Remember when From Software made innovate games that took many

>>381803061
The only reason they were so experimental with DeS is because they thought the game was gonna fail anyways. Now the have a financial expectation on them, they can't afford to fuck up

>>381803061
My main thing with DaS3 and BB is the complete lack of any of the weird, charming mechanics that the previous games had.

What happened to my vagrants? My ant-mother? World Tendency? That tree that you whip and it repairs your weapons? Ash Lake?

At least BB is stylish and has a fantastic atmosphere. There was no love in DaS3

>>381803061
You aren't the only one that watched the mathewmatosis video>>381803061
.

>>381803916
exactly. What creative new idea did Dark Souls 3 do? Game is just a soulless rehash of Dark Souls 1 with a mix of Bloodborne in it. Game completely lacks creativity.

>>381803061
I agree Matthew Matosis. What is up btw. I see you like posting on /v/ a lot.

>>381803258
>you are not allowed to innovate if your games sell well

This is why the gaming industry is in an absolutely cancerous state.

>>381803061
Hey OP, have you played Armored Core or King's Field? Or is this just a shitposting thread?

>>381803061
Nigga why do you forget about milking KF4.
>make same games that sell moderatly well for their budget
>try new thing for next gen
>take KF, make it 3d and add some stuff to it since KF wouldn't work on next gen anymore
>it's finally successfull a successful game
>get contract from Bamco

Nigga if you get offer for a better paying job will you stay at shittier one?

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>>381803061
>DeS was the best Souls game because it took risks and wasn't afraid to have new innovative ideas and mechanics even if those ideas were rough and unpolished because at least they were experimental while the later Souls games are more formulaic.
>I don't like that they got rid of shields, changed the healing system, and reduced the emphasis on the RPG elements in BB.
Really makes you think...

>>381808673
>removed mechanics and made the game more shallow
>"taking risks and having new innovative ideas"

>>381807504
Every time I look at a video of King's Field I just can't imagine how people could even like such slow boring looking gameplay. Armored Core looks a lot better but it has that niche of being mecha games. So I'm not sure if I'd like it or not but it does look cool.

>>381803061
I, too, watched the newest Matthewmatosis video.

>>381808883
removing shields which was used as a crutch by most players and encouraged passive, boring play was a risk, but ultimately made the game better.

>>381809926
We all did bro...

In all seriousness though it isn't like he was wrong. That also doesn't mean the later Souls games were bad either.

>>381810681
It just made parrying safer. The loss of a block option is more than made up for with your increased mobility. I'm not saying I disagree with the decision, but I don't think From deserves a lot of credit for "innovating" there.

>>381808673
This.

I actually agree with him regarding DeS but he's being a bit of a retard with BB.

No Matthew, removing shields (which still actually exist, they just have more niche purposes) didn't actually make BB have less depth and shrugging off the moveset diversity of BB by saying "all these moves just do damage or sometimes hitstun" is a huge oversimplification.

>>381810946
>It just made parrying safer.

Can't quite understand why people say this when you still usually need to be straight up in front of an enemy while he's taking a swing at you in order to parry an enemy, which is exactly how it works in every other Souls game.

>>381811630
>and shrugging off the moveset diversity of BB by saying "all these moves just do damage or sometimes hitstun" is a huge oversimplification.

Explain

>>381803061
>Dark Souls 3 feels incredibly soulless. Like the soul of the game is lost when the series got popular.

God when will this shitty meme die? DaS3 is fucking fantastic.

>>381811630
So what niche purpose does the wooden plank shield have?

>>381812474
yeah no buddy

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>tfw nothing will ever top ash lake

even before it, has any game created a moment like this?

>>381803061
There's nothing wrong with sequels when people are wanting more.

>>381812819
Pla against a BoMr1 spammer or anyone with a gun that isn't the cannon

>>381813410
So it is effectively PvP only then?

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>>381803061
>ride the difficulty bandwagon
>when DS3 is the easiest game in the series

>>381813163
Nope

You are right. That area was so amazing seeing it for the first time. I got to see it on my second playthrough. Never knew of the area on my first playthrough.

>>381813564
Also NPC hunters

>>381812358
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np5PdpsfINA&t=5m27s

>>381813564
Hence the usage of the word "niche", though it may work with NPC hunters (not sure).

>>381803258
This makes no sense. Why make something you expect to fail and lose money on?

>>381811630
i love bb but the combat has no depth at all

so do you guys often let other people do your thinking for you or is this a new meme

>>381813810
No I meant you explain why Matthew was wrong.

>>381813954
>what is every nier and drakengard game

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>>381803061
>DeS
>First boss is literally a joke, complete with free stock sounds
>free stock sounds are everywhere throughout the game
>this is the 'best game of the series'

>>381813954
The project was considered kind of a disaster when Miyazaki took it over, so expectations were low. They were just trying to salvage it somehow, they didn't expect it to do well.

i want a new armored core game, souls is boring

It's actually like pottery, it rhymes.

With every game, the souls series becomes more soulless and hollow. Just like people in the games.

>>381803061
hi mathew can i be in the next video

>>381813163
why do people jack off so much about ash lake?
it's just an empty fucking beach with a few items and a hydra

>>381814069
I know, but neither does any other Souls game.

>>381814089
Explain why he's right.

Game plays exactly like Souls only faster and with more expansive movesets. How can it possibly be more shallow than DaS3?

Art style/direction

3 >>>>>>> 1 >> 2 >> BB >>>>>>>>>>>>DeS

>>381815090
>3 and fucking 2
>better art style than any of the other games

Full pleb.

from a purely gameplay perspective the only element of the entire soulsborne series that was ever strong was the way the levels wrapped back around

>>381815090
You probably genuinely believe that what you wrote there is a valid opinion.
Sorry to burst your bubble but you're objectively wrong friendo.

>>381815287
That's more the level design than the gameplay though.

>>381815396
>>381815178
its okay to be wrong, you don't need to try and defend yourselves

>>381803061
Fuck off already Matthewmatosis

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>>381803061
Not really. They mostly rehashed the same mech games and dungeon crawlers for 15 years before striking gold with Demon's Souls and then rehashing that for nearly a decade.

>>381815567
.

>>381814665
I asked you first here buddy. He was saying that a lot of the new attack additions were redundant. However he still did give praise to things like the way back stabs work in BB but also gave criticism for how they went back to a similar backstab mechanic from previous games for the 3rd DS game.

So again where is he really wrong here?

>>381814635
the trees in the ashlake are holding the world. every piece of land, every mountain, ocean is above the trees of the ash lake, they are the pillars of the world.

its a boring area in gameplay terms, but it's concept and atmosphere are great (its the only purpose for the area)

>>381803258
This. The only reason Demon's Souls was such a breath of fresh air is because it expected to fail and Miyazaki was put in charge, so he was free to do weird and new shit because it was expected to fail anyways.

>>381815564
I think that's part of gameplay though, if you mute the game and delete all the text you still have to move around and navigate within the game world

>>381803061

the biggest tragedy is how the awesome old school Souls-tuber community is dead

>>381814203
what an odd thing to complain about

>>381814635

the atmosphere was so immaculate that i believe it must have been an accidental achievement by the developers and director. The bgm complements to this, probably one of the best pieces in the sountrack

its a prime example of rewarded exploration, as well as a testament of the massive world the game takes place in, important-landmark lore wise

also, its pretty and (excuse my necessary usage of the word) aesthetic

there isnt much to do, though meeting the ancient dragon is very rewarding

>>381815983
ye i bet that guy gets angrey at wilhelm screams LOL

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>>381814203
>watch star wars
>everyone always talks about how the originals are the best
>they're filled to the brim with stock sounds
Pathetic....how can anyone like these?!

>>381814089
Not him, it true that all weapons do damage and stun like he sad. But they also require different ammounts of stat investment, some are well complimented by hunters tools, because of the stats they use. Some of them have ranged options. They vary in speed (start up, cooldown), range, damage type, some of them require some sacrifice to be fully functional (require bullets or health), some are better suited for charged attacks, some are better as fast weapons, few require a constant buffs to work properly, etc. I get what he was trying to say, but he is kinda being an ass about it.

Souls is pretty much its own genre now complete with a bunch of clones and spin off games

>>381803061
Bloodborne is the best game From have ever made. A game doesn't have to re-invent the wheel to be great. I do agree that consciously trying to "please the fans" is pretty much always a bad idea - gamers are fucking idiots, they don't know what they want.

>>381815751
He implied they were redundant because all these moves do is "deal a bit of damage or hitstun" which totally ignores things like the speed of that attack, what sort of state it puts the player in (ie, using a transformation attack while dodging with the bowblade to position yourself and deal ranged damage at the same time and transform your weapon) and the fact that not all of these animations are just attacks but things like buffs.
Transformation attacks are also being overlooked here since they allow you to change moveset on the fly in the middle of hitstunning an enemy with many weapons having transformations designed to deal with a totally different situation from the base form (like threaded cane going from short single-target attacks to long reach aoe attacks).

Again, how does BB have less going on that the block-and-strafe combat of DaS1 or the roll-spam quick-attack shitfest of DaS3?

>>381816552
DeS DaS and BB are the only games in the series that had any definitive vision and drive behind them

>>381815872
Fair enough, i personally would define gameplay as everything in the game i can directly influence or interact with in some shape or form but i dunno the actual definition if such a thing exists.

>>381803061
Stop listening to matthews videos religously

>>381812819
reiterpallasch + shield is effective, especially with loch shield to fuck up blood/arcane

i don't mind if they keep doing "fuck all" and just "spiritual sequels"
i think DaS was shit but hell i forced myself to even play DaS2

>>381803061
If DS3 was made to appeal to fans it would have been interconnected like said fans wanted.

>>381803061
>It seems like Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne were made to appeal to fans and ride the difficulty bandwagon.
No, that would be Dark Souls games in general.
Bloodborne was never marketed with a slogan like Prepare To Die.

>>381818840
The dipshit fanbase did that for them.
Hell, not even just the fanbase, most self-proclaimed game journalists were hyping the game up with phrases like "i can't wait to die over and over again lol".

>>381818564
>implying the fans give a shit about this

No one batted an eyelid when DaS3 turned out to be linear as fuck.

>>381818840
This. Sony actually did a good job marketing BB (unlike DeS) and did it tastefully.

Bamco have always gone full-retard with marketing DaS but I suppose it's why it got as popular as it is in the first place.

>>381809852
Because there wasn't much else to compare it to at the time aside from Ultima styled dungeon crawlers.

And i thought DS3 hate threads were gone. Well, it seems like this will be another time le olde "your opinion=shit my opinion=fact" meme appears.

>>381819345
it was used in trailers and the PC release is even called "prepare to die edition"

>>381819723
DaS3 is almost as bad as 2, if not worse in a lot of regards. The only great souls games are DeS, DaS, and BB but even then DaS is suspect for its second half

>>381803061
>Sony desperately needed a new IP and game for the PS3
>passed up on this making it exclusive forever and owning the IP rights forever

How did they drop the ball so badly

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>>381803061
Fuck off Matthew

None of you fuckers bought any of those games anyway and you'd just hate them now because

THEY WOULDN'T BE SOULS GAMES

>>381814635
Because you're supposed to stumble upon it, people who can't appreciate it are the ones that just looked up how to get there.

>>381819896
I really can't consider BB to be part of the core line up. It removed a lot of the features that made true souls games fun

>>381820052
>It removed a lot of the features that made true souls games fun
Such as?

>>381820052
the best aspect of the souls games is how the environment is woven into the level design which BB excels at more than the dark games, Demon's is debatable

>>381803061
>Remember when From Software made innovate games that took many risks?
No I dont.

DeS wasnt innovative aside from its online. Everything else has been done before, much of it in their own past games.

>>381819896
That's what i'm talking about. OPINIONS=/= fact.

>>381820438
DaS being unfinished for a good portion of it is a straight up fact from the devs themselves.

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WHERE THE FUCK IS MY NEW OTOGI GAME, FROM?!

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>381820438
It's possible to look at a sequel objectively and judge it based off the merits its predecessors set. The only exception would be if the sequel brings in something really novel which DaS3 didn't with the exception of weapons arts which don't play a big part in the game.

Its funny how DeS and DaS1 are so highly regarded by almost everyone, but DaS3 and BB are divisive as fuck yet the fans of them usually cant see why.

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>>381820052
everything in BB plays like a dex build, so build variety is out the door. There is almost no secrets or illusionary walls to be found anywhere. Armor variety is none existant, everything is a cringy fedora and coat. Utterly shit the bed with story telling now we have NPC info dumping on your left and right Invasions may as well be none existant

Can't speak for what changed in the DLC as I stopped playing shortly after launch. DS3 wasn't the best Souls title but it fixed a lot of BB's fuck ups

>>381820692
>BB
>divisive

butthurt PCu.cks don't count

>>381820852
>muh boogeymans
I have it on ps4 and only played it once, it was fun but I just dont see myself touching it again. I still go back to DeS and DaS1 when I get bored and want that kind of gameplay.

>>381820257
Chromehounds

>>381820692
>BB
>divisive

A loud minority on /v/ want you to believe this.

>>381820835
it's hilarious when you say DaS3 fixed a lot of BB's fuck ups but it has the same problems exacerbated. Since you judged BB based off when it came out I'll judge DaS3 when it came out, no viable builds existed outside of short/longswords because they were all trash (a lot are still trash to this day like faith). BB has a lot more exploration and secret/optional areas than the linear as fuck DaS3. DaS3 has more NPC info dumps than BB with all the questlines and invasions are FUCKING terrible in DaS3 because you get paired against 4 phantoms + seed with nerfed healing/health 90% of the time unless you go to a fightclub or something.

>>381821080
Post timestamp pc cuck

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>>381820692
>BB
>divisive

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>>381803061
>>381803916
>>381806503
i hate you faggots that shit on 3. weapon arts were highly innovative. if you actually took an hour to play all of the games back to back you'd be forced to take of your nostalgia goggles and see that 3 is the best.

>>381820669
Sega owns it.

>>381820852
>>381821148
>>381821260
Like clockwork.
You literally cant think BB isnt the best shit ever.

I prefer evergrace and eternal ring over any souls shit faggots

>>381820835
You haven't actually played Bloodborne, have you?

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>>381821424
>make statement which is wrong
>get called out on being wrong
>ugh so predictable!

>You literally cant think BB isnt the best shit ever.

Then why did you say it was divisive?

>>381820835
>bloodborne
>almost no secrets

it has the most optional content in the series

>muh illusionary walls

irrelevant and present in the chalice dungeons anyway

>>381820692
>DaS3
Lost any kind of charm that was left in the series and made clear that FromSoftware didn't know how or didn't care about finishing the lore.
>BB
Butthurt people who can't play it

>NO ONE CAN EVER DARE THINK THAT BLOODBORNE HAS ANY FLAWS WHATSOEVER
>IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT BLOODBORNE IS LITERALLY THE GREATEST ACHIEVEMENT IN HUMAN EXISTENCE THEN YOU CLEARLY HAVEN'T PLAYED IT

i am so fucking embarrassed to play the game with such unbelievably childish faggots. the game is flawed, be an adult and just admit it

>>381821792
point out where any of that was said

>>381821908
>>381821647
>BB
Butthurt people who can't play it
>>381821519
>You haven't actually played Bloodborne, have you?

literally every time bloodborne is criticized the BB defense forced jerk each other off with the "you haven't played it"response

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>>381821519
My favorite BB defense.
>>381821212
Like I said DS3 is far from the best Souls game but its way more enjoyable than BB in my opinion
>>381821617
Optional areas aren't secret content. I had a good 300 hours in DS1 and every single play through I found new shit. BB just had nothing besides some fuck who put me in a bag. And that wasn't even a secret it was just scripted nonsense.

>>381821607
Because people who liked the knight setting more than gothic dont prefer it.
Because people who prefer build variety in different magics and weapons might prefer it.
Because I personally would have much preferred another area over the time spent on making chalice dungeons a thing.

It has the best bosses and movesets for weapons though. Its almost like ditching the setting and ability to have a slower play style might have turned some people off though.

Either way anyone who thinks any souls shit is "the best" hasnt played enough games. They are decent 3d action games with light RPG elements but have literally nothing else going for them aside from muh atmosphere and muh lore. Both of which I care the least about since I'm not a huge faggot. I dont even want to mention the pvp thats plagued the franchise.

From has one of the worst programming teams I have ever seen in AAA gaming, not even joking. They were completely awful on ps2 and ps1 as well. The games hold up through novel gameplay or an interesting world. Both of which was gone by BB and DaS3. To me

>>381822080
i dont see any of this
>NO ONE CAN EVER DARE THINK THAT BLOODBORNE HAS ANY FLAWS WHATSOEVER
>IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT BLOODBORNE IS LITERALLY THE GREATEST ACHIEVEMENT IN HUMAN EXISTENCE THEN YOU CLEARLY HAVEN'T PLAYED IT
in those posts

>>381822080
>>381822090
Everything you said was wrong, boss.

>build variety is out the door
Every single well timed, practiced Kirkhammer user would like a word, as would the legion of Wheelfags. The Whirligig is also regarded as one of the best weapons in the game. All slow Strength weapons.

>There is almost no secrets or illusionary walls to be found anywhere
>he doesn't know
Yeah I'm sure you found fucking Cainhurst your first time through.

>everything is a cringy fedora and coat
Looks like someone can't into aesthetic consistency, sorry for your loss.

>Utterly shit the bed with story telling now we have NPC info dumping on your left
But that's an outright lie. You didn't play this game. Also, Kaathe.

>Invasions may as well be none existant
>what is mensis
>what is the frontier
>fight clubs too

Like, if you're going to make outrageous claims like this, people are going to ask if you actually played the game.

>>381822090
>Optional areas aren't secret content
>getting to cainhurst by finding the secret swamp area in the forest
>early nightmare frontier by speaking in the windows and getting caught by the lesser amygdala
>an entire category of the chalice dungeons, hintertombs, hidden in pthumerian
>Alfred, Eileen, and Gascoigne's daughter questlines

>>381822217
>pvp thats plagued the franchise.
I've never got what the point of PVP in Souls is. They make this painfully atmospheric well paced world, and decide that random fucks dropping into your session doing rolls everywhere was a good addition

>>381822317
Not the guy you are replying to but "you haven't even played it have you?" equates to "Blood Borne is such a beautiful and flawless product that no one who has ever actually played it can possibly have negative feels for it. the only rational way for some one not to like this master piece is if they have never touched it before"

>>381803061
Matthewmatosis pls

>>381822090
>Like I said DS3 is far from the best Souls game but its way more enjoyable than BB in my opinion

but the problems you posted in BB (half of which aren't even problems in BB) are worse in DaS3 so what's your thought process?

>>381822481
sounds like just your delusions

>>381821792
>>381821424
>>381822090
Jesus Christ. BB is not a flawless game but it's not divisive in any way because most who have played it agree it's good, unlike DS3 or DS2 where people either like it or hate it.

>>381822481
No, it equates to 'your making shit up that's easily refuted but your feefees refuse to let this happen' and 'my experience determines the only objective experience anyone can have'

I unironically want another Kings Field.

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>>381822481
how do you delude yourself to this point?

>>381822569
>my anecdotal evidence is more important than yours
Yep the hundreds of souls/bb threads I have been in are clearly fake since you got to experience the real opinions in your of threads.

Guess what, DeS wasnt nearly as divisive and that was exclusive as well. Not to mention most people have a fucking ps4.

>>381815090
"no"
DeS > BB > DaS > 2 > 3

Every one down to 2 is fucking beautiful, 3 loses points for being literally Bloodborne. DeS holds up a lot better than a game from 2009 has any right to, and plus created the whole fucking aesthetic of the series that DaS only expanded upon in a few ways.

>>381822817
because DeS wasn't popular and this contrarian shithole wouldn't attack it yet. 90% of shit against BB is console wars trash

>>381822438
Exactly, not to mention half the people will end up lagging around at some point.
Hostile NPCs that are well done are more interesting to fight any day because they have a story tied to them.

>>381821365
Three has garbage level design, garbage mobs, boring bosses, boring art, samey, repetitive environments, an extraordinary amount of Das 1 nostalgia faggotry, dumb amounts of padding, and the safest, least exciting online aspect of the entire series

It fucking sucks dick compared to Das 1 or BB

>>381822438
because you are supposed to invade to fuck up their game not some stupid duel shit, this is why the scrapping spear existed in DeS

>>381812474
How is it a meme? When did you start playing the series to seriously not notice that in DaS3 a shitload of important features are missing and every enemy feels the same.

>>381822217
>make a valid criticism of BB
>BBfags have no rebuttal because their game really isnt perfect and lacks a lot of what made souls games
Fucking good.

>>381823118
You're responding to a point I didnt make out of reflex, people invading properly ruins the atmosphere as well because they start doing stupid bunny hops around and doing stupid emotes to BM

>>381823284
well I mean this is a universe where patches exists

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>>381823197
>Being angry about people actually accepting criticism

>>381823385
>being angry
>you cant swear in exclamation only anger
I said good anon, I was glad because those fags can stay away form my posts.

>>381819820
I was referring to Bloodborne, not DS1.

I only played BB then DaS3. What in god's name was so bad about 3? It seemed like more of the same which people liked.

What was the big problem?

>>381823804
that's the problem it was the same shit again, only this time even more linear and easier. BB was a desperately needed breath of fresh air whereas DaS3 went back to more of the same.

It doesn't help that the DaS1 pandering is DaS3 is fucking disgusting

>>381822817
>using anecdotal evidece against anecdotal evidence
>false analogy
I can do it too! I am big boy now.

>>381823804
It was extremely linear and a lot of the mechanics were either simplified or changed dramatically such as poise. Also the lack of poise made the fast weapon win 99.9999% of the time, when the game launched there was almost no reason to use anything other than the basic straight sword.

DS1 > DS3 > DS2 > BB > DeS

>>381824312
faster weapon

>>381824312
I don't think i used R2 at all in my first playthrough, there was no point, you could just stunlock everyone with R1 anyway.

>>381823804
Dark Souls 3 is a boring compromise between Dark Souls and Bloodborne that lacks the strengths of either. People expect less linearity from a Dark Souls game as well, it's hard to understand if you haven't played DS1.

>>381824031
So some of this is obviously coming from my not having played the other games. Aren't the stories at least connected in some way? I'm not sure why it would be pandering if you get to revisit some areas from the first game.

It definitely was pretty linear. How much branching off did the other games do?

And maybe it's me being used to a million call of dutys and stuff but how badly did it need a breath of fresh air? There were like 3 games in the series.

>>381824312
That makes sense. I'm on my second playthrough and I really want to use spears and other weapons but the straight sword seems to still outclass everything by a mile. I just can't put out nearly as much damage as they can without huge drawbacks

Were all weapons a little more viable in previous games?

>>381824312
Their hyper armor system actually works now on the bright side. I've won so many duels by damage trading with a greatclub

>>381824853
ya they're connected except DaS3 doesn't explain shit outside of emphasizing on some irrelevant stuff like the painting of ariamis

>>381824996
Makes me feel better for barely knowing what's going on aside from "they ain't sittin so make their corpses sit" and what linking the fire does. Everything outside of that was super vague. I know the series is like that but after BB and the DLC you had a firm grasp of what happened, even if not literally every question is answered

>>381824853
The thing is there's no logical transition from the world of Dark Souls to DS2 or 3. They bring back these random elements from it but there's no reason for them to be there. It's been millennia, why is the fucking blacksmith from Dark Souls 1 there? No reason, he just is.

>>381825421
That really doesn't make sense, yeah. But I saw a lot of complaints about revisiting the areas and all that. Figured it made sense with the main part of the story still being about linking the fire.

Seriously, millennia have passed and its the same dude? He's not some kind of immortal smith?

>>381825624
he was originally related to gwyn but they cut that out of the story in DaS1, you can easily kill him so he's not a god or anything. It's pretty suspect that he has the crest of artorias but I think that's more of a gameplay thing and not related to lore

>>381825624
From dev commentary we know that he was originally planned to the son of the god Gwyn, but they scrapped that. And all the fucking gods are dead too, so it doesn't matter. He's there because people like him.

And it's not just that millenia have passed, civilizations have risen and fallen in the timespan, even in Dark Souls 2 nobody remembers the world of Dark Souls 1. And then Dark Souls 3 happens and Andre is there and one of the areas from DS1 is back. It just doesn't make sense, it takes you out of the game.

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>>381821424
I liked Eternal Ring too but it was pretty unfinished

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>soulsfags suddenly caring about games From Soft makes that aren't THEME XYZ SOULS because a youtuber cunt told them too

>>381822739
Agreed

>>381826257
nah it's just right

>>381803061
they tried to experiment a little with DS2 (fighting multiple enemies at the same time, weapon degradation, pursuer etc), people didn't like it so they went full fan service in DS3

>>381803061
>shitting on bloodborne for not being innovative enough
ffs anon, it literally took the souls formula and gave it a new spin

sure it's not as innovative as demon's souls was by starting the series, but it's not remotely as by the books as the dark souls series

>>381827494
Only Pursuer applies to what they mean by innovate.

>>381819940
they didn't pass up on it though, they still co-developed and published the game (in japan)
they just chose not to publish it in the west (which was massively retarded)

fairly certain sony owns the demon's souls ip still

>>381811630
you seems to be missing the point - watch his video again

to put this as simple as possible: dodge and parry is less options than dodge, parry and shield

>>381819940
>>381828036
They thought it was shit and would fail.

>>381828195
true

but they didn't pass on it like that anon said, otherwise the game wouldn't exist at all

>>381828050
you also seem the be missing the point that although the defensive option is limited, the offensive option is extended

sure you lose shield, but you gain far more depth in attack in trade

>>381827747
there was much more - rat covenant, ng+, bonfire ascetic, dlc invasions, gang war boss etc

>>381828721
I meant from what you listed.

Also DeS had weapon degradation.

>>381828573
not really, and you also lose proper magic

>>381823092
dark souls 3's level design isn't as bad as you think it is anon, its the world design that suffers from linearity.

>>381803061

Bloodborne was very clearly a project with a ton in passion put into it. It comes through in every moment of the game. How the fuck can you be so blind?

>>381829052
very true

>>381823092

>nostalgia faggotry

Sick of this argument. Dark Souls 3 is a direct sequel to Dark Souls, of course there are going to be similar locations and characters. For the most part, sequels reference their predecessors.

>>381828842
yes really

>>381828842
>not really
yes really
bb's depth in offence is precisely why they made defence less viable, it's a purposeful design choice to encourage aggressive play
instead of shield, slash, roll, you're encouraged to buff, strafe, slash, strafe, transform and stun, combo, parry, rally, etc.
>you lose proper magic
and you gain arcane instead, which makes magic arguably more balanced

>>381828786
no the same way - DeS weapon degradation could be ignored

In DS2 they tried forcing swapping weapons mid bonfires/boss fights due to low durability

>>381829358
really watch the video again - you overestimate BB offence

>>381829437

Didn't amount to much since bonfires are so close to each other.

>>381829641
>watch the video again
Why dont you actually try and argue and refute the points he's making to you instead of sending him to rewatch your boyfriends video?

>>381829641
>watch the video
fuck off

i played the game, i know the offence
i dont need some meme youtuber to form my opinion for me, i know full well that bb gives far more depth in offence than souls did; and anyone who has played the whole series would understand that's exactly what the game went for

>>381809852
Garbage opinion. King's Field is awesome and immersive. I really love KF4. You have to get immersed in the world and go on an adventure

>>381829730
yeap, they failed - it was just more annoying during some of boss fights (large hp pool meant your weapon could break, and you will need to swap)

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>>381829641
>Dude this one youtuber says you're wrong which means you're wrong
How about you stop shilling some faggot nobody online, and form your own opinions like an adult?
Also the other anon is right, you gain more aggressive options in BB at the loss of defensive options.

>>381808673
>quit his job
>keeps making videos about a series he and nobody else cares about anymore
>all he does is play SMT anymore, says the only review series he'd want to do now is SMT
>said he won't do an SMT review series
>fading from relevance fast
>girlfriend is getting tired of being stuck with a NEET bum
Is this destiny?

>>381830441
>said he won't do an SMT review series
He probably couldnt make it through 1 and 2

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So what constitutes "depth" in terms of combat options? It is fair to say that BB has less overall builds than the rest of the series but the builds that do exist have more attacks. Is this more depth, less depth, or a lateral shift?

>>381829905
because there is no point in repeating what he already said in video - he covered the topic of both less defence and offence, mentioning both new movesets and magic

you didn't understand and missed the point

there is no 'oversimplification' - BB really had simpler mechanics with less offence and defence options than any other souls game

>>381830725
BB - more depth in offence, less depth in defence
Souls - more depth in defence, less depth in offence

>>381822391
Wait is the Whirligig that good? My best weapon I have so far is the +10 Ludwig Holy Blade which is killing anything in my path fast.

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>making an action rpg is a risk

Of every new IP they made in the last two decades, DeS was probably the least risky.

>>381830770
You still haven't made any points of your own in this post, you're just sperging out because people won't do the homework you're trying to set

>>381817060
Because it's the exact same thing in the end. Most people aren't ever going to use transformation attacks regularly because they're never necessary and you're dramatically overstating their properties. Your movesets are completely irrelevant when R1 spam does the job regardless of weapon and you still dodge through everything.

The only exception to this I can think of is Beast Blood Pellets with saw cleaver's transformation attack which breaks the game entirely.

Especially in the game's hardest bosses like Ludwig and Defiled Hotdog, you're doing the exact same thing you're doing in every other game: wait for a reactable opening, hit them once or twice, then back off.

>>381830770
if you're going to be lazy and refuses to actually argue your point by saying "lol just watch the video", i'm going to do the same and refer to this post >>381817060

>>381831474
>let me just ignore the depth of combat because you can just spam r1 lol
you can literally do the exact same thing in souls, fuck off

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>>381830770
But the statement is wrong though. No matter how many times you and your buddy youtuber repeat it. All he says is "yeah BB has more options, but in the end all the happens is the enemy takes damage, and gets stunned sometimes" Anyone who thinks like this is actually autistic. BB is a combat based game, if it had gimmick bosses like is DeS then it wouldn't fit the atmosphere and play style, and would get boring. In DeS you're an adventurer so the play style works. In BB you're a hunter, a slaughter machine on a mission. If they had bosses where you played like a little whimsical imp, tricking his way through boss fights it wouldn't fit at all.

>>381813163
>a literally unfinished zone

>>381803061
>Bloodborne were made to appeal to fans

Bloodborne was specifically commissioned because Yoshida realized he fucked up with that DeS thing and missed out on having what'd become DaS as a Sony exclusive.

>>381831764
they could've made DeSII, but i'm glad they went for BB instead

>>381828036
Yeah, Sony own the DeS IP still, but they're not in complete control of the publishing rights, which is why it's never been reissued or remastered for the PS4.

>>381831974
i assume that's why it wasn't put on PSNow outside of japan, too

>>381830839
But what is it about BloodBorne's combat that makes it more deep?

>>381831293
>criticize video over stuff he didn't understand
>when pointed out what he get wrong on defence, he now demands other topics to also be explained
seriously?

>>381832041
Exactly right.

If a remaster for DeS were to appear, Sony could only release it themselves in Japan. An international release would require them to go back into negotiations with Atlus and Bamco to publish it Stateside and in PAL regions, which is something Sony likely just see as being more hassle than it's worth.

>>381803061
hence the new IP i assume?

>>381803061
>Remember when From Software made innovate games that took many risks?
Yeah, Enchanted Arms was alright.

>>381832426
>when pointed out what he get wrong on defence
Where did you do this?

>>381832426
this whole thread is filled with people explaining why the video is wrong, and you keep replying "watch the video"

fuck off and form your own opinions before engaging in a conversation you cretin

>>381832209
You have more options in attacking, and there are less weapons than most Souls games, but have a lot more variety to them. Each weapon in the game has 2 modes to play in each with multiple varying attacks, like dash attacks, and special moves. Each weapon has change attacks than count as an attack when switching your weapon from one of it's modes to the other during a combo. Not to mention you can use your guns, or your little flame throwers each one also acting slightly different. You don't really have room to play passively in Bloodborne, but playing aggressively is how it was made, and it never feels boring from how much stuff you can do when fighting. Plus you feel like a real badass hunter gutting through enemies with your giant sawblade, or magic blood infused katana.

>>381832609
I remember Chromehounds too.

>>381803061
>From does it's own thing.
>Is successful. All others that try to imitated the formula fail.
>Anon criticizes From for "not doing their own thing" as they continually demonstrate they are the only ones capable of doing that thing.
???????????

>>381831717
I disagree - DS had magic, dual wielding, weapon arcs, power stances, bows, shield + weapon unique moves etc There was seriously a hell lot of options to kill enemies and be offensive.

In BB you had less weapons and less killing options. You must be blind to not see that a better focus on them with additional moves doesn't magically make BB have more offensive options than DS games.

BB takes less offence and less defence options, but make it more refined by just focusing on them, and that's fine.

>>381833882
>All others that try to imitated the formula fail
i'm not saying it doesn't have its faults, but nioh definitely didn't fail

>>381834085
>DS had magic, dual wielding, weapon arcs, power stances, bows, shield + weapon unique moves

?

BB has all of these, only power stance is replaced by trick weapon

>>381834085

>In BB you had less weapons and less killing options. You must be blind to not see that a better focus on them with additional moves doesn't magically make BB have more offensive options than DS games.

This is a disingenuous argument. DS may have more weapons overall, but how many of them have the exact same moveset? BB has fewer weapons, true, but each weapon has a unique and expansive moveset, where say, all straight swords in DS have the exact same movesets with minor exceptions.

>>381834085
Ds has more things you can fight with, but each thing is quite limited. There are more weapons yes but 90% of straight swords all function the same. Almost every weapon is BB is unique no 2 weapons really work the same. And every weapon has a ton of different move sets. Ds does have more quantity, but BB has more quality, and more options between each varying weapon or gun.

>doesn't understand the content of the video
>criticize it
>becomes upset when his misunderstanding is pointed out
>instead of just re-watching part that he didn't understand just complain and demand that everything should be explained to him
>gets upset even more and start calling names
it was never about my opinion, it was about you not understanding what you watched

>>381834785
>watches his favourite eceleb
>adopts the opinion of said eceleb instead of forming his own
>becomes enraged when others critique the opinion of the eceleb
>instead of responding with thought out counterpoints and attempting to dispute the critiques of his second hand opinion, he regurgitates the demand that you watch his shitty little eceleb video again
it was never about your own opinion because you never had one, it was about the video being incorrect and you not understanding that because you probably havent even played the game in question

>>381833020
this >>381834785

>>381835168
>h-how dare you say matthew is wrong!!! you just didn't understand his video!!! watch it again!!!!
unironically kill yourself

>>381835148
yes, because 2 is greater than 3, and pointing out that it isn't is agreeing with eceleb

>>381835319
Being wrong is being wrong, and saying
>U just dont understand!
Does not make your point valid.

>>381835319
>going completely offtopic
i think we're done here

>>381834674
I agree - but DS still wins in terms of options due to bigger variety of killing tools

BB was still a step in right direction imho, one unique weapon is better tan 10 straight swords

>>381813163
poor spider

>>381835671
>but DS still wins in terms of options due to bigger variety of killing tools
I mean, it depends if a different skin counts as greater variety to you

>>381803061
remember when any fromsoft game was good?
Yeah me neither
All the other good games left, and people think Souls games are good because its all thats left of old school game design, even if the games themselves are atrocious

>>381836710

Honestly, this guy gets it. The Souls games are basically fancy-looking old school games. I personally believe Dark Souls 3 is a piece of boring shit, but it's still better than most games out there.

>>381836521
that's still not the case - spells, miracles, hexes, giantbows, turtleshielding with spear etc

>>381831474
I admit to having spent more time playing bloodborne than I should, but there's lot of neat tricks you can do with expanded attack sets, and something that is ignored is that bloodborne burrows an understated mechanic in the first dark souls and that is specific body part weak spots. I used to use kirkhammer's jumping attack to immediately stun darkbeast paarl at his head and threaded cane's back-step r2 to hit the vicar's head. I get it, this is not standard gameplay, but any game with depth generally has a basic format of playing and depth comes from experimentation. Look at vanquish, which I do not claim has the same scale of depth (Vanquish has way more abilities and variety of tricks that you can employ).

>>381803061
>been saying this for years
>suddenly some random youtube commentator says it
>daily threads, constant demons souls shilling
this has been the consensus since dark souls, every irl friend I have felt like ds1 wasn't a great sequel and they've only become more derivative

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>>381838536
>friends
>/v/
I like you, you're funny