I know this is a meme but Why are games so heavily downgraded

>>381747559
Because they market and sell the games with these seemingly cutting edge graphics, huge living and vibrant worlds, near limitless possibilities and stellar action and sequences, but consoles, and even PCs, can't handle any of those promises, so what you're left with is a shallow experience with cut corners and down graded graphics that have boring set piece moments and repetitive mechanics

>>381747559

You know why. They make the video game look like a movie by adding post processing effects and other kind of crap.

>>381747559
Artists make 1 set of assets. Early in development they think it'll work, but once actual programmers get their hands on it they usually knock it back to reality. A really famous example is Bioshock Infinite, where at E3 the programmer outright told the team they knew it would never have worked to begin with. Years later in an interview someone spilled those beans

>>381747559
To trick stupid people into buying it.

>>381747559
I don't remember the right one. ever.

>>381747910
yeah but those are usually much earlier, at press events like e3 and the average consumer doesn't watch/care about that. so they're really doing it for no good reason. that's why I was surprised when they unveiled fallout 4 and there was no bullshit. it just showed how the game actually looked. kind of refreshing.

>>381747559
>Down graded
What they show isn't actual quality, just marketing. So long as they say it's nothing more than a work in progress and shit will change, they are safe.

>>381747559
The only reason it would ever even look close to the left shot is if you cranked the graphics options to their absolutely lowest.

>I know this is a meme but

>>381748045
let's be honest with ourselves here there aren't too many developers out there can match up to Godd Howard and his games

>>381747559
The E3 demos might be prerendered, or if not, they are still running the game on a fucking beast rig, but home PC's and consoles won't be able to run the games looking like that.

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>>381747559
>downgrade
The right looks better than the left though

devs never get to code the base game on a console devkit, they always only port it later and drowgrade stuff so it only drops to silk smooth cinematic 20 fps.
since its part of their contract to release pc versions equal to console ones, they are forced to dorwngrade everything.

>>381748045
Granted, FO4 looks like pretty awful.

>>381748238
exactly, but at least they didn't lie to you.

or do you like being lied to?

>>381747559
this is not downgrade. is statemnt that better the device for to play it on, is better representation of origin intent: that is white man is evil

>>381748226
It's only going to keep getting worse from now. Since developers still have to work with the old XBone/PS4 instead of their shill editions, we're still stuck with 2012 hardware well into a new generation.

VR tries to push the envelope of getting people on board with more modern hardware, but the price-gate hurts normies too much to bother.

are you telling me that the prerendered movies they use to hype the game don't accurately reflect what the game looks like!?

my mind is blown

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>>381748423
you missed the point of the thread retard

>>381748309
Well, it's not too refreshing to me to be shown a bad looking game that stays bad. I also don't like being lied to.

>>381748045
That's because Fallout sells itself and Todd doesn't have to bullshit about graphics, he just has to show that the game just works and everybody besides /v/ and rpg codex will cum all over it.

Also anybody surprised at how honest Ubi was this year? Both Asscreed and Farcry didn't have flashy scripted demos and just showed the games playing how you'd expect them to. Farcry looks okay, Asscreed looks like garbage, nothing to hide really.

Platform equality, they downgrade everything to near console levels so niggers don't start rioting and looting

>>381748654
hurrrr durrrrr deys taked away muh background mountains durr!!!

so fucking what?! you don't need constant details every second. I wish you PCMASTERFAGS would fuck off already!

>>381748968
I dunno, aren't console versions of games just low-mid spec in PC terms? Even then if you have a shitty PC you can usually make them look better than the console version by tweaking settings.

>>381748309
>they didn't lie to you
>bethesda

>>381747559
I'm assuming most of the thread is just angry kids who know nothing about the behind-the-scenes side of the industry, so I'll give the real answer.

What you see at E3 is a completely separate entity from the final game. It's a slice which has been separated and then groomed as it's own product.

I'll use a food pun, since that's what we do here. Imagine you're part of a team working on a pizza. You've got your base and some sauce, but you need to show your progress to potential customers and the current product isn't very impressive. So instead of working on the entire pizza, you cut out one slice and put all your manpower into that. You hammer it with all your best ingredients and show it off. Problem is, you find that you don't have enough of those ingredients. So rather than giving that treatment to the entire pizza, you have to skimp in some areas.

>>381749892
I understand.

So they build a demo and make it look great, jack off the rest of development because people will buy it anyway

>>381749892

>food pun

It's called a food analogy you retard and you still managed to get it wrong.

>>381749297
The mountains are in the final product, you inbred fucking retard.

The pic on thr left is the trailer. The one on the right is the final product. Take a second fucking look. I can't believe how fucking stupid you fucking are, kid.

>>381747559
Downgraded would imply that at some stage they looked as good as advertised. This isnt the case.
Its not downgrading, its false advertising, behind the small font shield of "beta footage may not represent final product".

Downgrade for consoles

>>381750625
>calls me inbreed retard
>cant spell "the" (thr)
You're the incestuous simpleton. Fuck you I'm pulling your IP for that

>>381747559
Developers have started to realize that the quality of their product matters very little in terms of sales. And that even the biggest piece of shit can be sold if its marketed well enough.

Blizzard have been the ones to really take this concept and run with it. They make extensive use of social media and twitch/youtube celebs to build hype for their upcoming releases. Take hearthstone for example. Was shilled to oblivion by twitch streamers who were the only ones allowed to their super secret special snowflake beta. It made all the retards want it after watching the cool kids "have fun" with it for several months. Hearthstone itself costed almost nothing to make as far as budget goes, its a mobile game. But its literally a cash cow, all because of marketing.

>>381747559
I cant tell which is which they both look like shit in different ways.

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It will NEVER be okay.

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>>381748162
>/v/ is unironically praising todd howard now

>>381751182
I'm playing it on ultra and seens the same to me, 2013 image looks crispier and darker, 2015 just have more colors.

>>381748217
the left is the downgrade my nig

>>381751680
Do you not see the 50x amount of NPCs and the ridiculous draw distance in the 2013 version?

>>381751182
it's weird, the 2013 shot looks like Witcher 2

>>381751680
>The same
Texture quality is vastly lower, lighting is definitely night and day drastically different, 2015 distance is blurred and even more low res, foliage is worse than Oblivion tier.

Yeah, no. Witcher 3 got visually gutted.

They make the games on PC, once they are done they compile a console build and test it only to find out that it runs bad and stutters, so they have to downgrade it a bit to get it running on all platforms.

Also, companies like Ubisoft use pre-rendered bullshots and fake videos to get more hype around their games.

>>381749892
Thats a shit analogy


t. pizza cook

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>>381747559
they both looks bad but in different ways. you wouldnt be able to tell the difference if they werent right next to each other

>>381748162
i hope you being ironic.

>>381752514
>That fake rainbow six siege E3 reveal
>ACTUAL GAMERS COMMUNICATING
>Asscreed replaying the video

It's only going to bite them in the ass the more they downgrade and try to guise actually having graphics

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>>381748309

>>381752769
The mass market of normies won't even see the difference.

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It's called "all advertising ever".

Have you ever had a big mac that looked like this?

>>381747559

Why is the good one on the right, it should be on the left. Stop this confusing shit.

>>381747559

Marketing, advertising and pre-orders

>>381747559
The Siege shown at E3 2014 was an actual playable thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiDtnePSBdU

>>381748654
left is running on a PC
right is running on a netbook

>>381747559
You realize that the limitation to better graphics is hardware that could render it in real time right? What are you, 12?

>>381752930
/v/ - Food Analogies

>>381753574
they're asking WHY they show stuff that can't be rendered in real time on current hardware then downgrade it you fucking humongous mong.

>>381753726
To make it look better for marketing purposes? Is it not obvious?

>>381751793
Fuck off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPVbzkId_Tg

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>>381750912
Nice.

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>>381747559
just thought this article does a good job explainin a few things.
http://kotaku.com/the-real-stories-behind-e3-s-glossy-game-demos-1710169104

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>>381754248
>kotaku

>>381747559

Dont forget the "this is pre-pre-alpha footage" slapped on the pre-rendered bullshot footage to fuck you over even more.

>>381747559
It's called a vertical slice. Think of it as one step up from concept art.

It's a moving concept. A visualised idea of what the creator/publisher wants from the game that's used for marketing. Unfortunately what they want from the game is often unrealistic.

>>381752930
I have, it was delicious

>>381754023

Nigga Far Cry 3 is literally downgraded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqnAbRpyqfI

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>>381747559
Because you're an easily manipulated normalfag cunt who pre orders games.

The very fact you even watch E3 proves as such OP. You enable this very industry so don't complain about it.

>>381752736
Yeah, guy obviously hasn't come near a pizza being made in his life, let alone made one. It's not even a difficult concept, there's no analogy needed.

>>381752930
No, but I've seen a Big Mac that had everything on it that picture shows. AKA every one I've ever eaten.

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>>381754868
By far the worst shit they ever pulled. An area that looks as organic as left, and naturally shaded from foliage obstructing world lighting and not from pre-baked lighting, is something I haven't seen in a game, ever.

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>>381752514
I see this a lot and it's wrong. There is no such thing as "PC". What you mean is "high end PC".

>>381756330
You must be fun at parties.

because consoles exist, and people are generally too poor too afford rigs that can run the best engines (and they don't market it on pc)

you can't sell a good looking game and a computer or console that can only run games from the day the console was released (console releases on [ex:] 2002, game released on 2006 has to downgrade so it can run on a 2002 console)

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>>381747559
Performance mainly, increasing performance is the last stage of game creation.

When a model is too complex it lowers fps, when you use huge image maps with lots of detail it lowers fps.

A leader of a project has to take the work his modelers and artists create and decide if the quality is worth the fps drop. Usually they make them cut poly count down or make the image maps smaller resolutions to get better performance.

>>381756583
>durrr durrr consoles.

They are plenty of games which weren't downgraded : Doom, Battlefield, Battlefront, etc.

>>381747559
Most pc gamers are stupid faggots is why.

If you give them over the top graphics options, they will put everything on Ultra and then bitch because it runs at 55 fps. So although you think it's ok to add lots of cool stuff and allow people to turn it on and off they wont, they will turn it all on and bitch instead. You even see people with shitty computers bitching that an AAA 2016 game runs at 40 fps on their machine, like it's the games fault.

So at the end of development some guy comes in and drops the reality checks and they remove stuff that looks nice but will cause a shitstorm on the steam forums.

>>381757207
>like it's the games fault
It is 100% ABSOLUTELY the game's fault, what are you on about?

>>381757207
That is entirely what is not happening.

>>381757328
>give gamers over the top options that will cause fps drops but give amazing visuals
>if you want to use it, do so at your own choice but it will hurt fps
>gamers turn it on and expect max fps still
>bitch on steam forums, hurt sales
"I have a 1080gtx I should be able to run everything that exists in the universe!"
>they can't, they're stupid and you can't reason with these people so they just remove the stuff you will misuse in order to not damage sales with outrage posts about 59 fps

>>381757207
>>381757647
>devs put literally no effort into optimizing things and port it without remaking it from the ground up for the platform it's launching on
>it's not their fault

>>381748423
A lot of normies believe it is gameplay reflective for some reason and end up buying into it causing the scene to never change that's the problem