Why do souls gamest try to hide the story from you? That doesn't

It's to be found, not presented. If you can't grasp that, you're missing the aesthetic nexus of Souls.

>>382054348
expect pretentious nonanswers like this OP

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>>382054535
>all souls games are about falling/fallen kingdoms
>complains about the story being hidden in the world design, NPC dialogue and item descriptions

>>382054062
>throw some books around the fucking maps I can stop to read
Good thing you don't make video games.

>>382054062
>bringing up legitimate complaints about a souls game

WEW LAD

Hope you're ready for the fanboy salt

Dark Souls 1 had some kind of a story, 3 does not. Only 2 had a pretty complete story going on in it.

Bloodborne is a complete story, though.

>>382055406
It's not a legitimate complaint. If all games catered to op, things like souls wouldn't exist at all.

>>382055540
>implying souls has a story to begin with

lol

>>382055539
is right, maybe you should try playing the games next time?

>>382054062
ok, so how bad is this game?
ds3 is the last souls game i did not play yet, it gets a lot of shit here, if i just want some fun builds and dont expect much, what am i in for?

>>382055795
None of them are bad. They are all good, but DS3 is just not surprising and kind of rote by this point.

>>382055795
it's fine. it's closer to 1 than it is 2. Its difficulty doesn't stem from just throwing more shit at you

>>382055868
thanks!

>>382055916
All enemies and bosses in Dark Souls 3 get their difficulty from either being really fast, or having multiple sources of damage all at once. DS3, and namely the DLC, is so much worse in this way.

Is 3 worth getting if I only played halfway through 1 before I switched to PC?

>>382056135
I'll take it every day over "hey lets just add another boss to this boss fight, that'll make up for the bland attacks and fighting, right?" that 2 had.

>>382056162
DS3 at least runs well.

>>382056135
>All enemies and bosses in Dark Souls 3 get their difficulty from either being really fast

did you even play 3?

>>382056404
did YOU? this is an extremely common complaint that DS3 added Bloodborne-speed enemies to a game where you aren't performing at BB speed.

>>382056282
Neither are great options.

>>382056135
I'm playing through 2 now and there are so many shitty bosses. WAY worse than 3.

Skeleton guys
3 Sentinels
Bellfry Gargoyles
More I can't remember.

Bear in mind I'm probably halfway through. Honestly, DS2 bosses are shit.

>>382056572
I don't agree with you. I also don't think those bosses are bad, if not just less interesting. But DS2 has a shit ton of bosses, too, so whats a couple of multi-boss fights among like 30+ ?

>>382056471
i did. I never had an issue with it.

probably because I'm not shit

>>382056572
doesnt get better, im not a fan of ds2 bashing but its really not thaaaaat good. Im still glad i played it.

>>382056815
Thanks for posting.

>>382056884
Not an argument.

>>382054062
>I want to be spoonfed everything
Alright but seriously, I get where you're coming from, but your complaint is someone else's praise. I personally like how they present the story and other aspects of the world. Besides, there are plenty of other games that present themselves in the way you want them too.

>>382054062
They could definitely at least try to present it in a better way. My character learning the lore by picking up some dude's pants is fucking retarded

>>382054062
have you ever played a japanese game? you don't want japanese 'storytelling'

>>382057068
what story?

>>382057160
huh? you confused?

>>382057008
me too,

>>382056736
There's nothing interesting in their attack patterns or rewarding in the fight. When I die it feels cheap, when I win it feels cheap.

>>382056873

Yeah, I mean I'm still playing through. I'm enjoying the scale of it, even if none of the environments are really that interesting.

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>>382057117
true dat, anyways you already have typical japanese rpg story from Dark Souls
>muh yami
>muh hikari
>muh kami

Because the FIRST ONE wasn't finished, so it was kinda cryptic but it was supposed to have more in depth to it. But in all and all DOES NOT HAVE A PLOT

The SECOND ONE did what the first one tried to do, and actually HAS A STORY AND A PLOT

The THIRD ONE thought DaS games were successful for their minimal story and plot so THEY DIDN'T EVEN BOTHERED TO DO NEITHER LORE NOR A STORY OR A PLOT. IT'S RANDOM BULLSHIT. DOESN'T EVEN MAKE ANY SENSE UNLESS YOU'RE A MIND GYMNAST.

dark souls is an almost blank canvas, for people to paint their stories onto - and they enjoy to do so. its a big reason why hemmingway is so popular

>>382057264
>there's nothing rewarding
You clear them, you get souls, you maybe get their soul. Not every boss in Dark Souls was rewarding to me, and I'm not surprised that killing three Gargs wasn't that great either.

Cheap is a cop-out for whatever you're trying to say, and so I don't know what you mean by it. Getting gang-banged isn't really cheap, those fights aren't hard they're just not good bosses.

>>382057264
do you summon once a while? the last time i played i was surprised how active the game still is...

>>382054062
>throw some books around the fucking maps I can stop to read
item descriptions mayne

>>382054062
>Just scatter books around the map

Item descriptions nigger, read them

>>382057480
DS2 has an active PVP community cause it was the best Souls ever got.

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>>382054062
Is bloodborne less cryptic about their stuff? I'm a huge lorefag and I just bought a PS4, tho I kinda have some souls fatigue so I was wondering if it was okay for me to get it so soon.

>>382057591
Yeah there's much more that is tangible to see, and then work out on your own. But there's also the weird stuff that you watch lore videos to go Ahhh... to.

>>382057278
This is the correct answer.

The souls series has a lot of legitimately bad design decisions in it, but it got the reputation of LOOK AT DIS GAME MANG, ITS SO HARDCORE, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU'RE JUST A FILTHY CASUAL, YOU'RE NOT A CASUAL, ARE YOU??? any kind of legit criticism of it is merely replied with le git gud meme making any real discussion of the game impossible.

Love the art style though.

>>382057591
had the same and bought it, get the one with the dlc and you are in for some fun, wouldnt miss it.
Bloodborne just isnt much for playing twice (for me). All the other souls games, i played more than once, bloodborne is more like a one time thing for me

>>382057591

BB has a fully-fledged, complete story. DLC helps explain things that the base game doesn't.

>>382057860
>leaps onto someone's unrelated point to elevate your own stupid opinion
you being caught up in thinking anyone's fucking opinion matters is the only thing that gives you the impression that Souls has ever been immune to criticism. dumb ass

I quite like the way they do it, hiding bits and pieces of story in fragments in conversation and item descriptions. It's rewarding to dig around and piece things together.

I'd complain if lots more games did it, and it was a stale formula, but it's not..as far as I know?

>>382058041
>hurrr its all just OPINIONS man
>also my opinion is best!

How pathetic can you be?

>>382055786
Background
>ancient world is comprised of giant trees, everlasting dragons (essentially immortal / nonliving beings) and hollows (also immortal / nonliving beings)
>hollows stumble upon the lord soul and the dark souls and become sentient living beings
>beings with the lord soul become gods
>beings with the dark souls become humans
>gods destroy the dragons and reshape the world
>power of the lord soul fades over time, the dark souls strengthens as the lord soul weakens
>someone with a large portion of the lord soul has to sacrifice themselves periodically to reinvigorate the lord soul, restoring it's power and sealing the power of the dark souls until the power fades again

Dark Souls 1
>lord soul fading
>gods create fake prophecy of the chosen undead to lure powerful humans in the hopes that one will sacrifice themselves to restore the lord soul

Dark Souls 2
>lord souls fading again
>turns out if you don't restore the lord soul, someone else will and that it's happened countless times already
>turns out certain people are trying to break the cycle but fail

Dark Souls 3
>lord soul has been rekindled too many times, each time has been less effective than the last time
>no one has linked the lord soul in too long
>as a safety mechanism the lord soul begins to revive undead from the past so that they can attempt to restore the flame
>life is basically doomed and the world is about to revert to what it was in the time of giant trees, dragons and hollows
>presumably after some time the lord soul and dark souls will reappear again and the cycle will begin anew

It's the shortest version possible but there you go

>>382055539
>Only 2 had a pretty complete story going on in it.

>blame the dark
>blame the deep
>water done did it?

The End.

>>382058114
you not understanding is not something to be proud about

>>382058198
The hypocrisy here is tangible.

>>382058182
that's not DS2

>>382058247
or we're both just being arrogant

There isn't a thread goes by that I don't wish I didn't just call it a day after DS1.

>>382058249

>man makes poor choice of wife

>>382054062
Ironically, Dark Souls 3 had the most blatant story out of the bunch.

Who cares? The entire universe is just a painting in a painting anyway.

>>382058563

Except the paintings. They're paintings in paintings in paintings.

>>382058516
then tell it!

>>382057591
BB's one and done. No bullshit, no cliffhangers. But wait for a while before starting a playthrough. I was in the same situation as yours, and after 2 playthroughs I just couldn't play it anymore.

>>382058474
closer for sure

>>382058897

>wife turns out to be a bitch, king spends all day moping around until a zombie kills his wife, steals his hat, and sits down in his mancave.

>>382059037
No, this is wrong. You miss out everything with the attempts to create and eternal dragon who can keep the fire lit forever. You miss so much when you don't look.

If there is one thing that is always done well in all souls games, that's the hidden lore in the objects' description. It's always good interesting shit that can be read in many ways or even none.

>>382058670
>ashen one seeks souls of the lords of cinders to stop the flame once and for all, gets all the souls, fights the past champions, yadda yadda, decide whether or not to continue the ink.

>>382058474
>>382058897

One thing I don't get about the ending to DS2. If you sit the throne, is that like..the same as linking the fire somehow? or do you just feel like sitting in a tomb underground forever for no reason?

>>382059123

Aldia's doing?

>>382054062
you have to get your story from VaatiVidya.
He makes pretty good videos.
Be sure to donate to my patreon!

>>382059209
I think the throne is you accepting the dark ending, if I remember.

And yeah, Aldia's and Vendrick's work was to create a dragon whose soul would burn eternally and fuel the fire, maintaining the age of man. Queen Bitch wanted the DARK.

>>382054062
>throw some books around the fucking maps
>what are item descriptions?

>>382059389
...you expect me to read PANTS?

>>382054062
They don't.

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>>382054348
Metroid Prime did it better. There's a way to tell a story without spoon feeding but not handing out bread crumbs worth of story.

>>382059426
>he doesn't read pants

>>382059345

>I think the throne is you accepting the dark ending, if I remember.

I dunno, I only played SotFS, so I ended up buggering off with Aldia in my head to find a cure. Made most sense to me, I guess. I'm not sure what the third ending is, then.

>>382059345

Weird. Considering dragons are so long-lived and there are already a few everlasting ones, anyway. I had the feeling they wanted to tame dragons instead, and use them to prop up the cycles and shit.

Still not sure whether the dark and the deep are different, or what Nashandra (?) got out of it apart from a neat weapon and low HP.

>>382057278
>>382057860
samefagging this hard

And who in the world is going to give you this narrative? You play as a silent piece of shit surrounded by insane NPC's that are few in number and have no idea what's going on and the important figures you run into are ancient beasts/mentally lost beings. You are adventuring through a massive tomb.

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>>382059676
>he doesn't know how to check for samefagging

jej

>>382057278
>>382057860
if your gonna samefag don't have the same typing style as both posts faggot

>>382054062
you're supposed to fill in the gaps with your own unique interpretation

>>382058516
it wasn't obvious to me how different lands got pulled together
or how the light firelink shrine was an illusion
or what the purpose of the dark shrine was and whether it's in the past or the future

>>382059553
>Metroid Prime did it better.
I don't agree.

>>382059628
I don't think the "Deep" was ever mentioned outside of DS3. Its a thread that will never go addressed.

>>382059903
There aren't always mechanics to fantasy shit dude. You don't need to understand how the lands merged, if you found out how that certainly wouldn't be interesting and may just detract from the rest (how little of it there is) DS3 deals with.

>>382060017
It's the Please Buy Bloodbourne thread

>>382059857
>quoting nobody
>reddit spacing
really makes me think

>>382060146
yeah might as well be. A lot of DS3's ideas and gameplay stuff seemed to have been cannibalized by Bloodborne.

>>382060175
How about this?

Does this trigger you?

Now?

Some more?

How about now?

Stay mad, kiddo. Summer combined with nu/v/ is terrible, can't end soon enough.

>>382060175
>reddit

>spacing

>mad

>at

>spacing

>in

>a

>text

>post

Does the sneaky snakes show up in DS3?

>>382060335
In name only.

>>382060274
tell me, how did you find this site?

>>382060335
in statues, but no. makes no sense.

>>382059964
And that's okay.

>>382059903
The dark firelink is neither past nor future, it's Champ Gundy's world after he failed to rekindle the flame. He then became lost between worlds and we face him as the first boss after he's been corrupted by the Pus of Man.

>>382054062
Because you're a pilgrim wandering into a dead kingdom at the end of the world. Your character doesn't know what the fuck is going on, and neither do you. There are snippets of story there, and a lot of it thoughtful in it's conception, but there are also gaps in the story for you to fill in, so that you can make the story wholly yours.

>>382060378
le gaia xD I dunno senpai, pick whatever method angers you the most and stick with it.

>>382060335
The story is honestly the worst elements of Dark Souls II and DaS put together.

>>382054062
The real reason is because if they told the story in a straightforward way, it would probably suck. It's much easier to be vague about everything and let players "piece everything together", you don't have to worry about pacing or presentation or anything like that.

>>382060274
>thinking summerfags are real
nice strawman stupid nigger

>>382060335
If only. Considering how much fanservice the game has, the least they could do is have those fuckers show up. They were probably the most interesting part of DaS.

>>382060335
DaS3 is nonsense

Dark Souls had a great story. Short, simple and self-contained with lots of side-stories to it.

Dark Souls 2 was pretty barebones, but still had the intriguing side-stories going for it.

Dark Souls 3 made a convoluted mess of the whole thing, and ends up going nowhere and growing bloated before shitting itself to death ten minutes before the end.

>>382060390
Yuria is supposed to work for whats his name and mentions him when she dies.

>>382060648

I'd have thought they (well...it) would be an integral part of the story..

>>382054062
Maybe you should play a different game then, faggot.

Is there a mod to make these games easier, and your character faster?

>>382061423
b8

>>382058163
Sounds good.

>>382061423
yes

>>382060710
Ten minutes before the end meaning right after you kill Lorian and Lothric and before SoC? Or after Halflight before Gael?

>>382061423
there is but you have to beat the game.

>>382061495

Nah, i'm serious. I played them all just fine a number of times, but i'm a big fan of the IGAvania games, and wonder if it might be made more like them. Tempted to try and work out a mod like this myself.

>>382061423
I'm sure you could increase your health and speed in cheat engine

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>>382058163
>ancient world is comprised of giant trees, everlasting dragons and hollows
Giant plants and diant lizards (dinosaurs) hollows (species with great potential for intelligence, the type of moneys related humans were)
>beings with the lord soul become gods
The lord soul being genetic technology beyond human comprehension. being with the lord soul are the gods they create themselves.
>hollows stumble upon the lord soul and the dark souls and become sentient living beings
more like the lord soul found the hollows. like the beings found the monkeys and realized their genetic potential so they uplifted them genetically.
>beings with the dark souls become humans
They are turned from semi intelligent apes to humans but not made as smart as the creators themselves.
>gods destroy the dragons and reshape the world
They killed off the dinosaurs so their new creation of a slave race could thrive
>power of the lord soul fades over time, the dark souls strengthens as the lord soul weakens
Human influence increases at the expense of the bloodlines of the creators. such as how humans have recently rebelled against monarchies and have instated democracy in its palce.
>someone with a large portion of the lord soul has to sacrifice themselves periodically to reinvigorate the lord soul, restoring it's power and sealing the power of the dark souls until the power fades again
The creators will have to return to earth to fix the situation themselves!!!

NIBIRU CONFIRMED! FOM TRIED TO WARN US!

>>382060710
>Dark Souls 2 was pretty barebones
If only it wasn't the most filled to the brim with content and plot and lore and arguably the best Dark Souls I would agree

>>382062329

Maybe. It might take a bit more than that, though. Thinking about jiggling with drop rates and respawns too, maybe.

>>382054062
I like that it is this way, I don't give a shit about story in rpgs which is a little ironic. I just play these games for the gameplay and atmosphere. I like that you don't need to know the story to beat the game and you can just beat the shit out of things and get a good challenge. This doesn't really help anything or answer your questioon but thats just my view.

>>382062360

>implying that the Souls series isn't Scientology propaganda

>>382054062
>"The world began without knowledge, and without knowledge will it end. Dost not this ring clear and true?"
Your not suppose to have all of the answers in Souls. Your suppose to be late to the golden age and see nothing but the ashes of all of the fallen kingdoms.

>>382056572
Your forgetting The Old Dragonslayer, which is a far more obtuse attempt at fan service than anything 3 ever did.

It goes like this, except the mysteries are not so intriguing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlaoR5m4L80

>>382062406
>ds2
>'arguably the best'

I mean, I guess if your goal is to be contrarian, then yeah, it can "arguably" be considered the best

>>382062731

The bosses in DS2 were utter garbage, with VERY few notable exceptions. And they were just...there. There was no point to fighting most of them.

>>382062406

Your mother is arguably not a slag

>>382062792
People who favor DS2 always bring the superior arguments, have more reasoning, than anything anyone else seems to bring so I advise you to accept that Dark Souls 2 SotFS will undoubtedly be remembered as the "best" Souls game.

>>382062731
Not when you have Andre.

>>382062823
I wish I could say that the dlc bosses were the exceptions, but even most of them were either rehashes (blue smelter demon, the kings pets) or just there (gank squad).

>>382063090
How is that most of them?

>>382063180
Sorry, meant to say half, not most.

>>382063090

>gank squad

Why anyone would thought this would be a good inclusion is beyond me. Then again, this is the same team that brought us the royal rat squad and covetous demon.

>>382063034
Whatever helps you believe.

>>382063293
Or the Dragonriders x2
Who don't actually ride dragons.

2 did have good bosses, but its clear that they valued quantity over quality.

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>>382063034
>SotFS

>>382063682
this image conveys nothing

>>382063646

Most of DS2 seemed to function on the idea that quantity = quality. So much so that everything seems designed to gank you sometimes. And those bosses which just..summon mobs?

Jesus, unforgivable.

>>382054062
>Opening cutscene tells you the history of the world and that you have the undead curse
>Dude in the asylum tells you to go ring some bell because it's an old legend in his family
>Dude in Lordran tells you to actually go ring 2 bells
>You're doing all of this because you've got shit all else to do so you might as well honor the wish of the guy who freed you or at least not go hollow
>Big snake fuck tells you to become Lord Gwyn 2.0
>You become Lord Gwyn 2.0
>Alternatively, other snake fuck tells you to turn off the lights and become an evil dark lord

What's so hard to get about the story? They literally tell it to you every time you actually encounter an NPC.

>>382063830

>I can't infer
>this must mean he didn't imply

Genius

>>382063882

>how I learned to stop hollowing and become king big sad guy (who did the flame thing): The movie: The game.

>>382063936
I'll tell ya again if you need me to. That image conveys nothing.

>>382064039

>maybe if I restate my idiocy, it'll look better

good luck with life, bro.

>>382063882
This.
The lore and backstory might have become tangled by the time of DaS III and the less we talk about DaS II's lore, the better. But 1 never really had issues with conveying the story.

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Was he right?

>>382064075
ok

>>382054062
To sound as non-pretentious as I can, the story is left very open ended on purpose. I think it adds to the whole mysterious and depressing nature of the atmosphere, but I can't say for certain if that's intentional.

>>382064104
DS2's lore is the only one that ever built upon anything. DS3 just added, didn't do anything with the old lore.

>>382054062
Because the story isn't the focus of the game, it's the gameplay.

>>382064216

>DS2's lore is the only one that ever built upon anything

It was literally just more of the same, with a different protagonist.

>>382064160
I think he and Kaathe were pulling a two man con job, but I just don't know the ultimate goal was.
Not that it matters since both snakes are dead by the time of 3.
>>382064216
DaS II didn't really add anything new to the lore either.

>>382064349
>>382064321
>how to break the cycle
>soul science
>the abyss as a further antagonist
you guys gotta know what your talking about if you're gonna purport like this.

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>>382063870
Iron keep and shrine of amana were such a fucking chore.
No enemy is particularly difficult but there are so many that its fucking boring trying to get through.

>>382064160
I'm honestly really disappointed that DaS2/3 completely dropped Frampt/Kaathe.

I figured given their position in the world, knowing Lord Gwyn and shit and having connections with the kiln, and the general lack of any backstory they had anyway that they would feature more predominantly in the sequels. But From pretty much dropped any semblance of greater beings beyond the Lord souls which they kept bringing back and aside from the weird statues in DaS3 I don't think we ever heard from them again?

Hell, even the DaS1 DLC tried to delve deeper into what the serpents were doing, telling the oolacile people to wake up Manus and fuck everyone up. Where the fuck did these themes of thrones even come from?

>Demon's Souls
Kill the king, he's a shit.
>Dark Souls
Kill the king, steal his bonfire.
>Dark Souls 2
Kill the king, steal his crown.
>Dark Souls 3
Kill everything, then shit the bed.

>>382064440
>soul science
Seath did it.
>the abyss as a further antagonist
What is Artorias of the Abyss?
>how to break the cycle
Except 2 never told you how to do so and even implied that it was outright impossible to break the cycle.

>>382064545
>but, but, but...
you're not gonna invalidate DS2 bro, From already did that for you, but you don't have to pretend it was a smart choice.

>>382064440

>how to break the cycle

Not explained at ALL other than Vendrick's magic hat

>soul science

That you never get to use

>the abyss as a further antagonist

Artorias of the Abyss dealt with this just fucking fine

>>382057591
Bloodborne has the DEEPEST LORE, but it won't make much sense unless you're willing to not take everything at face value and know your Lovecraft.

>>382064440

>soul science
>the abyss as a further antagonist

>Duke's Archives
>Artorias of the Abyss

>>382064651
Soul Science doesn't matter if you get to use it, Aldia's Keep and dialogue with Aldia and the lore about the Giants and the eternal dragons itself is a heaping-ton of exposition on top of what DS1 meagerly offered.

>>382064650
You haven't refuted my points at all.

>>382064714

>know your Lovecraft

Is the main antagonist a colour from space?

>>382064527
King Allant did nothing wrong

>>382064739
there is nothing in the Duke's Archives that really goes into it as much as the Emerald Herald and Dragon Aerie or Aldia go into.
>>382064795
You didn't make any points.

>>382054062
What you're looking for is found in item descriptions and NPC dialogue.

>>382064806
That's actually not too far off.

>>382064775

I'll admit I quite like the soul alchemy in it. Wasn't enough for me, though, and Aldia ended up being an angry hedge that I had to fuck up for no reason.

My biggest question is Where does Gael fit into all of this? Hes the final boss of the entire series so surely hes important right?

>>382064904

I wish I could play Bloodborne. Don't have a PS4 though.

>>382064806
>Is the main antagonist a colour from space?
Missed opportunities
>>382064881
Your the one saying that 2 brought up the concept of "breaking the cycle" and I'm here saying that 2 implied nothing of the sort.

so what happens at the very end? You make a painting, and escape into that?

>>382065015
DS2 did, but if you didn't listen to Aldia or the story about him and Vendrick then that's on you.

The problem with 2 was that it should have just been a different name. It works on its own but not as a sequel as it has nearly nothing to do with the first game outside of vague connections and themes. Its world design is also utter garbage.

>>382065078

I think he means that they didn't actually say anything worthwhile. Like..how would they break the cycle?

>>382065029
Kind of, the problem is that the painting is subjected to its own cycles since it turns out that a Decaying Dark Soul tends to do fucked up things.
>>382065078
>Young Hollow, there are but two paths. Inherit the order of this world, or destroy it.

>>382065168
you're literally quoting the exposition that DS2 provides, and that DS1 does not. There's more there to read too. Just because a way to stop the cycle wasn't discovered, it was enacted in the lore that is presented in the game, how they went about it is even known to us. How they failed is just as a great addition as how they may have succeeded if they did.

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>>382064321
>Story shows that multiple kingdoms just like Gwyn's have fallen because of the cycle.

>No matter how hard one single heir tries to find the secrets of the cycle and escape it, they will eventually either die, or go hollow and roam endlessly without knowing why.

>Vendrick and Aldia, who apparently became literal geniuses after dying, discover a correlation that is the root cause of why resisting the cycle is so futile; that the stronger the flame is, the darker the shadow cast by it

>The only way to extend and/or balance the cycle is to, 'inherit fire, and harness the dark' implying that a balance between the two is the one true answer

>more of the same

>>382065291
Its kind of weird reading this. I feel as if all three games had a different perspective of how to view the themes of the series.

>>382065472
>it was enacted in the lore that is presented in the game, how they went about it is even known to us.
???

>>382065712
I'd be glad to explain if you told me what here confused you.

>>382065015
>2 implied nothing of the sort.

>Literally all of Aldia and Vendrick's DLC dialogue is about breaking the cycle

>>382065774
How exactly do the crowns cure hollowing?
What is the mechanism behind that? It kind of felt just thrown in and entirely out of place with how hollowing is established to work.
>>382065820
About their failure to do so more like.

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>>382064951
The regular over world got fucked, so some dudes made a magic painting that people can live in. But that painting world gets fucked just like the over world. So a little girl in the painting plans to paint another world inside the painting to retreat to, and tasks Gael to find the "dark soul" which is basically the essence of humanity, or human souls, because it is needed for the new painting.

That's the super basic version of it, but I've never understood DS lore that well anyway, so it could be wrong.

>>382057278
This is probably mostly bait, but I do think the Souls series storytelling was never meant to stand up to the Youtube Vaiitifag industry that sprung up around it, resulting in the mess of DS3s story when they tried to compensate/please that community

>>382065889
>About their failure to do so more like

Let's not move goalposts. You said it was never implied. I showed why it was outright 'stated'.

>>382065889
The cycle was hoped to be stopped by creating an eternal dragon that could keep the flame going forever, we see their attempts in Aldia's Keep, we see the Emerald Herald who herself is a dragon, and we hear that it failed and did not work.

The crowns weren't their goal.

>>382065893
The painting is a microcosm to the outside world's Macrocosm.
Also, the painting is somewhat representative of an Age of Dark, if that makes any sense.
>>382066012
>We failed to break the cycle and I don't see any way we could ever hope to do so
>There is a way to break the cycle

>>382066035
And I get that and I even like that bit of lore from 2, but HOW do the crowns work is what I'm asking.

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>mfw farming Proofs, Medals, and Shackles

This is the real complaint, good god is the drop rate impossibly low for something you need 30 of a piece

>>382065161
It's at the end of Dark Souls 2's Aldia ending when you walk away from the Throne of Want, but it's only shown how in Dark Souls 3 with the Lord of Hollows ending.

You take the flame into your own body and carry it with you, lighting everything in your path and ultimately being free of the cycle for an indeterminate amount of time.

>>382066321
The Usruption of Fire and the Breaking of the Cycle isn't a good ending. That's the point of the Dlc that everybody misses.

>>382066239
why are you asking me?

>>382066556
Wrong person? My bad.

>>382066484
None of them are 100 percent good, you pick your poison

>>382066239
>And I get that and I even like that bit of lore from 2, but HOW do the crowns work is what I'm asking.


The crowns apparently allow Vendrick to recall the ideas and revelations of the fallen lords that wore them, and then he relays that information to you. Obtaining the 'special' crown from getting them all stops hollowing, which is crucial for stopping Bearer of the Curse from losing those vital revelations.

>>382054062
I just didn't play the game. If you don't want to include a standard element in your game, cool. To each their own. But keep that shit far away from me.

>>382065625

>The only way to extend and/or balance the cycle is to, 'inherit fire, and harness the dark' implying that a balance between the two is the one true answer

OH WOW COOL. I guess you do that at the end, then and - oh wait, no..you either stay or fuck off, just like in DS1

what is an unkindled one?

>>382066841
The ending with the Firekeeper at least allows for the potential of another world being there for another group of fuckups.

The Painted World of Ariandel Shows what exactly will happen if an Age of Dark is allowed to happen for too long, and that not getting into the fact that Londor is basically North Korea ruled over by Darkwraiths.

>>382067092
You see, that's my problem with 2. This whole thing with the Crowns is a direct contradiction to how hollowing is established to work.

>tfw DaS2 had some really cool ideas but the execution was terrible
>tfw DaS3 pretty much ignored all of it in favor of wanking off DaS1

>>382054062
Why do souls games try to hide the framerate?

>>382067329
A undead that failed to link the fire that is brought back by the ringing of the bells.
Their humanity is "shackled" to their being; they don't hollow, but they are effectively prisoners to the fire.

>Demon's Souls
The Soul: Good or Evil
>Dark Souls
The Rise and Fall of Fire
>Dark Souls 2
Curse
>Dark Souls 3
The Rise and Fall of Fire
>Bloodborne
Blood, evolution, subconscious

Is It Right for You?

>>382067454
>This whole thing with the Crowns is a direct contradiction to how hollowing is established to work.

That's what makes them SPECIAL

Obligatory.

Shit-Ass Dead Dude... Know'st thou of Hell Fuck Castle, high in the mountains...? (laughter) It was once the domain of King Big Sad Guy, who did the Flame Thing.. Legend tells of the castle's steward, the great and terrible HorseDog, but who is to say if it still roams the halls... (solid minute of laughter) Oh, how silly of me; but of course, a new arrival in Drangranthric wouldst know not such tales... One such as thee... wouldst be better suited to sharpen the blades of the dreaded wraith of Why'd They Put Anorher FUCKIN SWAMP LEVEL Marsh..... Armor Type of Dude. That is... ifst thoust canst livest thatst longst... (five minutes of laughter; unskippable)

>>382054535
Kys retard.

>>382055795
3 is worse than 2. Only the optic and overall-design is better.

>>382067841
touched a nerve, huh?

>>382067712
>That's what makes them SPECIAL
If your going to introduce something that flies in the face of all of the previously established lore, you need to explain it properly.

For example, Unkindled don't hollow like normal undead. This is a contradiction of how hollowing is established to work, but the actual mechanism of why they don't hollow is explain and appears throughout the game and plays a major role in one of the endings.

The Crowns, by contrast, are just kind of there.

>>382067738

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0nGWUPLjcft

>>382054062
>"'""""'"'"'"story'"'"'"""""

>>382055795
>ok, so how bad is this game?
Its not.
Ignore everyone here and come to your own conclusions.

>>382055795
>if i just want some fun builds and dont expect much, what am i in for?

Literal hell. Good spells and miracles come very late, damage is low. Pyromancy is good but requires insane investment.

Physical with quality or with mono str/dex is the superior way of playing the game.

>Vendrick spends his life searching for a way to stop the hollowing
>goes hollow
>some shit-ass dead dude does nothing to further that research, just takes some magic hats
>suddenly never hollows

Literal shit. Also, if he is never going to hollow, he is literally immortal now, making DS1 and 3 pointless.

>defending DS2

They put bird-people and manscorpions in their game. They obviously don't give half a fuck about "lore".

>>382068657
Never mind the hole giants, which are apparently unrelated to all of the other giants in the series.

>Aldia is Vendrick's older brother

Then why wasn't he king?

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>>382067996
>If your going to introduce something that flies in the face of all of the previously established lore, you need to explain it properly.
>The Crowns, by contrast, are just kind of there.

Not sure what needs explaining. The effect is limited to the crown itself and you yourself are still very much an undead. Also I think your assuming how it works in gameplay is indicative of how it works in the story. It's most likely not.

But it's the first step to altering his being and it shows a lot of progress to be able to delay hollowing.

If you really want to talk about an overpowered item, how about the ashen mist heart. You can endlessly enter memories of dead rulers and gain their knowledge. It gives you infinite fucking knowledge.

>>382068482
Vendrick wasn't looking for a way to stop hollowing.

If you're going to strawman the story at least get the first sentence right.

>>382068657
>They put bird-people and manscorpions in their game.

Pretty sure 'bird-people' are in every game in the series... They're from painted worlds.

The manscorpion was an experiment made by Aldia, as are most of the Great Ones in the base game.

>>382060231
Well DaS3 did use elements from Bloodborne such as transforming bosses and some others.

>>382054062
That's represent true "Role Play".
You have to find all clue and NPC by yourself and fill in the missing info by your imagination.

>>382069085
Nothing to be king of. Drangleic wasn't even built until Vendrick and Nashandra came back from their assault on the giants.

>>382069829
>until Vendrick and Nashandra came back from their assault on the giants.
Dick move, btw.

>>382069587
>It gives you infinite fucking knowledge.
Hardly. Its really powerful yeah, but you're still limited in that you can only get knowledge that someone actually knew at some point

It will spoil the surprise if they explained every single detail thoroughly.
Beside, in DaS1 either frampt or kaathe intentionally hide the detail in order to manipulate your action so it is natural that you can get whole picture at first glance.

>>382070314
This so much.
Its suppose to be a surprise when you set yourself on fire after all.

Why player can learn the truth from those items?
Does he have ability to read memory within souls?

I know From didn't intend to but it was wise decision to scrap their first plot that Oscar become anti-hero and explain everything in the end.

Demon's souls was crystal fuckin clear with its story and look what happened. Nobody fucking bought it and even today everyone shits on it because they think it's easy and has gimmicky bosses.

I miss DeS.

>>382054062
Some of it is the legit mystery and open-ended world building, the rest is just laziness that people are willing to defend.

The biggest bullshit is where they build up characters and places and then never do anything with them. This goes for both npcs and lore only characters. Dark Souls 3 is the worst for this and it absolutely needed one more DLC to complete the story.

Plot points either disregarded or teased and never expanded on
>Londor
>Kaathe
>The third sister of the Sable Trio
>Basically every ending relating to the Sable Trio
>Velka (still!)
>All the Firelink NPCs that don't even have quests to finish
>Filianore
>Basically everything important from DS2 except Alsanna
Aside from Filianore basically everything should have been in a Londor DLC.

>>382058163
The basic story should not be hard to grasp, it's the details that are missing.

>>382055795
If you˙re not prone to flipping your shit over lore details or comparing the game to previous entries you will have a lot of fun. Most people did, I didn´t as much, but I also make 9 characters so I´m probably just fatigued. Don´t listen to fags like >>382068165 magic is as busted as ever, and probably the most fun in the series so far. If you have to rely on "optimal" builds to enjoy or be good at the game, you´re playing it wrong and also suck shit at it. Make your own build, try out new weapons, play dress up, role play, invade, do co-op, have fun. I honestly believe try hards hurt the franchise more than "prepare to die"

>>382067974
Not really. Only things 2 did better than 3 is the viable build variety and the PvP.

>>382071019
Yeah that was for the best.
Although, I wonder what their original plan for the painted world was. It was the first level they made right?
>>382071501
>Nobody fucking bought it and even today everyone shits on it because they think it's easy and has gimmicky

>>382071501
>Nobody fucking bought it and even today everyone shits on it because they think it's easy and has gimmicky bosses.
First time I heard people around here hate Demon Souls.
Also easy bosses? Like False King Allant, Flamelurker, and Maneaters?

>>382071598
>Velka (still!)
She was never going to be elaborated on and you should have fucking knew better.
Otherwise, the rest are somewhat valid points. Although, the third sister isn't really that important in the grand scheme of things and Kaathe is dead by the time of 3.

>>382059553
I think that finding flavors of story on equipment and items throughout areas and in specific locations as well as actually being able to use such equipment and items grants a far more telling and engaging story than, Samus scans thing, reads short diary entry.

DeS: Explained everything clear enough.
DaS1: You have to gather the info by yourself but the truth is simple enough to understand.
DaS2: Completely irrational.
DaS3: Hard to get the story if you didn't play DaS1.

>>382071829
>kathe is dead
?

>>382072221
Japanese dialogue has Yuria talk about Kaathe's "dying wish".

Also there is a painting in Ariandel depicting two dead snakes. I can't find it at the moment.

If you can't DeS and DaS then you might have Autism.
DaS 2 and 3 need more explanation indeed.

>>382071829
First off, I'm not the one speaking on easiness- that said, I'll play devil's advocate and give you some explanations. Keep in mind though that DeS is still my favorite, but i understand people's complaints:

1) most of the game can be trivialized if you played Dark Souls first, which at this point, most players did. DeS did not sells many copies, so only a few retards like me who bought a PS3 and wanted to play JRPGs actually played it at the time.

2) Maneaters and flamelurker are completely busted with either magic or weapon upgrades. Flamelurker is also easy to glitch into the bones and rocks and whatnot.

3) Those are 3 bosses in a sea of "gimmicks" like Old Hero, Dragon God, Storm King, Fool's Idol, Old Monk, Maiden Astraea, and more. There a very few straight tests of your reflexes and enemy attack recognition. And out of the few that are, they have simple sweeping attacking or lunges that are easily dodged.
There is never a boss like Champion Gundyr that requires a delayed roll or a boss like Matyr Logarious that nessesitates parrying. Attacks come a mile away.

Even the Tower Knight is like a bitch version of the boss in Sen's Fortress. He's easy as fuck to dodge with his slow, lumbering swipes.

>>382054062
Because the story doesn't matter.

That is the whole point, none of this matters.
What's happening now is not anything special, it's just what has always been.

It's kind of beautiful in that way, a kind of certainty that only fate can provide.

>>382073015
Well that much is true.
In DS3 Ashen One even have choice to ignore those power struggle between Gods and mortals and steal the First Flame all by his own sake.

>>382073564
>In DS3 Ashen One even have choice to ignore those power struggle between Gods and mortals and steal the First Flame all by his own sake.
Except that just the latest move in that power struggle.
Unless your talking about the alternative firekeeper ending.

>DeS
>A strange mist showed up and brought demons. The demons at people's souls or something. You go and stop the demons and lull the OG demon that brought this all about back to sleep.
>Story is presented clearly through dialogue and cut scenes.

>DaS I
>People were like mole people crawling around in the dark. Someone discovers fire. The people rise up and overthrow the dragons that were oppressing everyone. Somehow people start going hollow. All the hollows get imprisoned. A prophecy about a hollow escaping prison is there or something. Some guy breaks you out of prison because reasons. You go and ring bells because some depressed blue guy tells you to. Then a snake tells you to go and murder some stuff. Then you fight the guy who lead the revolt against the dragons because he's still around.
>Story is pretty convoluted outside of the opening cutscene. You really have no idea why you're doing anything unless you read every item you get and draw your own conclusions.

>DaS II
>You decide to go and jump in a whirlpool because an old lady told you to. Then an Irish girl tells you to go and see the king for no reasons. Then you have to kill 4 super powerful dudes because it's easier than climbing over 3 foot high rubble. Then you go and see the king but he isn't home. Then you decide to wander around a bit and you stumble across the king who is 12 feet tall and a zombie. Then you wander around a bit and then the Irish lady tells you to go see this huge dragon. Then the dragon makes you a time traveller. Then giants????? Then the queen turns out to be evil. The end.
>No backstory at all. No real story in the game. Read item descriptions for fun or something.

>BB
>Ayy
>La
>Ma
>Yo

>DaS III
>See DaS I but remove the first half of the game.

>>382054062
They don't. You just need to be able to see it.

>>382054062
imagining is fun. Literally Miyazaki has explained this. When he was a kid he didn't English so good, so when he was reading it he would have to fill in his own gaps and he enjoyed that. But even if there were concrete answers to the story of the game, it would still suck if it was just directly stated in book form. The mysteriousness of it makes it more interesting

>>382073672
Of course I'm referring that 4th ending.
It doesn't even have Trophy or Achievement,
I appreciate From provide choice for player to completely fuck up that world to satisfy the pure curiosity.

>>382054062
Read the item descriptions and pay closer attention retard.

Because story is unimportant.

>>382054062
That's what they pay Vaati for

>>382073698
Come on give BB a little more credit

>There's a bunch of caves. People find a bunch of super mutants walking around in them. They find an alien god at the bottom. The people there assume they can be gods too for some reason. They start setting up a school where they study the mutants and the alien god and it's blood. Turns out the alien blood can cure literally anything with the small side effect of causing the users to degrade into beasts. They hire hunters to kill all the experiments that degrade. They deduce that to become gods they need eyes inside their brains. But can't really figure out how. They see a fishing village over there where the people worship another alien god and they kill them and start drilling holes inside their brain looking for eyes. The villagers curse the scholars for this.

>Laurence and Willem disagree about what to do with the alien blood. Willem says it's too dangerous and they should concentrate on building insight. Laurence says you need both insight and the alien blood to ascend. They split and Laurence establishes his church to do a bunch more experiments: including passing the alien blood out to the townspeople while selling it as a miracle cure so he'll have a neverending supply of people to experiment with.

>Bad fucking idea. Laurence actually ends up contacting super alien god that causes beasthood to break out en mass. There's so many beasts that the hunters can't keep up, forcing them to use the alien blood to heal themselves turn them into beasts as well. The hunter boss disappeared into nowhere along with Laurence, the church is forced to close its doors. Micolash took his buddies and made his own school, deciding if people can't ascend up then he'll just call alien gods down instead.

>And you who just wanted to cure your sickness just walked in on all this and you're not allowed to leave until you complete super alien god's contract with you.