Is /v/ excited for League of Legend's newest champ? &g

>>382061368
another edgelord for the yasuo mains, his E looks retarded.

>It's another "Anthony Burch is physically incapable of writing any character who doesn't say corny sarcastic shit in half of his/her/non-binary gender dialogue" episode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ny4piDu4W0

literally my sons yasoa oc

>>382061368
Wow so dark and adult

WHY IS THIS GAME NOT DEAD YET

He'll make ADC mains cry so yes.

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>>382061368
Isn't this just Testament from guilty gear with braided hair and Dizzy's wings?

>>382062623
Somewhat casual with competitive aspects and one of the most popular MOBAs right now, Riot is still raking in a lot of cash and the fanbase isn't dead yet so of course it isn't dead.

>>382062816
i see more people hate this game than actually enjoy it, is the entire playerbase 12 years old?

>>382061368
Another prime example of Riot's inability to just make a champion that isn't overloaded with at least 20 paragraphs of reading and side abilities. Would have been perfectly fine just as the light one or the dark one, or making the dark form his ult.
I can't wait for the first two weeks people spam him in the jungle for freelo because of their inability/unwillingness to balance champs on their release in order to sell more RP for the champ.

Christ, League is so bad. So many heroes and the pool is homogeneous unlike in Dota and Hots for fuck's sake.

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>>382062623
>>382062816
>>382063060

How hilariously edgy looking.

>>382061368
Doesn't LoL charge for champions? Fuck that

>>382063221
The fuck is Gigantic

>>382063221
Where is Heroes of Newerth? Isn't that popular?

>>382062623
Because it's still the most popular MOBA in the world? Cry more.

>>382063221
infinite crisis is absolutely dead when was this made.

>>382063374
it was popular for a while but then it got absolutely dead.

>>382063375
>Cry more
you need to be 18 or older to post here

>>382063221
im surprised gigantic is even doing that well

>>382063447
Nice original comeback

>>382063552
nice original comeback

>>382063374
At first the MOBA scene was basically League of Legends and Heroes of Newerth. League of Legends was free while Heroes of Newerth costed money. Then Dota 2 happened and Heroes of Newerth went F2P and slowly died. Then the dev made Strife and no one cared about Strife.

>>>/vg/
>>>/trash/

>>382062623
Its kind of dead in America, at least compared to other regions. Turkey has a way higher playerbase than NA

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Nice! I love edgy characters!

>>382063764
The new champ is basically an edgelord that's also possessed by a guy of the same race as that edgy champ.

>>382063759

theres plenty of people in US that still play m8y

>>382063764
Too bad Aatrox is fucking shit.

>>382063221
>believing this
lmao

>>382063926
>believing the earth isn't flat
LMAO

He's actually cooler than I expected since he seems to be silly edgy like Reaper.

>>382061368
why is riot so focused on creating topless male characters recently?

crawling in my skin

>>382061368
His skin makes him look like Logarius

>>382064161
>I like him because he resembles retarded concepts employed by based ActiBlizz™'s latest crate opening simulator

lol

When you can predict a dash and a movement skill before clicking the link you know their design philosophy has a problem. Swapping forms seems neat but its pretty minor changes.

>>382065132
Are you ok?

>>382065132
Yeah god forbid I use a recent and relevant unfortunately example to make a point.

>>382061368
>Playing ASSFAGGOTS

>>382065270
He honestly seems incredibly boring. I haven't felt completely nothing towards a new champion in a very long time.
His ability to noclip through walls while also healing is like the only slightly new thing about him.

>>382065339
>this frustrated shill

lol

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>>382065507

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I really dont want to believe Burch got to write a character but holy shit it feels like it, good gameplay trash dialogue.

Another Ionian edgemaster? Why the fuck does every other character need ties to Ionia?

>>382065738
I don't know, probably weebs. I fucking hate Ionia but Kayn is not quite as insufferable as his apperance suggests. His release WILL be an utter disaster though because Klein is the lead designer for him.

>>382063221
>Infinite Crisis
it still hurts...

>>382065270
He and Camille are so uninspired gameplay wise.

>>382065738
weebs

>>382063920
>tfw go 12/3 as Olaf
>Aatrox on my team feeds Swain and goes 1/9
AATROX MAINS FUCK YOU

>>382065738
Hes Zeds student. He has to be edgy.
Im sick of Ionia though. Wheres my Noxus.

>>382061719
>>382061368
>sasuke + Lifestealers ult

So this is leagues answers to Hots mechanics like abathur or chogall

RIP League

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>>382061368
That W ability is so fucking cookie cutter and generic from the perspective of modern LoL it almost makes me physically ill

>>382063221
Wasn't Infinite Crisis already dead before 2016?

>>382061368
why is shadowfiend in the background?

>>382067019
Wow, damage in a line.
But if you're demon boy, it knocks people up as well.

Wow.

>>382067209
On top of that, there are already way too many abilities with the same exact visual effect as well

He sounds like Akechi from p5, is it the same va?

>>382067384
His Q is also just a Yasuo E dash Q.

i honestly expected league to be dead by now, what a shame

>>382067662
Why?

>generic ability set except E is a walk through walls instead of basic attack empower
>ult is straight up stolen from Lifestealer
>yet another super edgy piece of shit
>even has an inner demon he's fighting
>fucking BURCH wrote him?

Nice hero, Riot.

>>382067010
>HotS niggas always trying to draw attention to their game at every turn
He is pretty unexciting though. He probably won't make for a very good jungler either even though he's designed with that in mind because
>CC-less ganks

>>382067717
Because people in /v/ are eternally spiteful towards League and while it's not as bad as it used to be, /v/ is still /v/alve. Actually a lot of folks here are prettu hostile towards PvP games in general, see fighters as an example.

>>382061719
the still looks like a KH character

>>382061719
Those voice lines are so generic

>hurr I kill you

>>382068085
LoL's always had bad connotations on /v/ thanks to the LoL General that was on the front page of /v/ all the time years ago before /vg/ was made.

>>382068085
>and while it's not as bad as it used to be, /v/ is still /v/alve.
It's even worse than it used to be.

the blue form is so much more fun to play then the red form

>>382068604
Yeah I know, it wasn't just League either, Starcraft, TF2, and fighting games were bad about it too. And let's not forget the prototype for /vg/ as a whole, Pokemon General.

>>382068854
I say not as bad because at least now people are more aware and outspoken about /v/alve being a shit company, and you don't as often see people hailing them as god's gift to gaming.

>>382061719
Since when did Anthony Burch write for Riot?

>>382069202
Pokemon General was also the start of /vp/.
But relating to this new champion to stay on topic, he looks horribly uninspired. I hear Riot talk about "power budgets" a lot, and I bet his "walk through walls" skill probably took a lot of that away, so that's why all his other skills are so boring looking.

>>382062789

Yes. Lots of League/DOTA characters take inspiration from existing archetypes and folklore.

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>burch wrote him and it turned out to be a gay grim reaper

like clokwork

>>382069334
He got picked up after he got booted from his last job

>>382067717
i just thought people would've gotten bored of playing the same boring game day after day

>>382069334
He's been working at riot for quite awhile now

>>382069650
>>382069739
But wasn't him kicked a few months ago?

>>382061368
>dota has generic blizzard reskins
>hots IS generic blizzard skins
>lol has fun and edgy weeb shit

i'm too old to be triggered by this shit anymore

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he looks like a lot of fun, and honestly i love rushdown champs

bonus points for being a stance character. thats my jam

>>382061719
Those lines are so Burch it's unbelievable. Especially the demon's voicelines.

>>382069730
People do take breaks you know. And some people just like the game. You'd be surprised at how many people there are that dedicate themselves to a given PvP game but don't really play video games in general.

>>382069202
>I say not as bad because at least now people are more aware and outspoken about /v/alve being a shit company, and you don't as often see people hailing them as god's gift to gaming.
>LoL is better because people realized valve sucks
what

>>382061719
why do they even add this, nobody ever uses this shit

>>382069987
How in the flying fuck did you infer that from what I said?

>gains charge from autoing champs
>uses up charge to walk through terrain or to reset cooldown on any non-ultimate ability

>>382069730
Well, a lot of people don't think it's boring yet. Millions of people in fact.

Do people still play this?
I remember everyone I bumped into at school like 2-3 years ago played, and now I don't think I've seen a single person playing on campus for at least two semesters.

>>382070073
Because your first post was worded incredibly unclearly and it sounded like you were saying LoL isn't as bad as it used to be

For all those asking why anyone would still play this game, you should only play ARAM. It's what I do and it makes the game a lot more fun and less time consuming.

>>382070393
i play with a couple friends every so often, but its kinda boring playing alone.

i could do ranked, but i have other commitments, and i'd rather not

>>382070393
it's the most popular online game in the world

/V/ hates league of legends ?

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Why can't they just add more evil characters who are just power obsessed assholes instead of having 2deep backstories?

Like literally everyone in Noxus

Also when will they release the Urgot rework so I can go back to never paying attention to this generic shitshow.

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>>382061719
post yfw you're not Anthony Burch

>>382061368
>Nicest person you'll ever meet

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>>382061719

>>382071117
Pretty soon. I bet in like 2/3 patches

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>>382071394
>mfw i don't know who he is

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>>382070421
I mean, LoL isn't as bad as it used to be but that's entirely unrelated to the Valve situation.

>>382071117
Kayn IS a power obsessed asshole. He literally picked up Soul Edge and is trying to kill the evil inside so he can use it for himself and succeed Zed. Basically:

Kanye - "Notice me Zed-senpai!"
Rhaast - "Nigga you gay"

Seems to be the gist

Am I the only one who still plays this game for ARAM and Weekend modes?

>>382072025
>I mean, LoL isn't as bad as it used to be
Yeah, because forcing the forced meta to the point where it's locked into the matchmaking and further streamlining and homogenizing all the characters sure makes it a better game

>>382072194
A LOT of people want URF back. There's some people that only play League to play URF.

>>382061368
why is advertising not a bankable offense on /v/?

>>382072353
It is
Talking about video games on a video games board isn't advertising though

>>382072320
Fuck man, you had to remind me. I want piss off Rivens with Bard spam

>>382061719
>It's another "Anthony Burch is physically incapable of writing any character who doesn't say corny sarcastic shit in half of his/her/non-binary gender dialogue" episode
Also known as Whedonism. It's affecting so many North American writers nowadays, it's sad.

>>382072318
No, but them actually finally getting their shit together by fixing up a lot of characters both visually and mechanically, adding replays, training, (shit that should have been in forever ago), runes in their current state being done away with, etc do. I mean whether or not you think the game is good isn't important, bit the game is objectively better than it used to be.

>>382072953
>bit the game is objectively better than it used to be.
Additional outside-of-game features and cosmetic polish does not equal a good game.

>>382072953
I can't wait for the Rune/Mastery rework.

>>382073160
No they don't, but they do enhance the experience.

>>382061368
He looks just like me.

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>>382073160
>outside-of-game features
>>382072953
>characters
>replays
>training
>runes
>>382073160
>outside-of-game features

>>382061719
Wasn't he fired sometime ago

>>382072320
I suppose one reason why URF ain't coming back is the "Joke game mode or not, this is 101% serious" crowd.

>>382074283
And even though, they bring back fucking Ascension and Poro King every other week.

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>>382074158
Those are all out of game features except characters which were all made more generic and worse in nearly all cases, and runes which haven't been fixed yet

>>382063764
> PussayMuncher
> DumpsterMethBaby

Heh

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>>382061368
>Shadow abilities
We fayde now

>>382074509
There hasn't been a single VGU that hasn't made a champion better off outside of maybe Fiora which just made her fucking obnoxious.
>Inb4 Mordekaiser
Which wasn't a VGU. It was a disastrous rework but they plan on revisiting him because they know they shit the bed with that dude.

>>382061719
Holy fuck what the hell. How can someone write this? It's so fucking pathetically bad.

>>382074509
Replays and training are not out of game features you monkey. You use replays to review your play and training to, well, train your mechanics.
>characters were all made more generic and worse
What is the point of discussing something you made your mind up about before even understanding it?

To be fair, yeah, runes are just upcoming changes but the point is they are working on it and doing great work. Better late than never, no?

I'd actually play league on occasion if they gave me the option to make a one time payment and have all the champions.

I played it for 3 years and spent nothing on it not getting a dime out of me any other way

>>382061719
this is DMC-tier

>>382062623
waaa waa why people play games that i dont like wa waaaaa im a cry bbaby a little bitch piece of shit waaa waaa where is my milk mommy waaa waa waaa

>>382074771
>There hasn't been a single VGU that hasn't made a champion better off outside of maybe Fiora which just made her fucking obnoxious.
Nearly every champion update just deleted the character and replaced them with a totally unrelated more generic streamlined nu-LoL character with the same name. Nearly all of them are terrible. It's a massive fuck you to anyone who liked playing the character before and cared about their niche and playstyle.

Soraka is one of the worst offenders, but aside from a few outliers they're disasters all across the board. At least a few they realized were terrible and partially reverted afterwards, like with Malzahar.
Why the fuck wouldn't Mordekaiser count? His is one of the most retarded.

>>382075049
>Replays and training are not out of game features you monkey. You use replays to review your play and training to, well, train your mechanics.
These are literal out of game features, you drooling retard. Are three whole words really this hard for you to comprehend? They have no effect on the actual match gameplay which is what we're discussing the quality of.

>What is the point of discussing something you made your mind up about before even understanding it?
Not an argument.
See above

Getting rid of runes is the only point you have here, but until it's actually in the game and we know how it works it's not a valid point. "They're fixing this in the future and it's not even fully drafted out yet" is not an argument as to why the game is better now.

>>382075112
I've been playing the game for like 4 years and I still don't own all the champs cause the champs I don't own I don't even want to play.

>>382075049
Not him, but you're retarded.
>replay is part of the game
Is this the intelligence of the people that are still playing league in the year 2017?

>>382061719
"Zed's final lesson? Don't be him"

woooahhhhhh

>>382075424
Soraka was not a VGU either. Their VGUs have been good (meaning visual and gameplay update, basically champ rereleases like Sion, Warwick, Galio), but their smaller scale reworks have been way less consistent and in some cases outright disastrous.

>>382074771
Kog'maw's was an impossible to balance disaster. Thank god they rolled that back.

Leblanc also got kneecapped, but Leblanc is a fucking bitch and the less she shows up the better.

>>382075591
>Soraka was not a VGU either.
So? I'm talking about design reworks, why the fuck would it matter if they overhauled the visuals and the design at the same time or separately?

Reworks are reworks, and the vast majority of the reworks they've done are trash.

>>382075424
What exactly did they do to my boy Morde? Have they done anything with Kayle? I've always had this sinking feeling that Riot would ruin her ingame and in the lore.

>>382061368
>Is /v/ excited for League of Legend's newest edgelord?
FTFY

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>>382075049
>replays are not an out of game feature
Congratulations! You've won!

>>382075826
>made Leona and Diana literal sisters
Actually slightly triggered me

>>382063203
lolbabs will eat that shit up. They've invested way too much time money and effort to pull out now.

>>382071510
This picture always kills me. Why the fuck would they ask for his help at all? He doesn't even look capable of protecting them from anything

Are Master Yi and Fizz still in the game? If so I ain't coming back.

>>382061368
>champion
What a stupid word

Who wants to be a fucking champion. Champion of sucking dick. Give me a hero.

There is zero reason to play league when both DotA 2 and HotS exist. You cannot refute this.

>>382075480
I played casually, I got sick of the grind for characters I want and it felt like I was always loosing ground with each release

>>382075820
Because the VGUs are more in-depth and people tend to get mad about some of them like Sion's or Warwick's even though they're much better off for them. Also Soraka's rework was fine (the one that came alongside Viktor) and actually really strong, the RE-REWORK made her feel like total shit.

>>382076141
Where are these HotS niggas coming from?

>>382076156
I dunno, it never really felt like a big grind to me. I've played the game long enough that I've unlocked every single character I ever liked through the free rotations. Even after four years I still don't even ever play Jungle cause fuck that role, I don't want to be an entire team's abused parent.

>>382076236
Not an argument.
HotS got popular once everyone installed overwatch and then blizzard gave a third of the roster away.

>>382076236
>Where are these HotS niggas coming from?
Not him but HotS is decent now. Has been for a while. I'd say its easily better than LoL and Smite atm. DotA 2 is probably still the best out of all the games but as someone who has played most of the big ones for a good amount of time HotS is in a good place right now. I played the early alpha of HotS and fucking hated it but it has changed a fair bit since then.

>>382076339
To each their own I guess. I've been playing HotS and getting characters in that feels way easier a quicker. granted that mega bundle helped

>>382076339
The grind killed me because you had to pay twice as much just to fill out the fucking retarded ass rune pages, and if you didn't you were noticably weaker.

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>>382075424
>>382075485
>>382075908
>Features of a game are not features of a game because they aren't directly inside the main game mode
Is ARAM an out of game feature too? How about story modes in fighting games? Not features either?

Try not to drown by looking up too long, or do and help out the people around you.

>>382075826
>Morde
Anon, I am sorry.
>Kayle
Pretty much untouched. They plan on doing (something) to both Kayle and Morgana sometime in the relatively near future, probably late this year/early next year.

>>382072194
ARAM is basically the only thing I ever play anymore. Everyone in the game mode is so casual about it and doesn't really give a fuck, whereas in normal games you get chewed out for the smallest slip up. ARAM is the only thing in LoL that isn't physically painful to play.

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>>382076141
This. The only reason I can see people playing LoL is because >>382075992

3k+ Hours in /Dota 2 strong. RIP HON I've tried some hots but its only fun outside of ranked games.

>>382076236
>Because the VGUs are more in-depth and people tend to get mad about some of them like Sion's or Warwick's even though they're much better off for them
No they aren't. Tons of champions have been totally overhauled without their model changing. Differentiating them here is pointless. I'm talking about champion reworks in general and how they turn characters to shit. When the visuals got overhauled has nothing to do with it.

>Also Soraka's rework was fine
Myself and nearly every old Soraka player I've ever talked to disagrees with you. Morello cried that she was a "healing fountain" despite her having high heal cooldowns and costs, so then they rework her into a LITERAL healing fountain with steady low-cooldown heals that don't provide a cooldown counterplay window. Q feels even lower impact than her old one, the unique playstyle of managing you and your carry's mana together is gone and replaced with the game's 8 billionth "delayed circle snare" ability.

She was a unique pure-replenish support before, and now she's just another generic jack of all trades caster support with cookie cutter abilities who does a little bit of everything.
It's shit.

>>382076705
>Dominion is a feature of the game
>nevermind, it was removed because it was fucking shit
You're retarded. If I tape a baseball game and rewatch it, is that the same as playing it?

>>382063906

The NA playerbase is 1/3 of what it was last year.

Overwatch is eating LoL's playerbase at an accelerated pace.

>>382076236
>Where are these HotS niggas coming from?
No clue, I tried the game once and it felt like shit to me so I uninstalled. He's not wrong though. If you want something competitive, Dota 2 is a far better option (even in its current, sorry state) and can be enjoyed somewhat casually. If you want something casual, HotS does that while also providing more meaningful character variety and multiple maps. LoL is in this awkward state where it tries to do competitive but it really fails at it, directly and negatively impacting its potential as a casual game.

>>382076914
If you play a game of baseball yourself and watch a tape to see what mistakes you made in order to better yourself in the game of baseball then yes, you are still engaged in baseball. The fact that you had to totally change the analogy to fit says a lot.

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>>382076705
>Is ARAM an out of game feature too? How about story modes in fighting games? Not features either?
No, because these are actual functional real game modes. Watching a replay of a match and practicing stuff outside of actual games are not real game modes. You're a fucking moron.

>>382077063
No. You're engaged in practice and preparation. If I drive to the game, is the driving part of the game?
I'm attempting to change the analogy so even a retard like you can understand it.

>>382076987
>lol is slowly but surely losing its audience
feels great in a way.

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>>382076705
Give it to me straight, what did they do to him?

I guess I'll have to wait until then to know how badly they butcher her character. I pray they make her more like a Judge, with her being Dredd and Morgana being America in the story.

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>>382063079
This sounds like a git gud scenario. Once I started one tricking best girl I learned how to deal with overtuned assassin trash (coughfizzcough)

>>382077063
That has no effect on the actual game of baseball, how it's designed and how it's played. That's what's gotten worse in LoL and that's what the original argument was. Practice and replays have no effect on that.

>>382077249
In the juggernaut update they made Morde a bot lane carry (?) that literally required a support nearby for his abilities to function before later reverting most of thowe changes while simultaneously nerfing him into the dirt.

He does have still have the cool ghost dragon mechanic, so you see him here and there as a cheese novelty jungler.

>>382077254
>If you don't like something you must be bad at it
>Opinions about game design quality are 100% based on how hard it is to play against
Congratulations on being the biggest retard in the thread

>>382077576
one thing that always bothered me about lol balancing is that theres no room for creativity

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>>382077254
>best girl
>cant even get a decent picture of her
You disappoint me

>>382076705
Come on dude. Replays, training and so on are improvements to the framework that surrounds the gameplay, not to the gameplay itself.

Would you consider guide websites to be game features? You engage in LoL when you consult them, after all.

>>382077640
Your main point was that Kayn was going to be op, to which I responded that that doesn't matter

You're a moron

>>382077868
A. I'm not him
B. That was pretty clearly a separate point, since nothing was stated to draw them together and Riot releasing new champions slightly stronger than average to entice sales is a common criticism of the game

>>382076441
>Not an argument.
No one was arguing anything you shit poster, it was a goddamn question.

>>382076992
I don't really play LoL much and just get occasional cravings to play it where I'll binge for a bit and go back to other stuff. As far as PvP goes I actually prefer fighting games, I don't really like team-focused activities for the most part outside of Paladins. Although Battlerite is okay and the Summer Patch made me pick it up again.

>>382077651
There's creativity and then there's trying to change a fundamental element of the game like champion roles. For example Warwick's rework has a lot of cool stuff in it, but it doesn't change his role in the game like Morde's failed one.

>>382061368
>Nipple
RIITOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>382061368
hes fun af, his release skin is fuckin ballin, and his overall design + sp[lash art is really cool ima give him a 9/10, ekko being a 10/10 in those departments for comparison

>>382077082
Replays and training are features in the game. Arguing against this is actually just blatantly retarded. Flat out basic reading skills are failing you.
>>382077181
Practice and preparation for what you giant faggot? Oh right, the game of baseball. You change the analogy because you are wrong, plain and simple.
>>382077423
The original argument between us was features of the game, not full on game modes. He tried to argue that anything outside the main game is not a feature of the game. Read the replies before chiming in. Also be sure to tell teams spring training is not actually playing baseball. Bullpen is also just not part of the game.
>>382077776
See above. The argument was "out of game features" which would be something like champion spotlights or those animations they do. Those are examples of out of game features. Replays and training are in-game features. This is not hard to comprehend.

>>382077249
>>382077576
Explains it well.

>>382061368
And I thought fucking Yasuo was edgy. At least his scythe is kind of funny. This guy would be insufferable if he took himself seriously all the time like Yasuo.

>>382076850
You're free to disagree, I think she's a lot better than what she once was. Also she's still a pure replenish support, healing is the only thing she does better than anyone else, she isn't a jack-of-all-trades in any sense of the term.

>>382077254
Nigga Fizz destroys Lux if he isn't completely brain dead. That is a totally uphill matchup and your post honestly was fucking retarded because Fizz isn't even complex, he's just retarded.

>>382077576
>Jungler
More like a top laner to shit on Rivens and Yasuos.

>>382078329
Holy shit you're dumb. Try finishing freshman highschool and get back to us.

>>382078498
>ur dum
Nice argument. How about pointing out something inaccurate in what I said? Too hard for elementary level reading?

>>382078329
>The original argument between us was features of the game
"Features of the game" means the actual game itself, the gameplay. By your logic, there are no "out of game features" because anything that relates to the game is magically part of the game despite not actually making up the gameplay in any form. You have no clue what you're talking about. You can sit here and cry about meaningless semantics all you want, but you're wasting your time because it has nothing to do with what's actually being discussed.

My clearly stated original point I've been on the entire time is that the design and play of the actual gameplay itself has gotten worse over the game's life. I don't care if I can practice the bad game design in a sandbox mode now, it's still bad game design.

Are you done being an idiot now?

>>382076992
7.0 had a rough start, especially coming from the best dota had ever managed to be, but dota is in a pretty good place right now. Honestly the only complaint I have anymore is shrines need like a 1 second channel to activate and monkey king needs to get un-gutted.

>>382078452
>Also she's still a pure replenish support
No she isn't, she slows and snares now just like every other caster support.

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>>382069557
>take inspiration
*blatantly copies

>>382078943
Yeah 7.0 was really rough, especially UI wise and the whole shrine thing in my opinion. If I were valve I'd only have 1 shrines. But the game is wonderful again.

>>382078980
Just because she has CC it doesn't mean she isn't a dedicated healer. The snare isn't even the point of her E, the silence is. The purpose of her Q is to keep herself healthy, you don't just do it for the goddamn slow. The point was to put herself at risk when healing. You complained about her being a "literal healing fountan" and then complain about her being a jack of all trades, which one is it? Because if you're picking Soraka for absolutely any reason other than nonstop healing then you need to pick another champion because her CC and damage are both significantly worse than that offered by others.

>>382078452
>Fizz destroys Lux if he isn't completely brain dead. That is a totally uphill matchup and your post honestly was fucking retarded because Fizz isn't even complex, he's just retarded.

Overtuned in the sense that he does way more damage than is reasonable. That said, the point was that assassins like him become much less of a threat the farther away from Bronze you get, not that you would know about that, casual

>>382078849
>"Features of the game" means the actual game itself, the gameplay
That is wrong. You are factually incorrect. That is not what feature means. You are not getting past that. Features of a game include everything that can be accessed within the game itself. That includes things like training rooms, replays, galleries, statistics screens, etc. Features you can sell the game on. When you want to read for once in your life, you can come back and explain how you got a completely inaccurate meaning from a word.

And no, your original point with somebody else was about the core gameplay. Your argument with me is about what features of a game are. Is that where you got lost? I can understand if that was where you got lost and how you ended up confused. We can go back and clear up if that is your misunderstanding.

>>382079305
>Just because she has CC it doesn't mean she isn't a dedicated healer.
Nobody said she isn't a dedicated healer. I said she got streamlined further away from being a pure replenishment support, not that she doesn't do it at all anymore. My major complaint with the rework program is that it shrinks these gaps in playstyle variety.

>>382079258
I think three shrines is fine, but they should probably put more distance between them, like one behind each tower instead of having them all clumped in the middle.

>>382079374
>itt: literal autist spergs out over semantics when he knows perfectly well what everybody meant

>>382077576
I had to see it for myself the dragon ghost does look pretty cool, but what little interest I had in this game has dissipated seeing this.

>>382079374
>Features of a game include everything that can be accessed within the game itself. That includes things like training rooms, replays, galleries, statistics screens, etc.
All of which are out of game features because they take place outside of the gameplay. This is a well established term that means exactly this. You're a fucking idiot.

>And no, your original point with somebody else was about the core gameplay. Your argument with me is about what features of a game are.
Yes, that's exactly what I fucking told you, that you're arguing pointless semantics that have nothing to do with what's actually being discussed or what was intended by the statement. On top of that, you're still wrong about them because out of game features is a term used to describe things like replay systems, practice modes, stat screens, etc.

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FUCK OFF LOL MARKETERS

>>382079374
You literally are covering your ears and whining like a child. You are clearly too autistic for 4chan.

>>382079319
They become less of a threat because people start to get their wits together and not suicide into enemies nonstop. It's still a fucking awful matchup for Lux because the further away from bronze you get, the more people playing shit like Fizz are less retarded.

>>382079496
It's funny because Soraka actually was played as a solo laner prior to her rework because she just became a brick that would auto push lanes. The whole point was to make her a dedicated healer that couldn't deviate from just being a support, while also making her more vulnerable for her ability to heal so rapidly.

>>382079560
This is not a genre that can really be played sparingly. It's pretty time consuming and is more of a hobby in itself. I don't have the patience to stay committed to these games but I also have addictive tendencies so more often than not I'll just play in bursts before dropping the game for months at a time.

>>382079749
I found battleborn an amusing failure, but I never wished for it to fail.
I want to see league burn. It is more cancerous than Minecraft.

>>382076987
You are factually incorrect. League is STILL growing, and the 1/3rd thing is actually so wrong it hurts. No source, what a surprise.

>>382076987
>A game from a completely unrelated genre is somehow stealing 2/3 of League's playerbase

wew lads

>>382079984
A quick Google search confirms that league is shrinking. He might of exaggerated a bit, but particularly in NA it has lost large amounts of players.

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>>382079984
no source for you league is growing lie either

according to google trends, league is as popular as it was in 2011 lmao

dead game

>>382079962
>not wanting anything randy shitford does to fail

all western trash needs to die so japs can take over and make vidya great again

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>>382080208
(You)

>>382079821
Don't delude yourself, Soraka no longer being broken in a solo lane is purely the result of her no longer being able to self-cast the heal. Her heal's cooldown going way down and her gaining CC has nothing to do with that.

>>382080285
not an argument cuck

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>might actually live to see LoL die
Whats next, Simpsons ending?

>>382061368
No

Go away

If you play this game, odds are I fucking hate you.

>>382079821
>while also making her more vulnerable for her ability to heal so rapidly.
Oh, weird that they gave her a slow and a snare and took away her heal cooldown disadvantage window then

>inb4 WAHH WELL MAKING IT SO SHE CAN'T HEAL HERSELF IS WHAT DID IT
They could have changed that without destroying the rest of her, and they gave her a replacement self heal on Q instead
It's just a trash rework

>>382079515
>Say something factually wrong
>Get called out
>Instead of admitting it was stated incorrectly and that you meant something else, and moving on like a normal person should be able to do, you chimp out and act superior
Ebin. Feel free to do a flip when you jump off a bridge.
>>382079741
>out of game feature
They are directly on the client you real life bonobo. Would you be acting this stupid if the game worked like Dota where the client and game are not separate? Nevermind what I said, you really are just a moron.
>Well established
Not in any form of English. Pick up a dictionary and then kill yourself.
>or what was intended
See first reply.

You are wrong. That is that.
In fact,
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features
You can apologize whenever.
>>382079781
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LZRUY6Q/

>>382080658
You know how I know you're autistic?
You didn't post a projecting reaction image. You didn't even post the first result of a projector. YOU ACTUALLY WENT ON AMAZON AND POSTED THE NUMBER ONE SELLING PROJECTOR.

>>382079821
I used to just play for the first win bonus and ranked whenever I felt like hating myself. It's wholly possible to moderate how much you play this game, but I don't see a reason to play this at all anymore.

>>382080956
>you're autistic
Yep. You know what else though? I am not wrong. Nothing else matters but facts, and the facts agree with me here. Too bad.

>>382080658
>They are directly on the client you real life bonobo. Would you be acting this stupid if the game worked like Dota where the client and game are not separate?
Like I already told you, it's a well established term that refers to features that are in the system but are not part of the actual gameplay itself. Developers, and media have been calling it this for ages. The features are also out of gameplay features in Dota, LoL having the separate client window has nothing to do with this.

>You are wrong. That is that.
>In fact,
>http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features
>You can apologize whenever.
>>>>>>>>>>features
Literally nobody said these aren't features, everyone's telling you they aren't IN-GAME features. I'm not sure if you can actually get any more stupid than this, but you've surprised me before.

>Not in any form of English. Pick up a dictionary and then kill yourself.
The English dictionary doesn't cover game industry terminology. I really hope you're just pretending to be retarded at this point.

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>this thread
so glad I don't have any autistic friends

>>382081120
Facts are not subjective.

>2017
>plays league
>is autistic
>writes an essay on /v/
You are less than a man

>>382078329
>The argument was
Well first off, it wasn't. The original argument was an asinine claim that LoL is objectively better now, which I really don't have much interest in because after playing more of the genre, in particular Dota, I've come to the conclusion that even when I started playing LoL (which I played for a couple of years), it was still a pile of shit, but that was slightly masked by community ignorance about the optimal way to play.

The argument you're having currently seems to be mainly semantic, where literally everyone but you is using the same definition and you grow more absurd with every reply, for example by trying to define out of game features as their champion spotlights and shitty trailers.

I also enjoy how smug you're coming across while being on the "wrong" side of a semantic argument.

>>382080070
It's really not that hard to believe. OW shares features with LoL that explains its appeal to casual players, e.g. being team based (which gives it a social aspect many competitive games lack), players having to fulfill specific roles (which means you can focus on what you want to play), being easy to pick up.

Genre doesn't matter anyway, since I don't see why casual players would be attached to an RTS style camera and control scheme over a FPS control scheme.

>>382079374
the only game feature riot has added recently is alt-clicking, which it took from dota

>ctrl-f
>deif
>Phrase not found
Come on, not a single
>Kayn is deified
joke?

>>382081759
>implying lolbabs know who or what legacy of kain is
stop

>>382081804
I don't expect that of them, I expect the randos who show up in this thread to rip on Kayn to know it.

>>382081759
>>382081804
>>382081965
Nigga the only reason I played Blood Omen 2 as a kid was so I could kill women in the street because at the time it aroused the fuck out of me and I didn't really understand why just yet.

>>382080451

WoW is dying too

we're reaching the end of an era

>>382061368
Is this rejected blizzard concept art?

>>382082074
>I played Blood Omen 2
I'm so sorry.

>>382082295
Blood omen 2 was fine, just not as good as the rest of the series.

>>382082147
WoW was from a previous era. And honestly, it's really not dying. I think legion is garbage except for the really enjoyable leveling experience, but WoW is gonna hold steady at a couple million. If it really does start flagging, I guarantee someoldschool servers will revitalize: it's blizzjew's trump card.

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Where's my fucking lightning champ

>>382081242
Super, we are just going to have to agree to disagree because it turns out I can read and you can not. I gave you clear examples, you gave me "no" and what you say, and not show, goes.

Great discussion ability you have going on.

In-game features are features accessible from within the game. You are convinced otherwise, and think in-game features are not necessarily what is in the game, but must be directly within the main gameplay. Do you understand why I am not going to agree with that? It is an inaccurate description. No by the way, "well everyone just agrees" is not an argument.

>>382081319
Correct, and that is why they matter to me. Apparently not to some people around here.

Here you are as well though, doing no better, lesser man.

>>382081438
>it wasn't.
It was. Stop lying.
>out of game features as their champion spotlights and shitty trailers
Are those not out of game features? Do words have no meaning anymore? Can you not read?
>I also enjoy how smug you're coming across
I knew Amazon was fast, but wow, impressive delivery time.
>"wrong" side
I am right though. Too bad.
>semantic argument
I mean yeah, when people are abusing a term that can not be agreed on because reading is hard for you people, that happens.

>>382063221
there's no way hots is that big

>>382082585
Kennen

>>382082710
>In-game features are features accessible from within the game.
No they aren't, because that's not what the term means.
>You are convinced otherwise, and think in-game features are not necessarily what is in the game, but must be directly within the main gameplay.
Yes, because that's what the term means.

Your only argument is "this term means what I say it does instead of what it actually means."
People have been using this terminology for years now. Developers, players, and journalists alike. This isn't something you can argue. I know it's hard to accept, but you're wrong.

>>382061368
I actually like it. Im a sucker for edgy shit though. Mostly because i find the over the top edgy nonsense hilarious but in a fun way.
Ill try him out. Hopefully the whole "multi class" class becomes a thing. Would ve great on some other champions. Khazix, rengar, Aatrox, etc. I think it would fit well for them. As long as its balanced anyway.

>>382078943
I have issues with 7.00 for a bunch of reasons. It would not be far from the truth for me to claim that I hated every single change it brought.

I still despise shrines and will never consider them improvements to the game. Among other things, they're zones of strong healing that punish teams for fighting out of their territory and they also make high-ground sieging aggravating. I don't like that Diffusal's interesting self-purge ability was removed because of Riki, nor do I like the Meepo changes. I still think talents are retarded and replaced a system that was elegant and somewhat hampered snowballing.

The HUD change still puzzles me in how incompetent it was in every possible way.

However, I do agree that some changes since then have been good (really good in fact, like denying giving both players experience), and I think there's hope for the game, mainly because the player count dropped and Valve cleared noticed (even though it could be for other reasons, I find it very telling that Siltbreaker was behind a paywall), and the last patch was pretty good overall. Mainly, it gets to me that as you said, 6.88 was the very best Dota was, and we have absolutely no way to play it again, and that 7.00 was such a massive opportunity for Valve to relaunch the game and properly introduce new players, but they completely fucked it up.

>>382083280
>not what the term means
Yes it is. It is right there: "in-game"
That means in the game. Nothing more, nothing less. You are the one adding arbitrary restrictions to it for no reason that are not present anywhere in the term. Have you considered something more accurate, such as, "gameplay features" to say what you mean to say, which as I am sure you will not agree, is far more descriptive and accurate?

Even if people do, which they do not and you are still making that up, it would still not make it suddenly right. I have no idea why you are convinced of this. I know this is hard to accept, but people's opinions do not change facts. That means both of us and not just you.

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>>382083681
>The HUD change still puzzles me in how incompetent it was in every possible way.
Remember wyrrykhm or whatever his name is passive aggressively shitting on players calling them 'professional UX designers'
I like the talents though if only that it adds more creativity to playstyles, but not crazy enough that you can play every character like tekken. but it needs more working though.

But yeah they could have really worked on the relaunching event.

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>>382083731
>the definition of a term is my personal interpretation of the literal words that make up the label and not the actual real thing that the term was created as a label to define
I think we're done here
You can't just make up your own definitions for shit and expect anyone to take you seriously

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>>382084051
>You can't just make up your own definitions for shit
You are the one doing this.

>personal interpretation
>literal words that make up the label

So my personal interpretation lines up with the literal definition, your personal interpretation comes out of your ass, but I am the one wrong here? Thanks for admitting your retardation. Good night, faggot-kun.

>>382084441
>You are the one doing this.
You are literally doing this by taking a well defined term that means something and applying your own interpreted definition to it.

> your personal interpretation comes out of your ass
I'm not giving you a "personal interpretation," I'm giving you the actual thing the term has universally defined within the gaming community as a whole.
Yes, something like "gameplay features" and "non-gameplay features" would be more clear, but that doesn't change the fact that the existing terms are here and already mean something specific. You're being that retard who says Quake is an RTS because it's a real time game and you use strategy in it. Literal interpretations of terms' labels don't define what they mean, the terms are created as labels to define something specific.

>lalalala I can't hear you I'm right lalala okay goodnight bye I win
Thanks for admitting you're wrong by running away without actually providing a counter argument that hasn't been debunked an hour ago.

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>like the demon more than the fucking guy because the demon is just a generic MAIM BURN KILL guy with silly lines instead of literally sasuke uchiha

great character riot

>>382084020
>Remember wyrrykhm or whatever his name is passive aggressively shitting on players calling them 'professional UX designers'
Yeah who even was that guy? Some glorified helper, right? I also remember him comparing it to the HUD change that happened in the beta, because if one change was good that means all change is good right?

I get why talents look appealing, but to me the added creativity comes across as illusory or bland in most cases or pants-on-head retarded for the lvl25 talents. In a few cases, I think it dumbs down the game by mitigating hero weaknesses, e.g. the lvl10 Windranger talent that gives 4 flat mana regen.

But yeah, back to the relaunch, it should have been the biggest Dota event in 12 years. Instead, every old Dota player I know came back to check it out and then left again.

>>382080105
Has riot ever published a credible and verifiable statistic of their playerbase?

>>382085196
no

the line their shills go for now is "i-it's popular in CHINA!!!"

>>382085283
>no
how is that even legal?

>>382085095

I don't get the sasuke meme.
He had a legit reason to be so angry and edgy

>>382085358
Since when were games legally obligated to communicate player numbers?

>>382085283
So, the same BS they've been spouting forever, I do remember people accusing riot of inflating lol's popularity through twitch via bots, so it's not unsurprising that they don't state their stats the way valve does.

>>382062789
You're absolutely correct.

>>382085095

i'm legitimately surprised it took riot this long to add a sasuke champion. yasuo is close, but this new guy ticks every single box.

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>>382084441
>realize you were wrong an hour ago
>keep shitposting until you have to go to bed and tell yourself you're right anyways

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>>382061719
Hey, is the VA for Kayn who I think it is?

>>382061719
The voice for the demon side are so fucking retarded, i would rather have an edgelord than an annoying retard

>>382086446
Welcome to Burch writing, annoying retards is all you'll get.

>>382061368
This isn't the scythe loli I was asking for Rito. What the fuck?

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>people still play Assfaggots

>>382086564
wasn't burch fired?

>>382086564
I remember being in a game when kled was released and someone in the chat said
"OMG his lines are so funny XD"

>>382074182
I thought so too, but maybe that was someone else?

>>382084810
Eh? You said we were done, so I went to shower assuming you left. Seems like you just wanted to make me seem like I gave up to make yourself feel better about being wrong? Sad.
>well defined term
You do not have a single fact to back that up. Why do you keep saying it?
>your own interpreted definition
No, you admitted yourself it was a literal interpretation. You gave that up.
>universally defined within the gaming community as a whole
Not a single fact to back that up.
>would be more clear,
>already mean something specific
You keep doing this to yourself. Why do you want terms that are less specific for no reason? That is what makes your nonsense nonsensical. I gave a clear example of why the two terms should be different. You are still crying about it.
>You're being that retard who says Quake is an RTS
You are being the retard saying Quake is not a shooter, it is actually an arena shooter. I am telling you it falls under both.
>without actually providing a counter argument that hasn't been debunked an hour ago.
Well yeah, I can definitely say I have not had an argument of mine debunked at any point, since you deflect every time. I told you exactly what my reasoning was, and you reject it on arbitrary terms. You gave me your reasoning and I explained why it is wrong to have it. That is the difference between us.
>>382086153
Still here, cake boy. Still right too.

>>382075591
Soraka was absolutely a VGU, however as a support main they made her FAR better in both appearance and gameplay

>>382088009
It wasn't, her visual update was before the gameplay one.

>>382088134
they were two parts to the same package, you're right that it didnt happen at once like they started doing with later ones but that was only because being earlier in the pipe line they still werent sure how well it'd be received

>>382061368
The guy in the top right looks really similar to Shadow Fiend

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>>382088556
Yeah he does doesn't he?

>>382087858
>You do not have a single fact to back that up. Why do you keep saying it?
It's been in use for ages. I don't understand how you can go anywhere near video games and not have heard this before and learned what it means. I'm not spoonfeeding you here.

>No, you admitted yourself it was a literal interpretation. You gave that up.
Yes, because a literal interpretation of a label is not a definition. Would you classify Call of Duty as a fighter because you fight other players in it? Because, using the same logic you're using here, you would.

>You keep doing this to yourself. Why do you want terms that are less specific for no reason?
I don't, I'm telling you the term is already here and already means something. If your problem is with the term itself feel free to advocate its change, but trying to argue that it means something else isn't helping that cause and is just completely ignorant.

>You are being the retard saying Quake is not a shooter, it is actually an arena shooter. I am telling you it falls under both.
This doesn't make any sense. This doesn't apply or relate to anything either of us is saying. You're ignoring my point that literal interpretations of labels aren't the same as their definitions. Are you telling me Quake is an RTS?

>Well yeah, I can definitely say I have not had an argument of mine debunked at any point,
You're ignoring established definitions and making up you're own. That makes you wrong, and that's all there is to it.

I'm not going to keep replying to your bait unless you actually give me an argument. Maybe someone else will bite.

>>382061719
>his scythe is a shushu

>>382090225
It has not been in use for ages. I have no idea how you can play video games as much as I assume you have and delude yourself into thinking this is in any way accurate. You see how this gets nothing done? Stop saying it because I have no reason to believe you and you have no reason to believe me. In either way, it changes nothing.

Stop strawmanning the argument. You are the one saying Call of Duty is not a shooter, because it fits into a sub-genre of shooting games. You are the one saying in-game features are not in-game features, because they are not gameplay features.

And I am telling you you are either completely ignorant or a massive liar.

See the CoD example above. You are the one changing what I am saying to suit your viewpoint.

That is in no way shape or form an established definition. You are flat out making this up.

Do you want to actually give me an argument as to why in-game features and gameplay features should both mean the same thing? Do you want to explain why you decided to make an entirely arbitrary and inaccurate definition for terms that can very easily and accurately describe themselves? Will you keep deflecting endlessly?

>>382090971
>It has not been in use for ages. I have no idea how you can play video games as much as I assume you have and delude yourself into thinking this is in any way accurate
It entirely has.

>You are the one saying Call of Duty is not a shooter
I didn't say this, I said the logic you're applying to this terminology would state that with genre label terminology. Terminology is not a definition, it's a label for an independent definition.
It's not a strawman when I apply your exact same logic to another subject to show how flawed it is.

>That is in no way shape or form an established definition. You are flat out making this up.
Not an argument. The thread has been loaded with multiple people telling you it means what I'm telling you and nobody's backed you up. You being ignorant to a well established definition isn't an argument.

>Do you want to explain why you decided to make an entirely arbitrary and inaccurate definition for terms that can very easily and accurately describe themselves?
For the last time, this isn't how terminology works. You're free to disagree with it, but it doesn't magically change the definition of the term. This is what my genre label examples are meant to illustrate but you're just ignoring them.

I'm not wasting my time arguing with someone who refuses to read and just makes shit up.

>>382091314
I am not even going to continue addressing your misinformation. I already told you are mistaken, and neither of us is going to believe the other. You are basing half your argument on something we are not going to budge on due to personal experience and wondering why I am not giving it to you.
>multiple people telling you
And if multiple people told you fire is cold would it suddenly be cold? No. It just means multiple people are wrong. In the same way, the people I have been asking in multiple places heavily lean toward what i describe as being accurate, and unlike you, I am not going to sit here and pretend that people agreeing even makes it right. It being accurate is what makes it right, not what people believe.

It is a strawman when you keep saying I am completely changing definitions. Genres describe the game as accurately as possible while still being fairly open. Subgenres go beyond that. You for some reason are convinced that only subgenres exist, and that subgenres do not belong to genres. That is the point.

Not an argument is right, and that means both of us. I already said it above, opinions do not change facts.

If this is not how terminology works then why are subgenres a thing? You are the one ignoring that.

Why am I wasting my time with someone who refuses to even discuss anything? You are not here to change your mind, you are here to change others. I gave you a clear cut way for me to admit I am wrong: Explain why in-game features and gameplay features should be the same. You refuse to do it because you are incapable.

>>382091973
>And if multiple people told you fire is cold would it suddenly be cold? No. It just means multiple people are wrong.
Logical fallacy. Not an argument.

>Genres describe the game as accurately as possible while still being fairly open.
Exactly my point, they're labels that vaguely describe something that people know and understand instead of being literal words that define them. This is exactly the same thing labels like "out-of-game" features do, so if you can comprehend that I don't know why it's so hard for you here.

>I already said it above, opinions do not change facts.
There are no opinions here. I'm telling you how the core concept of terminology as a whole works and you're just ignoring it and making up your own definitions based on the words in the label instead of what the term has actually come to define and was created to define. If you understand game genre labels aren't literal, why would this game mechanic label be literal?

Go ahead and make up your own definitions for shit all you want if it makes you happy, but nobody's going to agree with you and you're wasting your time.
I suggest you redirect your energy towards changing labels you find unclear instead of telling people they mean things other than what they do because you don't like them. I think the term "moba" is garbage because it's not specific enough and essentially every multiplayer game ever created could be referred to as a "multiplayer online battle arena" exactly as specifically as games like LoL and Dota, but when I bitch about it I talk about how the term is bad and should be dropped in favor of something else instead of telling people it means "any pvp game" instead of "games like LoL and Dota."

>>382092683
brap

>>382087027
Kled was before Burch

>>382062623
Guinsoo is a dark one. He did a ritual along with other powerful members of society to ensure the game succeeded.

>>382092538
>Logical fallacy
Yeah, and appealing to mass is not, right? Get over yourself.
>Exactly my point,
You are saying exactly the opposite. In-game features include everything in a game. Gameplay features include only things a level deeper than that: The gameplay itself. Everything around the gameplay, up to the point of closing the game out, is still an in-game feature, just not a gameplay feature. I am not repeating myself again. Acknowledge the point or I am just going to leave, since you show zero interest in ever acknowledging the differences and clarifications these terms apply to. You just refuse, so why are we still wasting each other's time?
>making up your own definitions based on the words in the label instead of what the term has actually come to define
You do not get to look at RTS and simply decide for yourself that it no longer means real time strategy, but a turn based game with rhythm presses. It just means RTS. You do not get to change that. That is what you want to do with in-game and gameplay.
>I think the term "moba" is garbage
Finally, we can at least agree on something for once.
>not specific enough
Yet you want to be less specific with out-of-game features. Do you not see you are flat out agreeing with me here, and that these terms can and should be more specific? Whatever. Just think on it at least, would you? Consider how much more specific it is to separate in-game and gameplay. Neither of us is going to concede this tonight. At least do yourself a favor and try to see it like that.

To at least end the night on more or less solid ground, I have been wondering what would be a better term for these games, and after many conversations, I think ARTS fits pretty well after all. Action Real Time Strategy is pretty fitting. I am not sure though, what do you think?

>>382092683
Shortstack pls

>>382092683
Rolli

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>>382092683
afdwfwefg23g

>>382063060

"Dude how come my anecdotes aren't reflective of the 7 billion people on this Earth?"

I don't know, why DO you suck dicks?

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>>382063221
Dawngate could be there if EA wasn't full of greedy jew retards

>>382063337
A 3rd person moba in the making for gorillion fucking years. First to be slated for W10 only but people got mad so then some Korean Arc client for non-W10 systems. But who wants some fucking grindan client?

So they have a release on Steam soon. Fucking idiots should have aimed for that in the first place

It seems fun though

>>382063221
>hots this big
did they count how many accountss in total there were or something? that's a load of crock

>>382063221
how does dota have 1/5th the playerbase but with higher paid tourneys and more income