>he uses gunboats or banners instead of good ol' shotty

>>381753896
I don't

i suck at team fortress 2

I sold all my items because dead game.

>>381753985
I want to do that, but scrap.tf makes me think I'd get less than a dollar

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I don't.

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>>381753896
I almost never play soldier.

>>381753896
I don't have a pocket medic girlfriend

>>381753896
I use the Concherer because I like supporting my team. What's your excuse?

>he still plays this game

>>381753896
gunboats are fun

>>381754728
Bull-fucking-shit, you're using it for passive regen.

>>381754675
I'll be your medic gf if you have a cool unusual

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I only use banners [spoilers]The Conch and the Shitbox[/spoiler] on 2Fort

>>381753896

Because if you don't jump around the map you aren't playing the class right and I only need 3 rockets to get the job done. Enjoy your 40 health rocket jumps

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I like going fast

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>>381754957
>Black box users

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>>381754929
ctrl+s newfag

>>381754957

>Because if you don't jump around the map you aren't playing the class righ

They why do I always make your kind ragequit? Also, why do gunboats shitters always bitch about teamwork when all they do is steal metal and health all around the map?

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>Mfw I only use stock weapons on every single class
>Mfw beating those glowing retards who use new weapons with stuff like the scattergun, the pistol or the normal wrench

The only non-stock weapon I use is the frying pan because it was my favorite weapon in L4D2 and I find it hilarious.

>>381755153
you use the direct hit because you can't hit airshots with stock

>>381754909
Why the fuck wouldn't you use it for everything?

>whole team moves as fast as scouts
>35% leech
>fixes the bugged NPC AI so that they actually capture the point

>>381755160
You act like anyone uses anything but the stock scattergun

>payload map
>Be stuck in Red with no med
>run Buff Banner to give the team a faux Kritzkrieg
>don't take it off when a real Kritz med comes along and Kritz me to keep the team in constant crits-per-second mode
It's called le TEAM Fortress 2

>>381755490
>teammates understanding what buffs are or coordinating with you
pick one

>>381755546
That's why I run Buff Banner. Even pablo.santana.2006 knows that glowy weapon hits harder.
And when you've given them enough glowy runtime, they get the point that every time the helmet guy plays the trumpet you need to attack the bad guys.

>>381755475
The rare times I see people playing scout, they always use the Soda Popper or the Baby Face's Blaster

>>381753896
I use stock shotgun for Soldier and Engie.
Flare Gun and Sandvich are just too useful to pass up.

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If you use any of these weapons it's time to uninstall.

>>381756031
>Natascha
Found the Lime Scout

Who here /EurekaeffectWidowmakerEngie/?

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>>381756139
>natascha
>killing anything

>>381756031
Why the Huolong Heater?

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>>381756031
>Sandman is a crutch
If you can't aim for shit it's worthless

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>>381756031
I've been using the Sandman a lot recently to get my last jollies in before they fucking bury it.

>>381756031
>HE DOSNT PLAY HOW I PLAY REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
kys

>>381756226
spychecking for bad heavies

>>381756246
>talking about aim
>needs to stun players to kill them

>>381756031
The dead ringer is actually completely necessary for certain points on certain maps, it's not a simple replacement or a meme equip like nearly everything else in that image.

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>>381756220
>Needing to Kill anything
>Not using it solely to annoy Scunts
It's like you hate having fun

>>381756261
But they are compensating with a whopping 7.5 damage increase!

>>381756350
I actually agree but then again I don't play shitty maps with chokepoints everywhere

>>381753896
Most pubs don't have medics and hoping to find a big med pack when being mid is risky, some maps don't even have that on the way

>>381756409
Goldrush is not THAT bad

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>>381756336
it's okay to be bad anon
you can always play overwatch

>>381756031
Dude, the razorback is a must have when spies camp the backline, what's wrong with you? Of course jarate is more fun and offensive, but that's not worth the risk when you know there are spies

>>381756350
>release day DR
>sahara set
holy fuck i had so much fun with it

>>381756523
>wait until he's scoped in
>Pew pew pew
Silly razorbacks.

>>381756523
>Dude, the razorback is a must have when spies camp the backline
lmao no it isn't
the only time you should ever charge up is for bodyshotting medics and overhealed heavies, the rest of the time you should be moving around and paying attention

>>381756523
>playing a spy without the ambassador

>>381756581
Yeah, that's the obvious counter, but most spies will just avoid me then. Next balance patch it's even gonna respawn after 30 seconds when getting hit by a knife

>>381756581
>>381756645
>he doesn't camp exclusively with a sentry or a team overlooking his spot to deter spies from two-shooting him
bad

>>381756031
The Darwin's is great for fucking over other snipers, and pissing off snipers is the only real reason to play sniper

Always funny when /v/ talks about TF2.

>>381756759
>camp exclusively with a sentry or a team overlooking his spot
Play properly like that and you don't need a razorback.

>>381755226

But I don't use the Direct Hit anon, it's so fun watching you go apeshit when I also use the Reserve Shooter when you jump around like an idiot.

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I don't even play anymore but that sandman nerf was fucking uncalled for

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>>381757354
cry about it
if you can't play scout properly then don't play him at all shitter
>but dodging and aiming at the same time is hard!!1

It becomes a gimmick against better players, compared to what you could be doing with gunboats or the conch.

Atleast as far as pubbing is concerned.

>>381753896
????? ??
shotty is for pockets

>>381757354
I already thought the Sandman was a bit on the underpowered side to begin with.
For a stun attack that can easily miss and takes a long time to recharge if you lose track of the ball, which is easy to do, you now die instantly if a soldier or demo so much as sneezes in your direction.

>Loch and Load + Sticky Jumper + Pan

Is there a better feeling just surprising snipers halfway across the map?

>Combat Mini Dispenser, a PDA replacement
>Allows you to build mini dispensers, which build twice as fast as regular but which self-destruct after dispensing a set amount of health/ammo

Y/N

>>381758698
Why not make a set of weapons to compliment the gunslinger making more combat orientated Engineer
>Dispenser replacement with Shotgun
>Teleporter replacement with Pistol

>>381758698
Maybe if you could set down more than one. Otherwise it just seems worthless.

>>381758698
It'd have to replenish a ton of health/ammo quickly to justify not just building a regular dispenser somewhere safer.
>>381758838
Also this.

>>381754182
same

>load up 2fort because I felt like sniper dueling
>see nobody from the enemy team for minutes
>get bored and try to play the objective
>turns out almost all of the enemy team were engis turtling in the intel room

We still won

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Can't wait for the buff Valve is giving the Mantreads

>Mantreads
>The second least-used item in the game. The aerial stomp mini-game is difficult, and The Gunboats are superior in most scenarios.
>Changes:
>+75% push-force reduction now includes airblast
>Added: +200% air control when blast jumping

>>381758349
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZPc2xPBSq4
The sandman has one of the faster projectile speeds in the game. A couple minutes of practicing and leading against bots and anyone who 1v1s you at medium range is at the mercy of you missing. Not even getting into the guillotine crits.

>>381759576
Basically the soldier equivalent of the Tide Turner

>don't carry a shotgun
>pyros make you their bitch

gunboats allow me to rocket jump more, which increases the fun-per-minute.

>>381759870
Pretty much

>>381759870
>don't immediately empty your clip
>pyro chimps out and starts mashing M2
>fire in between airblasts

>>381754957
>3 Shots for jumping + killing
>No Secondary
Could never get that to work, sure you barely die but you can barely kill more than one enemy before retreating.
I found the regular RL with the Conch atlot more rewarding in that sense.

Is there item in the game that brought more tears than the atomizer/croc set/mini-turret?

>>381760173
>pubstar logic
If the only weapon you have is rocket launcher, any semi-decent pyro is literally invulnerable against you.

>>381756031
>disliking the scout killing, fear inspiring Natascha>>381756139

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>>381760173
>pyro has a sixth sense for when you fire or is a skiddie with auto-reflect

>>381760254
Dead ringer

>>381760254
old natascha
old sandman

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>>381753896

I use all stock for all classes. I've even taken off my hats.

No one expects someone with no hats or weapons at all to be even remotely competent.

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>>381754037
back in the day when 2.66 ref could net you a key............................... i had 14 pages worth of refined metal when i finally decided to sell my bp last year and it was too late.

>>381760430
I think this describes Wolf well enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WHsCyEmnec

>>381760262
>semi-decent
>pyro

You almost had me.

>>381760410
This.
Some fags will get into autistic fits if you dominate them without being covered in gaudy trash like they are, to the point that they'll look up your stats/items and tell you to stop 'disguising' as a f2p.

>>381756031
>BB is in that list
DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW

>>381760850
blackbox is a crutch you noob
also say the full name cause i thought you meant the boston basher

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Can't wait to see Scouts raging over valve after the changes to the Sandman, Crit-a-cola and the Guillotine comes out

>>381753896
Jump good.

>>381761109
sandman and flying guillotine didn't deserve it

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>>381760306
Nigger I AM a scout main, natascha is a joke weapon right up there with the wrap assassin and volcano fragment. Natascha heavies are free kills. Slowing your enemies doesn't mean shit if you can't kill them before they kill you.

>>381756031
>implying Sydney Sleeper is the bad at tf2 weapon
Hat-tricks are just funner to land than headshots after a while.

>>381759870
if you're bad maybe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU1Qg1oWqz4

>>381761145
yes they did, git gud

>>381761420
>git gud
you git gud you dumb bitch, you're the one actually getting killed by a meme combo that barely works

>>381755160
There is literally no reason not to use the jag. It has a high crit ratio so damange penalty is nothing.

>>381760410
You think you're special or sometjing because I see people doing shit like that every day

Pro-tip: you're not as good as you think you are

>>381761569
An extra hit to remove sappers is pretty huge

>>381761569
I'm pretty sure they changed the jag last year and now it repairs sentries slower. It used to be objectively best though.

>>381761584
>>381761646
This weapon has 15% faster attack speed and speeds up the construction of any buildings, whether on initial setup or redeployment, upon being struck by the Engineer. As a downside, the weapon also has a 25% damage reduction, 33% damage reduction against buildings (making it remove Sappers in three hits instead of two), and 20% lower repair rate, making this wrench less effective for maintaining a base or engaging in melee combat.

Here

>>381761198
Most Nibbahs be fleein' not attacking when I ref up my Natascha

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>>381761517
>you git gud you dumb bitch
I did, I play stock scout and shit on you idiots all day long because I learned how to play the class properly instead of relying on stuns to get my kills.

I'm glad valve is finally trashing all the crutch unlocks so shitters like you who can't dm won't be able to play scout anymore. Maybe you should try picking up pyro or engie they seem more your speed.

>>381761886
literally getting this mad about a barely-functional gimmick combo

>not using gunboots
enjoy losing mid and dying to self-harm when clost-quarters spergs try to hug you to death

everyone who runs anything else than stock scout, with the exception of boston basher, is just plain bad at the class

>>381756340
>spychecking for bad heavies
Wrong.
It actually deters some spies from even attacking.

>>381761925
Why would I be mad? Now maybe I'll get to play against some decent scouts instead of watching you miss all six shots before running away and drinking bonk.

>>381761997
Learn to aim your goddamn cleaver ffs. Even Call of Duty kids can do that much.

>>381761925
>barely works
>barely functioning
https://youtu.be/dXFJSwrzcu0?t=68

just because you couldn't hit anything didn't make it less any less annoying to fight against.

>>381761958
>dying to self-harm when clost-quarters spergs try to hug you to death
Wow you're right. If only soldier had some close ranged hitscan weapon as his secondary

>>381762012
>It actually deters some spies from even attacking.
anyone who's played this game for more than 30 minutes knows you can just jump over the ring of fire

>>381761958
Did you literally just wake up from an 8 year cryo-sleep? Gunboats don't reduce self-damage from a rocket that hurt an enemy. It's been this way for ages.

>>381762219
my life is a lie

>>381762170
>anyone who's played this game for more than 30 minutes
So about 10% of spies?

>>381762170
I just use it when I'm pushing a cart since theres no downside.

>>381762062
why would i ever use such a shit weapon? it's literally useless unless you run sandman, which itself is a crutch.
learn to track with a pistol, shitter.

>>381762291
>-10% damage

>>381762219
>what is reading comprehension

>>381762332
>it's literally useless unless you run sandman
50dmg + 40dmg over a couple seconds and it's long range. Previously you got sweet minicrits, now you'll get a better cooldown.
>shitter
Please stop projecting and use some rational arguments.

>everyone runs sandman/cleaver and dr/amby nowadays to have their fun before it's over

>>381762351
That's next to nothing when you consider how much dps the minigun has. You won't be killing enemies from long range and the flames can pick up that 10% easily.

>>381762569
>50dmg + 40dmg over a couple seconds and it's long range
You can't heckle sentries with it
You can't clear stickies with it
You can't deny crit heals with it
You can't do as much damage with it
You can't finish off hurt enemies with it

>>381763332
All weapons have their downsides, ya goober.

>>381761997
A lot of aspiring players fall into the trap of always trying to make stock work, when the reality is that some unlocks are too bullshit not too use or at least have some skill with them.

Clockwork doesn't suddenly become a shitter because he decides to equip the crit-e-bola.

>>381754914
pls be my medic gf

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>>381763423
>Use some rational arguments
>Here's a list of problems with the guillotine
>No weapon is perfect who cares lol

>>381756157

>not rescue ranger, wrangler and Eureka effect

Heavy investment that leaves yourself vulnerable but damn effective once you're properly entrenched

>>381763650
Stock has the highest skill ceiling and is still very effective (on most classes)

Using crutches limits your potential. Nobody is going to argue atomizer is better than stock but if you always rely on it to dodge damage your movement will never improve. Likewise if you always use crit a cola your tracking skills will be shit and you won't have all the utility the pistol offers. Building fundamentals is important.

>>381764425
>you can't finish off hurt enemies with it
you can. The pistol, however, cannot
>Do great damage at very long range
>switching to pistol and shooting is slower than switching to guillotine and throwing
>doesn't take ammo
Don't bash it because you hate the idea of having to learn how to aim it

>>381762595
Never used them before, will not use them now.

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>>381764634
Widowmaker gunslinger here. I pound.

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>>381764828
>you can. The pistol, however, cannot
???

>Do great damage at very long range
When is this ever useful for anything other than annoying snipers.
90 damage won't kill and you're too far away to finish them off.

>switching to pistol and shooting is slower than switching to guillotine and throwing
All weapons have the same switch speed
It takes 5s plus travel time for guillotine to do full damage. Pistol does anywhere from 176 to 484 in the same amount of time.

>doesn't take ammo
No it just has an unavoidable 6s cooldown where as ammo is plentiful and easy to find.

>>381763701
Post your hat

>>381761886
>people use the meme combo out of necessity
>not just because it's fucking amusing

Good lord anon you're a complete moron.

>>381765445
meant to read as:
You can finish off enemies with the FG. The pistol cannot do good damage at long range.
FG is good at throwing at the start of a fight, before either compatent are at fightan range. Such as when you arrive at mid and there's a soldier across the way. Your scattergun will do baby damage. His rockets can't hit fast enough. You chuck a knife and bam you already have an advantage. Five seconds later you have another.

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>>381760850
>tfw almost every solider I see use the Bad Box+Conch combo

>>381765978
>The pistol cannot do good damage at long range.
If they still have so much health that you need the guillotine to kill them after 6 scattergun shots you fucked up.

>FG is good at throwing at the start of a fight. Such as when you arrive at mid and there's a soldier across the way.
This is a gimmick at best, you're unlikely to hit and it's not going to work more than once after the enemy team realizes what you're doing. The rest of the team fight you're at a disadvantage without your pistol for what? their roamer having to sit back for an extra 3s?

>Five seconds later you have another.
Six seconds

>>381755092
doesn't work in opera

>>381766804
>If they still have so much health that you need the guillotine to kill them after 6 scattergun shots you fucked up.
It's not like you necessarily need the 90 damage. If it finishes them off, then it finishes them off, right?
>you're unlikely to hit
Is that so?
>Six seconds
Soon it'll be 3.5 second.

>>381767420
>It's not like you necessarily need the 90 damage. If it finishes them off, then it finishes them off, right?
Pistol is objectively better in this regard. 12 shots and hitscan.
>Is that so?
Landing any projectile across the map is unlikely to happen.

>>381767584
shit bait
you got a tiny brain and a mini mind

>>381756031
There was nothing better than making sniper try hards rage by using the piss set. Thanks for all the memories, tf2.

>>381755846
I only use the Scattergun ever since I realized the whole point of Scout was to play like an old-school FPS. I enjoyed playing as Scout a lot more since.

>>381756261
Get a kill with the ball was so hilariously satisfying.

Over 4k hours in tf2, but I haven't played in years. Feels melancholy, man.

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>>381753896
black box and reserve shooter user

>>381758350
If I have the LnL on 2fort I like aiming up and arcing nades into snipers from across the map.

>>381760430
Why is it always the Pyro mains with this shit

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>tfw friend tries to get me into TF2

>tfw suck ass at it

>tfw because I suck ass I don't have fun

>tfw he still wants me to play with him

>>381768291
just pick engi or medic and let the good players win for you

>>381764664
>Using crutches limits your potential.
That's why the scene bans them so feverishly. Protip:It's not.

The Atomizer triple jump is optional. In no way are you ever forced to use it, or even play differently for equipping it. Your movement doesn't magically suffer just because you have an extra jump at your disposal. Your skill carries over AND you have more to work with.

I'm not implying you use any bs weapon exclusively, but in the case of two evenly matched dudes, the one who knows he can use x, y, and z, as opposed to just z might be on something.

>>381768429
Wait a minute why is the guillotine banned in 6v6? the sandman I can understand, but why the guillotine?

>>381768429
When he says potential he means your potential to get better as a player and not your potential to get some cheesy frags.

>>381768672
It's a fast moving projectile that's really hard to see coming and even harder to dodge. On top of being unfun to be hit by, spamming it through a choke point every so often doesn't add much for the spectator.

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>>381756031
I'm going to miss the crocodile crutch, annoying quickscopers was fun.

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>>381756357
>Not using it for the sole reason of making jumping Solider's drop like a rock

>>381769594
You aren't playing to win if they don't overlap at some point.

>>381770480
kys yourself

Soldier is the most boring and easy class out there. Basically a try hard class except your not trying to help the team you're trying to be the team.

Excited for the new mantreads though.
Wish they removed fall damage and upped the rooms damage.

>>381753896
I literally only play tf2 to rocket jump around the map.
Gunboats and Airstrike all day every day.
In comp you have to use the stock though because there arent enough players for air strike to be effective.

>>381755475
I use fan all the time.

It's basically then best complimentary weapon in the game. High as fuck mobility, instant reload so you don't need pistol. 200 burst damage, really strong fall off so you can harass mid range for like 50 damage.

It's possibly the most fun weapon.

>>381756220
>That feel when initial release natascha
Fucking infinite tears.

>>381756384
Only on moonshots

>>381756031
Huntsman is the hardest rifle to use.
And the most bloodpumping

why are users of australium weapons always first to ragequit

Did they remove spectating areas and sentries?

>>381754132
>matching beard and helmet for viking look
>random modern looking jacket
what are you doing with your life

Why do noobs gravitate towards CTF?

I mostly play CTF in casual and my K/D ratio is now over 14.

>>381771565
Or stopping demoknights who think they can get away

>>381761109
No Scout that wasn't a meme machine gives a shit about the changes. Any Scout worth their salt plays stock Scout, only maybe with the Atomizer. And even though that was nerfed a bit, the triple jump now not costing health will still make it see use because a third jump often gives you access to important locations a double jump doesn't get. Plus, the PBPP buff is insane.

>>381773215
Not sentries but it's complicated

This entire update

>we nerfed shit that everyone uses
>we nerfd joke weapon
>we also buffed joke weapons
>were not reverting the bison
>we listened to this one guy on Reddit that uses his broken logic to how weapons work

Let me offer a better hey change

You instantly lose max 100 up, it's now solid 200
You gain back the empty 100 when you switch off

This is far bigger nerf to heavies that get surprised but not those that are escaping or going to the battlefield.

-75 for eviction because it's actually a better gru

Seriously this GRU change is retarded, you literally spend twice as fucking long getting to the front lines because you have to wait twice as long for your health.

>>381774182
Better gru *

>>381774182
>takes 24 seconds to run to mid
>get there with 60 hp
>have to wait 24 seconds for my health to recharge

>>381753896
Shotgun is a crutch for people with no idea about ammo management.

Always use Battilions Backup, it is insanely powerful for pushes and general survaviablity.

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>>381772818
>try hard
I've yet to see anyone but friendly and trader faggots use this term, and I doubt that will change any time soon

I like to use meme loadouts to handicap myself. For Soldier I do Cow Mangler, Bison, and Freedom Staff while wearing a beard and wizard hat and pretend I'm some sort of futuristic space wizard.

>>381753985
>1,700,000 players in the last two weeks
>""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""dead""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

>>381774847
>BRs, slavs and bots
>"players"

>>381760410
ghastly gibus + primeval warrior master race

How can I play tf2 on a computer from uni? Is there a way to evade the administrator login?

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IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR

>>381774182
>give your sandvich to the medic who immediately leaves you
>100 health and out of ammo
>instantly die by switching to your gloves

>>381761145
even if it was frustrating to fight against, that combo really didn't deserve it
The only thing they could do was to reduce the stunt ability distance and the stun time for medium ranges...

>>381756956
Wrong, a Spy can backstab you solely to try and shut you down, even if it means he dies to a Sentry in the process. Only Razorback will stop him.
>>381757354
>>381758349
Wrong.
In a game like TF2 where you can die in less than a second to a backstab or hitscan, and your main counterplay is dodging, being stunned for 1-7 seconds unable to attack and barely able to move is a HUGE deal.

A nerf was warranted. I don't agree with how Valve did the nerf, I think they should straight up nerf the duration, but it was a good idea.

>>381773432
Because it's essentially Team Deathmatch.

>>381756031
How do you even play spy without the dead ringer?

>>381775296
You turn envisible and approach people from behind. But as someone who's essentially a close range fighter, you might actually die sometimes. Crazy, I know.

>>381758698
Y but needs tweaking
make it do Teleporters also, so it's more useful for offensive engies in 5CP

>>381775089
>get marked for death by switching to gloves
>the old honor bound system

Not that new
Just implement quick switch so you don't lose the health if you pass over the gloves.

>>381775296
Accept that shit sometimes happens

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>>381756220
>he didn't enjoyed Natascha when it got released

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>>381775450
Many people like the idea of teleporters being replaced with speedup panels.

>>381775450
Even better
>no entrances all teles update to current spawn position

>>381775296
You use these things called stealth and deception.

>>381775648
Imagine how fast a lvl 3 speed panel could be

>>381775727
Dr required that more than any other watch to be good.

>>381775749
And it would be a worse idea to hang around enemy spawn, because they'd get a speed advantage just by walking out.

>>381775832
DR is a retard mulligan.

>>381773798
>>we nerfed shit that everyone uses
That's generally how game balance works. If EVERYONE is using one weapon, and the class it's on isn't underpowered, then there's a problem.
>we nerfd joke weapon
Just because some weapons are a joke in the hands of pubbies doesn't make the same true in the hands of comp players. People can do ridiculous shit with BASE Jumper for example.
>were not reverting the bison
True, that is dumb on their part.
>>381774910
>reciting lies
BRs and slavs are not the problem you're making them out to be. The vast majority of TF2's playerbase is American.
Bots are 0.0000001% of players.

>>381775648
Sounds interesting, would be a lot more useful for 5CP. Imagine if Engineer could build two, he could have one at each spawn door.

>>381775675
>>no entrances all teles update to current spawn position
But then you have the problem of people being involuntarily teleported by griefer Engies into the path of an enemy Sentry.

>>381775893
In theory a YER Spy would tear shit up if he could use an enemy speed boost. Would be fun.

>>381775296
>Being this bad at this game

>>381773798
>This entire update
Too bad they didn't show us the WHOLE update, stupid dumbfuck.

>>381776120
It could work like Sumatra, or you could click a button to agree to be teled.
Like splatoon.

>>381776273
What else is there
>pyro gets buffs

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>tfw actually considering reinstalling TF2 cause OW is getting THAT stale and there's literally no other alternatives
>tfw scared all my regular old servers will be ded

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>>381775296
>there are people in this world who only use DR

>>381775296
I'm saddened by the fact people like you exist.
Your kind of spy is the most obvious to identify.

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>>381775675
>Removing the ability for people to be able to destroy an enemy Engie's entrance
Nah.

>>381753896
>381753896
playing soldier

>>381776381
That's the point, nobody fucking knows yet. Wait for the update to be released before sperging.

>>381775296
I like to hover around certain areas and use the environment to my advantage when I get spotted, basically just walk in circles.

I used to always rely on dead ringer but using stock watch has made spy much more fun for me.

>>381756031
>vita-saw
That shit is amazing don't talk shit about the vita-saw

give it to me straight doc. is valve going to do anything for TF2's 10 year anniversary?

>>381776383
So you go from a stale game to another stale game?

>>381776320
>Sumatra
I swear that's the third time I've heard that mentioned on /v/ tonight since discovering it. You're talking about the Doom mod right?
>>381776383
Go for it. Sure maybe your old servers will be dead, but the game will still be good.

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>>381776651
What else is there? Please point me in the direction of a not stale good alternative.

>>381776618
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>381776383
Yeah, OW made it painfully clear what they consider as updates. Not exactly thrilled to suffer through Summer Games and those other shitty events all over again.

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>>381776585
The taunt sound is really nice.
>>381776651
>tf2
>stale
nigga would people put 15,000 hours into a "stale" game

>>381776734
Paladins

>>381776618
give some items newfigs missed out on other occasions like the halo

>>381776618
The Pyro Update (which is going to be massive) is coming so soon before the 10 year anniversary, and Halloween is in October, so the answer is no.

Valve probably thinks we'll have enough content to handle already.

>>381776827
Tried it for 30 hours. Its actually really shallow and legitimately bad if you put any type of real time into it. Also HiRez.

>>381776818
People put many hours in OW too but it's still stale.

>tux still untradeable
I just want to get rid of it and swim in mad money, fuck you Valve

>>381776908
What makes a game "stale" exactly???

>>381776618
A hat at most. Most of the crew moved to MUH DODA.

>>381777068
Literally nothing new released for the game in many months (except cosmetics and mandatory balance updates, those don't count).

>>381777183
Talking about crew size is kind of pointless unless you're asking Valve to hire more.

TF2's team size has never been bigger than 20 since release, and it's at 15 right now. Team size is no indication about how much Valve cares about TF2 at any given time.

This update just switched eviction to being the better running fist for everything.

Like I'm doing the math and in every situation eviction is better.

>>381777183
I don't think many people work on Dota either. I'm confident the majority of people that work at valve dick around on useless projects that will go nowhere or do literally nothing.

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>>381777291
>Literally nothing new released for the game in many months
But TF2 has custom content released literally all the time. So that argument doesn't apply.
>except cosmetics and mandatory balance updates, those don't count
Why not exactly?

>>381776651
Custom content automatically means it's less stale

>>381777503
>But TF2 has custom content released literally all the time. So that argument doesn't apply.
When was the last update that added stuff that matters? Months ago.
>Why not exactly?
Because cosmetics add nothing to the gameplay and balance patches don't add new content, they just change stuff already in the game.

Both games are stale as fuck.

>>381777714
>Both games are stale as fuck.
>still not listing good alternatives

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>>381777714
>When was the last update that added stuff that matters?
Your original argument was "literally nothing new released for the game in many months". TF2 has new content released all the time. So, by your definition of "stale" before you shifted the goalposts, TF2 is not stale. End of discussion.

I just hope the ubersaw gets nerfed. Maybe just gain 15% charge per swing. It's too good right now.

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problems with tf2 classes
>Scout
has some broken as fuck unlocks
>Soldier
so versatile you never have a reason to not pick him
>Pyro
Too good against bad players when used by a bad player, too bad against good players when used by a good player, buggy, basically a worse version of every class when it comes to doing useful things
>demo
stickies are slightly too good on defense compared to their offensive capabilities. Could be fixed by making stickytraps destructible with explosives, rather than just scattering.
>heavy
Uninteresting to play as and against, low skill floor and low skill ceiling; too good on defense, too weak on offense.
>engie
Low skill floor and low skill ceiling; too good on defense, too weak on offense.
>medic
Absolutely mandatory to win, which means you're forced to play him, even if you don't enjoy it, to have a chance. Suffers from "One Viable Loadout" syndrome: Crossbow, Stock, Ubersaw are so strong that there are no other choices.
>sniper
Low-counterplay design, there's very little you can do to deal with a Sniper picking you off from long range. Balanced due to his skill requirement, but inherently unfair.
>spy
Worse version of Sniper for most intents and purposes, since he has to get into close range to do what Sniper can do from long range.
>>381778437
this

>>381778619
>stickies are slightly too good on defense compared to their offensive capabilities
On what universe is this, m8?

>>381753896
Is the Pyro update coming any time soon? I know there's only like 5 persons working on this game, but holy shit it's been a year since they announced that.

Also, what about the Heavy update after the Pyro one?

What can they actually do to make pyro
a. not be shit
b. require some semblance of skill
c. not be an annoying, airblast spamming cunt

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>>381778879
Earth.
Stickies are better on defense than they should be.

In order to have a fast-paced, exciting game like TFC and Quake Team Fortress were, with players fighting at high speed and zipping around the map (as opposed to peeking corners like a pussy for 3 minutes straight), offensive elements need to be stronger than defensive elements.
Airburst stickies are an offensive element, while stickytraps are a defensive element. Now, I'm not saying airburst stickies should be buffed, but I am saying stickytraps should be nerfed.

In their current state (small, hard to see, hard to destroy, yet capable of instant death for their victim) stickytraps are a big deterrent to exciting, offensive play. In order to ensure they don't get blown up by stickies hiding on the other side of a doorway or under a traffic cone, attacking players have to proceed slowly and with caution, which is boring.

If stickytraps were easier to detect and destroy, by being explosion vulnerable and having a 1.5x bigger hitbox and world model, they would be less negatively impacting on TF2 as a fast game.

>>381778971
If I had to guess, I'd say early July. They've told workshop people to hurry up and they did a sneak peek of some balance changes.

>>381779001
Give him something actually usefull and dangerous that isn't just burst flame damage. Make him counter projectile classes harder, like he can store projectiles now. Right click to vacuum right click again to return everything to a pinpoint location. Or hold right and press left so he doesn't have to be forced to spew them out.

Also buff after burn. Like it increases damage players take.

>>381779001
Flamethrower is now hitscan. Damage starts low and ramps up on uninterrupted tracking. So does afterburn.
Airblast works like a normal explosion push, not the momentum-cancelling wizardry it is now. You can now use it to affect your own jump like Force a nature.

>>381779001
>reduce fire particle size by 50% so Flamethrower requires more aim
>increase fire particle speed by 50% so Flamethrower rewards aim with more range
>make airblasts knock back the Pyro while it's jumping so it can do "airblast jumps", allowing skilled players to move around quickly, reach ambush spots, or get into range to attack
>nerf the pushback/reflect hitbox of the airblast a little bit
>buff afterburn from 6DPS to 8DPS (same as huo-long heater's afterburn) so it's not such a joke

that should satisfy requirements A B and C

>>381753896
nigger im gonna use those beautifully buffed mantreads when the update hits

>>381756804
Not anymore
>Snipers using this item had an advantage against Snipers who weren't. As a result, players felt like they were required to equip this item in order to be competitive.
>Goal: Remove the increased survivability against enemy Snipers (which invalidates the existing design).
>New design:
>Counter ranged burn attacks (e.g. flares), and strengthen melee fights vs Pyros
>Afterburn immunity
>+50% fire resist

>>381779752
Afterburn Immunity is pretty huge. You can't be harrassed by Pyros flaring you who want to stop you from getting headshots reliably. I love the change.

>>381779583
>Damage starts low and ramps up on uninterrupted tracking. So does afterburn
This is a bad idea for 2 reasons.

1: With that suggestion, Pyro is now even weaker against Scout. Right now Scout can kill Pyro first at any range, long to close. He can easily stay completely out of Pyro's primary range by holding W, and if he does get set on fire, he can run right to a health pack or throw Milk or drink Bonk. With now requiring Pyro to hold the attack on Scout even longer to get any sort of damage, Pyro will be at a complete and utter disadvantage.

2: With that suggestion, Pyro loses yet another gameplay role with its already vague class identity, since being able to easily light invisible Spies on fire is the only thing stopping Pyro being a worse spychecker than Scout and Heavy. Not only is Spy 7% faster than Pyro, able to headshot Pyro. 20% resistant to DoTs while cloaked, and able to become afterburn immune with DR or Spycicle or Kunai, but now he gets even less afterburn damage, too, making Pyro totally irrelevant as a counter.

So that's why damage rampup is a bad idea. Just leave it as a flat value.

>>381779502
>Make him counter projectile classes harder, like he can store projectiles now
That's pretty pointless, as good players already know to use Shotgun or stickies to deal with Pyro. It's not going to make Pyro more useful against good players, it's only going to affect bad players, and the last thing Pyro needs is to be more effective against bad players.

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What if we let pyro's flamethrowers always minicrit on overhealed targets? He could find a nieche as an anti-medic thing, not just anti-uber.

>>381780231
I'd prefer to have no more minicrits tacked onto pyro, they don't seem to really fix the core problem of the class.

Pyro's core issue is that it can't get in range to attack good players with its Flamethrower before it gets shot down. Good players know to press S to escape Flamethrower's range. Bad players do not.

So any buff you make to Pyro's Flamethrower for which the counterplay is "hold S" is just going to increase the current negative situation of Pyro: that it's too good against bad players and too bad against good players.

For example, generic competitive match. Pyro runs at the enemy team with its Flamethrower out, hoping to get some minicrits on overhealed players. Scouts shred it to pieces with Scattergun before it gets anywhere near anyone.

What Pyro needs is range, non-situational damage, and mobility.

>>381753896
Someone on /v/ recommended the shotty instead of gunboats so I tried it for a few weeks. It's good but you have to rocket jump more situationally depending on if there's healthpacks nearby for example.

I went back to gunboats because rocketjumping is so useful.

>>381780516
>What Pyro needs is range, non-situational damage, and mobility.
And the big problem with this is that Pyro also needs to be "not just another scout"

How should Pyro's flamethrower work in your opinion?
A. Particle-based like it is now
B. Hitscan with limited range
C. Rapid arcing projectiles like syringe gun

>>381780830
So long as you have a range capped pass-through primary, a DoT mechanic, 175HP, a built in secondary knockback/extinguish/reflect, don't move at 133% speed, don't have reload times, don't have a Pistol, have more melee damage with a lower swingspeed, and are fireproof, you're not "just another scout".

That's like calling Soldier "just another Demo".

>>381781049
A ideally if they can make it work better, but B is totally acceptable. C is full retard tier, Flamethrower is aerosol-based and aerosol flames don't arc downwards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwjdC2rdnlE

>>381781049
B, so that Flamethrower will be more of a successor to the Quake Lightning Gun.

>>381753896
4 rockets are enough to kill everything that moves

>>381777057
this

Conch is such an ugly piece of shit unfitting to almost anything soldier has. Skin when?

>>381782106
Why are you using that piece 'o' garbo?

>>381782569
Because pub medics are usually not around and it's good to have a passive healing source that doesn't take away your 4th rocket.

>>381767379
yes it does
Source: I'm using opera

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I mean, is it really so bad that pyro isn't 100% on par with the other direct combat classes?

Heavy doesn't see as much mileage as the more utilitarian Soldier, Demo or Scout but he still thrives in his niche.

He's not supposed to be a duelist without peer like the Soldier, or have the raw burst damage potential of Scout or Demoman. Or tank and tear through enemies like paper like the Heavy.

If there's anything this update with all its patches, it's reaffirming the 9 classes' roles, with things like attempting to restrict Spys sniping people in sniper range with the Ambassador.

Tracking spies, and wading into the fray alongside allies to dash around and burn and soften up the front line, closing the distance in heated skirmishes and wreaking havoc? I think that's a good place for pyro.

>>381782943
>I mean, is it really so bad that pyro isn't 100% on par with the other direct combat classes?
Let's put that question the other way: What would be so bad about putting Pyro on par with the other direct combat classes if we could do it in a skillful, balanced way?
>Heavy doesn't see as much mileage as the more utilitarian Soldier, Demo or Scout but he still thrives in his niche.
Heavy is a failure in his own right. He's not fun to play as for more than a small percentage of players, and he's not fun to play against, as a slow-moving damage sponge with a high DPS hitscan weapon.
>I think that's a good place for pyro
It's not a good place for Pyro because none of those roles are actually useful.
Where Pyro tracks Spies, anyone else can track the second worst class in the game too.
Where Pyro "wades into the fray", other classes shoot using their guns from a safe distance, and actually get results without having to wait to get in range.

Pyro has average damage, average mobility, average HP, and the worst primary range in the game: It excels at nothing statistically, as well as being the worst at something. It's gimped against anyone who knows how to press S, and a nightmare for newbies who don't. That's why it's in need of reworking.

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>>381756031
>Vita Saw
I like using it...