>There are queers that actually sided with the Imperials

>>381932346

>Current age
>Stormcocks still suck some statue dick

>>381932596
Better a statue the first emperor-turned literal god than a bunch of knife-eared Jews

>>381932775

Atleast we have food blonde/white skinned niggers

>>381932960
>white skinned niggers
Bretons?

>Even Talos believes the empire he made should fail

Where is your god now, Impericucks?

>>381932960
Elf semen isn't food.

>These people tried to cut off my head for no reason
>Best join them and help their cause

Hammerfell only defected because the Legion allowed a whole platoon to go 'rogue' and shit down the Thalmor's throat

>tfw too high on hist sap to give a fuck about non-swamp races

Why don't you just blow up the knife ear island? Worked at shutting the dumbmer up

>>381932346
>redguards and stormcloaks cooperating ever
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

>>381932960
human babies are not food, gutter rat

>>381932346

The greatest heroes were men of the emperor, while you storm cucks only have one retard in a cow helmet that only screams bullshit

>>381933417
>Implying agreeing about something = cooperating

>>381933712
>RPG mechanics
>In realtime combat

absolutely fucking awful

people who support independence:
>nord patriots
>the true king of skyrim
>talos worshipers
>yokudan KANGZ (the strongest warriors on tamriel)
>people who don't suck elf dick
>canonically, the dragonborn

"""people""" who still support the memepire:
>nu-nords
>gypsy races
>retarded imperials clinging to old glory (basically the boomers of the elder scrolls universe)
>jew elves who literally want to destroy the universe
>michael kirkbride

it's pretty clear and obvious what the superior choice is

>>381933761
Who cares if they agree on something if they won't do anything about it?
Hammerfell is busy fighting a political war in their own province and building up an army for future invasions, they won't just agree on a defense agreement with Skyrim, a province whose military is not only currently weak as fuck due to the end of the Civil War, but also mostly inexperienced and without quality training.

And do you people just forget that the Nords wanted the Alik'r warriors out of Skyrim? They weren't even allowed into the cities most of the time and one was thrown in jail.
>>381934164
>stormcloak victory is canon
Source.

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>>381933560
t. mongrel half-"elf"

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>>381934164
>Comparing some thin faggot to legends such as the nerevarine or the champion of cyrodiil.

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>>381934164
>he isn't part of the jew elf doomsday plot

>White Elves absorb the tree elves and conquer cat-folk
>Defeat the largest empire in the world and make men races bow to them and abandon their god who created the empire
>Nigger elves who live in a desert lose to literal fish people that can't spend more then 45 minutes on land at a time
>not only be defeated but literally still occupied by a rotating roster of fish people

Is there a bigger joke race then the Dunmer ?

>>381934437
>implying the nerevarine wouldn't support booting the memepire and their hlaalu lapdogs out of morrowind

>>381934565

Let me guess

>muh skirim wirh snoue and drgns lololollo

>>381934164
>>it's pretty clear and obvious what the superior choice is
The one Kirkbride's on, obviously.

>>381934706

Have the Dunmeme literally ever won a war?

>>381934308
Relax dude, it's just a meme. The two regions are clearly both securing their independence but they're are doing so entirely separately. Why are your feathers so ruffled over this?

>>381933339
This.
What the fuck were the devs thinking?

Post your stealth archers

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>>381935009
Lore is SERIOUS business, anon.
>>381934986
Pretty much every war they fought.

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He was there when no one was
He promised to make you strong
He made you strong
He left, leaving you in charge but knowing he could trust you because you were one of the best men the emperor had
>Tell me /v/ would you fail to him?
Isn't the answer obvious?

>>381933339
>>381935012
They apologized.

>>381933339
>group is clearly in the right and I was cought up in some misfortunate shit by pure chance
>I'm going to hate them forever because they slighted me!

>>381935112

I guess if you replace the definition of win with lose , yes they have

>>381935258
Name one (1).

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Footage of some of the emperor greatest men.

>>381935246
That's how life works buddy, grow up

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>>381935143
Caius is cool and all but Dagoth Ur did nothing wrong.

>>381935246
>Get mugged by a pack of niggers
>You're on your knees
>One of the muggers is holding his pistol to your head (tilted at a 90° angle)
>Cops show up just in time
>Muggers testify in court that they thought you were somebody else
>Decide not to press charges
>In fact, decide to join their gang instead and become best buddies
>After all, it was just a misunderstanding

>>381935552
>did nothing wrong
How naive! Shame on you!

>>381935321

They got conquered by the argonians ?

>>381932346
>worshiping talos
>hating on his empire

a house divided against itself cannot stand nigga

>>381935552

I respect beliefs, but trying to make me eat zombie sand dick was too much

Too bad Ulfric is a whiny bitch

>>381935696
But that's wrong you retard. The Argonians took the opportunity to invade southern Morrowind and after they fucked up some Dres territory House Redoran came in and kicked their ass back to Black Marsh.
Considering that Morrowind was not only weaked by the Oblivion Crisis and the Red Year at the time, but still managed to fight back and drive the Argonians out of the Dres territory, it's pretty damn impressive.

>>381935716
>Implying Talks wouldn't disown the Empire for being a bunch of betas that lost to goddamned elf scum

>>381935897

Source

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>>381932346
>imperials trying to unite every province in order to eventually stop the thalmor menace
>stormcloaks are chimping out while being led by a thalmor agent
hmmmmmmm

>>381935456
Maybe if you're a literal child, sure.
>>381935579
More equivalent to nearly being killed by US forces because you "just happened" to be wandering around Osama Bin Laden's hideout when they raided it.

>>381935579
Top kek, your ancestors are smiling anon.

>>381936365

>Thalmor can conquer skyrim

lol

The empire is literally carting thalmor agents into skyrim and enforcing their laws.

Go look at a map, The Thalmor can't conquer skyrim without the empires assistance

>>381936340
You could say the same of the American colonies and major cities like New York.

>>381935246
Nigga they didnt slight you, they were gonna murder you until divine intervention saved the day.

>>381936365
>imperials trying to unite every province under their elven masters
>stormcocks get their wits together and try to flee the sinking ship
ftfy

>>381932346
>imperials set the dragonborn to execution without trial or basic justification
>there are people who eventually sided with them
I am loathe to use this term, but 'h-h-hey, no hard feelings about the whole... t-t-trying to execute me for no reason thing... r-r-right?' is the penultimate cuckold behavior.

>>381936185
From UESP.
>[...] the Thalmor encouraged the Argonians to attack their Dark Elven enemies to the north in what became known as the Argonian Invasion. They had early success in conquering southern Morrowind, sacking many cities (including Mournhold) as they made it as far as Red Mountain. However, the Argonians were eventually repelled by the army of House Redoran, which successfully stopped them from invading the rest of Morrowind."

The in-game book Rising Threat talks about, some dialogues with Adril Arano from the Dragonborn DLC and the IRL book The Infernal City.

>>381936513
>>381936614

>N-n-no we need to import thalmor agents into skyrim to save us!!! (We need to import mexicans to save america!!)
>Skyrim is for the nords, build the wall and push out illegals (BUILT THE WALL AMERICA FOR AMERICANS MAGA)

Fuck off you globalist cuck shills, go suck elf dick somewhere else. (jew dick)

We aren't giving up our god and we aren't giving up our freedom just because some puppet master tells the emperor what to do.

Lets see the Thalmor invade Skyrim after they lost to the red niggers stopping one of their main possible invasion routes.

The elves literally can't invade Skyrim

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Why is /v/ always chimping out about the Thalmor. The Empire is falling apart and there aren't even any Septims any more to fix it. Thalmor on the other hand have their shit together despite being such a young state. Why not give them the chance to get Tamriel in order again. Who knows, under the right circumstances, maybe they could even pull off invading Akavir one day!

>>381936415
If we're REALLY gonna get technical, then it's more like the president and his secretary of defense lining up a bunch of californian commies in the middle of Philly for a public execution and you're lined up too because you were there on vacation.

>>381935897
>some dres territory
You mean most of it. And don't forget Mournhold was burned to the ground.

>>381937152

No they haven't ?

Thalmor agents are escorted by Imperial troops.

>>381937138
>Why not give them the chance to get Tamriel in order again
Fuck you elf we know you want tom blow up Mundus

>>381937138
> I wonder who could be behind this post?

>>381936775
I'm Polish though

>>381937202
Well, they are rebuilding it, though. Besides in the end the Redoran came out stronk and since they are best House I'm ok with it

>>381937138
Elves are lame, Nords are cool.

>>381937042

So when did losing half of your territory count as "winning" a war?

>>381936365
>>381936365
>imperials trying to unite every province
They cut ties with Hammerfell the instant their people expressed discontent with the Concordat and declared war on a Jarl for following his Nordic traditions after he legally killed the High King precisely because he felt the Empire didn't respect the Nords traditions. They also allowed a massive bloody war between their two protectorates of Argonia and Morrowind

The Emperor was a good tactician during the Great War but he is gods awful at politics.

>>381937069
You're literally hitler chimping out at the jews here.
Which is a bad thing because just like nazi germany you'll fail spectacularly and ruin everything for everyone in the long run, just like the jews have been completely untouchable and thriving since WW2. Play the long game not the short game you fucking retarded ape.

>>381937481

>red niggers actually have a beach the elves can invade
>elves lose
>DUDE THEY CAN TAKE SKYRIM DOE I SWEAR

lol who do you think you're fooling ? The empire lost the war because they lacked the will and didn't want to engage into total war mode.

Chaining yourself to the hip of a rotting corpse isn't applying real world politics

>>381937101
Again, I don't use the term, but forgiving a government that through either malice or incompetence attempted to straight up murder you without any legal proceedings, then enlisting in that government's goon squad at the lowest level and working your way up to middle management by killing that government's enemies for them is not the behavior of someone with high self esteem.

You can join the Stormcloaks, or you can sue for peace at that point in the main quest, but if you join the Empire you are tacitly forgiving them for treating you like dirt and trying to unjustly kill you.

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>>381936645
You do realize that the Thalmor have invade Skyrim both through the Cyrodiil border and the High Rock border, right? And the Skyrim region that borders with High Rock is The Reach, which is already unstable due to the Forsworn, and the Justicars already have an established position in Markarth.

I mean, fuck the elves but Skyrim can't fight against them, especially if it's the Stormcloaks since their army is shit.

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Day of the Thu'um WHEN?

>>381936939
But i use alternative start mod.

>>381937308
It's not as if the Dunmer will last long without the breadbasket of Dres territory and their slave labor to feed themselves, they're going to have to beg the Empire (and by extension the Altmer) for aid. None of this would've happened if Vivec hadn't left that asteroid hanging above his city to prove a point like an idiot, anyways.
Redoran is the best house though, Hlaalu got what they deserved. Shame that the Telvanni got sacked by Argonians as well, but what can you do

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>imperials are objectively the correct choice for both Skyrim and Tamriel as a whole
>b-b-b-b-but they tried to kill me, this somehow makes them in the wrong, even though they are still objectively correct

>>381937497
Pretty much ended as a stalemate. The Dunmer could have been completely wiped out in that state but still managed to hold themselves together and btfo the lizards.

>>381937660
But the red niggers only held them back because the imperials were fighting off the vast majority of their forces elsewhere. If they hadn't been traitorous retards the Empire would have straight up won the war, and none of this would be a problem.

>>381937481
>literal aboriginals with spears and voodoo in Markarth
That were funded by the Thalmor
>Stormcloak fags delude themselves into thinking a bunch of fat drunk "muh land" axemen lead by a selfish retard could hold off the Thalmor army
>Colonial fags delude themselves into thinking a bunch of fat drunk "muh freedom" axemen led by a plantation owner with wooden teeth could hold off the British army

>>381937903

>stupid nigger gets offended and can't make an argument back so he just goes, YOU OFFENDED MEE!!

Yeah no wonder a weak willed loser would want to grip to big mummie empire to wipe your little bum bum

>force of entire empire can't beat elf faggots
>hurr Skyrim can survive independent
snowniggers need to die

>>381937552
>Implying Hitler wasn't a Jewish plant despite the ideals he preached while in-character being 100% right

>>381938036

>cucks who sit inside and have no real world experience are afraid of conflict and automatically with the side of least resistance

Huh , really activates those almonds

>>381938096

Yeah remember when wars are fought we teleport every soldier onto neutral ground and have them fight face to face

>ITT: /pol/tards trying to justify joining racists
Like clockwork...

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>>381938036
>/v/ pre election had definitively realized that the imperials were the correct side
>/v/ post election is filled with stormniggers flinging their shit everywhere
My brain just can't keep up.

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>>381937903
>getting twiggered on 4chan

>>381938254

>being so anally devastated about donald trump that you need to complain about him in elder scrolls threads

What's wrong with you?

I'm glad i sliced that fucking Nazi's head off. What were they thinking?

Were you all so prematurely bigoted and ignorant you just fell for some loosely put together fascist rhetoric? Idiots.

>>381937825
Explain how they are objectively correct

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>>381938186
So Ulfric Stormcloak?

>>381938254
hi Shareblue

>>381937825
Stay mad beta bitch. Who knows how many others were wrongfully killed by the Imperial cucks while they tried to defend their Elven bulls?

>>381937750
Maybe, but we don't really know much about mainland Morrowind politics right now. Hopefully House Sadras is already up and running on full power and helping rebuild. We can only hope for the best.
>>381938096
I'd join with instantly with the Stormcloaks if they weren't a bunch of faggots and actually had a sizeable and trained military with actual allies.

>>381937973
>the imperials were fighting off the vast majority of their forces elsewhere
The war for Hammerfell happened AFTER the signing of the White Gold Concordat when the war ended. The Dominion barely had any forces on the Mainland. The Empire abandoned Hammerfell when they didn't want to give up the land that was their entire reason for fighting in the first place but that the Empire agreed to give up anyway when they surrendered after a massive victory.

>>381938214
prior mobilisation of the attacking force would make the defence of an independent Skyrim even more unlikely

>>381938501
>defend their Elven bulls
Elenwen is literally present at the execution to stop/convince Tullius out from killing Ulfric you tard.

>>381932346
>being so much of a good goy that you belived in the whole nordic supremecy
>when in fact (((they))) were the ones who propagated that to discredit nationalism

>>381938390
Hope you're ready for the Imperial shill's 30 paragraphs of titus mede dick-sucking

>>381938548
>surrendered
The White-Gold Concordat isn't even close to a surrender you fucking mongoloid.

>>381938390
>empire unites
>rebuilds
>have fighting chance against thalmor

>stormcloak wins
>skyrim economy and military turns to shit
>empire likely goes to shit
>no one has any allies to call on
>mundus is destroyed

Why are Elves still obsessed with Nords?

>>381938418
Ulric isn't a Thalmor agent, but he is a selfish idiot. That doesn't mean that he's wrong, of course, as he is 100% right

>>381933937
>stats and character attributes
>decision making and consequences
>factions and allegiances
what have those got to do with realtime combat?

>>381938816
They are the only ones that still have major Talos worship. Removing Talos would help them fulfill their goals much easier.
And they really fucking hate humans and Lorkhan so there's that.

>thalmor has the entire empire by the balls
>"w-w-w-we'll totally spit our ballgag out and turn on the elves when the right time comes :^)"
fucking RAUCOUS LAUGHTER. how gullible are you memepire dorks?

>>381938825
>treaty imposing restrictions on both sides
>surrender
It's not

When I first played it, Stormcloacks were the obvious decision, Nords n SHIIIEET, DK being potrayed as a Nord in the trailer and all that, so of course I had to ally with them.

Then on my second playthrough I looked a little bit more into the story and and sided with the Imperials, seeing as there were some people that were sided with the Imperials and hated the idea of the Thalmor being in power. Wish there was a quest that involved a coup against the Thalmor once DK pushed Alduins shit in or something like that

>>381934164
>(the strongest warriors on tamriel)
(laughs in 16th dimensional mathematics)
also
>tes
>canon

>>381938790

>empire unites and rebuild

Yeah how are they going to manage that by having thalmor agents literred throughout the empire and limiting their capacity of rebuilding
>>381938816

Inferiority complex

>>381938930
Please explain how your army of 30 farmers, no economy, and no allies will win the war against the largest threat Tamriel has seen in the past two centuries.

>>381938720
They literally agreed to every single demand in the Elves original Ultimatum that started the war. The Elves literally got everything they wanted out of the war short of the total eradication of the Empire, which they pretty much got immediately after when the Emperor thought it was a smart idea to actively support the Thalmor in alienating his two most loyal provinces.

>>381938790
>*rebuilds*
>"stop rebuilding" t. thalmor
>yes master thank you master

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>>381932775
>he said supporting a literal (((Thalmor))) asset

>>381939023

>army of 30 farmers

You do realise game mechanics =/= lore mechanics right? Or do you think in TES lore children are actually unkillable ?

The stormcloaks have a large well trained and experienced army with senior officers who have gained experience in fighting the elves

If the stormcloaks was 30 farmers with no experience the empire would have no issue with crushing the rebellion

>>381939023
gorilla tactics
the thalmor has to fight multiple wars on multiple fronts with virtually everyone who isn't a tiny dicked empire whiteboi

>>381938627
>Implying Element isn't false-flagging to enrage Tulius to make sure that he actually goes through with killing Ulfric
The elves play 5 realm backgammon, you fool.

>>381939023
Dragonborn leading Veteran Great War Legionnaires + Civil War Stormcloaks in familiar territory will help.

>>381939237
>implying guerilla warfare works in a pre-gunpowder world

>>381939012
>>381939075
Dominion soldiers are not occupying Imperial lands, they only send Thalmor Justicars and even them have limited mobility. Truth is the Empire is just scared shitless with the threat of another invasion, with a new Emperor things might change.

"What the rebels like to forget, is that the Empire is what's keeping the Dominion out of Skyrim."

Remember that line.

>>381939391
umm, sweetie, they're called stealth archers

>>381932346
Stormcloak rebellion had a point but their leader is a self-centered uneducated fucknugget who was an unknowing Thalmor sleeper agent. Only reason Skyrim's not teeming with piss-skinned knife-eared magenazis is because the white-gold concordat prevents them from directly attacking any imperial provinces: cut away from the empire, you lose that status, and your nation as a whole gets murderfucked into submission.

Gotta wipe the Aldmeri Dominion off the face of Nirn first and then call for independence. Better yet, fuck over both the empire and Ulfric and become high king of skyrim yourself.

>>381939023
Shouting and dragons

>>381938790
The empire already lost to AD, Skyrim wants to be an independent nation and doesnt give a shit what happens to the empire.

After defeating the empire, There's no guarantee a Thalmor invasion would occur or even be successful.

>>381939396

'keeping the dominion out"

by carriaging in their agents into Skyrim ... , the fact is the dominion does not have the logistical capacity to invade Skyrim and even if it did it definitely does not have the ability to hold it

>>381939396
>the Empire is what's keeping the Dominion out of Skyrim
the elven gestapo in imperial-aligned holds seem to not get the memo

>>381939476
>implying the nords can into stealth archery
They're a meme race only good for swinging swords

>>381932346
AYO HOL UP

>>381939396
they don't need to occupy imperial lands because the empire already does all their work for them.

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>>381937138

>>381939509
>and your nation as a whole gets murderfucked into submission
Do tell how.
Hammerfell is in a much better position for the elves to invade and they still got blown the fuck out.

>>381939198
Only senior officers are veteran soldiers, a lot of the Stormcloak military are farmer kids joining up the Rebellion because they hate the Empire.
Don't forget that the Empire was about the win the war at the start of the game, and still have influence in Stormcloak Holds. They were about to execute their leader, damnit. The Legion lost focus after the dragon attacks began and started losing territory to the rebels.
>>381939237
>gorilla tactics against the massive overwhelming force that is the dominion
ok
>>381939320
>"muh dragonborn"
Never ever happening.

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>>381938254
>saying nigger is now reddit
What timeline did I slip through?

>>381939606
>Meme race
>Good at swinging swords

Choose one anon

>>381939606
>implying redguards aren't the greatest stealth archers due to natural camouflage
redguards are the greatest threat to the thalmor plot, not snowniggers.

The aldmeri dominion is also losing the war pretty fucking hard if I recall, like they're getting assblasted left and right because they're spread thinner than the empire and were not prepared to encounter long-winded resistance.

They're written as nazis and their war with the empire took the same path as Germany against the allies. Blitzkrieg that won them a huge amount of ground, slowly chipped away as they decided to fight a war on several fronts until they exhausted all resources.

>>381937497
1 province to the south is hardly half

>>381939760
>massive overwhelming force that is the dominion
so is the Dominion still in the process of rebuilding, or is it a massive overwhelming force
make up your stupid little minds already

fuck the stormcloaks
fuck the empire
forsworn independence now

>People honestly believe that the pampered elf faggots would last a WEEK trying to invade Skyrim
It's all about the environment. Not only do the Nords have the home-field advantage, but they can always retreat to the more hostile and dangerous regions of Skyrim where the knife ears would simply freeze to death or get mauled by bears or dragons or literally anything else. Morrowind is Australia, but Skyrim is Russia.

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>imperials tyrants think they can infest my land with their elf-jew controlled banks

heh...

>>381939320

Exactly, The stormcloaks have

-home field advantage
- veteran troops with experience fighting the dominion
-local support and fierce resistance to the dominion invaders
-a logistically inhospitable territory for a foreign force without local support
-The dominion does not have an easy way to even BEGIN an invasion into Skyrim

>>381939760
>>gorilla tactics against the massive overwhelming force that is the dominion
>ok

>severely overestimating the dominion
they only have real power projection because the entire empire fights as their proxy. they both lost massive numbers prior to the concordat.

>>381939887
They are rebuilding much faster than the Empire, they are already controlling territory in Hammerfell which is probably the most heavily disputed area. And all Thalmor agents you talk to are smug sons of bitches really confident that the Second Great War is coming soon.

>>381939941
>The dominion does not have an easy way to even BEGIN an invasion into Skyrim
Sure they do - Cyrodiil.
Pretty sure imperials would bend over backwards and even set up their supply lines for them.

>>381932346
>Implying a bunch of drunk savages and niggers can beat the Thalmor
Good luck chucking spears and hatches 100 feet up as fireballs rain down on your dumb asses.

>>381939896

Forsworn are the actual low tier niggers the people are trying to call the Storm Cloaks

They are surrounded by enemies and don't have any sea access, if the stormcloaks defeat the empire there is literally 0 chance of them surviving

>>381940048
>controlling territory in Hammerfell
They completely withdrew from Hammerfell, you dumb fuck.

>>381939509
>an unknowing Thalmor sleeper agent
How do you people still not get what a sleeper agent is? The Thalmor can't say a passphrase that'll turn Ulfric into a pro Thalmor sympathizer. Ulfric is an "Asset" in that his war encourages division in the Empire so long as no one wins. He is outright stated to be highly dangerous to approach precisely because he also a threat to the Dominions activity in the Region if he wins.

Sudam Hussein was an "asset" for the CIA too. Then he had his supporters fly a plane into the Twin Towers

>>381934308
>Skyrim, a province whose military is not only currently weak as fuck due to the end of the Civil War, but also mostly inexperienced and without quality training
I was on board until you said inexperienced. They have actual combat experience.

>>381940021
Ae you gonna add something to his post or just ape off of it like the little stormweenie cuck you are?

>>381940103

If that was feasible that would be happening already, why wouldn't the dominion already be pouring troops into Skyrim instead of just gestapo agents ?

The empire while helping the dominion are certainly not reliable vassals.

Even a supply train through Cyrodil would face raids and resistance

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>Play High Elf Spellblade
>Must have mistaken me as a commoner
>Join Imperials as a Thalmor agent
>Dragonwhat was that?
>Kill all Nord trash, easier than basic training
>Kill Turncloak and drag his charred corpse into the street.
>Become archmage in a few hours, lolwut

Skyrim is a backwards province populated my common trash

>>381940286
I think he's reaching his breaking point, lads.

>>381940103
Don't forget High Rock, it's an Imperial province that leads directly into the most hospitable region of Skyrim, The Reach.
>>381940161
In My Time of Need, faggot. The whole plot of that quest is that Saadia is responsible for helping the Thalmor conquer the region of Taneth in south Hammerfell.
>>381940245
The veterans do, but a lot of their army still is composed from locals that barely used an axe before. Maybe their time during the Rebellion itself helps, but even then they will have to continue building up numbers for defense against the Thalmor.

>>381940340

>literally caring about game mechanics in a lore thread

?

AAAAAAAAAYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO AYYYOOO
*smacks pointy ear profusely*
SO HOL UP HOL UP
*takes moral high ground*
SO U BE SAYIN
*dresses in overly long gown*
SO HOL UP U BE SAYIN
*speaks in pompous high-pitched voice*
AAAYYYOOO SO U BE SAYIN
*drinks potion*
U BE SAYIN
*sows dissent among human population*
HOL UP HOL UP
*licks teeth and smacks ears*
AYYYOO U BE SAYIN
*betrays human counterparts*
SO U BE SAYIN
*opens a up a magic potion and pours some for his homies Ellwyn Gordeidd and Dan Eiddyn*
HOL UP SO U BE SAYIN
*infiltrates highest levels of human political scene*
WE GON BE
*dindu nuffins*
FINNA WE GON BE
*forms forbidden magic cabal*
AYYYOO HOL UP WE GON BE
*pulls up sagging robes*
SO WE GON BE
*instinctively looks around for human guards*
SO U SAYIN WE GON BE
*organizes political assassination*
SOM FINNA
*scopes dem pointy ears*
SO WE GON BE
*shouts at magic portal*
SOM FINNA
*chucks life drain spell*
AYYYOO SOM FINA
*steals from human friends*
HOL UP
*strokes gold bag pensively*
WE GON BE
*throws black magic sigil*
SOM FINNA
*instigates a political coup*
WE GON BE
*funds anti-human elf guerilla fighters*
SOM FINNA
*participates in a horse back ride-by fireball*
HOL UP MUH NIGGUH
*converts to necromancy*
U SAYING WE GON BE
*repeated WWOOOOOAAHH in the background*
SOM FINNA
*replaces human king with pro-elf puppet*
SSSSUUUUUUUPPPPPPEEEEEERRRRRRRRIIIIIIOOOOOORRRR RRRRRAAAAAACCCCCCCCEEEEEEEEEEEE??????

>>381940015
>because the entire empire fights as their proxy
This is just blatant retardation.

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>all this fun discussion about TES' political situation
>you just know that when a new game comes out, the politics and intrigues will take a back seat to more 'chosen one killing """"""gods"""""" ' shit once again

>>381937497
Ya got pwned m8

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>>381940178
>Sudam Hussein was an "asset" for the CIA too. Then he had his supporters fly a plane into the Twin Towers

>>381937707
>but forgiving a government that through either malice or incompetence attempted to straight up murder you without any legal proceedings

you were caught with the most wanted terrorist leader in the continent.

nobody asked who the fuck the people in Osama's compound were when they ventilated the entire place.

>>381940103
The Empire bends over backwards to fulfill the terms of the Concordat to avoid a rewnewd total war. They have no obligation to support Dominion invasions of an independent province. They didn't support the invasion of Hammerfell why would they support the invasion of Skyrim?

>>381940469
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Second_Treaty_of_Stros_M%27Kai
DUMB

>>381940459
this

>>381940287
I really doubt the Empire would have the balls to attack Dominion troops moving up north. They wouldn't risk yet another invasion on Cyrodiil.
>>381940636
The occupation of Taneth happens in 4E 201 you dense motherfucker

>>381940459
I ThInK hE's ReAcHiNg HiS bReAkInG pOiNt LaDs

>>381932346
>the same people who side with the "SKYRIM IS FOR THE NORDS!" crowd are the same ones who want mass immigration to the West

Really makes me ponder.

>>381939941
The war itself would absolutely ravage Skyrim and leave it in enough of a position of weakness to allow the Thalmor to swoop in. Lots of people in Skyrim disagree with Ulfric, a small portion straight up follow him and most are sympathetic at best while still very uneasy with the idea of splitting away from the empire.

It's even said in the game that until Ulfric murdered the high king, the Thalmor didn't really give half a shit and the ban on Talos worship wasn't enforced in any significant measure.

If Ulfric were to win the civil war he'd have to deal with so many dissenters that the Dominion could probably set up camp without even being spotted (who would watch the border anyway ? All those imperial soldiers that just got killed/kicked out ?).

I mean shit, just think of the kind of purge Ulfric would have to undertake. We're talking stalin levels of sending everyone to frozen pits in the deep end of The Pale because so many people just flat out fucking hate his guts and his face.

>>381939237
>gorilla

>>381940469

>she betrays her people and when it turns out turning cloak was the wrong choice she leaves

Doesn't that prove the dominion didn't hold onto that territory ?

She sounds like some of the imperial apologists and anti-Independence posters in here desu, allowing her fear of the dominion influence her decisions

>>381940743
Fuck me, it's not really an occupation, no troops are there, but the Dominion controls the territory politically and they just opened a back door to Hammerfell for an upcoming invasion.

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>>381940743
guess I was the dumbo all along

Friendly reminder that Hammerfell needed the unofficial aid of the legions to beat back the Dominion, and the seperatist nords are compromised at the highest level

>>381940531
I actually thought that was pretty well-constructed.

>>381940945
kekd at filename

>>381940887
She probably got the fuck out because she was after the money, not after living under dominance from piss-skins.

>>381940753
>implying

>>381940743
>Dominion puts an invasion force between the Cyrodil and Skyrim

The Emperor is stated to actually be a half descent tactician. You really think the Empire and Skyrim would pass up on a chance trap an entire army of Elves between two hostile forces with NO supply line? That would be the perfect opportunity to start a new War.

>>381940801
>Lots of people in Skyrim disagree with Ulfric
That's an understatement. It's about half of Skyrim, they wouldn't take being occupied by rebel forces lightly.

>>381941102
the emperor is dead dude

>>381941102
They have supply lines coming from Valenwood and Elsweyr, as well as troops.

>>381941102
Except the Emperor's pretty dead.

Remember, all the faction events in TES happen regardless of whether or not the player commits them. If it's not the protagonist, it's someone else.

Tidus Medes gets killed by the brotherhood regardless of the player's involvement, such is the way the plot of TES works. chim

>>381941074
Not implying.

>>381940801

>dissenters

Thalmor agents who rely on local opportunists greed to make arrests. Once the war starts in earnest the opportunists will realise that ratting on their fellow nords will be punished by death. Sure some nords take dominion gold by telling the local Thalmor that Radding is supporting the stormcloaks but there isn't true resistance to Ulfric besides from nobles who fear losing power

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>>381941275
I like the theory that the TES protagonist is really multiple people but you play the game as only one guy because it's convenient or because people mixed it up over time.
and CHIM

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>>381941275
>>381941452
That's not how CHIM works.

>>381940531
This would have actually been funny had you referenced lore and said something like "we wuz anuic"

>>381940568
Discussing the potential future of TES is more fun and interesting than playing TES and you know it.

>>381941582
based retard

>>381940801
All the Jarls in Skyrim after you win the war are pro Ulfric. No ones left to dissent and what purges would be necessary? Even less so once the threat of a thalmor invasion begins. Then its not about whether the killing of the High King was justified. Then its about not getting conquered by filthy knife ears.

>>381941247

I don't think you truly understood the other posters point.

Once the dominion musters a force to invade skyrim as soon as they're far away enough from the dominion the empire can just cut off their supplies and crush the army between them and the stormcloaks

If the aldmeri lose an entire army the empire and the stormcloaks as allies instead of empire and vassal could hold them off

>>381941532
I know but it's still fun to say.
DrAgOn bReAk

>all these people thinking that argonians wanted to conquer all of morrowind

lizards just wanted to take back the lands they'd lost in the 3rd era.

LUSTY
ARGORIAN
MAID

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Reminder that the Thalmor, no matter what, are going to win in the end.

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>>381941373
Half of Skyrim doesn't want to follow Ulfric, though. Like it's not even about the Thalmor or the Empire, it's about Ulfric. They just don't want him in power because he murdered the previous king, a relatively reasonable and well liked figure.

>>381941532
Yeah actually it's more of a Dragon Break, aka contradicting events occurring all at once and merging into a maelstrom prime-A time and space clusterfuck.

>>381941452
tfw you realize all the events are odd and contradicting because it's being read through an elder scroll

>>381937138
This seven contains a writ ordering your death under the noble rules of the Morag Tong

>>381941847

T-t-third times the c-charm right ?

The dominion is a passing fad

>be breton
>already have bad blood with humans and elves
>elf and elf lovers try to chop off my head
>nords basically say im the messiah
>there are people who think i should cuck myself instead of being the fucking messiah

>>381941665
Could be, actually. But then what's the plan?
>stormcloaks win
>bait the dominion into invading skyrim while it seems weak
>surprise motherfucker attacks from all sides
>trap and destroy entire invasion force in a couple of months
What if they just send their Navy in? If Hammerfell tried to stop them they could risk all-out war.

>>381941847
They will, but a chosen one will rise to stop them just before the universe gets destroyed. Maybe the son of Talos or some dumb shit

>>381941659
Except the jarls have supporters and families. Those don't just go away once the jarl is changed to a pro-ulfric guy (some of which are incredibly old and will likely die within years).

What happens once the pro-ulfric jarls start dying of old age or are potentially murdered by pro-empire dissenters, either directly or by means of dark brotherhood ?

>>381935716
>a house divided against itself cannot stand nigga
You faggots always post this shit

"ONLY UNITY CAN STOP THE THALMOR"

Did Tiber fucking Septim need a united people to kill his enemies? No, he took Tamriel by force.

The Nords of Skyrim could do the same if they wanted to, but why would they even want to? What sort of enemies does a sovereign Skyrim face?

>>381941847
How many Towers are even left? Is it just Greensap?

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>>381941943
>He doesn't know
Oh anon..
You as the player have been helping the Thalmor since the first Elder Scrolls game.
With every TES game you, as the player, help the Thalmor more and more.

>>381941847
If by "win" you mean "wipe their own idiot asses from existence because we wuz auri-el"

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>>381942225
They achieve their goal in the end, That's basically winning.

>>381942195
W A L K - B R A S S
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>>381941983

Who sends their navy where? The dominion can't launch a naval invasion of Skyrim and Hammerfell while at peace with the dominion would not pass an opportunity to hurt them if they could

>>381941983
>a naval invasion on the other side of the world
uh-huh

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>>381942195
Only one that really matters is Ada-Mantia and it's still standing.
>>381941906
>all the events are odd and contradicting because it's being read through an elder scroll
Holy shit it all makes sense now

>>381942131
>What happens once the pro-ulfric jarls start dying of old age or are potentially murdered by pro-empire dissenters, either directly or by means of dark brotherhood ?

They elect their other pro ulfric successors and get turned into martyrs by the regime creating an increasing public support of Ulfric and a dissenting opinion against those murderous Imperial scum.

>>381942139
Tiber fucking Septim was a dragonborn who could scream storms into existence. Ulfric's a blonde baboon who can occasionally fus ro dah a 30-something year old pampered nobleman into the floor and even then he still had to cave his skull with an axe to finish the job.

There's kind of a power gap here, don't you think ?

>>381941781
Why are they so inconsistent? They used to be the poo elves' bitchboys but come Oblivion not only does the hist nut up and drive the demons out far easier than anyone else, they also manage to get the rest of their shit together, get revenge on the dunmer and become a major power in tamriel

>>381941906

The previous king was weak and complacent, The nords will rally around the flag once they realise there is no other choice.

The anti ulfric sentiment is fanned by the thalmor and not actually as prevalent as it seems. People don't want to yell their support to Ulfric while still in imperial territory watched by Thalmor agents

The stormcloaks and their supporters are ironically enough the most supportive of the thalmors plans.
the thalmors long term goal is total annihilation of the universe.
the biggest problem theyll have conquering the world is the empire, which is the strongest faction in tamriel.
the stormcloak rebellion is instigated by the thalmor to weaken the empire, whereas if skyrim stays as part of the empire, theyll have a better chance of eventually fucking over the thalmor.
being a stormcuck is being a stupid thalmor puppet and if you sided against the empire your a retard who wants the world destroyed by knife-ears.

>>381942472
Jarls aren't elected, it's a hereditary title, or one you take by force. Only the high king is elected by the moot.

>>381942574

>elves can't conquer hammerfell
>t-they can destroy the world

>>381942412
Fuck, I always forget Numidium is a Tower. Yeah that asshole isn't going down anytime soon.
>>381942536
The Hist mind controls them every now and then and makes them actually useful.
>>381942614
>the moot
literally who

>>381942480
Then fuck him. I, the new Dragonborn, declare mysight rightful High King of Skyrim

>>381942574
the elves don't need to conquer the world, though
all they need is access to the towers
access the empire is just all too happy to provide

>>381942708
Why do people insist that the main characters will do anything at all for Tamriel outside of what happens in the games.

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since this is a TES thread I want to share something

last night I was playing Oblivion for the first time ever and when I went to sell some junk in the store in Chorrol and the argonian lady told me that her daughter went missing, being an Argonian I instantly felt it was my duty to protect my kind from god knows what

turn outs the town she went everybody was an asshole and went searching by the church, nobody there, just a spooky necronomicon
I went into one of the burned buildings and found a hatch.
these cunts were going to sacrifice the girl for an lovecraftian daedra god. I even made a silence gesture when I saw the cage with the girl inside and went to slaughter every fucking body in town. mfw
get the key save the lizard waifu and get rewarded with speechcraft
what a nice fucking game, felt immersed as fuck

>>381942708
That's a mod and yes it's fucking hilarious.

Once you've garnered enough support and concluded the civil war you can cut off the head or marry (and then cut off the head) whoever remains as high king, take their title, and rule as the true lord of the snow.

Friendly reminder that for all the imperials knew you could be ulfric himself in disguise so for all intents and purposes the only sure option for them is to kill everyone who was rounded up, even if their name wasn't on the list.

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>>381942708
The Hero always disappears after the event is completed, the Dragonborn will have no part in the new TES game.

>>381942792
Newfags who haven't played previous TES games.

>>381942663
you know why they couldn't take hammerfell? because a group of "defected" imperial army defended that shit.
>>381942770
still doesnt justify shattering tamriels forces to leave the thalmor unnaposed

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>>381941907

>>381942885
>>381942792
Because I am the main character and I just said so

Bethesda doesn't care about lore so neither should you. Reminder that the Khajit weren't even cats until Morrowind

>>381942614
The title of high king is passed down via family also, that's the only reason Elisif has any claim to the throne. The Moot is for when there's no clear heir, or for use as a vote of no confidence.

>>381942852
Looks like someone found Hackdirt. Unironically the best part of the game.
>>381942885
Interestingly enough, most of them are Stormcloaks who think the rebels can win the war because of the Dragonborn.
It's fun to watch them base entire arguments around them even though its 100% not happening ever.

>>381942886

>defected imperial army

So pretty much the stormcloaks ?

hehee

>>381942886
>still doesnt justify
Yes it does.
A unified empire mean the elves get access to what they always wanted.
A bunch of independent realms antagonistic to them is the opposite of what they want.

>>381943081
This.

>>381943039
So you really are a newfag that hasn't played other TES games because the "cat" version of the Khajiit were introduced in Redguard back in 1998.
And Bethesda coming up with whole new levels of lore just to explain a retcon shows they care about the lore. Or at least used to.

Why wasn't Imperial equipment at least Steel quality? Why wasn't Stormcloak equipment forged with elven tears?

>>381942558
The first king was young and impressionable and sympathetic to Ulfric's cause, Ulfric killed him not because the king was complacent but because he wanted power for him self no matter the cost.

>>381943096
>what is literally implying
>>381943164
a bunch of independant realms means they can just steamroll over them due to there being no organized force.

>>381943164
War-weakened, divided states with bitter grudges against each other that can be easily played to chaos is bad for the Dominion?

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>>381943039
>Reminder that the Khajit weren't even cats until Morrowind
Who is S'rathra for 500, Alex.

>>381943223
Yes, skipping redguard makes me a newfag

I suppose I should be playing ESO and find my old phone that had Oblivion mobile on it too

>>381943237
Standard Imperial weaponry was steel, though. Only their armor was reinforced leather and shit with steel reserved mostly for officers.

>>381942536
The Hist forsaw the Oblivion Crisis, and telepathically called every Argonian back to Black Marsh. Once almost every single Argonian was back in their homeland, the Hist had them drink some special sap that changed them, made them stronger and faster and more deadly. It's why Argonians look so much more reptilian in Skyrim than the reptile-amphibian hybrids from Oblivion and Morrowind - they're literally on tree steroids. Couple this with the An-Xileel taking power and massively promoting Argonian nationalism where before Argonians were mainly together in tribal groups (Fun fact: Most Argonian slaves were not taken by conquest, but rather bought from other Argonians), and you have a race of pissed off, ultra-nationalist lizards who have been oppressed by every single race on Nirn in some way or another (except cats), and now they have the power and the inclination to pay every single one back ten-fold for the insults dealt to their predecessors. Fourth era is the Era of the Root, and the Hist will dominate Nirn again.

>>381943370

battle-hardened , independent states who are all incredibly antagonistic to the dominion is bad for the dominion yes

>>381942695
Halflings that bribe everyone with food, Stirland and Averland are known for hating them.

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>>381932775
Talos was a Breton, this is pretty much the "WE WUZ KINGS" of Skyrim.

>>381939180
>Ulfric Trump
>A Thalmor asset
>reading comprehension

We've been over this. The only reason he's an "asset" to the Thalmor is because they coincidentally benefit from his war with the Empire, which weakens the both the human factions. Because of this the Thalmor want him alive so they can keep fighting their war for as long as possible, keeping the both of them too cucked to bring the fight to the Thalmor.

>>381942792
I mean, they do things, it's just that they're typically FAR disconnected from wherever they're at in the game itself.

Forgot what the daggerfall and Arena guys end up doing but Nerevarine books it for Akavir and is never seen again while the Hero of Kvatch becomes a fucking daedric prince and loses his mind within the next century due to the curse of sheogorath.

>>381942195
I think I read somewhere that skyrim's tower is still intact. Though even if it is it'll just get THALMOR'D offscreen since they already had their game and won't get any more focus.

>>381943532
>Talos was a Breton
Talos was from Akavir, wasn't he?

>>381943532
>>>/pol/ babydick

>>381943260
You mean like they're steamrolling Hammerfell?

>>381943697
So easy to trigger you my man.

>>381943694
Atmora, you dumb fuck.

>>381943694
George Washington was from Britian, is he not also the most true American?

>>381943580
They never do anything that could help Tamriel outside of what happens during the Event, though.
The Arena guy disappears; Daggerfall guy dies; Nerevarine completely forgets about Morrowind during the Oblivion Crisis and then disappears into Akavir; CoC gets buttfucked by a Daedra and the LBD is probably under Herma-Mora's control now.

>>381943463
The actual quality was more like iron, at least the forged Imperial armor pieces. The Imperial styled pieces were noticeably better.

>>381943580
The Arena guy gets a cushy job next to the emperor, I think. And the Agent from Daggerfall dies when he gets Roflstomped by Numidium.
>>381943721
Hammerfell only survived because the Empire kept 2 legions in Hammerfell to fight the Dominion.

>>381932346
Queers still talking about skyrim too

>>381943083
Rebels can win the war with local support .It could be like fall of rome.

>>381943879
I thought the Champion of Cyrodil became the new Sheogorath

>>381943721
nigga were going in circles now
>empire is needed to repel knifears
>what about hammerfell?
>its still there because the empire helped

>>381943879
>LBD is probably under Herma-Mora's control now.
Canon dragonborn is female and Herma-Mora is putting all those doujins he's been hoarding to the test

>>381943509
>battle-hardened
that's not how war works
if your casualties from a war of independence are 25% of your fighting force, that's 25% fewer troops you can deploy. Not to mention financial cost, and general morale of the population. Being "battle-hardened" isn't going to help with any of that

>>381943694
>>381943816
No, he's from Alcaire, northern High Rock.
>>381944008
Yeah, well, that's the "buttfucked by Daedra" part. He didn't exactly have a choice in becoming the Mad God, he was pretty much tricked into it.

>>381943832
>is he not also the most true American?
No that's Richard Nixon: https://m.fanfiction.net/s/11261355/39/

>>381944114
Arcturian-tier post

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>>381932346
>Siding with either side
Haha, no

Imperials
We just tried to kill you, but join us because blue is the color of faggots and stormcloaks. Also they said you were stupid, and they suck, now go fight the war for us faggot.

>Stormcloaks
Follow us and help us kill every imperial supporter every elf, every black guy, every non Nord, every Nord and everything else.
Also I fairly fought the old king, so fuck you. Now go fight the war for us faggot.

Or
>Join neither side, ignore both sides forever

>>381937549
>The High King was killed legally
>Using the voice
>Which Ulfric had previously vowed never to kill with

WE WUZ HONORABLE

>>381943923
>>381944058
knowing how much imperials crave elf cock, i wouldn't be surprised if those legions did more harm than good, tbqh

>>381943508
That's pretty fucking metal. Why don't the alien trees get involved more often?

>>381944110

>implying they're going to lose 25 percent lul

There isn't even any red or white terror in skyrim, this civil war is incredibly civil, Having veterans add a backbone to your army and train new recruits is a benefit

The imperials are mainly non-nords so they won't come close to losing 25 percent of their fighting force

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>>381943984
Like other anons said before, half of Skyrim still opposes Ulfric, there won't be as many local support as you think.
>>381944195
I kek'd.

>>381943694
>>381944114
"Tiber Septim, also known as General Talos, Hjalti Early-Beard, the Dragonborn, and Ysmir, was an emperor of Nordic descent who became one of the most famed figures in Tamrielic history, reigning as Emperor Tiber Septim from 2E 854-3E 38.[1] Believed to have been born in the Nordic continent of Atmora in 2E 828..."

>>381937549
>agree to arm-wrestle with someone
>bring a gun and fucking shoot him
>"It was honorable guys I swear"

>>381944110
Also nords are fucking awful at warfare because they're proud, tradition-bound fuckwits who have all but forgotten about proper tactics since all the good tacticians have left to join the empire long ago.

There hasn't been a war between holds in fuck knows how long. Past the city guard, the nords don't even have a unified army since that's meant to be the legion.

Who the fuck is going to replace those hundreds of thousands of legionnaires ? Ulfric's fuckboys ? The drunken shitlords over at the companions who are too busy yiffing to do anything useful ?

>>381944265

>let the civil war drag on

Actually the worst choice that helps the dominion the most

>>381944301
They only care about their own survival. As far as they are concerned, all of Mundus could be falling apart and on fire but as long as they are still alive everything's fine.

>>381943697
mmm I smell the butthurt of a negro

>>381944501

>not realising most of the stormcloaks are veterans from the dominion war

lul, The nords are perfectly geared to resist a dominion invasion

>>381944524
so the next elder scrolls game is going to be argonians getting turned into mindless elf-holocaust machines?

>>381944430
>believed to
That's the key part of the sentence, like most of the TES lore it suffers from the unreliable narrator trope. There are dozens of legends about Tiber Septim out there (a lot is Nord propaganda) but there is only one truth:

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Arcturian_Heresy

The empire is an important faction in every elder scrolls, the stormcloaks will never be mentioned after Skyrim. I bet the empire wins canonically so they can take on the thalmor.

>>381944663
The dominion war where even with the support of the legion they they got their shit fireballed in/

>>381944518
I tend to play a dragonborn who doesn't give a shit about either sides because as the dark elves put it, it's not their fight. Like why would the dovahkiin care ? He's supposed to go kill Alduin and prevent the end of the world, not help some dumb shitlords resolve their petty squabbling.

>>381944663
So, old and bitter fucks who lost the war ?

Not exactly your best show of force when your "best" soldiers are 50-something tired men who live in a frozen shithole.

>>381944518
Not my war, im an innocent wood elf archer turned heavy armor tank turned archmage im not even from nordland

So yeah fuck'em

Also, Dominion won't last forever

>>381944807

Yes by following imperial commanders that were afraid of a total war and instead buckled when the going got hot

>>381944701
Probably not, it only happens when the Hist is directly threatened like during the Oblivion Crisis. Thought the Argonians could play a really big role in the next TES since the have one of the most powerful military out there and could possibly take on the Dominion.

>>381937138
THE NOSE KNOWS

>>381944932
exactly. they have the least to lose and thus will fight the hardest.

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>>381944816
>as the dark elves put it, it's not their fight
This is complete fucking bullshit.
Why WOULDN'T the Dunmer side with the Stormcloaks?
The Empire completely and utterly abandoned the Dark Elves after the fall of Lie Rock and the Invasion of the Daedra AND the explosion of Red Mountain.
The Dunmer should have an absolute burning hatred for the Empire but it isn't shown in game.

>>381944301
>Alien trees

The hist were the first sentient beings to inhabit Tamriel, and at one point covered the entire continent of Nirn. But they really don't care, and are more than happy to chill out in their swamps while Men and Elves fuck around and kill eachother.

>>381944932

>its just 50 dudes

Guys cmon, gameplay restrictions =/= lore , kids aren't actually immortal in TES lore

>>381945039
>innocent wood elf
You're part of the Dominion and probably a cannibal too so don't go all "innocent" on me.

>>381944403
25 is a spitball number. The point is by fighting a civil war the costs are going to be heavy, with many veterans becoming crippled, economies becoming depressed, and resources being drained. It doesn't matter how strong your "veterans" are, it's not enough to make up for the things you lost getting there.

>>381945160
I thought the Dominion was just high elves?

>>381945272
Altmer, Bosmer and the Khajiit.

>>381945096
Well Ulfric treats them like utter dogshit to begin with. The Empire may have been dicks to them on an ideological level but right now it's Ulfric who's refusing to do anything with the Grey Quarters, forcing them live in a cesspool.

>>381945152
Meant 50 as in their age, not their number.

>>381945152
I'm pretty sure he means their age.

>>381932346
>Ulfric is a Thalmor plant to destabilise the empire
>Dirty Redguards decide to chimp out and riot also destabilise the empire

>>381945042
as opposed to the great strategic minds of the stormcloaks, which include "autistic tard mobbing" and

>>381943054
No it isn't. Elisif has a claim because she inherited the Jarldom as Toryggs wife and thus can vote and be voted for. The Moot is always held, it's just that like with periods in the Holy Roman Empire, it typically falls to dynasties of rulers until someone in line fucks up and the Jarls pick someone else.

>Stormcloaks have WOMEN as foot soldiers
How desperate do you have to be to let your women die instead of your men?

>>381945096
What are you on about? The Dunmer have always had hatred for the Empire (except Hlaalu cucks, good riddance) and it shows the most in Morrowind.
Besides, Morrowind has always been an Imperial province in name only, the Empire only had a few troops there (mostly Hlaalu) territory but Morrowind was probably one of the most "free" provinces in all of Tamriel, they have always been out for themselves.
The Dunmer and Nords have been historical enemies multiple times and the Redoran was fighting with them a while ago so the chances of them joining up isn't so good. Though they have done it before in the past so it might happen again.

>>381944278
>Which Ulfric had previously vowed never to kill with
No he didn't. Ulfric was never a Greybeard. He was only ever a student at High Hrothgar learning to control the voice until he got sick of their isolationism.

Seeing as this is a Skyrim thread, could someone explain why guards attack only when I enter Dragonsearch? Can't progress. Playing the retarded PS3 version currently.

>>381945362

Stormcloak war doctrine is small unit groups having incredible amounts of strategic and tactical freedom while fighting in a non-conventional way against an enemy in a hostile terrain ?

Sounds pretty good

>>381945096
They don't though because the Champion of Cyrodiil is a Dunmer

>>381945409
It's sign enough that the moot saw Ulfric's actions and immediately decided to unanimously call him out on his bullshit. Especially when Torygg welcomed him with open arms, absolutely willing to listen, and the old shitstain greeted him back with a surprise fus ro dah to the chest before cleaving his head off with an axe.

Ulfric's a fucking asshole.

>>381944816
Ulfric treats the dunmer like shit, siding with the empire is to their benefit

>>381945332
>Well Ulfric treats them like utter dogshit to begin with
He's the only Jarl to even let them in.
How is that "treating them as dogshit"?

>>381945550
>playing bethesda games on anything other than pc
It's common Bethesda bugs, reload some saves and punch your console hard enough and it will work again.

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>>381945445
I meant in Skyrim. In Morrowind hatred for the Empire is shown clearly but in Skyrim the Dunmer are fence-sitters with no strong opinion one way or another. It's stupid, even if it's not hundreds of Dunmer joining up with the Stormcloaks there should at least be some dialogue about Dark Elves complaining about the abandonment.

>>381945051
The Aldmeri dominion tried to bring the An-Xileel under their influence, but the lizards told them to fuck off because they didn't care about their dumb elf shit. That being said, as the dominions main goal is to literally erase reality or something like that, I'm sure that Argonians would side with the empire. But as equals, not as slaves.

>>381945582

Torygg was to cowardly to fight a duel and deserved to be put down, he is a supporter of the Thalmor allowing them to work unchecked in Skyrim

>>381945656

You realise Ulfric is the only one actually taking Dunmer refugees from morrowind ?

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>>381945096
Are you actually fucking retarded?
The Stromcloaks are extremely xenophobic, this is shown (and stated) time and time again throughout the game. Why join a faction that sees you as a lesser creature, especially when you're a part of the Dunmer master race.

>>381945349
>""""stable"""" empire
>literally obligated to forfeit swathes of land to the kike elves

>>381945797

>Stormcloaks are extremely xenophobic

lol nice thalmor propaganda you're pushing you fucking shill

>>381945707
Yeah there isn't much dialogue about them complaining about the Empire (in fact they seem to side with them as spies because they are sick of the Stormcloaks' racist views).
Though, like I said, there wasn't really "an abandonment" since the Empire was never really there to begin with. The only ones you would see complaining about being abandoned are the Hlaalu since they based 100% of their House structure and politics around the Empire.

>>381945582
Half the Jarls support Ulfric's actions and the other half don't. Torygg was challenged to a Nordic duel as is every Jarls right to challenge the High King to precisely to make sure a weak or infirm king doesn't maintain the throne and weaken the nation. Torygg accepted, possibly without knowing the consequences because he's an Imperial boot licker, lost, and then Toryggs imperial court tried to have Ulfric executed.

>>381945318
The Altmer just exploit the cats and the wood elves for labor and resources, they don't care about them at all. They're even getting up to some cheeky ethnic cleansing in Valenwood, although some say its just genociding non-dominion supporters

>>381945553
"incredible amounts of strategic and tactical freedom" like "screeching human wave"? Even ulfric, the charismatic figure they've formed around, relied heavily on the voice to win his battles.

>>381945685
Ulfric didn't let them in. His predecessors did. Ulfric's too busy playing pretend-king to help them at all, and the grey quarter has been in an advanced state of disrepair since the Dunmer first took refuge in Skyrim.

Not to mention that they were given an entire island to live on. Skyrim completely relegated ownership of Solstheim to the Dark Elves after the eruption of red mountain.

>>381945656
They however aren't siding with the empire because they don't necessarily want to shit on Ulfric. They're still grateful for even having a home so most of them want to stay neutral out of respect for both the nords and for the empire.

Like the Dunmer don't feel concerned by the whole shitshow that is the civil war. They owe the hold of Eastmarch, they don't owe Ulfric any matter of personal debt.

>>381945905
It's true, though. They isolated the Dunmer to one quarter of the city and don't even let the beast races inside the city walls.
Not that I don't agree with them, but yeah it's pretty xenophobic.

>>381945445
Those Hlaalu cucks became the most powerful and profitable house in Morrowind by playing the Empire against the rest of the Great Houses. If the Empire hadn't pulled out because of the Oblivion crisis (something no one but the Hist could have predicted) then Hlaalu would have their own Empire in Morrowind. You gotta respect that hussle, even if the "all in" never payed off.

>>381945418
Whats the matter? Can't handle the sight of a Strong Nord Woman?

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>>381945797
Folks like to pretend Ulfric is some kind of huge racist s'wit for putting the Dark Elves and Argonians in separate districts.

First of all, letting any outlander take residence in your city is clearly a big fucking deal to these people, since you have to fight a war, kill a dragon, or clear out a vampire den to be even be considered worthy of purchasing a home in any hold of Skyrim. For the Dark Elves to have been allowed into the city in mass numbers to become a real minority, they couldn't have all done massive Dragonborn-level quests, and were probably let in based on nothing more than the kindness of the Nords hearts in the first fucking place, as a special exception. Being bigoted against them isn't warranted or anything, but to act like they have no reason to fight in the name of their new home is to show some serious lack of appreciation on their part.

Secondly, separating the Argonians and the Dark Elves is a really, really good idea if you know their history (something skyrimbabbies don't). In the ESIII Morrowind days, Dark Elves, including 2 of the 3 houses excluding Rhedoran, traded Argonians around as slaves. Shortly after the Oblivion Crisis, Argoninas took their revenge by invading Morrowind, and doing a damned good job of it too. If there are any two races that hate each other in TES (besides the Nords and the Altmer)(and the Bretons and the Orcs), it's those two. Keep them the hell apart!

The only legitimate instance of Ulfic being a racist is in Free-Winters' dialogue, where he says Ulfric doesn't stop criminals from preying on the elves. Other evidence of this? None. But why would he lie? He has nothing to gain by making Ulfic look like a bad guy and turning people toward the Legion. It's not like he'd get anything out of- Oh wait.

>>381945774
Skyrim is the closest place to morrowind. They aren't even going to Cyrodiil or anywhere else as refugees

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>>381945797
>Oppress Khajiits and Argonians for years
>Put them into Slavery
>Scatter your homeland like roaches
>Flee to Skyrim, knowing full well it's filled with people that hate you
>Cry about them being Xenophobic despite being from the most xenophobic province

>>381945797
It's just from what they are, right? Not how they act or what their prejudices may be?
How is Nord racism exceptional from the racism seen anywhere else.
This is Elder Scrolls. EVERYBODY is racist, the difference is the more urban races like Imperials and Bretons mask it, and actually the Dunmer are more racist than Nords by a huge margin.

The Grey Quarter is the way it is because nobody there has to pay tax. Parcelling off an entire fraction of your city to foreigners is perhaps the most generous thing that could have been done given the circumstances.
From the beginning it was a zone for Dunmer to call their own, and its deteriorated from poor management by the Dunmer. Want the Stormcloaks to provide sanitation and public order? Pay your fucking taxes.

And the Argonians are kept to the docks because if they were allowed in the city there'd be a literal race war between them and the Dunmer. They fucking the each other after their long feuding history.
Blaming all these long-standing issues on Ulfric being a big meanie is about the most stupid conclusion you could possibly come to after finishing all the quests.

>>381945905
You haven't played the game have you?
You're gonna use the "/v/ doesn't play games" meme in order to not look like a fucking retard, aren't you?

>>381946124
All their success is based on what the Empire was accomplishing, they just sit back and jewed on the riches while not giving a shit about GREAT RESDAYNIA
I'm glad they are gone.

>>381946028

Game mechanics can't accurately show the battles

>>381946104

Other people haven't even allowed Dunmer into cities, How are the nords more xenophobic for actually taking in refugees ?

Yeah its easy to not seem racist when you don't allow them into your cities, of course taking in refugees causes social unrest but that in of itself doesn't imply extreme xenophobia

>>381946236

See
>>381946342


The other jarls and empire are refusing dunmer refugees while Ulfric has given them land and other welfare grants while seperating them from their enemies the argonians

>>381946342
I'm not referring to game mechanics, I"m referring to the accounts of Ulfric's leadership style. If the stormcloaks were anywhere near as good at actual tactics in hostile territory as you claim they were, he wouldn't have been so easily captured at the border.

>>381946161
Ulfric isn't racist, but the Nords in Windhelm are. The beast races are kept outside the city for their own safety.