>literally runs worse than it did 10 years ago >literally

>>382348841
no one defends tf2. everyone agrees the game went shit when the manco update hit and it went f2p.

fuck you and eat a dick
literally all of your "points" are meaningless and wrong.

>>382349034
nah I keep seeing tf2 threads that act like the game is some super skilled game with a great community, see >>382349064

it used to be a good game when I played it back in 09 but it sucks hard now

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I can't defend it at all. Valve has added so much useless shit and the game is barely playable nowadays. I just want to go back to the good ol' days.

>>382349382
>Valve has added so much useless shit and the game is barely playable nowadays
they've done that to every one of their games.

>>382348841
Beats me. I haven't played it in 9 or so years. Your fault for following the popular crowd.

>>382349724
Just TF2, Dota 2, and CSGO

>>382350032
so the biggest games that actually generate a profit, yes, not the dead ones

do people still play tf2? It went to shit after 2007.

Still better than Overwatch and its clones

>tfw still love the core gameplay
>they can't even optimize it

>literally runs worse than it did 10 years ago
nope
>literally looks worse than it did 10 years go
yep

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>traded tf2 items and made some profits
>cant do it now because of the 15 day wait period
>stopped playing it after matchmaking takes too long and cant make high profits

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>>382348841
You must be fun at parties.

Why are you mad OP? It is still a pretty good game,now with less gay sprays and idlers.

vac banned for no hat mod what?

Im using that and im not banned

I haven't played TF2 since like 2011.
Who would willingly subject themselves to the trash that is modern TF2?
Besides curries, retards, and children of course.

>>382351625
Its bait and you fell for it

>>382348841
I wish I could be that good at hyperbole.

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>>382348841
>stock bottle cant break anymore

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>>382350734
It's a fact that the game runs worse you dumb faggot

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>>382348841
what the fuck is the spinaroonie sack slapper.

what fps do you guys play? I legit dk what to do when I need my adrenaline fix

cod is for children
battlefield was killed by ea
overwatch is for women
tf2 is dead
???

>>382352818
TF2 and Battlefield 2/2142 are still alive so play that

>why does /v/ still defend this game again?

Because it's fun desu

>>382349158
>nah I keep seeing tf2 threads that act like the game is some super skilled game with a great community
Yeah, maybe a year ago when Overwatch came out. Now that TF2 is mainstream again people are hating it more, putting it back in the dark.

>>382350594
No
Not anymore

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>>382349034
That was strike one, but didn't do too much damage.

Strike two was the end of the line update where they proved they will never had new content consistently again even when 95% of it was community made

The third and final strike was Meet Your Meet, which not only proved they had no idea what the fuck they were doing by making the game worse in every way, but they did so right when overwatch was ramping up, so they fucked themselves into oblivion, and didn't end up fixing most of the problems until a year later. And the supposed "new weapons and content" from that update STILL isn't in the game.

TF2 is long fucking dead. And its depressing. But what can you do, Overwatch is slowly becoming 2009 era TF2 with the server browser system and constant content and update.

Just wonder when Blizzard will fuck it all up.

>>382353039
>not anymore

Did Overwatch get better? Because its base mechanics are terrible.

>>382348841
>>thousands of obscure weapons with obscure effects you have to play 10,000 hours to understand, get one-hit by the Spinaroonie Sack Slapper because you forgot to spin 360 degrees and teabag after spawning
Nigga what? If you have trouble understanding ANY of the weapons in this game then you probably have a pick axe lodged in your head.
>>Spinaroonie Sack Slapper only available to those who logged 100 hours in South Park MOBA within a month of its release, now going for $327 on the market
No weapons have this on them other than reskins. And most are stock reskins.
>>anyone who still plays is a gay ERPer who spends all their time on no kill servers, gay ERPers still seep into normal servers and half the people in a game will yell at you for RDMing
Then don't play on ERP servers. I've never had a issue with this fags because they've never showed up in my games.
>>get banned from a server by an admin for picking up his Golden Wrench
Then you're on a shit server.
>>fov still locked to 90
You can change it in the options. Look harder dipshit.
>>retarded skinner box full of teenagers and furries
How is it a skinner box?
>>terrible community
>>f2p flooded the game with third world trash and low skilled players and still hasn't recovered
Meme argument.
>>retarded loadouts collapse skill ceiling
How?

>>382353118
after a year balance has gotten a lot better, game has TF2's old server browser system instead of just logging into quickplay or comp (which is how TF2 is now with valve servers gone and only the 98 furry servers still up), and the game is getting fuckton of content, shit is almost bi-monthly at this point.

Game still has its tickrate and other shit, but its slowly growing and learning from TF2's highpoints and tending to those niches.

>>382353083
>Overwatch is slowly becoming 2009 era TF2
Call me back when the maps aren't shit, there isn't a hard counter system, an option to play games with no ultimates and characters that aren't steaming piles of Overwatch (or the more common name for it, dog shit.)

>>382353407
Valve servers aren't gone, dumbass.

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>>382348841
g8 b8 8/8

>>382353083
Since Overwatch came out TF2 has still the same amount of players

>>382353495
If you mean Valve servers that can be played from the browser, yes they are.
The server BROWSER is still there though, but it's 100% community servers. But it's a mixed fucking bag ever since the majority were killed off by MyM.

>>382353748
Just don't use the server browser, the matchmaking is much improved. I would like to have the server browser come back too, you know.

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>>382353083
More weapons is the last thing TF2 needs, I'm sick of this
>10% less damage
>25% faster firing speed
>30% fire vulnerability
bullshit that doesn't enrich the gameplay or change anything about how a class plays, it just makes the game more of a clusterfuck. Valve should have stopped adding new weapons a long time ago.

>>382353728
It has a massively inflated player count. Most of the servers that aren't 24 hour insta-respawn servers or trading servers are just straight up dead.

>>382354105
Casual and competitive Valve servers is where most of the players go,it is way less inflated now than when there were idle servers everywhere.

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>>382348841
all of this is completely true, but it's still kinda fun

>>382354105
>24 hour insta-respawn servers
What's wrong with 24 hour or insta-respawn servers?

>>382353296
>>retarded loadouts collapse skill ceiling

Should be rephrase as:

>retarded loadouts collapse certain weapons overtime

Remember old LnL? Remember demo faggots with shields and LnL? Now ask yourself, when was the last time you've seen LnL on anyone unironically or without buyers remorse?

>>382348841
Just buy the console version of the orange box if you really want to go back.

>>382354294
>Remember old LnL?
To be fair you can still use it to shit all over engies and faster pills are harder to dodge. The old LnL was OP because it had increased damage vs EVERYONE ontop of pills that are harder to dodge.

>>382354294
Yesterday. The Loch and Load is very good for hitting direct hits on people due to its higher projectile speed and low arc

>>382354368
I would in a heartbeat if people were still playing it.

>>382354102
This,i'm glad that after all these years Valve is forced to rebalance items instead of adding them,also the Pyro overhaul should have come way sooner.

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>>382348841
AND LET'S NOT FORGET
>Turned Halloween events "MAKES SOME MAPS AND HATS FOR US THANKS"
>No more new bosses
>Instead of hunting for free cosmetics they just hand you a crate
>No reason to even annually log on to the game anymore just for Halloween

>>382354842
>focusing on the Pyro update instead of the Halloween and Christmas events

Nothing wrong with that

>>382355214
Don't tell me they've been working on the Pyro update since 2014

Reminder that csgo is going through the same, valve does not give a single fuck about csgo or tf2

And yes, csgo also runs worse

>crowbcat makes a video about a game
>shitheads come out of the woodwork to fabricate controversy around the game they don't give a shit about
Why? I still play tf2 and I hate what they did to the game, but I'm invested in it. There's no way everyone in this thread still plays/used to play tf2, so why give a shit?

>>382354842
It always triggered me that they can't bother to make a snowy version of 2fort for christmas

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>>382348841
I still think it's fun. Especially when I'm not getting iced by a spy.

Then again I only play Payload on the normal random server. Also I've never noticed ERP fags.

>>382352510
>not using the frying pan

>>382354368
If you wanted to play an old but dead version of TF2, you should just play TF2 Classic.

>>382355341
They don't have a lot of people working on TF2 anymore so would you blame them for giving priority to something that should have been changed many years ago?

>>382355408
If you played 2009 or 2010 tf2 you would see that the game is a piece of shit now

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>>382355461
This was the comfiest map ever, too bad community servers are dead

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Reasons why TF2 is dead:
>A feature that is easily disabled client-side
>An update made balance changes I personally disagree with
>Made up campfire story about friendlies and bronies

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is it seriously 134GB now? i uninstalled that shit years ago

>>382348841
It's still the best Multiplayer game around and only about a sixth of your points are true. The balance is better than ever and it's still extremely fun after a decade of playing.

>>382355964
No its 420 GB,i needed to buy a external hard drive to install the game.

>>382355964
Its not, OP is a dirty lying faggot

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>>382355893
this

The game was shit when it first came out and it's only slightly more shit now.
Only casuals defend this trash, or ever defended this trash.

Man I always come in these threads and see people talk about how it went to shit before 2010 and shit, and I only started playing like 2014.

>>382355964
Its like 9 or 12gb iirc

>>382356236
Ignore them and have fun, then. That's all that matters. Nostalgia fags can go away.

>>382352818
Unreal tournament alpha or quake champions

What is up with all those TF2 threads lately?
Even if it's an active game I am surprised to see /v/ talks about it so much

>>382355750
I'm well aware the game is a shell of its former self anon, but if you've stopped playing all together why give a shit?

>>382356378
Big update is coming. Any day now.

Aaaaany day now.

>>382356291
that makes more sense, though knowing modern valve i wouldn't have been surprised if they had added 120GB of cosmetic shit.

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>>382356378
Payne made a youtube video so its a topic of discussion again

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>Game with 45,000-60,000 average players 24/7 is dead
>A game is shit if it doesn't get constant content updates

???

>>382356236
Don't believe them,the game was even more unbalanced

>>382356378
Because a faggot made a video displaying how 2007 TF2 looks "better" than current TF2,also its getting a major update soon

>>382356563
>45k players
MMOs have shut down at twice that.

>>382356691
Maybe because they're MMOs and require very large amounts of people to play.

>>382356691
MMO need huge playerbases,a 12v12/6v6 game doesn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daOAk0i1N00

>>382356768
>>382356820
You're right, meanwhile tf2 will still be "alive" in your mind as long as it has enough people to fill up a room, correct?

>>382356691
TF2 is more alive than basically every game in existence except like 10 newer meme games that aren't a decade old.

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>>382348841

>tfw my favorite server got killed after the halloween update that brought magical shit
>tfw mostly playing tf2 for the gamemodes
>tfw my favorite saxton hale server is now dead
>tfw plenty of servers i used to enjoy are long gone

>>382348841
>playing this mess when Overwatch exists

why? are you so poor?

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>Needing a drip-feed of updates to keep you playing

I don't know, maybe the game is just fun and deep enough by itself to warrant you playing it?

>>382357009
Read
>>382353467

>>382356291
It's ~20gb, I just had to uninstall it to make room.

>>382356895
>TF2 is more alive than basically every game in existence
Do you even realize how stupid you sound right now, talking about a game with 45k players like this?

>>382348841
This may not bring back the graphics or small installation, but it's still a neat little tool to find "classic" servers
https://vanilla.tf/

>>382357198
What games have more players than TF2 on Steam?

Why valve had to kill servers, what were wrong with them?(Aside from the autistic furry ones)

>>382357412
>on steam
People still use that trash? Wow.

>>382357198
I don't think you realize how small most game communities are, especially after a decade. 45,000-60,000 is astounding.

>>382357412
DotA, CSGO, PUBG

>>382357529
They didn't kill anything,they just made quickplay not shit.

>>382357412
Dota 2
Counter Strike Global Offensive
PLAYER UNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS
Payday 2
H1Z1 King of the hill
GTA 5.
>>382357558
It's still better than origin and has more games than Blizzard's thing.

>>382348841
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBdfwezXkIg

Thanks valve

>>382357605
>>382357665
All those games were released after TF2 and Payday 2 became f2p recently

>PLAYER UNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS
>H1Z1 King of the hill

Literal meme games

>>382357629
So you say. Everytime I try the quickplay servers, it's laggy to hell and back. I just stick to the community servers with the lowest ping for me

>>382357605
The problem is most games will have a large community which widdles down to quality players over time.
All the quality players left tf2 a long time ago, it's just new batches of noobs to outnoob the last batch of noobs who still think "it's free, and fun!"
>>382357665
>It's still better than origin and has more games than Blizzard's thing.
Sorry I don't think you understood, I have no interest in your shitty bloatware for retards too stupid to run an exe, regardless of which company puts it out.
But the fact stands that your "on steam" remark is retarded, insanely bias, and the only shooters "on steam" are casual indie-tier trash like tf2. It's the ultimate goalpost movement considering I can find more played shooters on both EA and blizzard's trash despite the fact they both have a combined total of like 4 shooters across them, and all of them would have higher player counts than tf2.

>>382354368
it's still ~$20 at goystop otherwise i would've

>>382357825
>All those games were released after TF2
Doesn't matter in the slightest, they all have higher player counts and dota is technically older

My willy smells a bit cheesy today

>>382358043
>doesn't matter

Yeah just like Battleborn having 100 players while games released 30 years ago have way more doesn't matter.

>>382357370
i don't understand the point of this

>>382357924
>All the quality players left tf2
Literally untrue. Just because you left doesn't mean other people did.

>>382348841
because overwatch is popular and fun so /v/ wants to find a way to irrationally hate it.

>>382353467
Git gud

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>>382355214
>focusing on the Pyro update instead of the Halloween and Christmas events

>a year later and still no pyro weapons

HAHAHAAHHAHAHHAH

Do valve cucks actually believe in this company still? They literally don't care about anything but steam because it makes 80x the amount they'd get from making games.

Please, its not 2009, the valve and GabeN of all are gone and covered in piles of money they've accumulated from Summers of stealing from your wallet as distributors

>>382357924
>All the quality players left tf2 a long time ago

That's why Valve is now pandering to those quality players by listening to them after years of listening to pubs like you?

>>382353083
Aint bothering with overwatch until they remove the player limit.

I fucking hate playing sixes

>>382358245
>Yeah just like Battleborn having 100 players while games released 30 years ago have way more doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
>>382358283
I left when they removed grenades, that's how oldfag I am. My point still stands; you can't be a fan of TF2 2007-2011 while still playing it 2012+, it's inconceivable, they remove everything good about it every year or two and add bullshit nobody asked for.

Id start playing again if every server wasnt dog shit

any eu recommendations?

>>382358436
Pandering is the fastest way to ruin a game, it's like designing a game from third person, which will never work except for nintendo games but those retards will eat anything up.

>>382358620
>it doesn't matter

Yes it does Randy

>>382358620
Again what are you talking about? The balance is better than ever. Custom servers and community-based comp matches are still a thing. You're being histrionic.

>>382358796
No, it doesn't, you goalpost moving fucktard. Go read the original post.
Just because you're playing old garbage doesn't make you any better than someone playing new garbage, especially after a decade of fucking updates.

>>382358795
>pandering to people that play the game hundreds of hours every year and love it to death is bad

TF2 got "worse" because they continued to listen to pubs instead of people who actually know the game inside out.

>>382358868
TF2 competitive play is the best joke I've ever heard.
Also balance, after a decade? Finally, or I would say that if half the weapons weren't useless.

>>382348841

>Useed to play tf2 on ps3 (lol)
>No voice chat (there was, but no one used it)
>No annoying kids
>No retarded easy-mode loadouts
>Old maps (which are great)
>In general, everyone knew what they had to do regardless of their actual skill level
>Actually got several messages from people admiring my work when I played Spy
>They became regular teammates

The best days. I recently downloaded TF2 for PC, and I will never use any cosmetics or any of the other update weapons besides the very first ones. My favorite Spy loadout is still vanilla. I hate how they stopped caring about the old maps. There should be official dedicated vanilla servers or something.

>>382358928
Yeah you try to design a game not for the purpose of being good, but for the purpose of appealing to someone, see where that gets you.
While you're at it sort out some telepathy, so you can actually know exactly what that person wants without making dipshit assumptions which will inevitably be the cornerstone to shit design and a failed incoherent game.
If I was designing this game to pander to you I'd make all weapons automatically hit their target so you never have to aim and fill it with ponies because I know only horsefuckers still play this shit. I hope it works out the same in the real world.

Thanks valve for making the game f2p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ8duKs2Plw

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>>382357629
>MAD quickplay not shit

>>382358928
I thought it was the other way around, where "pro" players were the ones listened to about balance changes. Or is that simply as of late?

>>382348841
>literally sucking crowbcat's cock still
And I don't even like TF2.

>>382359017
Almost every weapon is in a great spot now, and those that aren't are getting addressed in the pyro update.

Plus it's not like the other weapons really matter when

>TF2 competitive play is the best joke I've ever heard.
Alright dude, whatever you say.

>>382359191
Why are you so mad?

>>382359227
They started to listen to "pro" players only recently,before this update they were mainly making changes for pubs and it shows.

>>382359514
Being good at tf2 is like being the runner up to the bronze medal at the special Olympics.

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>>382353083
My biggest gripe is that the Halloween updates (the only time I give a shit and can gather my friends to play the game daily) have been botched two years in a row under the excuse that "We're working so hard on that OTHER update, prease understand!!"

>>382359607
Alright dude whatever you say.

>>382358647
THG is all right, but it's always full. Also occassionally mapdev servers pop up, which are okay as well. The rest is all shit.

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>>382358283
>Literally untrue

>Gold cut from HL
>IM cut from 6v6
>No NA teams at i61
Things haven't been this bad for competitive since season 7
Like half the fucking 6s scene left for overwatch because valve couldn't get their shit together.