>remorselessly kill like 5000 cops and innocent people either

>>382349569
>cry like a baby and be like 'I-IM JUST NOT SURE :'(' when given the choice to kill the guy he's been hunting for decades

confirmed never played

shit thread, fuck off spastic.

>>382349706
Just finished probably my 5th playthrough or some shit, don't try and pretend Niko is some kind of deep character. His whole deal is he is chasing a guy who killed his pals for money, while he funds his chase by killing people for money.

It's a great game but Niko isn't the super rich personality people try and make him out to be on here.

>>382349569
Rockstar cant write.

pretty sure GTA protags have always had a case of "only missions are canon"

>>382350284
No, Rockstar can't into pacifist runs.

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>If we kill him we'll be just like him

is it gay if i want to marry niko?

>>382350648

This p much. Open world games always have some level of gameplay/story disassociation. GTA IV didn't really give a fuck what you did outside of the story. GTA V tried its best to justify most things but obviously FIB witness protection shouldn't protect you against murdering 300 people with RPGs.

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The game is about Niko being a hypocritic piece of shit who exchanged one hell hole for another.

>>382349706
Roman convinces him that the guy he was hunting for was already dead inside and that killing him would be pointless because it wouldn't change anything other than Niko having more blood on his hands story wise, because at least he was confronted for his sin

>>382352714
>guy kills every taxi driver he's ever been driven by
>kills prostitutes after fucking them to get his cash back
>randomly stabs people, before starting a mission and losing his police attention
>has a hissy fit about killing one guy

>>382353356
Niko doesn't do that though anon, YOU did that

>>382352040
summer

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>>382349569

That's just another example of Ludonarrative dissonance you tool!

He's good at it

Also he feels a pity for Darko because how pathetic he's become

>>382353651
One that R* tackled head on with V but divided efforts between SP and Online so we're missing a proper second act and it's all rushed
Benzies really fucked it up with online.

>>382352040
This is true.

>>382349569
If you get drunk with Michelle a couple of times he'll admit he does what he does because it's fun.

So yes, Niko is actually a psychopath.

I remember I found GTAIV so depressing I uninstalled it when it eventually got released to PC. The series always makes a point of showing how anyone in universe is a stereotype in one way or another, parodying dipshit behaviour and trends so you never had any real qualms murdering people. The problem with IV however was it didn't stand above any of it. There was no lightheartedness nor end of the tunnel showing a better way so the whole thing was swimming in it's cesspool of cynicism.

>>382354585
All Serbians are psychopaths, literally the scariest race on Earth.

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>>382354651
The grey colour pallet they went with also doesn't help.

Whatever happens outside of cutscenes is not canon, silly.

>>382354651
>brucie

>>382354651
>>382355128
It was even worse in TLAD. Now that was a depressing game.

>>382354651
Ironically, IV is probably the most heartwarming game in the series. The other GTA always filled with Houser's usual "haha isn't this ironic" writing but IV got some heart on the writing. The mission where you help the junkie girl get home is probably one of my favorite moments on the game because despite how cliche it was, it was surprising in a game called Grand Theft Auto. Not to mention, Niko and Roman got their good ending as proven on V easter egg.

If you want depressing shit, TLAD outdid IV by miles. They really fucking hate The Lost.

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>>382355456
Seeing the ending of that DLC and knowing what happens to Johnny makes it more gut wrenching

>>382354651
>There was no lightheartedness
>game begins with your drunken cousin telling you how much he like tits

>>382355469
I agree anon. While I don't think GTA IV is perfect, I like how they tried something different in their approach to writing. Looking at GTA V in comparison, the game barely makes me laugh, and the ironic writing feels very try hard and in your face all the time. The characters felt realer and more interesting in IV, not always, but I felt somewhat invested in Roman and Niko's lives. In comparison, Michael was the only one in V with any real depth, and even that felt squandered.

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>>382355539
>you can kill yourself on your own. Goodbye, Ashley.

>>382355469
>Not to mention, Niko and Roman got their good ending as proven on V easter egg.
But didn't Roman die at some point of IV? Or is that an alternate ending? It's been a while since I played it.

>>382356507
If you pick the money he dies, if you choose revenge instead, the girl gets killed, you kill Dimitri and the other guy whose name I don't remember, the canon ending for me at least, I couldn't possibly care for the girl as much as I cared about roman

>>382355907
The strength of IV's writing lays on the characters rather on the plot. They're so likeable that you want to care about them. I remembered hating IV when I was younger but loving it now because the characters are so interesting and well written compared to other games in the series.

V dropped the ball hard since none of the characters are likeable at all. They're all annoying, insufferable, and trying so hard to be funny and degenerates. The only character I like was Packie for fuck's sake.
>>382355539
>>382356192
>Thought that TLAD ending was bittersweet because at least Johnny finally can move on from the MC shit
>V happened
>>382356507
Revenge ending is canon, so Roman lives

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>>382356870
>>382356949
>Could've saved Roman the whole time
Godamnit anons why did you not tell me sooner?

>>382357036
>choosing to deal with Dimitri instead of capping his ass
You pathetic cunt

>>382355539
Fuck Trevor, just fuck Trevor. I still don't know why they felt the need to do that to Johnny; it didn't benefit anyone and you could have written the game without it. It was a pointless sequence only meant for shock value.

>>382357036
>picking the money
Why? There is no use for it in gta IV, holy shit, ijust wanted to break Dimitri's neck the whole game, and god knows I enjoyed shooting him with the shotgun

>>382356949
What if I liked the characters of V ice City better?

>>382349569
Canonically the number of murders he commits throughout the story is in the single digits. Not arguing with any of your other points, just wanted to put that out.

>>382357783
Vice City is always overrated in my eyes

Maybe I need to play it again sometimes

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Did he deserve it?

>>382354651
>all the black people are crackheads

but anon that's how it the city really is

>>382354651
But it's good because it's serious. In GTA V it's much worse because the characters act out in retarded ways with basically no motivation. Michael's life is fine, why does he need to start killing people? Franklin is just a dull character in general so no point wasting words on him. Edgelord Trevor is clearly the dumbest shit Rockstar ever pulled.

I'd rather have a cast of characters who act impulsively because it seems best to them at the time than a bunch of morons who just wonder into situations and decide whelp, now I'll start shooting.

GTA IV had Roman, Brucie, Little Jacob, Patrick, Dwayne and ULP. A whole series of characters with interesting motivations who would discuss with you moral questions and their boundaries. Little Jacob would talk about is addiction, Paddie would talk about his history (in so doing foreshadowing up to the opportunity to kill him or Francis) Dwayne would yes, say a lot of depressing shit, but it was still very well voice acted and I always wanted to listen to what he had to say. Brucie of course is always fun when he's on screen, and ULP makes a great mysterious helper character.

I played all the way through GTAV. I can't name a single non-main character and I almost forgot Franklins name when writing this. The game was about nothing except lampooning American west coast culture, which I agree is stupid but I don't give a shit about it enough to play a whole game about it. GTA IV was that much more turn of the century and global - Terrorism, the mob and so on. I have no idea how someone can contend that GTAV is a better game.

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>>382356870
>you kill Dimitri

>shooting dimitri in both knees, then blasting him in the head before he's even finished his scream

Brutal.

>>382349957
>>382350284
read>>382350648

>>382358638
V had such a forgettable plot it's hilarious. Who was the antagonist again?

playboy or dwayne?

>>382357036
>Not putting a Desert Eagle round through Dimitri's leg and watching him scream in agony for half a second before blowing his brains out.

You fucked up.

>>382358638
> Edgelord Trevor is clearly the dumbest shit Rockstar ever pulled.
The worst part is that I actually like him in comparison to Michael and Franklin. Franklin is boring and Michael is an asshole. Beyond all the tryhard of Trevor, at least he calls out Michael on his bullshit and genuinely cares about him. Maybe I'm just so sick of Michael that it makes Trevor seem good to me but when I played I actually sided far more with Trevor when he wasn't being "LOL SO WHACKY RANDUM"

>>382350648
yeah dude no one died during gta4 missions

>>382349957
Confirmed for either young, dumb, or both

>>382359195
Kill Playboy every time because that Claude outfit, house before Roman buys that one, and Dwayne has the niggas back you up.

>>382349569
I have no idea why /v/ even remotely likes GTA IV. It was objectively the worst GTA ever, every mission was "go to red dot, kill red dot" and there was nothing to do outside of missions besides bowling.

The game was severely lacking content and the story/characters where boring and dull.

It belongs into the trash

>>382357783
They had actual actors like Ray Liotta so its understandable. A fair choice.

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>>382355128
>>382354651
Welcome to new york, you little bitches

>mfw I play this to go back to the good old days

>>382359308
Michael is indeed an asshole, but the idea that Trevor isn't is just weird.

>>382359141
>the last mission where you need to kill 4 people for some reason
>2 of them are barely counted as villains
>the other 2 are literal who
Man fuck V's plot
>>382359195
It's always Playboy. The game is just BEGGING for you to kill that idiot.

>>382349569
Killing cops and innocent people isn't canon

>>382359308
>>382359649
Trevor is at least what he is without apologies. Michael is a whiny half-assed criminal who never takes responsibility for any of his horrible actions and then wonders why his life is so shit.

Niko is similar to Michael, actually, but has a much shittier life backing him up.

https://youtu.be/GbGfU0DVXNk?t=5378

elizabeta and manny's final scene was probably the most shocking for me in the series, since i wasn't reading into their storylines or anything


linked it for entertainment

>>382359675
While they could have used more screen time, I don't think they "barely" count as villains. The Triads almost had Michael killed and Stretch set up Franklin/Lamar multiple times throughout the game.

>>382359543
SA has far more side shit but I look at IV as a better version of III because it had so much technology and pushed hardware.

>Air hockey
>Darts
>Base jumping
>Gang warfare
>Bikes and bats
>Pool
>Darts
>Golf

V has some of those but it doesn't have all of them and that multiplayer sharkcard shit killed any possible singleplayer dlc.

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>>382359842
GTA IV still has the best intro of last gen. It's pure kino.

Fucking debate me, nerds.

>>382359871
Stretch literally only appears once

>>382359543
Personally gameplay-wise, it let the most annoying aspects of GTA shine while having the least amount of freedom. Plus the cell phone system ringing every 30 seconds made me drop the game for Saints Row 2(which came out around the same year I think). Story-wise it was charming to an extent.

>>382359195
I've played through this game countless time and I've never killed dwayne once, the first time i saw playboy i instantly wanted to put a bullet in his head.

>Buy the complete GTA 4 collection on Blu Ray for PS3 for $20
>I've heard great things about this surely it must be amazing
>By the time the game finished loading I already lost interest
>Get like 2 missions in
>Game permanently soft locks and won't load any more missions
wew

>>382349569
>>382359543
because muh deep Russian MC

>>382360017
Well, yeah, I just said he could use more screentime. He was very much behind half of
Franklin/Lamar's problems, though.

>>382358638
It's Derrick you have to kill, but if you hang out with Packie enough he'll tell you he believes Derrick probably actually was a rat.

I had no choice but to kill Derrick. You can't trust a guy who would rat on his comrades to save himself. Plus, he's a fucking junkie, similar to Darko, really. Francis was an asshole but he's so oblivious to the damage he does it's hard to hate him, even if he sucks as a human being, you get the sense life will punish him in the end. Derrick just needed to be put out of his misery, and if you call back Francis before the hit, he'll give you a money boost.

>>382349569
wow, its almost like when emotions are involved in an action, it can be difficult to go through with it!

>>382359871
Stretch is literally who. I was surprised when Michael has to kill him because I legit forgot who the fuck that nigga is. He has zero impact on the plot, much like every single characters from Franklin's story are.

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>>382360093
>Russian

>>382359324
I managed to keep my kill count around 200 once for an entire playthrough. It's really not that bad for a GTA game, come on.

That said, I hope the next protagonist is a bit more psycho, and not like Trevor.

I've said it in other threads but a a Tony Montana character would do.

>>382353356
If that's how you play GTAIV you obviously don't give a shit about the story anyway. At least they give you the freedom to ignore it without punishing you.

Same thing for John Marston in Red Dead. It makes no sense to allow you to kill innocents while playing as him but i'd rather that than not have the option

>>382360238
Isn't Tommy literally supposed to be Tony Montana?

>>382360051
>picking SR over GTA
>EVER

You can leave now.

>>382359324
boy u dumb

>>382359543
Because it has great, polished mechanics and god tier atmosphere.

GTA IV is western version of Shenmue.

>>382354737
Scariest, no, fucked, yes

>>382357309
because GTA world is an unhappy place. TLAD was about addiction and ultimately Johnny couldn't break free before it killed him

>>382360358
Pretty much.

I don't mean a ripoff of Tony, but somebody of that same temperament so I can steal cars and shoot people randomly sometimes and not feel too out of character.

>>382360051
Ah, a fellow redditor *tips hat*

Good day to you, sir! Saints Row 'tis a fine series indeed!

>>382360687
What I mean is, I want to play an actual bad guy. They even made Trevor likable sometimes. Not necessary. Let me play as a despicable piece of shit.

>>382360204
Russian, Ukrainian, Bulgarian whatever

>going on mission with little Jacob
>im watching his back as he goes in for a deal
>shit goes sour
>concrete jungle by marley starts playing as I run over some Jamaicans in the cool new york rain
>we drive away into the night, not really caring what happened and who we killed
>that atmosphere
Fuck, this game is kino

>>382356949
Actually, scratch that. There's one original character from V that I like and that is Dave. He's legit just want to help the protags because he's in the same shit as them. I got used to by V's writing where every characters get some shady twist and expect Dave to betray them, but he sticks with them to the end. Man, I love Dave.

Whenever I play IV, out of respect for Niko's characterization, I avoid all unnecessary kills, avoid massacres, stay faithful to my current girlfriend, etc. Aside from accidentally running over a couple of pedestrians and some stray bullets, my hands are clean of the blood of civilians for the entire game.

>>382349569
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfZRQaAmI7c

pure kino

>>382359543
Reminder that people only started praising IV when V came out, before it was universally rated as the worst game in the series.

>>382361187
I always loved it.

>>382361167
at least post the whole scene

>How much do you charge to kill someone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlhrdXoQ_k4

>>382361187
>this meme again

Some of us have been defending GTA4 since it came out. I've been on its side since 2008.

>>382360851
I think a better character is one that is likeable, but also is remorseless in the way you describe. That way, we want to stick with them, even through all these horrible deeds.

>>382361249
Same, I've always placed GTA IV behind San Andreas, but it's always been a great title.

>>382360359
>>382360759

Fuck off underages. Around the time both games were release, people generally preferred Saints Row 2 over the fact that more effort was placed into it.

GTAIV's graphics looked like dogshit, even for it's time period while SR2 used their graphics as their main market. Not to mention SR2 had more shit to do which actually flowed well with the main gameplay while GTAIV was literally Wii Sports disguised as a 3rd person shooter

All GTAIV had over SR2 was the story.

>>382350648
It worked in older GTAs because the world was inherently ridiculous. All parts of modern GTA induce that kind of dissonance since the story and characters present themselves as serious while you're wackily killing people all day long indiscriminately

>>382360851
You want to play as Not Important.

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Who is the worst protagonist, Franklin or Luis?

>>382361337
And I've been against it since in my opinion it removed the parts that made SA fun to begin with.

>pretty much no customization for Niko, barely any clothes, no hairstyle/beard changes
>movement as well as driving feels wobbly as fuck
>shooting and ragdolls are more annoying than anything
>very forgettable quests and storylines

GTA IV had the best intro in the whole series. Best cinematography, writing, character establishment and that godtier soundtrack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF7xW0pHeEo

>>382361384
>All parts of modern GTA induce that kind of dissonance since the story and characters present themselves as serious while you're wackily killing people all day long indiscriminately
I actually felt it was out of character for both Tommy and Carl to go on shooting sprees for no reason. Tommy only kills people who stand in his way or betray him somehow. Same thing for Carl, really. Trevor and Claude are to date the only characters I can see shooting people for no reason. And Claude is a stretch because he doesn't have a personality and is motivated by revenge.

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>>382361560
My man.

>>382359996

>>382361472
Franklin, luis at least does it for his mom, frank is a greedy irredeemable piece of shit that wants everything handed out to him.

>>382361481
>And I've been against it since
Okay, good for you. What does that have to do with our discussion?

>>382361472
Franklin obviously. Not only that he's shit but also he's Rockstar attempt to rebrand CJ for modern audiences, and CJ is still a more interesting character than him.

>>382361337
San Andreas > GTA V >>> GTA IV

Sorry, I like my GTA games to have actual customization and map variety.

San Andreas
>fly warplanes, jets and attack helicopters
>drive literal tanks
>customize cars (fenders, bumpers, spoilers, exhaust, etc)
>bicycles
>use crazy weapons like chainguns, flamethrowers and dildos
>get haircuts
>cities, deserts, wildernesss, backwoods, secret military base, etc

V
>fly warplanes, jets and attack helicopters
>drive literal tanks
>customize cars (fenders, bumpers, spoilers, exhaust, etc)
>bicycles
>get haircuts
>big city, desert, mountains, backwoods, secret military base

IV
>can't fly any planes
>can fly two aircraft with weapons
>can't customize cars at all (just hope you get the paintjob you want and PnS)
>can buy generic clothes from three shops
>no bicycles
>no haircuts
>no crazy weapons
>generic industrial map with highrises
>no map variety

>>382361765
The game is simply average. Tell me what's so good about it besides "muh technology" which has no impact on the overall game quality.

>>382361621
I'm talking about the missions, pretty much everyone Tommy kills were standing in his way or had betrayed him. None of the classic GTA games including Vice City and San Andreas ever made taking a life a central part of their plot or characters.

>>382361472
Franklin, Luis is a believable tough guy Dominican making money, and he's likeable, Franklin is just a preaching black man saying things a white man presumably from UK thinks a black man would say, and his voice is annoying as fuck and always stays in the exact same tone.

What do you have against Luis?

>>382361712
>frank is a greedy irredeemable piece of shit that wants everything handed out to him.
I suppose that's why he asked Michael for help and proved himself to be the most competent heist member in the story.

>>382361837
it seems you both are impressed and turned off by very shallow things.

>>382361841
>characters
Or protags, rather

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>>382349569
>spare the guy
>get in the car with Roman while the guy runs like bitch
>Roman tells me I did the right thing
>run the guy over with my car as he's running away
>Roman starts freaking out

TECHNOLOGY?!

>>382361837
>The game is simply average.

This has nothing to do with our original discussion of "people didn't defend this game until recently"

I think it's great. You think it's average. There's not much else here to discuss.

>>382361472
Franklin was a whiny bitch.
On top of that he was the biggest hypocrite in the game. He tells other blacks in his hood to not be a leech to society, but he spends hours upon hours of gameplay leeching off of Michael and Trevor.
They should've made Lamar the 3rd main character.

>>382361712
He doesn't really want everything handed to him. He likes working. The difference here being is that he likes working as a criminal. He doesn't want to get out of the hood to do better in life; he's still a scumbag punk, he just wants to make actual money rather than shooting at people for wearing different colors.

>>382360075
Sounds like either your PS3 is dying or your disc is bad. I never had that issue what-so-ever. And my PS3 is old, and it runs it just fine.

>>382349569
Literally a brainlet who didn't understand Niko was supposed to be a flawed character who was so used to killing it was nothing to wipe out hundreds of nameless goons while still being caught off-guard by the reality of being able to get revenge for his friends

>>382361970
You can give arguments about why you think the game is great, for one.

>>382361423
Nah, I already said Tony Montana is my choice.

Latter season Tony Soprano or Walter White are also good choices, personality-wise. I just choose Montana since an explosive personality fits the gameplay better.

>>382361980
how did he leech off of anyone exactly

>>382361801
Customization is not what GTA is about, go play dress-up with dolls, you mentally ill retard.

Vice City >>> the rest

>>382361871
>>382362016
Anon obviously just hates black people

GTA4's story was shit, it went full dark mode to appeal to storyfags like the faggots unironically praising this game over 5.

>>382358638
I remember a mission as Michael where you're hung upside down by the Chinese. The entire time I kept thinking "what the fuck is even going on? Who are these people?"
V's story is a clusterfuck

>tfw finished IV twice
>both times couldn't let Roman die

>>382362134
>Michael and Trevor are fighting so I can't use their skills they taught me to do a heist on my own
>Out of money
>"AHH HELP ME LESTER!"

>>382361801
How is gta 4 map generic, it's literally all I'd new york city you stupid faggot

>>382362073
Anon, you do realize there's a Scarface game

>>382362073
But Walter Wait and Tony Montana have redeemable qualities. More redeemable than Trevor.

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>>382362073
Or maybe a silent tough guy like Robert De Niro in GoodFellas. On first watch you think he's just the middleman, but really when you look closer he's almost as psychotic as Joe, or Tommy.

>>382362239
How was it shit?

>>382362140
VC is even worse than IV you butt

>>382361367
All you've done is prove you were born after 1995. Saints Row 2 was not 'generally preferred'. Reddit as fuck.

>>382362339
You're stupid af
He was just learning the ropes and had more experience as a driver, he's not stupid enough to go off on his own heists, and lester told him to contact him for work so again you're stupid.

Don't bother responding to me I have no more interest in your stupidity

>>382362424
Terribly underrated gem.

>>382362445
I guess. By the end, Walter was pretty evil and snake-like. Manipulative scumbag up until Hank died. Montana is like an angry child throwing a tantrum more than anything.

>>382362053
Not looking to change any minds, but okay.

>The storyline felt more complete and less rushed
>The map size, while smaller, felt like there was less wasted space
>Proportionately had more interiors
>Driving physics were far more satisfying
>Enemy NPCs weren't aimbots
>Enemy NPCs couldn't hit Niko with headshots
>Cops were not psychic
>The APC in TBoGT does a better job of being a Rhino than the actual Rhino in V

>>382362525
True anon, true

>>382362424
Yeah, it was called "Grand Theft Auto, Vice City", right?

Also,
SA > VC = VCS = LCS > III = V = TBOGT > IV = TLAD

>>382362339
He pulled his own weight, was the only member of the team that could work as a reliable assassin for Lester, and is the only reason Michael and Trevor aren't dead.

If being a reliable ride or die motherfucker is being a leech, I need more leeches in my life.

>>382362656
>the only reason Michael and Trevor aren't dead
Nigger he literally killed Michael in the end.

>>382362656
Franklin gets a lot of shit because he was unfairly set up to be compared to CJ, who's basically a cartoon character and fun as fuck, not to mention the protagonist of the best and most fondly remembered GTA game.

>>382362450
Grimdark stories absolutely don't fit GTA
The fact that your protag laments about his wartime when you can shamelessly kill innocent civilians is stupid. It's also not fun.
There's a reason why GTAs mostly used arcade stories.

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>>382362787
>Nigger he literally killed Michael in the end.
>Picking the shitty ending.

We're done here.

>>382362787
>Option 3: The Third Way

>>382349569
A man of contradictions.

>>382362830
Franklin gets shit because no one on the internet understands the concept of a "straight man"

>>382362846
I'll agree that they shouldn't have half-assed it, and I hope they get a better balance in the next game, but taking the game out of context from the rest of the series, it's still pretty great. The grimness of it still fits if you have a dark sense of humour. In a way, I feel it made it better.

San Andreas is still my favourite because it has the most consistent GTA-vibe to it, along with VC (which I still haven't gotten that far into.)

>>382362787
>he killed off one of the playable characters
HAHAHAHHAHA

>>382362854
that's the canon ending implied by rockstar

>>382357036
Cкaжи мнe, Maмa, cкoлькo cтoит мoя жизнь
Moя жизнь - этo дpaмa, мoя дyшa нeceтcя ввыcь
Cкaжи мнe, Maмa, cкoлькo cтoит мoя жизнь
Moя жизнь - этo дpaмa, мoя дyшa нeceтcя ввыcь

>>382363037
>that's the canon ending implied by rockstar
Cite them sources, boyo.

>>382361712

I liked Franklin till I saw the cutscene where he was literally dragged out by his ex to save Lamar, that made me look at him in different light

he also gets cocky towards the end of the story, at first i thought it is because he's fed up with Michael-Trevor beef but that wasn't the case

thirdly : he's master at sucking dicks off whoever looks like his sugar daddy at the moment, no matter if it's Trevor, Michael, or Lester

>>382362952
Frank was my favorite character. I'm in a marginally small group, I guess.

>>382363114
Nah, he did it for Lamar, not for her.

>>382361937
>Would you step on a puppy for 18 billion dollars
First I'd have to get his legally binding word that I get the money. Once I have that. I gently step on the puppy without hurting it. I fulfilled my terms. I get my money, Puppy gets to live. In fact I want the puppy too. I'll give him 50 k for the puppy.

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dude what if trevor loved madrazo's wife lmao

>>382362854
>>382362865

Not Anon, but let's be honest. Realistically either of the 3 options would've been a good choice. Franklin was already not living an honest life, so joining the winning team would've been easier for him than relying on two bickering old fucks and their nerd friend for the rest of his life.

Option 3 was the moralfag ending.

>>382354331
Nobody expected GTAO to be such a success. That's why GTAV hasn't had any single player expansions; T2 could not let that evergreen cash cow go to waste. That's also why it has zero fucking security against modders spawning arbitrary crap -- the programmers weren't directed to protect shark cards and grinding as the only means of getting cash.

>>382363037

no, the canon ending is the third way

>>382363108
they said during michaal's video that his habits will "catch up to him" in the end.

>>382356949
>I remembered hating IV when I was younger but loving it now because the characters are so interesting and well written compared to other games in the series.
Same. IV is one of those extremely rare reverse-nostalgiafag case.

>>382363194
Dude what if Trevor woke up in a dress when you switch to him lmao

>>382363019
>The grimness of it still fits if you have a dark sense of humour.
Fair enough.
That being said, GTAs are known for being arcade games, and when something grimdark is introduced it just seems out of the place. Especially that with 4 Rockstar wanted to make it so serious and realistic they took out most of the game's fun. Most of IV's missions are boring to play, nothing on the scale of SA's Black Project or Vertical Bird. Hence why arcade fits a lot more GTA.

>>382363221
Rockstar got T2 to reverse their modding policies.

A sliver of hope that GTAVI will have proper DLC.

>>382363232

they meant the FIB dumping him in a showdown

Why was Romans waifu such a slut?

>>382363194
>>382363325
dude what if sometimes you switched to trevor and he had a 2 star wanted level that you had to escape lmao

>>382363359
I meant "modders" as in online cheaters, not single player mods.

>>382363379
no they meant he'd get clipped eventually, which he did

>>382363170

he did it because he wanted to have it on his back and was scared that it would haunt him if he didnt do anything, his intentions throughout the game were 100% selfish, the gf that cucked him explains that in the emails

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>>382363379
It really didn't feel like Michael deserved to die like that. Same with Trevor. It's also another reason so many people ended up hating Franklin, because even the possibility of him doing that makes him a bigger snake than Michael, even.

>>382363448
Roman was too. Or he claimed to be, at least. In TBoGT you see Roman and Brucie partying and they look like a pair of jokers.

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>>382363198
>Just because you are living as a professional criminal signifies you to kill your mentor

Not even Tony Montana was heartless enough to do this.

My only complaint about this game is the radio stations being forgettable

>>382363582
But if it would haunt him that would mean he isn't so selfish, right? He still put his life on the line for an idiot, yet again.

>>382363448
Roman wasn't taking his relationship seriously with Mallorie when the game started up. All he could talk about was thirty-six flavors of titty.

>>382363359

main GTA creative director is no longer part of the company, and GTA will go down the shitter from now on

>>382363653
I literally got introduced to KINO through GTA IV and I am immensely thankful for it. It is my personal favorite Russian band and the lyrics are something beyond our western music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9p4B6s0j4U

>being a gigantic pussy

What's OP's problem?

>>382363752
The Benz was also the mastermind behind GTAO. To what level I do not know, so this could end up being a positive.

>>382363582
And didn't his ex also "abandon" the hood by marrying some rich as fuck surgeon or something?

I fucking hated Lamar, mostly because characters like him that just get into shit and blame everyone but themselves are depressingly common.

>>382363653
Nigga what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o-6ftmw8CE

V literally only had the pop station going for it.

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>it's a SA fans want GTA: saints row thread

>>382363878
LSRR was also pretty decent

>>382363653
There's a couple good songs, my favorite being From Nowhere. But yeah the radio stations blew.

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>>382358905
>not modding the game and give him infinite health and then proceed to grant upon him eternal pain

>>382362529
But you're neglecting that he's dying throwing a tantrum as a direct consequence of standing by the only morals he had. Stopping an assassination attempt because children would be collateral and killing the assassin.

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>>382363820
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNt2fTJ7gZg

>>382363948
Oh shit youre talking about IV. V and IV cross talk got me confused.

>>382363198
t. Worst Corleone
Let's go fishing shall we?

>>382363701

he was scared of remorse and loneliness, but he's been a two faced bitch in the first place

>>382363913
What's wrong with that exactly?

>>382364005
Sure, but he got into the life. He knew what he was in for. Honestly, he got to live it up pretty good for awhile for a guy who grew up on the streets in Cuba. but it was blood/drug money, and there's always a price.

>>382363653
I forgot them since I haven't played GTAIV in almost a decade, but now that I think about it I remember them being a lot better than GTAV's stations.

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>>382363878
>V literally only had the pop station going for it.

I know you ain't over here talking shit about Worldwide FM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWRrp5UpbWg

>>382363198
>joining the winning team would've been easier for him than relying on two bickering old fucks and their nerd friend for the rest of his life.


these 3 oldfags brought him a fuckton of cash he wont be able to spend in his lifetime

>>382364095
He gave Lamar way more chances than he deserved. Franklin was smart enough to earn better, and he put himself first instead of growing old in the hood or getting shot over petty bullshit, which is probably what'll happen to Lamar.

When Lamar bitched about Frank giving him money right after saving his life was when I gave up on that character entirely.

>>382364125
k bye

>>382364125
saints row is I have never played SR I just imagine it takes the meme-iesque, non-sensical, over-the-top parts of SA (like the purple dildo, aliens, jetpack, etc) and the Sims simulator parts and amplify them

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>>382363592
not gonna lie seeing how michael kind of fixed his family problems was good

>>382363913
But I like both SA and IV for what they are.

>>382364412
Dumb frog

>>382349569
Go serve in the military and tell me how you feel

You can normalize
Don't it make you feel alive?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve9Y-dl40sQ

>>382351579
>p much
this isnt plebbit, you stupid asshole

fuck off to your shithole

>>382363865
Honestly I never understood the appeal for Lamar. He was a fun character in the game, but realistically he was a self-destructive piece of shit.

>>382364753
>he was a self-destructive piece of shit.
Some people like a character they can relate to.

>>382363653
>Classics being djed by DJ premier
>Literally fucked my gf to The Vibe
The game was too good for your faggot ass

>>382363878
This anon also has dumb taste

>>382364439
I didn't play 3 but 2 is pretty much amplifying parts of San Andreas like the gang mechanics and they're a bit goofier. 4 isn't even a GTA clone anymore it's Crackdown with superpowers and a few tacked on GTA mechanics like gang recruiting but it's totally pointless.

>>382364850
No you're dumb.

>>382364618
L I T E R A L L Y

The best GTA commercial ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeUVKw6s5ng

>>382349569
Fuck you, this meme is getting old. Rockstar created a great story while not compromising the gameplay. GTA 4 is a masterpiece.

>>382359559
>gta iv
>good ol days

man, i feel sorry for you stupid kids

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>>382364850
>The Vibe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3oR2BTjmxo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khj9jyNvhpQ

Only way to get me to cum harder would be if they had Sade on the station.

>>382365096

>t. rockstar employee

>>382365017
Personal fave:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOZ8bRAO7YQ

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>>382361472
Johny is the worst protag though,funny how people get mad at Trevor even though this guy went around killing random bikers even though they had a truce and also kidnapped your cousin.

>>382365238
Rockstar has been doing their best to distance themselves from IV in favor of V and Online, kid.

You can go the whole the game without killing civilians and just killing cops and other gangsters

>>382365405
Wasnt there a support guy who went apeshit on someone for saying GTA IV was racist?

>>382365017
best trailer coming through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PzDYBBRlZw

>>382365238
The thing is that nobody criticizes GTA 4 for having either bad gameplay or bad story. People just cry that they conflict with each other without realizing that this is absolutely the best way how things could be. I really enjoyed the serious story but I was also glad the gameplay was crazy, even if it did not fit the story.

>>382365361
You didn't pay much attention to the game, did you? Johnny only killed bikers because Billy kept escalating shit. Johnny was perfectly content with dealing drugs over fighting turf wars. And the only reason he kidnapped Roman was because he was forced to.

>>382363090
Vladivastok was true kino

>>382365564
Good choice. But I prefer this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcDY7SCLWcc

Is CJ a good character?

>>382365884
Chaotic good

>>382365884
Yes, he's unabashedly stereotypically and commits nightmare acts without batting an eye. Hilarious, really.

I still can't get over him burying that innocent construction worker in cement in the port-a-potty. What was that for, again? They needed to use the area, or something?

>>382365135
The game came out like 9 years ago you autistic idiot

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>>382359726
Sure, I bet you did a full passive run of the Snow Storm mission.

>>382366096
I think he tried to touch kendl

>>382366212
>that sudden difficulty spike during snow storm
my young self was not prepared

>>382360075
>By the time the game finished loading I already lost interest
kek

>>382366096
catcalling his sister

>>382358052
>bums
>deserving

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>>382360238
I just finished a run yesterday and I didn't check exactly but know for sure mine is above 3000, how the fuck do you even get under 200? Surely the fucking mission where you save Roman from Dimitri is like 40 people alone?

>>382349569
Sounds like he worshipped khorne and was all blood for the blood god. It happens 40k times a year.

>>382365620

Wow, I finished TLaD a while ago but I don't remember kidnapping Roman at all.

In case it was in main GTA IV storyline, I could never push myself to finish it. It always ended up feeling too repetetive.

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>>382363820
>>382363878
>>382364025
holy shit I recognized these by the titles before even listening to them
4 was such a big chunk of my adolescence

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Friendly reminder that if you killed Francis you're a fucking nigger and should kys ASAP

>>382360196

wait who the fuck is stretch? All i remember is that FIB douchebag chad and that there was that one other FIB wannabe cocksucker

>>382366661
this desu. Derrick was a mess and deserved to be put out of his misery.

>>382364716
Fucking lame

>>382349569
Best character stuck in the second worst 3d GTA game.

>>382366416
Day of the guillotine draws closer.

Why is GTA IV so much better than GTA V?

Recently replayed it, god damn it's good.

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>>382366661
Fuck Francis and I let Dwayne live too so I could get that backup from the niggas. I'm full on nigger bruh.

>>382366812
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOpwnhSZAx0

>>382362453

You must be 18 to browse this board.

>>382366454
I mainly shot to wound. That was an autistic playthrough, though. Realistically I can keep mine around 500 if I play it right and don't worry about it so much.

>>382366212
Those aren't innocent people, and the cops there are after you first so you're only defending yourself. Going on killing sprees outside of missions is not canon though

>>382366901
Better physics, characters, story, atmosphere and a somewhat better game world.

>>382366850

not even him but fucking kill yourself, he is absolutely right for calling your faggotry out

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>>382353356
You don't have to kill any innocent person
They never made you do that

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>>382364025
God damn.

>>382366965
Oh, almost forgot: the driving is 100 times better than the Need For Speed cancer of GTA 5.

>>382366901
IV is not a normie game.

>>382366965

but how did they just fucking ignore all the amazing details that made GTA IV great?

I played IV, then V and I was SO fucking annoyed by the fact that you can't leave your car + the radio running while you get out of the car and do something else, so i fucking had to mod it so you have a GTA IV style car exit where you can tap Y to get out with the engine running and hold Y for completely stopping the engine.

sorry but this shit gets my autism going

>>382366949
>I mainly shot to wound
That is quite autistic. I went for headshots where-ever possible and made sure to dump bullets into bodies too after they hit the floor to make sure it counted as a kill.

Also I spent most of my time driving on pavements rather than roads.

>>382367038
>GTA4 driving is good
nigger what

>>382367119

Replay it.
It's miles better than V. I just played IV and then switched to GTA V again and it fucking feels like you're driving a goddamn hotwheels matchbox car

There's no weight, no real feeling to the cars.

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>>382367119
>that fucking feeling of satisfaction when you slam into half a dozen people at max speed and it makes a huge clattering noise and they ragdoll everywhere
>not good
?

>>382367118
Yeah for whatever reason I thought it made sense to play that way then. Last time I played it I just shot to disable and occasionally executed people who were down, for fun. I feel that is much more in character, now.

I still try and stay on the road though and don't kill outside of missions or side missions.

Are there still issues with the PC port of GTAIV?

>>382366965
Too bad it had by far the most boring city and missions.

>>382349569
>Uncharted 4
>Nathan Drake, killer of literally hundreds maybe thousands of men, cries out in shock and horror when Rafe shoots a fat prison guard

It's true, sometimes gameplay/story disconnects are jarring

>>382366905
>Sparing Dwayne
Fuck that lifeless nigger he never stopped calling. If I knew that I would burn that faggot alive.

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>>382367258
>ripping the handbrake at top speed and hitting the perfect sideways drift and slamming a bunch of pedestrians against a wall

>>382367342
GTAIV can run on computers considered toasters nowadays. The only issue is the DRM, but you can get around that with a crack.

>>382367342

It runs like shit compared to GTA V but it's playable on a fairly modern PC. I got a GTX 750 or something. Be sure to pick a good version on piratebay because some of them don't include the DLC.

>>382367119
Yep, it is. Maybe less sliding around would be better in the sequels, but definitely still better than V's. The first thing I noticed when I saw the leaked stream of V was how janky the driving had become. Totally and depressingly normie-friendly.

>>382367118
>roleplaying and having a fun experience is autistic
nu/v/eddit detected

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>>382364025
>tfw you understand the lyrics

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Hey, I was in the shower, did someone call? I thought I heard the phone or something.

>>382367484

I agree. What a faggot.

GTA IV was breddy gud for roleplaying

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Wait, you guys did kill Dwayne, right?

>>382367623
>dwayne froge

>>382367437
What about the steam version? Any specific issues with that?

>>382359675
V's ending is so retarded.

You can choose to kill Michael or Trevor, or the completely superior choice with no negative consequences; just straight up murdering everyone who poses a threat to you. Begging the question why didn't they just do that before.

>>382367752
Fuck. I killed him on my second playthrough and regretted doing so. Probably the most emotional moment in the whole game actually.

>>382367752
>>382367623
>>382367404
The fuck is wrong with you? You get a cool penthouse before Roman buys that one, get Claude's outfit, and you can hop over the front desk to use the computer.

>>382367687
>>382367484
>I can roleplay like this
>but you aren't allowed to roleplay like this

Dumb faggots.

>>382360924
>all Slavs are the same
it's like saying there's no difference between Englishmen and Norwegians because they're both Germanic

>>382367752
I did both. You are a fool if you deny yourself the Claude uniform.

Dwayne had some of the best conversations in the game but on my latest playthrough I've been thinking of just killing him. Like seeing an old friend where you know you can't really recreate the experience again.

>>382366212
>you are now aware there's a boat just waiting for you in that mission

>>382367915
there's probably an argument to be made that trevor and michael both had it coming. so did franklin though

>>382367895

It doesn't work because of the DRM

>>382368193
?

>>382366906

what the fuck

how does this classify as him being "antagonistic" enough to kill late game?

at worst you'd kill this nigga 5 missions into SA while he runs away screaming about how he wasn't a undercover faghead

>>382367204
You need the realistic driving mod

>>382368104
It just doesn't contextually make sense and it feels so tacked on. There's only one real choice and nothing you did in the game before that has any impact on it.

I'm hoping they go for a fully nonlinear experience next time with multiple story branches and endings. Instant replayibility. Maybe something like True Crime LA, but actually handled well. I have faith in Rockstar to do this if they care, and I feel it's like what most of their fans have been waiting for for the last ten years or so.

>>382368286

Look at the steam reviews
Just download it on piratebay.

>>382368193
Ah, will do some research then. Thanks

>>382367895
I've played it for 150 with no issues. Though you should download XLiveless to get rid of Microsoft's DRM.

>>382368402
I just finished a run of the Steam one without issue, what problems does it supposedly cause?

>>382368384
>I'm hoping they go for a fully nonlinear experience next time with multiple story branches and endings

lol, Rockstar will never fucking do that.
Go play Heavy Rain or Detroit: Become Human if you want to experience an actual interactive story that feels like you actually have every choice there is.

I'd love to see it in a Rockstar game, but that will never happen. Too much work.

>>382367752
I killed dwayne then regretted it
next playthrough I spared him and then regretted it again since his pathetic ass kept calling me

>>382367752
>he didn't befriend Dwayne to get backup from the niggas and do the most wanted missions

It's almost as if you guys don't want to be criminal masterminds and the top criminal by maxing your s-links.

>>382359195
There's absolutely no reason to kill Dwayne. I mostly just felt bad for him because of how depressed he was but all you get if I remember correctly is money. Kill playboy you get that outfit and his house.

>>382368526
It's really not, though. I don't understand how adding a few missions in one direction is a big deal at all, especially with the amount of money and praise they'd get for it.

>>382368608

this tbqh

also playboy's house is pretty fresh and I always need more place to store cars

>>382368526
>David Cage shit
>game that's not even out yet

Just watch a movie baiting motherfucker.

>>382353449
It was all in his mindd

>>382368729

you don't even know what the word "bait" means, summerfaggot.

>>382368723
You can use the parking space regardless what happens. Go back to Hove Beach and your cars are still there.

Roman's old cabs>new cabs

>>382349569
>What the FUCK was his problem?
Rockstar trying to do any serious writing.

>>382368820
>this deflection

Nobody likes David Cage so keep that shit out of GTA threads.

>>382349569
How did you miss the central theme of the game so hard? Niko's SUPPOSED to be hypocritical; it's at the very core of his character. Darko Brevic, who is basically Niko's direct parallel down to the little nuances in his facial structure and general appearance, even points this out in what is probably the most important interaction of IV:
>You killed my friends for one thousand dollars?!
>How much do you charge to kill someone?
and later REITERATES that theme with
>Kill me then! You fucking hypocrite.
This theme directly connects to Niko's ultimate failure to escape his past; it is BECAUSE of his hypocrisy and his belief that he can't survive and provide for his family any other way that he can't escape his past and his loved ones die. If you kill people in the overworld, and especially if you take their money, it only fleshes out this hypocritical image of Niko that Darko preys on in "That Special Someone." If you continue to go on rampages after the game is over, this only cements the other main theme of Niko's ultimate failure to escape his violent past despite everything he's learned. This is why he works as a GTA protagonist.

Why kill Dwayne when you get a nice pad for sparing him? Also I'm surprised no one has brought up the DLC yet, shit was great.

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>>382367915
>or the completely superior choice with no negative consequences; just straight up murdering everyone who poses a threat to you
It's so fucking retarded too. You don't blow up the FIB building, or infiltrate it to erase data or something, You literally just ambush and kill a random team of like 20 FIB goons that you set up in some abandoned building and that makes them get FIB off their backs for good, it's makes no fucking sense

>>382369170

>DLC

shit was great

Why did rockstar dun goof so hard with gta online.

>>382369061
Very underrated.

>>382369170
>gta online killed the rumored alien invasion dlc

why live in a shit timeline

>>382349569
He's a gangster. He's allowed to kill people for money.

>>382366454
Nice asian

>>382357975
Damn son, you couldn't be more wrong; it's actually the most among the GTA protagonists, at around ~80 or so canon kills
http://gta.wikia.com/wiki/Murders_Committed_by_Niko_Bellic

>>382369959
>"collateral" murders such as those of unidentified gunmen, pedestrians, or police are not included

>>382369959
See, this is another thing that makes the game that V didn't have:

>established villains/characters
>you can kill those characters

Martin Madrazo, anyone? Why not save him as one of the endgame antagonists, or something?

>>382352714
This bullshit plot element where the mass murdering main character suddenly lets his most hated nemesis go scot-fucking-free needs to die.

Ezio should have fucking killed Rodrigo too, I don't care what anyone says about historicity.

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NOW GO HOME AND GET YOUR FUCKING XBOX

>>382370219
Because trevor regularly fucking his geriatric wife and effortlessly humilliating HIM, a fucking cartel boss, in front of his entire family and "workers" was more than enough punishment for martin, you don't understand how much mexicans value macho pride, hell if this was real life the guy would've already gotten murdered by a younger guy for letting himself sink that low.

>>382367915
I think it's because the purpose of one of the heists was to clear their names from the FIB database, and until they did that, they couldn't do anything, plus I guess at the end of it all they were just hoping they would get paid and be able to walk free. Right after that bureau heist is the Big Score and the Third Way, so perhaps the whole time they were just waiting for the right opportunity

>>382353356
How you act in the Open World is not Canon. Shooting Police Officers is Canon in certain missions but Niko refers that if he talks with Bernie that he has not something against them, but if he must finish an objective and they are in his way he kills them.

>>382370921
Point is, there should have been more characters like that for the endgame.

>>382370921
I don't think they actually banged. Something tells me they didn't. If anything she was more like Trevor's mom while she was around.

>>382370365
It works in IV though because it is one of those games where leaving him alive is actually a fate worse than death; Darko is all alone in LC, no one to rely on, and he specifically wished that Niko would kill him; Niko not doing so is taking peaceful revenge in a way, by denying Darko what he wanted and the peaceful escape that death brings. After he's spared, Darko can do nothing else but run away and try to escape the same hellhole Niko had to suffer through, and if Niko's any example, and considering Darko's a direct parallel to Niko, we know how that'll go, except Darko has no Roman or Bernie or Jacob to help him at his darkest hour

>>382369628
Alien invasion in GTA 4 or 5? Regardless that is straight shit and I loved GTA online when it first came out, it's all I would play, no hate at all there, lad.

>>382365773
Still one of my favorite songs from that game. Fuck I need to replay all this shit.

>>382362453
Literal retard babby

>>382366212
You can actually do a passive run. If you manages to outrun the police you can go to the boat and drive away. Problem is: no one says to you that there is a boat.

>>382366901
I prefer IV's setting over V's any day. I've never liked neither the coast nor California, and I'm not even America. I prefer a lot more LC; it feels somewhat more genuine than LS.

>>382371338
i think this is probably correct, especially considering his bizarre relationship with his real mother

>>382367097
Another thing related to cars is the shooting. I loved how in IV you actually lean out the window to shoot while driving. In V it doesn't make sense how you shoot out the car half the time.

been playing iv for the first time and everything about it just feels great

>>382372329
The nature of Los Santos was that it was Hollywood fakery, but I think the developers are a little too far up their own ass to think that their fans would recognize or even care about this. It's like Tim Heidecker. It seems like he's so caught up living the high life in Hollywood babeeey that he forgets who the people who brought him there are.

Did anyone else play GTA IV and the DLC alongside each other being careful to keep the timelines exact so all your games would be taking place at the same time?

>>382372781
I do now

>>382372781
>Do you have autism
No

Three Leaf Clover was one of the best missions in the base game

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>>382354651
I first uninstalled it from my PC because the game was an unoptimized piece of shit.
I gave the game another chance last year because a lot of anons here praised it and my PC was finally upgraded. I was finally able to run the game smoothly but then I uninstalled it again for the exact same reasons as you stated.

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>>382371206
You mean me bunkering up in the hospital killing 100's of police isn't canon?

Remember having fun in IV's online with friends? Just go on a rampage and not having to worry about making money to have fun? Fucking shark cards killed online.

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>>382363309
I liked it when I played it as a kid and still like it now. Best GTA story imo.

>>382371234
I actually thought V's approach was rather novel, not only is the storytelling approach different from all the other GTAs (a lot more emphasis was placed on the side activities, Stranger missions, hangouts, and dialogue during combat in finding out the complete story behind the three protags; the main story was only a small part of it), but also that there wasn't one main villain you were supposed to hate and chase for the whole game like in the other GTAs; the villains in V were just asshole-type obstacles and loose ends to the unstoppable GTA protagonists' rise to the top and ultimate objective of getting rich and riding off into the sunset. There's not really an obvious good or evil side here, everyone is just trying to do their jobs in the most efficient way possible and if that involves fucking people over, then whatever, and I found that refreshing.

What I also found refreshing was that the prominent conflict in the story was an internal one between the protagonists, and not protagonist vs. guy who double crossed you; all those characters are just sideshows to the main conflict between Michael and Trevor. This is why I think of the final choice as, do you think the conflict between the three is worth patching up at great risk to yourself, or is it easier to just kill one of them, remove one side of the triangle, and end the relationship? Imo, killing off all the sideshow villains in one mission is just the symbolic band-aid the three needed to mend their relationship and not the focus of the game in general, which they try to work on further after the story is over, in the hangouts (one of many reasons why they're so important, you'll only find out about the three confronting each other and trying to resolve their issues in the post-game hangouts)

>>382373091
Loved doing that. Would walk ing with a bat and brain the patients until the cops came and then I mowed them down.

>>382361187
The only GTA I've always preferred over IV was Vice City and that only because of the 80s vibe, not because it's actually the better game.