I don't know much about science, but can someone explain

You'd need infinite polygons.

>>381896660
Why not just use circles instead of polygons?

>>381896775
Circles can't be calculated mathematically. See the digits of pi for reference. An approximation must always be made.

this might be the dumbest thread I've seen in a while

>>381896861
I don't understand how that shit equates to video games, though.

We can have nuclear bombs and shit but we can't find a way to generate a circle in a video game?

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>>381896861

So they use Approximate circles?

>>381897016
They have found a way. It's just an approximation though.

>>381897085
Approximately.

>>381897016
yes, that's exactly it. We can't. Pi is an irrational number. No matter what you do, you can never calculate it. That's it.

>>381897085
>>381897089
What do you guys mean?

How do you approximate a circle?

>>381897089
Even the circle you posted OP is not perfect.

>>381896510
You realize this very picture you uploaded is in itself made of up "straight lines" (pixels), right? It's because of the fundamental way computers and digital data work.

>>381897174
By assuming people aren't going to be examining each pixel looking for the perfect curve.

>>381897231
I never said it was perfect, I just googled "circle" so you would get the idea

>>381896861
>>381897141

Then surely the simple answer is to get rid of mathematics and replace it with a superior system that can generate a circle, like some sort of Super-Mathematics with the old system being called Approximate-Mathematics!

>>381897267
>By using polygons

>>381897359
You're welcome to do that. Maybe try common core.

>>381897359
Cool. I'm looking forward to seeing your work on this.

Good question OP. I actually work as a lead programmer at Ubisoft. You draw me a perfect circle and I'll work my hardest to include it in our future games.

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>>381896510
>>381896775
>>381897016
>>381897141
this isnt even b8

>>381897359
Ah, yes. Reinvent mathematics which have evolved and studied over literally thousands of years.
Easy, right?

>>381897350
Get what idea? The idea that you barely have an elementary school level understanding of mathematics?

I refuse to believe there are people over 18 this dense.

I don't get why other people don't think about this or are bothered by it.

Are there at least scientists working on this problem? I only have a psychology degree, but if I went back to school for mathematics would I be able to solve this problem on my own if no one else is working on it? Could I base an entire career on it?

Well, considering how utterly and absolutely humorless the shitposting on this board has been over the last few years, this thread is at least comedy gold.

>>381897693
>Are there at least scientists working on this problem?

How important do you think this is in the grand scheme of things? Who do you think this kind of shit is important to?

>>381897791
Aren't there probably a ton of practical applications to this technology?

If it's that hard to solve, I'm sure it goes way beyond just putting proper circles in video games.

>>381897693
You realize there are no real, perfect circles in real life too? They just look like circles but in truth they have angles too. The circle only exist in your mind.

>>381897693
>Psychology degree
HOLY FUCKING KEK

>this thread
Americans

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>>381897590
>>381897427

On it right now, I've got some free time today and tomorrow. So I'm sure I can get a good grasp on the theory of, what I've chose to call Perfect-Mathematics.

Gonna start with the number Zero and begin with redefining it.

>>381898029
>Late afternoon in eurocuckland
Uh-huh

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>>381897607
>>381897231
that's an .svg tho

>>381897965
If you think you with your below-basic understanding of mathematics can do what professional mathematicians haven't been able to do for thousands of years, sure. Go for it.

>>381897965
>probably a ton of practical applications

What practical applications could there be from this? How useful would those be?

I wouldn't want to bother with it honestly. The approximations done today work well enough for what they are used for that there's no pressing need to go beyond that. Sure, you could research it, publish a textbook on it, teach a class at a shitty university on how to make the perfect circle in a digital format but who is going to care?

What I'm trying to say is its probably not being researched because people see that kind of thing as a waste of resources and time. And it would be folly to chase after it because all you'd come out with is a slightly useful thing only a few unimportant people in the world would care about.

>>381898247
So people HAVE at least been working on this problem for thousands of years?

>>381898123
Which is still based on individual points being connected, just like polygons.

What ever happened with NURBS real-time rendering?

>>381898338
In a way, yes.
But like anons said, we've never been able to calculate perfect circles. Only approximations.
And it's gonna be like that for a while.

>>381898430
Holy shit, is that that scam system based on the tiny grains of sand, illustrated with the elephant statue? I had forgotten about that!

Now that I think about it, today's graphics look better than that 'revolutionary technology' ever did.

Got a link to that video?

On a scale of "perfect circle to 10", how retarded is OP?

>>381898732
It was an Australian company. Of course it was a scam.

>>381898045
Don't forget to invent a new kind of display that doesn't use pixels so that your circles stay perfect when their inn the screen

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Okay, first off I've come to the conclusion that the number zero must go if Perfect-Mathematics is to get off the ground.

Due to Quantum Particles borrowing energy from the future that means that zero as a concept should be gone in Perfect-Mathematics and is the big downfall of Approximate-Mathematics and why it is so flawed.

With this as the first step, I believe the perfect circle can be done.

This is gonna be the new 'smart question, dumb answer' copypasta isn't it?

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>>381897652
Oh trust me there are a lot more than you think anon. Most days I try and forget I'm living on a planet populated by complete idiots.

>>381899434
This is going to take a monumental effort. You should start a Kickstarter

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>>381899434
Keep it up anon, you're on to something revolutionary here.

>>381899434
>No identity for addition
>No place holder for writing numbers down

Daily reminder that the concept of being infinitely close to something is inherently absurd. Calculus is therefore just a tool (((they))) fabricated to make academia easier to control and us neither accurate nor mathamatically rigorous. The Greek mathamaticians of old would agree with me, and spurn this modern pseudomathamatical garbage.

>>381898732
>>381899152
Turns our NURBS wasn't what I was thinking of, but this video was insane bullshit.

Instead of lines, they claimed to sculpt in 3D grains or atoms or something. They illustrated it with an elephant statue and a tree.

Man, I'd love to see that video again.

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>>381896510
gamedev here

>I don't know much about science, but can someone explain to me why video games have so much difficulty generating a circle?

3D
The most commonly used rendering techniques use triangles to generate 3D shapes. Each triangle is stored as 3 edges. Each edge is stored as 2 points. Everything in-game must be composed of triangles - even circles.

In 2D, one can just draw as perfect of circle as the pixel resolution permits. 2D also has the possibility of vector graphics, which can make all sort perfect shapes.

However, there actually is a way to generate perfect circles and/or spheres. Its called "raycasting" rendering. It works by shooting out one ray for each on-screen pixel and detecting with what colored surface it bumped into and then turns that pixel into that color. The rays can be even made to bounce, which will generate 100% accurate mirrors. Then one has to determine, how many bounces is too many bounces.

How that raycasting can do circles and spheres perfectly? Each circle or sphere is represented by its formula and its attributes like radius and position. When the ray is cast, it is calculated whether the ray intersects that sphere or not. And if it does, then the point of intersection is calculated. Then the light sources are considered in relation to that intersection point to determine the brightness of that point. Then the pixel is colored accordingly.

You can go as close to the sphere as you want, it will still not display any visible polygons.

However, that rendering technique is VERY demanding. It is so demanding that rendering a 4K picture can take minutes. Thus, that rendering technique is only used in applications where framerate is not important, like final rendering of a disney animation.

This rendering technique could work if players would be willing to limit themselves to 600x480 screens.

>>381900116
lolnerd

>>381899998
>The Greek mathamaticians of old would agree with me
They'd also disagree with the concept of the square root of two you massive faggot.
>Newton
>Leibniz
>Jewish
I know full well I'm taking bait here, but maths bait pisses me off

>>381900116
Cool, so we can get perfect circles in video games in about 30 years.

>>381896775
because modern videogame engines can only render flat surfaces, all of the rounded edges you see are flat edges placed to look circular

since, to a computer, a circle is a one sided object (because it loops infinitely) it can't render it. you can create models of circles if you place the polygons correctly, but it can render and entire circle, because it can only render flat sides

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>>381899617

I may do this, but I want to get the groundwork down first so people know it's not a scam.

>>381899693

Thanks for the support.

Now, I believe with this in mind we get onto the first problem which is how we can control when the energy is 'borrowed'. The less time the energy is borrowed, the more that can be borrowed. With this in mind I believe if we create what I will name, for now, the 'Variable Zero' as the core of Perfect-Mathematics.

The 'Variable Zero' is the idea that, with the right piece of technology we could control this borrowing allowing us to dictate exactly how much 'Variable Zero' is worth.

It is my believe that doing this will allow us to rid the problem of making the perfect circle as I propose that the perfect circle is unable to be done due to fluxations in energy that stop the perfection from happening.

>>381900528
it can't render an entire circle*

>>381900079
It was called "Unlimited Detail" by Euclideon

>>381898123
what the hell am i watching and why am i erect?

>>381900079
>>381899152
>>381898732
>>381898430
Fucking found it.

Boys, why use polygons when you can use UNLIMITED DETAIL OF ATOMS??

https://youtu.be/00gAbgBu8R4

(This video is six years old and we are still not using this dev team.)

>>381900116
Why are game devs always so fucking entitled?
They always have to announce themselves with "gamedev here" or "as a game developer".
Generally all artists do this.
It drives me up the fucking wall.

>>381901069
To indicate they know what they're talking about compared to your hot steamy assumptions

>>381901046
It's fine for static, unmoving and uninteractable environments. But as soon as you try to implement any sort of gameplay inside that shit it takes a dump all over you. It can't render the entire world several times a second. It takes hours to do what you already see.

>>381898123
Is this french cartoon or not?

>>381898123
At any rate it's still displayed on a screen using pixels

>>381901274
Looks like a french bra commercial.

>>381901214
>To indicate they know what they're talking about
Holistic medicine crystal energy healer here, modern medicine is bogus.

>>381901214
In this case, sure.
But I have seen many situations where they first announce what they are, then either say something completely irrelevant or show that they have no fucking clue what they're talking about.

>>381897965
>Aren't there probably a ton of practical applications to this technology?
No

>>381901069
>Why are game devs always so fucking entitled?
A better question would be following?
Why do you feel inferior because of that?

>>381899578
This is exactly what a child would say.

>Hurr I'm so great and everyone else is so shit why am I so much better than all these sheep I'm so superior hurr

When you grow up you realize you're a piece of shit just like every other human on this planet. And your accomplishments will be shit, just like your contribution to society.

>>381896775
there are NURBs instead of polygons which are used in CAD
but we cannot use NURBs in gamedev and 3d rendering yet

>>381901046
Holy fuck did they intentionally look for the guy with the most stuck-up and obnoxious voice?

>>381901527
Because I'm one myself.
I hate it when people brag about being a gamedev because I know there's nothing to fucking brag about.

>>381899434
whats wrong with that dolf

>>381899434
you can't remove 0 or binary and computer codes wouldn't exist, we would have to reinvent every piece of modern tech because you want to make it easier to render a perfect circle

>>381901770
You should see one of their newer presentations.

Same voice, different last name, new pixels.

https://youtu.be/5AvCxa9Y9NU

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Someone explain what I'm looking at here.
The fug are these curved lines?

>>381896510
Yes.

>>381902048
Wouldn't you just use 1 and 2 instead of 1 and 0?

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>>381900116
i feel glad when someone responds to bait with a constructive response that not only satisfies the fictitious post but also adds positively to the discussion and teaches me something new.
Thank you.

>>381896510
The circle in your picture is made of swuares though...

>>381901775
>I hate it when people brag
by your own standard, you are also now bragging, since according to you, any mention of one's profession is bragging

>>381897693
>Could I base an entire career on it?

yep, the government will throw money at you too. Since you feasibly can't solve it that's free money until you die.

Math degree is scummiest degree

>>381902184
A lot of polygons arranged in such a way that it appears as a curve to the naked eye.

>>381897652
Just start asking people why the sky is blue

Try not to kill yourself after 10 consecutive wrong answers

>>381902184
A wireframe of a subdivided mesh.
It's basically showing how the polygons were placed before the mesh was subdivided.
The lines are curved to show how these individual polygons have been smoothed.

>>381902624
Forgot to mention it's also known as isoline display.

>>381902391
Honestly working in academia isn't worth it

>>381902321
To explain myself..
I only hate it when it has no relevancy whatsoever.
In this case the guy had a reason to state it, sure.
But that's not always the case.

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>>381901837

Think he's embarrassed

>>381902048

We can remove it when we move onto the 'Variable' system instead of using Binary. I would like to think it's be a slow process of new/superior technology phasing out the old not a complete destruction and starting from zero.

>>381902241

I actually believe using the 'Variable' system, derived from Perfect-Mathematics' and using the technology to control 'borrowed energy' we could have computers that code with the 'Variable Zero' and 1's.

>>381897359
>fundamental feature of a circle is that the ratio of circumference to diameter is transcendental
>"just remake math"

>>381903184
I know you're waiting for someone to ask so

isn't "Variable Zero" just a 0

>>381897693
Because we can make an approximation so good no one can tell that it's an approximation. That's called success.
>social "scientists"

>>381903412
well then you just use a base pi number system dumbass

lmao dude i bet you can't even square a circle

>>381896510
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMe4kVNKvNk

This will answer everything.

>>381897557
>im gonna pretend to play surprised so people think im smart

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>>381903459

'Variable Zero' is in essence never zero but an actual amount. As I described earlier I believe that the perfect circle is impossible due to the fact that we can't control 'borrowed energy' which interferes with the perfection.

So with the right technology we could control this interfering energy and make it what we want for the time we need it, which is why 'Variable Zero' could never be zero. As of this point I don't know exactly how we should number the energy borrowed as we'd need to find the upper limits to what we could borrow, as the rules seem right now we can borrow more the less time we need it but it must always return within a certain timeframe.

To keep it simple I believe measuring it in 0.1, 0.2 etc would be too simplistic and so I propose that the 'Variable Zero be shown as 0!1. 0!2 the ! can refer to the borrowing of energy from the future. So we could have 0!5 + 2 = 2!5, this is a rough example of 'Perfect Mathematics' as it is still in its infant stage. We would also know how long the 'borrowed energy' was borrowed due to the number.

>>381905019
>To keep it simple I believe measuring it in 0.1, 0.2 etc would be too simplistic and so I propose that the 'Variable Zero be shown as 0!1.

But I just thought you said there would be no zeros, but there are lots of zeros in that paragraph.

>>381901046
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_BP10zzPCA
neat

>>381905019

Sir are you suggesting time travel

IN MY MATH?

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>>381905675

Zero would still exist however with 'Variable Zero' it's more that its value would never be counted in 'Perfect-Mathematics'. You could easily do !5+2= 2!5 and it's the same but to express the concept at this early stage putting zero in front of !5 (0!5) is the easiest way to show the process.

>>381906330

I suppose but it's more controlling a force from the future which I believe interferes with the attempt of making a perfect circle.

Quake 3 had true curved surfaces decades ago.

>>381907075
liar
I don't remember you mom being in it

>>381898029
That's an interesting way of spelling "Africans".

>>381906839
Pretending to be retarded isn't funny, dude.

>>381898123
Source?

>>381908330
Just google the thumbnail

why vidya with vector graphics isn't a thing since 80s anyway?

>>381908330
https://www.youtube.com/watch/?v=SkwZHXZqrwY
It's in the title. If there isn't a title option, go get 4chanx

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>>381896510
It's a Jewish conspiracy. ((((They)))) don't want us to see circles because time is a flat circle and that's the key to being redpilled.

>>381898123

fucking sluts man.

>>381908727
3D IS vector based you schlong