Why did Nintendo fuck up so much with The Legend of Zelda:

>>381758652
aonuma is getting old

they didn't. it was incredible. stop shitposting with the same threads over and over again

Aonuma hated the Wii.

>>381758758
They did, it was shit. Stop shilling in the same threads over and over again

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>>381758652
I had fun

>>381759020
you're wasting your life shitposting on an image board. congrats

>>381758758
chuggaaconroy pls go

>>381758652
Good lord the size of that UI

>>381758652
Skyward zelda is so fucking hot.

>>381758652
Way too many babies bought a wii.
Therefor they had to make baby games to please their consumers.

>>381759118
you're wasting your life shilling on an image board. congrats

>>381759167
>Only hardcore nintenbros bought Wii U
>They made the neckbeard game of Zeldas for it

Woah makes sense

Is this game worth going back and trying again? I got past the first dungeon and lost interest. I hate the motion controls, and the graphics are some of the worst I've ever seen in a game. Does it get good enough later in the game to make up for that?

>>381759345
No, not only is it shit the whole way though. But the story retroactively makes every other Zelda slightly more shitty.

>>381759345
If you're a Zelda fan, I think it's worth playing through once, but that's it. I've not touched the game since watching the credits roll in 2011. The beginning of the game is by far the most boring part. The dungeons in particular get better as you go on. I enjoyed the controls though, for the most part. My gripes were the annoying companion, excruciatingly slow and boring intro, and the menu that pops up every time you pick up a small item that you already have 35 of. If those things sound worth it to you, go for it.

Zelda hasn't had a good games in the series since Wind Waker unfortunately.

>>381758652
they were trying to distance the series from the oot formula but didn't have a core concept to justify it so they ended up with a bloated, incoherent mess

>>381759907
A Link Between Worlds was pretty good

>>381758652

A few things to consider.

1) Nintendo HAD to attempt 1:1 sword controls, even though the tech wasn't quite there yet. People would have always complained if Nintendo didn't try it. Yes the would.
2) It was an attempt to take the series in a fresh direction. People didn't like it, mostly because of the linearity and lack of overworld (which Nintendo took to heart and gave us BotW next). But somethings stuck around, like the stamina bar and crafting.
3) The Wii sold about 100 million units by the time SS was released, Nintendo couldn't ignore the fact that entire new demographs owned a Wii. SS was designed to accommodate the notion that SS would be many people's first Zelda, which is why there so much hand holding (title screen even has an instructional video for fuck's sake).

Despite the negativity, Skyward Sword is still a solid gaming experience.

>>381758652
>tfw not enough skyward sword sfm

>>381759907
Objective.

Zelda fans can't agree on anything. The reality is that there isn't a single BAD Zelda game. They all have their merits.

Some asshole will post the CDI games as a response to this, won't they?

>>381761808
>Some asshole will post the CDI games as a response to this, won't they?
No. Botw, the open world memeshit game does that task instead.

>>381761854
Really? Last time I checked it was regarded as one of the best games ever made. I guess all those journalists, industry devs and gaming fans are wrong. Thank fuck you're here .

>>381762043
>the entire consumerbase and industry are shit

Who would have known

>>381761854
>the open world memeshit game
Silly kiddies thinking 'open world' is something new when the original NES Zelda was doing it back in the 80's.

>>381762148
>the original NES Zelda was doing it back in the 80's.
open world wasnt a thing during that time. though retarded people like you managed to somehow change "adventure" into "open world."

>>381762092
We have another special snowflake here people.

Shhhhhh..... don't scare him. He's precious.

>>381761808
The train one was kinda shit, imo.

>>381762204
As someone who was playing games at the time I can tell you right now that NES Zelda blew people's minds with it's nonlinearity. Being able to go anywhere you want and make your own personal adventure was the game's biggest hook.

And yes, I know there were other nonlinear games at the time, but Zelda was high profile and actually GOOD.

The only thing about SS I hated was how fast the Wii Motion + ate through batteries, I had to buy a recharged just for that one game

>>381762307
I liked Spirit Tracks more than Phantom Hourglass.

Neither are bad games though. Some will hate them. The Zelda series is too big now for Nintendo to make just ONE game which will satisfy everyone. People like Zelda for different reasons.

Case in point; Explorefags love BotW but Dungeonfags hate it.

>>381762545
>tfw MM and BoTW are my favourite Zeldas
What does that make me?

>>381762674
a shallow faggot

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>>381762725
>Shallow faggot
>Like the deepest Zelda game

>>381762776
>zelda
>deep

zeldafags

>>381762809
I said "Deepest Zelda game."

The deepest puddle is still a puddle. Please learn to English.

>>381762882
>a puddle is deep

a retarded zeldafag at that

>>381758652
It needs a remaster for the Wii U with classic controlls

>>381762674
Well, I guess both games are a break from the regular Zelda conventions. Perhaps you're just a rebel.

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>>381758652
DUDE ZELDA IS NOTHING BUT PUZZLES EVEN COMBAT IS LIKE A PUZZLE

>>381758652
They didn't. All the hate is just meme-ing and nostalgia fagging.

>>381759167
>>381759319
>have shitposted on /v/ for so long they literally can't communicate in any literate form and instead only speak in buzzwords
How sad.

>>381762975
Never going to happen. The game is built around the swordplay. You can't change it without fundamentally changing the entire game.

More likely, if they ever did remaster it, they would map the sword motions to the 2nd analogue stick. That would work.

The Zelda Cycle is still operational.

>>381762674
someone with good taste

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>>381763269
I mean it worked just fine in Metal Gear Rising.

>>381761671
>Despite the negativity, Skyward Sword is still a solid gaming experience.

That's where I disagree. SS commits the highest sin a game can commit, it's fucking boring.

This is the one Zelda game that made me almost lose all interest in the series. If I hadn't watched streamers play BOTW I would have never picked it up. SS was anime shit.

>>381763370
It didn't. Platinum threw everything KojiPro had made for MGS Rising out after discoverying it was all crap and then made the entire game from the ground up again.

>>381763269
Works fine in Dolphin.

>>381758652
While I think the motion controls themselves worked well, I think they had an overall negative impact on the game's design.

>had to put an insane amount of time into making the motion controls work, taking away time/budget/etc from other aspects of the game
>lower enemy variety because of the motion control combat
>overbearing companion because Nintendo was worried that people wouldn't understand the motion controls
etc

Though to be fair this applies to other Zeldas in different ways. They keep trying to reinvent the wheel with new gimmicks and end up messing with the game's core design. Yes, that includes BotW. TP probably suffers the least from this issue because while the wolf segments are a problem, they're not absolutely pervasive like the gimmicks of other games.

>>381763426
>it's fucking boring.
It has some really pacing issues and padding. It would benefit from being a few hours shorter (the demise beast should only have been fought ONCE imo).

But still a solid game, even if flawed.

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>>381763426
The only boring part was the flying. Everything else was fun.

>>381763483
>anime shit
What does this even mean? You do know Zelda is a Japanese series, right? How underage are you?

>>381758652
3D SS > WW > OoT > BoTW > MM

2D ALttP > ALBW > MC > LoZ4SA > LoZ > LA > OoA > OoS > PH > LoZ2 > ST

>>381763551
I don't think you understand what you're replying to, anon.

Try reading again.

>>381761808

>Some asshole will post the CDI games as a response to this, won't they?

well they ARE Zelda games, aren't they?

>The reality is that there isn't a single BAD Zelda game

Skyward Sword was bad. I can't understand people defending it

>>381763568
Never played on dolphin. How do the controls work? The game requires you to use your sword in specific motions, how does that translate to a button press? I'm genuinely curious.

>>381762092
>everything is shit except my opinion
nice

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>>381763645
It's more like a very flawed game with some redeeming qualities instead of a solid game.

Skyward Sword is actually the last good Zelda game. Yes, it's more formulaic than Twilight Princess but as far as gameplay and level design is concerned it makes Breath of the Wild look like a bad joke and blows that piece of garbage Wind Waker out of the fucking water!

>>381762921
>can't into analogies
>calls others retarded
pot meet kettle

>>381763673
>Everything else was fun
>robot escort mission
>tadtones
>imprisoned fights
>first dungeon backtracking
>swimming with motion controls
>fi spoiling puzzle solutions
>that training sequence before the flying whale boss
>the volcano stealth section
>fun
nah

>>381758652
http://nintendotoday.com/aonuma-on-hand-holding-in-games/
>“I think that one thing all game developers worry about when they’re putting something into a game is, ‘Will people notice it? Will people realize what they’re supposed to do?’ And we kind of have a bad habit of hand-holding, trying to make things easier for everyone. But more and more, I start to think that that kind of isn’t actually that fun.”
Aonuma thought everyone needed their hand held and no one liked to get lost.

>>381763834
Holy shit please be bait.

>>381758652
I liked it, I think it has some of the best dungeons in the series

>>381763760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOlwmCc5G0I

>>381762545
100% true anon.
>SS would be many person's first Zelda
10 years for now, when the grognards will be fucking extinct, Skyward Sword will be remembered as a childhood game. Bad memories and nostalgia will make up for the game's shortcomings. A NES classic edition equivalent for Wii will be released. Parents will make their kids play Skyward Sword. And it will be highly overrated, like every Zelda game ever.

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>>381763952
We already know Aonuma is an idiot who doesn't understand video games

Pic related, the hardest fucking bosses in video game history

>>381763834
>shit motion controls
>only 3 generic levels you have to repeat 2 times
>good gameplay and level design
At least BotW and WW weren't fucking hallways. If you aren't baiting then kill yourself, you delusional contrarian.

>>381763934
sounds like you're just a bitch

>>381764078
>And it will be highly overrated, like every Zelda game ever.
kys

>>381763952
>muh Aonuma scapegoat
it was a company wide belief that informed the design of most nintendo games, see the evolution of 3D mario from galaxy to 3D World

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>>381764128
His Octorok hateboner is pretty hilarious

>>381764180
Shitting on any Zelda makes you a contrarian. The CDI games were literally the only bad ones.

People on /v/ just can't accept that there are areas between bad and perfect.

>>381764253
>>381764128
Fuck the Octorok's in BoTW.

>Shield reflecting is useless since it takes forever to bounce back unless you're point black.
>If you're point blank they don't shoot

>>381764180
Open worlds are garbage game design for autists, kill yourself.

And get some hand-eye coordination before you do, butterfingers.

>>381764008
>liking botw and wind waker
Ah yes, I just remembered why I abhor Zelda fans.

>>381764465
>trying the git gud defense for skyward sword of all games
get a hold of this mongoloid

>>381764231
>muh "Aonuma can do nothing wrong"
It depends on the game and its director/team, faggot. Metroid Prime 3 was made during the Wii era and didn't have that philosophy. But then they gave Metroid to Team Ninja and Sakamoto and it ended up being the opposite.

Aonuma fully subscribed to that belief and that's his fault. Nintendo didn't force him to.

>>381764465
Flailing my arm around like a retard is so difficult, you guys.

>>381764253
>makes Guardians super powerful, deadly things because it's like "how an octorok feels to a person playing Zelda 1 for the first time"
>literally only Aonuma is the only person who has ever thought this about octoroks

>being so fucking bad at Zelda he projects his experience with it to the rest of the fucking world

>>381764550
>BAWWWW I'M TOO STUPID TO CONTROL MY MOVEMENTS AND SWING THE WIIMOTE PROPERLY BAAAAAWWWWWWWWW
This goes beyond autism, this is straight up asperger's!

>>381764528
Never played BoTW but Wind Waker is good you turbo autist. At the very least, it's miles better than that dumpter fire SS.

>>381764594
Well apparantly it is, for some people. But I can tell that you never got far in the game if you seriously think that's all there is to it.

>>381764580
> Metroid Prime 3 was made during the Wii era and didn't have that philosophy.
yes it did you fucking retard, they separated the game into individual levels instead of the large interconnected worlds of the first two games and you got mission briefings everytime you landed on a new planet

>>381764647
The fuck it isn't you turbo autist. Skyward Sword has actual level design. You know, that thing the Zelda and the new Mario don't.

>>381764756
I know, having to play Simon before flailing my arms is pretty tough.

>>381764815
It had a little bit of hand holding compared to previous games, but it wasn't nearly as bad as Other M. The point is a Nintendo game can have different philosophies just because of who's behind it.

>>381765031
Yep, you both suck AND you don't know what you're talking about.

So, you suck, basically.

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>>381764842
>and the new Mario don't.
Thanks for you're admitting you're underage and never played Mario 64

>>381765143
Sorry, forgot this board is too young to know Simon. Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_(game)

>>381765205
It's always people who can't play anything themselves shitting on true 3D platforming, amazing.

>>381764842
I get you want to fit in or something but the "/v/ is contrarian" meme is nothing but a meme. All you're doing is making yourself look mentally handicapped. Just stop embarrassing yourself.

>>381764842
>actual level design
the lake area is legitimately one of the worst levels in any nintendo game and if you think anything in ss is better designed than botw's overworld you're a monumental faggot

>>381759858
is the intro worse than the one in Twilight Princess?

>>381765486
Yes. Twilight Princess takes about 2 hours before you get to leave and do anything.
Skyward Sword is about 6 hours.

>>381758652
>tfw had more fun with SS than OoT.

>>381758758
This. SS was the best console Zelda since MM.

>>381765543
oh fuck

>>381765543
and once you leave the tutorial area the first thing you do is more pointless mindnumbing busywork before finally reaching the first dungeon

>>381761671
>Nintendo HAD to attempt 1:1 sword controls
They didn't, though. Skyward Sword only uses 8-directional canned animations and a couple of special moves for combat. 1:1 control stops as soon as the sword is swung. the actual combat is a shallow mini-game that is reused hundreds of times with very little variation.
It wasn't because Wii Motion Plus couldn't handle 1:1 either, Wii Sports Resort showed that it could, extremely well even.
Skyward Sword had unfun combat because of poor design decisions.

>>381765840
It also has tutorials to the very end of the game.

I really enjoyed Skyward Sword. It's a great game, that has one very annoying flaw. Hand holding. The constant messages about items you pick up and Fi basically telling you what to do are very annoying, I'd love to play the game again with those messages removed in a Hero mode.

>>381767068
>"Oh, you're playing this on Hero Mode, so you probably already know this! BUT I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT IT AGAIN ANYWAY, TEEHEE"
Yeah, that's what I want on my second playthrough, Nintendo, even more dialogue in my unskippable tutorials.

>>381766852
>It wasn't because Wii Motion Plus couldn't handle 1:1 either, Wii Sports Resort showed that it could, extremely well even.
I think the problem is that the Wii itself couldn't handle what to do with elbows.

The falseflagging in this thread is appalling.

Why are you trying that hard to keep the myth of the Zelda cycle alive?
It does not exist. SS is objectively the worst mainline Zelda game in history.

>>381768072

Don't worry anon, I've been saying SS was shit since about 2 weeks after launch day, and I have no intention of stopping. If BotW had been worse people might have a chance of keeping the Zelda Cycle alive, but the myth's been shattered at this point. It's not even a discussion.

>>381758758
This is a joke right? Besides lore implications the game was shit, incredibly repetitive and just downright boring.