https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPH ZKq9m-oM It's been

>>382274069
What are the benefits? Why do I want to move away from Diablo 2 to this? Plus Diablo 2's artstyle is very, very hard to top.
That looks like POE's control feel.

>blizz claims it, then ruins it
midas touch, but with poop instead

>>382274282
blizzard are already doing Diablo II HD

>>382274069

Looks neat, i was expecting something for 20th aniversary from Blizzard but then i remember everyone from Blizzard north quit and there is zero people left who worked on the original games.

>>382274594
Yeah I remember after they quit how they all didn't make anything worthwhile ever.


You guys still remember Hell Gate london?


I am so fucking sick of this Blizzard North bullshit.

EVERY FUCKING TIME I HEAR THAT SOME OF EX BLIZZARD NORTH DEVS ARE WORKING ON A GAME ITS USUALLY SHIT

LAST WAS WILDSTAR.

>>382274069 (OP)
>can activate multiple auras at once
>charge now does area of effect
>frost nova freezes now
>blade sentinel with very low NHD
>MULTISHOT IS SHOTGUNNING
>frozen orb is now just lightning, they removed its extremely unique qualities
>the balance is all over the place
>probably going to be broken as all hell
>enemies have incredibly small collission
>only one active skill at a time
>looks ugly

It is going to be shit. Whenever someone tries to mix up Diablo 2, they create an unbalanced piece of garbage. I can already tell from most of the skills that this is going to be horribly unbalanced, especially multishot with no NHD.

>>382275084
Diablo 2 was unbalanced as fuck to begin with.

>>382276071
Of course it was, but why would I bother playing some shitty knockoff that is going to be even more poorly balanced than classic Diablo 2? Not to mention that their mod is clearly less capable than the Diablo 2 engine, considering that they can't even simulate frozen orb's skill functions.

>>382276071
at least having rares have such potential pre LoD made things a lot better than having everything geared more towards sets, uniques and runewords in LoD or sets and legendaries in D3

>>382274069
COME ON PEOPLE, GIVE THE FUCKING MONEY, SUMMER'S ALMOST GONE!

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>>382275084
Watched the video again and noticed the complete lack of interesting AI. They just walk up to you and attack the moment you get within aggression radius, there isn't even a probability of attack, it just 100% all the time. Why the fuck would anyone even want this mod? It is such a cheap knockoff, meeting only the barest minimum of being like Diablo 2 while missing out on all the intricacies.

lol just play median faggot

>>382274069
>>382274281
Diablo 2's art style is something I want to stay as is. An HD remaster of d2 would be enough. A remake is risky and I rather have an HD version of the game without a mod that they consider illegal online rather than changing the game. The game still holds up. If you're gonna remake it, just make a new game. Yes, we want the same classes, working the way we want them to work and then innovate on Poe and d2 and d3's endgame, and give a d2 esque awesome campaign. Build on the loot systems of all of them.

>>382279630
are you willing to pay 30€ for that HD remaster though?
because Blizzard is gonna make it

I can appreciate the effort and work put into this.

Even though Diablo 2 is my favorite game I've got to say that this looks like some slow ass bootleg garbage.
I think that even if you showed this to me 10 years ago I would have said this.

>>382274069
Looks worse than actual D2

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>tfw there have been high res mods for d2 for a long time
>they get you banned from bnet

>>382279734
A lot more than I want to pay a ten hour game sixty

Looks better than d3

>tfw a decade ago I'd have put Blizzard and Bioware as my favorite devs
>now every time I hear about either one of them they've stooped a little lower

i recently reopened d3 and tried the new area
and i was incredibly surprised by how d2/d1 it feels
they even reduced the fov and made it darker in there
too bad it's literally the only area like that in the game

>>382280519
At least blizzard has hope. The Starcraft remaster is cool. Adding a class every year to Diablo is something that can work great for Diablo 4

>>382280678
Personally Grim Dawn feels the most like D2 of any of these games I've tried followed by Path of Exile.

>>382280678
What do you think about necromancer?

I smell a Cease&Desist expansion coming soon

>play Diablo 3
>actually don't mind the art style
>game is decently fun
>wind up being completely turned off by the fuckawful saturday morning cartoon story that's fucking constantly shoved down your throat

Why is it that SC2's custom game scene never got even close to as good as WC3? What went wrong?

>>382280981
Yeah, it's shit. Thankfully I haven't played the campaign in like 4 years thanks to adventure mode and rifts.

>>382281047
the layout was shit and there were way too many rumors about premium paid maps and shit like that

>>382281047
Because after Dota blizzard changed their EULA to "whatever you create, we own it". The incentive died

>>382281070
What's adventure mode?

>>382274069
I think it looks awful.

>>382274069

Looks like shit and nothing like D2.

>>382274886
Wildstar was a flawed product, but not a bad game. It was Korean style grinding MMO but with hard end game content.

>>382280848
I like it honestly. You can have around ~25 summons while in battle, maybe more.
I wish they'd increase the duration of skeleton mages though, because it's annoying as fuck having to resummon them.

>>382281207
free roam of the entire game, "bounties" that are basically random quests without the story that reward loot, gold and xp

>>382274886
D2 fags always forget this. D2 was typically their first video game so they idolized the people who made it without realizing that Blizzard North got lucky with D1 and D2 and were in the right era for it.

At this point, just sage and hide D2 threads. They're always cancer.

>>382280981
Yes this. Remember when people said that it didn't looked grim enough and they said they had all the blood and gore they wanted ingame?

I reached King Leoric's castle and listened and watched the little cinematics and such and how he wanted his wife's head cut off and everything is so fucking cringy and juvenile that it's laughable, but oh boy, does it has that BLOOD AND GORE.

NuBlizzard doesn't understand or has a fucking clue of what made "grim" or what it means when used to describe something. D3 is a 15 year old idea of a rated R mature story. It's like watching that 15 year old use long words to act though and above his age, like, almost 17!

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>>382274886
Because not everyone from Blizzard North was involved in Hellgate London you retard. Besides, even if every last one of them was, everybody's allowed to make a shitty game. What kind of autistic point are you even trying to make? That Diablo 2 was bad? That they were only capable of being good if they had the rest of Blizz fucking them in the ass constantly? Because they pumped out a few fucking god-tier games, so either A) not everyone who made those god-tier games was involved in HGL, or B) you are a fucking retard. I'm going with B.

>>382281381
I don't blizzard understands the meaning of "adventure". They should have called it "pointless grinding mode" instead.

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>>382281384
>D2 was typically their first video game

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>>382281384
>D2 fags always forget this
It's unfortunate that your mother forgot to swallow you.

They were Condor Interactive before even being bought up by Blizzard and made around 5 games, including Diablo 1. Also, the fact you dislike one of the top 5 best games ever made gives me a window into the kind of tremendous faggot you are. Please drink bleach. Thanks.

>>382281469
>Besides, even if every last one of them was, everybody's allowed to make a shitty game.

Except Blizzard of course ;^) Haha, am I right /v/rother???? Diablo ruined 5EVER because of D3!

#boycott


yeah, no, fuck off. Blizzard North were hacks and their track record proves it. It wasn't just one shitty game. Every single game former employees have worked on to capture "that old feeling" have failed miserably.

>>382274069
sc2 has never been a good platform for custom maps.
Server-side delay ruins everything.

>>382281491
isn't that literally the core concept of diablo?

>>382281716
Oh yeah, I forgot about all those classic titles Condor Interactive worked on. The ones that live on in our hearts and minds even today.

>D2 is good

Prove that it is faggot.

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>>382281825
>yeah, no, fuck off. Blizzard North were hacks and their track record proves it. It wasn't just one shitty game. Every single game former employees have worked on to capture "that old feeling" have failed miserably.
So this is the mind of an autist.

Diablo 1 and 2 are widely regarded as two of the best games ever made. Moreover, you are literally too retarded to perform a Google search and realize that only a handful of people from Blizz North even worked together after the split.

>>382281976
>Oh yeah, I forgot about all those classic titles Condor Interactive worked on. The ones that live on in our hearts and minds even today.
Yes, like Diablo 1 and Diablo 2.

>Prove that it is faggot.
Over 5 million people still played Diablo 2 in 2010. 10 fucking years after release. Frankly, I feel bad for you, because if you are actually the kind of queer who can't enjoy a game like Diablo 2, you must have gotten dicked by your dad or something. Absolutely disgusting.

>>382274069
think i prefer the original graphics desu

>>382281891
the core concept of diablo was to kill demons in the thousands while upgrading your character so you finally could kill diablo (all in a dark and spooky environment)

after diablo 2 it became about clicking and loot because people are retarded

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>>382281976
>Prove that it is faggot.
Dear Jesus, thank you for not making me as gay as anon. Amen.

>>382282223
I'm not reading your post beyond the first few lines. But you would agree that every single COD game has been among the best games ever, would you not? After all millions of gamers and gaming journalists can't be wrong.

>>382282472
you can't prove that a game is good, literally any form of fact or feature about it will just get shot down as a measure of quality because everyone has already decided if they like the game or not

but if you don't like diablo 2 you're a major fag

>>382281349
What about the attacks you can use?

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>>382282472
>I'm not reading your post beyond the first few lines.
>references the last two lines of the post.
Holy shit I didn't realize the kind of turbo-autist I was dealing with.

I'm also baffled at how you are actually stupid enough to equate sales numbers with prolonged attachment rate. Diablo 3 sold 30 million copies and now all of 4 people play. Diablo 2 still had 5 million people playing 10 years after it was released. You can argue that this doesn't speak for the quality of the game, and I will argue that you are retarded. If you don't like the game, that's fine, you're probably a faggot that doesn't like ice cream. Unfortunately, your homosexual taste buds don't speak for the rest of the world. Shuffle along now troglodyte.

>>382282794
>Diablo 2 still had 5 million people playing 10 years after it was released.

>D2 fags really believe millions of people still play D2

Honestly it's just sad at this point. What went so wrong that you have to try this hard into deluding yourself that you had fun with a skinnerbox?

>>382283423
>D2 fags really believe millions of people still play D2
>implying that "10 years after release" is 2017
Yep, you are actually this stupid.

>>382282778
What do you mean by that?
I think corpse explosion feels fucking amazingly satisfying

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>>382283423
This makes twice that you have directly contradicted yourself in your own post. You're fucking embarrassing yourself kiddo.

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if you don't think that diablo 4 should be a third person open world action RPG you don't know shit about anything, prove me wrong

>>382284104
Third person is garbage, and open world even more so.

>>382284104
now there's something that'd make me instantly drop it!

>>382284104
If by "third person" you mean "over the shoulder" ala Gears of War, your fetus of an opinion has now been aborted.

>>382284163
Third person with aiming and actual melee combat systems is superior to clicking on everything. Open world has basically no disadvantages the current diablo model of running through what's basically a randomly generated wide linear path. You have failed to prove me wrong.

>>382284483
>Third person with aiming and actual melee combat systems is superior to clicking on everything
No actually it isn't. Good luck targeting an enemy behind another enemy in third person you fucking retard.

>>382284483
The whole point of Diablo is steady progress, where a level 1 character and a level 99 character aren't even comparable whatsoever. How in the fuck are you going to do an open world Diablo RPG unless you are going to rely on level scaling, which is shit? And third person doesn't even make sense for the genre; how are you going to be able to see enough from that perspective without being so zoomed out that it might as well be isometric?

>>382284483
>Open world has basically no disadvantages the current diablo model of running through what's basically a randomly generated wide linear path.
are you literally retarded?
one very obvious problem is leveling and levelled enemies, and the progression between areas.

>>382274069

Nah, you're gonna have to do something new design-wise. Just remaking the game with graphics straight outta 2008 isn't going to do it.

its only d2 is an extremely superficial way
he only has 1 attack slot is a big red flag to me but then things like the game being originally tile based
Its certainly neat but I highly doubt he can recreate the intricacies of d2

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post necros?

>>382285493
>those wings
>those graphics

That looks very silly. Are you running on low settings or does Diablo 3 look that horrible?

>>382285625
it's all on high with exception of AA
diablo looks like shit.

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>>382285919
>Waheed

Absolutely disgusting. Pratham or get the fuck out.

>>382286034
I prefer durga and haseen or jamali
but waheed stuck it out with me with his might aura

>>382284705
>if I can't do x action it's an inferior system
If you want to target a far away enemy, you should get the others out of the way.
>>382284904
The open world doesn't have to have a flat level distribution, the further away you go in the world the more dangerous the monsters are, as well as making the monster types scale with your progression (to a limit, you don't want to visit the starting area and have balrogs pouring out from behind every tree). Level scaling is bad because random bandits suddenly being 300 times stronger is stupid and pointless rubberbanding, if instead slow zombies got replaced with aggressive ghouls and came in greater number when you got halfway into the early zones, that's rubberbanding, but in a sensible way where numbers don't just awkwardly increase to match your increased numbers (which by the way is what diablo 3 does, and to a degree also diablo 2 with blood moor fallen in hell being stronger than diablo in normal). It can easily be portrayed in a sensible way, the world going to shit as time passes and more demons and undead arising. I also don't understand why you'd need zooming, your vision is an infinite cone.

>>382284104
iirc all the leaks and rumors are saying D4 will be a PoE open-world ARPG or even Blizzard's next MMO since WoW is rumored now to maybe not have any more expansions.

Some people are saying, "How will they get rid of artifact weapons?" and one answer is, "They won't. We're done leveling up. We'll see 7.3, 7.4, 7.5, etc and 8.0 will never come. Sargeras and the Void Lords will die before then.

Right now Blizz has a lot of job postings on their site, most of them demanding Diablo 1/2 experience and skill in developing online games with multiple users sharing the same game space.

>>382286465
When you say PoE, do you mean path of exile or the other game? Because path of exile isn't open world.

>>382286465
>>382286727
also diablo would be shit as an mmo, the world crawling with heroes goes completely contrary to the grimdark setting and atmosphere

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>>382279630
HD remaster is probably going to ruin everything, including the interface.

>>382285919
what mods on diablo 2?

>>382285919
>paragon level 847
holy shit
what's your main class?

>WoW is rumored now to maybe not have any more expansions.
but the next expansion is already confirmed

>>382287109
oops, second part meant for >>382286465

>>382286984
Blizzard has the source code, they can do a proper 1080p interface that doesn't require squinting your eyes.

>>382286727
PoE in the way that other players might be visible in town doing their own thing. Or maybe even out in the game world if you enable the option.

>>382286901
Is it? Given that now the Prime Evils are gone and the High Heavens are in need of a smackdown and Malthael is fucked, some have interpretted the lore as "Well now all the humans have the power of the Nephalem because everything that was holding them back is gone."

You could very well, post D3, have safer countrysides outside of the major population centers, quickly becoming Duskwood-esque horrorscapes with Khazra ambushes and demons and undead.

I think I'd like to see a Diablo MMO more focused on hoards of enemies and battlefield control than WoW was focused on single combat.

Just like how in D1/2/3 you fought 8 enemies at a time, you wouldn't run up to one zombie and whack it to death like in WoW. Instead you'd run into packs of them and have to blow them all up.

>>382287109
>but the next expansion is already confirmed
I haven't heard solid confirmation. Just rumors of Azshara and Nzoth, which may not be a new expansion so much as 7.5, 7.6, etc.

>>382287441
>Is it? Given that now the Prime Evils are gone and the High Heavens are in need of a smackdown and Malthael is fucked, some have interpretted the lore as "Well now all the humans have the power of the Nephalem because everything that was holding them back is gone."
the nephalem shit was retarded though, d3's lore is an abomination and I barely consider it canon

>>382287441
>I haven't heard solid confirmation
Ian Hazzikostas has said multiple times that the next expansion has been undergoing work for some time. At BlizzCon he also said that "legendary items becoming outdated is something that's innevitable Legion ends - we'll find a way to make sure what comes next doesn't feel worse" when some fan asked about it in the QA panel.

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>>382287216
It's totally within their capability but is it within their design scope? Can't trust Blizzard with much these days.
Nowadays though you just play upscaled to see.

>>382286997
no mod thats my main skelly
>>382287109
barb/dh
I only solo play/play with irl friends who suck and cant get past gr40

>>382287698
I guess we'll have to wait to see how the Starcraft remastered HUD turns out.

>>382286441
Monster scaling is not befitting Diablo, or at least not in the way it would turn out. The point is that you are progressing, and as you get stronger you can delve further into the game or go to easy areas and farm effortlessly. Your idea of having it to a limit could work, but I doubt any developer would be capable of fine tuning it to such an extent that it doesn't become overbearing, especially not Blizzard. Just to drive this point home, consider that Blizzard still has a ton of bugs in Diablo 2 that have been around since the game was released. I could go and fix some of these bugs effortlessly by going into patch_d2.mpq and editing single columns via excel.

Third person just doesn't make sense for the genre. You have a (roughly) evenly distributed overhead view because you need to see in all directions. Without it, it becomes more difficult to evaluate monster packs, harder to see enemies coming in from behind and projectiles would be harder to avoid. Third person would just make the game more awkward to play, unless it isn't going to be anything like Diablo, in which case; why even bother?

>>382287441
they opened up the chance for diablo to return with the end of RoS

>>382287638
the sin war trilogy books started and ended 11/10 years ago that started the nephalem stuff
they are my dirty secret

>>382287971
I'm not sure that monster scaling would be that hard, especially because I want an open world more because it would look cool and it would be enjoyable to roam large areas, much larger than they are in diablo 2 or 3, than because I want the player to be able to go to the far side of the map at level 1. You just give each zone a level range, and then make a few sets of monsters (or a sliding scale or whatever) for that zone, so if the first zone is level 1-10, when you get to level 4 new and stronger enemies start to pop up there, then again with level 7, but when you get to level 10 you should be ready to move on instead, then the same thing is true for the new zone. Might be a little harder than doing the linear way and then rubberbanding via xp numbers, but I don't think it would be impossible at all.

>Third person just doesn't make sense for the genre. You have a (roughly) evenly distributed overhead view because you need to see in all directions. Without it, it becomes more difficult to evaluate monster packs, harder to see enemies coming in from behind and projectiles would be harder to avoid. Third person would just make the game more awkward to play, unless it isn't going to be anything like Diablo, in which case; why even bother?
Ever played serious sam? That game is even more of a monster blender than diablo, and all those things work fine, gaining an awareness of your environment becomes more of a skill than before, but it's not tedious at all. And I know it would be very different from diablo, but that's the point. Diablo has a frankly outdated combat system that mostly relies on the sheer visceral joy of murdering demons by the dozens, it should be replaced with something that has more solid fundamentals. Might not be diablo to you, but diablo for me is about killing shitloads of demons in spooky environments while leveling up and wading through loot, not clicking.

>there exists an alternate universe where diablo 3 wasn't shit
>you don't live in it

>>382288448
aren't all the diablo books trash written by hacks

>>382274329
[citation needed]

>>382291278
they're remastering old games
hiring people with experience with diablo 1 + 2
when asked about diablo 2 the remaster guy said "hehe maybe, we'll see ;) ;);)"

>>382291373
shame the online will be ruined by the same dupers