if voice actors can unionized and go on strike, does that

>>382045293
>copy paste devs deserve more money

xd

>$450 million is somehow not enough.

>13.5 million dollars to say "enemies top floor!" "Blyat!" "Ramirez"!

Yeah fuck off

>hurrr i deserve more money for growling into a microphone
is there a group of people more entitled and economically illiterate than vidya VAs? fucking bernie bros are more tolerable than these """people"""

>>382045293
Salaries aren't based on percentage of sale. These are meaningless statistics.

Devs actually matter and their working conditions are actually fucking awful a lot of the time, but their field is so saturated that a strike isn't really possible. If they went on strike they'd be replaced in an hour tops.

>>382045491>>382045564
>>382045626


Should I explain in detail why you are a cuck?

I don't know shit about company economics. All the devs and voice actors and so on are salaried, so who gets the money if a game sells shitloads and makes tons of profit? Do they just invest it into the next game?

If the Game Developers unionized, then how the fuck are the Publishers supposed to trust them to deliver a quality-product.

>>382045293
Is this an edit?

>>382045813
>ad hominem

>>382045564
Fuck I meant 4.5 million, dunno how that happened

The reason COD makes that much money is the multiplayer, which has minimal VA. Stupid strawman argument

>>382045293
All these games would only be marginally less enjoyable without the voice actors.

Nobody is forcing them to do this job.

>>382045813
go ahead, give it a try

>>382045626
>>382045564
>>382045457
fucking faggots get off from sucking your corporate lords cock you morons

>>382045293
These people, the voice actors make more than this.

They goto comic cons, gaming conventions etc.

I think the VAs should be ashamed of themselves.

>>382045626
Hell, Yeardley Smith makes 300-400k per episode and all she does is Lisa's voice.

>>382045491
>>382045564
>>382045937
Now spread that money across hundreds of performers over the spam of 15 years

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>>382045293
More than they deserve honestly.
I really can't think of a game series that needs voice actors to work. There's some voice actors that really bring a lot of charm that wouldn't be there otherwise (Charles Martinet is a great example of this, a mute Mario wouldn't be as interesting), but no game series needs voice actors to work.

>>382045293
>preformers go on strike

>hire new voice actors for cheaper


wow, really showed them

>>382045293
How much did the devs themselves get?

>>382046014
speaking is not a skill. VAs are lucky they get paid at all.

>>382045686
Obviously. The argument seems to be that they shouldn't make salary but something proportional.
Don't screen actors often try to negotiate for a percentage of gross earnings?

>>382046202
Then you do some VA

>>382045293
Their performance is around 0.005% of the reason it's successful so it really seems they're getting overpaid.

>>382046147
Since VAs include all the shitty bit parts, it will take a VA on average 10 hours to record all their voicework
Let's highball it and say there's 500 VAs
That's 9000 bucks per VA, so an hourly wage of $900

>>382046248
The named stars; often only 1 per movie if any.

Janitor #3 wouldn't.

Imagine talking to mic? It must be a horrible labor!

tell you what, industry. I will do mediocre voice work for 20/hr. The quality in-game doesnt change and you save a bunch of cash. deal?

>>382046154
exactly what this meme strike has accomplished. newer and fresher faces are now providing their voices instead of talentless hacks like tr*y baker and l*ura bailey. turns out, when all you need for your job are working vocal cords, you can be easily replaced.

>>382046014
>Jewish unions or Jewish corps
Might as well watch both get fucked in seperate occasions
>>382045293
Depends.
Half of the roles are expendable, VA benefit from both the novelty generations back and the "cinematic" push

>>382046506
I think the BotW VAs undercut you.

>>382045293
>Performers
Who buys a video game because X voice actor is in it?

>>382045293
How about instead of unions, people with passions go back to making games in their basement and get away from this huge budgets crap that need to rely on publisher money to make anything?

>>382046526
>*
>*
...??????

>>382046623
Literally no one

These babbies would never be able to work a Nip VA schedule

>all these talentless contrarians who don't appreciate good VA
VA is crucial for immersion. GTA V would have flopped if it had shitty Oblivion style bland acting.
For every moment you don't spend thinking about the acting being off but rather the line itself, you have VAs and directors to thank.

>>382046623
Troy Baker's mom

>>382045293
>devs
>ever going unions

good luck trying to make crunch time fly

>>382046665
Troy
Laura

How many emploies has ever been hired by infinity ward or whatever?

>>382046917
You'd have to be retarded to go into the vidya industry as a programmer

Being a VA has to be one of the easiest, most overpaid jobs on the planet.

>>382047013
Programming is actually the most stable position you can have in a studio. It's the hardest to replace and game marketability is directly proportional to the quality of code.

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>>382045293
>[Huge corporation] has generated $15 billion to date
>But the janitors only get 0.03%!

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>>382046894
>VA is crucial for immersion. GTA V would have flopped if it had shitty Oblivion style bland acting.
Then why didn't Oblivion flop?

>VA should get a percentage
>Even though they are online involved in 5% of the work
>Meanwhile the actual animators, programers and artists are not even close to what the VA get NOW
really activates your almonds

>>382046325
Don't need VAs when all you need is text and good music and sounds.

>>382046894
Depending on the game VAs can be important, but as they're already getting paid nicely, why should they get more money than this?
Beyond certain point VA quality is not at all determined by how big name they are or how much money was paid for their work.

>>382047082
It's not overpaid considering for every successful "star" there are at least a hundred second and third rates.

>>382047163
I imagine it's a more stable job than fucking gameplay designer or whatever, sure. I simply meant compared to taking your programming skills literally anywhere else though. Every single software firm will have better conditions than a vidya studio

>>382047204
Because Morrowind, graphics(it was 2006) and being a decent open world RPG.
People still made fun of the voice acting even as Bethesda tried to market it as a cool new thing.

>>382047351
>Every single software firm will have better conditions than a vidya studio
Please elaborate

>>382046894
Deus Ex has terrible voice acting and is incredibly immersive.

>>382047204
Because it was still too early for hundreds of videos and thousands of forum posts to rip it a new one and discourage buyers.
Unlike now when GTA V has mixed revoews after a day or two of protesting.

>>382045293
>>382045293

Many games are story driven and voice acting does matter a great deal.

Devs are idiots. It's their fault they don't unionize. Tech industry workers are usually too stupid to do this. They get fired all the time out of the blue.

Now Devs are attacking voice actors but they won't complain about how the companies are mistreating them.

It speaks more about what game devs aren't willing to do to elevate their job security and conditions rather than voice actors supposedly getting too much.

>>382047441
I SPILL MY DRINK

>>382046325
>He thinks all you need to make a game is a voice over.
>Laughing sluts.
The people who make the game work 400 times longer and make 400 times less, go suck a fucking dick.

>Va comes in.
>Grunts into mic.
>Collects $10,000 per sentence.

>Texture artists comes in.
>Spends 20 hours working his ass off.
>Gets a bottle of coke but cant return the glass for money because he gets paid by salaries

>tfw there are people being paid only 8.25 an hour to talk for 8-9 hours straight to people who treat them lower than dog shit, but some man-bun having pissant who gets treated like a fucking celebrity feels that he should get residuals and be paid more because "speaking is tough"

>>382046970
Why did you hide two letters...?

>>382046387
>10 hours
Not arguing any other point here but I won a sweepstakes that involved being paid 1,200$ to do a radio commercial for my hometown's pools. Based on that experience and every production report I've ever heard of anything with a producer; that's definitely not how it goes.

It took me 5 8 hour sessions to read and try to incorporate every whim the recording producers had, then whatever riffing whoever in the room thought they were a genius. I had 4 pages of scripted lines they wanted each day; and the commercial wound up being 103 words.

>>382046917
>crunch time

There wouldn't be a crunch time if they actually spent their time working. They all just sit around and jerk off for months then shit their pants when deadline is coming and end up working 100 hour weeks.

>>382045293
Counterargument: nobody bought a CoD title because of a VA.

>>382046894
>muh immersion

i swear i remember being pretty well immersed in all those snes games i played with zero voice acting.

I also remember being immersed in Halo CE which didnt use "professional" voice actors at all.

basically eat shit you talentless hack, i prefer the devs themselves hamming the shit out of voice lines

>>382047458
fun fact: Tommy Vercetti VA from Vice City wanted to get more money from Rockstar for being in such a big game and their response was "how about we kill off your character?"

>>382045293
call of duty has proven the devs don't matter at all either since this scenario is exactly what happened. the original devs left to form respawn games. activision just replaced them with a bunch of randos and life went on because gamers only care about the franchise. activision also handed the series off to some other dev for every other installment (was it treyarch?) and still gamers didn't give a shit. they just blindly buy the franchise.

activision holds the IP so they hold the power. it's been proven that literally everything else is replaceable. if the people buying games actually valued devs and and voice actors then they would get more money, but it's been proven time and again that gamers don't care.
unlike holywood where the actors can command alot of money because moviegoers actually value the actor. a big holywood name can make a movie successful all on it's own. the same is not true in video games.

>>382046147
that's a shitload of money, you fucking faggot. you can make multiple AAA games with that

>>382047441
It may have been in its day but now the early 2000s blocky graphics and over-the-top B action movie acting are laughable.

>>382046014
You do realise that if they start giving everyone residuals than the price of games will probably increase as a result,right?

binge working code monkey devs do much more than voice actors, and yet they earn much less than somebody who works for 30 minutes a day and literally only reads a script

>>382045564
This is correct, most of the CoD voice actors don't really do much, and you could probably get anybody to do the work.

>>382047652
cutscenes =/= immersion

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>>382045293
>15 Billion to date
>Performers on received 0.03%!!!

>implying the franchise didn't tell the voice actors how much they were gonna make
>implying the voice actors couldn't decline if they offered too little
>implying franchise would have to pay a lot for this

That's fucking stupid. That's like me getting pissed off at burger king because I worked there and they made billions in a year. No fag, I worked there voluntarily and the pay I got was fine. If I don't like it I fuck off and let someone else work for that rate.

Jap VAs:
>have to voice a game
>have to sing character songs
>have to voice drama CDs
>have to go to concerts
>have to do conventions

American VAs:
>have to voice a game
>have to do conventions where half of them fuck their underaged fans

If they want to get paid more like Japanese VAs do (and this shit started because a lot of them noticed that Jap VAs get paid more), then they should have to do all the shit that the Japs do.

>>382047431
Really? You'll very rarely have to work 100 hour weeks to make a release deadline in normal programming work
If you go into a big enough company you can have a 9 to 5 lifestyle forever

>performers deserve more than the people who wrote their lines, made the game, made the architecture, and made the art
this isn't even a real debate.

>>382047550
Not possible, that would ruin the whole cinematic medium mantra and push games back 10 years.

>Companies wont hire Unionized Workers
HMM I WONDER!

>>382047461
Plenty of story driven games have miserable or no voice acting. People still like the stories.

Voice acting really does matter, but at the same time it's rarely if ever crucial. You can use good voice as an effective way to tell the story, or you don't and people aren't going to miss it.

Wait is this fucking strike still going on?
Jesus what a fucking embarrassment. They've been at it for what, half a year now? And all they've got to show for it is absolutely nothing. No game has been delayed, no one has boycotted publishers, no one has even fucking noticed. This strike is such a total failure that these dipshits HAVE to keep it going instead of swallowing their pride and realizing that they are not what people buy games for

The actual developers actually need/deserve this shit, unlike voice actors.

You are expected to do unpaid overtime, and are always disposable since game devolpment is a super popular industry with tons of of new blood flowing in. Being brought on then fired after a single project is the norm, and you get zero IP/ownership rights of the stuff you make, there are no royalties for them, etc.

Everyone should go on strike honestly let's just freeze the world for a few days till the fat kikes at the top start sweating.

>>382047498
Fucking this. I worked in tech support at a call center, dealing with completely fucking retarded customers who seem to have trouble understanding that it's perfectly normal to not get wifi reception when you've fucking encased your router in the drywall between rooms because you "Didn't want to see wires or the modem because it ruins the decor!"

Fuck those people, I should have been paid 500 dollars an hour just to deal with that bull shit, it was so fucking infuriating dealing with absolute morons that I just left that job out of frustration with a damaged sense of trust in humanity at that point. Some of these people were fucking doctors and shit and they're incapable of fucking remembering their own wifi passwords in the same phone call where they set it. Jesus.

>>382045293
I'll be honest I could not tell you the name of a single character from the COD series because i haven't played the single player since Black Ops 1 and I did not even finish that one. The performers are a surprisingly small part of what makes COD,COD when most people will be playing multiplayer for months on end.

>>382047803
"Really" what
I have no familiarity with this kind of work in general
Do you really need to be a dick about it

>>382047832
Why have both get more then?

>>382047740
Cutscenes are one part of immersion.

>>382045293
Supermarkets have sold 15 million ice cream tubs to date, yet Trump only gets 2 scoops

>>382047652
No, it still is, now kill yourself.

>>382048019
I think I restrained myself quite well in explaining these widely-known facts to you

>>382047774
This.
>I agreed to do a job for certain amount of money but now that amount is companies doing wrong against me!
All this is about is them wanting more money.

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>Its another /v/ pretends they know how game development / game industry works
>Get hired as a VA
>They get paid as a VA
>End up doing more than just voicing some lines through a baseline

I hope all voice actors around the globe refuse to work on any videogame ever, so we can finally have good and long dialogue in Elder Scrolls again

>>382048106
>fem.jpg
kill yourself unironically

>>382047774
Exactly. Kids don't give a shit about fucking voice actors, they just play it with their friends. Most of them probably never even play the campaign.

>>382048071
>discussing something
>someone asks to elaborate on something for the sake of conversation and to hear your take and possible personal experience on it versus looking it up
>be a massive douche about it
I bet people love you at parties

>>382048031
you can get shitload of immersion and atmosphere without cutscenes

>>382047992
>>382047498
Actor has talent and marketable skillset, the customer support can be literally anyone.
Work smart, not hard.

>>382047507
Reddit self-censorship

>>382046526
Funny thing,when Guy Cihi(VA for James Sunderland in SH2) wanted to get residuals from Konami, Troy Baker stood up for Konami. Now he wants residuals as well.
Troy Baker's performance in SH2 HD Collection is also one of the worst things I've heard. At least the guys in Deus Ex tried.

>>382048251
Did I pass out and end up on tumblr or something? Stop being a whiny faggot

>the stuff you do of the whole videogame is like 0.0001% of the workload and literally some random janitor could do your job for a small wad of cash
>get 0.03% of the money
>still want more

>>382045293
what about the programmers and code monkeys that actually sat down and crunched out the numbers to even make these games in the first place? what about the hours they had to work and the things they had to sacrifice for this 15 billion dollar franchise? i cant imagine they actually made much more than the performers frankly

>>382048258
How, walking simulators? Trying to teabag NPCs in Half Life while they speak?

>>382045293
Every industry worker should complain about this.

Do people think an actor let alone animator gets anything close to 1% of what Disney generates?

>>382048358
>damage control

>>382045293
Who the hell buys a CoD game for the voice actors? Any braindead vagrant off the street could do the same voice acting job. The developers of the game itself deserve most of the money.

>>382045293
>>382045813
Surely these workers can make more money doing a different job or making their own entertainment, right? Why rely on others if they think they deserve more money?

Seriously, answer that.

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>>382045293
>Performers

>>382048194
MTGTOW spotted
No one is triggered by a word like that besides you

>>382048384
Programmers chose a bad place to display and use their supposed skillset that gives them that title.
Code monkeys are replaceable like dull razor blades, they don't even need to think, unlike actors.
Hard work has no value.

>>382048024
because that's what jobs are. You get paid to do something, you aren't entitled to a percentage of the revenue. that's an incredibly unstable way to pay your employees, not to mention more convoluted (increased costs to pay them). This is how capitalism works. This is how hollywood works too. Actors make big bucks, but they aren't seeing a cut of the revenue (usually). Like, fucking Ian McKellen isn't walking away with .03% of LOTR's revenue and he's a much bigger piece of that production.
the point of this image is to put a BIG number next to a SMALL number to trick the reader into thinking actors dont get paid enough. .03% of 15 billion is a lot of fucking money. Voice actors get paid well. Don't let anyone fool you. They're just out for more money because they think they're more important than they actually are.

>>382045293
>>382048489
Yeah, developers are probably paid just as much.

>>382048403
Stalker: shadow of chernobyl for instance
or Limbo
or Uplink
or Red Orchestra
etc

>>382048579
this

>>382048573
>Code monkeys are replaceable like dull razor blades, they don't even need to think, unlike actors.
go to bed, Nolan. Developers literal job is to problem solve all day. Voice actors need only show up a few days/weeks, they're the ones that don't need to think.

We don't need "professional" VA's.

>>382048489
You'd be surprised how easy it is to not act well. You're just a shut in know it all who can't appreciate well done work.
I bet you've been pissed at gamepkay balance and bugs morw often, or at all, than bad VA lines.

>>382048251
> versus looking it up
You sound like the people crying about others not spoonfeeding them sources. You're clearly not from here.

>>382045293
Yes they should.

>>382048573
>they don't even need to think, unlike actors.

Because impersonators don't exist?

Did you know it wasn't Michael J Fox in the Back to the Future game?

>>382048712
Nolan is actually against the strike, he was called a scab for showing up at the VGA's and calling the devs the true stars.

I'm all for better conditions regarding scheduling, breaks in their like 8 hours of screaming into a mic, and just a better work environment in general, but percentage pay based on game's overall earnings doesn't really seem like something that's needed. Pay bumps? Sure, if the role warrants it.

I just feel like VAs aren't as important to a game as actors are to a movie, but they want to be regarded as such.

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Nobody plays games for specific voice actors. You can hire random schmucks off the street and pay them minimum wage to be in a video game and they'd be ecstatic about it. Voice acting isn't necessary, bad voice acting only hurts a game and good voice acting only helps the game slightly and that's if the story is good too. Writers and artists and programmers should be paid more, not these pompous assholes with big egos. You talk into a microphone, it's not fucking hard. You get a cushy sound booth and you might hurt your voice doing the same line 10 times, boo hoo. Joe is working for pennies compared to you, working overtime during crunch periods, getting underpaid, treated like a slave, coding how to make your character's eyelashes flutter just right in the wind physics for the past three years.

>>382047652
Deus ex is one of the few games i can actually recall being completely immersed in the story. It was one of those games where you look at the clock and somehow 12 hours have passed.

>>382048830
Try actually reading the posts you reply to

>>382048712
There is no problem solving as a code monkey, you just do exactly as you're told. You're not qualified for more or contracted for less.
A good actor has to read and deploy a line once and make it flawless.

How are developers responding to the strike? Are more voice actors being hired?

I don't believe that having a generic tough-guy voice is a skill rare enough to twist the arms of multibillion dollar companies over.

>>382048894
that makes sense, he makes good money because he's a good voice actor

While we are on the topic of VG voice actors, I really hate how some people are like "Oh man, Japanese voice acting is WAY better. They don't exaggerate as much and its not as cringy."

Like, holy fuck you massive retard. You aren't Japanese, so you've never heard regular Japanese conversation. NO FUCKING SHIT JAPANESE VOICE ACTING SOUNDS MORE "NORMAL" TO YOU. YOU HAVE NOTHING TO COMPARE IT TO. It's probably just as overdone as English voice acting you fuck. Fucking idiots.

>>382048384
Look up how much the average vidya programmer makes. You'd be surprised.

>>382048987
>A good actor has to read and deploy a line once and make it flawless.

But they always have multiple takes. Seriously though, there is only a limited supply of actors.

>>382048342
Troy what happened to you, at least we have Matthew Mercer until Naughty Dog will get his hands on him like they did with Troy and Nolan.

WAAAAH! MY SHITTY VOICE ACTING DOESN'T GET ME MONEY!!!
>is an A-list actor

>>382047520
that seems like a weird prize to win

>>382049053

Weeaboos are deluded, what's new?

>nip dub
>all female "voices" are high pitched squealing that sounds incredibly out of place and phoned in
>this is just like one of my Japanese animes

>>382048712
Don't most real actors view voice work as an easy buck? I know i'v read a few stories how A-listers joke about how easy doing voicework on animated movies and video games is and got a shitload of flak from VAfags.

>All these people saying the current VA's are expendable and easily replaced
This isn't your fucking mcjob.

>>382049053
you reminded me of case with s.t.a.l.k.e.r. games
russian players often play with english VA while english speaking players prefer russian VA, both sides complain about quality and prefer ones they understand less because they sound better

>>382048987
>There is no problem solving as a code monkey, you just do exactly as you're told.
you really don't get how this works do you? Nobody is micromanaging 100+ programmers on their every move. There's an overarching goal, and that's broken down into smaller goals for smaller teams. No one is telling programmers "oh hey man, just write 3 functions that point to these other functions". You're handed problems and you have to solve them. You have meetings to talk about the best way to solve it.
this idea that programmers don't think is the most naive thing in this thread.
right next to this:
>A good actor has to read and deploy a line once and make it flawless.
voice actors say their lines multiple times multiple ways, just like "real" actors do for their director.
you don't know shit about anything. get the fuck out of here.

>>382047184

To be fair, that is an argument people are making....

>>382046894
GTAV is a terrible example and you should feel retarded for using it. The actors did wayore than just provide their voices, they provided their likeness to be used as in-game avatars, and also did mo-cap to actually play a role in the game.
And I seriously doubt a cuck like you knows just how much they got paid for the role.

>>382048660
Unmodded STALKER is exactly a repetitive walking simulator with endless fetch quests.
Limbo is some minimalistic indie game.
Red Orchestra 2 is made by the VAs. PTSD threads and sound files being ported over to other games are empirical evidence thereof.

>>382049185
Yea, but it's ridiculous. Like a friend of mine refuses to get the new Zelda, because it has english voice acting and its "SOOO BADD HURTS HIS EARS :(((" Then you hear the fucking nip version, and its generic anime #2156

>>382049275
But that doesn't make it a good argument

>>382048973
You literally got assblasted over someone going
>"REALLY?"
when he could have called you and your mom a retard for not knowing basic facts.

>>382049053
It doesn't sound normal, just more energetic, compared to the monotone and lifeless lines seen in most western VAs. At least that's my experience, as someone who's not jap or american.

These voice actors must have a lot of money if they can just go on strike like that

>>382049053
Many voice actors are shit.

I see people praising Teen Titans and shitting on Teen Titans Go. Watching S1 of TT and the voices are so out of place and slow.

>>382049560
Weird, considering its the same voice cast

>>382049487
plus, anime is very stylized in it's performance. Japanese is a language that depends on inflection a lot and in a very specific way. It doesn't translate to english that well.
also, anime isn't made for english, it's made for and makes more money for japanese audiences. That's why english VAs are garbage, because they don't get paid a lot because no one wants to pay them a bunch of money to act really well to a small audience.

>>382049560
>Watching S1 of TT and the voices are so out of place and slow.
To be fair most shows characters will sound different especially in the first season.

>>382049165
Yeah, year before that the same radio station gave away a current-year Pontiac Sunfire's first year of payments.

I imagine many small city TV and radio stations half-ass their shit.

>>382049252
Actually software architects and lead programmers make the scheme of the objects amd algorithms. The rest is college homework tier shit like "write an algorithm that does X and Y with A and B."
You're thinking of movies. Actors are often rushed or rush themsepves to finish and get on with the project. They're paid by the line.

>>382049630
Well when the animators get paid less because the voice actors decide to go on strike...

>>382049240
>strike has been going on forever
>still no sign of anyone giving a fuck besides /v/ laughing its ass off

>>382049342
took you a while to respond
>Unmodded STALKER is exactly a repetitive walking simulator with endless fetch quests
more like, Unmodded stalker is broken mess that can still offer great atmosphere also
>doing fetch quests in stalker
ISHYGDDT
>Limbo is some minimalistic indie game.
yet its immersive through its simplicity and its a textbook case of "less is more" not a single word is spoken yet sound design is excellent. game is still too fucking expensive tho.
>Red Orchestra 2 is made by the VAs. PTSD threads and sound files being ported over to other games are empirical evidence thereof.
more like, VA is done by developers, not the other way around :) example of this being done before can be VTMB, where devs did excellent job without spending money on some washed out professional VA
also nice job skipping Uplink, a game that is mostly composed out of text and icons yet can draw you in like nothing else.

also another one for you, Mount and Blade, I thought it would be nice to hear from you about this one

>>382046014
kek stupid commie

fun fact, a large majority of the voice actors in call of duty are veterans with no or few other opportunities for work in the market because the country they served and fought and potentially lost limbs for decided to send all of it's manual labor overseas.

>>382048892
He had a cameo in the later episodes as one of Marty's ancestors in the 1930s.

>>382049392
>>382049275
Even a manager of Starbucks or Walmart make shit.

>>382049764
>>took you a while to respond
What a weird thing to say for a reply that comes after 8 minutes

>>382049313
That just helps my point. VAs have a lot to offer to the team. Realtime performance capture is why they dotched Ironside in Splinter Cepp Blacklist. The community also screamed to get him back.
Voices matter.

Yes, they should.

>>382049884
Yea, but when VA's have a lot to offer, they are paid based on how much they do.

Don't be retarded

>>382049868
What's your point? I'm unsure if you mean "shit pay" or you're implying they make more than voice actors.

>>382049630
>>382049682
I'm hoping it did improve after S1.

>>382045293
If devs/programmers could actually unionize worth a shit it'd do a hell of a lot more than the VA strike is doing. No one gives a flying cunt, apart from /v/, who just laughs at it.

Seeing Nolan North say on stage getting an award the strike was pointless and the devs are the real stars warmed my heart.

>>382049764
>devs did excellent job
It's your shitty low-standards opinion. it was the usual suspect of overacting in most characters. I cannot remember a single voice that sticks out because of uniqueness in tembre and intonation. Rather I just remember some caffeinated cucks yapping on the radio station.

>VA expects top-dollar for working on literally one thing
>they don't
>"m-muh voice actor's guild..."

This is why you see Tara Strong in literally everything. Fucking whiny piss-babies like David Hayter and Ashly Burch need to talk to their damn agents and get to work.

This is also why we see literal deviantartists in games like Zelda BotW, since some folks are actually begging to do voice work, even if it's just for one character.

Imagine if you had a job as easy as talking into a microphone and you decided to go on strike.

None of these people have ever done an honest days work in their life

>>382049560
That's more to do with the editing and line placement than the voice actors. Many of them were already established before TT and as such the poor match ups should be blamed on the cutter and editors.

>>382050183
Compared to what companies make managers get little, just like VAs get little for what the products generates.

>>382048261
>screeching "Ah, Yu-sempai" into a marketable skillset

lol, no. Voice acting does not take talent. Literally anyone can be a voice actor. There are literal who's on Youtube that are making better dubs than the so-called professionals. The only reason these assholes want residuals is because they are beginning to realize just have insignificant they really are. A voice actor can easily be replaced by some schmuck that sounds like him.

>>382049764
And as far as M&B goes, if the face models aren't discouraging already, the I WEEL DRRINK FROM YA SKAHL really nails the seriousness of intention the devs have with their product. Typical no name studio.

>>382047585
>Stuff that didn't happen

>>382046541
Unions aren't intrinsically Jewish. They represent a form of class collaboration and compromise which is more fascistic than anything.
It's not unions' fault that they're so often filled with revolutionary leftist trash using them as a beachhead.

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I wonder if western VA industry will hit such a point when it will be easier to hire stage actors and actual professionals to do it instead of some no-name shitters thinking too high of themselves.

>>382050348
Ah yeah, obviously that makes sense. I see no issue with that though. They get paid for their work, if they want more then they can move up and take more responsibility. I fail to see why a manager should get %.1 or more for their work in such a big environment

>>382046628
history tends to repeat, hopefully this will be apart of it

>>382045293
They want Voice Acting in games to be the new Hollywood. But what they don't know is that VA works based on hours or sessions and whole process wouldnt take a month to finish. Their work is meaningless compared to what devs have to do.

>>382050442
Youtubers? Like egoraptor amd that other fat fuck? They would have been long picked up and done work for adultswim or TV if they were truly that good.

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>>382045293
15 Billion = 15 000 000 000
15 000 000 000 x 0,0003 = 4 500 000
(According to http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/franchises/Call-of-Duty/, there were 120 voice actors in whole Call of Duty series)
4 500 000 / 120 = 37 500
37 500 / 13 (number of main CoD titles) = 2884$

By averge each actor got almost 3000$ for each game.
How's that bad? I doubt recording all this shit takes more than a month for actors.
I admit I have no idea about living costs in america but where I live you can easily survive on this for 4 months, even if everything is expensive in burgerland then I still really fucking doubt 3k wouldn't be enough to survive for a month.

>>382049240
Nolan North was replaced by Troy Baker who was replaced by Matt Mercer who will soon be replaced by Ray Chase. You've got newbie voice actors being told to sound like more well known voice actors. Fancy a guess why that is?

>>382050550
I wish for an entertainment industry dominated by AI and text to voice acting.

>>382048987
>He thinks that programmers aren't skilled
Someone has to write the code and most of the people with knowledge of code are the programmers

>>382046628
>>382050624
Indie game industry says hi.

>>382050751
Entry level programmers aka code monkeys get that much.

>>382050731
No you stupid cuck, people who actually do dubs on Youtube. TeamFourStars for instance, which sounds way better than the shitty dub that was churned out by professionals.

>>382049240
>>382050756
Frank Caliendo still makes a living for imitating people.

Some kid with a hobby imitating Michael J. Fox got a job with TellTale just for that.

>>382045293
>call of duty
>voice acting
lmao nobody cares shithead

>>382050442
In Mexico happend something like this years ago.
The simpsons voice actors went on strike because litteraly, the dub actors get paid dirt, and they are the ones that made the characters.
They got replace (except lenny and carl for some reason, and alot of the simpsons following went to the drain, and the new stuff isnt as popular anymore (not even because the quality fo the show also went down)

Later There was Dragon ball Kai, the Voices of the characters are beloved here, the Studios wanted to pay dirt cheap, the actors said no, So they got a bunch of second hand replacements (except for krilling for some reason)
And the damn thing Bomb, it was a dissaster, after Dragon ball Kai, Every Dragon ball Adaptation try to get every single voice actor.

But people here sure will pretend voices of characters are garbage and voice actors can be replace so easly.

Dont know if in the US the voice actors are paid badly, but For sure, you cant just replace them with the janitor at all.

>>382050442
>Using Rise as an example for an expendable VA
>When Laura Bailey's departure ruined Rise forever
I agree that the strike is pretty pointless, but you've used a shitty example.

>>382050765
No, """ knowledge of code""" is something an undergrad/intern can wave around. Programmers are people with skill and experience. It's a title in the field.

>>382050893
>No you stupid cuck, people who actually do dubs on Youtube.

Like I'M THE JUGGERNAUT, BITCH?

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You are not entitled to a percentage of the profits of a company simply because you were an employee that worked on it. Your work has to be directly correlated with the generated profits. Voice actors, no matter how good or bad, are a completely replaceable facet of development. You don't get extra money just because you want it.

>>382050893
Again, if it were better, which isn't for your autistic self to decide, those cheap sonic laborers would have been taken long ago.

>>382046628
It's why Indies got such a huge growth in popularity these last years.
Take for example Lone Survivor. The game was made by one guy including the soundtrack. The game obviously has flaws especially in terms of graphics but it's still a better Silent Hill than anything past 4.

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how about instead of paying more money to no-talent VAs, we pay more money to developers, who are already earning way less in game development than they would in other programming careers?

>>382051076
Yes lets ignore the community outcry when they tried to replace agent 47 and sam fisher's actors.

>>382051209
Remember when MGS V made a shitton of money?

>>382051167
You're free to do so via scams... uh I mean DLC. Don't try and damage the base game.

>>382051209
>community outcry

>a couple autists who actually know who does the voice acting

LUL

Will we live in a new era of voice acting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccVTCGpBcdU

Who would complain about such a percentage?

>>382051209
"Outcry" doesn't mean shit. David Hayter was replaced in MGS and MGS5 still sold fine. Most people agreed that the new voice turned out better.

Voice actors don't cause extra sales for video games. Ever.

>>382047803
it very much depends on the company, how many devs you have per team, and where the bottleneck is. Companies like EA can't time manage for shit and are basically in permanent crunch, others manage their time well and don't have as strict of deadlines and hardly have any.

If, say, two other network programmers left recently and there's a lack of them in your company, then yeah, that'll be the bottleneck and you'll get more crunch, but that's just bad luck.

Or you do what I do and work in tools programming so you never get any crunch time at all

>>382050731
>Not wanting to VA for work =/= they are clearly not that good

>>382051291
Yes I remember when a good portion of that was based on a glorified demo and a game that naturally didn't live up to its early footage.
Thanks, low standards gamers.

>>382051101
>you're only good if you're working for table scraps at a company

Ok.

>>382046628
I remember that early fighting games, like SF2 and others, used game development staff as rudimentary voice actors. I think Chun Li was voiced by one of the sprite artists, for example. So why did we need "talent" for video games? It just became an expensive moneysink, and I bet advertising vocal talent was a huge thing back then, like how developers (and console makers) competed on the basis for visuals.

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>>382045293
>paid to talk into a microphone
>demand more

>>382051516
This is like saying programmers are paid to hit keys on a keyboard.

>>382051478
Regardless of it's quality, that had a replaced VA. And it still made the money.

>>382051426
Turning down easy and secure money opportunities means you either tried and got rejected or you weren't good enough.
After all, another youtube policy change and more youtube channels will fly away.

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VAs should totally get paid more for the hard work that they do. Voice acting isn't easy you know? Having to yell and growl is totally hard on your throat. You're all just a bunch of babies who doesn't realize how hard it is to go into the booth and use the same voice for every character you voice, you big meanies!

>>382045293
450 million dollars?

>>382051646
Maybe they are satisfied with a regular job?

>tfw it took me 2 minutes to realize its not un-ionized but union-ized
had no fucking clue what OP wanted to say with ion and VAs

>>382047521
That's not how programming works, anon. Often times crunch comes from changing expectations and changing demands and bugfixes. None of which are the programmer being "lazy" as you so vehemently put it.

>>382051515
Because devs want their games to be more msrketable and become a medoim confirmed to stay for good and get close to the arts, eventually becoming one, and not just walk in place and make products for imbeciles.

>>382051623
yea, they are. and if they dont like how much they get paid for doing it, they can work somewhere else and let someone else work there for cheaper

>>382047801
as if JP VAs are not part of the problem of the anime industry is facing such a problem. you know there's something wrong when the animation studio and its employers get fuck all money while VA get x10 more than the fucking animator.

>>382051646
>easy and secure money opportunities

You mean like the Patreon accounts and donations that most of these channels have? Along with the merchandise that a lot of them sell. Sure seems easy and secure to me.

>>382045293
Most of those "Billions" are generated from DLC and loot boxes. Why the fuck would voice actors be entitled to money from loot box revenue?

>>382045293
not even the programers get paid that amount
get fucked

>>382051734
Youtube is not a regular job, it's a hobbyist activity that happens to bring money. It is notncontracted work and youtube has no problem letting people go.

>>382051943
At least they do more than walk in a booth, go "Hi, I'm Roy-sama", and walk out. They work for those shekels since VAs in Japan are expected to shuck and jive along with talking into a microphone.

>>382046147
Okay let's
>450 mil over 15 years = 30 mil/year
>30mil/year divided by what, a thousand voice actors? Probably pushing it
>still at least $30k a year per VA for recording some fucking lines
Poor sods

>>382047461
The sad fact too is that this is what the executives want. Hell, they probably even perpetuated it. Keep the lowly slaves fighting each other while they run off with all the money. It's not hard to see why it's effective.

>>382052062
>non-contracted
>youtube has no problem letting people go

So just like a regular job then?

>>382051946
For sure, all dozen lucky "celebs" who will soon fall behind the times and bottom feed like spoony or some other firgotten fag like him.

Anything to get Nolan North and Troy Baker away from videogames

>>382052251
Maybe if you're an intern, yes.

>>382045293
Some of the most genuine and entertaining VA I've ever heard were made by the devs and whoever was around the office rather than anyone trained to perform in any capacity. Though admittedly those performances also tended to use editing and effects to their advantage.

>>382052062
I mean a regular job as in a regular job, they have lives outside of Jewtube

>>382049689
>first year of payments
>you're stuck paying for a Pontiac Sunfire
Truly a fate worse than death.

>>382045293
Fuck off you fucking voice actors, no one on /v/ wants you or will ever support you. You don't like your job or the pay? Well too bad, but welcome to the rest of the 90% of the world. You can always change and work for burger king or move to Taiwan and stack some hardware together for £2/h.

You ungrateful bitch, we care about gameplay and not endlessly boring cut scenes with shitty writings.

>>382052275
>Spoony: 759 a month
>DSP: 1180 a month
>TeamFourStar: 12,123 a month

If this is bottom feeding then I am clearly doing something wrong

>>382051939
Well enjoy no games then.

>>382052539
Acting is simple enough to fit in that schedule.

>>382051961
Because they see that the game is successful. They want their share of the pie that nobody else actually gets. You know artists, sound designers, designers, writers, and so on get a huge bonus based on sales. They sure do! Look at those guys that make <50k a year getting a shitload from CoD making a billion a year. Hmm.. wait a second most of them don't. Interesting.

Their argument makes no sense.

>>382051209
Lmao I don't even think Michael Ironside cared about not voicing Sam anymore.

>>382051961
>shitty dlc boxes
Why should the company be entitled to money for lootboxes

>>382052428
most jobs are "non-contracted" i'm not sure if you're meaning to use another term or if you've just never held a job but want to put across the illusion of having done so.

>>382052687
>TFS
divide that into how many?

>>382052696
VAs don't make games so now what faglord?

>>382045293
>come in for a week or 2 at leisurely hours
>already getting paid hundreds or thousands for a few 2 to 4 hour sessions
>bitch and complain about pay
What the fuck do these people think they're being ripped off about? I mean, I don't care if they unionize and go on strike. But where exactly is the employer abuse? the financial burden? the distribution of labor/reward ratio being off? Saying "oh Activision has made some money and I want it" is such inflammatory nothingness.

>>382052835
>most jobs are "non-contracted"
In what third world shithole do you live anon?

>>382052687
Do they still make money after ads left Youtube?

>>382052661
This is a problemed mentality you have. So just let rich people continue to fuck every worker out of proper compensation and ignore the hard work that goes into your entertainment? That's a horrible precedent to keep pushing there.

>>382052835
Sorry Pajeet, jobs in Europe are contracted. They have to be to even add them to your working ledger and expect retirement money.

>>382052724
And people who do voice acting for fun, do you think they are ambitious enough to whore out their voice to as much companies as possible

>>382049053
>>382049185
>>382049343
there was a gundam show where the creator of the franchise got really mad at how current VA of japan can't do anything outside otakubait and fujoshibait voices. he got even more frustated because he had to roll with it since it was all that avaible in the market.
the range of most jp VAs are even smaller than western VAs.
but and weabs only to hear the same shit in every anime in every season

>>382051938
>382051938
spellcheck your posts

>VAs thinking they deserve Hollywood actor money

They do 5% of an A-List actor's job, therefore they deserve 5% of their salary.

>>382053123
Sorry, I'm on phone.

>>382052981
Well considering that the average game's content is usually at least 15 - 20% voice acting, then why aren't they being paid higher than .03% of the money the game made for said content?

>>382052251
found the american

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Reminder that the same people who think that the amount VAs get paid is enough are the same people who think the minimum wage in America is ok at $7 an hour.

>New Zealand: $15.50/hour
>England: £7.85/hour
>Australia: $17.70/hour, casuals get +25% loading

>>382053097
>for fun
So not professional, or not as good.
>whore out
Smart people use their assets ti their advantage, yes.

>>382053046
That's Patreon money. It doesn't have shit to do with Youtube ads.

>>382045293
The voice actors believe that they can strike because they won't be easily replaced - because they are valuable enough to get away with it.

But I think most other developers - software developers, artists, low-level designers, etc. - acknowledge that their respective positions are likely easy enough to backfill, compared to the costs of offering true royalties (instead of yearly bonuses.)

I think that a few voice actors may be in a position where they can demand more, but I think the majority are in the same boat as everyone else.

>>382050550
Is that Wojak on the left?

>>382053059
The VAs are hardly the victims here. Devs themselves and the IPs are.

VAs are freelancers most of the time, so they have no other ties to the company other than their contract, which they have signed and agreed to and which holds the amount of compensation for their voice acting work.

It's not that they're underpaid or abused, they're just fucking stupid to agree to a bad contract in the first place.

>>382053246
>They do 5% of an A-List actor's job, therefore they deserve 5% of their salary.
No matter how you work out an A-list actors "salary" (they aren't salaried) that's still a huge amount of money.

>>382051939
Great, as if there aren't enough badly optimised and buggy games out there, we need more and cheaper coders.
Fuck off you free marker shill.

>>382053418
>a few voice actors may be in a position where they can demand more
A few, sure.

But these guys are literal nobodies that have -let's be real- a real easy fucking job.

>>382053317
USD has more value though. Don't STRAYANs whine about $100 games? Meanwhile they're $60 in the US.

>>382049420
Please reply again once you've actually read the post
You're the one crying about spoonfeeding, so I'm not spoonfeeding you

>>382053410
Ah, did read up far enough.

>>382045293
Yes

>>382048342
Guy's position was also much more reasonable - he wanted residuals for an extended re-use of his performance in a new product release and Konami hadn't actually clarified their rights (or Guy's) for the performance to begin with;

They wanted him to sign a backdated release/contract that would give him nothing. His position was that that was stupid and he refused.

Troy's a super dick.

>>382045293
>.03% of 15 billion is 4.5 million
>http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/franchises/Call-of-Duty/
>lists 120 actors across 10 games
>$37,500 per VA
>average hollywood stunt double salary around $70,000

honestly they get paid pretty fairly

>>382053365
The argument was that their is plenty of readily available talent, being a professional voice actor doesn't automatically make you talented, there are plenty other people with similar voices, and some know how to use them better

>>382053562
If thats the case companies will just nuke them and forget about them and thats it.

and then probably looking for even cheaper workers

>>382047671
American brainwashing right here folks. Keep fighting for scraps amongst yourselves while letting your masters take the lion's share.

>>382053317
McJobs are literally the only jobs that actually pay minimum wage. Any job involving even the slightest skill or difficulty will be $10 an hour or more. I pay hotel housekeepers $10-11 because we can't get anyone decent for less than that.

>>382052127
> he thinks .03% of 15 billion is 450 million
You literally can't into math, so your comment is not worthy

>>382053317
All those other places also have sky high tax rates compared to the US, and the Australian dollar is weaker than the yen.

>>382045293
Now how much did all the games cost to make?

>>382053562
>>But these guys are literal nobodies that have -let's be real- a real easy fucking job.

A lot of the other stuff they were asking for made sense, to prevent them from fucking up their voices for a given single role, and ensure that they got proper information about roles and duties therein.

But they got offered an agreement with all of that stuff but not the residuals. And they fucking refused.

Because the money to the few matter more than better overall conditions for all of them.

>>382050550
I can only wish. Aren't the Dark Souls VA's stage actors?

>>382045813
voice actors are hired for a flat fee to do a job. just because youre involved in a project does not mean you should get a cut of the profits.

do workers in a company expect to get a cut when their company turns a profit? no, they get their agreed salary, because thats normal.

the kind of people that expect a cut because something they contributed to (for an agreed amount of money) does well are greedy fucks, they only want "their" cut because it looks like easy money, not because they deserve it

>>382053267
>content is 15% - 20% voice acting
>only probably 0.3% of all manhours are voice acting
>thousands upon thousands upon thousands of lines of code written by a hundred programmers in the span of months, or even years
>tens, if not hundreds of artists sculpting, painting and animating taking months or years to complete
>VAs come in for 80 hours max to say a couple of things into the microphone

They have a lawful contract that they agreed to and it states the amount of compensation they will get for their work. They read it through, and agreed to it. Now they saw that the company makes more money with the product and they go: "Hey, I was a part of making that. I should get a slice, even though I already made a contract and sold my work as a package."

It's just plain greed and stupidity.

>>382053887
the confusion probably come that a billion dollars is diferent in the US than in other countries.

In some places a Billion is "One million millions"
instead of "thousand millions"

>>382053267
Because, again, content =/= labor cost. VA's don't pull the same hours as even a part time developer. They come in for a 2 to 10 sessions that last a few hours to do voice work over the course of a week or two at average.

Imagine being a concept artist, you slave away from 9 to 5 throughout the whole games development helping design the look and feel of the game. You get paid a salary. You spend 8 months to a year on a game. Yeah not all of your art actually gets in, maybe 40% of what you draw up gets conceptualized and placed in. But here comes a VA, who's only worked at minimum the amount you work in half a week, and they're demanding to be paid more than you make in a months pay for effectively 2 days work.

>>382045564
Exactly.

If anyone deserves more money it's the programmers and animators. Not some cucks talking

>>382045491
>you
>in charge of doing simple math
Damn /v/ is full of fucking retards.

>>382053869
I that referencing the old Milliard numberphile video?

>>382045293
Those actors don't even deserve that much.

>>382045843
The publisher gets the money and pays the developer whatever their cut is according to the contract. The developer pays its worker as any other business would. The publisher then contracts a developer to make another game.

>>382054107
What's the problem? Effort has no intrinsic value.

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>Voice actors go on strike.
>Suddenly a bunch of scabs that were constantly muscled out of roles have work.
>This is somehow a bad thing.

Troy Baker has enough money, stop trying to turn the industry into a daycare.

The latest >performers were fucking trash.

>>382054059
>They have a lawful contract that they agreed to and it states the amount of compensation they will get for their work. They read it through, and agreed to it. Now they saw that the company makes more money with the product and they go: "Hey, I was a part of making that. I should get a slice, even though I already made a contract and sold my work as a package."

how stupid can you get? this isn't an effort to revise an already completed contract, but to form a type of VA union (i.e. SAG, WGAW, WGAE, etc.)

Jesus what retards frequent this site

>>382045293
>playing single player
>caring about the grunting and canned responses in multiplayer

>>382053869
Why the fuck would any VA who isn't already an established Hollywood name get residuals? The only actors who get residuals on films are major stars. The same major stars that have enough star power to sell a movie based solely on the fact that they are in it. There isn't a single dedicated VA that could sell anything based on name value. Also, those top actors spend months working on the film, and months after promoting the film. They can't take more than a few projects a year. Troy Baker was in EIGHTEEN games in 2010, on top of all of the other voice work he does.

He's also worth six million dollars. VAs are paid perfectly fairly based on the work and commitment they are asked to make.

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>>382054379
>VAs go on strike
>Yuri Lowenthal still somehow manages to be in every piece of media ever with the same generic voice

>>382054117
Yeah they'll "deserve the money" when they start producing perfectly optimised games without bugs.

>>382051209
Take Dead Rising 4. It was a shit show of a game and there was n outcry for the original VA for Frank to come back.
If the game had been good it would've sold well, regardless of VA. If the game had Frank's original VA but everything remained the same, it would do exactly the same amount of money.
Most people don't fucking give a shit.
Outside of places like /v/, places people want to discuss details in this industry, no one else cares about it. The average consumer, the ones actually making a profit for these companies, don't care if Nolan North or Troy Baker are in it. They'll only notice or say something if its bad.

>>382054050
Yes. Same with FF12.

>>382054458
I agree but I would like to the point out the fact that a better known VA could arrange for residuals on a small budget game and it would make sense.

>>382054518
The effects on products is not immediately felt due to products having multi-year release cycles.

Plus, it has always been the case that the more important SAG members can get away with special side-deals during strikes.

>>382054402
There already is a type of VA union, mongoloid. That's the reason they're on strike.

What they're trying to do is set the minimum wage of a voice actor, who belongs to the union, as a standard that cannot be undercut by members of the union. They all agree to a certain minimum wage so that they won't compete against eachother and every dev is required to pay that amount.

They're basically making themselves effectively unemployed, since games don't need voice actors to be successful.

>>382053317
VAs don't get minimum wage. They're skilled workers that get paid per job like an IT contractor or a plumber. If you offer a contract worker less than they want they just won't do the job.

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>here's this job, I'll pay you $x/hour
>okay, great
>later
>YOU MADE SO MUCH MONEY WHY DID I ONLY GET THE AGREED AMOUNT YOU SCAMMER
>next job
>here's this job, gonna be real popular. I'll give you x% of the profits
>FUCK OF SCAMMER FAGGOT DO YOU THINK I WILL FALL FOR YOUR PROFIT SHARING SCHEME PAY ME $$$$$ UPFRONT
Seriously, fuck these guys.

>>382054765
Don't forget the other stipulations, like how other performance-based positions must be filled by union members.

This includes motion capture (performers and other positions) and animation (animators/riggers, 3D modeling to some extent).

The sheer fact that "scab" is their goto vernacular for referring to non-union members tells you everything you need to know about these parasites.

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>>382054458
>voice actor strike
>developers just say fuck it and pony up for big hollywood names like Chris Pratt or Jennifer Lawrence
>game sells like crazy because MUH STARS
>suddenly everyone wants actual actors and is fine with paying more based on the returns
>VAs whine themselves into the unemployment line

>>382054368
So then the VA should be fine with his rate, you post-modernistic dweeb. And yes, effort does have intrinsic value. That's why burger flippers make minimum wage and doctors make six figures.

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Why don't they just ask for a higher price upfront instead of bitching about it after they do the job?

>>382054765
in other words completely the opposite of what you claimed in your original post. gotcha.

>>382055038
Like I said, they're effectively alienating themselves from their work field. Devs don't have to agree to the strike and they don't have to hire union-based voice actors if they keep bitching. Someone else will do the job and perhaps they'll understand how the world works and aren't entitled little shits.
>>382055118
Because they're not big enough to make demands and why should they be? All they do is talk into a microphone. A radio host has more presence than a fucking vidya VA.

Fuck voice actors, I'm glad we are getting more diverse ones now that the shitty same old ones are on "strike" (read as; jobless) and we won't hear the same voices every game

>>382055118
Because there are a thousand others who will do that easy job of talking into a mic for a few hours for the lower price.

>>382055117
It's very easy to tell you have no actual life experience.

>>382053773
remember that they had kevin spacey.

he probably got a mil for it.

>>382055305
How is
>They want more money
>They want to raise the minimum wage
complete opposites?

First post was about how they have a contract when they provide voice acting and how they want more money for the small shit they did.

Second post was about lecturing you on what a union is.

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>>382045293
>salaried worker's paychecks are minuscule compared to the total earnings of a mega-franchise.

no. shit.

>>382055117
The VA, like any sane adult, wants more money for his work.
You also missed the meaning of the sentence. A burger flipper can't ask you for extra $1 for a cheeseburger because he really put a lot of love into it. You actually contradicted yourself with that analogy, since doctors happily prescribe medicine all day instead of sweating.

>only 15 billion since the first

And i thought activision was greedy turns out they are failures

Either that or this number is wrong and invalidates the entire image

>>382055383
Yes and provide either Nuthin Personnel Kid or Joker ripoff voices for all those amateurs are worth. Studios already cheap out on VAs massively.

>>382055520
A doctor has significantly more responsibility than a burger flipper. A doctor can practically kill you if he fucks up, so there's the risk/reward kind of thing going on.

Voice acting is not very risky nor does a VA carry a responsibility of any sort. Most what tends to hurt their reputation is done by themselves doing shit like this and making a fool out of their selves.

On job posting sites like Voice123 it actually lets you filter actors by union affiliation. If I ever need any work done they are getting black balled for being whiny cunts.

top kek.

>>382055696
Only the past 6 games or so broke $1 billion.

>>382055118
>>382055383
That and the fact that residuals effect games that sell really well. Which means VAs that take advantage of this is mostly hacks like Troy Baker that gets shoved in every big release.

So we can expect to see voicefags on this board appearing in actual games since nobody wants to pay "big name" voice actors more?
will runkachunk reemerge due to this?

>people who don't realize that the only way to pay voice actors more is to raise the price of games

I mean it's a long time coming for sure but why it would be this and not inflation I have no idea they will just blacklist anyone who works for unions and everyone will leave them meaning they will all fall into ruin

>>382055383
So just like any other job.

>>382055383
Then what do they hope to achieve with the strike?

>>382055059
>developers just say fuck it and pony up for big hollywood names
lolno. They'd just hire some different nobodies. Being a game VA just requires a semi competent actor, there are hundreds of thousands of actors who can do that.

>>382045293
I can not wait for games to be 90$ because a bunch of hack voice actors who I am tired of hearing are getting royalties while devs the real people who matter are get shit.

>Put in the least amount of man hours on a project
>Your time is still valued massively over 95% of people who worked on the project
>Complain that you aren't making enough.

People don't buy games over voice actors.

Iconic actors have been replaced and no one gave a shit.

>>382045293
what percentage of the man hours to produce the games came from the performers? oh, right, basically zero.

>>382056201
They hope their union is strong enough and can bully other VAs to go on strike too.
Doesn't seem to be working too well so far.

>>382055506
tardo

>>382056293
Any one dev probably has much more time sunk into a game project than all the voice actors together.

>>382056201
God knows. They're halting progress on on-going development and if you are a part of the union, you are expected to stay strong with the strike, otherwise they kick you out of the union or some shit.

Pretty much this >>382056331

>>382056374
I don't get it.

>>382048579
>because that's what jobs are. You get paid to do something, you aren't entitled to a percentage of the revenue. that's an incredibly unstable way to pay your employees, not to mention more convoluted (increased costs to pay them)
> that's an incredibly unstable way to pay your employees, not to mention more convoluted (increased costs to pay them)

this this this. Do these morons expect these companies to rework their entire accounting operation to make this shit work? That's just one of the many things wrong with this nonsense.

I get the impression that the people leading this strike are of the same vein of the individuals leading the Cornell graduate student union efforts. From what I've heard these are otherwise smart people who just can't fucking think when it comes to these topics. They're stuck in a ideological rut instead of seeing things rationally and as they are. Ask a pertinent question and you'll get and rant about their beliefs, but no actual answer.

>>382046248
Screen actors aren't mere decades away from just grabbing a software engineer to voice a character. These motherfuckers make games better but they are far from necessary.

>>382056431
>They're halting progress on on-going development
They haven't stopped progress on anything.

Games are just proceeding with non union actors.

That's why the strike is a joke.

>>382045293
Guarentee the programmers get about that, if even less. Why should a person saying something into a mic get paid more than the person who made the game actually playable?

What about the artists? Gun design isn't simple. There's a lot of detail.

And the writers? Sure, you dont play ai gle player, doesnt mean its not there. And without the writers the voice actors wouldn't get to voice act.

My point is that voice acting isn't the most important part of a game. Not by far. It makes sense they get so little. Also, nobody knew that CoD would explode like it did starting with 4.

>>382056549
The thing is you don't even have to compare jobs. VA is done on a contractual open market style and is not salaried. Both sides are free to offer or demand what they wish and there is plenty of talent and projects to go around.

>>382055435
CoD is a pretty weird example, Kevin Spacey and Kit Harrington probably got loadsamoney for their likenesses but you've also got Griggs in 4 who was just played by one of the animators who probably didn't get any extra money for it
On top of that no actor is in more than 4 games and they've always used a mix of hollywood actors, pro VA's and little-known theater and TV actors

>>382049053
English is not my first language but after watching many series and movies in English I just can't watch anything with Brazilian acting because is so shit and unnatural that, holy shit is impossible. I know that in anime the voices seem more forced than it must be in a natural conversation but if you have a constant contact with other language you can feel what sounds natural and what not

>>382048712
>>382052424
Nolan North is against the strike and said the programmers deserve raises instead

>>382056549
Agreed and lets not forget that a lot of the voice actors on strike are people who we are tired of hearing of like Troy Baker who is at the most is just decent actor compared to the theater actors they got for the Dark Soul games.

>>382056531
Even better.

>>382048261
>Actor has talent and marketable skillset
if only, considering some of the awful VAs that have been allowed.

>>382056431
>>382056531
I really wish SAG or whatever actors union went strike a few months ago.

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>>382045293

>0.03% of $15 billion
>$4.500.000
> / 30 years of franchise
>$150.000 VA found for project
> / 50 Voice Actors
>$3.000

???

>$3.000 for doing your job

Are you kidding me ? It's not enough ?

Fuck them, spread this calculation, VA are fucking Jews.

Are these voice actors trying to get paid more than the engineers/artists/designers/writers or some shit? I don't see that ever happening.