, until the person at the controller gets good, it will never happen.
You're saying it like muscle memory is such an arcane mystery when it actually takes less than half an hour to learn a patter.
>If I tell you what skill you need and how to use it, you can beat any RPG boss within 2 tries.
Lolno.
Besides, you can totally apply that to any game, even some infamous bosses like Omega Rugal become piss easy once you show people how to abuse their AI scripts, but in any game, turn based RPG or not, there's still fights that can't be reduced to a simple strategy.

Not to mention, if you need people to tell you how to beat RPG bosses you have little reason to be in this thread

>>382388158
What game is this? It's beautiful.

>>382388995
>>382389651
Every time I read this I have to wonder how people beat the first few wizardries. The amount of bullshit you have to deal with is insane.

For another fighting game boss, General from Global Champion (or Kaiser Knuckle in Japan).
No one legitimately beat him until like 3 years ago.

>>382389815
>Chess analogies
>Implying what I'm stating isn't true even if I were to accept your false equivalence

If we take it into a game sense, if you're playing a chess game, you can conquer the computer easily by pitting it against a better computer while you're white. You never have to get good in your life this way.

>>382389930
>Muscle memory and reflex aren't skills, guys!
Also
>Says 'lolno'
>Doesn't refute it and the rest of your argument is talking about it as fact.
No, you can beat any RPG with good strategy and grinding, and the strategy can be either lent out to you or grinded. There's nothing special in either action. You can overcome any challenge trivially, and yes, I fully disbelieve you on the idea that RPGs have fights that can't be reduced to strategy, because in the end, strategy is the only good point FOR RPGs as a skill. Without them, you're just playing shit.

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>>382390164
You should see if you can find the original thread that came out of. It was glorious.

>>382389815
That's 100% the case. The best chess player is the one with a machine that calculates each move for him.

Games originate from physical activity. There's just no comparison between Chess or Football.

How the hell are you even supposed to beat this guy normally? I ended up abusing save states.

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>>382390340
Forgot pic

>>382390301
>tfw ate the pie in King's Quest 5.

hardest rpg boss is tonberry he attacks with big damage

>>382390301
those descriptions are copied verbatim from tvtropes
don't ask why i know that

>>382390164
No it isn't, they're actually pretty easy and newfags make them out to be super hardcore for some reason.

There's very little customization so everything hinges on luck, which means that WHILE a boss can oneshot you there's an equally good chance it won't, so you just play it over and over again until you win no thanks to yourself.

Meanwhile look at a game like 7th Saga where if you build your party the wrong way, there's a boss that cannot by any means be defeated. You'd have to restart from a new game.

>>382390163

One of the Valkyrie Profile games, can't remember which one. I don't think it's Lenneth.

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Tell me to git gud, but fuck you Bravely Default.
And she wasn't even the last boss, she was the second last.

>>382390163
Reverse image search worked for once. valkyrie profile on ps1.

>>382390163
Valkyrie Profile, back when Enix still gave a shit about anything other than Dragon Quest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWwJNIblaVE

>>382387826
Jesus christ, well I guess if I get started on getting those almost-perfect grimoire stones I might be able to do that in about a year

>>382390225
What the fuck are you even talking about? The bosses are challenging because you have to gather information, it's all about learning how to play the game. One game isn't better just because it relies on reflexes instead of information, it just means it is a different genre.
Go take your shitty bait elsewhere.
>>382390332
Yes, and? Are you also going to say that decision making in reality is not a skill because you can have a computer using game theory to calculate the best decision you can possibly make all the time? That makes absolutely no sense, reflexes are a part of the body but gathering and using information independently (without the help of others) is something completely different. And let me tell you, if you're playing a JRPG with someone else telling you how to play then you aren't playing it, the other person is. Just like in your example, chess loses all meaning when the player has the computer making choices for him, it's not a game anymore when he's simply a proxy for the computer and isn't even playing it.

>>382390163
Anything with the party memebers standing in that formation is probably VP.

>>382389350
Well the thing is you're not supposed to use a guide. You're supposed to figure things out by yourself.

>>382390602
>7th Saga
I think that one was actually made harder when it got translated.

>>382390639
Fuck this guy

>>382390639
>If you don't fight two specific bosses before hand, he'll spam party wide petrify attacks when there's only one petrify immune item

Fuck him

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>>382390301
>mfw the one Game Over opportunity in Thimbleweed Park

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>>382384620

>>382384620
>just agi+ demon co op to death

>>382390949
elaborate please

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>>382390163
Ps1 pixelart is amazing, a lot of it has aged amazingly.

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>>382390301
I've played lots of adventure games, this screen is the only difficult part and it's more tedious than difficult since you can constantly save.

>>382390225
>Muscle memory and reflex aren't skills, guys!
And where did I even imply that?
>No, you can beat any RPG with good strategy and grinding
Good strategy, sure, grinding? Don't think so.
As other people mentioned, with 10FS Saruin you can grind to the end of the earth(takes approximately 80-90 hours to do so for a person well versed with the game to begin with), cap everything, get the best possible equipment and still lose in the second turn of the first phase, same with many other bosses from the SaGa series, because again, you can't rely on a simple strategy, you must know how to adapt and make the best even in the worst case scenario, even if you literally tailored everything in the game for that very moment, that takes a lot of skill and knowledge of the games' system that simply can't be acquired by word of mouth or reading through a guide, also because there's no standard answer to RNG and weird patterns.
Feel free to not believe in what I just wrote.
>>382390602
>Meanwhile look at a game like 7th Saga
That's only really true for the american localization which fucked up the game horribly, the actual game is way easier.

>>382390712
There is an easy way to do it with only around 10 * level grims. But you need faffy and you have to reclass most of your other party members (IIRC it was FK, DH, DH, TR, and one other).

>>382391210

Best party right there.

>Draw

You already know what I'm referring to, aren't you?

>>382390340
I spammed Donald's fantasia during the last part of that fight on easy

>>382391434
I beat him as a mage. Didn't even know about the exploit until after because I triggered it by accident.

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>>382391346
>not using everyone
That combat system was fucking amazing, maybe my favorite in any jrpg.

>>382390832
>>382391294
What happened with 7th Saga and if I were to want to play it is there a patch that fixes the fuckups?

>>382384620
>Psst, nothing personal kid
>*regenerates*

>>382391653
The american version of the game largely decreases stat gains on level up compared to the original version of the game while also fucking up other stuff, there is a restoration patch online for those who aren't stupid enough to play through a literally broken game, because that's what it is, it's not hard, it's just utterly fucked up.

>>382390340
everyone stocked to the teeth with elixers/mega potions. I used limit forms sonic blade because it will restore a little life on each successful hit which keeps resetting once more. You have to be really proactive during the fight, when you go to combo use that one ability that lets you zig zag in the air with the berserker keyblade. You should get three-four bars normally doing this, I was at lvl.99 with 80atk but it seems he only really takes damage from combo chains.

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Bosses that can heal themselves should be outlawed.

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>>382391201
You find a little remote with a big red button and the character you're playing as says "I should save my game first" the first time you try to press it.

I think I did Smt:Noctunre's True Demon Ending on hard ( I know it was the second time I beat the game, but I do not remember if it was on hard), I remember grinding to get the three best demons and it still taking me at least two days to beat it.

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Yiazmat who?

>He flees and recovers all HP after 3 minutes unless you stagger him
>He can only be staggered 4 times, meaning you have 15 minutes to beat him at most
>On the hardest difficulty Aeronite has 57.5 million HP, 7.5 million more than Yiazmat
>Oh, and I hope you have either mastered dodging or have a perfect guard setup otherwise he can kill you at any time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z190ojQ2sz4

>>382391653
>Enemy stats buffed.
>Player character stat gains on level up nerfed; rival characters that scale with your level not affected by this.
>Once you hit a certain level, one of the rivals becomes unbeatable because he gets a spell that fully restores HP and MP that he can spam as much as he wants.

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>>382385213
I farmed 36 Ragnarok off this little bitch (one for every possible waiting guild member, one for each of my active party, and a spare).
Rate my autism.

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>>382384620
>steals water contract regularly
>poison breath is fucking ridiculous and it will sometimes do it twice in a row
>Hellfire instakill bullshit
>if you can't snag the Griffith's Ash in the marsh you have to fight it in the cave, which is pretty much physically impossible to win
Fucking asshole. The Infinity Branch is a better staff anyway, why is the Griffith's Ash so damn hard to get?

>>382388928
Is KH2's Sephiroth harder? I can't tell because I havent played the first game in a while and I cheesed with reflect in KH2. I was also like level 80.

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>>382392238
>Canada is best girl, eh

They're not wrong.

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he's not actually that hard, but it's the principle of the thing

>>382390592
It's likely it could be the other way around

>>382392687
KH2's Sephiroth is a rather predictable and not all that difficult. Sure, an unwisened player will have trouble, but if you're high level and used to KH2's mechanics thoroughly, he shouldn't be a challenge. KH1's Sephiroth came at the end of a long ass tournament and every single one of his attacks hit hard and come at you damn fast. He makes KH2's fight look like a joke.

And on the PS4 HD Remix version, the 60 FPS actually glitched some of his attacks, making them nigh impossible to dodge or avoid.

>>382392687
Lingering Will is bullshit for the sake of bullshit.

https://youtu.be/Tpaoh7eK9Rg

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>When the postgame boss can get initiative.

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Did anybody else here actually beat this thing?

>reflects everything during the first phase unless you augment
>tons of moves that kill you in one or two hits
>has a move that knocks down the ether resistance you built up to not get ass-blasted by those moves
>does spike damage on the ground cause why not
>also topples your skell on the ground and follows up with crazy strong electrical attack that's basically guaranteed to destroy your skell
>switches off between literal invincibility and extra power during the final phase
>all while regaining 27000 health every few seconds

>>382393224
Terra's armor is so evil he can attack you before the intro cutscene even finishes.

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>>382392732
Always the best

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Fuck this thing, hard as fuck if you play on No Future Mode.

>>382389301
>6 hours trying to time Freya's Jump so she's never take a hit while all the rest were stone fucking dead.

This is so autistic, but your friend is a retard for cornering himself. I don't think I could have done what you did, nice.

>>382388931
Wait, did I get spoiled?

Oh well, I didn't like the game that much anyway.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Tvoxc7cIK0

The amount of grind for this is insane, shit is on pair with Satan or Demifiend, and the long ass sessions don't help in anything.

>>382386525
I didn't like that they fucked the premise of the game on the second game .

First game:
>go to the mall with friends when the end of the world knocks on your door.
>have to sleep on a cemetery, look for food, shelter, bateries or your only way to fight demons dies, etc.
>Why is this happening and how to stop it/survive.

Second game:
>end of the world starts.
>inmediatly meet the military that provides you with shelter, protection and all the daily necesities.
>also they explain why the world is ending and that you can stop it by beating the angels.

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>>382393664
>No Future Mode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBaoMKoABlY

>>382393664
I remember back in the day giving up on my No Future playthrough at this guy. I gave up after fighting him for an hour straight, but because his health is tied to the little adds he dropped, and No Future mode giving everything a fuckton of health, it probably would have taken me another hour to win.

>>382392162
How much hp he has doesn't really matter though since there's a difference in dps between the two games

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>JRPG boss
>hard

You just need to grind.

Are you guys retarded?

>>382393018
>KH1's Sephiroth came at the end of a long ass tournament
Is this a change from FM or something? I remember you had to beat two other ??? opponents (rock and ice titan I think) before unlocking his fight.

>>382384620
>What's the single hardest boss you've ever fought in an RPG?

>>382386227
>People posting RPGs
Congratulations, you're a failure.

>>382392067
Actually, Ron pussies out of that if you go through with it. The game auto-saves just before you take the action.

>>382394114
>umaru poster
No, but you are.

>>382394114
>Hamsterposter calling anyone else retarded
No wonder you don't even play videogames.

>>382394106
Yes, but you have all the time in the world to fight Yiazmat what with a save point right outside his arena. Aeronite literally requires you to either master all of the mechanics of the game, or cheese the hell out of it while also being on a time limit. All Yiazmat requires is good enough gear, a proper gambit setup, and several hours of free time.

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>>382392574
>FURYU

>>382388527
Skeith was fucking easy though as long as you had any kinda debuff protection

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>>382394325
>>382394356
Not an argument.

EO stops being fun when your party gets good.

>>382394114
Many JRPGs implement anti-grinding measures that prevent the player from getting too powerful at any point.
For example, in >>382392574, you'll simply stop gaining stat increases from enemies depending on the level of the enemies.
Or in >>382385213, the boss is meant to be fought by a max level party and it crushes them with ease, and the player has no way of level grinding past it.

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>>382394114
>Souls boss
>hard

You just need to summon people.

Are you guys retarded?

>>382394375
God fucking dammit I never even thought of that.

That nigger prick Beldr

I spent 2 days on that bullshit

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>>382394507
>Monster Hunter boss
>hard

You just need to play World.

Are you guys retarded?

>>382390630
Wouldnt know, I cheesed the fuck out of the class system. Never got hit by anything after unlocking Sword Master and the one ability that nullifies ALL damage for a certain number of turns

>>382394637
Beldr is legitimately a pathetically easy boss and his gimmick isn't even that bad unless you statted your MC like a retard.
How did you have difficulty with it? Was it your first SRPG?

>>382394768
Beldr is easy as fuck long as you aren't a retard that kill every trashmob, keep the leaders alive and without mp.

Also, the damage scales with level, shit have nothing to do with str, if you are doing shit damage then you are underleved.

Why can't EOV come sooner? I want to play it now, damnit

>>382394939
Even if you're underleveled (is that even possible at that point of DeSu?) he's still rather easy. For a boss he has very low HP and is fairly weak. The map is filled with bottlenecks even if you go after the peons like an idiot, so it's not even hard there. They went out of their way to make the boss seem intimidating but be as beginner friendly and easy as possible.

>>382390724
>One game isn't better just because it relies on reflexes instead of information
It objectively is a better game by proxy that there isn't an easy eject button. It's why nobody speedruns Adventure Games. It's not impressive. Once you beat it, that's it. You can trivially beat it, and a child watching you can also trivially beat it. Same with RPGs.

Even then, most RPGs are outright beatable through just grinding and throwing your time away anyways. The bosses you speak of are all extra side-bosses that don't even impact game ending. You're puffing out your chest to make your wins seem more credible, but since there's that doubt that's always present, there's nothing impressive to see here.

>>382391294
When you attempted to dismiss muscle memory as "arcane mystery" instead of the true display of skill that it is.

>grinding? Don't think so.
See above.

>Feel free to not believe in what I just wrote.
I don't, because your very words even betray you. You must use skill? In an RPG? wat. You have to use knowledge? But you can't gain that through word of mouth or a guide? wat.

>>382395218
Must be hard being a brainlet redditor with too much time on your hands.

>>382395218
Why do you have to use a guide in the first place?

>>382395040
I hear it's even more casualized than 4, and I know the music sucks.

Still waiting for a fan-made difficulty hack of 4, that game was perfect in every other way.

>>382394115
Maybe i'm misremembering, then, or FM changed it.

>>382395478
Not an argument.

>>382395498
Oh, I don't, but even if I say that, who will believe me? If you don't doubt me even a little, you're frankly retarded.

Besides, you're also way overblowing information gathering powers within the game. As long as you know how a boss generally acts and have a good list on all the skills in the game, you can still beat any RPG boss with minimal effort and time. Like grinding for skills.

>>382393018
>>382395732
Sephiroth had his own separate fight, he wasn't at the end of any tournament.

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>>382389350
>if someone can just tell me the answer to a puzzle, it's not a hard puzzle

>>382396076
Technically, he was at the end of a tournament, in the sense that you had to beat the other tournament cups in order to get the right to challenge him.

>>382390613
>>382390676
>>382390789

It warms my heart that so many people recognized a VP game.

>>382389815
turn-based games are not viable for competitive play therefore chess is shit

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>>382384620
It was extremely difficult unless you cheese him. He has no weakness, he uses all your weapons against you and he fucking has so much health and special abilities it's a match of patience and using items precisely at the right time

>>382384620
What game?

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>>382395835
>Not an argument.
Why would I waste my time on someone who evidently has no idea of what he's talking about and flatly refuses to get out of his pathetic comfort zone? On /v/ moreover.
You're a brainlet, Anon, and a redditor too.
Now get off the internet.

>>382394114
Well, for example, the boss in the OP has an instant kill attack, and you can't really grind to overcome that (only some demons are immune to the attack, and your character can be immune by wearing certain armors)

>>382388928
>BBS extra bosses
whoever designed those should be beheaded, every extra boss before those was fair

>>382396310
SMT STRANGE JOURNEY

>>382396313
>Why would I waste
Stopped reading there.

>>382384740
only correct answer

>>382393783
That's okay the story and characters are retarded.

>>382388486
EO3 Elder Dragon can hit 10k with Super Nova as well

>>382396310

Doom: Japan Edition

>>382388530

There's no hard boss in Chrono Cross. The game is so easily cheesable that I managed to break it when I was 8.

CC's combat system in general is a mess

>>382394425
holy fuck you need to die right now. Fuck off back to your containment board.

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>>382396310

>>382396390
Thanks for confirming my impression that you're a close minded ignorant brainlet, brainlet.
Why don't you go talk to yourself in front of a mirror instead of wasting hours of your life in here?

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>>382384740
>take my turn
>she takes her turn and nearly kills everyone
Jesus, it felt good getting the pace of that fight right and finally beating it.
https://youtu.be/07SR4mexs0A

>>382396735
>Thanks for confirming
Yawn. Post hidden.

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>>382390602
While the actual combat is a matter of luck so long as you don't go full retard on party composition, that was only part of what made Wizardry games such a nutpunch. The games' arcane and obsessively cruel design extends way beyond the combat.

Take an example from Wizardry 4. This is a map of B6F, "The Realm of the Whirling Dervish". Each of those dots at the intersections is a spinner. That is to say, when you reach an intersection, you will randomly be oriented down any one of the four hallways it connects to, with no visual indication of which one you have been directed down. In fact, there's no animation or sound effect for hitting a spinner, so unless you've know they're there you won't even realize you've been spun. You can walk in an apparently straight line and never see the same wall twice. And if you figured you'd navigate by the edge, well good luck because there is no outer wall, you just loop back around. Most of the doors on the wall are fake and designed specifically to keep you from navigating by landmark. The actual exit is surrounded by teleporters, and the only way to actually reach it is to know where the teloporters are and use them in the correct orientation, so no stumbling dickfirst into the exit, you need to map this shit out.

Just trying to navigate this floor is a nightmare, and it's practically required to spend hours mapping out the layout of this monstrosity with the one spell that gives your coordinates. This is Wizardry in a nutshell: not merely challenging, but pointlessly cruel.

>>382396632
>>382396690
I still want a Strange Journey mod of DOOM. Considering all the other mods the game gets I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.

>>382396257
C'mon, he wasn't that hard. I beat him without any real strategy other than "heal and revive with items" when I was 12.

>>382396872
it's because weebs don't want to play "inferior" western games.

>>382385213
Superbosses in most of the EO games use skills in a set pattern if I remember correctly. Does this one do that? I remember I suffered horribly with the EO3 one because he becomes random halfway through and has "1shot your entire team if you hit me this turn" counter abilities.

>>382396942
That's because you played the nerfed version. He doesn't even have his hi ougis

Etrian 4, please tell me how it's possible to kill the Savior without using he chemicals? It's the one thing I could not do.

Also, Devil Survior. I just looked at that boss and wrote it off as bullshit. Would rather deal with a fighting game boss anyday.

>>382396986

Yeah, Ur-Devil mostly follows a pattern but still has some "pray the RNG doesn't fuck you in the ass" moments.

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>>382388928
*Turns Invisible*
*Stun Locks You*
*Instant Death Combo*
*pshhh Nothin personal kid

>>382397056
What exactly is the nerfed version? I played the original Gamecube release and I don't remember him being challenging at all outside of needing to use some life bottles.

>>382397575
Nerfed isn't really the right word to use. He got buffed in the updated releases of the game.

>>382397575
The one you played. US release was easy as fuck.

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> Upon its introduction into Final Fantasy XI, more than 36 players marathon fighting Pandemonium Warden for 18 hours were unable to defeat it. They were forced to retire after members of the party started to become physically ill; after such a prolonged period of gaming, they began to faint and vomit, creating news reports to be filed in argument of the game's User Message present at every login, which states that Square Enix "...does not wish to see [their players'] lives..." suffer as a result of extensive play. Following the 18 hour attempt, the monster (along with Absolute Virtue) was patched to only have a spawn time of two hours, and its overall difficulty was significantly decreased — if not beaten within that time, it despawns and vanishes

>>382397503

>literally can't do shit while when you're mashing square

yeah real hard bucko

Unless you're Terra, then good luck buddy

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>>382397761
the difference between PW and AV is this: Nobody was able to beat AV legit until the level cap was removed, PW was beaten legit before level 80 update. SE flat out said this when they patched the exploit and released the "strategy" video

>>382396961
But DOOM already has some weeb mods. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RElfXigIe4c

>>382396791
>hiding a post you already read

you sure showed him

In terms of normal bosses, Mem Aleph in Strange Journey is the hardest I've encountered. Honorable mention to YHVH in Apocalypse on the edgy route, almost as good as big momma.

>>382397761
>>382398271
Didn't the devs of these games ban people who beat it if they thought their method was "illegitimate?" Why would anyone even play a game with an unbeatable boss that could get you banned for trying to do so?

>>382388995
>>382389651
>>382396859
Why even fucking play it? There's a point where the challenge of it all goes from "difficult" to "fucking unfair." Why waste your time on shit devised to make you lose unless you walk in knowing the answers, or better yet, something that only lets you win when the rng decides that it's time to throw you a bone?
Coming from /tg/ I just don't understand why you'd play with a virtual GM that would intentionally feed you unclear and misleading information that makes you lose the game. Back on /tg/ we call that "being a massive fucking faggot" or more simply, being "That Guy."

>>382400059
There's probably a weird aspect of realism and respect to it, this idea that a real dungeon WOULD probably be that fucking cruel and hardcore if they genuinely wanted to keep people out, and that life itself is by design unfair.

So if you do manage to beat it, you are struck by the awe of "Damn, if I was a wizard in this universe, I could have actually this complex and completely horseshit arcane garbage."

It's the difference between going through an easy puzzle or even simply solving an int check and being congratulated on your smarts, OR genuinely going through some difficult shit only an actually cunning wizard would be able to get through after all kinds of effort and getting basically no reward. The reward is the fact that you just did some cunning wizard shit, and you don't need to be told.

>>382399559
yes, I played on Titan and some high profile members of a certain endgame shell got banned for doing the glitch that lets you enter Salvage being under the party requirement which also exploits Cell drops. Pretty sure one of them had a recently completed Burtgang as well

>>382400059
1. Because there was very little else at the time
2. The culture of the time was to treat cRPGs not straightforward experiences, but as puzzles to be solved. It was expected that players would be starting over dozens to hundreds of times, mapping out every floor on graph paper, trying out every possibility that might lead to progression. These games were supposed to last weeks or months to an experienced player. The more hideously intricate and obscure the game, the longer it took to solve and the greater the satisfaction from solving it.
3. PCs at the time were only available to relatively wealthy people, mostly adults, who had some amount knowledge at a point in time where you had to actually know quite a bit about computers to use one. The target audience for these games was people who had a lot of time on their hands and were willing to put up with a lot of bullshit.

>>382387531
fucking this man. i stopped playing this game for like 3 years because of this boss

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>>382400059
You don't understand because you probably learned D&D from 3rd edition, or worse still, 5th edition. That isn't a shot at the rulesets, moreso the mentality they had. 5th edition is afraid to hurt the players, and one of the tenets of modern day tabletop gaming is "people should aim for fun and be happy!", which of course leads to terrible mistakes such as narrative roleplaying experiences and the X-card.

Back in the 70s and 80s, gamers were made of more leaner stuff. Ultimately, the purpose of a game is the challenge. A mentally ill person who derives enjoyment from tackling such challenges, that's what a real gamer is meant to be. What you're witnessing isn't the result of a twisted DM mind. Not fully. This is just old school D&D. The OSR style. Where shit just existed and all characters even at the "god levels" were very, VERY mortal. I'm talking shit like "Save vs. Poison, if you fail you're dead". None of this "stat damage" or damage over time nonsense. Even if it was a poison needle on a chest on the first level, you fuck that save up, good bye.

Wizardry 4 came about when the fans of Wizardry 1-3 complained that the games were too easy, son.

>>382388121
Oh gawd. That guy. SMT can be fucking ridiculous.

>>382400634
soul hackers has the flakiest combat of any smt i've played.

>>382386227
>anti-rpg shitposters are literally unable to read
That makes sense, but somehow it never occurred to me.

>>382385625
This thread seems to be proving that ATLUS knows how to make us rage.

>>382400951
You never played the older SMT games?

>>382386323
So this time the JP version is easier???

>>382396872
there was some guy from /smtg/ working on it, but he decided to drop it

>>382400634
when the FUCK are we getting another raidou game

>>382386347
Remember that elevator boss in OoE?

>>382400758
This.

I like to imagine that I would have been a gamer if I was around back then, but in truth, I probably wouldn't have been.

The fact of the matter is that there's a reason the gamer stereotype as an intelligent, broken autist existed and is now fading away; it used to be true, and now it really isn't.

>>382401057
no.

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>>382401120
>>382396872
The graphics are the hard part, no one wants to draw demons walking, attacking, etc. in 8 directions

>>382387406
Literally takes an hour of perfection.

>>382388793
Be prepared mate. You prepping up for Strange Journey Redux?

>>382401448
It's my first SMT actually

>>382398271
Didn't the "strategy" they wanted you to use require knowing the inputs of the boss to specifically counter it? Which is cheating and also a bannable offense?

>>382400758
>narrative in my game is bad!
>anyone who isn't a masochist isn't a gamer!
Go back to the nursing home, you grumpy old man. They'll be able to better take care of your Alzheimer's there.

>>382391653
Don't know if you're still around but yes, there is a patch that almost fixes all of the screw ups. Look up something like 7th Sage Elnard US fix, or something like that.

Although I don't know why someone just doesn't translate patch the JP version to fix all of the problems.

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>>382400758
>5e worse than 3e

>>382393838
I still feel betrayed by ATLUS, desu...

>>382401650
Anon provides reasonable response.
>Y-y-you're just an old fart!!!
Summer everyone.

EVEN IN A SHIT GAME

F.O.E

>>382396310
Shin Megami Tensei. Perfect RPG series IMO. You may be familiar with the spinoff known as Persona.

>>382391919
Had to cheese this with the time stop badge. Had him instantly die the moment his head was vulnerable.

>>382394425
It is a pretty compelling argument, seeing how you are proving Umaruposters retarded faggotry by not reading the god damn thread.

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>attacks 3 times per turn
>status effects and AoE
>healers can't keep up
>need rare S ranks at level 100 with the right equipment or cheese, or damage dealers die in 1 hit

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>>382401917

*spawns on the map and joins the battle you're in*

fuck these guys

>>382396191
Same here man. This and SMT are getting tons of deserved love in this thread.

>>382401120
What a fag

>>382401531
Nice, man! I've been playing the games since SMT2 on SFC in the 90s. You've got a lot of fun ahead of you. If you can tell me what you like about Strange Journey so far, I can give you a recommendation for your 2nd game?

>>382402167
I'm surprised it took this long to start posting EO guro

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>>382384620
Nukes my ass every time

>>382402148
>Posting SMT rip-off.

>>382402678
More SMT :D

>>382401141
Never. ATLUS hates us, desu.

>>382402148
>tfw I have never played a YW game in my life but I recognize Kat Kraydel from all the bitching about it

>>382384620
Ouroboros is bad.
>>382384740
MA
A

Is clearly the superior boss in SJ alone.

>>382401719
In terms of expected mental and egotistical stability, I mean. If you're talking about design philosophy or overall balance in general, 5e beats 3e like it owes it money. But 5e is terrified to put players in a harmful position, so it does everything it possibly can to skew things in the player's favor preventing them from suffering actual meaningful loss, is what I mean.

>>382402148
Also can confuse half the party at once and deals damage of random element so there's no reliable way to defend against it.

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>>382385625
i think you posted wrong boi

>>382388121
What a Joke to beat.

>>382403914
DEMI'S BACK BABYYYY

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>>382404303

the final part of ninja gaiden non black or hurricane edition was legit impossible

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>>382384740
I hope they don't nerf this bitch in Deep Strange Journey. I managed to fight my way through the rest of the game but I used password demons for her. I want my revenge.

>>382384620
That fucking polygon crystal horse in Atelier Iris 1, I've never had more trouble with anything ever than I did with that fucking thing, I was already slightly overleveled when I reached it then I had to grind another 7 hours on shitty mobs that gave almost no exp the entire time just to not get 1shot by him so I could burn through enough top tier craft items I'd been saving all game to kill him before he raped me.