I'm about an hour in and it's kinda boring me.

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Yes.

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Maybe.

>>382104252
I almost put it down, too. They let you spend too much time without a new movement ability. Once you get the next power up the game speeds up and gets more interesting fast.

>>382104252
Absolutely, the beginning is by far the most bland part.

>>382104252
I'm in the same boat OP. Only put in 30min but feel rather underwhelmed

>>382104252
Yes
First few hours suck

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White palace

I'd drop it if you don't like it after the second boss

>>382104495
I was surprised how late into the game they were letting you upgrade your mobility. The quick dash badge never came off once I got it

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>buy hollow knight by /v/'s rec
>can't beat first miniboss because the game controls like shit
last time i'm falling for one of /v/ memes

>>382104668
I never found use for the down-dash so I usually didn't have room for it. I heard it makes the damaging dash badge stronger, though.

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>>382104673
Here is your problem.

>>382104673
The first boss just teaches you how to hold the jump button and attack. You couldn't even have gotten there without knowing this. Are you retarded?

Personally I'm bored of indie platforms, it's their go to genre and its getting tiring.

>>382104825
>the jump button
you can't jump when that faggot slams his body up and down every three seconds

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I got to the opening screen on dragons dogma and I am just not feelin' it. Does it get better /v/?

>>382104252
No.

The only thing that gets better is enemy variety, but the combat itself is just jumping and hitting with a sword the whole game. There are some acessories that actually make the combat different, but you will only find them if you explore the world and they are extremely limited to use.

Once you get the dash it gets a lot more fun

>>382104252
Id give it more time then just an hour lmao

>>382105051
so what

I don't know /v/ I am just not feeling it. Should I give it a try.

>>382105315
You are feeling it now. Give it a try.

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I played this for 15 min. I don't know /v/ should I give it a try?

>playing this shitty Demons Sperm ripoff instead of the original

bunch of plebs

>>382105452
do yourself a favor and refund that trash. only retards can stay entertained by such repetitive garbage.

>>382105471
Damon souls is shit. Dark souls is what you properly meant,

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>>382105527
>repetitive
Games are "repetitive" by nature.

>>382104252
Refund before is too late, is very boring, not challenging and is a walking simulator more than a metroidvania.

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>>382105653
I disagree.

>>382105646
no shit sherlock. i was speaking relatively.

>>382105583
demons sperm is a solid metroidvania game that heavily rips off the souls games

its also hentai

When do you get a better weapon? I feel like the first weapon is complete shit, and that the boss battles are taking too long.

I'm just attacking and jumping. Am I doing something wrong?

>>382104673
What the fuck? My main problem with the game is that the controls are so simple that I've been able to get the first three bosses on my first try while only getting hit like once a piece. It's way too easy and boring.

>>382106016
bad response

>>382106368
even worse response

>>382106302
You'll get to upgrade your damage once you make it to the City of Tears and across the map you'll find three NPCs that will teach you new moves but I never used them that much. You can find badges that will increase your range, damage, etc. Overall the combat is relatively simple so I can see some people getting tired of it but it never bothered me.

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>>382105653
>and is a walking simulator
You're trying way too hard to fit in.

I was actually thinking about buying it but i pirated it first to try it out, and boy and i glad i didn't waste anything. dropped, uninstalled, removed from wishlist.

>>382108223
Wish they made more dream bosses, they were the only ones along with radiance that felt challenging.

>>382108412
Yeah, Soul Tyrant and Trial of Fools were the most difficult parts of the game by far. Even Radiance wasn't that difficult, it just hits like a truck.

>>382108412
It was nice of them you give you infinite tries on the hardest bosses.

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>>382105452

You aren't alone. I tried hard, HARD to like it and just found it extremely boring. Maybe the next one will be different.

>>382108223
I can point 2 or 3 bosses who requires a bit of a skill.
Common monsters are basically statues waited to be killed, platforming is lower than average is litterally impossibile to die for a missed jump or for some enviromental hazard.
Beetle transport is useless, you have still to walk a lot without shortcuts (which are usually omnipresent in metroidvanias except this).
Sorry but is this your first game of this kind? If yes please start paying something better and you will know how much this title is flawed and boring.

>>382104252
the first parts of metroidvanias are kind of boring and tedious due to not having all the movement options that make the later playtime so fun. It's sort of antiquated at this point but if you chug through the beginning you can get some of the more fun stuff eventually. At least a cool area is pretty early on in the game that green place. I also recommend playing with headphones since the audio is supposed to be great but I rarely notice it even with headphones on. I was itching for a metroidvania as justification to buy it when it went on sale but I doubt I will play it more than once really unless something later on makes it so much better that everyone is shilling it over.

TL;DR it's like a cutesouls platformer but the movement and first few hours feel like a slog especially if you're bad.

I have like 3 hours and got to the jellyfish area waiting for some more movement options. I plan on putting more time in over the weekend and seeing what's up.

>>382106302
There is none. That's it.

>>382106302
You'll use the same sword for the whole game. It's simple, but I think the game pushes it to its limits

>>382109325
>especially if you're bad.
I would say it's the opposite. I've not even been in danger so far and have downed two bosses and think I've explored every area I could before challenging them without even dying once. If I was bad this might have been more fun because there'd be some kind of challenge, but as it stands the only reason to ever get hit is if a message from a steam friend requires responding to.

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>>382104995

>>382109187
>Beetle transport is useless
So you didn't actually play the game?
>you have still to walk a lot without shortcuts (which are usually omnipresent in metroidvanias except this)
There's plenty of those as well, some accessible earlier if you just happen to find them (f.ex. the broken wall on the lowest, half submerged stagway station leading from City of Tears to Kingdom's Edge) while others may require you to unlock the improved movement options: dash, double jump, wall climb, and the charged dash first. In addition many areas go round and have openable gates or breakable walls at the end of them. You got those, Beetle transport and the tram for certain handful of areas and you're still complaining about "lack of shortcuts"? In addition the free content pack is supposedly adding yet another shortcut tool, likely teleportation.

Or are you complaining you just didn't find any of them?

>>382104252
No. It's mediocre at best. The level design is also generic and bloated.

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>>382110226

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>>382104252
I was hooked from the start, but if you've been to more than three areas gotten some upgrades and still not enjoying it then it probably isn't for you.

>>382104673
>game controls like shit
Holy shit this. That little faggot will take three steps for every single movement, it's impossible to fucking platform

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>tfw couldn't finish my low % true ending run
dream bosses are too hard for me

>>382104252
Well if movement is the issue, it get's better after you find the mantis claw that allows wall jumping, and dash master for faster dashing.

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Bottom of the barrel trash tbqhwy onii-senpai

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>>382104765
I fucking love the damaging dash. Nothing more satisfying than dashing through an enemy that's dashing at you. bonus points if the dash kills it .

>>382110902
I could never get into bunny must die, and valdis story wasn't THAT good

>>382110902
>Marrow
>Clunky piece of shit
>Elder God tier
Ok, anon

>>382110902
>Terraria
>Metroidvania

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>>382110902

wrong list

>>382110902
>Odallus
>Cave story
Anon I...

>>382110902
Oh look, it's this faggot again.

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>yfw delicate flower quest

>>382110902

>terraria
bitch , pls

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>>382104252
>falling for /v/ meme games

Sumer is truly upon us if you are falling for this

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hourly hollow shill

>>382104668
It's actually not that great
>doesn't let you do a second air dash
>ground dashing is fast enough by default to not feel terribly sluggish
>crystal heart

>>382113797
>>382113724
Do you retards actually think anyone uses the catalog?

The reason there are so many threads is that it's on sale.

>>382112056
Where is salt and sanctuary

>>382113202
clear the path beforehand. It'll stay clear until you rest on a bench. You can manage to kill that shit before resting, right anon?

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>>382113916
I wish I was as naive as you

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>>382104673
you can fight me instead bae

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Starts to get less fun when you realize how badly placed the stag stations are

>>382113916
>no one uses the catalog
what the fuck did he mean by this?

>>382108731
Soul tyrant was the easiest for me, he was the only one that felt reliable to dodge most attacks (at least in phase 1)
Failed vessel became a dps race with is fucking spammy unavoidable attacks
Maggot 2.0 I had to grind out all the damage and health upgrades, then became a damage race again because of literally 0 reaction time to most of his attacks

>>382105471
>anything with a dark tone must be a souls ripoff

>>382113724
>popular relatively new game on sales gets a lot of threads.
Yep.

>>382114367
who is maggot 2.0?

(i thought fallen knight was the hardest fight in the game)

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>>382114416
I wish I was as naive as you, most of the openings read like todd posting, even the old ones

>>382104252
After wall jump it opens up a bit more

But if you're already bored, I'd probably refund now

I was expecting a lot more from the white palace, considering how hyped up it was and how hard the dream bosses were, then I only died once throughout

>>382110673
You absolutely need damage upgrades for 2 of the dream bosses. Their damage is too fast and nearly unavoidable

Thankfully, in order to get the 1800 essence, you only need to beat 2 soul bosses, 6 of the seven warrior dreams, and like all but 2 trees

>>382104252
It's not fun because it's a metroidvania and those games are never fun because you have to do so much pointless backtracking.

>>382113724
>all in the catalog together at the same time

That just shows it's not a shill.

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>>382114608
okay

>>382114456
I was referring to fallen knight, couldn't remember the name

>>382110902
>terraria
>metroidvania

what the fuck

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>>382104252
It gets considerably better, though the start is a pretty good indication of what the game is.

>>382110902
nobody cares about your shitty game, go away

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>Have a friend hype this game up for me to hell and back
>Decide to get it because of the summer sale, want to see what the fuss is about
>Put 6 hours into it, just feel like I'm missing something because it's just a competent metroidvania, nothing more
>Everybody says it gets better but I can't bring myself to continue because I feel burned after those hours I put in

Is this what it's like to be an outlier

>>382115009
If you need to play a game for more than two hours before it gets good it's probably bullshit.

>>382114367
>having this much trouble to learn simple, repetitive patterns and only counter-attack
anon you suck at fighting games, right?

>>382114640
You're so fucking autistic saving all these pictures and posting here as if that shows anything. That inspired me to make a Hollow Knight thread later, thanks.

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>>382115127
Someone specifically asked me to go to the archive and look up these kinds of images.

>>382115113
It's okay when the game has a 20 hour campaign and more than 35 hours worth of content.

>>382114367
>Maggot 2.0 I had to grind out all the damage and health upgrades, then became a damage race again because of literally 0 reaction time to most of his attacks
I found out that you could bait him into performing a certain type of jumping attack if you ran to either edge of the arena, then using a charged attack and running to the other corner, repeating until victory. But yeah, trying to face him head on was pure suicide since his basic mace attack is so god damn fast and takes two health in one hit. No time to heal either, even with upgraded healing speed and the charm that protects you during healing.

>>382114640
>game that already had 92% overall positive score receives its lowest price sale on both GoG and Steam
>"REEEEEEE VIRAALLLL MARKETING"
I bet you think the bi-daily spoiler game name here meme threads are also viral marketing.

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>>382115113

Everybody (including my friends who've played it) say it gets so much better after Soul Sanctum and the game really starts to open up but as much as I hate to admit I struggle with wanting to continue after those 6 hours - I know some people actually got hooked up during the first part of the game but I guess I'm just not one of them

False flagger-kun is THIS desperate.

>>382115359
I think you mean hourly threads.

There's now one of these:
>>>/vg/181029860
>>>/vg/181029860
>>>/vg/181029860
>>>/vg/181029860

>>382115120
No because fighting games actually give you a reliable defensive option other than "just always move out of range and never get a chance to attack". Void dash is nice but on too long a timer for those fights and your projectile consumes too much soul (and has too much endlag) to reliably last for those fights

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>>382104252
Saw this thread, downloaded the game, played it for like half an hour. I can say the same. It's a chore to play.

PC game with horrific console interface and controls. Absolutely no story. Pretentious quotes all over the place, generic empty caves and Victorian England depressive aesthetics with respawning enemies. Zero directions and lack of skills to get to certain locations which imply backtracking all over the place.

The game gives me no motivation to play it. Everything except for art style is either mediocre or outright terrible.

>>382116194
nuh uh dude you gotta play it at least 10 hours to get it man

>>382104252
Dropped it after 10 hours. It's a chore. I would recommend it only to metroidvania lovers. Definately doesn't deserve all the praise it gets

>>382116413
Should've played 20 hours, that's when it gets good.

>>382116194
>PC game with horrific console interface and controls

The interface is pretty good to me and the controls are the standard platforming controls.

>generic empty caves

Lmao, the game has a shitton of different enemies.

>Zero directions and lack of skills to get to certain locations which imply backtracking all over the place

So, it's a metroidvania? Cool.

>>382115009
I feel the same, I don't hate it but it's just ever so slightly dull and a bit too easy.

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>>382116318
> played it for hundred hours
> den wy did u ploy it fur dat lung if ya din lyke it sa mooch?

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>>382116194
Pretty much the same here

I pirated it a while back, played through a little chunk of it, beat the first boss, and it just seems very disappointingly bland

Maybe I haven't gone far enough into it, but for fuck's sake, how far are you supposed to trek through a boring game until it turns over to being fun?

>>382116563
>I claim the opposite of what you claim the post
Pointless back and forth.

>>382116673
You have to enjoy the experience itself. You just don't get it man..

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>>382116563
> is pretty good to me

>>382116563
>Lmao, the game has a shitton of different enemies.
That all have like one unique move and just do it over and over again. You don't even have to pay attention to them, you can just do the same thing every time you find the same enemy.

I remember similar platformersuffering in Lisa. Backtracking and shit but it wasn't this boring honestly, only frutstrating at times.

>>382116194
>PC game with horrific console interface and controls
Do you also complain when Devil May Cry, Dark Souls, pretty much every single Metroidvania or other games made to be played on controller recommend you to play with a fucking controller as well?

>Absolutely no story.
This is simply untrue. The game just doesn't flood you with exposition and cutscenes. The story itself is structured so you find out who you're playing as and what his purpose in the game world is. Did you literally just open the game once, saw that there was no opening cutscene explaining everything to you on a silver platter and came to that conclusion?

>Zero directions and lack of skills to get to certain locations which imply backtracking all over the place.
You could just cut to the chase and say that you don't like Metroidvanias at all.

>>382116194
I fully agree.

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>>382116802
Not to mention that killing them is useless. Money are collected from everything, and you lose all of them on death. Souls are needed to regenerate, but if you avoid everyone you won't have to regen, so why bother fighting at all? And considering that enemies respawn the moment you leave the screen, you can't even clear the zone.

Basically it means that collecting stuff is useless and boring. Fighting stuff is useless and boring. Exploring stuff is useless and boring. And there is no plot to keep you engaged.

Hollow Knight is as hollow as it's name. It's autism incarnation.

>>382116745
Apparently not
It's just not fun to play though. I'm a stickler for movement. in a metroidvania game where you're running around a LOT, I'd imagine fast, pleasing movement is pretty vital to the experience, and as I recall Hollow Knight just felt.. loose?

Maybe I'll give it another try, but it didn't leave a good first impression

>>382116194
>Zero directions and lack of skills to get to certain locations which imply backtracking all over the place
>don't like backtracking or zero directions
>likes Morrowind

>>382117046
I mean I agree with you man. The dark aesthetics don't help either.

>>382116878
>The story itself is structured so you find out who you're playing as and what his purpose in the game world is

Not telling you basic plot information until you're about halfway through the game isn't good design, anon

>>382117120
Well muh lore isn't the biggest aspect about this game.

>>382117041
>and you lose all of them on death

Hahaha. How fucking stupid you are.

>>382117120
>Not telling you basic plot information until you're about halfway through the game isn't good design

And why not? If that is true, plot twists are also bad design.

>>382117525
Now you're grasping straws.

>>382105646
>10 years of handdrawn animation

>>382104927
>Doesn't just get stuck at the first boss
>Gets stuck at the first miniboss

>>382117525

There's a difference between subverting established information and just not giving the information in the first place anon

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>>382116878
> Devil May Cry, Dark Souls, pretty much every single Metroidvania

Those are console games. This one is PC, that's the difference. I have a controller, but it's extremely unsatisfying to use in this game.

And story doesn't revolve around explosions and a distinct goal. But it should at least give any kind of information so that the player won't ask what the hell is he doing with his life playing this garbage. I don't care if it's a purgatory of some sort, a land which was corrupted by Chris Metzen, a dark and edgy Dork Souls wannabe parody or just an emo phase of the artist who made the graphics. All i need is a motivation to play, yet there is none. I got a blast playing Ori and the Blind Forest, despite it being full of pretentious hipster dickwaving as well. Hollow Knight bored me to tears right in the menu, before i even started the game. And it sure as hell doesn't get any better.

>>382117041
>Basically it means that collecting stuff is useless
Except for the fact you get bestiary unlockables (since you complained about lack of "muh story") and money to buy new gear?
>Money are collected from everything, and you lose all of them on death
You leave a shade where you died that you can easily kill to recover all your dosh, lad. The game isn't that horribly difficulty apart from few exceptions, and in fact the lack of difficulty is valid complaint, and even if you die it's very easy to recover all your money. The hardest parts (especially optional dream bosses) in the game don't even "kill" your character but just throw you out of the dream, meaning no money lost or charms broken, whereas the regular difficult parts like the arena or final boss fight have a checkpoint just before the encounter and your shade spawns just next to you for convenience.

"Git gud" isn't usually a proper comeback, but in this case one has to wonder how fucking horribly bad you have to be at video games to lose your money in Hollow Knight, on constant basis to complain about it.

>that enemies respawn the moment you leave the screen, you can't even clear the zone.
Just say that you hate the entire genre then?

>>382117881
> grind repetitive respawning enemies to collect stuff to grind even more repetitive respawning enemies with no goals or challenge whatsoever

The biggest challenge this game has to offer is to not kill yourself when navigating through that messy level design.

>>382118094
>grind
Lad, do you have actual brain damage? Do you also say that every single game that has a currency system forces you to "grind"? If you get the Geo collection charm that is available relatively early on and especially the increased Geo drops charm you will be never strapped for money. Just by playing the game normally and killing enemies only when they pose a threat to you (i.e. they're in your way and it's faster to kill rather than circle around them) you'll easily get all the money you need and more. Only your OCD is forcing you to kill every single enemy on the screen and collect every bit of Geo.

>when navigating through that messy level design
Again, why not just say you hate Metroidvanias in general and haven't touched anything else in the genre either?

You're trying so hard to fit into "le indie platformers are pretentious crap /v/ hates everything" meme it hurts.

>>382118686

>You're trying so hard to fit into "le indie platformers are pretentious crap /v/ hates everything" meme it hurts.

Have you considered some people just don't have the same opinions as you?

>>382117120
I disagree, when handled right it can add to the mystery and ambiance. A lot of horror games for example do this. I'll take little information/environmental storytelling over long cutscenes any day.

Plus it suggests reasons why you are a silent protagonist and that's a big plus for me

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>nonstop complaints about multiple shill threads whenever HK thread is made
>check catalog to see if there's another thread that has people actually enjoying the game
>this is the only one

>people only now getting into HK because of a $5 discount
>can't appreciate it worth a fuck because they're all fags
No shockers there. I mean if you're that fucking cheap you could've pirated it ages ago.

>>382118915

I'm a sucker for environmental storytelling, but what I played of the game did nothing like it - it gave me some odd environments that looked interesting but was never elaborated upon, however I'll concede that was just not a design choice they were going for

I honestly don't mind vague storytelling but spending several hours knowing absolutely fuck-all about why I'm doing anything and what's going on just gets to me and quick

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>>382119051

>>382118829
>admits to arbitrarily grinding enemies for money and then complains that game is repetitive and boring
>gets told it's their fault they aren't having fun
>"why can't you handle my opinion"

>>382116194
Couldn't have said it better myself. We need more people like you who tell it like it is and less shills fellating the game when it doesn't do a single original thing, and all of the things it does copy from other games are implemented in objectively worse ways.

>>382104252
What fucking cock decided to plonk Radiance AFTER the Hollow Knight?

It's just a button mash fest which leaves my thumbs tired.

>>382119968

I'm not that anon, anon

>>382120012
That doesn't actually change anything important.

>>382117525
>plot twists are also bad design
...Usually, yeah.

>>382115009
It's a very competent metroidvania. That's exactly why people are praising it. The competition's shit like Rabi-Ribi and Axiom Verge, so.

>>382120134

But the problem with that is that it wasn't what it was hyped up as - I was told it had this amazing story and that it was GOTY 2017 but nothing about the gameplay

I mean it's good gameplay, but I can't say it's so amazing all the praise it gets feels justified - it's just a competent metroidvania, that's it

>>382113724
Those were made to make fun of the shilling, which was itself made only to bait the people getting annoyed at actual people legitimately enjoying the game, because we can't let people have fun on /v/.

>/v/ is actually getting redpilled that hollow knight is shit
Woah color me surprised. Did all of the redditors leave over the past week?

Just reached city of tears, still have no idea where to go

is this the Anor Londo of the game

>>382117781
You're a bug in a kingdom of bugs that fell for some reason, and there's some sort of an infection going around (the orange goo). Regardless of this there's treasure seekers, scholars and other collectors risking their lives hunting for artifacts of this fallen kingdom. There's NPCs, few readable short tablets and the bestiary journal you get from a local hunter telling you these tidbids. There's your premise and the goal of unraveling the mystery of why the kingdom fell, what the infection is about and this is all in the very first bits of the game.

The reason why it doesn't hand you more than that at the beginning even the protagonist's past or "motivations" is because telling you everything from the get go would just ruin later endgame plot twists.

>I got a blast playing Ori and the Blind Forest, despite it being full of pretentious hipster dickwaving as well
Now you're just pulling my leg. Ori is anything but pretentious, it's basically your good old Disney movie plot.

>>382120303
>I was told it had this amazing story and that it was GOTY 2017 but nothing about the gameplay
No, that's pretty much what it's been hyped as. The people calling it GOTY -- like me -- were just people who really really like metroidvanias and weren't getting any good ones. This was before the big floating 4.

>>382120408
Sort of.
>>382120390
Fuck off, shill.

>>382119972
>>382120408
>agreeing with yourself

>>382116194
I wonder if anyone legitimately thinks this.

>>382120441

I should've added that the person who hyped the story up was a friend of mine, not /v/ - I was largely adverse to the /v/ threads since I hadn't played the game yet so that's why I missed out on the competent metroidvania praise - some part of me gets the feeling the people I've talked to seem to think it's so much more than that still

>>382104252
Fucking this. Got it cuz v shills. Its way too slow to start

>>382120630
Well, how much do you like metroidvanias? To someone like me it IS much more, because "a competent metroidvania" means a hell of a lot to me.

>>382104252
No. I thought it was great from the start. If you don't like it from the beginning, you never will.

it's comfy

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>>382120701

I'll admit I'm lukewarm with metroidvanias, and I went into the game completely blind aside from my friend talking about how good the story is have ended up coloring my perception of it

Really the biggest problem I have with the game is its storytelling, there's just nothing wrong with its gameplay

It isn't for me, but it still irks me that I bought into the hype and just ended up feeling left out anyway

>>382120963
The story's okay. Maybe it just really clicked with him? I mean it is pretty cool, it's just ham-fisted. I guess for a metroidvania it's good, given most metroidvanias are pretty light on that.

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Holy shit top kek, I come back to the thread expecting a circlejerk but lo and behold these hollow cucks are getting crucified by people other than me.

>>382120701
Fuck off you filthy casual cunt.
I've played more metroidvania's than you. I'm also far better at them than you too. Hollow Knight is straight up garbage. There's been plenty of metroidvania's these past years that absolutely shit on it, it's bottom of the barrel dog shit.

Marrow is leagues ahead of HK. If only you had the skill required to play it you would be able to enjoy it too, but you're a casual shitter that needs handholding games like hollow cuck to enjoy yourself.
How does it feel to have the vidya palette of a child?

I don't know what people were expecting, it's nothing groundbreaking but it's a decent metroidvania.

>>382121239
I'm wondering whether you're trying to tank La-Mulana's reputation or something.

>>382121349
That's probably it desu. We've seen it before with Hollow Knight.

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>>382121239

>>382121239
lol no. Hollow Knight is just better. It's better drawn, better written, has better level design, better bosses...I mean, really only Metroid can compete.

>>382121349
I think he's being genuine, I can't imagine someone being autistic enough to falseflag at all hours like that. Legitimately thinking he's right about it is already pretty bad.

>>382121239
Their fanbase has already been outted as a joke. Flooding the catalog with their shill threads was a desperate move that didn't pay off.

>>382121605
>he fell for the shilling meme
Psssh....naive....

>>382121605
he's the one that shilled it for fuck sake, he's falseflagging why can't you see it?

I think it alright

>>382121605
It's strange how the number of shill threads only increased as people complained...hmmmm....

>>382121239
>I'm an expert on this subject
>Hollow Knight is garbage because *I* say it's garbage
>I'm not going to explain anything lol
Also, you do notice that all the anti-Hollow Knight fags ITT have been nothing but constantly been BTFOd in virtually every single argument in the thread and they're only circle jerking about themselves being right without actually bothering to refute anything?

See >>382121462 and >>382121605 for example. Underage people desperate for acceptance wanting to be "in" the "/v/ hates everything indie that is relatively new and has platforming" mentality.

>>382121239
Real talk, how much do you like Hollow Knight? I know you don't hate it. When are you going to drop the charade?

>>382121863
>I'm not going to explain anything lol
It gets you extra butthurt without him having to do any work.
>>382121980
I'd guess he legit doesn't like it and gets really salty when loads of other people do. That's 100% me projecting how I feel when that happens, but it seems like everybody does it.

>>382121239
Truly Pottery, is that you?

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Oh what's that? You ordered some spicy as fuck copypasta? Here then, eat up my asshurt friend.

>Non existent difficulty
>Piss poor OST composed by some literal who that clearly can't make good sounding audio for shit.
>Flash based artstyle akin to binding of isaac (large outlines, 0 detail, 0 shading, just simplistic looking shit that your average deviant art novice could shit out)
>Comic relief enemies and bosses that cater towards the braindead Undertale crowd, rather than being intimidating
>Shit rewards for exploring
Woah...I got shit fillter-tier crest I'll never ever use....simply epic...
>Juvenile lore made so that retards can develop their own head canon because the devs have so little faith they can make some actual worthwhile lore
>No optional hard as fuck area at the end of the game so that elite players like myself can actually extract some fun out of this dull mess of a game
Not everybody likes playing baby mode easy shit.

>>382122236
The one and only.

>>382121239
Lmao why is she holding a glowing tire iron

>>382122285
WELL AND TRULY POTTERY

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La-Mulana's player character is a big flaw in the game. He's just so jarring. Everywhere around him the world is detailed, cool, badass...and he looks like a gingerbread man made out of mashed potato.

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>>382122402
She's going to use it to cave your face in, naturally.

>Reach Soul Sanctum
>Game keeps crashing now
I am fucking livid.

>>382122402
it is a broken rave stick

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>>382122686
That was a big sticking point for me when I looked it up

The environments looked fucking rad

Then he looks like that FF6 remake

>>382122236
>>382122531
>shills ahoy

>>382122901
WELL AND TRULY POTTERY

>>382122854
DEEPEST
>>382122881
Aw shit I saw that "remake"

Has there ever been a good remake?

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>Step on this specific spot and use a specific magic attack to unlock an upgraded version
>No hints at what to do. Naturally assume you just need to come back here later for something

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>>382122953
>Has there ever been a good remake?
Yes. Resident Evil REmake. Aka the greatest remake of all time.
Or if we're sticking to the metroidvania genre, then the La-Mulana most people know of is literally a remake too, and it's pure kino as well.

>>382123210
>the La-Mulana most people know of is literally a remake too
I've heard the original was superior.

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>>382122953
This is a remake, and one of the greatest games ever created. Definitely the best 2D action game there is.
It completely invalidates the original.

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>>382122285
>Comic relief enemies and bosses that cater towards the braindead Undertale crowd, rather than being intimidating
Even knowing this is pasta, for those wondering there's both comic relief and "serious" enemies and bosses. You can also read the minds of NPCs and enemies with Dream Nail attack and uncover more fucked up shit if it's "dark and serious" stuff you're after. I mean the non-true final boss repeatedly fucking stabs himself to end his pain in his later phases.

Also if you want to talk about the boss you posted in particular: when you later return his friends are holding a funeral for him, and you kill them as well. You can also get an optional boss encounter with said boss in its dream and you'll reveal that he wasn't crazy or anything, he just stole the armor so he could have the power to protect others (his species is the weakest in Hallownest). So much for being comic relief.

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>>382123461
how do you go from this

>>382124000
yes?

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>>382123794
Nothing you said was anything that I didn't already know, and no that doesn't change the fact that they're pure comic relief trash.
The vast majority of bosses jump around making brain dead sound effects, like the collector, the dung beetle, the soul tyrant and the crystal guardian. You'd have to be a child to find that type of shit acceptable.

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>>382124024
to her and all her people being fucking dead

>>382112056
Blasphemous needs to be on there

>>382123171
Thats why its a great game anon. Half the reason you are making a shitty post, is that you are leaving out so much information.
I.E Thats its not a spesific spot, its a entire room filled with doodads to hint what you are suppose to do.

>>382124241
So your main argument is that because you don't like their sound effects they're all childish and stupid "comic relief trash"?

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>>382124413
There's quite literally no denying that these bosses are comic relief trash. This is the epitome of undertale dog shit. I'm not going to sit there and clap like an autistic underage faggot like you when a beetle is acting like some luchador faggot that can't stop making cringe worthy, juvenile as fuck sounds.

When you grow up, you'll feel the same way, son.

I expect intimidating bosses that provide a solid challenge. Not brain dead bosses that have pitifully easy attack patterns that bounce around making childish sounds.

>>382124714
what would you classify as a well designed boss then MaZe?

>>382123461
It's great, but the repetition almost kills the game.

>>382124317
I want to lick those legs.

>>382123171
Hold on what's this?
>>382124714
>these bosses are comic relief
Some are.
>Trash
None are.

>>382104252
I'm playing Ori these days. It's good but the controls are a bit floaty for me.
I have Hollow Knight too. Is it better?

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>>382124883
>what would you classify as a well designed boss then MaZe?
Galbalan.

>>382125014
There isn't a single good boss in HK. Imagine being so shit at video games that those pitiful as fuck bosses could stimulate you L M A O.
I couldn't imagine being that dog shit at games tbqhwy.
The Ys series could teach those hacks at team cherry a thing or two about quality boss design.

>>382124714
Like I said, there's both comic relief and serious bosses, with Dung Defender being the one leaning most on the former. You made a blanket statement about all bosses in the game being "comic relief trash" (even stuff like Soul Tyrant who isn't even used in any joking way) and I proved your own example about False Knight entirely wrong, and you backpedalled and deflected with shit about "no it's actually the sound effects and jumping!!1!" like the little child you are.

Now you understand why no one likes talking to you in real life either. Because you're contrarian faggot who can neither hold your ground or back his own claims.

>>382125130
Yes, Ori is trash.
>>382125403
Why can't you just have accept my superior taste.

>>382125471
I wouldn't call it trash ever. It is very good but a bit punishing with no reason.

I hope HK is good.

>>382125803
>I like chewing on cardboard boxes
Literally, LITERALLY you right now.

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>>382125449
>(even stuff like Soul Tyrant who isn't even used in any joking way)
lmao not only does Soul Tyrant look like a joke, he fucking deflates when you cave his face in and starts flying around the screen like a popped balloon, complete with the juvenile as fuck deflating noise.
Real serious boss right there, woah.

>and you backpedalled and deflected with shit about "no it's actually the sound effects and jumping!!1!"
Translation - You got blown the fuck out and are in full damage control mode trying to save face after making a fool out of yourself after thinking I had never played the game.

>Because you're contrarian faggot who can neither hold your ground or back his own claims.
Pure comedy kino, I'm always the last man standing in these threads. You little hollow shitters are constantly getting crucified by the facts I lay out. Why you even let your own threads die as soon as I enter them lmao, imagine being that much of a cuck holy shit kekkarino

This game is garbage.

>>382126072
ty for the input

>>382125845
You are a bit extreme friend.

>>382126132
Fuck you.

>>382125403
>picking an overly hard boss to prove your point
yes yes you're so great is that what you wanted to hear?

>>>/vg/181029860
>>>/vg/181029860

>>382104252
Not really.

>>382126175
Galbalan is an excellent boss. What are you even implying?
Not even him by the way in case it wasn't obvious.

Nope, you should have bought Dead Cells instead.

>>382126173
Nah fuck you leatherman

>>382104673
If there is one flaw that this game doesn't have it's the controls. Get a better controller or something, but the movement, jumps, hotboxes and reactivity of everything is just plain perfect.

Still waiting for one (1) person to cite one (1) actual flaw of this game instead of "this game is garbage" and "shill".

>>382104619

is amazing

>>382126435
I would but I dislike roguelikes.

>>382125885
>lmao not only does Soul Tyrant look like a joke
How exactly? He looks like a joke because you said so? I can give you the deflation, but its only one animation out of his entire moveset and then again you still haven't proven how "every single boss is comic relief", even the False Knight with its backstory. Please stop deflecting.

>trying to save face after making a fool out of yourself after thinking I had never played the game.
>after thinking I had never played the game
Nice strawman there, lad. Do we have to go through every single argumentative fallacy until you stop your crying?

>Pure comedy kino, I'm always the last man standing in these threads. You little hollow shitters are constantly getting crucified by the facts I lay out. Why you even let your own threads die as soon as I enter them lmao, imagine being that much of a cuck holy shit kekkarino
What a truly badass boast. You do notice you're doing nothing but making a fool out of yourself, flinging only unbacked arguments of "it's shit because I say so and I'm an expert because I said so". Right now you're again only agreeing with yourself without adding anything worthwhile to the discussion. Imagine a kid so lonely and need of acceptance of /v/ he comes to every thread of a certain game he dislikes to shitpost his asinine unbacked pasta over and over again thinking he's some sort of an internet celebrity and genius of argumentation. And then when people finally get tired of arguing with the autistic little kid since he wants to get in the last word every single time he thinks to himself he has somehow won. It's kind of cute, really.

>>382126587
Backtracking can be really monotonous at times, that's really it.

>>382112056
>no shantae and the pirate's curse

>>382112056
fuck Jotun was bad

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>>382104252
So I'm playing this, and is there like a recommended setup for the dream-version bosses because those guys fucking thrash me.

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>>382126175
>yes yes you're so great is that what you wanted to hear?
Not really, I'm already well aware than I'm great.
Also kek Galbalan isn't overly hard at all.

>>382126587
>Still waiting for one (1) person to cite one (1) actual flaw of this game instead of "this game is garbage" and "shill".
Thread is full of them. Not my fault your kind is too pathetic to try to refute them.
You know what you guys are. You're the type of people that walk around outside with your head down. You faggots are ~LITERALLY~ the exact sort of people I bullied back in school lmao, I wish I was kidding too.

Refute me, faggot. Here, I'll point you to one of my posts >>382122285
Waiting warmly for your weak as fuck attempt at countering these.

>>382126849
>Please stop deflecting
>"but its only one animation"
Imagine being so brain dead that you do the very thing you accuse the other guy of doing. Do you even know what deflection means you pitiful cunt?
Nothing you've said or ever will say can invalidate the bosses jumping around in autistic as fuck ways,making juvenile sounds.
The backstories are cringe worthy fluff and if anything make the bosses even more juvenile.
>Little bitch ass maggots bawwing their eyes out too
How kiddy is this shit? You have the mindset of a 9 year old. My 12 year old cousins are more mentally mature than you lmao.

>Do we have to go through every single argumentative fallacy
The only fallacies here are what you've said. Considering you've not been able to refute a single one of my points, all you've done since is spout reddit-tier buzzwords while hoping I'll leave you alone.
I ain't going anywhere though, this is my thread now, I'll stay here until it 404's.

>Following paragraph is just filled with seething mad tears
lmao SAD!

>>382127456
These worked for me.

Soul Tyrant - Quick heal and possibly heal shield charms. Stay in the right corner only. In the second phase there's no time to heal so just focus on dodging and attack.
Fallen Champion - The charm that removes healing but gives higher max HP. Run from corner to corner and attack with charged attacks after he has jumped.
Lost Kin - The charm that removes healing but gives higher max HP and longer invincibility. Dodging and DPS race.

I think losing to dream versions doesn't count as a proper death either, so you can freely use those "breaks on death" charms.

I have beaten Persona 5 and BotW.

Hollow Knight is my goty so far. I expected a half decent Metroidvania, but it is one of the best.

>>382127859
Ah, cheers.

Still, what a weird difficulty spike. Should be fun to finally win.

>>382127795
Keep doing gods work.

>>382127795
>Nothing you've said or ever will say can invalidate the bosses jumping around in autistic as fuck ways,making juvenile sounds.
The fact that Soul Tyrant doesn't "jump around in autistic and fuck ways" and doesn't "make pitiful sounds"? In fact he has a rather booming voice befitting of a grand mage he is. Again, you're falling back to "it's bad because I said so".
>The backstories are cringe worthy fluff and if anything make the bosses even more juvenile.
>How kiddy is this shit? You have the mindset of a 9 year old. My 12 year old cousins are more mentally mature than you lmao.
"it's bad because I said so"
>I ain't going anywhere though, this is my thread now, I'll stay here until it 404's.
"woah, I'm such a baddass argumentative genius"

Just refer to my earlier post. You haven't made a single objective statement as of yet. You can't truly expect anyone to take you even remotely seriously. Talking with you only manages to evoke only tiresome drain, the same way an autistic kid screeching incomprehensibly does.

>>382114035
>only have 2 examples
well that's just sad
create a few threads of your own so you have a better example.

>>382104252
The shortcuts in this game are fucking garbage.

>city of tears
>on the Soul Master fight
>have to tread back for like 3 minutes from the nearest bench
>game has a few micro shortcuts along the way which save about 2 seconds each
>no big one that just lets you quickly get to the fucking boss

What's the fucking point of such awful shortcuts?

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Hollow Knight has it's flaws, but it's easily one of if not the best game of 2017 so far

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>>382125885
>the person who typed this post is complaining about something being juvenile
ungh......my almonds.....they're being.....activated....

>>382128497
It hails back to that oldschool Classicvania design where the rush to the boss was part of the challenge. The whole area is as much one big Castlevania reference as much as Fog Cavern is a Metroid reference.

I say hails because it just touches on it, really.

>>382128791
There's a good reason why that game design fell out of favor: it sucked. It wasn't very fun; it was just tedious.

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>>382128339
>The fact that Soul Tyrant doesn't "jump around in autistic and fuck ways" and doesn't "make pitiful sounds"?
>You will never be blown the fuck out so hard by the superior poster that you immediately backpeddle right after your previous post.

The deflation combined with the juvenile as fuck deflation sound is quite literally the pitiful things Soul Tyrant does.
Cry more bitch nigga.

>"it's bad because I said so"
Not an argument.

>"woah, I'm such a baddass argumentative genius"
Not an argument.

>Just refer to my earlier post.
Aka
>"I've l-l-lost, I can't actually r-refute anything you said! J-j-just look at my other p-post leave me alone!"
Literally vases made out of clay.

Look at how fast you've ran out of steam. Your posts have already diminished in size, you aren't even addressing anything, you're just typing words.
Fuck outta my sight you worm.

>>382128631
>Ass destroyed anon chimes in because his meme game is a joke
Love it to be honest, feel free to take our friends place here, he's getting tired.

>>382124914
You need to learn to make the most out of what you have

Are you aware you can map any move in the game to directions?
So there's X, quarter circle forward/backward X, Half circle X, Zigzag X, Left right left X, Right left right X etc etc

Once you take advantage of this feature, it is the most robust and replayable 2D action game there is. I have never experienced so much freedom
The only limit is how well you can execute the inputs you program in.

>>382128926
Yeah.

I mean I don't really disagree, it's an odd one-off area overall.

>>382129031
>The deflation combined with the juvenile as fuck deflation sound is quite literally the pitiful things Soul Tyrant does.
Backpedalling again I see. I thought we already went through the fact that it's only one animation, not his entire moveset. Also to grind more salt into your wounds what about Hollow Knight and Radiance? I would love to see your mental gymnastics about how those two were comic relief as well, since supposedly the bosses in the games are "comic relief aimed at Undertale audience".

>Not an argument.
Not an argument. As I said, you're only repeating "it's bad because I said so". It isn't an argument, only your subjective unbacked opinion. Like a kid in a playground crying NO harder and harder until the adults tire of his shit and he finally gets what he wants.

Most kids learn the theory of mind at a very young age, but sadly this isn't the case for autists like you. Simply repeating your subjective opinion like a broken record and throwing ad hominems along the way isn't going to get through to anyone, you just make yourself look very silly. In general your constant focus on perceived juvenility of the game speaks more than enough about wanting to just fit in with the "game hating hardcore adults".

>>382128631
Remember to eat your homemade coconut, anon

Those emu meatballs don't make themselves you know

Fuck you Ari! I'm not shilling for one more minute until my pay check passes!!

Bought on sale, next thing I know I've sunk several hours in but I'm still not sure if I'm actually enjoying it. I've already got my money's worth so I'm not complaining but it feels like I'm playing it for the sake of playing it at times. Even with the dash and claw it's still tedious to get around and it's made worse by the poorly placed/underutilized shortcuts and fast travel points. The world just doesn't seem to 'flow' as the best Metroidvania's do. On top of that upgrades and power ups are incredibly underwhelming so there's no excitement in exploring. I was hyped when I got my third piece for soul power, thinking I could now be more liberal with spells, only to realise it does pretty much fuck all.

It's not a bad game but I think it's overrated thanks to the lack of competition.

Where the fuck do you go in the beginning? I bought a map, I found some beetle I assumed to be fast travel, I'm rescuing some worms or something, and found a hot spring. Just point me in a direction ffs, I'm enjoying it so far but I'm so fucking lost.

>>382121239
You are literally the most autistic person I've seen on /v/ and that's saying something.

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>I thought we already went through the fact that it's only one animation, not his entire moveset.
Who said anything about their entire moveset? Quote where I said that.
For a boss to be considered juvenile, they don't need their full move set to be comic relief. The fact that Soul Tyrant deflates and makes a childish deflation sound while he's flying across the screen like a balloon removes all semblance of seriousness that boss had. He is a joke.

>Also to grind more salt into your wounds
lmao I purposefully come to these threads to watch you faggots squirm. The only salty people is you hollow cucks who get triggered as fuck when I point out the plethora of flaws your shit game has.

>what about Hollow Knight and Radiance?
What about them?
Shall we discuss how they're the most lack luster final bosses ever created?
The Hollow Knight didn't even manage to hit me once when I first came across him, and then imagine my surprise when I was told "N-n-o wait, there's a-another boss that's much harder!" only to find out that he was also a joke too. What actually happens in the radiant fight that is at all threatening? Some spears move in your direction at the slowest speed ever. You literally have a whole 3-5 seconds to react to them, jumping through the enormous gaps they leave. Then Radiance just copy pastes the homing attack from those soul mages. It's not even any harder than their version, in fact it might even move slower.

Compare those final bosses to fucking Garland & Galbalan. They're pitiful.

>As I said, you're only repeating "it's bad because I said so".
You've sat there repeating what I've said post after post because you're consistently getting blown the fuck out though lmao.
Holding your hands over your ears and screeching la-la-la is not my problem. I've laid out the answers, you don't try to refute them because you quite simply cannot.

Your game is casual garbage. How does that make you feel, princess?

>>382104252
The first hours are the most magical ones.
If you are not interested in it, then you are too pleb and should refund.

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>>382131459
All for you >>382130058 baby gurl.

>>382125403
Look at that fucking mess of a design
Truly stupid looking stumpy arms and tiny legs, and so edgy lava environment

Surely it's comic relief :^)

>>382127795
>You know what you guys are. You're the type of people that walk around outside with your head down. You faggots are ~LITERALLY~ the exact sort of people I bullied back in school lmao, I wish I was kidding too.

Jesus christ, have you literally looked at what you posted?

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>>382105452
>>382109054
https://youtu.be/6AV9W2ZdmjU

>>382128376
I have a folder full of these,, as you've seen I posted a few

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>>382131665
Get the fuck out of here smogey :^)

>>382131912
Find a flaw in what I said, you crying victim.

>>382128095
>>382128524
are these falseflag posts too?

>>382105452
I'm in the same boat as you. I like the Orc nemesis mechanic thing but the combat is utter trash and killing a fairly big crowd of mobs is so fucking monotonous I end up just running awayand not giving a fuck. I don't know how or why the fuck someone recommended this to me.

>>382127795
Holy fuck you are a faggot, I guarantee you're the autist behind 90% of the threads

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>>382132221
nah Im just a slut for metroidvanias, and HK is bretty good

>>382104673
Jesus Christ your fucking bad. I havent played a platformer since New Super Mario Bros on the DS and even I didn't get stuck at a fucking mini boss. And it only took me like 6 tries to beat the first actual boss.

>>382132428
I can't even tell what's falseflagging when it comes to this game, because all the falsflagging seems to just be ironical posting about how this is the greatest game ever

>>382132129
>smogey
I don't know who your buttbudy is you cuck

>>382132517
it's you're, not your

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>>382132383
>It's an "undertale cuck shits the bed because he can't handle criticism of his laughably bad meme game"
S E E T H I N G

>>382132646
What a shame.

>>382131459
>The fact that Soul Tyrant deflates and makes a childish deflation sound while he's flying across the screen like a balloon removes all semblance of seriousness that boss had. He is a joke.
Again that's your personal opinion. While he does have one (1) jokey moment, he and many other bosses also have their backstories that hold them up as real characters other than just complete comic relief you argue them to be. This is also reflected in Soul Tyrant's booming voice and moveset as well, and even in his dream version where you talk to him where he is deflated you'll hear his side of the story. You argue that one silly moment destroys the whole character, I'm arguing that it doesn't. Even the False Knight you initially posted with its harmless look has a rather dark turn at the end since you beat his (and later his friends' face in) rather than some silly sparing followed by friendship. For a full comic relief character where that happens a good example would be Zote's arena encounter

And what about all the Metroidvanias that you do like? Are you arguing they have no silly out of place moments, and that one silly moment in them ruins the entire character, enemy etc. ? La Mulana's jokey superpowered grandpa or the swimsuit unlockable for example? Because if so, surely you dislike them as well for the same reasons if have any shred of consistency instead of just shitting on new and popular

>Shall we discuss how they're the most lack luster final bosses
I was going to discuss about their supposed comic relief status, but since you deflected the argument yet again I guess we can forget about that. I can completely agree with you that the game could really use added difficulty

I mean, you already admitted to religiously shitposting Hollow Knight threads and you like to think yourself a badass who makes people "squirm", but we both know about your autistic tendencies that you admitted to having and that you're actually seething livid right now.

>>382132637
Legit posting will be stuff like "I like this game a lot", ff will be stuff like "OMG guys. GOTY. Just...GOTY."

>>382132767
>S E E T H I N G
Why though

They're only disagreeing with you.

>>382132767
FUCK YOU

this IS THE best game of this year AND THE BEST FUCKKING METORIDVANIA YOU FUCKING FUCK

YFW WHEN THIS WINS GOTY I BET YOU*lL CRY LIL BITCH

>>382108223
I know most people had trouble with his first phase but I did it serial times without taking a single hit. Only to die on his second phase over and over. Took me hours to beat him.

>>>/vg/181029860

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>>382132129
>Find a flaw in what I said,
The only flaw here is your own existence

Also I don't bother refuting arguments that consist of "It's shit because it's shit!" sorry bub

Although I have to admit, it takes a special sort of autism to shitpost and flaseflag as hard as you do, I'm impressed.

>>382133084
I'm the opposite, the first phase fucked me up (I think mostly it was his attack when he goes from one side of the screen to the other and you have to dodge the fireballs), but once I reached his second phase it only took me a couple more tries.

>>382104252
yeah, I was pretty uninterested during the beginning too, but things pick up and you start having a lot of fun eventually.

>>382133165
>implying anyone actually wants to talk about the game
Lmao fuck off.

>>382133003
See this is a false-flagger false-flagging as a false-flagger false-flagging as a shill. Possibly one more layer deep.

>>382133784
what I am serious, sorry for using capslock I guess...

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>>382132786
>While he does have one (1) jokey moment, he and many other bosses also have their backstories that hold them up as real characters other than just complete comic relief you argue them to be.
Their back stories are irrelevant. If they act like jokes in a fight then nothing that gets said about them is going to redeem them. They are absolutely pathetic. None of the games I hold in high regard need to save face for their bosses acting like retards in their battle.

>And what about all the Metroidvanias that you do like? Are you arguing they have no silly out of place moments
None of my top tier metroidvania's have any silly bosses.
Marrow is filled with nothing but cosmic horrors, La-Mulana bosses are all serious. Even fucking Terraria bosses are all serious. The only thing that's not serious is your undertail-tier hollow shite bosses.
>La Mulana's jokey superpowered grandpa
Not a boss, or an enemy.

>I can completely agree with you that the game could really use added difficulty
But of course.

>but we both know about your autistic tendencies that you admitted to having and that you're actually seething livid right now.
>Literally just repeating words I've said yet again.
Are you my cheerleader or something?

>>382133003
Pure cringe. BoTW has GoTY on complete lockdown you crying autist.

>>382133195
>Abloobloo bloo the post
You can't refute anything I said because you lack the intellectual capacity to debate me, just like the rest of your hollow cuck ilk.

How does it feel to get manhandled on an anonymous imageboard because you can't defend a shit game no matter how hard you try?

>>382134021
>You can't refute anything I said because you lack the intellectual capacity to debate me
kek, keep it coming.
The more you post the more sad it gets.

>>382104252

The start is made to be bland and lifeless, the second you get your first ability and go on to the next zone is the second life springs up for you.

After that, you'll be begging for more and more with each abilities you get.

>>382134021
>Pure cringe.
FUCK YOU MALUNA FAG FALSEFLAG BICH

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>>382134237
>"k-k-keep it c-c-c-c-c-c-c-coming h-hahahelp"
Dry your eyes, princess. It's just a game lmao

>>382134498
This is your textbook hollow cuck. Take a good look, this is your mindset you underage fuccbois.

Waiting warmly for somebody to challenge me in some spicy debate, the only thing I've had so far is hollow cucks emptying their tears at me like they're isaac kek

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>>382134021
>Their back stories are irrelevant. If they act like jokes in a fight then nothing that gets said about them is going to redeem them. They are absolutely pathetic. None of the games I hold in high regard need to save face for their bosses acting like retards in their battle.
Okay. I'm sure you're well aware you're again posting your personal opinion on the matter. Seriously I haven't got a clue about why you're so deemed to establish Hollow Knight's supposed "juvenility" other than pic related. The bosses have both silly and serious parts, and it's just your personal shit taste that makes you unable to overlook the former, even if the silly parts are in the minority compared to serious parts, in case of Fallen Knight and Soul Tyrant at least (like we established there's a whole range of bosses some of which are less or more silly).

>Even fucking Terraria bosses are all serious.
I'm 100% sure now you're pulling my leg. Thanks for the time waster anon.

July's coming boys.

Are you ready to fight Dream Zote the Mighty ? You might wanna do a Steel Soul run to practice a bit.

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>>382134830
Forgot pic

>>382134661
FUCK YOU you are the cuck you bitch Hollow Knight is the GOTY whether you like it or not cry some more little shit bitch

>>382134919
>Dream Zote the Mighty
Is this actually confirmed somewhere? It'd make sense his dream version of himself was a mighty warrior considering his usual demeanor.

Please stop replying to the weeaboo

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>>382134707
>Okay. I'm sure you're well aware you're again posting your personal opinion on the matter.
Nope, I post nothing but the rawest facts.
If a boss acts like a pleb during their fight, you don't just get to say "b-but the lore said he's badass!". That's not how it works, sweetie.
That just shows that the devs have no idea how to create solid and coherent characters.
Take this shit for example :-
>>382134830
>>382134919
The new 'hard' (kek probably gonna be piss easy yet again) boss is fucking zote. Zote is a joke character. He is comic relief, you even admitted this shit before as well.
How are you going to backpeddle your way out of this one?

We could have got some intimidating super boss but nah, gotta appeal to the undertale crowd some more who wants more of the wacky zote xDDDD

>>382135056
Be sure to set the stream up showing you offing yourself when BoTW crucifies every other game and takes goty easily.

>>382135087
>Is this actually confirmed somewhere?
Nah not at all, he's just in the cover and as you say, it'd make sense that he dreams himself a very strong warrior.

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What's the point of forcing the player to spend 2-3+ mins walking around before trying again versus a boss, in a game where you have infinite healing?

Hollow Knight is a snorefest, it doesn't help the soundtrack is also boring.

>>382126882
yeah i can see that if your "unlucky" with the ways you choose to go.
if you choose the wrong way you really waste a lot of time, exiting the game sets you back to your last bell, that can save you a lot of time/backtracking if you know where to go... but that's not helpful for your first playthrough

Just bought the game a few days ago and I'm having fun playing it. The game definitely picks up once you unlock more movement abilities, it reminds me of fighting bosses in Mega Man with all the jumps and dashes.

I already destroyed the 3 masks, am I close to finishing the game?

>>382104673
I barely played the game and I can tell that you are a tool. Not even because of git gud. But because this didn't even happen and you are just shitposting.

>>382135293
FUCK YOU I*LL STREAM HOLLOW KNIGHT SPEEDRUN YOU FUCK, after it wins goty that is and I will have you react and cry

>>382104252
DON'T YOU DARE SAY THAT ABOUT /V/'S FAVORITE INDIE SOULS LITE METROIDVANIA

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>>382135293
>If a boss acts like a pleb during their fight, you don't just get to say "b-but the lore said he's badass!". That's not how it works, sweetie.
He does act as a badass in his fight. You can deflect all you like about his actual in-game difficulty, but I'd prefer we skipped that shit this time. Like I said: grand mage with a booming voice and a variety of spells to keep you on your toes. It's only at the end of his fight when he deflates as a broken man and you get to hear his side of the story. It's completely in character, despite his losing animation being a bit more silly. Same with False Knight. He is actually a weak blob of fat character from the start who donned the armor *precisely* because he wanted to become strong to protect the weak. Again, completely in character.

You're posting smug anime reaction images to hide your rage and pose yourself as the mature gamer who only likes games with badass characters that are established as badasses 100% of the time. I assume you're unable to enjoy games like Devil May Cry series or God Hand as well because they're too "juvenile and silly" at many points? Can you not see the slightest bit of irony in your own behavior?

>>382114259
Holy shit, that's me. I still stand firmly in my opinion of GOTY.

>>382135557
I can think of some. I'm going to take the example of Soul Tyrant because it came up before:

>You can use the way to the boss to teach the player the moves necessary to defeat it
For example, to reach Soul Tyrant, you gotta pass others sorcerers bugs I forgot the name of, which let you learn how to dodge fireballs and when to expect the boss to teleport above you

>It lets the player explore a part of a level he otherwise would never have passed through again
Typically, bosses are at the end of a level and the road you take to go fight them does not connect two areasFor example, the point of the tower where Soul Tyrant is is to fight him and get the rewards, once it's done you won't pass through again (except for the drem fight). yet there's secrets hidden inside the tower that you are more likely to miss if the bench was right next to ST's door

>The road is part of the boss's challenge
Due to how HK's system works, your attacks and healing power come from the same source. So you'd have to progress fast enough to the boss to not lose your mojo, but still fight enough enemies or dodge skillfully enough) if you wish to start the fight with a bit of soul power stored

>It allows the player to ponder on his previous mistakes
Sure, this is something the player could do on his own before going into the fight again, but this is rarely the case. And you're obviously trying a bit harder because you know you gotta walk up again if you fail.

I'm not a fan to long roads leading to boss (I'm still triggered by Sir Alonne or whatever was the name of that faggy DS2 samurai), and I tend to prefer when the respawn point is next to the boss but I can understand the reasoning.

>>382131378
bumpan

>>382135904
>I already destroyed the 3 masks, am I close to finishing the game?
Very. However depending on whether you found and cleared several optional areas required for the true final boss and ending there may actually be quite plenty of content left.

>>382135904
It's complicated. Yes, but actually no. You could finish soon but you will likely miss a lot of content if you still have unexplored areas.

Just look at the map and go wherever you haven't gone before.

>>382104252
why the fuck are people so ADHD, just take in the aesthetic and progress at a good pace, get comfortable with the controls because you will need to be gud at dodging and hitting if you are to beat the later bosses

>>382131378
Just open your map and see which areas you haven't explored yet, buy the charm that marks your character on the map so you don't get lost.

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>>382136013
Uh huh. Aren't you just precious.

>>382136080
>He does act as a badass in his fight.
He doesn't. He just float from left to right with the occasional ground pound every now then. In what universe would you classify that as badass?

>Like I said: grand mage with a booming voice and a variety of spells to keep you on your toes.
You've been saying he has a booming voice for a while now. Where is this booming voice? He mumbles and makes a high pitched wail when he deflates throughout the fight.
Also what are these variety of spells? He has like 3 patterns and a ground slam lmao, non of which required me to 'keep on my toes'. I disposed of him and then his dream form one after each other specifically because he was such a joke. I couldn't even tell the difference between the two fights. He has more health in his dream form, that's all it seemed like.

>He is actually a weak blob of fat character from the start who donned the armor *precisely* because he wanted to become strong to protect the weak.
Cliche. Shamelessly ripped straight from undertale and it still doesn't excuse how comic relief the boss is.

>You're posting smug anime reaction images to hide your rage and pose yourself as the mature gamer who only likes games with badass characters that are established as badasses 100% of the time.
How to tell somebody is triggered by anime images 101.
Do my smug lolis really cause you so much ass anguish lmao?

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>>382137236
fuck you dude, I was supposed to buy this as a safe bet and now I have doubts, what should I buy instead faggot?
I've played though all Ys games

>>382137236
>He doesn't. He just float from left to right with the occasional ground pound every now then. In what universe would you classify that as badass?
Again with the nice hot opinions. He floats, his Tyrant form teleports a shitton to dodge your attacks meaning you can't really hit him unless he's performing an attack himself. His ground pound is also grand and even better in Tyrant form where he cancels into another teleport and pounds again. When you break the floor and fight his final phase he starts throwing fireballs at a very fast pace, or teleport ground slam spams so much you have no choice but to dodge every single one of them without time to heal.

>Also what are these variety of spells? He has like 3 patterns and a ground slam lmao, non of which required me to 'keep on my toes'. I disposed of him and then his dream form one after each other specifically because he was such a joke. I couldn't even tell the difference between the two fights. He has more health in his dream form, that's all it seemed like.
I precisely said I would've liked to skip the difficulty deflection since we both already agreed the game could be more difficult, but you did it anyway you silly illiterate child. The discussion, as far as I remember was whether the bosses were trying "comic reliefs appealing to Undertale audience".

>Cliche. Shamelessly ripped straight from undertale
How exactly? What part did Hollow Knight steal that is so shamelessly ripped from Undertale that is so original game?

>Do my smug lolis really cause you so much ass anguish lmao?
I'm just making a point that you watch anime that you probably think is mature and free of "juvenility" you hate so much, you even posted Dangan Ronpa that is also both extremely silly and at times dead serious. Since you love anime I assume you've played and enjoyed it as well. Like I said, can you not taste the sweet irony? I'm not attacking you liking anime, I'm attacking your incoherent retardation.

>>382137798
It's one retard. Scroll up, he himself admitted to religiously shitposting every single Hollow Knight thread like an autist.

>>382138267
damage control, after all that anime poster is not me

>>382137798
Don't listen to that fag it's a decent game

>>382136774
>Learn the moves
The sorcerers fight in very enclosed spaces, while the soul tyrant allows you to move in a large area. The moveset is also different, you're not learning how to deal with the second phase at all.

>Explore and discover secrets
You're not exploring while backtracking, expecially since the drop your money system pushes you to go back to the same area you died to, without risking it. If anything, you try to explore an area fully before facing the boss, to find something, a weapon upgrade, a seal, to make the boss easier.

>Part of the boss challenge
They could have done the same with an unskippable cutscene, to make you lose muscle memory ('mojo'). Taking the Soul tyrant as example, you get trash mobs and free healing right before it.

>it allows the player to ponder on his previous mistakes
It's a 2d metroidvania with little to no depth in fights, your mistake is not dodging shit, not some misscalculations in a convoluted plan.

>>382138949
>The sorcerers fight in very enclosed spaces
"no"

>>382138706
don't listen to these shills

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>>382137798
I'm going to go ahead and assume you've played La-Mulana, if not then you need to stop fucking about and get on that right fucking now.

Salt & Sanctuary / Valdis Story are also solid picks that you can't go wrong with.

Alternatively, if you're actually legitimately good at games, then try Marrow. It's really good but exceptionally difficult.

>>382138176
>meaning you can't really hit him unless he's performing an attack himself.
lol no? He sits around after teleporting waiting for you to hit him half of the time.
>His ground pound is also grand and even better in Tyrant form where he cancels into another teleport and pounds again.
Makes an easy attack even easier. I find it pure comedy gold that you would list this as a positive.
>his final phase he starts throwing fireballs at a very fast pace
Which are all piss easy to dodge and leaves him wide open.
>or teleport ground slam spams so much you have no choice but to dodge every single one of them without time to heal.
If by dodge you mean walk from left to right since he aims directly at you then yes. I wouldn't call walking from one side of the screen to the other dodging.
>but you did it anyway you silly illiterate child.
Calm down baby, have a piece of cheese.
I did it because difficulty discussion is sheer bliss since I know you're all shitters that cannot comprehend the beauty of being challenged by an actual well designed boss that is threatening.
>The discussion, as far as I remember was whether the bosses were trying "comic reliefs appealing to Undertale audience".
The discussion is whatever I feel like talking about tbqhwy.
>What part did Hollow Knight steal that is so shamelessly ripped from Undertale that is so original game?
Small enemy sitting in a comically oversized suit of armor as seen >>382122285
>you watch anime that you probably think is mature and free of "juvenility" you hate so much
'Watching' anime and 'playing' video games have nothing in common.