Spoilers for the endgame of Persona 5 How did Akechi leave Sae's

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>>382279040
It's just a game, you should really just relax.

Did no one in the police think it was strange that there was a fucking huge casino where the police station should have been?

>>382279040
I have no idea. If they took Sae's treasure, wouldn't Sae palace disappear? Its BS, don't think about it.

>>382279040
I thought it had something to do with futabas computer, like how she was able to bring the cognition joker there

>>382279314
I don't really have much of a problem with that. Maybe Akechi just told them the truth about the Metaverse

>>382279040

What if you were to give this game to, say, twenty... intelligent people i mean, what would that do? Let's face it what would it do?

>>382279314
They know about the meta verse. They already say this in game. Probably an elite group that was briefed.

>>382279314
Yep, this has been bothering me ALL day. I get Akechi let them all in but the cops were oddly to composed and collected to apprehend the Phantom Thieves when a giant fucking casino showed up right next to their workplace. The courthouse and police station are within walking distance so it should have unnerved some of the cops, NAVY Seals training or not.

>>382279325
they never took her treasure

>>382279040
It's animu I don't gotta explain shit

>>382279325
They actually never took Sae's treasure. Makoto explains that she intentionally brought in a fake briefcase to fool Akechi.

>>382279430

>elite group of 200 people

>>382279451
>>382279501
I forgot what the treasure was by the time she asked me at the end of the game. What was it?

>>382279040
The exit point for a Palace is wherever you entered from, I guess.

>>382279040
Anyone have a webm of Akechi's all out attack animation? He had the best one by far.

>>382279040
I may be remembering wrong but weren't there 2 purple flashes while both Sae and Akechi were still in the building? Implying they went in then back out?

>>382279621
We're never told. I think Makoto implies it was her father's police directory, but that was before the treasure actually took shape.

>>382279621
I think it was her dad's notebook

>>382279621
A notebook I think

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>>382279040
Spoiler that fucking image asshole, Thanks a fucking lot

>>382279451
Ah I though they took her treasure as well. Thanks

>>382279040
I think it was explained that where you enter the cognitive world is also the exit. So when akechi went back passing the hallway to where sae brought him in originally he went out the cognitive world.

>>382279794
much appreciated anon

Don't you leave a palace if you step past the place you entered it? If so, he would just have to leave through the same hallway he went in.

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>>382279040
>>382279451
>>382279501
actually Joker was the treasure. She was obsessed with finding the leader of the shadow thieves and Aketch collapsed the palace when he killed your copy which was the treasure. Its also why you getting caught actually makes it manifest.

>>382279698
>>382279702
>>382279792
Thank you very much.

Also shouldn't Akechi's costume change when he enters the room as it does in the Casino since Sae already view him as a threat?

>>382279916
>Shadow Thieves
Nigga wat

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>>382279916
That'th retarded, thir.

>>382279916
That would be neat but it doesn't add up. The treasure has to be something that affected their cognition when they began becoming distorted. So for that to be true the hunt for Joker would've had to have been occurring since the day her father died, since that is when Makoto said she changed.

>>382279040
The exit for a palace is the entrance of it. He entered the palace just outside of the interrogation room. He walked back through the hallway after leaving the interrogation room, exiting the palace.

>>382280016
Nope. Makoto explains that she tested whether their clothes change while in the Interrogation Room beforehand. They don't.

>>382279437
They knew, they it's even leaked to the public that he was captured in some kind of weird phenomenon

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does Persona 5 have the most retarded story in all of megaten?

>>382280130
when is this ever explained? Joker and Ryuji first entered Kamoshida's Palace like half a mile away from the school and then left at the entrance.

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>>382279916
*phantom thieves

Thanks for the slip up. Baldur's Gate 2

>>382279314
Wait, those police who arrested Joker were real people?

>>382279040
Futaba had full control of Akechi's phone and could send him to the metaverse whenever. Showing him the phone is about teleporting him and Sae in and out of the palace at the same time so they don't accidentally see each other teleporting in the middle of the hallway.

>>382280358
Yes

>>382280191
Did she say why it didn't change?

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I'm at the final boss and I have no SP restore item (to use during mid battle), am I fucked?

>>382280481
I don't remember. I guess it can be assumed that Sae doesn't really see people as threats after a certain distance from her Casino.

>>382279542
It's literally stated in game that the cops caught Joker in a "weird phenomenon". The cops in charge probably knew whst was going on but the common grunts didn't know shit and were just as curious as everyone else as to what the hell was going on.

>>382280506
Yeah, just quit out. You get 2 somas on the lead-up to the final boss, and the enemies drop decent items, so just grind a bit.

>>382280283

If Persona spinoffs count, no.

>>382280297
The nav is the biggest plot hole and they use it as a scapegoat a lot when Futaba joins.

Had to got to the Diet building to enter the palace, but Futabas palace started them in the middle of the desert. And They were able to get into Kamoshidas Cognition from blocks away from the school.

Also its seems to shift you throwing them in and out at breakneck speed to you not even noticing you have shifted worlds.

>>382280506
just use hp attack nigga

>>382279916
Doesn't add up since the treasure dematerializes after a day

>>382280840
Didn't joker spend exactly 1 day in custody?

First of all ,if was easy as fuck to discover who were the phantom thieves seeing as how it all started after the mc moved in, after the first case he should had been a suspect , with madarame it should be even more clear that he was behind it.

>>382280283
spinoffs aside, yes. the ending is basically gurren lagann, and the rest of it is retarded. it was best when it was just a few dumbass teenagers trying to be heroes. as in, before makoto joined.

>>382280506
I got beat him without any SP restore albums, but that's because I had a ton of health items, and 4 SP Adhesives on my party members.

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>>382281042
it was only good during the first dungeon and even then the game practically forces you to hate Kamoshida

how did we go from Catherine to this game?

>>382280506
You don't have a soma?

>the phone mentioned once

????

>>382281360
Not him, but I used my last Soma in the final archangel fight.

>>382280506
Charge, God Hand, sit back and relax

>>382281247
Development hell. You can tell that after futaba the game is rushed to all hell, from characterization, story, and even level design. Hopefully if they release an updated version it could fix some of the problems, but It's not likely

>>382281508
I don't have god hand

>>382281247
>omg the transfer student has a record!
>He is Dangerous!!!

>kamoshida Breaks a kids leg beats the shit out of student and molest girls
>omg He is the greatest.

I mean i know the whole game the Holy grail was fucking everyone cognition, but shit writing is still shit writing no matter how you hide it with plot.

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>>382279314
modern persona loves making it seem like normies are ignorant and out of the loop but this is still the same universe where the new world order existed.

>>382281247
>how did we go from Catherine to this game?
>>The initial story was written by Hashino, who originally worked alone on the scenario before other writers were brought on to help.

>>382281615
WTF are you even doing?

Ryuji learns it all naturally. I just beat the game today on my blind playthrough and still realized the game is basically Persona 5:get in Ryuji's backpack.

>>382281830
Persona 5: A series of Ryuji high-fives

>>382280506
>I have no SP restore item
How...? Weren't you calling Kawakami to make you coffee every single night?

>>382280506
Did you guys know you can talk to Lavenza and she heals you?

>People don't speak to Futaba after the palace
>She literally explains the entire plan, in every detail
Akechi was a shitty villain, I was mildly upset I was spoiled on him being the traitor but it's so comically obvious they shouldn't have even bothered.
I was only slightly surprised that he was the black mask/murderer, I thought Shido was a special fuck and had a persona.

>>382279040
How did real Joker get put in jail as well as Saes cognitive Joker?

>>382281042
>the ending is basically gurren lagann
it's insanely cheesey but I love the ending to bits
even mishima's dumb cheering got a smile out of me

>>382279040
I think the real question is why did the guard take so long to dissolve after Akechi shot him. It reeks of plot convenience.

>discussion about P5 gets dumber with each passing day
>eventually reddit or neogaf will unironically be better places to talk about it even with the addition of social horseshit

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>>382280506
>There are people who played the game that didn't max Takemi first and then get the best accessory in the game

>>382279040
I didn't even try to understand that part. That whole thing about palaces and "distortions" never made much sense either.

Is Persona 5 the MGS2 of the series?

>>382282717
That so many people knew about the Metaverse at all surprised me, and made me happy because it reminded me of the old Persona games in that regard.

Also, was I the only one that thought that akechi is a copy of Light Yagami? It becomes even clearer with his breakdown at the end.

>>382282717
Akechi was a lackey, the real villain was Shido.

>>382283042

I mean, the story itself is really dumb what else do you want?

>>382283504
I liked how even Shido looked right through Akechi.

>>382283469
He has nothing in common with Light outside of they're both killers.

Light's motivation is a perverted desire to "rid the world of evil", Akechi's motivation is comically retarded.

"My biological dad was a shit head, so I'm going to use my magical powers to (try) and make him one of the most powerful people in the world, and then I'm going to...do something about this man who I hate and have done nothing but help"

>>382283383
Goro is at least the Raiden of the series. The number of people that totally missed the point because they can't register anything if it isn't paced properly is staggering. At first it was really more Atlus' fault because the pacing was screwy to begin with but jesus fucking christ people are just completely hopeless.

>>382283042
hard to have a good discussion about a dumb game

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>>382283504
He was a good fight at least, Rivers in the Desert is a really nice song.

>>382281624
Jap school culture is actually kind of like that irl from what I understand. They are actual cunts.

>>38228364 I didn't mean his motivation. His appearance and even his personality looks just the same as light. The whole act he put by trying to look like a good guy and secretly being the culprit was pretty much like light did too.

And that scene at the end that he starts screaming and saying that he would kill everyone looked a lot like the end of death note when light was about to die too.

>>382283769
I was really hoping we'd get some crossover art with him and Armstrong.

I'm doing New Game+ right now. Does Akechi get to keep the gear he has equipped when he leaves? I notice he no longer has the gun I bought at the casino before the boss

>>382283802
Reputation IS a huge deal in Japan.

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>P5 Crimson
>PThieves: adults are bad and stuffs
>Ann: Jesus Christ Adachi, I mean, Akechi, you are the killer! Stop killing people, I mean, oh mah gawd
>Akechi: NO! I AM THE SON OF MY FATHER AND AM GOING FULL CHUCHU
>Ryuji: man I don't like you, but plz stop, it is your fathers fault for using you and efffshit
>Akechi: NOOO... but I wanted to eat pancakes with my daddy
>Haru: I wanted to eat poop coffee with my father too, until you killed him. But let's be friends and hold hands
>after beating the crap out of Akechi the evil inside is gone or some god that corrupted him
>Makoto gives an almighty speech about justice and how bad those adults are
>Morgana says something useless that he knows how he feels despite not being a human
>Futaba just wants Shido
>Yusuke with mad face says a line
>Protag chooses the right answer between all that dialog
>Akechi: oh, okay lol lets be friends

This is what will happen right? They will forgive a teenager but bad adults not because adults are bad and mean, right?

Persona 5 is a mess, it feels like a real rushed job after the second dungeon.

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>>382284064
>The whole act he put by trying to look like a good guy and secretly being the culprit was pretty much like light did too.
While you're not wrong, I don't think "Evil murderer pretends to be upstanding good-doer" is a light-exclusive character.

The ending is somewhat similar, but I think the differences are too great since without the death note Light's some pompous 17 year old. Even outside of the metaverse akechi was fine with just straight up real-world (or at least, what he thought was real world) murdering two people, one of which who technically worked for him.

>>382284174
I don't know if Akechi's stuff carries over ( I never used him and never checked) , but I know everyone else's does.

>>382284257
He's dead, Jim.

Persona 5 could have used a Strega-esque group instead of just Akechi.

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>>382283769
>Shido with a tiny bit of health
>change Makoto with Yusuke
>that moment Yusuke gets attacked
>High Counter of 300 and something dmg
>Shido defeated

>>382284693
Akechi was better than Strega.

>>382279040
Akechi exist the palace because walks past the spot the hallway where he entered which counts as the entrance

>>382279314
Actually, my theory is that the cops arresting Joker are just part of Sae's subconsious. Akechi alerts the police so Sae would be aware of the police mobilization that occurs to capture the phantom thieves. That results in shadow police showing up in Sae's palace. They overpowered Joker cuffed him and Akechi brought him out to the real police.

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>>382284759
>mfw killing Yaldy with God's Hand

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I'm a Harufag but I really expected Sae to fill in the gap left Akechi. I was pretty hyped too but it never happened.

Sae just leaves you with Max Rank Judgment of True Justice filled with question marks. And it never does anything on the final boss unlike say the final Arcanas of Persona 3 and 4.

Then Sae forces you to be arrested before celebrating New Years or even Christmas properly. What a douchebag, I made sure to burn her defense attorney card on the way back. Akechi gets name dropped for shitty writing, but Sae deserves a round of applause for being a huge faggot. Be it me far from being a Makotofag, but that poor girl got better treatment from Shadow Sae than the real Sae.

The weird thing is that akechi was actually a better villain than shido. And shido himself was an infinitely better villain than that stupid final boss.

>>382284771
I'd say they are pretty even. But what I mean is there should have been a group of evil Persona user because that works as much more of a foil for the Phantom Thieves. Might even have made them be direct puppets for Demiurg and you get to fight them at the end of Mementos.

>>382284915
> hold on Sae let me spend christmas night before going to jail
> Fuck her sister

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>>382285127
That is true.

>>382284404
I don't care about Akechi, he is barely useful in battle and his character was meh to me.
But you are underestimating the power of a 2nd version. They can easily turn him good with all those dialog options, they can even not make you fight his 2nd phase with the black mask and make them fight that shadow/cognitive Akechi instead.

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>>382284759
>Debilitate Akechi as Joker
>Haru running on a Heat Riser buff
>Giving Haru the killing blow against all phases of Akechi

That shit was tight. Felt like the two of us were really a couple. Straight outta Gundam G hype.

>>382285276
If they do an "Akechi's good and/or not dead" thing it's going to be after you fight him, since you don't see his body and Futaba only says his metaverse signal left.

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>>382279040
The whole bloody game from Futabas way of sitting to the whole JUSTICE and God Meta reeks of someone who is in love with Deathnote.

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>fuse this guy with Offense Master
>whole game is now a total joke as protag is basically untouchable thanks to physical reflect and one-shots the entire enemy group on turn 1 with Swift Strike
Nice game

>>382285117
>villian with lots of characterization and interaction with party
>villian with some characterization and little interaction with party
>villian with essentially zero characterization and no interaction with party
gee I wonder why. This is the problem with persona games after 2, they don't really relate you to the final boss besides saying "it's the big bad that caused everything!" I hope they drop the god fight, or at least relate the party to him like they did evil maki or nyarly

>>382285276
Barely useful?

He was the strongest character that i had in sae's palace.

>>382285448
>The whole bloody game from Futabas way of sitting
You know that that's an incredibly common "antisocial sitting pose" right, it's why they had L do it.

I did it and apparently my dad did it too for years before death note even existed.

>>382284915
True Justice means that you unlocked the way to the true ending at all.
Otherwise the final powers are always The World, aren't they?

At the very least everyone of your other Confidants gave enough of a shit to want and get you out of Juvie.
Yoshida is best boy!

>>382285529
I keep seeing people say this and I wonder how shitty their teams were in sae's palace.

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>>382285470
pffff you call that an exploit?

Reaper +flu season=max level in less that an hour. Oh and you get those half damage accessories to sell or wear.

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>>382283076
tfw got her to 8 just to get sp adhesive

>>382285480
Didn't Persona 4 Golden work around with that by having you interact with part of the final boss and have her presence be hinted at way more?

>>382285480
Nyarlathotep somehow gets the most party interaction by technically being like 5 people at once.

>>382285581
>At the very least everyone of your other Confidants gave enough of a shit to want and get you out of Juvie.
>Iwai straight up gets his old yakuza gang to make sure no one fucks with you in juvie
best boy

>>382285470
>Make a Yoshitsune with every possible repel or drain there is
Now that's how you make the game a joke

>>382285470
you could max the stats of a persona as low as level 30 in P3, due to the stat cards. Stuff like auto-tarukaja+90str+90 luck, critting every hit. On top of that, percentages of the stats would carry over when you fused, so you would still have personas with 75-80 in their stats, when all the basic ones were still going for 20s-40s

>>382285480
Exactly. As much as i liked Nyx on 3, the whole thing of "oooh, humans, you all shall perish, cuz i am a god, and whatever" grew old pretty fast. The same thing happened on persona 5. It just feels cheap. That scene in special that yaldabaoth shoots them with a lightning and they all feel weak and start thinking they all lost.. and then all of a sudden everything is safe, was very cringey, at least for me.

>>382285703
You had to interact with her cunty cunt aspect

>>382285753
Everyone is best at that moment.
Well not Sae but who cares about that cunt?

>>382285908
>Everyone is best at that moment.
mishima's still a weirdo
if anything he's best when you're fighting yaldy

>>382285641
I just started ng plus and never beat the reaper, but this interests me greatly. Does he just fall asleep often? What level could you start that?

>>382285627
I don't think mine was shitty. I played in normal and the boss in sae's palace was alright. I didn't think it was hard.

>>382285276
They already set up a place for his character to go after he disappears. Literal seconds before he supposedly dies he changes his heart. He starts over his relationship with Joker with an actual deal instead of the bullshit blackmail one they made earlier. He isn't a puppet anymore, he isn't going to do whatever he's told to do in the hopes that someone will acknowledge him. Making him "good" either in place of these events or after them would actually cause him to make 0 fucking sense and be as though none of the characterization in the game actually mattered.

>>382285819
It's almost laughable how p3, 4, and 5 pull a Necron after you deal with does you encounter multiple times or who you have some interaction or interest in. Instead of an evil will and the collective unconscious making a villain, it's just a big bad who wasn't relevant for 95% of the game.

>>382285862
Hey Yu is pretty much Izanagi, it was bound to happen that part of Izanami would go full tsundere for him. Still doesn't change that Marie made it a bit more personal.

>>382285529
by Sae's palace I had >>382285470 with miracle punch and ran akira/morgana/makoto/ann just critting away at everything, with ann debuffing each boss' attack before joining in on the fun. It's the only dungeon where I felt almost every party combination was viable

>>382281508
Literally this
>>382281615
HAHAHAHAHA

>>382285952
You can only do it on November 13, 14th, and 15th, and then December 8th and 9th.

It's the flu season so enemies randomly spawn with Despair, meaning they can't attack and will die in 2 turns. This applies to the reaper.

If you're in NG+ and can make a brokensune you don't have to wait until then, though.

>>382285952
Not pollen, flu. As in shadows get despair.

>>382285529
Makoto, Ryuji, Yusuke was enough for me. Physical was all I needed. Just when Rangda appears I would use elemental spells

Haru is the one that can really be a beast but gets to be way too late in-game when you stack those 2 gun-skills

>>382285952
during flu season enemies have a chance to have despair which keeps them from attacking and they die in 3 turns. So on flu season you to to mementos and idle for a bit till the reaper spawns. If battle starts and he doesnt have despair just run and keep starting the fight till he does have despair. When he has despair wait 3 turns and he dies giving you a fuck ton of exp and a accessory that reduced damage by 50%

>>382285641
Not even an exploit though, it's fusing a standard persona and making it inherit one extremely common skill. Pretty ridiculous that that can trivialize the whole game, and be stronger at ~level 60 than the level 70+ personas you can fuse at the end.

>>382285703
it does help a bit to characterize Izanami, but it stills leaves ameno-sagiri as "that thing that was influencing adachi and wanted fog and stuff." Doesn't help they tied it to one of the most love/hate characters in the series. I do like that they had the evil final boss actually give Yu, Adachi, and nametame their personas though, or be the starting influence besides just an overpowering "it was god's will ooga booga"
>>382285719
Izanami is technically 3 people, and nyx two, but they still have so little compared to nyarly. I think the philemon role needs to come back

>>382286061
Aren't all the gods basically shaped by the collective uncoscious since they were all created by the human mind?

Though there were also hints that not everything was right in the Velvet Room.

>>382286085
I had him too. That part where you need to defeat some shadows alone with joker was laughable to me since i kept using that same persona and he blocks physical attacks.

>>382280283
No
>>382281247
Different writers.
Hell Catherine is an outlier to Atlus' Megaten anyway, barebones or flawed like persona in other aspect

>>382281247
IMO, Catherine was WAY better than persona 5, seriously.

>>382286378
>it does help a bit to characterize Izanami, but it stills leaves ameno-sagiri as "that thing that was influencing adachi and wanted fog and stuff." Doesn't help they tied it to one of the most love/hate characters in the series. I do like that they had the evil final boss actually give Yu, Adachi, and nametame their personas though, or be the starting influence besides just an overpowering "it was god's will ooga booga"
She acually give them their Persona's. Just the power to enter the Midnight Channel. Notice how Namatame doesn't have one?

>I think the philemon role needs to come back
Philemon fucked off and let his Wild Cards do their thing after his involvement had him restore the universe at the end of 2.

>>382286575
Catherine's story wasn't even that good and it was a much shorter game. People bitch and moan about P4 or 5 playing it safe but Catherine took the route where Vincent didn't actually cheat on Katherine at all, he was just constantly led to believe that he was. Everything that came from the succubus reveal onward was hilariously bad. And also Ishtar literally sitting there and explaining the themes after the game was over, that was bad too.

>>382286575
>>382286660
Now I'm wondering if Vincent and Joker could be related.

>>382285952
No he starts the fight afflicted by despair, he dies automatically after 3 turns

>>382286428
>Aren't all the gods basically shaped by the collective uncoscious since they were all created by the human mind?
Yea, that's why most of them are popular mythos characters.

I literally just got past this part of the game, so not gonna stay in this thread.
But this was all explained in game a shit ton, I just got done talking with Futaba and she basically spells out everything about the operation, including this.

I don't really get why Joker has those 'white flashes' where he fades out of reality, though?

>>382286802
You know, when the first trailer for p5 first came around and i saw joker at the trailer, i actually tought it was vincent. They look so much alike.

>>382285641
>reaper
>get ambushed
>termopthphofododfiasia(attack, def, eva/acc)
>80 dmg
>50 dmg
>Ryuji AAAAAARGHCHARGE 110 dmg
>half health bar
>reaper starts spamming concentrate and megidolaon until the end of the fight

It was boring. Should have taken the advantage of the flu shit

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>>382285581
>>382285753
>Haru immediately picks up something is off on Christmas Eve
>"It hurts you're keeping secrets from me. You and I are going to have a long discussion about this tomorrow"
>[internal screaming]
>Get arrested on Christmas
>Based faggot Mishima is out on the streets trying to get people to sign a petition to this injustice all because I never called him a faggot to his face
>Based washed up politician Yoshida getting his fellow legislators to bring my case to the masses
>Ex-Yakuza bringing the crew together to make sure no one messes with me in jail
>Local town doctor making sure my side of the story is heard by the housewives
>Prosecutor lady actually fixes the mess she got me into
>Leave prison on the same shitty car as the start of the game
>Haru starts crying on Valentine's Day after I apologize

This was pretty kino.

>>382286834
I wouldn't call Demiurg popular, since that one's pretty obscure in and of itself.
Nyarly is way more known than him.
Though I have to appreciate that 5 actually did go back to some of the more horror-ish themes, with the fusing of the Metaverse and Tokyo or how the end of Mementos looked. It was all way more creepier than 4 in that aspect.

>>382286864
The holes in the memory? They never actually state it outright, but they were made by Yaldy so truth serum would not make the game unwinnable. It's very easy to miss in the deluge of cutscenes but he actually 'helps' you restore them after you clear the interrogation.

>>382286864
the drug is inhibiting jokers ability to remember shit properly

>>382280283
No because Persona 4's story was more retarded.

>>382286971
Made the whole social link thing feel like it actually mattered since all the non party ones get involved into the plot one way or another after Shido's calling card.

Ann also notices that something's up on Christmas by the way.

>>382286704
>Philemon fucked off after he restored the universe
I get it from a story pov, but the whole god thing just feels so unexpected and contrived if you don't establish gods are involved in the beginning, or at least something bigger at some point in the story. In every scenario 3-5, the god angle is really only brought up at the end or close to, so it just feels so weird. Mentioning someone like philemon would help ease that job

>>382286864
>I don't really get why Joker has those 'white flashes' where he fades out of reality, though?
I didn't get that until NG+ either, those were the drugs that the police gave you fucking with your head.

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>>382287247
and Persona 3 even moreso

>>382287184
Also a great way to make the reveal that it's all a ruse even better.

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>story is shit
>characters are generic
>gameplay is SMT lite

why the fuck do people like these games

>>382287465
because everything you said is subjective

>>382287338
P3's story was way too basic to be retarded
P4 was only slightly more complicated and it was a dumpster fire
P5 does have the best story of the three seeing how its only real fault is trying to have more go on in one arc than there was in the entirety of P4

>>382287293
In 3 and 4 it was implied that the blue butterfly was Philemon watching and saving your game.

And he should still be around at the very least, since Mitsuru met Nanji in Ultimax and he clearly know what a Persona is too.

>>382287579
butterfly at the end of 5 is philly too, unless we're to believe that Lavenza has more than one butterfly form

Why was Akechi handled so horribly?

>Supposed to be your rival
>Just turns out to have some serious fucking daddy issues and his role as the anti-Joker is never fleshed out

>Add him to the party
>He's easily the funnest party member to use, Atlus obviously put more effort into his persona/skillset, outfit, animations, all out attack screens, etc. than anyone else
>He immediately fucks off afterwards then shoots himself after a boss battle that should have had instrumental Rivers in the Desert

>God himself says he was picked to battle over the fate of the world with you
>Hes never mentioned again by anyone except for one scene of Shido dialogue
>He also died as a fucking midboss to a guy who was instantly made irrelevant when god showed up

>>382287465
>look at my opinions
>they are now fact

>>382287573
5 at the very least re-established again that a lot more people know that their world is fucking strange and that special powers actually exist.
Also the group not falling in the sudden yet inevitable 'betrayal twist'

>>382287573
P4's story was much more coherent than P5's. I don't see how you can say it was worse.

>>382287705
He should have at least had a 1v1 against joker

>dramatic as fuck loki reveal
>loki is absolute shit compared to robin hood and uses shit like agilao

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>>382287338
I'm gonna ask around in draw threads to see if people can make Shadow Reggie and Shadow Todd.

>>382287579
>the blue butterfly was philemon
realistically, how many people do you think caught that reference?

>>382287705
Because he was literally Light from Deathnote.

>>382287805
Dude if you think p4 wasn't anything other than a giant trashheap im not sure what to tell you man

P5 at LEAST tied the series back into SMT a little bit

>>382287705
he is the Anti-Joker though. He's a shit person that everybody believes is a good guy. Joker's a good person everybody believes is shit. Akechi gets wild card, he has no friends. Joker gets wild card, grows stronger from his friends. The one person Akechi hangs out with (Sae) becomes a progressively worse and unhappy person with the more exposure to him, opposite for everybody with Joker, etc.

>>382287809
>He didnt 1v1 Akechi

>>382287705
>He also died as a fucking midboss to a guy who was instantly made irrelevant when god showed up
So like Strega and Adachi (well ok he didn't die)

>Finally make a rival wild card character
>They only use 1 persona at a time

WEW lad

>>382287705
>Why was Akechi handled so horribly?
I dunno, it's the same thing that happened to Nagito in Danganronpa 2. Cool rival character who is perfectly built up to be the true villain, and then gets killed off in an anticlimactic way before the final act. Such a waste of potential in both cases. I was sure that Akechi would at least re-appear at some point as you never actually see him die.

>>382287847
The ones that don't realize that most likely haven't played Persona 1 and 2.

>>382288091
Well he only has two.

>>382287875
I think the same way. It looks like they drew some inspiration from death note. Even the way futaba sits looks like L.

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>>382288138
I don't think I've ever disagreed with an opinion more than this. Everything about the way Nagito was handled in Danganronpa 2 was perfect. If Nagito """""lived""""" it would've ruined everything.

>>382283769
I had no so restorative items, this boss really fucked me on the final phase. Also fuck debilitate being 30sp.

>>382287929
His role as the anti-Joker could have been better if he had more screentime. By the time he dies, all anyone says is "Oh that sucks", Yaldy has a throwaway line about two wild cards, and that's it. Nothing. All this buildup around a character that had more plot significance than your own party members and he's just tossed away.

>>382286971
>>382287272
>>382285581
>>382285753

I was actually really disappointed that we didn't get to see the actual trial. I think it would have been really awesome to have an interactive trial that decided and impacted the final ending.

The system is rigged after all, you have to steal your freedom.

Playing through days in juvie to set things up for your biggest heist of all- to steal your own freedom back without anyone ever knowing. Planting evidence, smuggling information, setting up ways to discredit those who are going to unfairly prosecute you- and then you turn it all around on people in clever ways during the trial, phoenix wright style. To get the best ending you need max of all social stats, as each one will have a decision linked to it that will effect how well you will make a certain point.

>>382287705
>his role as the anti-Joker is never fleshed out

His role as the anti-Joker is the whole character
>weighed down by past as undesirable child instead of actively fighting his past
>abuses multiple personas just to get people to want him instead of using them to make people's lives better
>absolutely obsessed with public appearance and pretenses while Joker spends the entire game trying to change the world without anyone knowing his name
>blackmails instead of making mutually beneficial deals with the people around him
>justice is just an excuse instead of the actual drive behind actions
>Joker gets everything that Goro wants by being a legit version of who he's pretending to be just for (You)s
>Whether or not he's doing good or evil doesn't even matter because being desired is always the end goal
>Refuses to acknowledge any of that until said legit version actually comes into his life and starts unraveling him


tbqh he's lightyears ahead of dirt simple foils like Adachi

>>382288452
I'm sorry but fuck that. Persona 5 is a hundred hour game and Akechi gets plenty of screen time. He has motivation problems, not symbolism problems. You don't fix him with more screen time, you fix him by giving him a non-retarded reason for doing what he does.

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>>382288336
>Don't use the Reaper Flu trick since I stayed away from social media and message boards so I had no idea it was a thing
>Only grinded for money but I was constantly poor because of Fortune reading
>Go into Shido's boss battle with Joker, Haru, Yusuke, and Makoto
>Nothing is dangerous at all
>Phase 2 oh shit extra turns
>Walk it off with Trumpeter
>Swap out Makoto for Ann
>Haru and Ann doing more damage the Yusuke and carrying the fight hard

Having those reflect physical/magic on the girls really helped out. Make sure to turn Persona into items.

>>382288561
You are both wrong and right. He definitely could do with more screen time, but he also could do with a better reason. it was beyond retarded.

>>382288495
Leave tha tfor the inevitable re-release.

Could even make it so that you have to play as the rest of the PT without Joker, with your waifu (or Ryuji if you didn't romance anyone from the group or Futaba) being the designated player character.

>>382288774
If anything he had too much screen time.

>>382284759
>Joker, Morg, Ryuji, and Ann for every phase
We started it like that and we were damn well going to finish it like that. I had a busted Trumpeter and Raphael that were immune to basically everything. Shido was a cool boss but ultimately he was a fair fight, and by that time in the game you should be able to obliterate fair fights. Should have despaired instead of feared.

>>382288857
>Using the OG4 for the (perceived) last palace
My Nigga.

>>382288252
>Even the way futaba sits looks like L.
is everyone retarded or is it just you who keeps saying this

>>382288336
See my post here >>382283076

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>>382288971
Spoiler your posts when talking about DR2 in a non DR thread.

Hell yeah I did. Nagito works best as a wild card who the gang has to deal with. I'd fucking hate a mastermind Nagito, I think that would completely ruin his character. Instead we ended up getting what is generally considered the best case of the entire series with his death. Also, I disagree that he got the most "development". Nagito doesn't really get any development at all; he's the same person from start to finish. The only difference was that the people he thought were symbols of hope turned out to be symbols of despair.

>>382287798
P5's doing that does make me wonder where the hell Nanjo is in all this

>>382289117
Uh.. i only said it once.

>>382289213
Futaba/L's sitting posture is a common thing in antisocial people and other things and has been for long before the existence of death note

>>382288336
>not having that skill that halves sp use
>not having that skill halves hp use
>not ffffee-usion persona to get those skill into others
>not "wow inmate that's DARK" to inherit skills
>not turning some persona into card skills and making Yusuke to copy high skill cards

What are you doing?

>>382289207
Probably working with Mitsuru on those Shadow Ops.
My guess is that they were looking into the mental shutdown, but assumed it might be related to Nyx.

>>382288561
He doesn't have motivation problems in that sense. He was willing to compromise on anything if he thought someone would need him if he did and that's why he turned killer for Shido. If you take that away you have to take away most of the character because him being that insanely dependent on the views other people is the foundation of everything he stands for thematically.

>>382288971
This, I waited a long fucking time after DR2 for Komaeda's buildup to actually go somewhere but it never fucking came because Kodaka is a literal piece of shit.

>>382289204
>Nagito doesn't really get any development at all; he's the same person from start to finish.
Character arc =/= character development. Nagito is the most fleshed out character, and yet he dies like an utter chump.

>>382289269
Really? well, i may be wrong in that case then (even though ive never seen any antisocial person sit like that except L). But the whole inspiration for akechi in light still stands. It's just too obvious.

>>382281042

>the ending is basically gurren lagann
So was Persona 4's.

>>382289509
It's less "Akechi is based on Light" and more "Akechi and Light are both a (relatively) common character type", but the influence probably was there, yea.

>>382289545
P4 was actually more so with Yu's waifu vanishing and the showing up again as a twist.

>>382289450
And it resulted in the best case in the series. He didn't die like a chump, he died like how he should've died.

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I'm almost certain everything to do with the Casino portion was initially the real world until the game went through all of its rewrites. Stuff like the cutscene focusing on Shido's victim (who is a cognitive fake unrelated to Sae) just seems so out of place otherwise.

>>382289706
>And it resulted in the best case in the series
Not really. His motive was stupid and he accomplished nothing. It completely torched his character. DR2's cases were terrible in general.

Akechi was my favorite character. He's got a nice Ganimard vibe going on where he's competent, but Joker is ahead of him every step of the way. This is true both before Sae's palace and after. The tacoyaki scene is probably my favorite bit of goofy filler in any of the 3 modern Persona games.

His detective persona was cool and it was nice to see a somewhat cocky antagonist that was sympathetic toward the thieves but still felt they needed to be brought to justice. I appreciated the banter with Joker and thought it would have been better if he hinted that he strongly suspected that he knew Joker was the culprit.

I'd have liked if his battle was turned into a short segment. It was strange just having 3 battles back to back. I also would have enjoyed a 1v1 duel but I guess that's wishful thinking since I can't recall it happening anywhere else outside of that one Futaba S.Link.

Loki absolutely should have gotten more screen time.

>>382279040

I still don't understand why the cops didn't keep Joker in prison after the Shido arc. I mean wouldn't they recognize him on the screen when the thieves were giving out their last calling card?

>>382289782
God, your opinions are just the worst. His motivation was the same as always. He went after Mikan in 2-3 with the same fervor he went after the others in 2-5. It was completely consistent with his characterization up to that point.

>>382289769
What makes you say that? Where did the rewrite occur? Don't just spitball.

>>382289769
A lot of the opening cutscence (which was made early in development since it was one of the first trailers) kinda seem weird when taken into the context of the cognitive palace. Like normal dudes with guns who I guess are supposed to be cognitive security (?) chasing you instead of shadows.

>>382289794
They were too busy trying to find out how he escaped in the first place and then they didn't find him at the Cafe when it was too late. And after Shido had his change of heart everyone involved tried to save their own asses.

>>382289940
Those cognitive dudes turned into Shadows at the very beginning already. And in Shido's palace the entirety of the cognitive version of some of his head honchos have fused with Shadows. So it makes sense in that regard.

>>382289940
They're actual people and not shadows. Akechi brought them with him

>>382289794
Dude they already knew who he was long before that. They don't go after him during the Shido arc because they still think he's dead and once the arc is over there's only a few days left until he gets rearrested.

>>382289929
95% of P5 discussion is spitballing. Don't forget that there are retards that actually think the game was in development for 8 years.

>>382280772
The desert in Futaba's world represented everything outside her room, like Yongen Jaya.

For the dudes arguing, this is the earliest in-game trailer of Persona 5. This is the rare of the trailers since it was only part of that P4 Dancing Night Bluray preorder in Japan and ATLUS went insane trying to copyright strikes it. You could call it the first real gameplay reveal.

https://youtu.be/W-dLW7jSeRk?t=42

Besides the instrumental music being different, the overarching plot remains the same with the first palace being the castle, meaning the story is already framed as a flashback from your arrest. And this IS the earliest publicly seen footage of the Persona 5 in game.

>>382290473
Not true, PV1 was the gameplay reveal and that happened at Persona Super Live. Kamoshida's castle was featured in that as well.

>>382290213
>And in Shido's palace the entirety of the cognitive version of some of his head honchos have fused with Shadows

Yeah but in that case it's specifically brought up how weird it was and how it was probably tied with Shido knowing about the metaverse. Nobody brings it up in Sae's palace how the formerly all shadow security detail now suddenly look like normal dudes with guns, who then turn into shadows anyways when they caught you.

I'm sure you could justify in in-story with not too much difficulty, it just kinda smells of a rewrite sometime in development.

>>382290214
Nah the cops outside the palace were brought in with Akechi. The security officers who chase Joker inside the palace were shadows/cognitive people.

>>382290596
Really? Can you link me bro, I've been trying to see what changed from the start to the final product.

>>382290473
The wait for that trailer was real, thanks for the nostalgia trip anon.

Part of me wonders what the game would be like if the party stopped expanding with Yusuke

>>382290723
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc_9r4wifFc
The changes are almost entirely art style related. Iwai's customization is the one gameplay thing that was noticeably altered in any way and not even by that much.

>>382288091
he doesn't have wildcard

Caroline and Justine mentioned that notIgor was surprised that Joker has wildcard

>>382290214
Actually, the only people Akechi brought were the police outside. The chasers are cognitive shadows, and are seen bursting into their shadow form in the game's first gameplay segment.

>>382290723
As a little tidbit, PV 3 heavily showed off near-final footage and the Mouse mechanics for the dungeons are in the Castle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvpOwQaqRXA

>>382290924
There must have been some actual story changes though. You can see Mona's phantom thief form in Leblanc at 1:18, which implies that they had an entirely different idea for how the metaverse worked.

>>382291026
Yaldy did not give anyone their persona powers, he gave them the nav app and their situations escalated from there. Joker and Goro both can use multiple personas because of their own potential.

>>382281643

I miss that from the Duology, and how every person can pull a persona out and fight you to the death.

>>382286660
They're totally different games, how can you even compare them?

>>382290924
>joker's all-out looked way more sinister originally

I actually liked the current version a lot better, not all changes are bad it seems!

>>382291223
really? I was under the impression that anyone with a Persona gets the app

>>382291396
I know they are. I just meant that they were both made by atlus. Well, more specifically, the characters and story were better in catherine in my opinion. I was talking about the overall "feel" of the game.

>>382291453
They were initially playing him off as a sinister type of guy. His having a giggle at the police, Arsene's monologues in PV 2, his toned down expressions in his AoA and finisher, to name a few.

>>382291491
Doesn't everyone has a persona but just doesn't know about it? At least i think it was like this.

>>382291491
He gives them to people that have the potential, like Futaba. Actually if he didn't give her the app when he did she never would've become a Persona user and much of the game going forward would've been impossible for Joker to win.

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>>382291453
>everyone has this edgy sharp flair in their AoA portraits
>except Joker and Akechi

the original is better

>>382291512
Fair enough. Catherine is a much more focused game with a much smaller cast, so it's not too surprising the characters in it were handled a little better.

>>382291652
agree to disagree i guess, looks more poor quality and he looks uglier, new looks more sharp and joker still keeps his smugness

>>382287705
It's doubtful he died, they clearly left enough of an out that they can bring him back in the spinoffs.

It was a disappointment though and a stain on an otherwise great dungeon.

>>382291219
I didn't mention that because you can see him in his cat form in the human world in other parts of the trailer. Not really sure if that's an indication of a story change or if it was just an aspect of the vertical slice.

>>382291453
The only Atlus game were all changes were bad is P4. And I mean every single change. P5's changes all seem to have been for the better especially as far as the character designs go. And also the conversion of the starting persona from Mephistopheles to Arsene without doing too much to the design because putting Joker's deals with friends and co-ops in that context has weird moral implications and doesn't mesh with Goro at all.

>>382291652
That almost looks like placeholder art. That particular image of Joker is nowhere near the quality of the ones that ended up in the final game.

>>382292010
What kinda changes did 4 get?

Like actual confirmed changes, not tinfoil hat conspiracy ones

>>382292010
What changed for the worse in P4?

>>382288537
Probably the single best detail in the game regarding him is how he's the only character that was deliberately named after a fictional character, while everyone else is inspired by real people.

Was Morgana actually human or something? I finished the game and didn't understand that part.I know he was made by Igor but even after he remembers that he still keeps saying that he will become human and i don't remember it ever being explained after that part.

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>>382287836
If you want to get all jungian on us then yeah we've all got personas, as in: the personalities, masks, presented psyche that you concoct to interact with others. The (you) that shitposts on 4chan is very different from the (you) that goes to work.

Persona also takes the route that these masks are actually common tropes shared across all of humanity and through time. Yes, this means (you) shitposting is the same persona, the same mask of a roman legionnaire writing >celt on the lavatory two millenia ago.

So we've got the same basic human behaviour costumes we all put on from time to time, maybe you could give them a name? Maybe they're a character all on their own? Maybe some gooks can take this idea, vastly bastardize and fantasise it and say personas are actually demons?

Well they did, so why can't (you) summon a demon? Because this shit aint real, but if you were in the world of notSMT you probably wouldn't be able to either, because for most people while yeah you have a persona, and almost certainly some shadows you aren't also conscious of this.

TL;DR in persona everyone has personas, but pinnochio and his pimp lord P limmy have to slap you with their dicks to get you to be aware of it.

Or you could take an outdated course in Jungian psychology and be aware of it too.

>>382292297
I liked every single one of these rat room puzzles.

>>382292080
His eyes look warped.

>>382292274
He's like the embodiment of humanity's hope or something. He thinks he is supposed to be a human because he comes from within us all.

Or some Disney shit like that.

>>382292318
Did you respond to the right person.

>>382292340
I wasn't particularly fond of the rat room puzzles, but I did love the pun about you being "rattled" and the run away animation

>>382292297
I really loved how the mice had the same stances as the characters in human form.

>>382292274
>Was Morgana actually human or something? I finished the game and didn't understand that part.I know he was made by Igor but even after he remembers that he still keeps saying that he will become human and i don't remember it ever being explained after that part.
It's explained in the velvet room before you fight yaldy, he's the embodiment of human hope.

So he's not a human, he is a """monster""" that was technically born in mementos.

>>382292441
I always thought those puns were off character coming from Yusuke

>>382292542
Yeah, stupid puns were already Futaba's thing. Yusuke suddenly coming out with a bunch of mice puns was weird.

>>382292441
I did, definitely.

>>382292542
I didn't mean his mouse puns (though those were ok), I more meant just the game itself saying "[Character] is RATtled" whenever you got hit by the status.

I don't remember f it actually played in Shido's palace, but I know it did in the Mot fight in Futaba's.

>>382292297
how do you have akechi at this point

>>382287247
>>382287338
I see you guys are still in that phase where you're unable to admit that it's possible a previous Persona game did something better than Persona 5.

Spoilers: The only thing P5 did better than the previous two iterations was gameplay.

>>382292782
>The only thing P5 did better than the previous two iterations was gameplay.
Did P3/P4 have better music and aesthetics? Because those are 11/10 in P5.

>>382292782
Just gameplay? Not presentation, style, or even music?

>>382292340
You need serious psychological help.

>>382291194
I assume they just wanted to show the cute mice but Shido's Ship wasn't ready to show yet.

>>382292194
>>382292250
Every character design is worse than at least one conceptual one, usually several. Even scrapped conceptual ones that became different characters later on like Ai and Mitsuo still look worse in the final game than they did before they were finalized. The original bizarre technicolor quality to Mayonaka, Teddie and the Velvet Room for that matter that went a lot better with the dated countryside concept is another thing the game absolutely should've had to make the setting interesting.

P4's problems were caused by Atlus' style of letting each production division mix often and having no design document to keep everyone on the same page. Hashino's explanation for why it was like this is that the team was very relaxed after P3 and thought they wouldn't need one, until it came back to bite them in the ass months down the line.

>>382292782
I never played P4 but P5 is better than P3:FES in basically every way.

>>382292852
P3 and P4 have more memorable music, but not necessarily better. P3 especially has insanely catchy songs.

>>382292782
Spoilers: People are just disillusioned and actual realise P3's shlock now. It's okay, you'll be joining P2fags soon.

>>382292921
>Mayonaka
Who?

>>382292508
It looks a bit weird when the embodiment of human hope is actually a talking cat.

>>382292782
>art style
>presentation
>fucking music
>UI
>actual attachment to the rest of the SMT universe

I think your phase of delusion isn't a phase anymore, it's permanent

>>382292891
Persona 5 is the epitome of style over substance.

>>382292852
Depends on what genre you like the most. My personal fav is 4

>>382292782
>the only thing this video game did better than other ones was gameplay
>stop liking this videogame like the older ones more

/v/ really has changed

>>382292958
Some of them are even completely out of place. At first you hate them, and all of a suden you find yourself loving them. At least it was like this for me.

>>382292297
Is it even possible to see Rat Akechi without hacking? Isn't Mot the only boss who can do that?

>>382293181
>Like this new game only because it's new.
>Don't criticize an incredibly safe rehash despite an insanely long development time.

You're right, /v/ has changed

>>382293157
Well I never really thought of myself as a person who likes dancing shit from the 70s and 80s but Last Surprise and Rivers in the Desert are some phenomenal songs.

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>>382292340
Me too. Shido's Palace might be my favorite Megami Tensei dungeon since DDS1.

>>382293258
>literally completely ignoring the post to make an irrelevant point
You're the reason its getting worse

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Why was Joker running away from the cops if his plan was to be caught anyway during the Sae palace heist? And Akechi was already with the team so he had no reason to put on a show for Akechi after the split.

>>382292958
>More memorable music
Maybe for some, but just about everything I've read regarding P5 commented on how fantastic the music is. Hell, I've actually heard the soundtrack being played in my local comic book shop a few times. Never had that happen with P3 or P4, though sheer popularity of P5 could have a lot to do with that.

Personally, I think P5's soundtrack blows both 3 and 4 out of the water. I love Reach Out to the Truth and up until P5, it was my favorite battle music out of any JRPG I'd played. Last Surprise bests it easily.

>>382293106
No, it has style in spades but it also has substance to back it up.

>>382293380
>Why was Joker running away from the cops if his plan was to be caught anyway during the Sae palace heist?
To make it believable, they would think something's up if he gave himself in.

>>382293431
It doesn't, though.

>>382293389
You hear p5 music outside at stores?

Hell, you hear anything outside that isn't rap or hyper-oldies?

Damn you live somewhere a lot cooler than me

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>>382292782
Characters are a lot better in P5. Social Links are a fucking joke compared to Confidants. In P4 basically every link is Shinya or Mishima level bad.

>>382281615
...you didn't make Siegfried. There are also other anons who didn't fuse Siegfried.

>>382293389
Reach Out To The Truth was always terrible, one of the worst tracks in P4.

>>382293529
Not really. Im not saying the social links are better, but confidants are shit, maybe even worse. For most of them you dont even learn anything about the confidant himself.

>>382292252
What? Do you mean Personas or like, the name "Goro Akechi" is based off of a real person?

>>382293529
Comparing p5 to the shitstain that is p4? I think that shows just how much p5 fucked up.

>>382293529
This is a great point

There are so many shit social links in p3/4

p3 you can't even slink with all of your party members, and:
>the fucking fat kid who's entire link is "mabye I should stop being fat"
>kenji
>all the club links from p4
>MY SISTER IS DEAD: the link
>the boring old people

>>382293648
And the choices still don't matter for anything. It's telltale all over again.

>>382292782
Let's dissect this once and for all.

P3's character development structure is not somehow objectively better than 4's or 5's. There is literally nothing wrong with the social link style, only with how it's used, and the volume of people trying to stroke P3's limp dick that have to pretend that any development it brings somehow doesn't count speaks to how shallow the development in P3 actually was.

P5 made far better use of the "new" structure than P4 did and it has far fewer bad co-ops overall. P5 has a much better opening than either, a much better middle section than either that actually played the Phantom Thief concept in a very unique way, and it only really becomes muddied near the end not because of the actual content but because of how quickly it throws it all at you. P5 also made far better use of its final boss god than 3 or 4 did, had a much better foil to the protagonist than 4. And it managed to do all of this without having to sacrifice gameplay like P2. So no, it's not just the gameplay, or the stylized menus.

>>382293601
P4's OST was mostly crap, only Heaven and the two daytime themes were any good, plus a couple of the endgame boss songs.

>>382293473
Oh ok you're right

>>382293529
>In P4 basically every link is Shinya or Mishima level bad.
Mishima's a creep and a weirdo but I thought Shinya's was pretty decent.

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>>382288336
literally use pic related and taunt and it's impossible to die
this made akechi's fight extremely easy as well as he loves to attack joker

>>382293529
Persona 5's confidants are below average, this is mostly because of Atlus' insistence on tying Mememtos to them

>Hi I'm X
>Spend a couple of ranks getting to know them
>Hey I have this guy who's oppressing me
>Get to know them a little more, the person who's oppressing them shows up periodically
>"Oh, if only the Phantom Thieves would help me!"
>"Haha, what is the full name of this person bothering you? I'm totally not a Phantom Thief, by the way!"
>Go to Mementos and fight a demon
>"Wow they changed personality overnight! It's a miracle!"
>"You're a Phantom Thief aren't you".

Then if it's a chick you become their girlfriend at the end of it.

This is why Tora's Confidant was so good, because it didn't have any of that shit. Too bad the rest of them did.

>>382293601
XD oh you so fahny anan

>>382279314
The police were led into the metaverse to arrest Joker. This is clearly stated.

Why would they be surprised by metaverse shit when Akechi specifically brought them into the metaverse?

>>382293601
>Literally the only memorable track
>Worst song in the game
Ok, Mr. Contrarian

>>382285641
you can't sell them.

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>>382293670
The character names all correlate to actual people, some on more levels than others. Like Yusuke, whose namesake's art style was what Goemon was designed to emulate.

Akechi Goro = Akechi Kogoro, a fictional character. A fake detective. The only fake in a sea of real people. People that try to pretend that they threw him together as an afterthought make me laugh.

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>>382293529
Mishima's a creep and a weirdo but I don't see why that means he has a bad Confidant.

>>382293740
>had a much better foil to the protagonist
>Actually trying to say Akechi is good

Hoooly shit.

If Morgana can enter the metaverse without the app, why do the phantom thieves need to waste so much time guessing at people's keywords? Couldn't Morgana just go in and look?

>>382293802
It's a little silly that you chose to present it that way since the actual "here's an adult oppressing me" up to "wow they changed overnight!" is usually no more than 3 of the 10 links. You make it seem like it's the majority of every social link but that's not even close to true.

>>382286160
also if reaper doesn't have flu you can run away and he respawns immediately.

>>382292252
Arsene, Carmen, Zorro, and Milady are fictional characters. Plus Necronomicon.

God the first level Personas were so cool. The Ultimates are all garbage concepts other than Haru's.

>>382293927
I mean, at least it's actually focused on him instead of some of the other p5 confidants but I didn't really like it. It's almost entirely about his delusions and then the last few are "hey maybe stop being a psycho".
I think one of the best is Takemi's though I may be biased as I decided to date her as soon as I saw her.

>>382293802
It's a bit cheesy but I kind of liked the "what's their name I'll fuck em up" bits.

>>382293951
He's very good, especially in that one particular way. You could read through the thread a bit and see some of the reasons why or you could keep shitposting about it, it's really your choice.

It may help to know that the majority of people that spam pictures of him everywhere aren't concerned with even half of it so if you want ammunition to make fun of them that isn't an issue.

>>382293914
not liking heaven, come on man

>>382293926
Didn't know that, neat.

>>382293890
If someone tells you "hey, there's like another dimension that exists parallel to ours, where people's true selves are shown and crazy monsters exist", you'd think they were fucking crazy. That's some Alex Jones shit. Then, when they prove they're right, you'd be pretty damn shocked.

>>382293740
>P3's character development structure is not somehow objectively better than 4's or 5's. There is literally nothing wrong with the social link style, only with how it's used, and the volume of people trying to stroke P3's limp dick that have to pretend that any development it brings somehow doesn't count speaks to how shallow the development in P3 actually was.

I feel like everyone has to try their very best to forget Junpei exists to say shit like that. Over the course of the game his character is in a different emotional place like every other month. He goes from your friend, to hating you, to hating himself, to falling in love, then getting redeemed. His attitude impacts his interactions with the party and his involvement in the plot during all of that.

The only other Persona characters that shift around that much are from Persona 2.

>>382294331
I agree, and that the policemen didn't care is baffling, but it is clearly stated that Akechi led the police in there.

Every single one of those police officers didn't care about their worldview being entirely upended, apparently.

>>382294051
I posted it that way because it's the basic story structure for like 90% of the games Confidants and all but one of the ones that aren't attached to a party member. They have variances due to the characters being a little different, but nearly all of them follow the same type of story. That's really lazy. I don't really know how people see this games social links and end up saying "Oh, they're so much better than the previous games". Almost all of them are exactly the same, how is that better?

>>382294331
You're obviously not an anime character though. This shit happens like every tuesday

>>382292973
>he isn't a P1 fag
heh

>>382294103
I liked his way more than Tae's though. Mishima's a sad pathetic loser but I liked his arc of improving himself. Tae's Confidant... I can't get over how she just gives you pain killers and performs experiments on you and the game clearly wants you to think she's some misunderstood genius. Wait, so Mishima's an asshole because he has selfish reasons for helping the PTs, but nobody's going to bring up how Tae's moonlighting in experimenting on teenagers while paying them in pain killers? Just so she can save one little girl, the same little girl where she lost her previous super-successful job? I dunno, I walked away from Tae's Confidant thinking maybe she shouldn't be a doctor.

>>382294370
Junpei didn't move that many steps. He was barely a friend before he moved to the jealousy phase and then stayed there up to and during the Chidori section and comes out of it all at the end.

>>382294630
>Just so she can save one little girl, the same little girl where she lost her previous super-successful job?
It's not just saving miwa, it's saving everyone with the disease.

She fucking cures cancer and you think she shouldn't be a doctor.

>>382294534
>You're obviously not an anime character
Just who the hell do you think I am?

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This was also one of the more emotional moments in the slinks, I think.

>>382279040
A better question would be why Joker lived when Akechi killed his cognitive version. Since Akechi AND Okumara establish that death in cognitive world = death in real world.

>>382294721
A disease she admits afflicts very few people and is very rare. The unethical way she goes about treating it leads me to think she shouldn't be a doctor, yes.

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>>382293802

I fully agree with you, Tora confidant was fun for that reason (and the character itself)

Still, in the case of Kawakami it was set up in a way that you will be angry as fuck to the point you want the names just to fix them.

I dont like slinks or confidants in general,
they are not fun or organic to the plot and character development

>>382294869
Rare diseases don't get funding for research. Her method may have been unethical, but it was the only way to get it done.

>>382294832
That was Sae's cognitive Joker, not at all the same thing. They had to kill Sae's cognitive Goro before the operation so there would be no chance of the real one seeing him.

>>382294869
>The unethical way she goes about treating it leads me to think she shouldn't be a doctor, yes.
A lot of the important practices of today were mildly unethical, giving some teenager some non-harmful medicine who keeps begging you for it is far from a dangerous experiment.

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>>382294832
>more and more idiots pop up even when the game beats you over the head with the explanation

>>382294832
Akechi killed Sae's cognitive version of Joker.

You kill Haru's fiance's cognitive self and he's fine.

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>>382289789
>tacoyaki

>>382294984
She wasn't doing it to cure every single person with the disease though, she basically gives up once she thinks the little girl died.
>>382295010
Doctors are held to a strict ethical standard. It's not her call to decide that everything she's doing is on the up-and-up and safe, especially considering it's completely antithetical to the concept of experimentation.

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>>382279890
This, he entered the cognitive world inside the police station, he left it inside the police station.

>>382295141
but both people are wrong in that picture. It wasn't Akechi's cognition of Joker. It was Sae's.

>>382294515
The variances are what actually matter, and they aren't 'a little' different. Maintaining a reductionist view is really what's lazy.

>>382295242
>especially considering it's completely antithetical to the concept of experimentation.
well that's just wrong

>>382295242
The little girl was the patient she could help right now, so of course that's the one she was focusing on. It's not like she was going to cure the girl and then go "well, that was fun, time to throw all this research in the trash!"

>>382295141
It's not even Akechi's cognition of Joker, it's Sae's.

>>382295318
I feel like that's the point of including that reply in the image.

>>382295356
That's basically what she does though, until she learns the girl is still alive.

>>382295443
Because without the girl she couldn't prove her research worked, rendering it meaningless