"Hard" games (or DLCs) whose difficulty has been

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>>382053114
Bloodborne.

I platinumed it in 10 days, went in and blind, never having played a Souls game before.

Millennials concept of a hardcore game.

I'm gonna say dark souls since this is obviously a thread where we try to out-contrarian everyone else

>>382053334
Elaborate why Dark Souls isn't that hard for you?

>>382053292
Any game whose platinum trophy isn't in the ultra rare category with less than 2% is automatically considered not difficult.

Platinuming Bloodborne is not at all an achievement.

>>382053114
Shovel Knight. I heard from alot of people that it's very hard. I died quite a few times but it's not as hard as people told me it was. One of the first items you get is a invulnerability move for fucks sake.

>>382053580
Dark Souls, and generally most souls games become extremely easy once beaten it once.

>>382053114
BOTW

Cho Aniki

>>382053114
Monster Hunter is not that hard. There, I said it. It's fun, but it's not that difficult, some people are just idiots.

>>382053334
Why aren't you doing that, then?

>>382053897
Does that mean that the initial difficulty comes from inexperience with the mechanics and knowledge of your enemies' positions rather rather than the gameplay itself?

Dark souls

When this game came out I heard a lot of people say that this game brought back the difficulty of old school games.

While it is a difficult game it's not THAT hard, at least its not hard at all once you realize the insane amount of iframes you get.

What's the difference between real difficulty and fake difficulty?

>>382053114
Dead Money
Hard no
Shitty yes

>>382053114
Bloodborne. The opening felt absolutely brutal with going up that first road, Gascoigne and Amelia. But I don't think I properly struggled on anything after that until Old Hunters.

>>382053114
>go in with 100 energy weapons skill
>holorifle is shit
>pick up melee weapon with base skill
>wreck the shit out of everyone
Ok

>>382054564
It becomes brain dead easy once you realize that crippling a limb insta kills the suits. The bear trap gauntlet is op.

>>382054393
Real difficulty requires skills to overcome.A good player will do well on his first try, a bad player will never do well even on his 10th playthrough.

Fake difficulty requires reload knowledge (unforseeable death like a trap, but easy to avoid after), fighting your boredom (redoing the same boring stage over and over just to get another shot at the boss), pure luck in RNG, and so on.
A good player and a bad player will both get punished the same, and once you played through the game and know the bullshit parts it's easy even if you suck. Or, getting good at the game won't matter much because it's just RNG anyway.

>>382054393
real difficulty only stop being difficult once you master it

fake difficulty stop being difficult once you die to it

shovel knight hard mode will be hard until you master the game. Getting backstabbed by a hidden enemy in a souls game stops being hard once you die and know the enemy is there

>>382054928
Hell, after getting advice from God and with 50 skillpoints of energy weapons I can one shot ghosts easily.

>>382054830
Casual filter.

Demon's Souls

>>382054393

real difficulty: reaching grand master in overwatch

fake difficulty: beating soulsborne bosses using stunlocking combos, manipulation of terrible hitboxes and r1 spam

>>382055154
Even then you still have the speakers and the Cloud, but you need to be mentally retarded for those to bother you after the first few encounters.

Dark Souls.

The game isn't 'hard', so much as it is tedious. The extreme damages of boss attacks means you'll likely die or at least take significant damage every time the boss uses an attack you haven't seen before.
The game is less a mechanical skill so much as a punish you extremely for learning. If one were to watch a youtube video of each fight before attempting it they should be able to clear the entire game with zero difficulty beyond learning the shitty PC control port if applicable.

>>382053114
>First time playing Dead Money
>Legit thought the ghost people were unkilliable unless you were with dog
>Playing it was an agony because i thought you had to sneak every time
>Second time playing it
>Realize a guns build or even melee can wreck their shit easily
>Didn't even need vending machines
To be honest it kinda broke the immersion with how easy it was.

>>382055839
I got the immersion back by the fact that the air was slowly killing me.

>>382055541
is this real bait or are you really retarded

>>382053114
Being an asshole to Christine and Dog because of my evil run was harder than I thought it'd be.

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>Contra
>Demon's Souls
>Dark Souls
>Monster Hunter
>God Hand
>Super Mario Sunshine
>Bayonetta
>Ninja Gaiden (2004)
>SMT Nocturne
>Catherine
>Breath of the Wild
>Guacamelee
>every Touhou game
>Kirby's True Arenas
>Wind Waker/Twilight Princess/Skyward Sword Hero Mode

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>>382056371
>scaring Christine into the elevator via Terrifying Presence
never ever again

Did people think Dead Money was difficult?

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Post some HARD games

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>>382056659
>He never got to G-rank

minecraft hardcore mode

>>382056924
I just threatened her with sending her back to the autodoc if she didn't cooperate.
I know I've just sealed my fate with her.
Hell, I think all of them are going to kill me.
>Sent God to the cage
>Called Dog a retard
>Outsmarted Dean
>Threatened Christine

>>382056974
Judging by the complaints I've seen in /v/, yes.

>>382056974
I thought it was a pain in the ass.

>>382057505
Maybe it's because my character was just a wall of muscles but that shit was a cakewalk like the rest of the game. Played of hard

>>382057201
>implying the hardest fights aren't the walls you hit while you're new at the game

>>382057641
on*

>>382057641
I've been playing it level 30 with a Courier specialized in Guns and with a mild mastery over energy weapons and so far I'm not having that much trouble.

>>382057424
how could you do any of those things to them

except calling dog a retard, he's an animal that needs to be slain

>>382053114
/v/ think NV is hard, except it seems like everyone saying that has one or more companions in their play through.

>>382053114
Dark Souls easily, not sure why people think it's hard at all. It's like any game, learn the controls and the moveset of whatever weapon you're using and you'll hardly ever die.

>>382057641
Why play on hard? Some of the enemies are damage sponges already.

>>382057751
My Courier is bitch in a city where everything is trying to kill her and has been enslaved with an explosive collar that brings her memories to her first meeting with the BoS. She's in a pretty bad mood.

>>382057882
Because I was already 1-shotting everything on normal.

>>382053292
>7%
kek

>>382054393
Fake is enemies taking more damage with increased difficulty or getting knocked off ledges and dying, like NES Castlevanias.

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>>382057751
Dean is also a huge dick who deserves everything wrong that happens to him.

>>382056974
It wasn't difficult in the sense that "oh shit I won't be able to finish this". It was difficult in the sense that you can just try something that killed you once more, but it's just annoying and takes most of the fun away

>>382057862
Mostly because DS is more of a "look both ways before crossing the street game", but dumbdumbs go running right into traffic anyway and get smushed.

>>382057815
*isn't hard

>>382053870
>shovel knight
>very hard
What. I bought it on release and had no issues with anything, it's the easiest platformer I've beaten for sure. I remember one of the jumping puzzles was ripped right from Mega Man 2, except it was only half of it and not even the hard part.

>>382055541
>overwatch
>difficult
Souls games arent difficult but Overwatch is even less so.

>>382053114
Not a game, but fucking OoT Water Temple.

>>382053114
completely agree with the OP. DIfficulty felt forced as fuck

>>382057882
You should play on hard pre lv40. After that normal or easy is better.

>>382058273
I guess youre right. I usually just run past the easy shit straight to NV and to make money.

>>382054393
Fake is shit like IWBTG, where it simply isn't possible to beat it without knowing whats coming. Its not about adapting and reacting, its about losing and then memorizing

>>382058073
Pretty much, but after it happens once or twice they should learn to take it a bit slower. It might've helped that I learnt that lesson in Demon's Souls first, but I only played a half hour at a mate's house, I didn't own it or anything. PS4/PC remaster/port never

>>382058431
My first play through I snuck past the deathclaws and made it to NV at like level 5. I got seen a lot and used the terrain to make sure they couldn't get to me, there was lots of dying and running from safe zone to safe zone. Not sure why I was being so autistic. It was nice to finally go back and explore the bottom of the map though. I went through the map backwards, being too scared of the deathclaws to go back the way I came and too autistic to fast travel.

>chatting christine with lady killer on
>god that silent hanholding scene
almost made a lesbian fall to the dick

>>382054048
Generally, yes

>>382054928
>holorifle is shit

it's pretty much the best energy weapon in the game anon, it's absurd

>>382058037
>All you had to do was say the equivalent of "Sure, whatever you say buddy" in terms of dialog
How can people feel insulted or outsmarted or something like that by that conversation? The guys was fucking nuts, obsessing over 200 year old gold. Just playing along with him makes things easier.

>>382058923
Yeah. It only sucks at first because of how fucked up it is. After you get the repair kits schematic at the police station and fix the rifle it becomes much more effective.

>>382058960
200 year old gold which is still very, very valuable.
Which is why I cheated to get it all out of the vault :^)

>>382058960
I'm guessing it's related to the fact that for the first and last time in the game, a speech challenge actually does more harm than good.
He's still a piece of shit; you really shouldn't feel bad when you put a cap in him.

>>382059103
>Item so expensive you literally have to sell it at a loss because no vendor has that many caps with them
Yeah, good luck finding a use for that.

>>382059278
Trade it you absolute mong. It's just like bullets to a melee character, just another form of caps. You buy like 30 stimpaks and use gold/bullets to pay for them

>>382059191
It makes it easier when you find it in the sierra madre. Basically his entire fight is skipped and he helps you get past the holograms.

>>382059278
it's still a nice little memento to keep around in your home

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>>382057118
>Walk into second village
>About an hour of playtime
>See a cave
>The monsters in the cave kill me effortlessly
>Havent saved
>Back to start

Later
>Grinding on some monsters
>See a mansion
>See a swamp
>Try and enter swamp
>Die in a cutscene
>2 hours of grinding gone

>Be grinding much later on
>Walk too far north on the overworld
>Up against 4 enemies each stronger than a boss
>Flee "You can't escape!"
>Flee "You can't escape!"
>Flee "You can't escape!"
>Lose 3 hours of grinding

and thats not even taking into account the fucking saving system

Fuck this fucking game

>>382059278
There are shit tons of vendor that have 6000+ caps tho. Even in DM there are several store with 2500 pre war money.

>>382059452
You can still trick him into revealing how to get past the holograms.

>>382059494
Actually fuck I think it was 3 enemies because for some reason there were only ever 3 enemies
except for one time I recall where there were 5

>>382059494
kek how do you save?
I've only played X and XV,
t.casual

>>382059494
i played that game when I was a kid and even then i knew the grinding was unreal especially for the final dungeon. and I still like the game for some reason

>>382057201
>G-rank
>hard
I bet you think Rajang is impossible too.

>>382053114
Basically every NES game people hype up. Battletoads is not extraordinarily difficult. You should be able to learn to beat Contra in an afternoon, or a day at most. Once you learn the troll deaths Lost Levels is completely manageable.

I think people overshoot the difficulty partially because "Battletoads is super hard" is a meme at this point, and partially because they played the game when they were a 11 year old shitter and it kicked their ass.

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The game itself is tedious as fuck but all that difficulty comes from trial and error, as with Soulsborne games.

IWBTG is basically just trying to repeat something that someone else did as close as possible. It's a training routine.

A really hard game by comparison would be Ninja Gaiden because you can't rely on memory to go through it like you can with IWBTG or most of soulsborne games.

>>382059750
The only way to save is to be on the overworld. which means that you can't save before a boss or even before the final boss (Which in addition to being like 6 bosses in a row, also has a total RNG kill the entire party attack). So the safest way after thinking you are nearing the end of a dungeon would be to instantly leave and save on the overworld, and then go through the entire dungeon again.

I recall there being one dungeon that you couldn't leave until you defeated the boss either. a really fucking long dungeon too.

Fucking tree

Dark Souls is just considered hard by today's standards. Most game nowadays do everything they can to keep players' hands on the controllers because money so they're gonna cater more to progression and not dying.

God of War and Ninja Gayden did the same shit, just fun because it's an actual challenge rather than a constant playable cutscene

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>>382059919
>He thinks G-rank is easy
This shit is 'how to recognize someone hasn't made it to G-rank 101'

>>382058037
stop that

you're business partners

and business partners have healthy banter between each other every once in a while, don't be sensitive!

>>382060675
Nigger, by G-rank you shouldn't even be getting hit. Why do you think people make sets that require low health or not taking damage for max damage/evasion/crits?

>>382054928
>best mid range sniper rifle
>shit

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>>382060675
>>382060925
g rank is just damage sponge mode
very few monsters get new moves by that point and all elder dragons are dealt with the same way

>>382060770
He sure was good business partners with Sinclair.

>>382060925
>By the time you're in G-rank, you should already be good at the game!
Which makes G-rank no less difficult you imbecile. Hand a low-rank player G-rank and see how they do. Will it be easy for them?

Nioh. Living weapon is too op and only 2 bosses were challenging or atlesst made me switch my playstyle.

>>382061227
You have to unlock G-rank by progressing through quests, so that was retarded. It's not like other games where you can select any mode off the bat.

>>382061207
Sinclair was a bad man who thought he was better than Dean, he got what was coming to him!

>>382053114
Cave Story
It's one of the easiest games I've ever played (not to say it's bad, I love the game). I'm convinced people who say it's hard have never played the game, just other pixel indies that ARE hard and are trying to talk about Cave Story to sound cool.

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>>382061227
>if you throw a beginner into late-game stuff, they'll die
>this proves how hard this mode is
By that logic, every video game ever made is super difficult because at any moment you can hand the controller to your 2-year-old brother and he won't be able to beat it.

>>382061580
b-b-but the final boss of the best ending means the whole game is hard...

>>382061572
Dead, stop posting and go somewhere safe before the ghosts find you.

>>382061585
Not that anon, but difficulty should be presentable by two people, both knowing how to play the game, while the other one is worse than the other. You can be good at the game, but the difficulty still boils down to which one has the higher IQ, if you understand where I'm getting at.

What's the dumbest way you've ever been stuck in a game?

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>>382063105
When I was a kid, I thought the wooden plank you have to walk up was a bridge attached to the ledge above. I didn't finish the game till like 10 years later.

>>382053292
>the platinumed bloodborne in 10 days guy.
Do you really have nothing better to do with your life?

>>382063380

i was also stuck on this for awhile. the fucking pre-rendered backgrounds were tricky sometimes.

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>>382063380
>>382063501
please tell me this is a joke

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>>382053114
>Infinite Range Warp/Rescue
>All of the units with good personal weapons
>Ridiculous Sage Promotion gains give you a handful of incredible Magic Users
>Capture is really powerful in general
It's definitely tough if you aren't prepared, but there's a lot of ways to nearly break the game.

>>382063616

nope. I was also 7 though.

>>382063616
I was like 8 my dude. And possibly retarded.

Kill Dog, God or mix them?

>>382053292
I love this guy