This is a good game. Story fags need to kill themselves. It's

Would have been better if they actually finished it.

>>381956726
literally babby's first stealth game

It's a very good game, but it does have its flaws and certainly isn't better than Thief/2, Deus Ex, Blood Money, etc.

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>>381956726
Guns are all zeroed wrong

>>381956785
fpbp
/thread

i'm at about 94% completion, should i bother finishing this game?

It's a good stealth game and I really really like the guard adaptation mechanic, but it's definitely not the magnum opus. Lack of guard density and the ability to make your approach from any direction makes neutralizing an area pretty easy.

>>381956952
Left is the correct answer

>>381956952
depends on your preference for zeroed scopes, you can align them either way in real life

i like left personally so I can see all of what I'm shooting at

male to female
chico to quiet
mantis to mantis

>>381957220
VOLBACHIA

>>381957181
Kojima certainly didn't think so

>>381956726

It's great if you just set your own goals in the open world and use that total control mod to quadruple the number of soldiers in any given outpost/base

>>381956726
drawn out
like it wastes soooo much of your time
and omfg no actual boss fights

>>381957209
True but the game uses the one on the right and bullet drop is so exaggerated you have to use the middle of the post to aim.

>>381957209
You'd be shooting upward if you did the post alignment on the right, anon..

It's just a rehash of Peace Walker without David Hayter and a fake Big Boss which makes it shit

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>>381956726
>magnum opus of stealth games
While MGSV was a fun stealth game...
We had the magnum opus for years now
pic related

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>>381957573
Try again.

>>381957459
don't talk shit about big medic, faggot

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It has a good story too, only plebs are too hung up on the fact that it isn't their Big Boss fanboy wet dream to appreciate the deeper themes.

So you fags can educate yourselves
>https://youtu.be/EA4uan90HeA
>http://metagearsolid.org/2016/12/requiem-and-rebirth-metal-gear-solid-v-as-a-new-beginning/

>>381957403
This
There's no war going on... So there's all this empty space with only a truck or Jeep passing on occasion. No armor is present outside of ops so you never encounter an empty tank for taking or a full one when you're off guard.

There should have been occasional fights between Russians and mujahedeen as well as PMC and rebels in Angola/Zaire. Mgs4 sorta did this

>>381957449
you can adjust most sights separately from the barrel anon

>>381957720
mark of the ninja is a inferior 2d version of chaos theory

Do you guys think konami will announce an mgs4 port next month?

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> It's the magnum opus of the stealth genre

Only a 12 year old who has never played a stealth game could say this.

Playing hide-and-go-seek with the target gets old. I'm tempted to just google where they are, so I can just extract or cap 'em quickly. I like infiltrating more vertical, urban environments.

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>>381957720
>>381957573
Tskk, tskk, tskk....

Is it worth $4?

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Ground Zeroes > Phantom Pain

>It's a good game
Correct
>It's the magnum opus of the stealth genre
Incorrect

>barely any boss fights in an MGS game
nah fuck off

>>381958124
Kojima is a dick

>>381956726
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0Q5KTrt5Crs

>>381956726
>It's the magnum opus of the stealth genre

That would be Thief 2, but MGSV is pretty good. Level design holds it back, which is vital to a stealth game.

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>>381958227

>>381957936
Not on Xbox or PC. There's lots of playstation references in the game even the little MG robot is controlled with a PS3 controller in-game.

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>>381957902
You seem to misunderstand how retarded it is to use your iron sights as shown on the right.

Even if you adjusted the distance and windage on the rear sight you still don't use the fucking front post like that. Shit, try doing that with a pistol and it becomes even more special.

Buncha' no guns in this thread

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MGSV would have been amazing if they'd reduced the world by legit like 70%

The vast, VAST majority of the open world is absolutely worthless and does nothing but force you to take awful helicopter rides every single time you want to go somewhere new
I seriously would not be surprised if half of my 50 hours in the game were made up of me running to new objectives or waiting for the helicopter

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>>381958357
you were my hero, Kojima-san

>>381956726
The game is broken as hell. Once you get Quiet is turns into easy mode. Here we have a game that spends more time in micro management screens and menus than actually playing the game. And then with all the thousands of weapon combinations they all become pointless when there's no incentive to use them. In Afganistan is just used desert camo, tranq gun, an assault rifle and brought Quiet. In Africa I used woodland camo, tranq gun, assault rifle of choice and brought Quiet. Did this all the way to then end and beat the game. Granted there was the occasional rocket launcher use to kill a tank or fight a boss. And the maps themselves are hug and empty as fuck. It was a chore to play through. I thought it would get better by chapter 2. It actually got worse. From a technical standpoint the game is impressive (except for having the worst fire graphics I've ever seen in a modern game) but the lack of engaging gameplay and being able to infiltrate from any direction made it boring, tedious, and repetitive. Ground Zero's felt dense, populated, was actually fun. I don't know how they messed the rest up so bad.

>>381956726
>Story fags need to kill themselves

That'd be an ok thing to say if this wasn't MGS , where story is really important

Kojima is only saved by his dev team

Would of been miles better game if Kojima fucked off and let devs do what they do best

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OFFICIAL MGS POWER RANKINGS

1 > 3 > 2 > Peace Walker > 4 > V

Also Snake > Raiden > Big Boss (after 3 his character went to shit)

>>381958721
>>381958357
>>381958227
>>381958227
It's like what Jarvis said in X-Men last stand: "You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

>>381959039
But he did fuck off during development.

>they didn't include chopper rides during free roam so we don't need to drive 6k+ everytime

I know the game wasn't finished, but they could implement that, couldn't they? Hell, why would they put this mechanic on the useless motherbase and not on free roam.

>>381956726
It's good, the main missions tend to get ruined by retarded Kojima zombies and superpowers horse shit.
There's really nothing fun about just unloading ammo into bulletsponge enemies for a few minutes to progress at the end of an otherwise good milsim mission.

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>>381959096
Are you doing me a trick?

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>>381958124
I do miss the camera angle from GZ. It's much better than TPP's.
>>381956726
But yeah OP it's pretty fun but a couple of things would have made the game much better. The GZ Omega Camp is what all of the major outposts should have been like if they were going for open world. Just a series of OC sized, detailed bases mixed w/ small ones in between. Imagine if you had to sneak through each camp to get to a mission area and if you were detected the difficulty of the game would increase accordingly. There is so much simple shit that should've been put into the game. The Muhjadeen should've had fights with the Russians. It sucks the modding community is really small (probably because the game is hard to mod), I'm sure someone would have done this already. Also, there's no reason for camo at all; no camo index, no plants and animals to eat/survive off. And Africa is absolute shit. Just nothing but mud and grass, all of the bases there are easily forgettable.

Honestly, I thought the story was okay as it finally explained Zero's motives

>>>381956726
>It's the magnum opus of the stealth genre.
Why?
I can see why people might like the overall gameplay due to the amount of stuff a player can do but the stealth was bad. I didn't play with reflex mode (slowing down time whenever anyone sees you is a terrible idea) and this shows that the ai is dumber than it was in MGS2. At least in that game the whole base wasn't alerted as soon as I got seen (the ai either had to tell someone else, shoot their gun, or radio). The game was made around reflex mode.
Also the stealth gameplay boils down to tranq and balloon enemies. Choosing a direction to attack the area in no way changes this basic formula and it's always better to go out at night so I hope you like the green night vision mode. At least in MGS3 you had to hide the bodies.

Only counting the gameplay, I personally had more fun with every other MG game counting the originals.

Also every boss was horrible outside of Metal Gear.

>>381958357
can someone help me find this video of kojima
it's a video about mgs4 with kojima in the office but someone just edited all the subtitles to make them comedic and so its like he's talking about mgsv
like this one part kojima was calling gay while he was presenting some shit

>>381959092
Put 4 above PW and ur good

>>381958395
It can't be on PS4 either then, as it can't use a PS3 controller, checkmate.

>>381959896
I wouldn't even bothing calling them "bosses" in mgsv

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>>381956726
>It's the magnum opus of the stealth genre.
>25 feet from an enemy in broad daylight but they can't see you because you're slightly crouching

>>381958647
Yeah and the open world gives your base practically nothing when you can farm all the materials from dispatch missions and FOBs.

>>381958789

If you actually think MGS has a good story you're probably still in high school.

>>381958770
>toggle easy mode
>complain that the game was easy
Whoaaah! It's almost like you can choose how to tackle the missions. Too bad your choice was to suckle on Quiets tat instead of doing it yourself.

>>381957764
kill yourself, pretentious cuck
the only phantom pain i'm feeling is the missing integrity of tha canon after phantom pain bulldozes in the building

>>381956726
wish it had co-op
or better yet I wish wildlands had as good game mechanics as MGS5

>>381956726
It has a good story too. Between the paz side story, the quarantine mission, and the lust for revenge I had plenty of feels and laughs.

Muh disappoint of le phantom pain game fags kill yourselves

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>>381960752
I got you senpai. Sorry about the not-zombies though.

>>381957573
Every time, you splinter cell fags are delusional. MGS shits all over SC.

>>381957268
TO PREVENT...COPULATION

>>381960908
don't support this game
don't support konami

>>381960829
>plenty of feels and laughs
>names literally 3 missions out of like 40

"Boss, we need X, which enemy Y has. I don't really know why we need it, our client just wants it and it'll never be relevant again. Go get it, and there'll be no interesting characters or events along the way."

Repeat ad nauseum until maybe like two or three missions where there are actually stakes or something of interest happening

>>381960936
Don't be so harsh on them. This is the only way they can get any attention to their little franchise.

>>381956785
>finished it
my.mixtape.moe/eupzzf.mp4

>>381960557
Then quiet was a poor design in its entirety

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>>381960752
>MGSV
>Good game mechanics

>>381961039
>hurr I don't know how to have fun and do tacticool ops

Your fault you suck at the game

>>381956726
Things I like
>fox engine is solid
>best camo index, every shade of camo available has some representation in the game environment
>Great potential for just about every kind of challenge run you can think of
What I dislike
>entire PMC system feels tired after playing peacewalker
>game feels outright unfinished
>CODified MGO and half assed story were a massive waste of the fox engine's potential

There was no potential for the story to be good you're feeble minded if you expected otherwise.

>>381960995
I will support my asian overlords
and you'll too

>>381961202
Why would I care about being a tacticool operator when nothing I'm accomplishing is actually interesting?
How many times can I shoot dudes with tranq darts before it ceases to be cool anymore?
Why is it that the only missions where crazy shit happens, the Skulls missions, are also the worst ones in the game even though they're the only ones that have the spirit of Metal Gear at all?

>>381961135
What did you expect? She was introduced as some super mutant megaubersoldier that can shoot jetpilots from a moving plane, turn invisible, jump like 50m, doesn't need to breath and time her shots to not hit the rotor blades of a moving helicopter while your enemies are some conscripted slavs and ooga booga mercenaries.

>>381961261
Kojima is the only overlord

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>>381961231
>you're feeble minded

>>381961383
Now go make a nuclear thread about your phantom pain faggot

>>381961383
yep, sooooo much filler
and omg tranq fulton tranq fulton tranq fulton gets lame quick

>>381961607
Have you tried to not use tranq and fulton to overcome every obstacle?

Gameplay-wise it's one of the best games I've ever played.

Conversely it's one of the worst pieces of storytelling I've ever experienced.

Overall my opinion of the game is very positive, although it's a shame that kojimbo never got to finish chapter 3. Don't know how I would rate it compared to the other metal gear titles as its really not all that similar to the other games.

>>381961383
The mansion mission was pretty cool. But yeah, I mostly just cheesed the Skulls with D-Horse.

>>381956726
the fucking missions are fucking monotonous, maybe if they didn't reuse fucking areas or made more the game would've played better

They should have spent less time creating 100 pointless filler side missions and more time making 5-10 more actual story missions that would have made the game feel a lot more complete.

Even then the pacing of the shit story is all over the place. It really seems like kojima just wrote about 7 or 8 scenes and planned to tie them all together later but ran out of time, so he just threw them all in in random order.

>>381961717
Have you tried building up mother base? You need to tranq and fulton people for that
At least you understand the thing about the filler

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>>381962039
Yeah I kinda know about building MB. Do you?

>>381960995
we don't use reddit score in here, champ

>>381961383
>Why is it that the only missions where crazy shit happens, the Skulls missions


>what is hells gate
>what is any mission with skull face
>what is quarantine mission
>he didn't enjoy fighting the skulls to some tunes

Your problem is you suck at the game and you don't know how to have fun, plain and simple. You cucks were too used to these games hand holding you through a linear story. MGS2 is my favorite but V is still good.

>>381956726
The level design is garbage.

>>381962119
I honestly have no idea how people spend so much time in this game
I hope it was fun for you

>>381960829
No, it does not have a good story. It has good characters, some good scenes and the Paz side story is good. The actual overarching plot is an absolute mess with a shoehorned twist in at the end that just feels like a poor rehash of the themes from MGS2. Volgin and Psycho Mantis were awful, that infamous scene on the back of the trailer where big boss plays his idle animation was atrocious, skull face was a bad villain, and chapter 2 seemed like a bunch of unrelated nonsense shoehorned in. The last mission was just the tutorial copy pasted, and they didn't even include the endings to multiples plot threads they set up.

>>381961231
>fox engine is solid
outside of looking good, it's a mess, and FOB(arguably the """meat and potatoes""" of chapter 2) shows it the most
>best camo index, every shade of camo available has some representation in the game environment
except it's literally worse in every single aspect
if the camo fits the surface, you get a 50% camo and the stance modifies the rest, if it doesn't, it's a 0%
MGS3 was two generations ahead compared to this bullshit
>Great potential for just about every kind of challenge run you can think of
except the previous game had more challenges, less handholding, better controls, and let you take off all your weapons if you wanted

>>381956726
with those missions?
hell no

>>381960936
If you're talking gun battles and ridiculous plots, then sure, but we're talking about stealth.

>>381961069
https://youtu.be/hnVPUK-8P0M?t=7s

>>381960557
>Making assumptions
>Projecting this much

Whoa It's almost like the game didn't give you any incentive to approach missions differently because it was the same thing over and over again. But go ahead defend it. All the other mainline Metal Gear Games had focus. Gave you a reason to use certain weapons and approach fights differently and use some strategy. That's the problem with open world games. Even playing on the hardest setting is easy once you know how to exploit the games flaws. And MGSV has lots of flaws.

>>381956726
You thibk if we ask nicely, konami will release modding tools? I just want to see the community finish this with decent content.
Not like Konami cares about it

>>381962519
This is a lot of words to say so little. All you managed to do is call everything shit without really elaborating on anything.

>>381963323
looks more like "i am legend" to me

ITT: people who like shit games get btfo :)))))

>>381963438
This is just straight bullshit. Every MGS has far more tools than you need and you can tranq your ass of in all of them. The series has always been about being creative and having fun with the tools at your disposal. MGSV simply takes this to the next level by giving you infinite control over the mission.

>>381963438
>wah wah wah why should I challenge myself or work for my enjoyment? Why can't these games handheld me? Like give me a daily quest of "win 3 missions without Quiet".
Fucking nu-/v/ was a mistake.

>>381963438
>Gave you a reason to use certain weapons and approach fights differently and use some strategy.

What? When I was little I killed everyone and now I tranq or knock out everyone. They never force you to do shit.

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>>381956726
>near sighter enemy soldiers
>no civies, and in Afghan, the soviets aren't exactly local either
>game rewards speed over stealth
>grindy research with needless timers to encourage micro transactions
>clean an outpost and nobody bothers to radio in to see if there's people there, in fact, you can cut their comms and no one bothers to repair them no matter how much time it passes
>a huge base to explore with nothing to do in there after the first hour
>mobile/handheld mission base game on modern consoles (I still want to punch Kojima for taking me on a sortie screen when I was captured and couldn't make it back to base before the next mission)
>more focus on a ton of stupid songs no one hears than to make the game more diverse and entertaining
>well developed, already stablished characters are nothing like they used to be and for no reason, and that applies in both past and future
>technology more incredible than what was available chronologically in the last one

And I didn't even got to talk about story, just to entertain your argument. This game sucks and it'll look worse on hindsight as time goes on.

>>381957276
Savage

>>381965651
>And I didn't even got to talk about story, just to entertain your argument.

Good thing most of your points are just nitpicky bullshit.

Also speed is very important in pretty much anything, how is that even a negative? Because you can't get good and need 45minutes to complete a mission? I find it hilarious people will bitch about how it is "easy" and guards apparently have bad vision (they don't they're the most advanced in the series and far more abundant) yet you throw a fit over having to get fast at doing something to get a good rank.

>>381966021
No, fucking idiot, what I mean is that the game will give me a better ranking by speeding things up, and not penalize me as much for being detected and killing people than by doing everything carefully preventing them from knowing I was even there

>Nitpicky bullshit
Not an argument, and good job not denying those.

>>381956726
Missions get repetitive after 60% of the game (you go back to the same places a lot of times to again rescue hostages. Something that didn't happen on the previous linear MGSs for good). Also it doesn't connect Peace Walker/Ground Zeroes to MG1 at all. I mean: it shows child Liquid Snake but doesn't even show child Solid Snake. But it's a very fun game indeed.

>>381956726
Fuck, I even like the story. It's an excellent game all around.

>>381960995
And why shouldn't I?

>>381968234
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3hH7S8HgMI

got it about 2 weeks ago, old gamer but haven't played a fps/stealth game since perfect dark.

just beat the first chapter

pro:

amazing gameplay
AI is that magic spot between perceptive and stupid
gun upgrades are a fun grind because each upgrade really helps
the time-compressed missions aren't too hard

con:

quiet breaks the game
firing troublemakers is annoying
the supernatural stuff is way out of place. i'm trying to have a comfy stealth campout and don't want to deal with some asshole who ignores the established dynamics of the gameplay
fuck the cut scenes. i started skipping all of them after the mansion.

I'm guessing that the 60-90% completion phase is the most fun- where you're trying to figure out how to A+ every mission. It's a slow comfy game.

>>381968938
Yes, I see now. The ones who run this shit should be shot in the face.

>>381956785
It is finished. It has some of the most fully fleshed out and complex shooting and stealth mechanics of any game.

This could be GOAT if Konami just released the fucking mission editor and allowed user created/playable Side OPS, the game would be almost endlessly replayable

It has a bad case of variety syndrome. The game is so obsessed with giving you so many options to choose from that it doesn't realize most players are probably just going to tranq spam to get those S-Ranks.

GZ had the right idea, give people shit for tranqs and let them either deal with running out or take a risk and wander around looking for more. The entire R&D system in Phantom Pain is fucked.

>>381956726
I agree, it's a very good game, plus it has the best gameplay in the series. However my problem with the game is like the problems I have with GTA V; it has potential to be so much more, but the devs don't fix the issues. Hell, at least GTA V has constant big free updates that keep the player interested with various gamemodes and missions even though they need a serious ant-cheat engine, fix bugs, and add more heists/ singleplayer missions; MGS V is just the same shit month after month with FOB stuff, the singleplayer/FOB is clearly unfinished, and MGO3 is fucking DEAD.

So no, not a bad game, in fact a very good game, but with glaring flaws that cannot be ignored.

>>381971284
>if Konami just released the fucking mission editor

good lord that's a great idea

>>381956726
>stealth magnum opus
>running for ten minutes to capture poorly guarded outpost #6,000,000

>>381956726
I wish there was an 'urban' area. A war-torn African city would have been really cool as a part of the map, like the science base or insurgent caves in Afghanistan.

>>381957764
i just wish kojimbo didn't remove half of Big Boss' voice lines

i actually thought Sutherland was a great replacement

Snake Eater and the entirety of games as a whole> Phantom Pain

>half the game spent in a helicopter
>infinite ammo and weapon delivery
>mobile app time walls
>shit ai that doesn't work properly indoors
>a mirrion pointless weapons and they're all fake
>the most empty world since SotC
>bullet sponge bosses

So stealthy, LMAO!

>>381973368
/thread
along with the countless unrefuted arguments in this thread as to why mgsv sux

>>381973560
>half the game spent in a helicopter

This shit drives me up the fucking wall. The worst thing is that everyone around me insists that the helicopter rides really aren't that bad, and I have to wonder if I'm a crazy person.

I just want to be able to skip to the LZ at the start of missions, why can't I do that

>>381973560
You can barely even call them bosses LMAO
That would require them to be unique and interesting

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>>381959752
Camo does matter, it just doesn't have a visible index like with previous entries. Spot on about the camps though as they should have been big and detailed and you know, BASE-LIKE, i.e. big metal buildings with the works.

>>381969578
Mostly good points, but some things stood out to me:

>firing troublemakers is annoying
You don't have to fire them, just counter-balance them with diplomats. If that is still annoying, then fair point.

>the supernatural stuff is way out of place. i'm trying to have a comfy stealth campout and don't want to deal with some asshole who ignores the established dynamics of the gameplay
As something that's a part of the MGS series, this should be expected. The supernatural/overly-technological gadgets to the point of space magic has always been a part of the franchise.

>fuck the cut scenes. i started skipping all of them after the mansion.
Are you saying they're poorly directed? If that's the case, then to each his own. If, however, you're saying they're too many or something of that nature, then I'd say that the game is already the antithesis of MGS 4, to which more cutscenes are needed to better flesh out the story or just have a better story in general.

Boss.

I've just got intel that Mother Base has lost its mgsv meme reaction section. The struts broke off due to using cheap chinese parts. I wanted to save money for a....side...uh..project, never mind about that...

Anyway, we're gonna need you to go to a nearby soviet outpost, where they've stockpiled a ton of memes. You mission is to extract the data and post it here.

Good luck, boss.

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>>381973721
You can actually start most missions on the ground, fyi. Now what really blows is since Kojima wanted this game to feel like a TV series, the opening credits spoil the upcoming events in the game. That shit is unforgivable.

>>381973721
Well you can accept missions from your Idroid and go to the start point by foot to skip most of the helicopter rides, there is still some mandatory missions you have to exfiltrate by chopper. Also I usually use the flight time to take out map and plan my stuff, try to mark shit I fly over or dig up my tunes for the mission.

>>381973973
>You don't have to fire them, just counter-balance them with diplomats. If that is still annoying, then fair point.

I'd imagine that it's an inducement to get you more into the mechanics of tweaking your staff, like "why do my guys keep going to the brig". However, I think that, due to the the quality automatic placement and relative wealth of talent, it's generally otherwise unnecessary to ever visit that side of the game.

>>381973973
>As something that's a part of the MGS series, this should be expected.

sure, just a personal preference I guess

>>381973973
>Are you saying they're poorly directed?

another personal preference as an old fart.

>>381975069
hello

>>381975069
how was

>>381975069
your day