>"The game is fun. If it's not fun, why bother?"

>>381780101
Who did this annoy?
Seems like solid logic to me. Only movie game tards must be offended by this.

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I wouldn't call The Last of Us fun but the story was so great that I kept playing it.

>>381780101
The thing is fun is entirely subjective. Fun for one person can be unfun for another. Some people enjoy simple platformers while hate racing. Some people like racing but can't stand fighting. And then there are some people who have fun with a literal spreadsheet simulator aka EVE.

>>381780101
Reggie Fills-a-me
pottery

>>381780289
Try reading more books.

>>381780289
So then the story was fun, which is still part of the game.

'Fun' isn't some tangible metric so I can't really imagine a scenario where that statement would be shocking to anybody other than people who get hung up on semantics and want games to be primarily social message vehicles regardless of them being 'fun' by their definition or not

>>381780198
Neogaf, because they want every day to push an agenda

>>381780512
Boring

>>381780289
>storyfags
When will we be able to put them down

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yeah, "fun" is the only thing that matters
can't be thrilling, horrifying, intense or anything else than fun bleep bloop wahoo boing boing fun

>>381780646
Has it ever occurred to you that you are boring?

>>381780772
But those things are fun.

>>381780772
Maybe you should try picking a better example next time.

>>381780772
Are you saying re4 wasn't fun?

>>381780571
I honestly don't know what Neogaf is, but I doubt it. These are just autistic shitposters.

>>381780772
When something is trilling it is fun, what the fuck? Getting scared is fun. Feeling something is intense is fun. The adrenaline rush is fun

Are you mentally damaged?

>>381780289
>TLOU good story
AhaHAHAHAH

>>381780568
The story wasn't fun, it was interesting and compelling.

>>381780831
then perhaps "fun" isnt the right word and that's why people are getting triggered
maybe "entertained" is the correct term then since fun games arent usually applied to action, horror, fps etc etc

>>381780772
RE:4 was fun.

I'm pretty sure Rotanigger was just talking about games like walking simulators that aren't really fun to play but people gush about because they push a narrative they like.

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>>381780875
this should explain everything

muh ideology
if you're not with me you're my enemy

>>381780772
>posts literally the funnest Resi game

>>381780772
>>381780890
I have a feeling you two are working on completely different definitions of "fun".

>>381780945
Nigga you had fun stop being so fucking tsun to the idea of fun my guy

>>381780958
No, fun applies to all those things and you're being semantic.

I would definitely call doom or quake "fun"

>>381780289
Watch a movie you faggot pseduogamer

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>>381780772
People have fun being thrilled, or being scared/ Intense things can be fun as well, thats why competition exists.
The whole ponit of Mr. Buzzword's statement is not that "fun" isn't invalid in itself, its just that for games that people enjoy, he wanted the people to EXPLAIN WHY these things are fun, as in, "this game is fun because it has a huge amount of depth that will please hardcore fans of the series" and not "this thing is fun because I like it"
But of course since /v/ is clinically retarded, they take the complete opposite of the meaning.

>>381780101
Fun is an highly subjecting term, you have to explain what makes your game "fun".

>>381780969
Neogaf is the cancer of videogames

>>381780875
>I honestly don't know what Neogaf is
I envy you.

>>381781003
the sooner this mindset dies the better. it won't because it's contagious

>>381780969
City of God was fun as fuck. It's literally just Brazilian Goodfellas

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>>381781083

>>381780969
>City of God isn't fun
FUCKING WHAT

>>381780831
Not exactly.

Fun is a positive emotion. Puzzle games and Fighting games aren't fun, they are challenging. RPGs aren't fun, they are intricate, open world games aren't fun, they are immersive (fulfill escapism). Games can be thought provoking, or they can be frightening. "Fun" is just one of the many things a game can be. Excessive focus on fun is why Brawl and Smash4 are worse than Melee.

Random elements are tools that are useful for increasing the fun factor, due to their spontenuity keeping things fresh (see Mario Party), but random elements aren't favorable when the core value of a game is serious competition.

Games aren't always fun, fun is just one of many things games can be. Nintendo's obsession with a fun factor is why they totally suck dick now.

Does Reggie believe people don't try and make games to be entertaining?

That's the whole point of games.

>>381780101
People are fucked in the head, not the games.

>>381780101
uhh, bcuz of story? what else?

>>381781207
Fun can be an emotion that you get while being challenged you autist, the adrenaline surge feels great

>>381780969
But people like that are a minority for sure. Why do developers cater to them. They would make much more money making games like they were before.
Difficult , sometimes grindy, and with a fantasy setting that doesn't have anything to do with the current world and its shitty problems.

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>>381780101
This entire debate is based purely on semantics.

Do you define "fun" as anything that entertains you or you enjoy? Every game needs to be fun.

Do you define "fun" specifically as things that make you laugh? Every game shouldn't be fun.

End it.

>>381780101
Wait what? People got annoyed by this? You must be jesting.

>>381781207
>Puzzle games and Fighting games aren't fun, they are challenging. RPGs aren't fun, they are intricate, open world games aren't fun, they are immersive (fulfill escapism). Games can be thought provoking, or they can be frightening
All of those things can be fun and you're being overly semantic just for the sake of being contrary to a reasonable opinion.

>>381780969
>city of god isn't fun
WHAT

>>381781207
Fun comes from the challenge, fun comes from the immersion, fun comes from the fright.

You're just being a faggot for no reason.

>>381781370
they probably wouldn't though. too many dudebros play video games nowadays, it's easier just to make FIFA 218390, zombie game 50329, and lord of the rings 19029.

>>381781272
He said fun, not entertaining. The Last of Us is an example of a game that isn't fun. You master it within 30 minutes and repeat the same shit for the duration of the game with no variation.

>>381781207
Pick up a dictionary you fucking retard.

You derive fun from being challenged, from being immersed.

Fun is not an emotion, it's a concept that describes enjoyment and entertainment.

Fucking retard.

>>381781369
The challenge can also be frustrating however. It's overcoming adversity that creates a feeling of accomplishment, but the experience is totally subjective regardless. Also, accomplishment is a totally different emotion from fun.

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>>381780101
It upsets the spirit science retards at extra credits because they and people like them are a bunch of egotistical libtarded hipsters who postulate that games need not be enjoyable, they should be "art".
Art in this case is trash that exists as an echobox for their political views.

>>381780101
>triforce carpet
What did he mean by this?

>>381781590
you can still have fun with the game even if you mastered the mechanics
you just didnt have fun

>>381781524
Define fun.

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You must be mentally ill if you consider BING BING WAHOOOO fun past the age of 16. Literally my lil pony tier autism
>but but muh animation
>but but muh fun comfy
The same shit, nintendo fans need to be rounded up and killed tbqh

>>381781395
I'd say fun is anything that makes you feel good while doing it.
There is people who want a game that will specifically make you feel miserable, by introducing "social issues" and that kind of anti-fun bullshit.
That's why they got annoyed by the statement.

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>>381781630
Wrong, see pic related.

>>381781632
Fun isn't an emotion.

It's a concept, in your example, the fun is the accomplishment you feel. Fucking retard.

>>381780101
are all nintenbros underage or mentally retarded autistics with the minds of a 12 year old? reggie says the most agreeable things possible and nintenbros eat it up. reggie has the easiest job in the world. marketing for you idiots is a joke

>>381781590
Ah so that is why they didn't bother with the Wii U because it wasn't fun?

Can see why he started with it.

>>381780101
Only non-english speakers can be triggered by this.
It's not fun as in funny, but fun as in enjoyable.

What he is saying that if you're not enjoying playing the game why bother?

>>381781892
Is grinding to get to gold league or max out your stats in an RPG fun?

>>381780101
The word I would use is "engaging". You might not always feel good while playing a game, but if it's keeping you interested, I think it's worth playing. The concept of fun is too restrictive, I think.

If the game doesn't sell a lot... why bother?

>>381782028
If you enjoy doing it then yes.
You shouldn't be asking me, ask your self

>>381781630
>>381781826
Autists shitting up another thread cause they can't understand a universal known term usually describing emotions

>>381781826
You literally just proved me right you absolute fucking idiot.

Where in your image is fun called an emotion? Where in your image is fun pidgeonholed into a specific kind of enjoyment?

You feel immersed? You're ENJOYING the immersion and are having fun. Feeling challenged? You're ENJOYING the challenge and having fun. Feeling accomplished after winning? You're FUCKING ENJOYING THE FEELING OF FUCKING ACCOMPLISHMENT AND ARE DERIVING FUN FROM THAT EMOTION.

FUN IS NOT AN EMOTION YOU FUCKING RETARD! YOU DON'T WAKE UP IN THE MORNING FEELING FUN DO YOU, YOU SACK OF SHIT RETARDED FAGGOT!

IT'S NOT A FUCKING EMOTION!

fun is a social construct you bigots

>>381780289

How the fuck was the story in TLoU great?

>>381782196
Fun isn't an emotion. Learn the language you are speaking.

>>381781370
>Why do developers cater to them.
It's because you let them speak instead of shutting them up, thinking their opinion matters

>have fun doing something
>NO YOU DIDN'T FAGGOT

well shit, now what do I do

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>>381780101
>when you're a neofag and reggie starts he won't overtly support BLM and denounce Trump as a nazi terrorist babykicker man

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how can he be so right

>>381782420
You are actually autistic, leave

>>381780289
I thought it was fun. Hitting people with a bow was satisfying, same with El Diablo

>>381782843
Do you feel fun right now?

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People are mad because vidya has been infested with pseudo-intellectual shit bags who are too stupid to understand books or movies so they try to find any reason to make video games more "adult" to them.

Watch, soon the strategy is going to change from "Fun isn't important." To "FUN IS CRINGEY! I CRINGED I GRINNNNGGGGED!!!"

>>381781865
What?
>reggie says the most agreeable things possible and nintenbros eat it up.
..of course we eat it up, it's not something you can disagree with, it's just common sense. You fags are the one getting triggered by that because for you games should be movies. I dont know what you're trying to say here lol

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>>381782230
Fucking kek, what a spastic. He actually got triggered. Screencapped. Your autism will now be immortalized.

>>381782028
Most people who don't find that fun wind up quitting, or wishing they would quit.

>>381782230
What is... fun?

>>381782230
10/10 autism right here

>>381781738
Says the guy who posts a Mickey Mouse reaction image

>>381782230
I'm having FUN making you look like a total tool. Hahaha.

Games should be fun, cool and good awesome.

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>/v/ once again confirming that fun things are not indeed fun

>>381783108
go away phoneposter

>>381780289
TLOU was fun though, it has the best third-person shooting since Resident Evil 4

>>381780101
>The movie is fun. If it's not fun, why bother? You want me to watch fancy classical cinema? I'll watch Suicide Squad instead.
>The music is fun. If it's not fun, why bother? You want me to listen to Mozart? I'll listen to Katy Perry instead.
>The book is fun. If it's not fun, why bother? You want me to read a history book? I'll read Harry Potter part 19-2, it's fun.
The ultimate pleb argument.

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>>381783189

>>381780101
I think it's funny even when normalfags describe tlou as "one of the best games they ever played they still describe it like "it was a slog to go through at times." Really makes me wonder if they actually enjoyed the game or they're just pretending.

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>>381780101
Fun means different things to different people.

I find the stress of time limits and inventory management to be fun. Someone else enjoys the creative mode of Minecraft. We find both our things fun even if we don't find each other's things fun.

So when someone says "This is a bad game because it isn't fun", likely there's a few people out there who think that guy can go get fucked.

>>381783413
How can a game be fun? How can a game be not fun?

Is fun qualitative? If so, what are the traits that define, fun?

>>381780289
Not that I liked TLOUs story, but I found gameplay pretty fun.

Can't fun be used as a synonim of entertaining though?

If a game isn't entertaining then what's the point?

>>381781207
Thanks senpai.
Now I know I wasn't having fun with that fighting game, I was being challenged.
I was playing Persona 5 the other day and I legit thought I was having fun, but alas, no. I was having intricate.
It's so easy to mistake yourself these days.

>>381783549
Anything can be entertaining. Playing with a rubber band can be entertaining. All videogames, all of them, by their very nature, are fun.

>>381783669
>All videogames, all of them, by their very nature, are fun.

Well if they're not fun then they're bad games. Bad games aren't fun.

>>381783669
>All videogames, all of them, by their very nature, are fun
That doesn't make any sense.

>>381783669
I agree

What's the problem here then?

>>381783413
>>381782776
Fun, as Reggie is using it, is indeed a buzzword.

Just for fun, hit ctrl + F and search "fun". Whatever meaning the world "fun" had before is now completely lost after saying it so many times

>>381781370
A lot of developers have begun to tune them out.
There was a period in the early 2010s and late 2000s where neogaf was actually being taken pretty seriously as a way to gauge interest for certain topics in games and such, because /v/ was scary to devs or something, but since then they've become a laughing stock.
Cliffy BAZINGA pissed them off quite a bit a few years ago when he said that most devs don't take them seriously at all anymore

>>381783739
Is it "fun" to be scared? A good horror game isn't exactly "fun". If you consider a feeling of fear "fun", I guess everything that makes you engaged is "fun".

>>381783536
Fun is subjective.
Is game entertaining and enjoyable when you play it? It's fun.
If you feel like you're wasting your time and playing is a chore then it's not fun.

>>381783359
The post that killed /v/. Now people use "fun is a buzzword" as an actual argument.

>>381783354

>Classical cinema, Mozart and History books are not fun
>Things I don't like are not fun

/v/ - opinions are facts

>>381780289
The gameplay is fun, and so is the multiplayer.

>>381783918
>Things I don't like are not fun
Isn't that pretty much the definition of fun? Everything is fun to someone. Some people like cutting themselves, I wouldn't call it a fun thing to do

>>381783892
Yeah, being scared is fun to me, it makes me feel joy after the initial shock, and it quite enjoyable

>>381780969
I'm pretty sure they think fun = laughing and feeling good. That's why sad movies can't be fun.
Why are they allowed to live and destroy our hobbies?

>>381783910
Because it is. Fun is purely subjective.

>>381780198
What about spreadsheet tards like EVE players or micromanagement tards like CK2 players?

On wait, is it possible that "fun" is completely subjective and therefore basically a buzzword in this context?

>>381783898
And then there are times in life when it feel like you're struggling, but look back at them in a couple of months and they become fond memories. Some games are like that. Is that "fun"?

>>381783996
But for them it must be fun.
If they don't enjoy cutting themselves why bother?

>>381783892
The whole thing about the horror genre comes from the fun of being scared.

>>381780198
DaS2 lovers.

>>381784104
>being scared is fun
You're just using "fun" instead of "enjoyable" right now. Yes, every good game is enjoyable. But enjoyable isn't always fun. Eating ice cream is enjoyable. Is it fun?

please murder yourselves

>>381784315
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/fun

Enjoyable is a synonym of fun.

>>381784143
Like war veterans remembering their past?
I'm sure getting shelled wasn't fun but the fact that they survived to tell about it is.( not fun but positive)

>>381784315
You try to make fun and different word than enjoyable.
If you have fun you are enjoying something. They are the same words.

>>381784315
Yes.

Also, he's not using enjoyable, he's using entertaining.

>>381784185
>fun of being scared
Why not jump right to the fun of not having fun if you're using that word in such a retarded manner.

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>>381784315
>eating ice cream isn't fun
What kind of faggot are you?

>>381784416
>>381784427
this
Retards need to learn language.

>>381784391
that wouldn't be fun! :)

>>381784243
It's amazing that the "inferior" Dark Souls 2 is the most fun out of all Souls games.

>>381784481
But not having fun isn't fun.
Like, what's your point with this?
I don't get it

>>381784575
you never know until you try ;^)

>>381781207
Retarded faggot.

>>381784623
/dsg/ came to this conclusion long ago

>>381784662
Can't you enjoy not having fun? I can. Sometimes I feel sad and I enjoy that. Feeling sad is the opposite of having fun, but I do enjoy it. And we already know from this thread >>381784416 that enjoying and having fun are the same. So why can't you have fun because of how little fun you're having? What's the matter with you?

>>381783768
He's right though. If the game isn't fun (for you), why bother?

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ITT neofag shitter fun isnt fun niggers getting btfo

Yes, you fucking retards are destroying videogames.

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Should Nintendo fandom be classified as mental illness at this point?

>>381784873
Wtf is wrong with you? Did you forget to take your anti depression pills?

>everything I like is FUN
Are you people actually retarded? Have you ever seen a drama or heard a sad song that touched you so deeply you broke down in tears and contemplated the meaning of life for hours? That was a good experience, right? So when you're sitting there sobbing like a little bith, is it FUN you're having?

>>381784873
I thought boredom was the opposite of fun.

I wish Nintendo still made fun games.

>>381785108
So sadness is fun then, is that what you're saying? As you're standing in a funeral hall, overtaken by grief, are you having fun? Is that your argument?

All Reggie is essentially saying is "thing should be good!" which is an obvious statement that doesn't mean a whole lot in the end so anyone taking this so deathly seriously may have a problem. These discussions are retarded.

>>381785151
Me too. Arms is fucking awful and Splatoon 2 will be just as bad as the first.

>>381785083
Technically speaking yes.

>>381784873
Huh, I never thought it like that.
You're right then, things like that are fun. Much like videogames should be fun in a basic level to be good. I'm glad we got to this point where we understand what fun means.

Imagine being such an autistic retard that you waste about and hour trying to prove to people that most videogames aren't fun and dictating what is fun or not. Like, getting really to the atomic definition of the word for no reason where you never get to the actual point of the whole discussion.
I can't even imagine being such a faggot, thank god we understand videogames and fun. 'Cause after all, it is a feeling.

amusing, entertaining, or enjoyable.
>amusing
>entertaining
>enjoyable
A horror movie is fun because its entretaining, a joke is fun because is amusing, a video game is fun because you enjoy it, you can enjoy grinding for 3000 hours in a korean MMO and no one can debate that to you.
FUN IS A SUBJECTIVE CONCEPT YOU AUTISTS

>>381785360
I assume you were answering my first question.

>game is fun
>you keep playing

>game bores you therefore not fun
>you stop playing

There are only these 2 options. If you like a sad drama game with no comedy at all it's still fun that you have.

You fucking autists.

>>381785083
Yes.

>>381785083
>sitting there sobbing like a little bith, is it FUN you're having
Yes, I'm having good time.
If my dog dies and my crying then I'm not having fun.

You are the one who is actually retarded.

>>381781207
Damn. How is it possible to be so retarded and so pedantic at the same time?

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>>381781395
You're literally saying fun is a buzzword. Fuck off you gigantic neo faggot.

>>381785452
No they're not. Sometimes a game isn't fun, but you go on because you want to get to the fun part. Sometimes the fun is looking back at the whole journey, even though the journey wasn't that fun.

>>381784623
Dark Souls 2 is terrible

>>381780101
Fun is way too video-gamey.

>>381785449
No I was answering the second.

Let me explain it.

If you enjoyed the song, that means the song was enjoyable, and enjoyable is a synonym of fun.

ERGO

That sad song was fun.

I wouldn't use the word fun but technically speaking it's not incorrect.

>>381785561
Only because you are not stopping doesn't mean it's fun. Especially when you play the boring shit until you get to a good part.

>>381783291
No, fun things CAN be fun, just not the things you find fun. Only fun things I personally find fun are fun.

>>381780101
It's not an argument, fun is subjective. For example grown men spending hundreds of dollars on physical DLC and time and time again getting fucked over by their precision Nintendo doesn't sound fun but they enjoy it

Who tf thinks 'hey this game sucks, makes me hate myself for playing it and isnt any fun but im gonna keep playing just for the hell of it'

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How fucking miserable do you have to be to get triggered at fun?
reconsider your life, you're ruining it just to feel cool
do you seriously think it is worth it?

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>>381784623
>DS2fags

>>381785237
Not all sadness is fun, but people can enjoy being sad. People can enjoy being angry too, look at /v/ and a lot of the internet.

>>381785631
So in that context, what exactly does FUN mean in games? It loses all meaning if you use it so broadly. A FUN game can be a walking simulator as long as I like the way the grass is animated. FUN is a buzzword then, it means nothing.

>>381785715
Literally who doesn't? Do you really drop game the minute you stop enjoying it?

>>381783532
>Everyone has an opinion!
Fuck off. You and every other thin skin bleeding heart faggot can fuck off. You're the reason the game industry is so fucking awful right now. Stop trying to explain away 'cinematic experiences' being shit by saying some people find them fun. No, they're not. They're boring slogs that don't belong in an interactive medium. They might as well be movies. And nobody enjoys having politics shoved down their necks either.

>>381780101
Fun is a buzzword (varies from person to person and something can be fun for terrible reasons) and not necessarily the only good thing about games. There are a multitude of buzzwords that better describe a broader range of games worth playing.

>funfags try to prove that fun isn't a buzzword
>end up saying that literally everything is fun if some retard happened to like it
So it is a buzzword then. Fun doesn't actually mean anything other than "I like it"

>>381785979
I'm having fun reading your triggered post.

>>381783189
Well, let's break it down:

F is for Friends who do stuff together

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>NeoFAGs face when he said fun instead of sales

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>>381786186
So you admit that you're a faggot then?

>>381786170
it's not a fucking buzzword though.

>>381786186
He had fun writing his triggered post. Apparently that's what fun means

This thread ain't fun, I'm out.

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>people praise a game's story
>gameplay is retarded as all hell, either being broken, unfulfilling, unchallenging, or a combination of the three
>mfw I just watch their "game" on youtube and miss nothing

See how this is a major flaw of an interactive medium, when my interaction in the game means nothing?

>>381786271
If your entire argument is "I like it", you don't have an argument. It's a buzzword.

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>>381780945
>>381781050
>/v/'s having hard time admitting it had fun with something
Like fucking pottery.

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>>381780101

>>381786385
Just shut the fuck up.

>>381785873
It means that YOU, the person stating that X is fun finds X fun, is a subjective term, not a fact, is saying that a meal is tasty a buzzword?

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>>381786346
This. It's exactly why I can't find Last of Us to be any fun. It's also why LiS is so bad. It has no gameplay value. Take away the game and you're pretty much left with the exact same thing.

Children have "fun". The rest of us adults will pine for more deep and meaningful experiences from our games.

>>381786536
Yes, "tasty" is a buzzword. Do you think a food critic will just say "it's tasty"? You gotta be able to break down. Or you should just shut the fuck up. Nobody cares what you like, it's not an argument

>>381786641
delete this buh muh story

>>381786641
>>381786346
You bunch of retards, a game doesn't need gameplay to be fun. Didn't you follow the thread? If a story made you sad it's still fun

Getting gangbanged by 50 niggers can be the definition of fun for some.
A clown can be a nightmare for some others.
Suggesting that you know what is fun for others is some heavy prepotent thing to do, which it fits for the NOA president.

>implying watching other people play it on twitch tv isnt fun
>implying posting my highscore on facebook isnt fun
>implying just playing it for the story isnt fun

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>>381780101
>How fucked are video games that these two sentences upset people?

Fuck kind of dumbass are you?

Video games an mainstream as all fuck with all kinds and groups of people being into them. Like shit why are fags so fixated on a small vocal group of dumbasses. Like shit what kind of disorder is it that compels people to seek out shit that will blatantly upset them.

Like damn small group of dumb people acting dumb acted dumb. how is that a shocker of any sort or even anything of relevance at all?

Seriously. What type of disorder do these people have that they need to validate whatever wrong and stupid preconceived notion by pretending that small groups of dumb retards are representative of some group or whole from which they need to validate whatever emotions they feel for it no matter how unreasonable wrong or stupid it may be.

>>381786654
Is a personal opinion, you can say a place is beautiful, you can say a song is catchy, a girl is hot, etc and people will get that you mean you enjoy those things, you like those things because you find something good in them, you dont need to explain why the girl is hot.
>Nobody cares what you like, it's not an argument
No one is using fun as an argument, Reggie is saying that a game should be fun, this is, it should be enjoyable otherwise is not worth playing.

>>381780289
So the story was fun. You were enjoying the story and having fun while having it unravel before you.

I don't know that the old Resident Evil games, or older survival horror in general, is something I'd call "fun," but I enjoy them.

>>381786756
By that logic, a game's value is diminished if only the story is fun, because you can have the same fun watching the cutscenes online.

>>381786653
>I am a mature gamer who plays mature games lol @ u manchildren *tips fedora*

>>381780101
I feel like I can't care about games anymore unless the story interests me

>>381786756
Then what's the point of buying the game in the first place? I can simply watch someone else play it and not miss a thing. A GAME is supposed to give you an experience that can't be emulated by just watching it.

>>381787018
pretty gay

>>381786975
Then those are fun to you, fun is the same as entertaining, opposite of boring.

>>381780101
I thought Nintendo's stance was awesome, and Reggie not giving a shit about politics was cool

just play the games we make (code for Japan doesn't care about PC culture)

Reggie's a good filter for them

>>381786827
>watching
>muh story
Just watch a movie then. Why play games?

>>381780425
Okay? No shit? What of it?

>>381786975
Horror can be a lot of fun

>>381787018
Then you should go fuck yourself. Faggot. Stop ruining games. Watch movies instead.

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>>381780101
So why do you want me to buy Star Fox Zero, Reggie? It isn't fun at all.

>>381780198
NeoGAF and >>381780772
That's about it

>>381787076
...No, it isn't. Think of other forms of entertainment. You like something because it stimulates you, not because it's necessarily "fun." Pixar animated films are fun. Blue Velvet sure as fuck isn't fun. But I like all the above.

>>381787157
Because it's fun :^)

>>381780772
>boring fun

What did he mean by this

>>381787365
But literally all the reasons you gave can be accomplished with movies and television instead, and with much better results. There's literally no reason for you to play video games.

>>381784879
Because i love Kaz and Sony.

>>381787491
they're fun

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>I like it because it's good

Is this the extent of critical analysis we're dealing with? People happily to dumb down discussion of their hobby into something a propeller cap-wearing child would say and then post smug anime pictures at people who say "but that's stupid" because they're (sadly) a majority?

Objectivity > Subjectivity

>>381787365
>watching twitch streamers is fun
If you're 12

>>381787652
... so you're retarded then?

>>381781395
>or you enjoy
The people we're talking about want games that don't entertain them, that they don't enjoy.

It's meaningless statements from people who just want to be annoyed or outraged.

>>381787743
im just having fun

>>381787257
naw, movies suck

the truth is there are too many "fun" games out there. more than you will ever play

gotta start ignoring games that do nothing but mindless fun

>>381781207
Anon,are you autistic?

>>381787682
That's subjective

>>381787717
>I decise what's fun and what isn't
Hello NOA

>>381787682
I'm sorry anon but...that's your opinion. Bayformers are absolute dogshit from an objective point of view and they still make millions.

>>381784127
Fuck off with that fedora tipping shit.

>>381787876
Please go back to watch twitch faggots you pleb

>>381787945
No way fag. I'm having so much fun posting here.
4chan is fun.

>>381780969
Fun = enjoyment
Fucking retards, why do they play video games ? For knowledge ? lmao

>>381787937
So fun is objective?

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>>381787792
>>381787797
>I'd rather "watch" games
>Nah, I don't want to watch movies. I'd rather ruin games
I fucking hate you people. Get off my board! Get out of my hobby!!!!!

>>381787921

sales are not a marker of quality in any respect. some of the best-selling products are also the worst. We have two major multi-billion dollar industries founded purely on people willingly poisoning themselves. The most popular global burger restaurant has the worst burgers you will ever have in your life.

>>381788095
It's never used that way though, there's plenty of games I enjoy that I wouldn't necessarily call fun.

>>381784141
>What about spreadsheet tards like EVE players or micromanagement tards like CK2 players?
But that's fun to us you retard.

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>>381780289
>le video games have great stories meme
Nintendo gets it right. Video games are about fun, fuck the story. This is coming from a guy who used to like video game stories until I actually started reading books and realized how shitty my taste was before.

>>381788147
But it is fun dude
My fun > you're fun

>>381780958
>then perhaps "fun" isnt the right word
No shit.

Fun IS just a buzzword, sorta.

>>381787672
Honestly this, I don't want to be that "fun is a buzzword" asshole but fun is not a compeling argument for something being good, people might think eating shit is fun, but that doesn't make it good for you.

If you want to sell me on something you better explain yourself better, fun means jackshit to me because It's subjective as hell.

Luckily when you release trailers like the E3 Mario Odyssey trailer you really don't need to explain yourself.

>>381788147
But I'm just having fun

>>381787354
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/entertainment

Entertainment is a synonym of fun.

If Blue Velvet is entertaining then it's fun.

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>>381788051
I bet you donate to twitch whores too faggot

>>381787797
>>381787792
You know what you mouth breathers are? You're fucking casuals. You don't belong here. You're not gamers and I doubt you'd ever let someone call you that in real life. You probably try and distance yourself from other people of this hobby. Well just fuck off.

>>381788349
But I'm having fun

ITT: We try to define fun then realize the concept of fun has no place in video game discussion as it is a meaningless word.

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WHY DOESN'T THE REST OF THE WORLD USE FUN IN OUR VERY SPECIFIC AND STRANGE WAY

>t. /v/

>>381780198
Well them and the masochists who like to play dark souls with their dick in a chastity cage and one hand tied behind their back.

So we all agree fun is a buzzword right?

>>381788272
No, it's not fun. You're a moron and a retard. When you describe what gives you fun you described a movie. So go watch a fucking movie instead! If you think movie suck it's likely because you just watch fucking mainstream shit! Not joking. if I could I'd go to where you live right now and break your hands so you could never type or use a controller ever again. Sorry, but muh fun > your* fun

>>381787368
He said "boing boing fun", anon

>>381788305
No one is selling you anything.

>>381788579
fun is a buzzword is a buzz sentence

>>381783359
And history is repeating itself.

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>>381781207
>Puzzle games and Fighting games aren't fun, they are challenging. RPGs aren't fun, they are intricate, open world games aren't fun, they are immersive (fulfill escapism).

Yes they are fun you fucking retard, if you feel enjoyment playing these games then they are fun.
I hate those pretentious faggots trying to act like vidyas are some sort of "experience" like the bullshit artists in marketing dept pretend.

>>381788698
>game companies aren't trying to sell you hardware and software at E3

Guess I've been watching that shit wrong all these years.

>>381788106
Only the things I like are objectively fun

>>381781738
>"Liking Mario after 16 is bad!"
>posts Mickey Mouse
How many layers of irony are you under right now? Can you still breathe?

>>381785715
I think that about DS2 and I ave like 350 hours in it.

>>381788318
Yes. There's nothing more fune than buying a: thank you darling xoxo

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>>381781207
As someone who enjoys challenge in video games. I'd say the moment of overcoming the challenge instills me with a sense of fun

Fun is subjective bruh. And using it describe anything is like saying "it tastes good" to describe food

>>381788317
The only time you would hear someone say "Blue Velvet sure is a fun movie" is if they're being facetious in regard to how twisted it gets. Media can be emotionally evocative, thought provoking, well crafted, and it's all testament to how good it is, "fun" notwithstanding.

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>>381788815
You're going to attack that Anon's reaction image THATS your go to defense?

See me after class.

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>>381781207
Christ.

>>381788163
Worth of a product is not just how "good"the product is, convenience, price, and a lot of other factors make a product desirable and subjectively good for customers.
The pizza I make myself at home is way better, as a pizza, than a domino's one, but maybe is not better as a product, maybe under certain circumstances I will prefer a shitty domino's rather than making a pizza myself.

>>381788584
But I'm have so much fun watching someone else play vidya. Meanwhile watching movies is a fucking bore.
Fun things are fun, anon.

>>381780289
If I wanted a good story, I would read a book or watch a movie.

>>381786986
Wowee, what a shitpost. Good job anon.

>>381788952
Maybe it's not something that people wouldn't say, but saying "Blue Velvet was entertaining" is the same as saying "Blue Velvet was fun".

entertainment is by its very nature supposed to be fun. It doesn't matter if you're watching a sad movie, playing a difficult videogame, or reading a comfy book, these are all entertainment. Yes, you are entertained in different ways but you are ultimately entertained, and that is what fun is. Fun is enjoyment and entertainment. If a game isn't enjoyable or entertaining, it's not fun.

>>381789036
He attacked my definition of fun, so I can attack something dear to him in defense

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>>381781207
>RPGs aren't fun, they are intricate
I am so confused to the point that I cannot even get mad at this.

>>381780969
>City of God
>not fun
THIS NIGGA

>/v/ - Linguistics

>>381780101
I think it is an archaic way of seeing games. Fun is not the only reason why people consume entertainment, otherwise the only shit being produced would be comedies.

>>381789036
Dumbass, Mario and Mickey are both pop culture icons marketed to kids. You can't throw age arguments at people for liking one while you like the other. It's a pot/kettle situation.

>>381789184
>I liked this thing
>Why?
>Because it was entertaining
>What was entertaining about it?
>It was fun
>...uh, okay

It's an anti-intellectual mode of thought this reasoning comes from. Congratulations, you avoided being "wrong," but you still sound stupid. Mobile games are fun, why aren't they posted on this board? Could it be that things like depth and content have more to do with quality than just "fun"?

>>381780289
>Nintendogaf the post

>>381789487
You're attacking a fucking reaction image anon. Do you not know how retarded you look right now?

>>381780969
City of God is fun as fuck tho. The reason it stands out between the other thousand nigger suffering movies in Brazil is the fact that the movie is not a chore to watch.

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>>381780101
I think that this logic is true 90% of the time but I don't think it's always applicable. "Fun" is not easily defined. Silent Hill is not "fun" in a traditional, gameplay sense but I find exploring and being immersed in the spooky atmosphere very fun.

>>381786654
>Nobody cares what you like, it's not an argument

So you ask what the definition of fun is, which is a completely subjective term, then tell people to fuck off with their opinion? There is no objective fun. Some people are terrified of roller coasters, while some people like them. Fun is literally what the singular person finds enjoyable, not what everyone enjoys together.

>>381789036
>>381789487
And if it isn't obvious, I'm the guy you replied to, not >>381789204.

>>381780101

That sums up all Nintendo games for me Reggie :3 no wonder I don't play Nintendo

>>381789593
But doing so was fun to me. Are you saying that having fun is wrong?

>>381789537
I think you misunderstood me, I was only trying to say that entertaining and fun are synonyms. I even said "Maybe it's not something that people would* say"

>>381789593
You're completely missing the point.

>an entire thread dedicated to autistically arguing about what it means for something to be "fun" or what it means to have fun with something
Jesus Christ, I stopped coming to /v/ for so long I forgot how bad it was here.

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>>381789593
Wrong hated disney since childhood.
playing nintendo since childhood.
False equivalency is for children dummy.

/v/ - Semantics

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>>381780101
My favorite game is a game I would say isn't fun to play, but that's the point of the game.

>>381789593
Attacking dumb mickey mouse and cropped hentai posters is fun. If it's not fun, why bother?

>>381783354
So you watch classical cinema even if you don't like it? Why?

>>381780101
The logic is 100% foolproof, but what he failed to clarify is that fun comes in many different shapes and forms so you have retarded sonybros getting mad thinking that he's making fun of movie games like TLoU.

>>381780101
there's nothing wrong with what he said
it just sounds funny coming from nintendo, especially reggie
nintendo games are not fun
>BING BONG WAHOO I LOVE COLLECTING COINS

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>>381780101
>>"The game is fun. If it's not fun, why bother?"
There's evidence that games that normies or casuals might not consider "fun" are deeply satisfying to some because they fulfill the roll of a demanding job or career:

http://reason.com/archives/2017/06/13/young-men-are-playing-video-ga

I exclusively play sandbox games on PC nowadays though I have had more "fun" playing things like Heroes of the Storm; ie casual shit.

>>381788305
However, fun is a compelling argument for WHY I PERSONALLY enjoyed something. "Oh why do you like that game?" "I played it and had fun."

>>381784141
>micromanagement tards like CK2 players
You are sorely mistaken if you think people take CK2 seriously as a strategy game. It's just an elaborate medieval porn simulator.

>>381790058
Art can give you other states-of-mind other than fun, like awe for example

>>381780101
smartest thing I have ever heard come out of his damn mouth to be honest.

That's the one thing Nintendo will always have over Microsoft SUPER MATURE AND SERIOUS and Sony occasional nonsense with movie games(but at least the still make the web games I need).

>>381780101
Name one unfun game

>>381790249
art is a buzzword

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>/v/ is so autistic it doesn't understand what fun is

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>>381790208
That's only if you have the shitty Way of Life DLC.

The game is a proper sim game with that turned off.

>>381790351
What's fun?

>>381790343
Your life is a buzzword

>>381783853
But judging from the games getting released they are taken serious, as if they were the main audience for games.
Just look at the amount of interactive movies announced at E3.

>>381790320
Dwarf Fortress

I love that game but it's not fun to play at all, otherwise I'd be playing it right now. But it led to Rimworld so it's all good.

>>381790437
Baby don't bore me.

>>381790320
your favorite game

>>381790437
whats fun got to do with it

>>381780969
>Dotard saying games don't need to be fun
lmaoing all the way to the bank
That's too fucking perfect.

>>381780512
Which books?

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>>381780969
>Games have to be immersive, they don't have to be fun.
I think this was Capcom's thinking process for this.

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>>381780101
>How fucked are video games that these two sentences upset people?

It's a moronic sentence.

Because you can't define fun.

>>381790657
Go cry somewhere else Nintenbro.

>BING BING WAHOOOO

Can I just take a moment and say I love this meme.

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>>381790710
>Because you can't define fun.
the modern intellectual

>>381790936
No, give it back.

>>381790437
The game

>>381790895
Triggered?

>>381790710
Actually you can, retarded animeposter-kun.

Fun can be used both as an adjective or noun to describe any situation where a person is gaining pleasure.

>>381791060
What is fun

>eating good food
>sex
>achieving objectives in a game
>winning money or desirable prizes
>clean bowel movement

this is a good def

>>381790943
>>381791060
In the context of a video-game you can't define it, it's a pointless effort.

Because anything can be fun to the one playing it.

The statement is correct, fun is the only thing you should find in a videogame.
The other hand is define what fun is. There is not a general definition of fun, like there is no one for "beautiful" or "right" or "wrong" and you can wage war for all the eternity in the struggle to find a common ground.
For example for me going to the gym is fun, lifting, running, keep myself to the edge i find pleasure on doing it and if it would be possibile i would stay there 24\24. I think a lot of people here cant find this "fun" but a chore to avoid being fat or a mean for getting something. I also like nep games cause i think they are fun and cute, yes they are stupid they have no such "big" plot or characters but are fun in term of gameplay and i enjoy playing them.

>>381791376
>Because anything can be fun to the one playing it.
No. Not anything can be fun, that's an absurd definition. What is up with modern philsophy? Why is it so bankrupt?

You probably think this because you see someone playing a game that looks incredible stupid or routine, but to them it's satisfying on a deep cognitive level. Otherwise it's unlikely they would engage in what is basically colorful, rote work.

The universe may be "random" but individuals have capacity to reason, at least on some level. they do things for reasons.

>>381781738
>being this jaded

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>>381791376
>In the context of a video-game you can't define it
>video HYPHEN game
No, you're retarded. The case of having fun in a videogame is completely irrelevant. The experience of fun is subjective, so two people may not have fun doing the same thing. But there is fun being had I assure you.

>>381780101
"Entertaining" would be a better word to use probably. Nintendo gains more from saying "fun" though since that can more easily be linked to their less serious stuff like mario and imply that the more serious companies aren't as fun.

Saying a game is fun is fine as long as you also say what made it fun, but just saying "it's fun" is irrelevant and not a real argument at all. What's fun for you is not fun for everyone.

>>381783345
this is the shittiest opinion I've read in a while

>>381791749
Exactly this. You can't really use fun as a reason. You're basically just saying "I like it" but you have to give a reason as to why you like it.

>>381783354
>games are art too!
just fuck off already

>>381791932
>you have to give a reason as to why you like it

Why though? Maybe you like it and don't really know what makes you like it in particular. That doesn't make me not like it or find it fun.

>>381781023
The most fun was 5 gameplay wise. It was superior in almost every way to 4 in fun factor. 4 is still considered the better game for not having such a dull story/characters and having a better atmosphere.

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>>381791749
>>381791932
Explain why you like tits and ass

Don't just say "they're fun" I want reasons.

>>381792113
They are fun.

>>381792113
cuz i'm not gay lol

>>381783345
No it wasn't. Shooter wise it's less than mediocre. The pacing is boring and slow. All the 'puzzles' are so easy it's almost offensive. The hand to hand combat is retardedly easy, and those instant death enemies are pure bullshit. Stealthwise it's less intuitive and more simple than stealth games released half a decade before it was released. And good god, there are so many game breaking bugs. TLOU is a horrible 'game'. Feels like it should've just been and AMC movie.

>>381781727
F is for friends who do stuff together.
U is for (you) and me!
N is for niggas anywhere and anytime
Doen here in the deep blue /v/!

>>381792036
But I do know why I like games. If asked for a reason I could actually give a reason. That's how I know they're fun.

The only times I hate when people use the word fun is when you have some actual, well-explained criticism of a game, but it's shut down with just "but it's fun".

Otherwise it's fine.

>>381781207
>RPGs aren't fun, they are intricate, open world games aren't fun, they are immersive (fulfill escapism

Bullshit. Fallout New Vegas is a great example of a open world intricate RPG that can still be fun.

Don't bullshit me for a second that "Fly Me to The Moon"from New Vegas isn't fun. That's the quest where you find a dude that was convinced he was a ghoul by a group of ghouls in a cult, and you can send rockets flying "to the moon" (they crash nearby anyway) all to the track "Flight of the Valkyries" as a quest ending. That's not immersive, it's a funny happy little questline. They don't add a dinosaur shaped building to be immersive, they do it because it's fun to have a dinosaur shaped building in the game.

>>381792113
The mammary glands are a defining feature of mammals, and as a man my brain is wired to derive sexual pleasure from these objects, especially when they are large.

To all of you, in this thread, right now.

Shitposting here -- are you having fun?

>>381792402
>''Fun''

I am not a child.

>>381792209
It's the same shit with Telltale games. Pretty-looking dramatic novels; it's charitable to describe them as "on the rails".

I can't even play a game that's not open-world anymore.

>>381790627
Gravity's Rainbow

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>>381792465
Then why bother?

>>381792357
>it's just the hardware bro
that's what I mean. You can't really give me a reason because it's occluded in your grey matter.

Explaining why people like things the way >>381791932 is asking is nigh impossible, for the most part. Explaining why a game is satisfying might be possible.

>>381783108
>a falseflagging retard screencaps the falseflagger that was falseflagging their falseflagging

this is /v/ now. What a shithole.

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>>381792113
Because they mathematically are perfect shapes and they feel good to squeeze and put my dick between them. They're usually attached to cute girls too. If the girl is an insufferable cunt then me fucking their ass makes me feel like I'm dominating them, but if they're not then it feels like a mutually enjoyable experience.

>>381792556
I have to enlighten others and make them give up on ''Fun'' to make the world a better place.